All right, this is a big one. Today, guys, D Snyder is back on the show for round two. And this time we got him for an hour, he's got a new book coming out called frats. And it's a very entertaining read about fraternities and high schools in New York. It's based on true events. It's a great story. So we're gonna discuss the frat culture and how that has now been lumped into toxic masculinity and canceled
culture. We're also going to discuss how people tried to cancel D for being transphobic his thoughts on that all the division in this country, all this and so much more coming right up. Welcome back, by the way, I did my show a couple of years ago, I think, and it was a lot of fun. So hopefully, this will be fun, too. And you've got a new book out frats. I just finished it today. Great sight. And it's funny, because I'm actually not usually a fan of fiction. I just
have a hard time focusing. But this one, I was like, Oh, this is an easy read. Like it's really easy to get wrapped up with the characters in the story. And it did do a good job of keeping the action. There's never like a lot of lols or anything, thank you. And you know, but for your money. It there's so much truth in it so much nonfiction, like, as it says on the front cover, it says based on actual events, so all the stories, all the action, all the issues, virtually all our
And then other things like you know, the romance, Bobby's romance with Angel. Well, it bears a very striking similarity to events that happened with me and my wife, the mafia Princess, with the death threats, the long walk on a knowing night and all those nightride and even the location Baldwin is where I grew up. So geographically it is note for note step per step, real. And I really borrowed that from Stephen King, who many of his stories or books are set in Maine, because he's from Maine,
he knows Maine. And it's a it's a real place. And it speaks to truth when he's talking about the roads and, and in different areas and the environment. So try to capture so there's a lot of nonfiction in this fiction book.
That makes sense. So that's probably why I'm more interested in just that timeframe. And that was I'm a child of the 80s. But still, the 70s is kind of 60s and 70s is an interesting time as well. So So tell me about you have the frats. So this was this was a real thing. There was high school, France. Is this only in New York, or was this all over the country?
Well, that's why I wrote the story, because I assumed because it was the world I grew up in from elementary school to junior high. And then it's a high school that that the minefield of high school, that this was just the way of the world. It was in the town next door and the town there, all the bordering towns had fraternities. So it was just a reality. It wasn't until I started traveling and talking to people and you know, and all that downtime and rock and roll
and conversations. You start talking about high school and adventure in the frats High School frats. And who a man or woman they go. What's that? Is that? You mean? Like College? Like no, no, no high school fraternities. Nobody had those in the idea that because they had charters like college retirees, but with the police lease, you had to register your fraternity because they had returned fraternal colors and jackets and T shirts, that somehow that made them not gangs, which is what they were.
And the school gave them social attitude. And as you saw in the book, it was reflected in the parents attitude. Oh, look, boys be boys. Hon. I remember getting hazed when I was a kid, you know, but this was not college. These weren't younger. These weren't adults. These were really kids, you know, just post pubescent kids running around and acting like they were adults, when in fact, they didn't have the, I don't know, they didn't have the mental capabilities of really handling these things.
Right? Yeah, cuz I think that's what's different from the college frats. I mean, I don't know. I've never been in any sort of frat. But I would assume from what I've seen on movies and TV, the college perhaps there's not as many fights whereas in this book, The High School frat it was much more about like, fights. I mean, yeah, they had the drinking and stuff and the hazing, too, but there's a lot of like, violent I mean, you're right. It's like glorified gangs.
You know what, and that's, that's a great observation. What is going to college frat na High School frat, well, a college friend. I mean, these guys are in their, in their, you know, late teens. 20s. So you're, as you know, with every year you get a little more more in control. I'm saying that are totally in control, but a little more adult like, and his kid is easy. No 1514 1516 year olds, seven year olds while living at home, and the college grads are partying, hazing.
Yeah, you know, you're about the rumbles. And this was very 19 even that defense is his 70s or 1980s style rumbling bites, you know, you know, as in the book, you know, we're going to have a rumble picking a place you'll hear about that in college. I guess it too drunk. But but the high school grads, it seems to be more about that than anything else.
Yeah, that's interesting. My dad grew up in the, I guess he was born in 45. So he would have been in high school where that would have been like the early 60s. And he said there was fights every day after school, like, I don't think they had the frats or whatever. But this was like Tacoma, Washington. He said there was fights every day after school, and kids would fight, but then they would, then the
fight would be over. And then the problems are kind of resolved a lot of times and then they would people would move on.
Yeah, well, you know, and that's it. People have commented about fights and fighting, and that it used used to be got it. This is an old old dude thing here. But it definitely your dad's right. It used to be more like, punches, you know, and kicks, and then it's over. And now you're hearing about shootings, and gun violence. And it seems to be more retribution going on and more retaliation. And, you know, and knives and bats and weapons.
It's not, it's not like you and me, man in the back, you know, at the BP at the flag post at three o'clock, and we're going to to get out, you know, it sounds kind of stupid now, but it was more it was more innocent. Yeah. If and, but what you were seeing in early 70s already and reflects my book, that innocence was starting to leave, you know, and you were starting to see weapons coming
in. He was starting to see dirty fighting and and and revenge and, and payback and, you know, all that kind of stuff that changed the whole tone of the Meet me after school where you meet me at the school they made that talked about.
Yeah, I mean, you said some I heard you say something in an interview about how some of the reviews are saying toxic masculinity, which is just for some reason that a phrase bothers me because I feel like being masculine is not a problem. But I do think there's been assholes. I feel like the people in the book are just they're assholes. Like the one guy he talked about Jimmy OH, COME the villain. I mean, you say that he's just pure downright evil, and is more than just being a jerk or whatever.
