Vanity down with the heavy stars rock and rolling through the cool guitars shops got the questions digging so sharp, feeling back, layers hitting the heart.
Hey, what's going on. How are you pretty good. Is that a dog in the background? Is he? Yeah,
that's juniper. Oh, nice.
Well behaved. Then we'll be barking on the call or anything. Nah, definitely not. Oh, perfect. What is that a wait? What is that? Is that a Xena, the warrior princess cardboard cutout? Yeah, it is, oh, I didn't even see her face. I just that's from the body I could recognize it.
She's got a little IKEA hat on. Yeah,
I like this. I like, I like looking to see what you have back there that's exciting, rather than just a boring, white background
as a very boy room.
Is this your studio or this is where
I live, this is where I live. Brother,
do you know you guys? Do you do some pod podcast of your own? Right? It's like a with, like, a joint thing or something,
um, I do a game show with my two best friends. It's like, I'm, I don't, it's a game show. It's kind of like, somewhat movie, the acting trivia, kinda, but not really. It's, it's in the film and TV world, but it's, it's just a silly game show I created.
Okay, so what is your what is your wheelhouse, in terms of movie and besides, Xena the warrior Prince, do you like all, like sitcoms and stuff too, or like all over or do you have a
certain I like, I like everything I lately, I've been into, like, a lot of horror. I just saw Final Destination bloodlines
yesterday. Oh, really, how was that I was I wanted to see that. I liked it. Actually liked
it. I mean, obviously it's like, one of those where it's, yeah, it's in anxiety inducing, but his fine is a fun one. Yeah,
I just went back and watched all the other ones. So I was caught up to, I didn't realize somebody said that part five was a prequel, which I was like, Oh, I didn't think I noticed that.
Yeah, I don't. I don't know. I don't think I even saw that one, to be honest. Yeah,
there's so many movies and sequels and remakes now and reboots, it's like, it's hard to keep up with everything. Yeah,
and then that all the trailers for the the movie was all horror films, and like, half of them were, like, reboots or remakes, like they're doing, uh, what is coming out? I Know What You Did Last Summer.
Oh, right, right, right, yeah, I remember that with, uh, Jennifer Love Hewitt back in the day. She's in the trailer.
So she's in this one. Okay, so Jeanette and Freddie Prince? Oh, wow, yeah.
I haven't seen him in anything in a long time. Yeah. I love when they say, like, I think I saw one of these on Jennifer Love hewer, where they're like, Jennifer Love Hewitt. She's unrecognizable. It's like, you mean she got older, like, some years, like, yeah,
yeah, no, work done. Just, just getting old. Yeah,
if you don't do work, you you get older. It's a crazy idea, that's like, Hollywood doesn't understand it. But, yeah, dramatic. Did you see that George went died? Or do you know who that is?
I don't think so. I mean, I've heard the name. Let me
look. Have you ever watched cheers? Might be you might be too young. No,
I did not watch tears. I didn't I know what it is. Yeah,
he was a bit. He was the star that show. He just died, like I just saw that right before. We jumped on there. It's crazy. I had, you know, comedian Ron on
hershberg, yeah, so funny, so funny. Yeah, I
had him on a few years ago. So crazy. We're sitting there talking, and he's like, Oh my God, and he's checking his phone. He goes, Oh norm McDonald died. I was like, Oh my God. And they'll like, change the whole like episode. I was trying to add all these questions for him. Then I was like, he's like, Norm, McDonald's, one of my favorite comedians. So to find that out, in the middle of the interview, it was so crazy. It just shifted the entire vibe of the
interview. I was like, I don't want to talk about now,
well, I don't really know who the whence guys is, so I think the vibe will stay the same, yeah,
I know. I mean, I was like, a I was a fan of it's like, I think that's one thing. Because how old are you? Younger, right? You're like, in your what 20s or no, I'm 34 you're 34 early 30s. Oh, yeah. So you haven't really experienced it like as much. But what's weird, the older you get, the more people you know, more celebrities, your friends, your The more people you know that die. It's kind of, it's this weird thing. It's kind of like, depressing, yeah,
no, I'm no, I'm kind of seeing it. I'm kind of seeing it now I'm seeing a lot of those, uh, I'm just like, realizing a lot of the people that I grew up watching are just like, I. Like, all the people who my age that I would see on TV were all, they're all, like, moms, dads on TV. Now it's like, Oh, wow. Like I was thinking about this, like, I used to watch Rugrats growing up, right? And now I'm like, Oh, I'm like, actually, the age of the parents, and I don't relate, you
know? Yeah, I'm not, I'm not relating to the Rugrats anymore, just I'm the age of the parents. And that's kind of crazy to me.
Yeah, that is something that is weird. When you watch movies when you're a kid and it's a family movie, or whatever, there's a parents in it, and there's the kids, and you re you relate to the kids when you're a kid, and then you get older, you relate to the parents. You're like, Oh, I I see where they're coming from. I see why that dad is so angry. I feel that pain
now. I look back on Rugrats, I was like, he owned a house. That's crazy. What? How? Yeah,
that is a crazy thing with the your generation. It's it's really hard to own a house, whereas I feel like, in the 1950s and 60s, like that was the American dream. You could buy a house for like, nothing. It was like, so cheap, and now the housing prices are outrageous. It's insane. I don't know if they're going to be able to buy people are going to be able to buy houses. Yeah.
I mean, I hope the dream is to make it in this business and buy a house. Me and my girlfriend were actually talking about it a little bit ago, and we're like, you. We were both like, you better make it so we can buy a house.
The pressures on you. What does she? Is she in the business too? Or, what is she? She
is no, we're both. We're both pressuring each other. Like, hey, you better book something quick. We're running out of time. Yeah.
I mean, do you because the thing is, I feel like now everyone's got to do like, multiple things. Like, back in the day, you could just be a comedian, now you got to be a comedian, podcaster, do social media, act, write, produce, like all these other things.
Yeah. And it's like, if you don't do another thing, it's like you're gonna, you're, you're gonna get left in the dust. You gotta do everything now, I think it's just because if you do everything you're it's kind of easier for everyone else to, like, hop on what you're doing. You know,
like, yeah, you notice that? Is that how you have fall grown most of your following is through clips with comedy and social media.
Yeah, most of the most of it has been off clips. And I'm not, I'm I need to post more like, I know, like, I'm not like the social media guru person, but a lot of my following has come from just like, a random clip popping off.
Yeah, I heard you say something about how some of the clips that don't do well, it's because you felt like the joke wasn't finished. But if the joke is finished, then it usually does pretty well.
