J.T. (Ancient Angels movie)

kind of their introduction. And I was pretty fascinated, because I said, I always heard like, in the periphery that like, there's something strange about the pyramids, but like, as someone who didn't care about history class too much and, and just like, well, they look kind of easy to build them and look at them. And they're just big triangles. It's like, what could we possibly be hard about that? Like, why would aliens need to

do it? And then you're like, but then when they actually showed the details of like, the stones, there's like, I think there's 2 million stones or 2.5 million stones in the Great Pyramid. And then they're two and a half tonnes apiece. And then they're trying to, you know, so then they're kind of clowning on, like the mainstream narrative.

And then they start showing pyramids all around the world, like things in Peru and, you know, just in Mexico, and you're like, wait a minute, this is sort of weird, like, like, these things are all over the place. And I think that's what you'd like, as a, everybody knows about the Great Pyramids. But then when you start find out there's megaliths everywhere, you're like, this is this is kind of intriguing, like, like, what is it all this mean? And like I said, I really feel

You know, you go to China, they look different. So everybody's kind of got the same kind of idea, but they have their own cultural take to it. And that's kind of what you see with the pyramids. They're like, is it possible that this is the connectivity that there was this last civilization and went around the world. And, and I think I said as somebody who grew up in the church, obviously, we never talked about that kind of stuff. I mean, I

didn't believe in aliens. But then you're just like, but what does this mean? Because it's kind of like a lot of this stuff looks like it's way older than the biblical text. So like, what is this mean? As far as my fate goes? And I think that, like, I had to wrestle with that for a while, like, what did it like? How did this happen? And I think to me, I think I, I enjoyed the mystery of the topic, more than more so than, like, the ridiculousness of everything's

good perhaps. Is it aliens? You know, like, I didn't always believe in that.

difficult. So how did they do it back then? It does definitely raise a question for sure.

things with less technology. Now you're talking about these people did things that we don't even know how they could do it. We don't even know how we could do it today. And they had no tools. So they weren't just smart. They were obviously very smart. Or maybe they did have tools and maybe they were real smart too. Because they lift

elevated. So like, how would they possibly get that? And then yeah, then there's a stone in the quarry that it's still attached to the bedrock, but it's like, cut out and foresaw you know, three sides. Same thing. There's like an Egypt there's an obelisk it's like, absolutely massive. And it's cut on three sides, but it's still attached the bedrock, you know, like, we would never do anything like that. Obviously, you would cut you would get a big big as soon as you can handle and then

you would go shape it later. I mean, their shape and in the ground. I mean, like, it's it's, I mean, it's bizarre. Yeah, with

just think about this. Okay, so sometimes we say it would be it would be hard even today. Well, I'm saying it's more than hard. Because the funny thing about these tombs like these, these boxes, it's in a super confined space. And it's like, how did they get them in there? Like, it doesn't even make sense. It almost feels like somebody had to lift off the bed, you know, like the layer of the ground and then dropped lower them in because they don't look like

they could maneuver them. And then so when they finally said when modern archaeologists tried to get in them, they couldn't lift the lids. So they use dynamite to blow a hole in, in, in, in the boxes. And so you're like, okay, so who's the caveman here? The one person you couldn't get the lid on? I mean, they just couldn't lift the lid because probably it's too difficult in that confined space. But obviously those people put them all in there. I mean, that's, like I said, it's

it's, it boggles the mind. I think that's, and I've pushed back against that a little bit lately, because a lot of people say, yep, that would be very difficult by today's standards. So it's like, it's more than difficult because I'm not saying it's impossible, but I'm saying that many things they do. We don't do because we can't. Obviously, it's unfeasible like financially, we don't have the craftsmen to do it. So it's like So could we do those things today? I think there's many

things that we can't. And the proof is that we don't, guys, because obviously, imagine if you could build your house at these massive stones that don't need mortar, you'd probably do it because it looks awesome. And obviously, it's built to last because these things have lasted 1000s of years. But we don't we use little wee little like little bricks. And we stick them together with some kind of mud. And we're, and we're the smart ones. I don't know.

So if you think about it to like, these things are like align, like to the cardinal directions, like some of them are like within, like very small, like margins of true north. And then then just imagine you're taking stones that aren't the same size. And then you're making them level. Like you mean, like, you know how difficult that's like it sounds. I mean, obviously, I have a bit of a construction background. My family owns a small commercial construction

business. It's It's insane. And I said obviously I find a lot of laughable when they just say, well, they just got a lot of guys to do it, or they got like slaves to do it. And you're just like, oh, that's, that makes it easy. I'm just gonna go like, build the Empire State Building. I guess I could just go grab any 10 Guys I want and we'll just go get started. Or maybe like you need you need people who know

what the heck they're doing. I mean, that's, I mean, it's like said, it's so so boggles the mind. But I think it's some people don't even understand like, even if you think about like, the logistics of like, okay, so you say you did get this massive amount of people? Well, you gotta feed them to do you gotta put them someplace. You know, like, right now to get these things

things. Like, we're just because you didn't find tools next to the building you found doesn't mean they didn't use tools, because it's like, you know, in construction, we usually take our tools away after the job's done, we don't leave them around, you know, like, we don't let leave them lying around. So at the same time, you could imagine, as cultures kind of like congregate around certain kinds of areas. Well, generations are going to come

and go. And just because you found tools later, I mean, obviously could find very old tools. They don't mean they were old enough to build the structures. I mean, just because you built your house next to the Washington Monument doesn't mean they're contemporary, you know, so whatever you used to build the house wasn't the same thing

was used to build that. And so you go back into the Serapeum, where you have these super, like, almost like laser precision, granite polish, and you like these unbelievably made boxes. And then what you have on there, you have these hieroglyphs that look like they were scratched on you've ever seen this? Like the some of the highlights were like, they're not even straight. Okay, so you're telling me the people who could polish the granite and make these things like completely 90 degree angles?