Yeah, well, I mean, and you know, and I don't want to give away any punches. But the what he what, you know, there is a Bobby speaks about Jimmy do after the fact. And that and what he did. Jimmy was a fictitious character, but a member of that particular fraternity. Did that thing that I talked about? That brutal, and he went to prison for life. So so he was a psychotic, he was based on very psychotic characters that really existed. You know, that toxic masculinity
thing that shocked me? Because it was the publishers are going, Oh my God, we love this book. It's about toxic masculinity. I'm like, what I'm like, you know, I was, I was just writing about a world that I was steeped in. And by steeped. I don't mean I was in the France. I don't believe I was one of those guys swinging a bat. I mean, I was one of those guys try not to get his ass kicked. For a good part
of my life. It was on this big, weird, dude with hair and light form shell and I was just out of target. I was a target. So like, you know, I mean, so. But I was, uh, you know, and you read the book, just so you know, where I fit in. I'm one of the breaths, okay, it's for people who are reading in the breaths or some of these nerds. I have a lunch table that take bobby in and I think sort of fill him in on the
world, the fraternal world. And I was one of the we weren't called the breads, but me and Don fury and Ray, we used to sit there. And we were great observers. As music musicians and geeks. We were observers of this crazy fraternal world, that we were staying out of the way of, but it's still also in awe and amazement of how intense it was, and how you know, and also, for some reason, those people were viewed as the cool guys, you know, with the frat jackets and getting into fights and all
that kind of stuff. So, yeah, the whole idea of I hate the, you know, a canceled culture. I hate the term, you know, toxic masculinity. I hate all these terms. Yeah, you know, it was pretty toxic. And, and, and it definitely brewed some psychopaths, you know, there's a lot of people came out and come out of that environment and They are worse for it. And other of
us learn from it. And, and for me, it made me not stronger in the sense of maybe tougher because I had to, you know, insulate myself or protect myself in this environment. And I'm not saying I was constantly getting in fights with things like that, that was like, kind of the worst thing you do. He's still either sort of just folded up and rolled into the fetal position, or you just sort of said, All right, I gotta get through this commons area, one way or the other. And I'm gonna
get make it through there. And you just sort of learn how to handle yourself in these situations, and life is built with these situations.
Well, yeah, and it's just interesting, because when you look at this, I mean, you see how our world has changed even in our lifetimes, like back in the 70s. Like, that's how it was, there was fights. And then one of the in chapter two talks about the insensitive comments and jokes that people make. I mean, we have come so far away from that, which, okay, there's probably some good to that, too. But do you think that we've gone too far? That I mean, you can't make
fun of anything anymore. I mean, comedians, have I interviewed a lot of comedians, I mean, they have the toughest job in the world right now. Trying to make fun of things, but not get in trouble for it.
Yeah, go to a lot of comedy shows, live in LA and, you know, in a way a lot of them handle handle it is, is, you know, fu I'm gonna say this. I'm gonna say this. of you people, I'm gonna say that, you know, you know, we all worked for it, because I remember incredibly endlessly insensitive comments, racist comments about everybody, everybody, I mean, you know, ethnicities, religions, it was
it was all on the table. It was kind of like a Mel Brooks movie, you know, where he's kind of, like, you know, Blazing Saddles, where you watch it, and he's making fun of everybody. There's no, but you know, he's making fun of rape and, and blacks and Jews and in Native American he does going for, and that's what makes it funny, and makes it acceptable to me, because it's not targeting one group. And it's not anger or hostility. It wasn't in with me and my
friends. It wasn't when we were telling these, you know, they Italian jokes, Polish jokes, Jew jokes, black jokes, whatever it was, it wasn't like what any motion said it was just funny. And everybody told them and everybody laughed. But all of a sudden, it became, you can't say that about my people. You can't say that about my people. And just I want to say Howard Stern once I was listening, and it was brilliant, a woman called up, and I won't bother doing her her Long Island accent. But she
said, Howard, I listened. I'm a longtime listener, I love your show. I think you're the funniest person. But you crossed the line today, when you spoke about x. And hours, let me get this straight. I make fun of everybody. And you laugh. You've been laughing for years. But the minute I touch on a subject that is close to close to home for
you, that's not funny. He's the lady I'd rather have you call me up and say, I don't think anything you do is funny because at least you were sincere in your commitment to being against, but to sit there and and handpick what's going to offend you and what's not going to offend you. You're an asshole. You know, you're just an asshole. Right? No. And and that's, that's it people is hypersensitivity seem to be more not adding people saying, you
know, none of this is cool. It seems to be more people saying, well, I object to that. And I object to that. And I'm Native American, and I'm trans and I'm, you know, I'm black and I'm Jewish, and objecting to individual things, because they touch home. And, you know, it's I like how it said, Either you're against any kind of thing
like that. Or if you accept that it's all, you know, funny, at least in a comedic sense, in a non malicious sense, because, like you said, comedians are having a hell of a time now.
Exactly, ya know, it's gotta be hard to not piss people off. And maybe for some of them, that's what they want to do is piss people off.
Well, yeah, I mean, you certainly have those guys. I mean, the old Don Rickles anybody remembers him? He was he was just in the audience. He's
hilarious. Yeah. I can't imagine him in today's world, though. I wouldn't
know who he was just insult the audience top to bottom. And then at the end you go, you know, he kept he would get all he said I never pick on the little guy. I only pick on the big guys and it's all in good fun. And everybody you're paid to go see it. And there's a fair chance he was an ailment you better chance but you know, that he probably couldn't
couldn't happen today. Couldn't Blazing Saddles happened today, with all the N word jokes in there and the Jew jokes and the native jokes and the rape jokes rape jokes in it, you know? But how could that movie even be made today? Doubtful.
No, no, no for I mean, I'm trying to think of the last good comedy that was made. There hasn't been a really, I mean, like the hangover was like 2010 or something like, a lot of those movies have been made in the last 10 years.
