All right. Well, this is an interesting one, guys. Henri Nagel. He's a professor of math, but he is most known for being the biological father to 140 different children. They have nicknamed him the sperm inator. And he is a sperm donor to anyone who wants him to help out and he does not charge for his services. Some people think he's a hero, and he's helping out couples who otherwise wouldn't
be able to conceive. Other people have accused him of being on an ego trip and being a narcissist and a bad person person. He tells a story in this episode, along with some of the complications about doing something like this. love them or hate him. This is all legal, he tells me and this is sometimes the price of freedom and being an American, is that some people you're not going to agree with their lifestyle, but I think you should give her ra a chance and hear his story before
you make any assumptions. He's coming right up. No pun intended.
Okay, all right. So Orthodox Jewish, for you said four brothers and two sisters.
Yes, and 28 nieces and nephews. And they're all married in traditional relationships.
And what what are you the oldest or youngest or middle?
Guess I'm the middle. Typical middle child.
Okay, so middle child. What are your What was your relationship like, with your parents? Like, like, what is it? Because I mean, you're a father, what was your relationship like with your own father?
Yeah, I mean, I have a good relationship with my parents, but they're quite ashamed of my lifestyle. You know, I mean, they would wish that they would just marry like all of my siblings and start a more traditional family. But if I went to visit them this week, they're still in Florida. They usually go for the winters. But they stayed a little longer this year. And we're still quite close, even if they don't approve of my lifestyle.
But so like, growing up, did you you felt like loved is that you felt like you were, you know, had enough attention. Okay. And
somehow my father feels like maybe didn't give me enough attention, perhaps. But I certainly didn't feel that way. I had a wonderful childhood. In fact, I think he was a better father to me, then I'll be for any of my children. And he
gave you a lot of hugs told you. He loved you all the time, all that stuff.
Yeah, I had a great childhood. And, of course, it was just also fun growing up in a house with four brothers and two sisters, who, you know, a lot of them are gonna have twin brothers that are 18 months older than me, so that it was just a fun household. You know, I always had a friend's home because my siblings are my best friends.
So there was always a lot of people in and out of the house because of like all your brothers and sisters and friends. And
always, yeah, that was a fun childhood. I mean, I went to yeshiva. So maybe I didn't have the Grameen there. I could have probably done without that, you know, part of, but I didn't know at the time. You know, I was sorry, say that again. I went to yeshiva, ya know, it's like this parochial school of education was long hours, we spent hours a day studying Aramaic and subjects that are really just
impractical. So I think it is looking back, I'm seeing the education that my kids get, I think it's far superior to whatever I was getting. And, you know, we were just studying just hours of Talmud a day and subjects that are that have very little value. You know, the even the Hebrew that I was learning
was like Biblical Hebrew. So it wasn't even applicable when I went on my trips to Israel have five kids in Israel and I could barely even communicate with them in Hebrew, because the Hebrew that I learned was Biblical Hebrew, not modern Hebrew.
Oh, no, I didn't know there was a difference. That's interesting. Well, it's like Old
English, you know, where our 1000 so it won't really help. I mean, I can read it and write it fluently, but they wouldn't understand when I'm speaking and I don't understand what they're saying.
Okay, gotcha. So, what how old have you had this motorcycle accident? And then you got some money from the insurance company like 70 grand with this was like you were like 1819 or 1717. Okay, so,
it was two days before my brother's wedding. My mother came to me in the hospital yelling like, what were you doing? Well, we get thinking, but it was an accident and I still made it to my brother's wedding. I'll be in I was in a wheelchair, but I broke my femur bone. It wasn't my fault. The guy basically ran a stop sign kind of thing. And I didn't even hire a lawyer. Which is funny because I never hired a lawyer for any of my child
support cases either. I always just went in without a lawyer and sometimes with you know, probably limited success, but in this case, I didn't hire a lawyer and I probably would have made more had hired a lawyer but they ended up just settling with me and gave me the 70 Grand thanks to Reagan it was tax free and I took that money and did a lot of traveling Of course, the free First thing I did was buy a
bigger motorcycle. But after that I used it to travel to around 40 countries and but at some point over those travels, I really did lose a little bit of my faith
of your faith. Okay, so what else? What else did you learn about yourself and the world by traveling because that's a lot of traveling. I mean, I must have really changed you if you just were mostly used to being in you know, this, this town in New York, I mean, seemed to 40 different countries, I would totally change your man, I would think,
certainly, I mean, I was growing up in almost like a ghetto. So it was a very, very sheltered lifestyle. I don't even think I knew how to make a baby in high school. Like they didn't teach that. So it was pretty sheltered. I went to all boys elementary schools, I went to all boys high schools. So I think in many ways that was socially retarded, I think graduating at 17 years old, you know, I was going to college and die, I didn't really, you know,
know how to socialize. I think a lot of my relationships, perhaps my 20s were maybe what other people would have in their high school years where they were immature. And I think, certainly, it helped me get out of my shell a little bit traveling to so many different places, and maybe be less shy
and more social. But part of that was also just seeing so many different faiths and see the thing people worship, you know, all sorts of different, you know, cows within India for three months, or, you know, meeting so many Jehovah's witnesses that were left the faith and I think it was influential and maybe playing a role in perhaps me not practicing Orthodox Judaism anymore.