Couldn't you know couldn't stencil something on them? So what I'm saying is I think that the dynastic Egyptians, they found the stuff in ancient Egypt and that's why they said the Egyptians X even still talked about a time called Zip Tapi, which was the first time you know so like all these all these ancient cultures had this, this sort of this time before. So they were even talking about ancient times when these people

are ancient to us. So they were talking about a time before and like, that's what I said obviously, biblically, I'm like, I think I know what they're talking about. They're talking about the time before the flood. And that's why like, that's why this is not necessarily answer to how, but it's answer to why we don't know. Because all these separate cultures have speak of this, this cataclysm ship the whole world up. And then it's like, and then all we have is like these remnants of this,

this this former world. But that's it.

to the Great Pyramids. And I think a lot of people would just take it at its face value like, well, obviously, there's a ton of concrete and well, I mean, obviously more than tons of concrete in Hoover Dam. And it's along the lines of a massive monument that man created. But it isn't an interesting because like, when you do build things that are like you think about the pyramids are so dense, you know, it's like you build this massive thing. It's like, like the amount of space to get

inside of it's very small. You know, like, it does seem likely that it was made for something else. And like that they're they make it's like limestone on the outside. It's got these, these tunnels of grain and on the inside. And it's got these shafts that kind of point up and it's almost like, is it? Yeah, I've wondered that too, where it's like you have this like one room here. Is it possible there was some kind of machine in there some kind of a turbine, some kind of a thing? They got

moved some kind of way? I mean, I think that's, I think I, I think that that's certainly possible. And I think they like when they say these things are aligned based on like, you know, significant places on earth. Possibly, I think like guides, like tests, Nikola Tesla believed in, like the 369 stuff in the pyramids in the alignments of like, like, I think the 30 Something degree, you know, parallel. And it was like there was some kind of magnetic thing about this place.

I mean, so like, if you really think about obviously, there's we know, there's like electricity, like in the air all the time, magnetism. I mean, if somebody if they had figured out how to harness that, then, then yeah, I mean, it makes sense. Like, that could be what they were for, because also, it makes sense that, again, this might answer some of the questions on how we don't we don't know how they did things. You know, oh, they didn't have electricity?

Well, I didn't even say it's interesting when you go through, like some of these, these underground places, and there's no like sitting or anything, you know, like, they can't find any kind of evidence that like, you know, you would have torches burning all the time, because they have no light bulbs. Right. And it but in some of these tunnels, they go down and there's like, they're saying it's, there's not enough oxygen for fire to even work down there. Because it wouldn't be

you couldn't even light it. So like, likely they had it's likely they had something else.

do they go? But the more I've done, like research and stuff, you know, like the they do believe in as above, so below, so I think it's very likely that there's lots of stuff under them. And the real question is, have we explored all the places? Probably not, but I bet you, I bet you people have explored a lot more than they've ever told us they have. And that's what I think that's what I said, like, as a guy who has become, you know, pretty conspiratorial.

Like, if you think about, like, all the mystery school stuff, is guys throwing up the pyramid, right? They're always doing this stuff covered up, shown in the one iforest It's almost like we've got this secret knowledge that you guys don't have. And I think that's like, I think that does go back to like, the pyramids. I think that's why like, the mainstream explanations of these things are just so mean if you think about him for like, five seconds you

like. So like, so the real question is, probably said, just you ever seen like, like Indiana Jones, like Raiders, the Lost Ark? Oh, yeah. You know, the very end of the very end of the movie, they get the Ark back. And what does the US government do? They just put in

1000 years. You know, they were going around getting things that were spiritually significant, possibly, not the crazy thing you find out, like the Romans have had knowledge that we still don't know about, like you ever heard, like, I was watching a show recently, they were talking about, like, the I think it was in the Parthenon, they had like this concrete dome. That was the long it was like the biggest span of like a concrete dome until like the 1900s. And you're

like, so. So they were saying that the Romans concrete was actually more solid than than ours. And they said, I noticed, they were literally saying recently, like a modern contractor was figuring out how they did things. And they started, they started doing that. And it's almost like, how did the Romans have the knowledge of concrete better than we have today? You know, so like, there's so again, like, there's this, there's this

mystery knowledge. And so, back to what I was gonna say, is that, like the Indian, the Raiders Lost Ark thing. Just imagine if they found some machine, some ancient machine, or like, let's get completely nuts, like some kind of some kind of a flying craft. Do you think that they would tell us? No, I don't trust them. No, that's I mean, I don't, I don't

think they to that. I don't think they would tell us because if you really think about it, if they found if they found something like that, it would shatter every textbook you've ever got you ever had. Everything they taught you in school be a lie, if they had something like that, or do something that proves like one of the spiritual texts, obviously, like the Bible was

true. Like, that's why that's why in the movie, the Ark is put up way Oh, no, no, no. Because obviously, if the public knew about that, how much different when people act? And it's like, they're trying to control people, so they really wouldn't want to, they don't want to up and everyone's world like that.

more than what you can see. I mean, I'm like, obviously, I think most people are kind of coming to that conclusion now where like, just because you don't know about something doesn't mean it's not true. And but they want you they want you so confined to this this box they've created in like, basically, they make you a little worker bee, and then you go work and then eventually

could retire. And But yeah, if he find out well, I mean, if you found out tomorrow that that aliens built the pyramids, you might actually say, you know, you might actually think the way things are going or if he found out like that the angels and Giants helped do it. Like what would you what would that do for your your worldview?

I mean, it appears to be it could be faked by the Chinese or even our government. But there's some sort of thing flying on a fighter jet is capturing it. What is that thing?

is actually aliens. It was like, but they were describing things that came from the heavens and I think that when you hit when you hear about like the Anunnaki so the on this In the ancient Sumerian texts, there's these beings that came from the heavens, or things that guy Zacharias stitching said they came from Nibiru was some other planet. Well, like there was a, like a pretty good biblical

scholar named Michael Heizer. He ripped he ripped Zechariah Sitchin apart by saying, There's not one reference to them coming from another planet. So all these all these, these ancient peoples talk about things from the heavens, you know, so again, so obviously, that lines with every other basically spiritual text, that things came down from the heavens. And then they gave me some kind of technology. And then eventually, they talked

about giants. And I said, obviously, that lines right up with what the Bible says it talks in lines up with like, first Enoch says, and you're like, like, just just think about it for one second. If you met a beam that came down from the heavens or some other place, wouldn't you have a better reference point, then the people today, the people that were the 1000s of years later, so like, isn't it more honest, just to say, Well, we really don't know

what they were. But obviously, they were, they were a higher intelligence, they were a higher level of being and we were, they were smarter. And like I said, you, if you want to call it an alien, I want to call it a god. Like, we're kind of it that's kind of semantics, isn't it?

