Are you waking up to is it's early over there, right?
We had long travel day yesterday and then three hours last three hours. So literally probably got to sleep at three. And that interview started coming in at 8am. So yeah, haven't gotten out of bed
How do you do it? I mean, you're you got to be one of the busiest people that I've interviewed. I mean, look at all the projects you have and you do guitar lessons and all these different bands and then tour dates and interviews and how do you do it?
Well, guys, like you were really mean to me. Well give me a break. Like should we get that George Lynch Gaya you know, a little a little time off and you're like, Fuck him. Carter? Yeah, but I can't complain. I'm right on the beach in Florida here. Sand Dunes. It's really beautiful.
Oh, nice. Wait, is that? Oh, wait, let me see. I'm looking at your tour schedule. Wait, no. You're Pano Beach is that I said
it's somewhere near Fort Lauderdale.
And then you're doing destin on the 13th. I've been to Destin, that is beautiful. That's one of my favorite places I've ever been white sand beaches.
Yeah, that's, that's that's a couple of few days off. But yeah, it's it's nice to. Yeah,
that's great. So, new album, we got to talk. The new lynch mob.
Yeah, Babylon is coming out on October 20. We got a slew of videos we have done or continue to work on for it and doing a record release party at the whisky and some other joining venues around that area. We're doing an unplugged thing and assigning st thing. So basically a whole day of just, you know, kind of getting out there and being there being present and doing whatever we can to increase awareness that this record is out and let people know.
Yeah, it's cool. I love the singer. Where did you find a Gabriel? Kalon?
Yeah, yeah, you can't call him kolam
I see I wrote it down co lawn lawn like a lawn landscaping.
Yeah. And his is you're not supposed to abbreviate as his first name. Column gay either. Be Gay colon, and we don't want to call him
canceled if we do that.
be disrespectful.
But he goes he sounds a little bit kind of like a Steven Piercey or like a Tammy down a faster but like kind of not. What would you call like a raspy kind of sleazy vocals? I love it. Personally.
I agree with that. And I think it was probably a combination of those guys. And the some a little bit of axial maybe? Oh, yeah. But, you know, he came from more of the metal world. So this is a different thing for him. It's not his normal thing. And he wouldn't he didn't expect to be working in a band like this. And so when we did the record, it was you know, wasn't something that he was a
natural fit for him. So, which made it interesting, because he loved it, you know, he loved the, the, the way that we this genre of music would approach songwriting. And the the end result being so different than what he's used to doing. I love what he's done. In the past. I couldn't name the bands, but I have heard the stuff that he did, and it's great. And that's his strong suit. That's what he
does metal. But you know, what I find is that he'll push us, although we're dragging him more into this, this style, this lynch mob style. He's also I think, over time going to drag us a little bit toward more towards the metal side, which I think could be cool.
Yeah, I mean, you you like playing different styles of music. I mean, you have so many different projects, like and a lot of them are very different.
Yeah. So you're, you're just basically I call it the zealot effect is that Woody Allen movie is a fake documentary like Toki documentary where there's this freak guy that that just morphs and into and becomes whatever he is in his his environment. So it could literally become the hang Drone doctors, he performed surgeries handled with politicians he gets elected president. I mean, it's just crazy. And he physically changes you know, it's a great movie.
But um, anyways, point being that, that whoever I'm playing with, you know, become that you know, react to that so you know, so if I'm playing in cake, Sam, and I've got good Pennock singing, I'm gonna write different and play different avid different sound, almost unconsciously, than if I'm playing with, you know, Don Dokken I'll know there's certain things I can't can't do with each one of those singers. Yeah. Okay,
XM that's great. I was listening to that yesterday and then you got the the drummer from corn on it to like, that's a cool little trio. You guys, have you guys ever do live shows with that one?