Did you get like lonely being on the on the road? I mean, after you're used to live in this house with all these people, now, you're just you're traveling by yourself, right? So does it get lonely on the road? Just like not having someone to come home to every day?
Oh, well, you know, you're not really lonely for long, because, you know, you can only really let another day or two go by without talking to people. So eventually, you know, I was staying in hostels, I wasn't staying in five star hotels away. So I was meeting people and socializing. So now I think it helps you become more outgoing. When you travel alone. I think if I was traveling with friends, I would have hung out with my friends the whole time.
But then when you travel by yourself that helps you learn to make new friends.
Yeah, so you say you were socially retarded. In high school. Like he just doesn't have a lot of friends. You have a friend group or like a group of guy
that was very popular in elementary school in high school. I think I meant with the opposite gender. I was going to Oh, I think in that sense, I wasn't really adapted, really handling relationships with the opposite gender.
Gotcha. Okay. So then, eventually, then this is how this whole thing started. Sounds like you saw an ad for a sperm donor on Craigslist. And what made you want to respond to that or reach out to this person?
Yeah, well, you know, I was using Craigslist for lots of other things. So I found my housekeeper on Craigslist, I sold my old motorcycle on Craigslist. And it was just the website that you were using. So I was even finding odd jobs just for fun. I remember when Spider Man two came out the Toys R Us hired me to be Spider Man for the day. It's like I was doing all sorts of random things on Craigslist. And that's when I
came across this ad. I don't even know what section it was in if it was in the personal ads section, or the Services section or the odd jobs section, remember, but that's really where I encountered actually two ads. It was two women that posted on there and they couldn't be more different even though they were living right near each other one was in Chelsea one was on the Upper
West Side. One was a single Jewish woman who was in her 40s and wasn't meeting Mr. Right and just wanted to start a family on her own and be a single mother by choice. And then the other was a lesbian African American couple living in Chelsea, and they obviously needed my help to grow their family. They had three boys and they wanted a girl.
And so for these first because I know like most of these you've, you've done it for free. Did you get paid for the first two? Or did you even do the first two for free?
No, they were all free. Yep. That they both wanted different things. That the single woman from the Upper West Side wanted to do a marriage and a divorce a number of months later and she even though she was heterosexual the because of her age it precluded us trying on our own so we ended up using a clinic. Whereas the lesbian couple we ended up conceiving the child the old fashioned way, because I didn't really know of another way to conceive a child.
So of course now the vast majority of my donations, I'm just putting the sperm in a cup and they're putting it inside. But my first few donations were either the old fashioned way or in this case, because she was in her 40s We ended up using a fertility clinic.
Okay, so but like what made so you're not even getting paid for this first one at all, either. Like what was the incentive for you at that point? Like you just wanted to help out or?
Yep, well, I already had a son because I hit how to I wouldn't want to say casual encounter but I was dating a girl for a few weeks and we had a very I don't want to say an accident. He doesn't like to be called an accident but an unplanned In pregnancy, and so he was a few years old. And I certainly enjoyed being a father. But I wasn't really in a relationship with a mom or on particularly great terms. We were co parenting. But that was
challenging, I think. And I felt like this was perhaps a way where I can grow my own family as my brothers and sisters were growing theirs, while not having to deal with perhaps the drama that a relationship might entail.
Right, but so were those first two, were you a part of those kids lives at all? Or do they want you to not be a part of the kids lives?
It's up to the moms. So it varies. In this case, sometimes hit or miss, you know, sometimes they're open to it, sometimes they're less open. So it's really up to them, but I always put the ball in their court. I see both of them. Occasionally, as long as the mom permits. There were 18 years old, now they're turning 15 in August and September, so you know, at a certain point, they'll start to make those
decisions on their own. And maybe I'll have a closer relationship, but I have felt their number saved my cell phone and WeChat. And I've gotten together with both of them recently.