Yeah, I've noticed. I've noticed, if like, because sometimes I'll panic post and I'll just chop up something real quick, because I'm like, oh, I need a post. I need to post. And then I post it, and then, obviously, in like, a couple weeks, or like a month, I like, look back at it. I'm like, Oh, this wasn't that good. The joke is so good now I wish I waited to post it. Now, when the joke is like, better, and I noticed that, I've noticed sometimes when I panic post, it
doesn't do good. But when, when I sit on a joke and I finish it and then I put it out, it does way better this it does well, yeah,
it seems like the process from for me. I mean, I'm not a comedian, but I interview a lot, and it seems like what they do is they will do, you know, get this material, practice it, take it around the country, and then hone it, and then do a special, and then you post the special, then you chop up the special into little bits, and then you post all the bits, and then you start a new Pro, and then you just start the process all over again. Yeah,
yeah. I mean, that's what the plan. The goal is for this year is to shoot something and then do that, because I haven't shot a special or anything yet, so I would I would, I would, like to, yeah,
but you do have, like, professional shot, like, I don't know it was like, the don't tell comedy or so, like, you have stuff that's professionally shot. Is that from, like, a, like, a group thing where they just gave you, like, 10 minutes or something, or, yeah,
yeah. So those are just, they're called, I think they're called Secret sets. And they just hand pick whoever they want, and then you get a little tiny 10 minutes hit, I guess you maybe it's like a miniature special, but it's short set, and they put it out and see what happens.
Yeah, no, I mean, because that's, that's, I think that's how I Found You was, uh, I watched some of your clips and stuff, and I was like, Oh, this stuff is great. And then you have then you have, you did James Corden, I think, I mean, that was a while ago, but were you able to chop up the bits from that? Or does he own those?
No, I was able to chop them up. I just they, they sent me. I think that either they sent me the set, I don't know, I don't remember, but, or I just took it off YouTube. Either way, they didn't say. Anything when I post, okay, so I think it's okay, and the show's gone. So they can't really do anything. They can't come after me. But, yeah, but that was like before. I think when I did that, that was before clips was even a thing. I don't think, yeah, I don't think when, when that came
out. Reels weren't a thing yet, Real Reels came out, like, maybe a few, like post pandemic, I think. And then,
yeah, I do remember, like, because Mark Norman, that's how I discovered him, was around the same time, 2019, and I think you're right. I don't think it was reels, though. I think it was just Instagram videos.
Yeah, you could just post a video and it would just the nobody was captioning. It was just like, sometimes you just post a video, and then for a minute, I was like, anti do that. But now it's like, you have to do it. But at the beginning I was like, but it looks nice, right now, you know, back then it was just like, it looked kind of like, it was just like, almost like a home video.
You know, it was like a tiny little square, nobody was doing long, like, you just post videos, but then later, when the reels came out, I actually, like, chopped it up and put it out, and then it did. Some of them did pretty good.
Yeah, that's the tough thing, too. And then you can, you can also, I think what a lot of comedians seem to do now is they because to keep up, because obviously, if you're honing a special, you don't have, you know, five days of material every week. But I think what a lot of comedians post is their crowd work,
yeah, lot of crowd work, because that's just the easiest to clip farm. I think you know what that means, right? Yeah, okay,
get from, get clips from. Yeah. Never heard that term, but that makes sense.
Yeah, that's definitely the easiest thing to do, because you could just, it's a new moment every time. So like, when you're doing crowd work, it's rare, like, the same thing pops up. So, yeah, it's a good way of getting followers. And I do it too. Everybody does it. I think you kind of have
to do you like, crowd work, because, like, to me, that always seemed like the hardest part to think on your feet and to have the joke like, boom. Like, right away, like to react. But comedians, they always tell me, like, oh, that's the easiest part,
because you you get used to it, like, after you do it enough times, like, it's it becomes like a reflex, like, how to think on your feet and stuff, like, you just do it enough times you get good at it. And when I first started, I wasn't in a crowd where comedian at all. I was like, kind of anti, not anti that. But I was kind of too scared to do it, you know? I was just like, I wrote these. Just say, appreciate these, and I'll, I'll do whatever. But then I started doing it, and then it became
really fun and less scary. And sometimes it's just like, you get tired of your jokes, and sometimes you just want to connect and be loose, you know. Maybe it's like, you're super drunk on a second show on a Friday, and you're like, I don't want to do this anymore, you know. And then you just, you just breath, have fun with the audience. And I think the audience like, likes it, you know sometimes, yeah,
that's like, one of the comedians I've had on a couple times. Do you know Rhino flan again at
all? Not personally, but yeah, I know who that is. Yeah,
I think he's, he's pretty funny. And he, I went to his show because I watch a lot of his, like short video. He does more like skit kind of humor. But I haven't seen a lot of his stand up, so then I finally went to see a stand up and like, I was like, Oh, this is kind of like, you're just hanging out with him. Like he's just, like riffing. It was a lot of crowd work. And he said that's how he likes his shows to be, like you're just hanging out with him. And I was like, I like
that. That's actually, like a fun show to go to.
Yeah, I feel like audiences love, I mean, I think everybody loves authenticity. So when you're doing crowd work, you're kind of just like you're chilling, they get to see kind of the real you and, like, how you react to things, and it's a fun moment.
Yeah, I think that you nailed it right there, authenticity, because that's, that's what I love about comedians now, because if you look at back at the history of comedy, like when comedians first started, even through, like the 80s and 90s, I feel like a lot of jokes were very it's almost too scripted, like how they're telling, you know, if you watch a lot of comedy, you can almost figure out where the joke is going. Yes, I don't
like that. I think that this new style of comedy, where there's more crowd work and more authenticity, and even when you're telling a joke, it doesn't sound like you're writing a joke. It sounds like you're just talking like your joke about how I love your joke about how you're like, I'm an Asian dude with glasses. Yeah, look smart. I mean, that just sounds like you're just thinking out loud and Oh,
thank you. Yeah, yeah. Me, personally, I try to, like a lot of the bits that I'm doing now, it kind of, I try to add, make sure I add an aspect of, like I talk to the audience, so it's kind of like I'm doing plan crowd work, just so I can
get clips and stuff. But it's in the like, the either the beginning or the middle of the bit, where I have the full bit, like I could do the bit without the crowd work, like the bits there, but I do like to add, like, I have a bit about how I used to be a preschool teacher, right? And it's on my Comedy
Central set. But now, if I still do the bit, I just ask if there's any teachers in the audience, and then we talk about teaching for like, a few minutes, and then I get to hear people's experiences, so it doesn't feel as it's just a bit. Now it's just like, Oh, it's a bit. But let me hear how you, how y'all feel about what you were like when you were teaching and stuff like that. And then it goes back into the bit. I've been doing that a lot,
okay, because I just, I can't remember if this is I get so mixed up sometimes because I watch so many clips and comedy. Were you the one that had the bit about where you asked the guy, like, how long they've been teaching? And they said, like, 40 years. And they're like, Oh, we so you were around when you used to be able to hit kids, or, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah.