No, no, we never have. We have tried to put tours together and gotten close. But the problem is, is that corn is corn. And it's like, you know, you can't just say, Hey, Ray, Hey, Doug, let's go do a tour. Okay, see you Tuesday. It's that little workout way, you know, you got to do all this preparation as you can imagine,
right? And things have to be booked six months in advance and and rehearsals and get everybody lives in different states and you got a crew and you got to learn all the songs and develop the show and it's like, you know, all the logistics have to be in place. And it's expensive and they're like okay, oh corn called gray and they said you gotta go do or drummer drummer.com interview in New
York. So cancel the XM tour. You know, and that's I'm paraphrasing but that literally is almost what happened
Wow, yeah. No, I'm sure that it's like all three of you have busy schedules be especially corn that's like a monster machine there so
you thing else is flexible to the point where we could probably work something out but not that
Yeah. Well so you said like that you love to jam and improvise and then you sometimes turn those into the songs is that how a lot of this new record was written is just jamming and improvising? Yeah, there's a
there's no distinct line between jamming and then songwriting I mean, the same thing really for me so yeah, it's that songwriting just you know, whether Oh my by myself and just fooling around on my guitar, like when I'm practicing, I always come up with ideas and, you know, record record anything that I think I
might need for later. Or if I'm in a room with the guys or if we're doing soundcheck like today we're doing soundcheck this afternoon we always jam at soundcheck, you know, and if there's something kind of cool then one of us hits our phone record and then we have that for later. Yeah, and comes comes a song or basis for idea for a song.
Yeah, what So what about the song? I'm ready I because the opening guitar riff It sounds almost exactly like Panama.
Right? There's this guy in North Korean say there's this some band in LA I don't know if they're still together. But yeah, they they ripped us off in the future. They must have some fucking time machine or something. You know what I mean? They get to sue them.
Yeah, I mean, I think you might have a case.
Well, I talked to my lawyers. Really good lawyers. Dewey Cheatham and Howe was only the Marx Brothers No it's actually the Dream Team. Johnnie Cochran
Oh yeah. Oh, those guys are all dead I think or it's a it's so much stress
that's why they're that's why I can afford them now. Yeah, okay. They just prop them up in the courtroom though. They're still very intimidating. Yeah,
well yeah, the Kardashian the family is got a lot of money they can intimidate Well, you
know when you're that talented, of course you got a lot of money you're doing so you're producing so much great stuff for the rest of humanity. You're entitled you shouldn't get compensated for that. I mean, they got big butts and lots of makeup Come on.
I think that sums up the whole Kardashian enterprise right now big butts and makeup
is Christ don't get me started anyways, I got plus I can't this I gotta cut this interview off at some point because I do an appoint with my fucking butt Allah just get my injections.
Yeah, are you still How is your health because you're like used to be rip used to do you're really into like working out and stuff. Are you still in all that stuff?
Well, I mean, the art on a much lower scale. I mean, I know I'm How to, you know, back in the day, it was like, I live for that, you know, for the gym and training and all that, that not anymore. But I work hard and I'm, you know, I do work out and I and we, we also have a place in northern New Mexico, we're which we love and we and that's literally just all work all the time. You know, hard work so that it's like, you'd never think about going to the gym after a day out there.
You know, you're just like, so tired, you can't you're not gonna watch TV, you just eat. And you got to sleep and wake up again at 530 in the morning and do it all over again. It's awesome. But it's very physical, physically challenging hard work. So that's your workout. But it's like a farm or something. Yeah, maybe we grow food. We have animals and we're
up at 8000 feet. So we're right up against the the Sanger crystals, which are 13,000 feet, we got our water out of the mountains, we have solar, you know, we're always building and repairing and getting wood and, you know, doing all the stuff we need to do to make life work out there. It's beautiful. How
far are you from Don? Dokken? And did you like, Was that just a coincidence? You both live in New Mexico? Or what's the story there? I don't know.