Okay. Yeah. So it's interesting, because like, some people were, like, really like, negative towards you. And this whole story, which is, which is interesting to me, because it seems like a lot of these women that you're helping, I mean, they're gonna, they're gonna do this regardless, right? It's just like, you're kind of saving them some money, because isn't it really expensive to do? Do it through a clinic and to get a sperm donor? Like you said, 1000s of dollars, right?
Yes, that's true in the vast majority of the time, they're not spending anything, you know, and even when they use the clinic, sometimes the insurance may cover it. The only part that the insurance doesn't cover, oddly enough, is the actual sperm, which it's not 1000s of dollars, it's $1,000. But if you're using a clinic to insert the sperm, then yeah, could be many 1000s of dollars if you don't have insurance coverage. You know, listen, people have all sorts of views.
Briefly, it's gotten a little out of control, I have 140. So sometimes people hear that number, and they say, well, that's absurd. You know, that's not normal, per se. You know, in the end, I think other people might see the same thing and say, Wow, that's a beautiful thing that he's doing and charging for it and helping so many beautiful families grow. I
see both sides. I think ultimately, in the end, whenever these views that people have have nothing to do with me, these people don't know me, they never met any the kid, they never met any of the moms. I think once you do that, that inevitably your opinions will change. But I think their negative views probably have more to do with the kind of people that they are in less to deal with what kind of person I am.
Yeah, because I think another thing you said the advantage of for some of these women using you rather than the clinic is that when they're getting it from the clinic, they can't see the picture of the person, they don't know the person's temperament. And a lot of those people, obviously, you're not going to be involved in any level, which I mean, you kind of like you said, you have both you have some that you're not involved at all, but some you are involved in to some
level. I mean, as much as you can be right.
I got to see this week, 14 kids. So sounds like a lot, but it's really just 10% here. Oh, of course, there was some graduations. And I did a little bit of traveling. I saw eight kids in Florida this past week. Plus, of course, I went to visit my folks. So once I was there, I ended up doing a little trip. Of course my have 12 kids in Florida. They're spread all over the state of Sarasota. Jacksonville was South Florida, Orlando. So it's difficult to visit all of them. But I did get
to visit eight of them. And then yesterday I did an award ceremony this morning, I did a graduation. And another two hours I'll be doing some karate event as some kind of something or something rather father son karate, I guess it's for Father's Day. So yeah, but Father's Day, it's a little busier. And then graduation season makes it busy. I mean, yeah, but definitely bit off more than I could chew. So disappointing. Tomorrow, I got a
gender reveal. In Connecticut, I would like to go, you know, it's two and a half hours there two and a half hours back, just like the award ceremony yesterday was around two and a half hours drive each way. And I had a woman I'll be leading today in Las Vegas, and I was thinking about flying out. But of course, if I would have flown out that I would have missed the squatty event, I would have missed the gender reveal. I would have missed Father's Day with my
children. I have my son on Sunday getting his first haircut, the Jewish tradition that they do when the kids three years old, they do the first haircut. So I'll be attending that I think maybe some of my family members might be attending that as well. So I got a busy weekend, that's for sure. And then there's other kids that I never met and it's dynamic. So sometimes they want me to play a role. Sometimes they don't. And then sometimes it just changes
back and forth. And maybe they don't foresee me playing a role. And then the kid gets eight or nine starts asking questions. And then they say, Well, you know, here's your dad, you could just give him a call back kind of thing. So it goes back and forth.