So, yeah, I'll do that. Like, I'll just, I'll do that. And, like, I don't need to do that, that, that part, but I just do it because it kind of gets me out of, like, because, you know, I do these bits all the time, like, every weekend, you know, the same bits, like running the hour and stuff like that. So that that little section just gets me out of the
what is it called? Like the repetitiveness, you know, I It feels more fun and interactive and improv like, so I'm not bored just reciting the same thing I've been saying this whole weekend, you know?
Yeah, so do you have kind of, like, almost canned responses to some of these things that people say? Or, like, because what do you do if someone throws a curveball, like, just react, and then it's you're able to just make it funny because it's weird, or,
yeah, I'll react. Definitely. I'll react. I'll find something. But a lot of the times when I'm doing these, yes, some people say the same exact thing, and I can, I'll just say what I said to the last person and and it still works, okay? But then someone will throw, I like when people throw me the curveballs, because then that's, that's a new that's a new clip right there, or that's a new thing I can add to the arsenal,
yeah, and then, how do you deal with the hecklers? Do you have your canned responses for that as well? You know,
it's crazy. I never get heckled, really, never, like, of course, it's happened. Maybe I want to say just a handful of times I don't get heckled ever. I don't know what it is. Someone once told me when I got off stage that I'm awkwardly comforting. That was my vibe. They're like, your vibe is so awkwardly comforting. And I can see that like in a lot of my bits, and how I talk, and like, the style of my comedy, like, I don't think it opens it up for people to yell at things at me, but
some people are just drunken assholes and they it doesn't it has nothing to do with you. Or like, if you're a good comedian or bad, or like, they're just drunk and they're just gonna
yell shit. That's true that luckily, like, that's only happened to me a couple of times. Yeah, I've never really had to deal with like, a crazy, crazy drunk person. Oh, there's one one that and I got a bad Yelp review on that one.
Wait, how do you have a Yelp page? Or
no, the the club that I was performing at, they got a bad Yelp review, and they're like, Hey, what happened last night? And I was like, I'll tell it after this. But, yeah, I don't get heckled that often, and I think it's because the energy I put out. It's like, like, I'm not scared, but I feel like people watch me, and they're like, We shouldn't bother this kid, you know, he's I don't, I don't, I don't feel like, I give out, like, aggressive energy. So no one
really comes at me. They're just like, Oh, he's chilling up there. Why bother him? Like, kind of thing they Yeah, I was doing this club, and this is my fault too. I shouldn't have done it, but I was in Texas, and I have this bit I love to do about how I like California, and it's just a bit about how California is great. And the punch line is like, I think California is like, people are like, Oh, California is so nice. Why is there so much crime? Why is there so much crime in
California? And I'm like, Yeah, because our criminals are just better, you know? And then, but I couldn't even get to that part. I was trying to live. I was just doing the premise. And then there's this lady in the audience, and she was like, California fucking sucks. You know, you're in Texas right now, like, you can't be doing this kind of. Yeah, but the bit in the end, kind of shits on California, it kind of saying, like, because crime is not, criminals aren't good, you know
what? I mean, yeah, you know that's not a good thing to be bragging about. So, but she wouldn't even let me get to that. And then she was just, like, naming off, like your your taxes are fucking joke like, just naming, just like, she was so upset that I even was just like, California was cool, yeah and yeah. Probably shouldn't have done it in Texas, but it's not like something to like. She wanted to fight me. She like, wanted to, like, fist fight me. That
seems like a great place to have a debate about this is during a comedy show, while the comedian is talking, yeah, and it's
not like, I was shitting on Texas. I was like, Oh, I love Texas. I think Texas is great. Which
part of Texas was it Houston? Ooh, yeah, that's like, is that like, which is
my second, like, favorite comedy city outside, outside of, like, San Francisco, where I'm from, but, yeah, I love Houston so much, but
never been to Austin. I want to go back there. Now that Rogan has a club there, like, I don't know if I can get in. It seems like it's like, kind of like there's a waiting list or something to get into that club.
Yeah, I was just in Austin recently. I didn't even try to, I don't even know if I would get in there, just because it's so packed all the time. Yeah,
how would you go about trying to perform at something like that? Like, you have to, like, know somebody or, yeah,
I think I'd have to ask a few favors to get in there. And that would just to be like, maybe get in but to even get on that stage, I don't even know who. I don't know that many people over there.
But yeah, and then have a home club in
LA um, yeah, I would say I'm like, comedy magic club in Hermosa Beach. I'm there. That's a really fun club. They're really, really cool. That's
funny because so I'm from Seattle originally. Okay, we followed this comedian, Faheem, and we went to go see Faheem at hermosa. It was like, right, when he had moved to LA, and we did a trip to LA and we went, so we went to the Hermosa Beach comedy thing, and he was opening for Joe coy, who you opened for? Oh, yeah, yeah. And Joe coy did, like he did, like, two hours or something. It was insane at
comedy magic, yeah, that's so funny because I, that's how I got into comedy magic. I opened for Joe at comedy magic at one time. Yeah, and it
was weird, like it was sold out. So for him, like, oh, sorry, it sold out, but you can stand so, you know, just come in. You can I'll get you in through the back or whatever. So we go in there, and then somebody opens the door, this really tall guy walks in. And I was like, Holy shit, that's Kevin Nealon. Was like, you went up on stage, and then he was standing there watching, like, right next to us. We're
like, well, that's Kevin Nealon. Cool. He's tall. I didn't even know that. Oh yeah,
he's like, six, eight or something. Has he never really, you never seen him perform there,
not when I'm there. I haven't seen him when I'm there. I've never seen him in person. I don't think I
thought that was his home club, or used to be, I don't know. Oh, maybe
just we weren't there on the same night. Didn't
Leno used to perform there too? He's there all the time.
Oh, yeah, he's there all the time. Like, I want to say, like every, every week, maybe like on a Monday or Sunday, he's just, he's always over there Judy,
talk to him or interact with them at all. Or
no, no No, no, no no, because he has his own special night. You know what I mean? Oh, okay, like, I'll do like the Friday or Saturday, which is like a bunch of comics going up. I think it's like 10 comics. It's a showcase night on Fridays and Saturdays. It's just a bunch of locals or people who are in town, they go up and do a few minutes, and then Leno, he just gets his own night. Okay,
so they don't, you guys don't have the headliners going through Hermosa Beach that would stop there. Oh yeah,
yeah. They would be there. They would do they they would either have their own night or they would just hop on the same show as us, but he's so big and he has, like, his own thing, that sure he it wouldn't be beneficial financially for him to just do 10 minutes on on a show with a bunch of younger guys. You know,
gotcha, gotcha so and you're still tight with Joe Koi. Does he perform there as well?