I mean, I think he his girlfriend lived there, had a house there. And I think he they just moved in together. I guess I'm not sure exactly the story. But but I've been migrating out there for a good part of 40 years. It's just the place I would gravitate to. And I loved it. I lived in Arizona for 1112 13 years. And and I would always find myself when I get on my motorcycle, it just be like drawn like a magnet to New Mexico. And just it was Zuni was Pueblo country. It was Taos it
was whatever. And I just loved it there. I felt like it was a sense of place. And I felt at peace and I felt this is where I belong. And I still feel that way. And but you know, life gets in the way. Work marriages, whatever. So my wife and I have been visiting here for 25 years. And we finally pulled pulled the trigger a few years ago and and put some roots down and so we're we're building on that. You know, it's it's a process.
Yeah, no, absolutely. Yeah. I live in Arizona and I was going to ask you which part of Arizona when you did live here. Were you like a North Cape? Hey, that's what I thought. Okay. Yeah, because my parents were both Yeah, nice.
That Tatum ranch Cave Creek, the real cave. Yeah, Creek back when it was funky. And it was awesome. And now it's, I'm sorry, it's still love it I guess. But I it just breaks my heart to go there. Now. I mean, there's just, there's just no restrictions on the
development or the sprawl. It's just from one end to the other, just don't stop and, and all the magic and all the stuff I loved about it had been just basically squeezed out of it, you know, you know, all the funky people, all the Desert RATS, you know, the leftover people that used to
be Cave Creek. Because, you know, Cave Creek was in the 80s with just where everybody go to Red Dog ranch and party and all broken down school buses out in the desert, and ride their dirt bikes and go hiking and it was you know, play music on generators and stuff. It was crazy. And people were eccentric, and you know, very colorful and, and that all went
away. And as that started going away and get replaced with money, you know, prices went up and all the funky places got shut down and lost all his true character. That all got replaced with you know, T shirts for tourists and expensive drinks and bullshit. So whatever pretend cowboy stuff.
Yeah, there is a lot of that. Well, yeah, and your your old buddy Mick though. still lives here though.
Yeah, yeah, I love makeup. Yeah, he went through some changes. So he he quit playing drums as you probably know. But he sounds wonderful. And like, he's think it was good for him. You know, a lifetime of drumming is it's physically hard, you know, hard on so. But his brother is, you know, his mini me kind of just, just, almost, they're almost like twins. And they have the same style, same sense of humor. They look the same. And so Steve plays with Jeff pilson and I on a project called The End
machine. So it's basically I have been making the band. You know, it's pretty cool.
Yeah. Would you ever retire? I mean, it seems like it'd be impossible for you to retire All these projects
I don't know what retired that I don't think that would happen but ya know, we are actually getting on the we're on the cusp of announcing the retirement of lynch mob. I mean, that's the kind of final ride in 24. And so that will be ending. This record will be our swan song, I believe. And we're going to our last show is Monsters of Rock cruise, very beginning of 25. So we're gonna, we're gonna hit it hard and 24 and then call it a day and go out with a smile on a positive note, you know, I
didn't want to end. You know, like a guy quits the band. Okay. I can keep it together or, or something. You know, we made a great record with this Babylon record, I feel. And in the band is fantastic. And we all love each other. And we're just, we're having a great time, and we're killing it. So that's a good way to go out. I think so.
Yeah, no, I'm loving the new record is fun. It's got a lot of different kinds of songs like the sinner. That's kind of a cool one to the it's kind of got like a bluesy kind of sexy vibe. Like, I feel like it's something like a stripper could dance to or something. Are you guys gonna do that one live?
We have been doing that and Time After Time Live since we wrote it for was even on the record. So it's interesting because we incorporated new songs into the set that are aren't anything anybody's ever heard. And that's risky, because, you know, nobody wants to hear that. They want to hear the old songs and everything. So but it worked. People dug it, and we're like, whatever. They're just being nice. And really weren't sure then the next night. Same thing, great reaction really? Should I
think they like it. Okay. So we play it every night.
Do you notice when when audiences don't like a song like, Did you can you tell? Like you could see like a bunch of people get up and go to the bathroom at the same time?