And they these women know what they're getting into when they sign up with you that you're going to be busy because you have 140 kids so they're going to know that you can't always be there for Everything,
yes, they should be aware of. I got in trouble. Like three months ago, I missed a baptism in Harrisburg. But, you know, I just had a lot on my plate that weekend, then I wasn't able to make the five hour journey. She was really livid, you know, and I was glad I didn't say the obvious of like, that wasn't my first child. You know, that was like number 120. You know, but yeah, I hope they're aware, you know, I think any role is probably
better than normal. Yeah, I think even just knowing, you know, because people always say, Well, why don't you do it the normal way, you know, go to a clinic that there's nothing normal bad in the normal ways where it's like an anonymous donation. And it's so strange to visit depends on the country. So the US is quite good, because you can actually choose who your
donor can be. And you actually have the option to see a picture, although sometimes they may just charge you more for it, they may charge you for the photo package. But I was insane. Last month, and that was helping a woman there. And she said that when she went to the clinic, she wasn't allowed to choose who the donor should be, the doctor chooses, and she doesn't really get any information, not a
picture. She gets, I think I call her height and race or something like that, like such, maybe blood type, I think was one of the like three things that she really gets no, but she doesn't get to choose, the doctor chooses. And that's true in a lot of countries. And it just seems so backwards, like the most important decision of your life, and you can't even order the sperm from another country that allows you to choose. So like who they protecting, it just makes no sense. And that's the normal
accepted way. In the US you are you are able to choose some countries you can't but you're able to order from another country that allows you to in Spain, that wasn't the case. But a lot of the countries allow you to order from another country where sometimes they'll give you the baby picture. And the end, ultimately, you probably can chase down and find the identity of your own baby of your donor just by baby doing a 23andme or
an ancestry.com. So there are ways but I think that's prohibited, you are signing a contract, maybe sometimes saying that you're not going to try and seek out your anonymous donor. And then some countries, you know, make anonymous donations illegal, and they want all the donations to be known donors. So that every country I mean, IVF is really a new phenomenon. It
was invented in my lifetime. So I think that the laws are still catching up with the times and they'll try and figure out what works best for us, I think is the wild west of fertility. So you're even allowed to bring a known donor into the clinic, of course, it makes it a lot more complicated, because there's a whole bunch of more paperwork that's involved them, the vast majority of the time, if I end up using a clinic, I just go with the woman's partner, as opposed to as the woman's donor.
Interesting. Yeah, I heard you say to that this was this was interesting to me that they charge more for different races, is that true?
Of course, different sperm counts, different races, different education levels, that everything's gonna be different price and different religions, because, you know, it's a lot of it is supply and demand. So if there's a shortage of a certain type, and they may have sales on certain sperm, if they have an excess amount of that, and the countries that try to maybe make it, you know, limit the number of donors, that donors that, you know, ends up having a shortage, and then it makes it even more
expensive. So it's a difficult situation, there's no easy answer of like, hey, let's just limit each donor to 10 families, well, then that's expensive, already. And then when they vet a donor, there's a lot of expense involved. So it really is not financially possible to just limit a donor to 10, because they're going through so much expense to vet the donor, and that once they have one, they really want the donor to donate many, many times so that it will be available. Anyway, so
it's challenging, I think. But I think ultimately, in the end, the laws will work itself out. They have to allow where you could just bring a friend into a clinic, it is allowed in the West, but it's so complicated. Most countries, that's not allowed. You can't just say Alright, here's my daughter, we want to have a child together. But so prohibited in most countries, some countries, you have to be married in order to
use a fertility clinic. That's bizarre sometimes, because sometimes they're like countries that you think would be quite forward thinking, you know, Germany or France, you know, you have to be you have to be a married couple in order to use a fertility clinic.
Interesting. So you said for like a regular anonymous donor in America? Is there is a limit of 10 Or no, there is no limit.
Note that there's protocols. So the protocols is 25 donations per 800,000 people, of course, it doesn't matter what country you're in. It's very rare that any of these are enforced because whatever fertility clinic I go to is not sharing their information with the other fertility clinics. So no one really knows how many were actually conceived. Nobody's keeping track. So let's say I donate 10 times nobody's seeing how many of those actually produced children.
Nobody keeps track of that. So nobody knows how many children I have if I was donating anonymously. The clinic's, there'd be no way for me to know how many children I have, because no one keeps records of
that. So five later discovered that I had some kind of terrible heart condition or something, and I wanted to notify all my recipients, oh my god, something terrible happened, I have this heart condition, make sure your children get checked out for this heart condition, there's no way that I can even reach out to them. Because if I don't need it anonymously, I don't know who these recipients are. And there's no way for me to track
them down. Now fight, God forbid, had some kind of condition that I wanted, all them would take me literally just a minute, I could post on the Facebook group and just say, Hey, by the way, I have, you know, because I have a Facebook group of a lot of the families that I helped with around 90 moms in there, that would really
cover almost all of them. And then I could just shoot out a couple text messages or WhatsApp groups, and I'd be able to alert all of them to whatever concern not only that, but the mothers can share any kind of health concerns that they have with the other moms, there are a lot of them are in touch with each other. None of that's really possible in any organized way with the anonymous donations.
Yeah, and you have an Excel spreadsheet of all the kids and the birth dates, and the moms and all those contacts. And,
of course, yes, and then, and then of course, I'm getting together. And then even the moms that don't want me to play a role in the children's lives, a lot of them do feel more open to having relationships with the other moms or having their kids have relationships with their siblings. So a lot of them get together. So I know have like two kids in Tennessee, one in Memphis, or Nashville, and they get together all the time. The
moms are quite close. So they have these groups, some of the Israeli moms are quite close to each other, and they keep in touch with each other. So there's a organic groups that were created, sometimes just based on where they're located, or if they had common cultural, you know, sometimes the Haitian moms might be closer to each other. But a lot of times it's just geographically for moms in Florida with kids that are similar in age, then they're gonna be getting together quite
often. And same with the kids similar ages in Jersey might be getting together often for playdates.