Yeah, he's, he's, he's so busy. He's like, shooting a bunch of stuff. I don't so he's, I don't see him around, doing the clubs as much. But yeah, he's still around. We're still really cool. Went to one of his did it go? I went over to Vegas and watched his uh, T Mobile, like, arena show, which was like crazy. And we all hung out over there.
Damn. He's really Yeah, because I remember, I think, like, I said, we went to go see Faheem, and I would think I knew who Joe coy was, and I met, and he's super nice and everything. And then now it's like, yeah, you see him doing these arenas and stuff. And I was like, Man, I should have got a. Extra you still
probably could. If you see him around, he's, like, one of the nicest dudes. He Yeah, he meets all his like, fans, or anyone who wants to talk, he'll, he's so generous.
Yeah, he came up and he gave for him a big hug. Yeah? He was like, He's so nice. I think he let Faheem, uh, open form. I think on on a tour too. I think it wasn't just at that show. I think they went on a few different shows together. Nice,
yeah, that's possible. Yeah, Joe's, he's really good to young, young, younger comics, like, he'll take people out and stuff, and it's such a fun time. Yeah, a little bit in, like 2021
or 22 that helped you? That helped your, uh, career, too, because he had you in the Netflix special, right? And in his element,
yeah, yeah, no. That helped. That helped a lot. That was it helped in such, like, an interesting way, because I did the Late Night with James Gordon in 2019 and then I moved to LA, like, like, at the same time, like, right before I taped, I moved to LA, and then I did court in and I was like, okay, cool. Like, I'm in LA, I'm doing I'm in the scene. I feel like I have friends here. This feels good.
And then the pandemic happened, like, four months later, so, but luckily, we shot the Netflix thing in January of 2020, so when it came in, it came out in June. So during the pandemic, that came out. So it looked like I was still doing stuff. So I still it like, even though we everybody was inside, I still kind of had momentum. So, yeah, when the pandemic ended, I was able to still, like, keep the momentum going, because something came out during lockdown. Yeah,
that helps. That's not Yeah, because that a lot of people's careers interview a lot of musicians too, and they were really struggling, because they make all their money on I mean, you can't sell records as a musician anymore tour, so when you can't tour, you're just like, screwed. Yeah,
what do they do? They not make money, like, a lot of money on streaming, or is
it? I mean, if you're like, yeah, if you're like, you know, huge, if you're like, Kendrick Lamar or something. But even, I think, even those guys, I don't think they make a lot of money on the streaming. So you make money on touring merchandise, and then, like, if you get your song placed, like, in a commercial, or like, a movie or something
like that. But, yeah, I don't think the streaming, I feel like one of the biggest songs, I think was, like The Rolling Stones, like satisfaction, like, it only made like, 50,000 in streaming, and it had like, you know, billions of views, or something crazy number like that, where you're just like, wow, you'd think that that would be enough that they could but it's like, if they sell it, I think in the commercial, like, I think it was, was it Microsoft or something, they had to pay
millions of dollars for them to use it, like, 15 seconds of it in a commercial.
So bam, that's crazy. Yeah, it is really
weird. Like, and because, how does that work with comedians? I mean, you get paid, I'm assuming, some for the clips that you like on Instagram and Facebook and YouTube. You get some revenue for those views, right? Yeah, but
not like a lot. It's not for at least me, no, not a lot, I know, like some people can, but it for me, it's just like a tiny little little check, because it's like, I'm not consistently getting millions of millions of views, you know, but I know a few people who get those, and it could be lucrative. But like you said, for like, the smaller guys, it's like, it's not, what
about Siri? You mentioned that you're on Sirius XM because I had Liz mealy on here. I mean, she has a lot of special. She does a new special, like, once every other year, and she says, like, her Sirius XM clips that pays her rent, and she lives in New York, so, yeah, yeah,
no, I that's the serious I get a cool little check off that for sure. Yeah, that one's interesting. I don't even know how how it works, but every month I get like, a little check, and that's nice, because, like that we made, me and my friends made an album together, and then that we don't get, like, anything. It's like a couple cents or something from, like, people buying the album.
But then, for some reason, it's like, I don't know what's going on over at serious, but that's a little more money for sure,
yeah, like, they have more money to to give or something. It's weird, yeah,
I don't, I have, I have no I have no idea. Yeah,
so it all adds up a little bit here, a little bit there, but probably the bulk of your for comedians, it's still touring, right?
It's, I mean, that's the thing. It's, like a little bit of everything, bro, like, it's, that's why we all got to do stuff, like, got to do, like everything, because it's like, yeah, touring, and they'll do these random tapings, like the don't tells, or, like, Sting. I did one reason for CBS commercials writing gigs. It's, it comes from everywhere. Sure.
Yeah, the writing, I know. I know for him, he got job, I think it was at the United States of our one of those sitcoms. Remember that? Yeah, yeah. I think that's how he paid for, like, his house and stuff and, like, that was a great gig for him, yeah? And it's weird, because I feel like he's too talented for that. But hey, take what you can get. Yeah.
I mean, because it's sometimes the things that you think pay money, don't, and then the things that don't really,
really like, what? Well, it's like, you think
the album sales would make a lot of money, but then it doesn't. But then the series makes you a lot of money. Or
like, Yeah, that's true. Sometimes
a weekend at a club will pay will? It's like, a Okay, amount of money. But then you'll just do some random taping where you do five, a five minute set, and they give you, like, 1000s and 1000s. It's just like, random, well,
yeah, I'm like, opening for the bigger acts. I'm assuming, like, if Joe coy is like, hey, I want you to open for, you know, like, one of my arena shows like that probably pay really well, right?
Yeah, probably, yeah. Depends on which one it is, yeah, for sure, yeah.
And then yeah, just, I think, yeah, it all adds up. And, and then also, I think, what isn't Do you ever do corporate gigs like, I know those would probably be the worst, super like, you wouldn't enjoy it, but it would probably pay the best.
Yeah, it pays so good. A lot of them pay like, I'm doing one, I'm actually doing one in June. Oh, yeah, yeah, they pay great. I mean, companies have a lot of money and they just want entertainment like that. Actually, corporates, like, kind of saved my life in the pandemic. Yeah, I made so much money doing corporate zooms during the pandemic for like, a whole, like year, and it was like, stupid amount of money, wow. Yeah, it was
interesting, but it's probably your least favorite way to perform. Is my guess,
oh, 100% like during the pandemic, like when everything shut down, it was only zoom shows. And then, like, all these like companies, like, I don't know who did it. I don't I'm not gonna name any, but like, a few big companies would hit me up and they just say, do like 10 minutes and or, like, with these other comics, or do like 30 minutes, and then they just give you, like, a fat check.