Yeah, yeah. It's just, it's crazy to think that that some and that's lady saddles is one of the great comedies. I remember seeing it on 42nd Street before 42nd Street became like a nice place to go. I lived in Manhattan in the 70s in the Serpico, 70s. And me and my buddy went to see Blazing Saddles. And, you know, 42nd Street. I mean, it was a large, urban pop people, African American people in there trying
to find the acceptable word. And I was rolling lap and my friend was freaking out, dude, come down, come down, we're gonna get our asses kicked. Because there's a lot of black folks in there, you know? Cleavon Little, that movie was co written by Richard Pryor. Right? Writing the jokes. And I stopped and I looked around the theater, and everybody was laughing. I said, Everybody's laughing. It's funny, man, relax, you know, but
But you know, this idea. We can let people if if the intent is fair, and equitable, people are willing to I think people are more willing to laugh at their own situations and laugh at themselves, and laugh at their ethnicity and their nationalities and their religion and all those things. You know, as long as there's no ill intent there, as long as that's a white supremacist going, you know, well, you know, they say, smile.
That's the magic word right there. And 10 I was talking about that, too. It's the same thing. Like, I think with comedy, the intent is just to make people laugh. And if they're doing if they're making fun of both sides, and I feel like that's fair game, but the the intent for people to that is not to be to make people laugh. It's just to hurt people. I mean, how do we deal with that? Because I feel like that's, that is a big problem in the world
today. Like if you go on social media, there's just a lot of like, nastiness and, and negativity. And I mean, how can we be more kind to each other? I did this video on kindness. Nobody fucking watched it. Nobody listens to me. But maybe they'll listen to you like, do you think that that's something that we can work on as a society right now?
And we work on civil discourse, you know, I mean, look, I don't suffer fools easily. Sometimes I go after him. And just for the people say, Why do you bother do it because it's fun. I considered a palate cleanser, when I'm working on different projects, sometimes I just go online and find a troll and just take them down, you know. But other times I tell people, This is what the block button is for. This is what the mute button is for. I prefer to mute by the way, I
attack them, then mute. So the screaming, screaming in the night and nobody's hearing them. Masterbox asked me that one. But you know, I mean, you know, and I just, we are not going to allow these people. But I just said I like to have fun with them picking on him and stuff. But for the most part, I'm not going to surround us allow these people into my world. If this is the way you're going to behave, and you want to talk civilly. You want to disagree with me.
You want to go at me, but it you know, fail and you don't mean intelligent, just conversational matter. Let's go. I always, always welcome that kind of discussion. But the just, you know, the slander and attack and threaten, you know, walk, no time for you. And you don't want I mean, look, I'm blessed. I, you know, these nighters bigger and scarier the closer you get, for some reason, and some reason people think I'm Saturday call, even when they're standing next
to me. You know, so I've never, oh, in all my competition, no one's ever come up to me on the street, and got in my face ever. They may have been down the walk, say, oh, that's the Schneider. And so I'm walking toward me. But but at the end of the day, they never come up and go after me. Why is that? Probably that's a big scary, okay, that's not a good excuse. Not everybody's big and scary. But at the same time, yeah. I think that people need to be
kinder to each other. People need to keep things to yourself. You don't have to tell us everything, all your dirty laundry. I mean, it's an old edict used to be a saying, the social situation, don't talk about religion, sports or politics. And that was just accepted. And people hung out and enjoyed those companies. And I have friends who I know I got one friend, close friend. He's a Boston fan. I'm a Yankee fan. I wear a Yankee hat. He was a
Boston hat. I've known him for 25 years, we hang out together. We've never mentioned our hats. Why? That's the end of us, because Yankee fans and Boston fans do not get along. If we start going down that road. Why do we start talking about that? Why do we have to talk about my religion? Why does my political beliefs why can't we just look at the Trump's I became friends with the Trump family, the whole
family, they were amazing. They were great to hang out with this was during my three seasons on and off the Celebrity Apprentice. And, and then you know, and when when, you know, when Trump started running for office, he called me up and said, Hey, I want to use what I'm going to take it. As I as my aunt has been. Absolutely, my friend. Yeah, that go for it. Within three months, I had called him up, I said, You got to stop. I didn't know that's what you believed in. And we'd
never talked about it. And we that hung out a lot. But there was no need to talk about that stuff. And I honestly don't believe he sincerely believes a lot of stuff. He says, I think whatever sells his product, he's all about finding, finding, being successful and winning at all costs. So if that's the audience is going to help them win. I don't believe I know, he's not super religious. I know these things. I know, he was a
Democrat. Up to the time he he signed on to be Republican because he saw gold in them there hills, you know. So, um, but you know, I said, I said, and you know what he said, Okay. And he stopped using it that night, you know, and I said, so I said, we call and, you know, and he said, because we're cool. We raise money for St. Jude's together, we, we've done so many charity events together, we said, you know, we don't agree politically, but of course,
we're cool. And but the point being, why do we have to be so in our fate in people's faces with our belief system today? Why do we have to wave a damn flag all the time? You know, and, and it's not just the right, the left is doing it to just shut the fuck up?
Well, okay, so that brings me to my next question. I'm sure you're gonna get asked about this a million times if you haven't already, but because you know, the article that came out about how you were supposed to be the grand marshal of the San Francisco gay pride parade. And then it was canceled because you retweeted Paul Stanley's thing about, I mean, I could
read the whole tweet. But basically, the way I understood it was just maybe slowing things down a little bit with transgender kids, in terms of leading him down that route to either transition as kids or have the surgeries or puberty blockers. And that's what I was kind of taking from it. But you you explain it to me,
Well, you know, I'm not being bribed with month, I'm not going to open that gaping wound. So much, people are just looking for me to say more. And I said it all and I, you know, they tried to cancel me, because I didn't see eye 100% eye to eye with a community that wanted me to be there. The three, the Grand Marshal of the parade, okay with the community that I've stood with, and fought for for decades. And all of a
sudden, one. As a parent, I disagreed with children's ability to make cognitive decisions at the age of five, six and seven. I have four children, and I soon will have any minute by the way, waiting for my fifth grandchild. And I, in my learning opinion, they are not capable, and I eat and I and, and they were like, canceled, you know, not just the show, but they went after me, you know, calling me transphobic so I, I'm a hell of a writer.