Well, I never look at the audience. I'm pretty much just stared at my guitar when I'm playing. Kind of zone it out. But no, I don't think I've seen that I but you can feel when something's not going over like, like you would expect it to or hope it would. That's happened. For instance, like if you're at a high energy show, and we play, bring it down, you know, and play something like rain, which I love playing rain
with the first record. But sometimes people don't want to hear that, you know, they're there. You're putting the wrong song. Or in, you know, in the right spot in the wrong spot of the set. Or the you know, I mean, there's just, sometimes songs just don't come off. You play a once in a while, we'll try to play something obscure, like a deep track. And people will get it. They'll just be like, okay, play something we know. They're polite, you know,
they get into it somewhat. But yeah, you know, can't all be winners.
That sucks. Because that to me, that seems like like as a fan. I like like more of the deep tracks. Like, I mean, of course, you got to play the hits. But like, I like hearing the stuff that you don't hear all the time. And I think obviously, as a musician, you want to play different stuff, too. Right? That's gonna be more fun for you.
Yeah, fuck the audience. Do something for us. Oh, fuck you write your own songs. Yeah. You ever just Oh, no, no, I was kidding. The the, my favorite thing to do is improvise. But not only do a fine that some fans are resistant to that, but so are some band members. Hmm. So that becomes challenging if can I get him to go along with it? You know? Yeah, I find I have to sort of force the issue sometimes, you know. And this happens frequently where and
they know what I'm up to. And some of the guys in the band don't like it. And I'm being honest about that. Because I'll, we'll be doing a show and they just want to do the show. You know, we've got this, we change the set every night, but we talk about it and we figure it out during the day and we go okay, well, this is what we're gonna do. We go, okay, replace this with that. And we'll go into this here and say something here
and this and that. And then I'll throw something in just on the spur of the moment, you know, because I'll just, you know, I turned on my guitar and something happens. There's a riff comes out, and I'm like, Oh, that's pretty cool. Hey, let's do this. And everybody's act. It's funny, because if you see this, if you ever watch us, and I do that on stage, you'll, you'll see that the number one thing is the rest of the band acts like I'm not doing that.
It's fucking crazy. And it's the drummer because you can't do anything with the drummer. And he knows what's up. You know, we've been playing together for decades. what he'll do is Jimmy No, they'll just like, oh, yeah, like he's busy. Oh, I'm gonna fix my foot pedal. And then he'll hide down there and I'm still playing. He's hoping I'll stop. But I don't stop. And then I'll go up to the mic. I'll go, hey, you know what sometimes,
you know, lightning strikes. You guys want to jam, you feel like jam and we felt like jam and two. And then I look over and he rolls his eyes. He's like, Gosh, he's saying he get out of this one. But then what he does, he'll, he'll half heartedly come in to tell he's not happy about it. And then he'll, he'll play it, but he's waiting for the out. He's like, uh, we'll just make this you know, an eight bar thing. And then, okay, just kidding. Okay, let's go to the song. But I don't want him to do
that either. I'll keep going. And he'll have to start again. It's this whole little cat and mouse game we got to play with. You know, whatever.
But you're the boss. Right? I mean, it's lynch mob. So it's like,
yeah, that's what allegedly. But really, the the D D D power structures inverted in a rock band, usually the tour bus drivers, the boss or the? or? Yeah, I'm kind of, I try to be just everybody's friends. So I don't pull the boss card.
But so do you like that better? Where it's your project? Or as opposed to like, kick them? Or it's like, there's three of you, you're kind of all big names?
Well, no, it's all. That's all the same thing. Same dynamic, I don't really, I'm just the guitar player. You know, I mean, it's not like that. It's I don't like, I would never want to be like, you know, in a Steve Vai situation, you know, I don't That sounds like a lonely thing. I just like being in a band. And having my thing that I do within the context of that, you know, I value everybody equally. And I think
the audience does. And, quite honestly, I don't even listen to guitar players, I listen to singers and songs. That's what's more important to me. So I'm just part of, really, my job is to lay a bid for a singer, and help write a song.