Atlantis. And so this is this is not like the super, like, you know, fantasy version of Atlanta. This is just what Plato said. Plato said, The Poseidon found a city. He basically had, like a, like a, like a wife of somebody who is just a regular human. And he, he, he had 10 sons. So you think about it like so he had 10 Different sons with their partly obviously, he's like, Poseidon is the sea god, he's like, Oh, God, he has this

race of, of demigods. They're the princess of Atlantis, and said, This place became very advanced. But eventually, he said, The Divine Spirit dwindled in Atlantis, and it became very corrupt. And then the other gods, I think, Zeus and some of the other gods decided need to

be judged by a flood. And so you think about it, like, that's literally the story of what it says right before the flood in Genesis six is that the sons of God came down and had wives of the daughters of men and a boar, shield the children to them, and they were called the Nephilim. They were giants. They were the heroes of all the men of renown. And said, like, that's literally the same story where it's like, these angels came down and had, right, they create a race of

hybrids. And eventually, they got very corrupt. And then God decided to start over again, with people who were

pure in his generations. And if you think about it, generations back to like, Adam. So when it's like, literally, it's like, this is a very short amount of time, the Bible is going through that the sons of God who are biblically, angels, are divine beings. Could you think about sons of God, they'd like direct creations of God. And they had sex with the daughters of men. So they had sex with regular women. They created this hybrid race and then gets into No, and it says, No, it was pure in his

generations. And it said, and God saved him and his family, so when they restart repopulated the earth again. They weren't starting with people who weren't really human.

sizes of of these giants? Like? Are they all kind of? Are you just showing the B roll of the guy from the 1920s? To kind of give a little bit of an idea? Is that related to the Giants or flies?

that. So the demigods, and for the Greeks, they weren't all described as being, like, huge, you know, like, obviously, Hercules, but you can imagine he was a big strong guy, I don't think it really says that he was like, a giant, you know, like a lot of the gods weren't described as being super tall.

But what I basically what I believe in this, you know, this, obviously, this is the theory was that before the flood, you could imagine there'll be a lot more intermingling between, like, you know, in the Book of Enoch could give some more clarity to this, there was a 200 watcher, angels came down, they all did this thing. And seemed like they were probably having sons, like, how many? How many? How many offspring they had that were partially divine? We don't know, if the Bible does say that

happened before. And afterwards? No, I think likely it was, there might have been a smaller incursion. And so it might be after the flood, you have like, beings like Goliath, who was described as nine feet tall. And maybe it was because you imagine, like he's getting, you're getting a little further away from the Divine lineage. Like, obviously, people are

still procreating. You know, like, the less less you have it happen, the further away from the from, like the, you know, the Son of God, who was like the ultimate, like, you know, patriarch of the father, you know, patriarch of the, of the family, but you could think before the flood, there's lots of giants, and maybe they're procreating together. And then possibly, you're getting a lot more, you know, genetic

abnormalities. And you could have, like, you know, in some some cases, they start talking about giants who are like 20 feet tall, 15 feet tall. In the even in the Bible talks about this is after the flood, there was a king hog that like Moses and Israelites killed. And his bed was, I mean, they don't really say how tall he was. But they said his bed was six and a half feet wide, by 13 and a half feet long. So how big was he? I mean, like,

have been debunked. And they said, Oh, no, no, no, this was a woolly mammoth, which I'm like, how do you mistake a woolly mammoth for human like, it's not even close. There's tusks. And so I find that interesting. But if you look on Wikipedia, even you can see there's these examples of giants bones that they found. And there's different various explanations

for this. But there was a it was very common in the, like, the early or the 1800s and early 1900s of all these news articles of giant human bones being found, yeah, it was really fascinating to me and I, again, it could be debunked, that could have been a mistake. But there was a lot of those articles that came out, it was very common.

civilizations. And so this is a place in Mexico called Cholula. And actually, they say it's, I forget how many times bigger it is than the Great Pyramid. It's like, it's not as tall but it's like the base of it is massive. And so it's actually all covered under dirt and what you find out that like a lot of the pyramids before they actually discovered them. Like they were like, especially in Mexico, they were under dirt and grass and trees

and everything. So they literally built all these things up and it gets you get back to the Catholic Stuff. They built a Catholic church at the top of this place

energy conductor. But is it possible to that these plays were obviously significant in some kind of way, spiritually, you know, I, I've often, you know, thought that it's possible that what pyramids kind of are they're kind of manmade mountains. And if you think about like, like mountains are typically associated with

certain deities. So if you imagine if you had partially divine, you know, part man, part Angel, is it possible that he would build his own mountain, almost like a like a Nimrod situation like a tower of Babel, to ascend up and have my own mount? But anyways, so it's interesting. So in Graham Hancock was saying this course and I said, I find this laughable is that he says, so the Aztecs again, so the Aztecs don't take credit for building this stuff. They say, Giants did

it. So they literally tell Graham Hancock, where they tell, they tell the contested doors, the giant said it and eventually, the sky, God judged them, you're basically killed with a big flood. And you're like, Okay, so. So this is not that, you know, that that story is not that long ago, because you think about the conquest of like the Spanish into Mexico. They're telling this story, you know, like it's, and then you then you find out later it was like, it's almost like the

dinosaur thing. It's, it's been the dinosaur thing is like the cover to cover up like the, you know, the Giants. Because I think he said, their original dinosaur. The first dinosaur bone they ever said they found was this guy named Robert clot. And he, I think he found it like the late 1500s. Well, he didn't

think it was a dinosaur bone. At first, he hypothesized that it was a an elephant that the Romans might have had someplace, like around where they were, but then he thought it was a femur bone to an elephant, he said, but he thought it was a little bit small. So his ultimate conclusion was that it was a giant, it was a femur of a giant humanoid. And then so years later, same Oxford University. One guy says, oh, no, this is a

dinosaur bone. And then, but then the funny part is that bones, they don't have the bone anymore. Like witnessing. And it's like a lot of the Islamic stuff with the Smithsonian, where they say that there was giant bones. The Smithsonian goes in there, and now all sudden, there's no evidence that the bones ever existed. So I mean, I think that

And then, and then it's like, and it's kind of like, you know, you could think about like, like creating a straw man to knock that down. And then to dismiss, dismiss everything. It's kind of like, it's kind of like, imagine if somebody did see your real alien. And then they say, what they do is they create a straw man by they bring some crazy person out there, then it debunk that, and they'll say, all these people are

Air Force there. And it was in some kind of way that the commander was kind of like leading kind of given credibility terms, like fuel on the fire a little bit, that there was something to it when, for years, the government dismissed the UFO phenomenon, like full like, fully. Right and, but so what was what he his hypothesis was, and I think this is mine. Is that a lot of the UFO stuff, you think about it?

So in World War Two, a lot of the Allied pilots talked about Foo Fighters over, you know, over like Germany, like the Nazis had some kind of interesting tech, like were like these balls of light, you know, I don't think we ever got an explanation what they were. But what we what we know what happened after the war Operation Paperclip. So like the the, you know, the the Americans and the British and then the Russians they were fighting for like, like the best Nazi scientists.