You read my book. You know, my speech in Washington that just flew us out today. I broke out the pen, which is biting a sword. And I I posted on Facebook people you go to its face Dee Snider and see what I said, although it was pretty covered in the, in the media. And, and Where's Paul Stanley apologize, I'm not apologizing. Now, when I do nothing wrong, I'm the first to apologize when I screw up. But you know, and I just laid it out. And they, you know, a couple of little pieces
here and there. These whining cancel on me, you're not shutting me up. And it's you know, and the big point was, you know, that community there the LGBTQ i A plus community, and what are the letters we're adding? They need the support of not just the people who agree with them 100% They need the support of the middle. And that's where most of us are the people of the middle to accept them and recognize their rights. And you know, and who they are.
But that does not mean we have to I use the word filthy, so filthy, and that and bow down to every little thing they say, who agrees with every single detail of what anybody says, you know, so um, so I just pushed back on it. Everybody backed off it was shocked because most people just apologize or curl up in the fetal position. But I don't know why did we begin I'm I wasn't kidding when I wrote we're not
going to take it. I couldn't believe the Washington wives in the 85 invited me to Washington me. You want me in that room? You want in Vince Neil in that room? You wanted to you want to die? That's done. Here's your action, you wanted that in your room. You didn't want to go wrong, we're not gonna take it. And you know, and the same goes, you're gonna go after we're not going to tell the guy we're not gonna take it you want we're gonna use my song to as a battle cry. Why? Because it's that
defiance. And I am, have lived by my words is nothing that's changed with me not saying I haven't grown and improved, my wife says, you're always trying to be better I am. And I'm a better man. But my basic belief system has never changed. And I still stand to believe in everything I've always sort of believed for. So um, don't come after me. It's the worst. I'm the worst person to come after. After because I'll come back after you. I remember this true story. You just have to press
turn. Someone said deal. He has an on switch. Love is great. During the during the hay day. You know, I lived on the big estate with the fence in the walls and all that stuff. And some kids climbed over and came with my property. I got my chainsaw started up and ran run. And after I was on the start. People don't believe me. Those people call them but our research shows that it's true. It's true. Don't come on my property. That's my property. Okay, I'm outside the gates. I'm
out in the streets. I'm the nicest guy in the world. How you doing? Nice to meet you. Yeah. Do you know if I can I'll take a picture and sign an autograph. Like, come on to my property. garage door goes up rock climbing back over the wall. Did you put on the
hockey mask too? Or?
No, I just had this mask the face. The D face. It's scary enough.
Okay, but so but to get back to me so you still support the gay community still support the trends? I am in the middle as well. I support everybody. You can look at the guests on my show. I've had gay people I've had. I've had Christian preachers on my show. I've had everybody how do we support everybody? I mean, how I want I love that you were friends with a Yankee fan or we started your yearly Yankee fan and he's a Red Sox
Austin fan? Yeah. So
how can we all as a society because I just feel like we're so divided. I mean, do we need a war? Do we just always need someone to hate we need to hate somebody else. So we can come together or how can we come together without
be to me it just needs to be acceptance, you know, acceptance of and you know what and thinking of white supremacist for example, I do not, I do not accept their belief system. And but for the most part, they live where they are surrounded by people who agree with each other, and go there and live there. And is it just but don't come into my community and start you know, causing problems like they did down in Virginia. And you know, and, and attacking people and
hitting people with cars. That's of course, you want to sit there in your own sad little world and hate the world and, and hate the fact that guess what, in another 100 years, everybody's gonna be tan. There's gonna be no white people. Everybody's inter intermarrying now, we're just gonna you know, when it'll be a better world when everybody's just tan, and handsome. Oh, it seems that the material isn't nice, nice brown tannish color, you know, that that's gonna be a
better world. When is the one where the white guys were the white guys now we're all just tan now. But you know, and let people be and let people as long as they're not interfering with your and forcing their way belief system upon you and interfering with your life. Let them you know, accept people. And I do accept people.
Less so because that's what it seems like that people are not accepting it. Oh, no. I mean, now you've got the I mean, what are your what's your take on this? Because now they're people are boycotting, but like people are boycotting target. And I mean, it just go back and forth. And then they call them transphobic. And then just keeps going back and forth. I'm like, how do we get out of this circle?
And you see the Kid Rock video? Yes. Did you see it slowed down? No. John Oliver waited it out. Where he shoots all the bud light with the with the mud. He's it's as you said, it's about 20 yards away. I'm a gun. I'm gonna advocate but I'm very much for intelligent gun control, you know, and I've got too many guns right in these cabinets right behind me. Don't get stuck with me. But if you slow it down, first of all, he's spraying all over the place. You
see off to the right. Like I don't know the rockets or something or fired to actually hit the target. Go watch it. Slow it down. It was unbelievable. It's so somebody is off camera hitting the actual because because you know kid looks like he's half in the bag. So kids happen the bag spraying is going all over the place is you know, AR and somebody is firing a large something and hitting the target for Kid Rock. It's pretty funny. But um, but you know, so the question I'm
sorry. I'm sorry, get sidetracked thinking about that. Yeah. Check that out. But, but the question, but the question was just so that
you I mean, what do you think of these boys? Because I just feel like it just keeps going back and forth. The sides keep daring each other. Oh, well, this pisses you off. Okay, so now the Dodgers are having these with anti-catholic Trans group coming. I feel like they're just trying to do this to piss people off.