Can you hear people laughing on the or, how does that work? Like,
yeah, yeah. So in the Zoom would just be like this, like, every like, but just a bunch of people, okay, and then we do they, we just, you could hear them. You know, it wouldn't be that different from, like, a live on. It was good. Depending on your internet, it'd be, maybe it'd be laggy a little bit and the last would come in later. But it was, it was, it was all right. And I don't do too many live ones, like, they don't really get asked do those that often? Yeah, but they're
not bad. They're not the worst. They're just kind of like, I have to, I'm definitely censored a little bit when I go into these terms. They have, like, they have all these assets, like, don't talk about this. Don't talk about this. Don't mention he's gonna, the CEO is gonna be here. Don't say shit to that guy. Please
show with Pfizer. Don't say anything bad about Pfizer. This is great company. And, yeah, oh, that'd be interesting. Exactly, I
got fired from one, yeah, I got fired from one in the pandemic. I it was just some random company, and then they wanted me to do a show for their US office at 11am in the morning, which was like, Sure, whatever. And then again, at 1am in the morning, the like later for their Asian office. Oh, and then I did the show, and I thought it was great. I thought it was, it was fun. And I then they sent me an email in the middle of the day. Was like,
Hey, that was cool. But can you, like, try not to say these things that you said in your set earlier? Because I like make fun of, like, everybody in like, a fun way, right? Like, in my bits, like, Oh yeah, and involves, like, race stuff, but it's like, funny, like, I try to, I make it funny, you know,
yeah, that's what comedy is for. Yeah, when people make fun of white people, I think it's hilarious.
Yeah, and I was making fun of white people, and the email was like, Hey, you seem to make fun of white people, but you didn't make fun of that more races. And I was like, So you weren't racist enough. I wasn't racist enough. And then they were like, can you just, like, edit that and, like, whatever. And then we me, my team were like. Sure, no problem. And then I get an email, like, a few hours later, like, hey, our company decided to go in a different direction. He doesn't have to be on the
second show. Damn. I was like, Where,
I guess, okay, you still get paid for the other one. Or, do you get paid for the whole thing? Or, yeah, I still got paid. That's nice, yeah. So you said those are not the worst gigs, though. So because I've heard a lot of bombing stories from people at corporate gigs, just because it's not set up for comedy, I mean, not even necessarily the zoom, but like, I heard, like, I think for him, had one where he was it was like
a Toyota thing or something. It was like bright lights and like, people's backs are turned, and it's like, it's just a terrible setting. Do you have, like, what's your biggest or craziest bombing store? You gotta have a good one of those.
Craziest bomb was Florida, but it was a college. It wasn't a corporate. It was just a good college. And, yeah, corporates and whatever aren't like, the greatest but like, I feel like, anytime I'm on stage, I'm like, I'm fine. This is like, I can't complain, like I'm having even if it wasn't that fun, I'm very thankful for everything I get. But this one
was Florida. It was a college, and colleges are tough in their own way, because you think you can relate to 18 year olds, but then it's like, no, I don't, I don't at all. Like, I was like, I went in there, like, I'm cool, I'm fine. And then I get there, I'm like, oh, maybe I'm not actually that cool anymore. Like, I'm actually old. Yeah, I get sorry that I'm here. They they, I'm like, talking to these, doing my set in front of
these kids. And I'm this this time I actually, I got so what I do at college is I would like, have students come up, and then I'd make I'd ask them, like, Oh, do you have any problems? I'm a little bit older than you. I could probably give you some life advice. And that was, like, my thing, and then this kid goes up and just completely takes it to, like, a whole nother level where he's like, Hey, I have herpes. Like, what do I do? And I was just like, oh God. Like, Oh no, I don't
think there's anything you can do no cure, sorry buddy.
And there's like chaperones around. There's like student like, there's like a not teachers, but like advisors there, and they're just, like, watching this whole thing. And I'm just like, I was still like, young in touring and doing colleges. I think that was like, my second or third college I ever did, and then I didn't know what to do, and I just, like, completely, just was like, I don't know, I think you could see a doctor for that. Like, I actually was just like, I was
just like, I panicked. I was just like, yeah, go see a doctor or something. And it wasn't funny at all. And that, that kid, just like, got the best of me, and then I just went home very sad after that, because, like,
you got the best, like, do you think he was fucking with you, like he did on purpose? Or,
No, I don't think he was doing it on I think, yeah, he was definitely doing it on purpose. But, like, there was a, it's a weird line with that where, like, because he was easily fucking with me, but there's, I can't just yell at kids. Yeah, you know what I mean. I can't be like, get because I just technically, when you're doing colleges, you're supposed to be clean. This was so it's like, I can't really
respond to this. When there's like, people who are sending me my paycheck are in the audience watching, yeah, I can't just be like, Well, you had fun though, right? You had a good time getting it. I can't really, it's like, a weird because then it's like, kind of, it gets kind of like, you know, it's, yeah, so I have to, I have to just be like, Well, I'm, I hope, I hope the creams you get are top tier, you know, like, I can't say, I can't even probably say that, you know, like,
greens, oh, God,
oh, yikes. That was, that was the worst, just because I just, that was just one of the times I've ever felt helpless on stage, like I felt like, oh, there's, I can't do anything. Like, I just, I have to let this one slide.
Yeah, you can just go, like, next
Exactly. That's exactly what I did.
No comment on that one. Yeah, it's rough. Geez, yeah, I don't know how you guys, that's what I'm saying. Like, when someone throws you a curveball, you're like, you weren't expecting that. Like, how do you you gotta be? Like, ready? Like,
yeah, in that instance, I had nothing. I had nothing. I just had to take that out and then learn from it.
Yeah. So when you, before you get on stage, like, when you're preparing, do you, how do you write stuff? Like, you. So is it a very you have a system or process, you have a bunch of post it notes all over and like, do you write every day? Or is it just when you feel like it?
I would say I'm constantly writing, like, throughout the day. I never really my process is kind of weird. I have like, super crazy like, ADHD, so I'm not out here, like, sitting at a coffee shop, like writing. I'm like, I'm like, actively, like, I'll be at walk, walking my dog at the park, but I'm still, like, on my phone, like, tweaking stuff. I'll be, like, at the grocery store. I'm tweaking it. Like, I'm just constantly thinking
about it throughout the day. And I usually have, like, the formula of how I write jokes, and I just, hey, you can kind of see it in what I have out. But yeah, I'm constantly just, like, tweaking in my head and, like, if I need to really remember it, I'll write it down in my on my phone. That's, that's pretty much the process.