So if they were creating like high tech things we don't know about like the v2 rockets and eventually like the stuff they said they didn't NASA is it possible that they were they they took those scientists over here they carried on their work. And it's almost like the UFO phenomenon is is one of the best covers they could possibly have for we're working on top secret stuff we don't want people to

know about. So like if you think about it, like if you and I don't really typically believe about you, we don't, we're not likely to believe in UFOs. Or at least the kind we're presented with like E T and all that stuff. If somebody says, Hey, I saw I saw flying saucer, we'd probably all look like this guy's he hasn't taken his medication has he? But if you said I saw this, this jet or if I saw this thing that the Navy

was working on. Like now the Navy's got a problem they would rather you say it was a UFO. They'd rather you say it came from outer space because then they could say yeah, probably did. Back over the thing it's it's like a great cover story for they've got stuff they don't want you to know about. So when again,

Obviously, not everything is about like, like, you know, I can't separate that from who I am, or what you believe. So obviously, if these things are if they're looking for weapons, if they're looking for like, basically, like blood lines to create a superior race, like we're told that they did that, because they're being racist. I mean, I'm not saying they weren't evil. I'm not saying they weren't racist. But if you think about it, I think it comes back down to like, you think on

their on their SS uniform. I think sometimes they had like, I think they had like, images of Thor on there. And then you think about it, they're going through the all these, like, they're finding these relics. And like said that stuff was real, like the, the Germans, I think, in the late 20 cent or the turn of the century, they took the Ark altered the program altered to Zeus from Pergamum Turkey apart piece by piece, and put it together in a museum in

Berlin. So the Bible talks about this place and they call it the throne of satan in the book of Revelation. And then she think about so there, there's they're trying to, like create this third reich that has all this basically, it's almost like it looks like a recreated room. You know, they're building these

things. So like, I think like, like Heinrich Himmler, when they basically took him down, they found out where his like hideout was, and this, this, I think, in this kind of Castle in Austria, there was 13,000 occult books in that thing.

they weren't white. The Aryans, you think about, again, Hindu, like the Hindu mythologies, you have these people over in India. And when you think about it, like even like they were trying to get like they were saying, I'm sure a lot of people know this, that the Nazis were looking for the Aryans in Tibet. But those people aren't white. What you know what they if they said, Did you see these Hindu

stories? They're showing like blue people, what they're showing is these people that are partially Gods almost like they're almost like, if you think about the Hindu stuff, that's where James Cameron got like the idea for like Avatar, these these blue gods, who are obviously tall, really tall,

isn't it funny? It's like, so that's, I think that's, I think that's what the Nazis were trying to tap into, was, if there was this right if you could create if you could find the bloodlines of these partially divine people, you would have a master race. Like, it's not necessary, you know, so obviously not saying it's, it's I'm saying it is evil, but it's not it's not an evil in the way that people would think it was. We're just like, they just didn't like the way somebody's

skin looked. They they were looking for something they didn't like the way you they were looking for different blood, then different DNA then yes, yes. Even so then even have like, like that. That stuff hasn't stopped even like there was I know in this some of the Wikileaks dumps, they said Hillary Clinton was talking about the tomb of Gilgamesh. And so if like, yeah, you

this is invasion force. It's what's really fascinating is, they were saying, if you did like TJ quickly, when we went into Iraq the second time, obviously, besides the fact that it was such a botched thing. It made no sense that we went in there, instead of destroying their army. We did like a beeline to Baghdad. And then they had this massive raid on the like, basically, the museum

and Baghdad got looted. And they even so even one of our generals said, the people it was like an inside job, people knew what they're looking for, because they left a lot of the fake stuff. And you're like, like what did they find? So if you think about it, like the tomb of Gilgamesh, like like the mythologies about Gilgamesh, he was like 17 feet tall. So if they thought they found his tomb, my question would be, how big was it?

like oral traditions. Again, like I said, if you think about it, there was if there was a great flood that kind of wiped out all like the real solid evidence of things, all you really would have is the stories. So it's like, I'm not saying mythology is true, but I think it came from a true place. So if you think about it, if if somebody said they found the tomb of Gilgamesh Well, that's got to be the greatest archaeological find ever.

Because he's like, you know, like, I think that the Epic of Gilgamesh is, like the oldest written account that we have. And he's a giant. So like, if you think about it, if they said they found his tomb. I never heard him. I never get a confirmation either way. And but is it possible that if they could tap into some kind of DNA, you know, that they would try? You know, if they're gonna if they're gonna clone Dolly the sheep? Yeah. Do you think they would try to clone up a 17 foot

giant? I mean, here

dragons. Again, one man's monster is another man's, you know, lizard, whatever, like it's a there's that the crazy part is like, there's dinosaurs today. Like, what about like a saltwater? Saltwater crocodile? I mean, what is that not considered? Would you not consider that a dinosaur? It's like, 18 foot long.

And you're like, how did you guys just learn this? Because obviously, I'm sure that this is not new for them. So they said like, you find out how little they know about them. They don't really know where they basically have, they're young and they say they have to swim constantly, or they're going to drown themselves and you know, but just stuff that ends up being proved false. And then you find it out like there's like fossils of like, like sea life. And like

that was like the Himalayas. So like so if you really think about it When you find out the bones, they find that are the dinosaur bones. Well, just because you found one leg, you find like one femur bone, and the you found another head some other place, you can't really just put them together and say, this is a, bla bla bla source. It's like, what you're really saying is like, we don't really know what these things we knew there was big, scary things that

died. And yet to me, so like the story of Jurassic Park, is it possible that that was an allegory about something else? And then like finding those things, you think the timing that movies kind of right around the same range to?