Let's look at just remember, I'm saying to you, I'm saying to people listening, just remember, these, this, these people the loudest are such a small percentage on the right. And on the left, somebody asked me, he said, What's a moderate? And I said, in my, on my Facebook post, I said, I drive a Tesla. And I have a hard drive a Hummer. I said, I have too many guns are for intelligent gun control. I said, I have four children. And I advocated women's rights choose. I said, I'm a motorcycle riding
environmentalist. I said, I don't believe any of these things are mutually exclusive. That you can't drive an electric car and a gas guzzler? I don't believe that. And I said and I believe and I know that most of the people out there feel the same way. So you're not extreme left, where it's all or nothing over here, or extreme right? Where it's all over here. And you don't know what the matter is. Everything in between all
the range in between. Those are moderates, anybody who is willing to consider compromise, discussion? Negotiating. Anybody who's willing to have a discussion on a subject is a moderate today, because the extreme right, the extreme left, there's no room for look, look what happened me with the trans community? Because I disagreed with one aspect. What aspect? That's it, you canceled your
check cancel me. But anyway, and the right and right look what's going on, which won't get anything done with the right. And they just, they just vote against anything that makes sense, just for that sake of we're not giving an edge. So if you're anywhere between those extremes, if you think that we should actually compromise little welcome to the middle, welcome to the moderates, and welcome to the vast majority, the silent majority. Because we
don't speak I speak up. And most of the people in that middle. Don't really say too much. You know, we just started getting cancelled? Well, yeah, cancel, just trying to figure it out, just trying to get along, make the best of it. We just starting, you know, life is tough enough, we are taking these positions of just extreme positions that make you miserable. These people hang on to these theses, these beliefs. And it just it is as grimacing all the time. Smile, man, life
is pretty great. If you let it if you let it be. Well, you guys are out. You're ruining the party.
Oh, well said no, I agree. 100%, I think and that's the thing is like, is being kind to each other, even if you if you disagree, just try to be kind to that person. It'll make you feel better. Like scientifically, the hormones and the chemicals in your brain will feel better. If you try to be nicer. I just wish that we could get that message out to more people. Well,
it's there's so many things in play here, man, this is you know, and you're talking to a guy who's thought a lot about it. But we also deal in fact, a human nature. If it doesn't have the answer. Always thinks the worst. Always fills the blank in the negative and we don't know what our neighbors thinking. We think the worst of them. If if somebody doesn't show up for an appointment, we think they're standing us up. We don't think oh, maybe they had a flat tire. We always for some
reason. Just imagine like a negative in fill those blanks don't always assume that the other person is out to fuck you. I mean, that's not really the way it is. It really isn't the way it is. If you see a board that's equal. Yeah. And the COVID thing where he holds up with those with those two
rednecks. And he's in the house, he's being bought out and he's living with they took him in my son who's definitely more left and right, although all the left people are starting to come away because the left is too extreme now, they just don't, you know, it's like, I can't stand with these people because they're little crazy. But he said that
gave him hope. Because if you remember that scene, they were very you know, redneck and very right, but, but they took him in a stranger and gave him a place to stay. And when he started speaking about women, remember he was very, it was very demonstrative and talked about women like their cattle or something. They actually said, Hey, man, hey, man, you can't you can't talk like that. That's not good. That's so you know, my son. He pointed out he said, it actually gave me hope. They're
not like evil. He was on the right side the right. They're not evil people they're not.
And neither. I don't. I don't think I think most people are not evil. Yeah, the character in your book is evil. Okay, well, we'll go with that there are some evil, but I feel like most people are not. And if you sat down and had a conversation like we're having, with most people in this country, I think you'd find more common ground than more differences.
And, yes, there are, the Jimmy o character in my in France is a psychopath. They do exist, they do very damaged very morally, and mentally corrupt people that are just, they've got no, no, they, you know, they got no goodness, and they do exist. But most people, you're right, if you can sit down, but if people could just hold back on getting on the defensive. That's another thing. We seem like when we do sit down, we're poised for the other side to attack we're poised to attack to
fight back. Now, point we're, you know, we're already positioning ourselves for an argument or a debate. You know, I see this within my own family. I've got, you know, siblings, six, six of us and, or Trump tubers, and they're very, not all of them. Two of them are possibly hostile, can even have a conversation without them going on the attack and going, Hey, man, we just have a talk, you know, again, can we acknowledge that maybe neither side is completely right or
completely wrong? Yeah. You know, they're that extreme. Where then you're shut down. So you gotta, you know, people just go sit down, but don't be so defensive. Don't be ready to attack. Just given us give it a damn second.
Yeah, no, I that's, that's great advice. I mean, well, you mentioned that Trump and it's so interesting. You said you hung out with him, and he's different than what he portrays, how is he different? What is it like to hang out with Trump?
Well, no, I don't think he's, he's much different in that regard. He's just, he doesn't I don't believe his political belief system. Is this hard. Right. As you know, it, look where it comes from. It comes from New York, he was a Democrat. I know, he's not a churchgoer. And I don't keep
track of it. But I just know, you know, I mean, you know, we were shooting on Sundays, if I remember, he serves, we were filming celebrity friends on Sundays, you know, and it's his show, no devout, no devout Christians shooting on a Sunday. You know, so, you know, it just wasn't, there wasn't that antagonistic attitude, if anything, now, it's a bit of a star wrapper. So, you know, he likes celebrity. But, but anything, it was more of a
positive thing. You know, everybody was all like, it was more upbeat in conversation and attitude and vibe. There was no cynical this there was no spark. There was no, it was you see, constantly smirking. Nationally, you know, looking down and it was, it was more, he was more relaxed and conversational. And just in the moment, a, you know, not, not not and his kids were, were great. They don't drink,
they don't get high. They, they are intelligent, you know, they, I mean, speak with me to speak with them person, the person, whoever, it was very reasonable, and very normal, you know, and there was a, and then on that show, there was such a wide range of characters from the, from the right to the left, and
everybody got along. Because prior to Trump people did not just view their venom endlessly on both sides, you know, their belief system, you know, so, you know, it's just, there's ways to get your point across his ways of achieving your goal without getting ugly without getting nasty, you know, it's gonna, everything's gonna take compromise, and everything's
going to take negotiation. And if you think it's going to be everything you want, or everything they want, that's not the way the world works.