So you don't listen to other guitar players? You don't I mean, you get, I think you said you get inspired by them, or you're not real competitive, but you can be inspired by other guitar
players, aware of some of them. And of course, you know, what I was raised with, of course, I've listened to them. But as far as nowadays, it's not like I sit around and, and, you know, technically, theoretically, guitar music is not something that I concern myself with. I'm more just do what I do. Whatever happens when I pick it up, and whatever ideas pop into my head, and then I also try to be a better
songwriter. And, you know, make sure my world is always working on my tone and, and just trying to write a better song. Still, my wife was asking me the other day, because how many songs you think you've written? I don't know, I figured, you know, however many albums times 10. You know, 500? Because I think you've written a lot more than that. You know, it doesn't. It's not a conscious, not how many songs you've written. I would rather have written just one great one.
Well, Mr. Scary, I know you say you don't like that one. But that's like, That's epic. I mean, that's like, that's kind of what made people think of you as a guitar hero. Right?
Not sure. But, yeah, I mean, I know, we're just talking about definitions now. But, but you know what I mean, I mean, I think there would be a lot more gratification having reading written a song that is important. Or, or, you know, historically recognized,
like American Pie or something.
As
American put Don McLean American Pie, like I had him on the show. He's, I mean, it's kind of a one hit wonder, though.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, like, you know, yeah. Name one. Beatles song or, you know. Imagine by John Lennon or something like that, or hallelujah, by Leonard Cohen? Or, or, you know, Hotel California or Stairway to Heaven. Yeah, I mean, while we're sitting here, you know, fantasizing Why not
be in you. You're not done yet.
Well, that's what I'm thinking. I think I'm a late bloomer. They're gonna hit my peak at 102
Sure, why not? Yeah. You have to you have another one at 730 Right? Yes, sir. lowly, like once you get out of here, is there a charity? You want to give a shout out to here at the end, though, anything that you cause or whatever you want to promote?
Yeah, hold on one sec. Oh, Um, where do I need that guitar? Do we pull everything out of there? Okay. Oh, all right. I think I get it. This one I can restrain. Okay, I just want to make sure I don't have anything in the case I need to take the hat off, I guess. All right, see over there? Well, my wife and I and our extended family do a thing called greetings with gratitude, which is we try to do what we can for homeless people, food, shelters,
things like that. Opportunities economic opportunities, housing, jobs, all that, you know, the whole, the whole thing, the whole spectrum. So we're, we're heavily involved as it's called greetings with, with gratitude. And it's, it's a nonprofit. We're pretty heavily involved in that right before I came out here. We were doing that we're cooking up huge batches of food and delivering it, you know, to the shelter that my wife is very involved in, down the street
from our house. That's very small thing, but
there's that. I will put that in the show notes along with the lynch mob, or your George Lynch website has all your stuff lynch mob everything, solo stuff, all that stuff on there. And the new record comes out October 20.
Yes, and I hope, I hope people you know, come to the shows, this next year, this will be our last hurrah, and we're gonna give it our all and we will not be disappointed. And I appreciate all of you. Thank you. All
right. I will come to a show if I can. Hopefully, if you hit Phoenix or maybe I'll drive to Vegas or something.
We're doing we're doing Phoenix and I'm playing December 18. With was the magician famous magician in Vegas is Chris Copperfield. No,
there's so many of them. Are rock and roll.
Chris something Criss Angel.
Criss Angel. Yeah.
He invited me to play at his his concert or whatever you call it. December 18.
Wow. Okay. I didn't know he was a fan. Maybe I'm gonna try to get him on the show, then. That'd be awesome.
Yeah, I built a couple of guitars for him. Oh, that's very cool. For his charity.
Okay, well let you get to the next one. Georgia.
Yeah, man. Say hi to Arizona. Go up and go hug a cactus for me.
I will. Yeah, that sounds a great idea. Thank you. All right. See you, buddy. All right, but thank you for taking the time to listen to the full podcast episode. Please help support our guests by following them on social media and purchasing their products, whether it be a book, album, film, or other thing. And if you have a few extra dollars, please consider donating it to the favorite charity. If you want to support the show, you can like share and comment on this episode on social media and
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