bonkers stuff. Now that now what I find interesting, this, there was an interview with Admiral Byrd on some kind of like, you know, on TV, and he was talking about that there was an unexplored area, like, like in the south, that was bigger than all of the United States. And he was talking about how was it was like, a rich and like resources,

like possibly uranium. Okay, so like, what I find interesting, like, Why did all the governments, the main governments of the world, come into some kind of treaty, where they weren't going to do X, Y, and Z there? And don't even tell me what's because of global warming or anything? Because obviously, we know back in the day, those guys didn't care anything about the environment? Like, why wouldn't the strongest countries just go get all the

resources they want it down? So I do think I do think that like, that raises questions in my mind like that, if we don't trust those governments, like what? Like, what would what could they all agree on back around World War Two time? I mean, obviously, the Soviets in the United States didn't see eye to eye for a long time. said like, they could see eye to eye but Antarctica. I mean, I see. Yeah, there's,

there's a lot of questions. And the real question is, like, are the real truth is that we could never know. It's like, like you and I could just charter a big boat or like a plane and go fly down there because they don't like and even if

that kind of stuff. Like there's, there's holes at the poles, you know, like, people will believe it and, and, and I think that's what's interesting, when you get into like, the alien phenomenon is like, you really think about it. If something came out of the earth, that would be alien to us. And if you think about it, the greys are always shown with like, these gigantic eyes, almost like they come from someplace that there's not as much light. So

have you noticed? Have you noticed that like, you know, probably when we were growing up, they were always talking about space aliens. They don't really ever call them that anymore. You know, like marshes, they don't really call them that either. So now they start talking about interdimensional aliens. And again, like it's funny like the alien phenomenon. It's like you don't you don't ever really hear that somebody says I saw this craft fly down it's like it's already here.

aliens like ship down there. And it's like, again, you think about like yeah, like we just said, there's things in the ocean we could never know it's down there. Then you have then you have then you have the weird then you have the weird mythologies of Like, not not only that lane is like sunk in, but it's like, actually, there's some kind of dome down there where like, the Atlanteans live. I mean, I don't believe that stuff. But I mean, it's

interesting. And then you just think about like, is it possible something could come from, from the deep from out of the ocean that we would know about? And the truth is like, how could we know?

know, what? Take my house, I'm getting out of here. Like, I don't want to die for a piece of dirt. That doesn't make sense to me.

pilgrimage to go back there. I know that like, you know, the certain different religions have different beliefs on that kind of thing. But I think that I think it has to have some kind of major significance to it.

Because I think what's interesting in the Bible, can you go back to the, to the Giants topic, like, people people have speculated this, is it possible that there was some kind of connection to the Garden of Eden, where that was, because it's like, because what I find interesting is like, so God wipes the wipes out the giants, and basically all the wicked

with the great flood. And eventually, God promises Abraham, like, basically, like his descendants are going to be, are going to basically have been like the stars and the sands of this sands at the sea. And eventually, there's going to be like this internal Kingdom kingdom coming from it. So he promises in his base, he tells him to go into Canaan. And eventually, there's the promise, obviously, leading the Israelites back out of Canaan to

the promised land. And so when they go to the promising, there's all these fortified cities, and it's all they're all filled with giants, like biblically, this is what it says. And so they go in and kill all the Giants out there. And eventually, they take this take the city. And there's significance about like, where where the temple was, was basically that's where Abraham was gonna sacrifice Isaac, when God stopped him. And there's other there's, there was no other place where like, David

saw the angel of Lord there. So that's where they built the temple. So there's something there's something about this land, and I think there was a guy keep on referring to Michael Heizer. And if you guys, I read the book called The unseen realm. And he starts talking about, like, cosmic geography were like, these, these gods were, like, aligned to these certain places. So again, like I was saying, like, do you think about like, why did they build pyramids in certain places?

Well, it could be that magnetism. And it could be about energy. But obviously, it could be that and it could be, there's a reason that there's energy there. Is it possible that there's there's a spiritual significance that, that we don't understand. And the people who do understand would never tell you?

temple will be. So like, that's where that's basically where he'll rain. So, I mean, but it's interesting, you think about it, like so. It's just, it's a strange thing that, that, like they had to carve this place back out, you know, like the Western countries decided to do this. And of course, it is interesting. Like how much upheaval that's created in this place, where people wonder, are they are they really the people

who belong in Outland? Are they really not and you get in trouble by even asking that question, but like, obviously the people A lot of people in the Middle East don't think they

belong there. And I'm and this is not obviously I don't think it's about racism, I think it's about like, you know, it's about it's more about God, you know, geopolitics than it is about race and religion or any I don't think I don't know if he has any I don't think actually, I think has less to do with religion that people realize,

fight over this. I would be like, I'm out of here, like, oh, I want to I don't want to die for this. Right?

another temple? What's fascinate again, like you go back almost like the the Nazis in the relic hunting? Well, that obviously, that's not a new thing. Like the Knights Templar. That's what they were doing it. And if, if you guys are familiar with Lord of the Rings, like the, the, I guess it was, the dwarves and that they were they mined and they dug down into the earth, and they were looking for feet

for things. And it's interesting, like in the first one they talked about, they dug too deep, and they discovered like this demon down there. Well, the, the place in The Lord of the Rings, it was called the mines of Moria. Well, just so happens where the temple was called, was Mount Moriah. said like, again, like these, like it's funny like this, the stuff in the movies is actually not that, you know, these people are not as creative as you think they're, they're taking real

stories. And well, yeah, is

It is. It is odd. It makes you think, like, is it just these people were fans of history or what? I don't get it?

were, where they were? Well, what's what I find fascinating is how much money it must have cost to put those angels up put that summer. You bet they, you tend to take some sleuthing for people to figure out what the what the star meant men because the because the government never said. So like, like, literally, that's not you won't find that kind of information on your

website. Like I had, like I actually went to gret Graham Hancock's website, and he's wanting to use some of his, I guess, his knowledge to figure out that it was it was based on the the time that the dam was dedicated. And again, it's funny because like, because numbers, obviously numerology to people who are in these mystery schools. Obviously, there's significance to that. It was

means? It means something to somebody again, it's funny, like when you deal with the mystery schools, it's like, you have people like imagine, like, just think of like Freemasonry, like, well, there's, there's obviously levels of that. There's people in the club that don't know. And then there's people in the club that won't tell you.

weird animal masks. I mean, just think about like, you ever see that? Did you ever see that show? True Detective? Yeah, the first the first season is real good. It's real dark, though, you know, with Matthew McConaughey and Woody Harrelson. Yes. And of course, they're doing this weird stuff where everyone's wearing like the deer mask and the antlers stuff in shape. You know, like, they create this ritualistic thing with like, the woman who's dead

with the antlers. Like, yeah, that's obviously that's real. And actually that that came from, it was funny. Again, the TV stuff shows a lot of it. I almost felt like a complete idiot when I finally realized, hey, wait a minute. I think one point Woody Harrelson is talking about he's working on a new genre called true crime. And I was like, wait a minute, this show is called True Detective. And I was like, Is this based on a true story? And I looked it

up. It is. I mean, obviously, we obviously don't really know where it was. But yeah, there was some kind of a cult thing happening in churches down in Louisiana. And I don't think we ever figured out how far it went. But I mean, just like the show, it kind of ends like a little bit like, Well, I remember I remember people saying, yeah, it was kind of like, they really didn't finish

the storyline off. And as somebody who was with my eyes closed, I realized, yeah, I thought like, yeah, if they never really found out who the yellow King was, they really didn't find they really didn't get any of the big people. And you kind of think like, that's how, you know, it was more likely a true like a pretty close to a true story. Because, of course, the bad guys are not going to be frogmarched off in

handcuffs at the end. They get away with like, I mean, that's the stuff that they the people who they're talking about what they're talking about, like the governor, like this super, like infinite, influential pastor and some mega church. Yeah, those guys get away with a lot of this stuff.

they're all in it together. And that's why nobody because they won't release the list of all the people that went to the island, which is really suspicious.

is? I mean, I mean, geographically, how small is that island? Okay, obviously, you think about like, in this is in the Pacific? And obviously in like the Caribbean? I mean, how many little islands are there that you could if you had the right resources, where you could set this thing up? And obviously, who would know what happened?

on, then it's there. Just somebody's having fun with this.