No, it's definitely not. I feel like you need to go back to Congress and get them to, like, work together with you. I feel like they're just fighting each other and getting nothing done. Like you should go speak about give this lecture to them.
I went back with Washington with the Grammy committee. They were this was a few years ago, was called Grammys on the hill, and we're pushing for better royalty rates, and people go, Oh, yeah, well, you wish guys need to be richer. Now. It's really more about not the small musician, you know, I mean, yeah, we get if the big record sellers get a bigger piece of the royalties or whatever, yeah, they're just getting richer and richer, but for the majority of artists who
are smaller artists. It's they don't, they're barely getting by on their royalties and stuff. So it's a huge difference to them. So we went The fight for everybody. And what a difference. A couple of decades man. I went into the Capitol building I went into and met with senators, they, when I went there and the 85, I was at, you know, and I left came home, I had marks all over my body where they were poking me with 10 foot poles. I mean, I was a scourge
of the earth. The senators left and right, we're running out of their offices to meet me and shake my hand and take a picture. They all knew. I guess they knew. Okay, we're not gonna same mistake again. Nancy Pelosi, Kevin McCarthy. All of them a day. Come on in. Come on in how you doing? Sam? Sit down. So good to see you. Oh, he treated me so much different. But well, I'm not complaining. It's incomplete.
That's a good one. That's great. Well, yeah, I mean, because that's what you you have to do now. You can't get the music royalty. So you do that's why you're writing books and movies and acting and doing all this other stuff, right?
Well, you know what, this is a another piece of the puzzle, as my wife likes to say, I want to be rich and famous. I grew up in a lower middle class neighborhood, I was the oldest of six, I was six born eight years. Soon as I was like, I was born, okay, you're on your own, we got more kids coming. And you know, and so and, and how's it gonna get to be rich and famous? Well, I was good in sports, but
not great. But I could sing I love rock and roll and how I'll be a rock star, I'm gonna be a rich, famous rock and roll store. So to me, it was not about just doing it for the love of it. Although Believe me, for many, many years, it was the love was the only thing you had. But it was always at least you had the dream that I might be able to strike oil, I might be
able to get rich doing this. And I was able to when I did, the core musicians today, I got to see so many these young bands, they do it purely out of love, and they have new hope of getting rich from it. They're just hoping to sell enough TV T shirts to get to the next town. So it breaks my heart to see that. And I come from a place where yeah, this was a career choice. And I took a big chance on it, you know, I put all my eggs in one basket. And if it failed, I would have been shut
out of luck. You know, so, but but at least like I said, it was I was I had a goal that I could actually be successful in this business. So I don't really want to once you you've had your records on the radio, you've had your videos on MTV, you've, you've sold millions of records, your your songs are appreciated and respected. It is very hard to just write for yourself again, unless at least for me. So now when I'm writing a book, I'm not expecting to be a best seller. I am doing it purely out
of love. I write screenplays and but there's always the hope that one of these things could you know, maybe somebody will buy pick up the book for a movie or maybe it'll actually start selling a lot of copies. You always want the hope that the effort that you're putting in could pay off in the music business. That's gone.
Yeah, we'll see you say you wanted to be rich and famous. So I mean, why why the famous part though, because the rich I mean, you could have been rich by being a stockbroker or being like a band manager
attention. There's a there's a graphic novel coming out next month. Well, he's not going to take it on z two comics. And they graphic novels. Those are comic books, but they're more adult aimed and more serious in their content, less about superheroes, although I am pretty heroic. But it's and they wanted to know why you d How did you become had that moment in time, line up with your trajectory, where you became the voice that spoke out and to this day is resonates?
You know. And so they go back to my me being born literally opening my eyes for the first time in the crib. And I was the oldest, the firstborn in all the families. So all the siblings, my father and also my mother had no children. I was born so I was Simba. You know this girl, they held me up and everybody just bow down before the great and powerful D, the Baby D. And then as it is with if you ever have kids, but it seems like everybody starts getting married at one time all your friends.
Your friends will start having kids. Well. All my mother and father siblings start having babies like it was a competition. And I told you within my mom had six kids and within eight years, and I went from being like the only child, the golden child to being sort of like okay, next and like take care of yourself. Here's your sister and your cause. Since and they're all here and in the comic book is pretty funny because you see, just me with all the aunts and uncles and the
grandparents. And then slowly, I'm being pushed to the back. And this is mob of children. And I'm just like in the back, like trying to get attention. And that's why I want to be famous. I wanted attention. For a moment, for a brief moment, I had all the attention in the world. I was the golden child, I wanted to be the golden child again, had to be famous.
Do you think that's a problem in society today, though, that too many people want to be famous because with social media, like, I feel like everyone's an Instagram model or Tik Tok star, or, like you said that the younger bands are doing it for the love of the music, like, I question if some of them are doing it just to be famous and to get recognition, which, if it's recognition for, you know, their art, I think that's okay. But a lot of it I mean, a lot of people are seeking fame to be fame.