Yeah, has there been any bits that that bombed, that that you thought were funny, that you tried to tweak more and more, that you held on to because you just thought it was such a good
bit? Yeah, all the time that that happens so often. Um, trying to think of one here when you let me look in the notes. Yeah. That happens to, like, literally every other joke that I write, I'm like, this is going to be a fucking banger, bro. And then it never
works so rough, like comedy is is, I don't think people understand how hard is. Like, go to an open mic and either at least watch open mic comedians, or try it yourself and see. It's very hard, yeah,
yeah, it's hard, but I feel like any like most people, can get used to it and do it. I believe that anyone can do stand up. Maybe they might not make it, but I feel like everybody can do it and get some success program,
yeah. Well, how long did it take you, because you started around when you were in college, and then you got James Corden in 2019 How many years did it take to get James Corden from when you started?
Started in 20 end of 2012 and then when did that 2019 So seven years. Yeah, seven years, yeah, I did do a taping before that that I don't think anybody saw it. Was like, maybe on Amazon that the year before, I think so around. But it's like, I know you measure success, like in, well, at least I do in, like, like steps, you know, like, I was doing a little bit of touring, like colleges in like, 2016, and 17 at that time, I was like, I'm doing it, you know, I thought that was, like a milestone for
me. Yeah, getting paid to do your craft. That's, yeah, beyond an open mic or, that's for sure. And
then I'm like, I'm still growing and stuff like that. So, like, the next thing I get, I'm like, Oh, that's it took me that long to get, you know? I mean, like, it's right, yeah.
Do you have things in your head of what you want to do next like, next steps, next milestones, yeah,
like, I definitely want to be like, on TV, like acting and being in some cool TV show where I'm like, some just being me, you know, like, I don't know. Just yeah, Movies TV, keep my make my game show, pop in, like, stuff like that. Have
you tried out for any film acting at all?
Yeah, all the time. Yeah, all the time. I'm I've done a few commercials, and I'm auditioning and stuff, but haven't gotten, uh, anything crazy yet. But I feel it. Feel it coming. I feel like, this year, some it's something's cooking up. I can feel it.
Yeah, I could see that. I could I mean, you definitely have a uniqueness about you, that you'd be perfect for certain roles, like the chill guy, like, like, I have, like, a stoner vibe, but I don't even know if you smoke pot.
I do not smoke weed anymore. No, I haven't in years. I think I gave it up in like, high school, like, or college, like, after high school. Yeah, I don't smoke weed because, like, you hear my voice now, like, it's like, I'm already at like, a low, and then when I smoke weed, it's just like, I get even low. I just don't exist, you know, I just so and I would notice this at like, like places I was like, I'm having a good time, but I don't think anybody remembers that I'm here. And
that is funny to think. Like, yeah, like, if you. Not smoking pot. You definitely shouldn't, because, yeah, pretty chill. So, like, I wouldn't say that more to chill out, like, you're pretty chill. Like, I mean, you appear that way. I don't know what's going on inside your
brain. I think I'm doing okay, but, yeah, I just be too I just shut down. I'd just be too quiet and like, I'll be just, like, at a party. And then my ride leaves, and I was like, Oh, I forgot. I'm like, Okay, well, can you turn around and pick me up? Like,
that's not good, yeah. What about the opposite? You ever try, like, like, cocaine or, like, taking a lot of coffee and then do you get really, I couldn't picture you like, being really hyper.
Yeah. No, I drink coffee every day. My friends are like, I go to music festivals a lot, you know, or not a lot, maybe twice a year. But I go hard at music festivals, like, I went to Coachella this year.
Yeah? You had to joke about that, yeah. I was gonna ask about that. Yeah. I try
to make it a thing with my friends, we go every year. It's like a whole, almost like reunion, where people that don't see as much as I would, we all get together one year, and we go to Coachella, do all the drugs, and then that, then go home and go back to our normal lives. But yeah, I like doing those, those drugs, cocaine. What is the cocaine ever?
What's the Coachella drugs? I don't know. I've never, I can't afford Coachella
Molly, Molly, for sure, love that, love that mushrooms, love mushrooms, love mushrooms. And then, yeah, those, those are two, my two, of my favorites.
And you can, you mix those two together?
Yeah, you can. I never have, but my friends do all the time.
Yeah, mushrooms one night and Molly the next, or something, or, yeah,
yeah. So Thursday is like, the chill day at Coachella, where you don't do anything. There's nothing going on. It's just you setting up camp. And that's when I like to do the mushrooms, because it's like, oh, we're just around. We have quality time to spend with ourselves. We don't have to be running around and stuff. So we're all just like, doing the chill drug, and then you do Molly. So whenever you get lost, it's still a good time. Oh, you can't find your friends for
like, three hours. Hey, that's fine. You're having a good time anyway, by yourself. So, yeah, I'll do those, yeah, but I only do that, like, twice a year, so that's why I try to, I do a bit of, I'm trying, working on a bit about it right now where it's like, I'm trying to min, max, the fun in my life, like, minimize danger, but maximize, like, fun. So like, I don't drink alcohol, so I can, I can vape. I vape, you know, that
feels like an even exchange. And then I don't smoke weed, so I can do Molly sometimes, you know, that's, that's like, the premise that I'm working, working around that it's what I'm trying to do. Yeah,
no, that's good. That makes sense. Yeah, I'm it's older I get because I'm a little older than you. So it's like, the older I get, I feel like, the less shit I want to do. And it's all about like, you're right. It's all like, risk and reward and, yeah, yeah, exactly. Alcohol just becomes like, a like, a chore, almost. You're just like, like, what am I doing? Like, and then you just feel so crappy for like, days after so Exactly,
exactly awful. See, because if and then, that's why I don't do cocaine. If I added, if I wanted to bring cocaine to my life, then I'd have to, like, take out, like, 711 taquitos. And I don't want to do that, you know? I want to that stays in my life. Okay, taquitos, they're not good. I love them. It's a good stack when you're, like, around, when you're around one or like, you stop, like you're driving and you need to stop for gas, or any gas station to quit. I'm okay
with, Oh, my God. I just discovered this gas station with a Mexican restaurant inside. It's in the middle of nowhere in Arizona and and I looked at his work, because, like, you look on Google and it's like, you know, five stars or whatever, and, like, see, and then you try it, and you go, Holy shit, that was really fucking good Mexican food. What the heck you gotta tell me about this? I love, yeah, it's in the it's in wiki up, Arizona. Like we were the road was closed, so
we had to turn around. We're like, we can't eat anywhere. Everything's closed. Like, oh, this gas station is a Mexican restaurant. Oh, that's probably terrible. And it was like,
really good. Hell yeah. Those are always, like, hidden gems. There's this place in I stopped, where I stopped, Patterson, California, and it's a gas station, but it also is an Indian food restaurant. Ooh,
Indian foods, like, dangerous. It's like the fry bread and stuff, yeah,
and then bro and the Indian food and gas station. Oh, so dangerous. Yeah, incredible. It was really, really good. I forgot it's called, but it's in Patterson.