That's what I said. Like, nobody wants to look at that before they're getting on the airplane. Tell them to pay something Happy, right? So let's find something nice. Like, why would you paint that? And then you get into it like so then like the Denver is embrace the the, like the identity of the worlds where it is airport. Well, that's weird. I mean, that's weird in itself. Like, why would you just like soften off the weird edges? Like you don't need it to be the weirdest airport? How about the

safest Airport? The safest airport. That's what every week when it really was,

underground. It's like, it's like a completely sustainable place against like anything. NORAD, and so like, people have speculated do the tunnels go there? And I was like, why would like if they could go there? Why wouldn't you want them to? Because? Would you want like a major airport where you could get get someplace real fast get under the ground? You go there? And somebody's saying, Well, no, they didn't dig that far. And I'm like, what if they dug from

the secret side? Like, how would even How would anyone even know? I mean, like, the point is, like, why wouldn't you want that if you sit? Because obviously, the government could justify by saying, first of all, you already had this thing, just in case something bad happens. First of all, isn't it kind of a weird place to be to make it so secure? Like it's already in the middle of the country? Is it really that vulnerable to attacks? It's, yeah, under a mountain in Denver, or in

Colorado? Right? Like, so why do you need Why do you need all the underground stuff there?

think about like that. This is what this people get a skewed view about this probably because they want to believe the best of their our government, that they didn't take the bad Nazis, they only took like the ones that were really weren't that bad. But these guys are the ones who are running the work camps, the creating the things and if you think about it, they would use you as useful until they weren't, and then what would

happen to them? So obviously, they will use slave labor to build their things, or probably and then obviously, they would kill them afterwards. It's no different I'm sure at the end of the war, they killed everybody anyway, so like they weren't. And so these guys go over here. And so again, if these Nazis were all into the occult, well, you find out a lot of times, it's like, Isn't it interesting how like, science involves math. Well, they call it involves

involves numerology. And, and one and they both involve geometry, like one sacred geometry, other ones just math and where it's like it does not have anything. It's not anything bad. Well, how much do the two kind of merge at some point of what they're actually trying to do? So like, so this is again, this is speculation, like a lot of people a lot of Christians will just say aliens or demons.

Well, I would say like, biblically I say I can I can make this case that the angels are aliens because they're not from earth. Like the Bible basically says they're not they're not from here so like, like technically they would be extraterrestrial. But now

But then when they, when they basically procreated they had these, their their offspring had this divine spirit, but then it had a mortal body so that when the so it wasn't something God intended. So when they died, that's why they were like destined either to roam the earth or be put down into the earth. So people have wondered like, is it possible that the demons could could be like, obviously, if a demon appeared, it would still be just be a spirit. But is it possible through some kind of mad

science? Like even think like, think of like about a, a Frankenstein situation? Is it possible they could create some kind of a flesh suit? Basically, you know, so this suit? Yeah, that's what,

And of all the millions of people probably said they've seen stuff like that, well, it busts the paradigm. And it's all true if one person's has seen something. And so like, I'm wondering, like, again, like, there's either things in the earth that we don't know about, again, which would be alien to us. Again, we haven't found if they find like new mammals every day. So like, is there possibly some kind of somewhat

intelligent animal? Or is it possible that they are like creating little little bodies for an Easter Bunny? Because that's, it's almost like that's how they would probably look at some kind of weird, androgynous looking thing. It doesn't look like it belongs, because maybe they are like doing weird experiments on in Roswell, possibly,

girl. And from what I read, it was like a thing were, well, they think the kid like was just shaking the bed and stuff. But there, they were seeing objects were like flying off the dresser. So unless he had like, an object on a string or something, like, it seems like it's almost hard to fake that in my opinion.

recently. So it's kind of like, what they used to call them what they were talking about, like weird, weird spiritual beings like fairies and like gnomes and weird, you know, like, weird like leprechauns and stuff. Like just strange things that seem like that snatch children away. So it's almost like, is this interesting even like Brian gets into where like, like, the the goat the goat deity is like, is paying and pain was known for

snatching children. So if you think about like, that's why you get the term kidnapping from like, Isn't it interesting? Like when you when you talk about alien abductions, Aliens aren't being abducted they're doing the abducting said kidnapping isn't the kids aren't being napped? The kids are our kids of the goat. They're basically, you know, the offspring of goats. So like, is that's what a that's what an alien abduction was, before anybody had the concept, the context of ET. So like,

them. Everyone has like, unless you were there, it's kind of hard like for us to consider anything that's out of the norm like we mad part of our brain will just say I'm just like slowly walk up, back up back up. But obviously there's too many of these things on both sides. For it's all BBs

hologram of Tupac. So what's a hologram of an alien or a demon or ghost or giant Jesus or whatever? I mean, it's, well, there

overthrow Castro. Because he because because, because because Jesus wasn't a big fan of the government. They're like, they literally talked about doing that. That's cool. I think they were using that one. I wasn't Yeah, yeah. I've got to send you the information on that. Yeah, there was a guy there, we're gonna use like a submarine shooting the star shell flares up into the sky. They were going to use like a projector and, and

whatever else. And they were going to do this and like, so like, when people say, No way. They they literally talked about I mean, this, that's not a theory anymore. That's literally in, you know, like, that's a government document that they try doing it.