Well, these bands that I'm going to seeing at these at these metal shows, my kids are all metal heads. You know, they're not celebrities, they're not rich. And, but I'll see passionate, a few 1000 passionate bands, seeing every word, every word, and the bands, just putting everything they've got like college football players, they may not be a professional, you know, in college, they said they put more into it, because they don't know
what they're gonna make it. You know, they're given everything they got, that's what the bands are doing. So I know for a fact, these bands are getting real fame, maybe a notoriety within their group of people, but they're not getting that international acclaim that, that I was afforded it during my time. So I don't really see that with them. But yeah, people want to be famous for doing nothing.
And that's what scares me. I mean, when you talk about, you mentioned the mass shootings, I feel like that's a piece of that to where some kids just like, I just want people to know who I am. And this is a way to do it.
Yeah, infamous or famous. But you know, we're doing nothing or exposing themselves or, you know, acting out on on social media, you know, the sort of the Jackass framework of, you know, what can I do that will get me will get me more hits and more more likes, you know, the, like, the whole light machine. Yeah, that's a sad reality. You know, I've got grandkids who are, you know, are YouTubers, and what are you doing? They're playing video games. And there are people who post play video
games. And they've got millions of followers, and they live videos. They're entertaining in their banter, I guess. And I guess that's one of the reasons or they're good at the game. But it doesn't seem like a really good reason. It doesn't seem like a real achievement or craft, or something. And by the way, anybody out there who's watching this, and sort of snickering going, Hey, welcome back to Earth. Yes, what AI is coming for you. Just like our
jobs have been taken away. Your jobs being taken away, I guess, wants you to see exactly what it feels like, when nobody wants to pay you for what you do anymore. Because they can get it for free. So have fun.
Yeah, no, that's exactly right. It scares the shit out of me, because I think it's coming for so many jobs. What are we going to have left to do as humans? I don't know. It's kind of it's going to
be the manual labor. Ai Well, you got several robots and stuff and stuff. But the jobs that will be left to you know, landscapers and gardeners and you know, garbage collectors. You know, he's manual labor. Good stuff. Good. So I would have said, you know, I always said you think your jobs important? You think you're you're important. Put it next to a garbage man. What happens you stop doing your job and I'll and I'll say this, I stopped doing my job. People don't get a
concert. They don't get a song. They're not entertained. When I was a garbage man stops collecting. Pestilence.
Right? No, my guess. My dad, he's based on similar like, my brother would be like, I worked really hard. He's like, you worked in an air conditioned office. My gardener now he works hard. He's out there.
Exactly. When we've had we've had any city that's had a garbage collection strike. You know how fast the rats grow? And how fast that disease and it becomes ugly quick. They want to it was important garbage man on board and get the garbage the hell out of my front yard.
Yeah, and truck drivers. But I think what you do, too, is like, I mean, besides just entertaining, I think you inspire people. And I think that's definitely something that's kind of lacking right now. That's why I mean, it's nice to have this conversation with you, because maybe people will get inspired from that.
I hope so. I mean, I mean, you know, and if I do that for people, you know, I will continue to do that for people because I think people do need to be reminded they knew do need to be lifted up. They do need to be told that their voice matters. And it doesn't have to be screaming at the other guy. He just has to be boat, get out there and just do the things that really make a difference.
And do not allow people to walk on you control you, dictate to you, because that's what they want to do with all this gerrymandering that's going on, they are trying to control the board. They want to control the board, they want to control us. And even, you know, the media. You know, media is feeding the fires on the left and right, we got we got radio stations and television stations that are just met, just just making the argument worse and not looking
to comment. They're looking to get the flames roaring, because that's good ratings for them. That's what gets people watching. That's what gets people paying attention. You know?
Yeah, no, I thought that was interesting. I heard you talking about how you, you turned down an offer from a pharmaceutical company that they wanted to use you and your song for some sort of like pain medication. And you said, No, I don't want to do even though it was a lot of money. I was like, Wow, that's pretty ballsy that you would turn them down.
i Well, you know, I'll be honest, I'm not going to be a liar. You know, I took a look. And I tried to try to find my vaginal dryness, which was how I justified that women's pre menopausal pain medication. That Twisted Sister used this song on many years ago. And they started telling me what it does. Oh my god, women's pre medical. Come on, man. What happened to the band? What does it do a wave, it stops vaginal dryness. I'm against that, okay. They can use my song.
I can rationalize that one. Yeah,
so I'm not gonna lie to you, you know, I wanted to take the deal. I was looking at it and you know, turn it around. The other day, it was a damn opioid. And it was that was Opie I can't do it. Couldn't do that. But I did try to find some justification, you know, upon your vaginal dryness, and run with it. But you know, so it wasn't that black and white. Like, you know, the Snyder takes a stance, I'm not gonna lie to you, I'm human. I'm not, I'm
human. You know, 47 years with the same woman, I'm human, I've dealt with the same things that that all couples have dealt with all, you know, it hasn't been wedding blessed. We've been to, we've been to, you know, I mean, we marital bliss, I should say, we are super close. And it's unbelievable. But we've been to counseling three times, over the
47 years. And we nearly broke up at one point I wrote about in my book, you know, it's a, it's a it's no secret, because we're humans, you know, stuff happens, but this guy tried to be the best human you can people just try to be a little better human. Don't give into your, you know, your, your darker side.
Ya know, 47 years. That's, that's amazing, especially in the entertainment business. It's very rare.
It is rare, and it is, you know, and, and, you know, I don't I wave it out as a flag of like, who can meet up? What does that mean? You know, it's it's like it believe it? We're still here, you know, because it's tough. Right? This time, stuff happens, you know, and, and you want the only constant is change. You know, that's my father said to me. And it's true, you know, it's not a
set it and forget it scenario. I remember when my wife brother was murdered, and in the streets of New York, I mean, what she went through the Depression, stuff like that, that that was a test it test for relationship. You know, it's, you know, she was going through credibly hard
time. But as we say, well, this, you know, for better for worse, is the worst part, you stick it out, you hang in there, you know, she's going through hell, you know, and you know, and you're, you're getting receiving a lot of it, because it's such a nightmare. But, um, but this is, you know, you just gotta keep working at it. And that's the game that is the game. Keep working at it.