And Patterson, where the hell's Patterson is that in the middle of nowhere? I.
Oh, it's close to the middle of nowhere. It's like, right before the middle of nowhere. It's like two or three hours outside of the San Francisco. Okay, on the way to LA, because you're originally
from San Francisco, you moved to LA, but then you go back there for because that's where your family is and stuff.
I go, I go back pretty often, like, maybe, like once a month I'll go and see family and do shows. It's just a that's home, and I like being home. Yeah,
so you said the crime is a is the crime pretty bad in San Francisco. I haven't been there in a while, but last time I went, my car got broken into. And I was like, damn. Like, it was like, well, first night there, it was, like, a car broken I was like,
geez, yep. That happens all that that that's like, the main thing that happens in the Bay Area. It's called bipping. So it's like, you got bipped, or you're bipping. So it means it's, it's like, the various slang for your car window got smashed, or you someone took something out of your car.
Yeah, don't they. Wasn't there a thing, like, I saw this on the news. I don't know if it was. It was like, this is like, a trend, or if there's just, like, one small portion of people were doing this is like they were leaving their cars unlocked and the windows down. So it's like, Hey, if you want to go in, like, Take whatever you want kind of thing, because they didn't want the windows to get smashed. Yeah,
that's that's become like a real thing where people would just have their windows rolled down, just so people can see nothing's in there. No need to, no need to go in. And that grew up with that. So, like, when I'm around and other states, and even though, even in LA, I get it doesn't happen in LA as much as it does the Bay Area, it feels like it's a very Bay Area specific thing. But my friends will leave stuff in their back seats. And I'm always like, Hey, you just gonna
leave that there. And then they're like, yeah, why? But I'm just so like, wired to from living in the Bay that people think I'm like, weird, and I'm like, every time I leave my car anywhere, even if I'm like, in a nice part of, like Connecticut. I'm like, nah. We're putting everything in the trunk. We're hiding everything. It's just that's, it's so ingrained in me and people that are like, Hey, chill out. I'm like, nah. So you always stay ready, bro,
yeah, no, especially if it's something you want, like that you can't replace. If some sort of, like, personal value to that. You know, you won't be able to just buy another one on Amazon, and,
like so many of my friends, their laptops get stolen cameras. It's like,
yeah, like, what if you had your jokes written on that? Like, you can't get your jokes back? Then
that's that's true, but also that's kind of funny. I would hope they would read it and be like, What the fuck was this guy in this guy into?
Because if people looked at the rough drafts, it's probably a lot different than the finished product, yeah,
hopefully when they look at my laptop, they're like, oh shit. We like this guy. This is funny. And then they just come to a show computer
back say Sorry, bro. Didn't mean to take this.
We didn't know this was your laptop. Sorry,
that's crazy. Yeah, I hope they can clean stuff. I love the bear. I think it's so beautiful. I just, I'm like, I'm a little nervous to go, Yeah, I always want to, because I'm a Seahawks fan. I want to go when they play the 40 Niners. I want to, always want to. I haven't been to that new stadium
yet. Oh, yeah, yeah, it's sick. It's far from San Francisco, but it's sick.
So it was the old one. I feel like we took this long drive down this really crazy road. And have you ever been to that old stadium,
candlestick, yeah, but that was still like, San Francisco adjacent. Like, okay, Santa Clara is like a different city, like, like, it's far, it's like a few cities away, like, an hour or Yeah, with traffic even more, like Santa Clara is the South Bay Area, which is, like, Santa Clara is closer to San Jose than it is San Francisco. Yeah,
yeah. But the stadium is, is nice, and it's like, safer,
yeah, it's cool, because Santa Clara was like, a really bougie part of the Bay Area. Oh,
okay, is that where all the, like, the tech billionaires live and stuff.
That's where all the tech people live now. But as far as like, San Francisco is pretty like, if you just stick to like, the the nice parts, you're fine. It's just a few like downtown or whatever. And then outside of the Bay Area, there's a lot of cool, Safe Cities, like, it's just really like San Francisco. It's like, kind of crazy. And then I guess Oakland and Richmond,
yeah, I love the um, what is the city? Oh, god, it's like near Oakland. Actually, that was the last time I was in San Francisco. I. Um, I guess it was more recent, but, um, what is that city called, where my girlfriend's cousin lived, and it was really cool. And then we went down to San Francisco and went to, like, the, is it Chinatown? Is that what's called that area that's like, yeah, it was, it was all, I love the history there. Like, it's just such, it's such a neat city,
yeah, China Chinatown is, like, actually really fun place to party. Yeah, there's like, a lot of like, like, I love the bars there, because all the bars look like there's an illegal underground fighting tournament under it. Yes, yeah. Like, looks cool. I love going to China.
Yeah, I wonder if there was speakeasies at some point, because, I mean, I feel like that's probably been around almost as long as prohibition. Maybe not. I don't know. Maybe I don't know it's terrible in history and dates. I probably now someone's going to comment and say, you fucking idiot. What are you talking but that definitely
is because I'll do shows in San Francisco in basements, where I'm like, Oh, I didn't even know this was down here, and it's just, like, a full on, like, it looks like a used to be a bar, like, sick, yeah,
that. I love that kind of stuff. That's awesome. Like, yeah, we have, like, in Arizona, we have tombstone, it's like an old historic, old west town, and they have the, was it called the birdcage saloon. And it's like, basically, they locked it up at one point, like, in the like, 1920s or whatever, and then they just left it, and then they reopened it, like, I don't know, 20 years ago or something, and it was just left as is. So it's, like, really
well preserved. It was a total, like, a whorehouse and stuff is, like, so fascinating, though. The building looks amazing. Hell
yeah. Let's bring it back. Mentioned, I feel
like, well, it is legal in what Nevada, and, like, certain parts on the the Bunny Ranch, or whatever is the one, oh, yeah, or house, and in the whole it's so weird that that would be so weird to go to a legal whorehouse.