tech. Well, they were doing lots of other stuff genetically to like so. And they then you get into the MK Ultra stuff, where like, they're really screwed with people. And so this is what I've always wondered, like, again, it's they're, they're getting people to trip out. They're trying to implant memories and people, they're trying to make them controllable. And not everyone's susceptible to this kind of this mind control. So I've wondered to like, when people are

abducted by aliens? Is it possible that this is a done not demonic phenomenon, where a lot of times you hear about people messing around with the occult, and then they're abducted, and usually they're sexually assaulted everything? Well, here, here's again. So if you think about the story of The Exorcist, you wonder how much like the story like that? How much does the kid remember of

what happened? You know, like, imagine if you like, if you were possessed by something, and you're basically used as a puppet. When you woke up, you woke up basically all like, you know, bruised up and naked someplace. And you would say, like, imagine if you had many false memories implanted in you, like, you would remember in a different way. And obviously, think about how wicked that is, like, just very similar to like, I saw a flying saucer, everyone's gonna think you're

crazy. You had some very real thing happened to you and you don't you can't really explain it. You've only got these kind of like vague images, you just know that it was real. But you can't really explain it. Is it possible that the government would allow somebody to say, oh, yeah, that nut was abducted by aliens, when it's like,

UFO. And now it's like, one day, they just start just they certainly start disclosing it. And then she, I must like, I was thinking about doing a series of videos on this. Okay, so if they're saying that these things are real now, should we go take a look back at some of the most most famous ones to say, Is there is there more to this than they ever lead on? So the truth is, they were lying the whole time. I mean, and again, this is not to say that the aliens are

real. What I'm saying is, the UFOs certainly are obviously things you can't identify in the sky, or certainly real, simply, like, we don't know what everything is. But I mean, but the way they've kind of dripped things out. Now, like I said, it's it's so crazy. There's a guy at the Pentagon, who's basically in charge of like, alien phenomenon. Okay, so like, you would actually pay somebody to go look into this. So obviously, you must be pretty

legit. Or you're just wasting your money, which I can believe either one of those. Oh, there you go. Yeah, that's what I mean. But I mean, they literally had like a report out I think earlier in the year. Did this this guy and I think he was he might work for Harvard, moonlight for Harvard or something like that. He was saying it's possible that the UFO phenomenon is comes from a mothership in somewhere in our

galaxy. And I'm like, people are so in their own worlds where this, this, this should be a bigger story than this, or at least this guy should either be drummed out of Washington and laughed at, or we should be taking him serious. Like which one is it? But it's just like, those stories just get dropped every day now. And people are just kind of like, how, um, you know, like, what's what's what's, what's Britney Spears doing today? They don't even care.

invasion. And then No, in order to centralize more power and seize more power, and you're like, that actually makes a lot of sense. Again, you combined with the Project Blue Beam stuff, you see all this predictive programming, and the movies were like thinking like Independence Day, oh, we got to work with the Chinese. We got to work with the Russians, because we got this threat. Even Ronald Reagan gave this famous speech

in front of you. And he's like, imagine how our differences which slowly guys basically go, what are i Quickly go away? If we faced an alien threat? And you're like, I mean, obviously, it makes sense what he's saying, because it's like, if that was true, that was literally true. You're facing an extinction level event for humanity. What would people be willing to do? Obviously, it would work

together. And it and obviously, that sounds good in theory, but like, who's going to be, you know, putting this all together? Well,

a Christian? Is that something that that you feel like is coming in our lifetime?

fits the mold here. You know, obviously, in the book of Revelation, it starts talking about a centralized government, like the beast Empire, and like, potentially, like a mark of the beasts. And again, like, as we go forward, you're like, you're thinking about, like, it's very likely that we're going to see a centralized currency, digital currency. And if you think about it, like you have a centralized government, who can track all your who can bought, you know, like, basically what you buy,

what you sell. At some point, it seems like the the you don't have to be like, believing biblical prophecy to say, in the hands of the wrong government, they might decide who can bind, who can sell and decide who can't, you know, basically, I see, eliminate certain

gonna let you do this. And eventually, it's going to be like, you know, the thought the thought police where you're not going to have to, you know, you're not gonna have free speech. Obviously, we have certain, you know, a bill of rights here. But again, if you'd like you talk about, like, eventually, a worldwide government and they, and they say, hey, it's dangerous, just like, like around the pandemic time. You can't say that, because that's dangerous. And now they can take take rights

away. Oh, you said it's something that's against what we're doing. Because it's an emergency, you're not allowed to? You know, of course, isn't it funny, like when you think about, if your rights aren't your rights during an emergency, you really don't have those rights, because you do have them

at any point. If the person who declares the emergency could take the rights away, well, then I think that's like, obviously, that's not the checks and balances that that our founders to, you know, put in there, I think,

nobody apologizes. Nobody, nobody apologize to the people who have right before. You know, like, nobody gets a reputation back who was smeared or canceled in the past? And you're like, does the truth really matter? And then you find out like, they're lying to you about certain things, and then you go dig in, how much are they lying

to you about? And I think I said obviously, if, if there's one thing that 2020 taught us is that a lot of the institutions in the in the foundation of the society, there are a lot more shaky than people realize that like I said, the things you thought were you took for granted for being just, like, just the way they are, you realize how quickly they could be removed. And I think that obviously, you know, you're right to be like, hey, wait a

minute. Start seeing things through like a like, why are they telling me this like before you believe them or automatically, like, Who benefits if, if this is true, or who's benefits? If this is a lie,

people be doing this? Because they want what the devil has. And the devil is offering you things. People that's what people sell their souls for not because they love the devil, it's because they love the things that the devil could give you. And that's why people do bad things.

sense. And so I think that's how it was when like when you're showing the like Aleister Crowley in his you know, theology or philosophy was the was the tapestry that was weave throughout our music industry. And you like when you see like, he's got connections to the Beatles, Led Zeppelin. Here's a crazy one. I don't know if you knew this. They were saying so, Aleister Crowley if you guys aren't familiar who he is, he's the father of like, the modern New Age The modern modern

Satanism. And he did like, basically, he gave like the satanists their credo which is do what thou wilt. You know, you see Jay Z rocks that shirt. So he's got this this philosophy and obviously this guy's I think he was called the wickedest man in the world when he was alive.

At one point he had a house on Loch Ness well Jimmy Page bought that house and so I didn't so I didn't hear this until recently I think was like on Mr. Meat those if you ever seen his his YouTube page, he was talking about some of the the connections with with Led Zeppelin. Well, the I didn't realize the house that that Aleister Crowley owned adventure Jimmy Page bought it was on the site of a church that burned down with the people in the church and eventually they rebuilt the built a house on

there. And they had a graveyard for the people that were in the church like literally connected to the house like they had a place where you go down in the church and went underground out to basically where the cemetery was by the lake and so eventually Aleister Crowley moved out of there because he had like bad things like people involved died in that place. So this guy was freaked out but I think they said people connected Jimmy Page died at that house.