Yeah, I've heard that from a lot of people who have successful marriages. Like there's a lot of stories like that where there was bad times, and they just stuck with it. And now they're happier for it.
Well, the revelation, the first time we went to a marriage counseling, was the counselor said, What do you think the difference between couples get divorced and couples that stay together is how my wife and I went with infidelity. Finances, you go down the list, because now the problems are all the same. There's a couples that stay together won't accept divorce as an option. Once you take that off the table, all you're left with is figuring it
out. And that was like, Well, you know, so are we going to be the ones who say, let's, we're divorced, you know, where we're going to be the ones that say, We're doing that? We got kids, we got a family, we got responsibilities. So let's figure it out. You know, and that's and that, and so, any married people out there listening? That's a huge thing to know. And what do you what are you training for men and women? You know, the definitely,
you know, versus Delhi. You think it's gonna be that much better. You think it's gonna be that much better. You know? We're all idiots. We're just trying to figure it out. You're just trying to figure it out, you know, so you got one that's pretty workable. Stick with them try to be workable. That's one thing you know, try to negotiate a little this back to negotiating. Try to compromise. Try to change try. Try to work
on it. You both sides. You know as long as you got that going for you, you'll make it.
That advice good stuff. Well the book is out now and then you have some movie stuff coming out to like calla callicoon. Is that the movie? You're you have coming.
I can't believe that it's on there. I don't know where that came from callicoon is on my IMDB page. Yeah, I don't know where that's from. If it ever was a discussion, it's like 20 something years ago, and I didn't I don't. And I don't even know what that is. So no, I mean, but to me, like, are you gonna hear more music from the side or not outside of a movie or I've got a an animated show that I co created called
monsters rock. It's over peacock right now being developed on writing music for that outside of that stuff. No, you won't. You know.
I had another cameo in Cobra Kai.
No, but I am I did get over a role in a new Ben Affleck Adam Sandler movie, which is pretty cool. Oh, yeah. Yeah, not playing rock star not playing doing a cameo, actually an acting role, which is really cool. It's been pushed back obviously because of striking going on now. But and I'm gonna be directing a movie I wrote called My enemy's enemy. Again. Once things calm down with the
strike. And now the that we've a looming Screen Actors Guild strike, the Screen Actors Guild members, which I'm a member of voted to strike 97% voted if we don't, if our negotiations don't go well. So and, and so we were already on the picket lines with the Writers Guild. So anyway, so that's pushed back that stuff. And I've got well, I've got my Funko Pop coming out. Any day. It's already Yes. That's pretty cool. The side of Funko Pop,
look for that story. Soon. We got the graphic novel, what else is happening? I know I'm missing so many things, but Well, directing, writing, acting. That's enough, isn't it?
That's a lot. You're busy man. Well, people can follow me on social media to keep up and I'll put your website in the show notes. And then I always end with it promoting to charity. I think last time we talked about you promote a charity for homeless veterans and also Melissa's wish those tips his
wish. Yeah, I'm still championing Well, yeah, the homeless veterans. I, we when we did our celebrity, Family Feud, it was almost veterans and and we wound up winning like 25 grant them, which was cool, because I mean, the homeless situation is just unconscionable. It's just insane. But the idea that there are vets who are homeless is just unconscionable. That's unconscionable. I mean, people have served our country that they should be on the streets. It's just I just don't
understand. And many of them are because they've got issues, you know, that?
Because you're talking about that there's a homeless vet in your in your book. Is that part? Is that part of the book? True?
Um, no, but it's based on you know, it's based on that they they're out there on the street, that the story that happens with that homeless guy? Yeah, I don't want to give it away. But it's true. Okay, that's true. Okay, horrible truth. But I just decided to put a little bit back that he was almost dead, just to, it doesn't need to be Richard, that this person was murdered. And again, that's like, give me too much how it happened. The interesting part. But, you know, it doesn't
need to be Richard. But just the plight of the homeless veterans just just just hangs over there. So um, yeah. So check out the book. I can write, he can tell you. And I've been writing for about 40 years now screenplays and stage plays and articles. So I've gotten really good at the craft. It's my third book. And it's something I love and I love about it is I can be anybody, any age, any color. As long as what are the words on the page resonate with the reader?
Doesn't matter. That of 68 year old former rock star, white guy, Grandpa, you know, it doesn't matter. It just, it's what's on the page. It's the art of the art resonates with the people, it doesn't matter who painted it. You know, it doesn't matter. I really like to get out of the spotlight aspect of things, and be a little more behind the scenes. Although I doubt that's ever going to happen because I'm too damn outspoken.
Yeah, you're know, so what I would frats Would you ever turn that into a screenplay and a movie?
I would only it's, it's perfect. It's so much like the outsiders or the wanderers that people know those movies are based on books. And you know, it's a gang thing was set in 70 suburbia. It's perfect for that. But I'd like to see someone else want to do it. You know, I've written the book. It was about movie studio wants to make a movie, you know? I welcome that opportunity.
Okay, cool. Well, thanks so much for joining us. I'll let you get to the next one. And we'll talk again I'm sure
you pleasure. Yeah. And so keep your eyes open for all the things I told you about. Absolutely. Thanks so much. He's not gonna take it next month on T two comics. I can't wait. Alright.
Well, there you have it a lot to think about from D. Schneider. A new book France is out in November, you can preorder it now on Amazon. Make sure to follow D on social media to keep up with all his latest projects. Sounds like he's a very busy man. You can support both D and the show by liking and sharing this episode on social media. And make sure to subscribe to the show wherever you listen to keep up with future episodes. I appreciate all your support.
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