I, you know what? I'm about it. I'm gonna go, why not just to experience it? I've never been to it. That's so funny, the Bunny Ranch, like, I've never been or whatever. But I remember that was like on HBO. They had like a show
about it. I heard about it on Sturm I used to listen to Howard Stern. They'd always talk. I remember
when I was a kid, we had, like, HBO. And then when my parents would fall asleep, you know, it'd be, do you feel sex? Yeah. But then, like, the Bunny Ranch was one of those shows. It was just like a reality TV show on that. And I would see that, and I'm like,
yeah, so fascinating to, I don't know it's kind of interesting to, I'm sure a lot of that stuff goes on in every city. You just don't know about it. It's illegal, it's underground. It's in those, probably, those basements you're talking
about LA, I see it like, I see it on the streets. It's like, one street in LA where there's just, like, a bunch of, like, prostitutes and stuff. Well, yeah,
there's those ones, but I'm saying, like, there's probably, like, the more like, high class ones. Oh, it's like, kind of underground, right? Like, what was the one lady that, I feel like, Charlie Sheen went to see her? Was, like, there was, she had the little black book, I forget her name, but she was, like, super famous, like, she wrote a book about it and everything. And, like, she
had this huge business. It was, like, millions of dollars a year, and high class hookers, yeah, sorry, sex workers, or whatever the PC term is. I don't want to offend people that have sex for money. I don't
content creators, you
know, fans. It's totally Yeah, things have changed since when I was a kid, it was like, girls would get called, like, horrors and stuff. And now it's like, you're smart, you're making millions of dollars. And yeah, for you entrepreneur,
honestly, like, I would rather do only fans than do food reviews in my car.
What is that thing, like a mukbang or whatever. Have you seen those things where the guys, they just, like, put all this food and smash it in their faces, and they get, like, this one guy, you see him when he started his channel, and he looked kind of like me, like he was pretty normal, or whatever, and now he's like, 300 pounds, and it's like, it's really sad, actually, like, just for the clicks they're doing it, it's crazy. I know
it's like I was, yeah, it's crazy what people are doing now and, like, what moves,
like, numbers, well, yeah, you almost need to do something crazy. Like, how do you stand out as me? I'm just a podcaster. I don't have, like, comedy bits. I don't I'm not on a TV show. So how do I I'm just like every other fucking guy who's got a podcast with there's 4 million of us,
right? Well, I was talking, I was literally talking about this with my friend this morning, and we were just talking about how, like, we were watching a clip of this guy. He's just playing video games, playing video games. And he was, like, being bad at the game. Mm. But then when you Yeah, but he's a huge, he's, like, a huge streamer, and he and he sucks, and I could do that, no, but he's that, here's the thing, he's good. Like, he's, he's, he used to, he's a former professional gamer,
right? But what he did was he would just purposely be, like, normal people couldn't see this, but in entertainment, like, I noticed, like, I can tell, like he's purposely being bad. And then the clip is he, he's getting mad that he's up, that he's bad. Clearly he's not. He's used to be a professional gamer. You really think he's like, being he's
like, I can't believe this guy has a big like, like, playing a game. And like, Oh no, I screwed up the game. Oh, wow.
This is good. This is good stuff. But what it does is, like, people start commenting, oh, you're washed. You don't got it anymore. You suck. You're bad. And then all that's doing is, is driving so much traffic to your page, so so people like, oh, you used to be a professional gamer. You fucking suck now. And he's like, but he's at home, like, thank
God. I'm getting all these comments like, yes, you don't know how many people, but like, and I'm clearly watching the clip, and I'm like, oh, like, he could have easily hit those shots easily. It wasn't like, a a difficult shot to make in the game, but he's just doing it to rage. And then people see that, they're like, you're you suck, you're so bad. And it just sucks. Now, where a lot of us now, like, a lot of even stand up clips, like, are just doing
rage bait to get engagement. And like, I have friends who will rage bait on purpose. Like, I'll post a clip, and then my friends will good friends of mine, like, best friends of mine will just comment, Hey, bro, this isn't cool. And like, then another person will like, another one best friend will comment, bro, this is not a good way of thinking. And and then what happens is, my fans, or fans of people, of things, of the clip will comment their thing being like, Dude, it's a fucking joke.
My friends, my friends know it's a joke. This
is brilliant. This is like, I'm getting, like, behind the curtain. This is great stuff.
Yeah, my friends know it's a joke. And then they'll comment, no, this is against God. Like, you know what I mean. And then, and then what happens? You're arguing how many you went from one comment to 59 and then that's just boosting, boosting, boosting, and it's, it's just so crazy that, like now, and I don't hate on it, I think it's like an interesting strat, but it's like, we're instead, we're all looking kind of for hate. Now, yeah, no, that's because it drives more algorithm,
yeah, it reinforces people arguing with each other, and I hate trolls, and I hate arguing, but if I get other people to do it for me, yeah, and I can just sit back and just watch it, and just watch
the fold. So now, when you post clips of your pod, make sure you have your friends comment racial things, yeah, rage bait stuff. Be like, Hey, this is the you can't say this because some of my
family members comment on my stuff and they're always angry. Like, maybe they're trying to help me out. Maybe that was the whole intention.
That works, bro.
I'll message them and thank them and say, Hey, thanks for that. Yeah. Wink, wink, like, Yeah, you didn't really mean that stupid, ridiculous comment that you posted, did you? You were just trying to help me out. Okay, thanks. I got it now. Yeah, yeah, that's awesome. All right. Well, what else can we anything else you have to promote. You may be working on a new special. Just haven't got it already yet. Yeah,
no, haven't gotten ready yet. I'm still, still talking to a couple of people that I'm trying to work with. But just just follow me on on Instagram, check out my my pod, my game show. What
is the what is the game show called, I don't know if I could find it. It's called
the meter. Okay, it's on everywhere you can get pods, and it's on YouTube. We took a break to reinvent the thing, but we just record, started recording again, and we're gonna start dropping in a few
weeks. So is this the thing where, like, your top episode was one where you mentioned feet or something like,
yeah, and it's so funny that that has a the most views, and we don't even talk about feet in it at all, like we probably mentioned it for like two minutes in. In the podcast. So people click it and on the analytics, the the people watch the first, like three minutes, and then they hop off because they there's no feet. They were not talking about feet until like, halfway through the episodes. Okay, so there's another thing
I'm learning from you, is that feet, feet hookers and, rage bait is what I need to focus on. Well, I
don't know if you have to focus on hookers, but
you seem interested in that. I don't know. I mean, but
not for my algorithm, just for me personally, just an experience, you know, that goes into Molly like, you know, it's like you take your family pleasure, yeah, okay, gotcha, yeah, just follow that, that we don't talk about feet, but that's how, you know, like, people are creepy for feet, so
weird, but okay, yeah, that's what I was like. I think I you know, somebody could have an only fans and just show their feet and not even have to show their tits or whatever. And they might, they could still get a huge following. Yeah, nice feet. Yeah. Maybe if I painted my feet with like, red nail polish, I could pretend to be a girl's feet, and how would they know I have pretty nice feet. Hey,
brother, if it gets you 1000s and 1000s of dollars, I support it. All
right? I think about it. I got some ideas now we this is good brainstorming. Thank you so much for doing this. And yeah, the link to what like you have. Should I put the website in the show notes, or
just put my my instagram at Andrew underscore role for and I post most of my like dates and everything that you would ever want from me will be in there, perfect.
Well, yeah, if you ever come to Phoenix, let me know. All right, thanks. See you later. Thanks,
Doug, one of a kind.