And you're like, oh, oh my gosh, like I like it's one of those things where it's like it like it gives me chills just thinking about like, and then you think like, like Stairway to Heaven and it making sense backwards even if even if you don't believe in it. Listen, that starts on forwards. Like, like with a with, like literally listening to the lyrics. It's a weird song forwards and then Jimmy Page They say like his, some of the outfits he wore, were like, they were like wizard

ropes. I mean, like, whether you believe in that or not, he was doing things were like, you know, like, pointing to each direction. I mean, he's, it's originally he was doing rituals on stage. And so like, most people don't think of Black Sabbath being satanic. But in every stretch of the word, they were like, Oh, what did I say Black Sabbath? Yeah, well, definitely. Everybody knows they are but

That's bad. They're contacting spirits, or things that help them, write songs, be better musician, you know, get the things they want, or like, even like, think about manifestation, your name and claim it, even people in like in the church, believe that stuff. Think about it. It's the same stuff, where they've, they try to manifest things that happen. So obviously, if somebody says, but this way, if all the biggest bands in the world are doing this, are they all making it up?

Like why would they I mean, because again, like, when you finally know what they're talking about, you see that they're not being they're not being subtle about it. But I think most people would not look at Led Zeppelin and think that was like a satanic band. Because they're not really because they're not really advertising that they worship the devil. They're not like, they're not trying to do shock value things. It to me, it's more like they really believe the stuff they're

doing. But I mean, why would you buy that wicked man's house? Why would you? Why would you be specially when you know the history of that place?

give people stuff. You know, like, that's, that's interesting is if we go back to the ancient, ancient angels topic, like in the Book of Enoch, he talks about the angels that came down who took wives, they gave men technology. So they gave men knowledge of things, knowledge of like the stars, knowledge of magic, knowledge of like metalworking, stone cutting, you know, just like, like, if you ever, ever wondered, like, how did Man figure these things out?

It's like, I mean, the Bible would say that the angels taught men and stuff, you know, visit possible they there? Is it possible, there's still teaching people to do certain things? I mean, I think it's

writing itself. And it's like, okay, so when he's saying that again, so then you look at a movie like venom to I don't know if you saw that movie, but There's a there's a scene where like, Venom is this kind of black good kind of possesses and he brought makes him real strong and powerful. At one point, the suit is picking up the pen and it's just draw it's writing. Without him doing it. It's like, what they're showing you is automatic, right? Like, these

people would write a song. And again, that's what I like when people would say, when I get on stage on this different persona, the Spirit just kind of fills me up and you're like, they just said, what I'm saying, but like, people don't believe them.

egos. Like, I think when you They say a spirit possesses me they talk about like the Angus Young and he's acting like a maniac on the stage. It's like, Is he is he is, is this any different than the exorcist is that we stop puking everywhere. He's like, he's, he's acting like a maniac. He but he's playing the guitar. Well, so like, is it? Is it part of an act? Or is it more than that?

controversial. But then I don't know, maybe I heard stories that maybe there was stuff going on. So

of course. Yeah. Isn't it funny, I was listening to it like kind of through like, like, which is almost like that understanding where like, they're even talking about the drummer who just was seriously kept dying. And they were saying it was entitled, saying the the police said this one would be better left unsolved. And it's like, it's like, it's a it's a hilarious

line. But at the same time, like, it is almost like it's weird that all these bands who are popular or do have all these these major tragedies in their lives. And, yeah,

cleansing in the spiritual. So it's like, again, if you're, if they're dealing with the same kind of demonic entities or spiritual, there is a thing about the blood that obviously we don't really know, obviously, as Christians, we're not looking too deeply. And we're way past like, obviously, the, the pre Jesus stuff where they were doing sacrifices, you know, the good people were doing sacrifices that God's temple

understand. And, I mean, I guess you said it just it does seem like when you start to look at, like, the histories of these people, and it's like, so many have had tragedies with like, young, like young children and stuff. And it's like, you would hate to ever think that there was like, there was some ill intent in that it wasn't just an accident. But like, there's so many examples of that. And like, I guess, as I'm saying, like, I'm not going to

like a lot of people die. They they either die young on their there's a tragedy with one of their parents dying freakishly even Kanye West said that, that he said that is his mom was sacrifice for this. And you're like, yeah, he you can look that up. He said a reasonable guy. Well, he said a lot of things. But I guess the point is like, it's, he obviously is in a position where he, he got all the things that everyone would want, you think like out of this

world? And you're saying like, Yeah, well, you're thinking about like,

people to read his books. I'm just saying, like, look into people who've looked into him. It's like, there is these common themes going on? And then it's like, it's kind of like, if, if all that, you know, like, you say, how do I make it on the cover of Rolling Stone? And a nine out of 10 of them say the same things? It's like, Well, are they all making it up? Or are they telling you the truth, and people just don't want to believe them? They don't want to believe that. The tat till you

make it. But if you think about it, I think the music business was probably the most obvious I'm sure anybody raise any would tell you, like the industry makes, makes the people like obviously, there's so many people are talented that you never heard of. And there's a

What would you be willing to do in order to make it like a Joe Rogan situation? Some people would be willing to compromise their integrity in some way for money and fame? Well, obviously, that's a degree of kind of selling your soul to like, at what level? Are you willing to do things you wouldn't normally do in order to do that? And then when you're talking about being mega famous on the level of these kinds of people, like,

like, what wouldn't they do? I mean, I like there's so many stories, probably that behind the music saying we would do anything to make it. You know, they, they fully they say that and then and then you have like people like, like Katy Perry is a good example of like, some same. This was somebody by her own ambition. She could not make it as like the the Christian AMI, she wanted to be like Amy Grant, she wanted to be a Christian singer. But she couldn't make it on the

Christian scene. So she just shifted to the secular scene and became like, the biggest pop star in the world. Well, that doesn't that seem like it would be harder to do like that? And then she says, in the most melancholy voice, I sold my soul. Food I'm starting to

stuff. Because like I said, I don't I think sometimes I feel like we're talking past each other when we write like the commonalities of the things opposed

of truth in there. I think as, as we, as people are trying to find out what's true, we can try to figure out what we what we believe that we can. And obviously, I would be lying if I didn't say there's a lot of speculation involved in the stuff we're talking about. Because it's like, how could we really know any, anybody who's too sure of the things when you start talking about stuff like this? You can almost disregard what they say, because it's

like, exactly. You gotta be you gotta have some humility to be like talking about these these kinds of topics.

absolutely. Cool stuff. Well, thanks, JT. I'll talk to you later.

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