Yeah, so with 140 kids, has there been any other health issues like with the baby's like with the birth with, like birth defects or autism or anything like that?
Of course, you know, I have 140 kids, you know, wanting 22 males are going to be autistic. That's just the general you know, statistic. So the math never lies, I'm pretty sure that, you know, if I have 60 boys that there's going to be, you know, three autistic boys, they're somewhere on the
spectrum. Obviously, if I see anything concerning where something comes out of the norm, where I have more than what would typically be appropriate, that'd be something that I could be alerted to, and then maybe make adjustments or retire. So, you know, I had a child born last month and the child was tongue tied, you know, and I never heard of that before, but they'd love to look that up. And it was like 11% of the children are born tongue tied. So that's something I could watch out for. But
what is that? Exactly? That's a medical thing.
That's something that's easily fixable. You just the clip the tongue, but apparently 11% of people are born tongue tied. It's something where like, the tongue is stuck to the bottom palate, I'm not quite sure. That's good. Yeah, they they snip it, and sometimes it corrects itself or something along those lines. So she was she reached out to a lot of the other moms say, Hey, did any of the other moms or any of you
tongue tie. So the it's something that they were able to do when a lot of them support each other. Sometimes, there might be a baby shower, and then other moms will throw the baby shower for the new expecting moms. So that happens sometimes. And I don't know who's going to be attending this gender reveal, but it's in Connecticut, I might have some other Connecticut moms joining.
Okay, so yeah, you're busy man. So like with the when you do the meet up, because you've done a couple of these the old fashioned way, but usually it's a soft, it's this cup or something that you hand off to them. And you've done it and like Target bathrooms and things like that.
It's a menstrual cup. So it's something that women use for their period. So they would put this cup in when they're on their period to prevent the blood from leaking out. But of course, you could also put the sperm there and then insert it and then the cup will actually be holding the sperm close to the cervix. So we'd have left to swim. And then maybe even if they were on lying down, the
sperm wouldn't fall out. Because a lot of times what we're doing is just on the go when they're not lying down in bed afterwards. So it's just an easy, simple way, it probably works just the same as that I've done it the old fashioned way. And don't think it's any kind of, you know, giving you any kind of extra benefit, but just not necessary that we sleep with
each other. And of course, you know, maybe when I started, it was possible for me to conceive the children the old fashioned way, just because I wasn't helping, you know, five women in a month. But if I'm helping five women in a month, there's really no way I can protect these other women if I'm having unprotected sex with them. So it just makes it a little easier where I could just put it on a couple of my
putting myself at risk. And then I know that you know each of these women are not going to, you know, attract any kind Have STD because that would be the last thing I want. That would be a lot of difficult phone calls. God forbid if I had an STD and then I would have to contact you know, 30 partners. Even if I get tested once a month, that just really wouldn't even work because I could sometimes make 15 donations in a month. Of course, it varies. Sometimes you have to three people ovulating
the same day. And then sometimes a week goes by and nobody asks me for a donation. Of course, today, someone tested positive on Vegas, but because it was Father's Day, and I have this event on Sunday, I don't know. I just felt like I bailed on her. She she understood I think it was I have someone ovulating in Atlanta this weekend. So I thought maybe I'd go there. But most of the time, most of my kids are just in the New York area. I have around 50 Kids in New York.
Okay, so let's talk about the moms. So some of them you said obviously lesbian couples, some single moms. Is there any heterosexual couples where the father can't shoot in blanks or whatever you call it?
Yep. Sure. Sometimes it's not as common but the there is I have a woman pregnant in Florida. Now we're meant to heterosexual couple. Of course, I already have a heterosexual couple in Florida, as well. And then in a couple of other states. And of course, it varies. Sometimes it's more than likely they they don't really want me to play a role as much. And then sometimes it's a heterosexual couple. Yeah, I have one in Queens. You know, I was gonna go visit when the baby
was born. And she was like, my, my husband's here, husband. He's like, Yeah, in fact, what was interesting is that this baby's less than a year old. He's nine months. And she tried with me and her husband on the same day. And then she wasn't sure who the father was. So I just had her to like, ancestry kind of thing where she did my heritage, she paid the $50, just to see who the father was, because she wasn't really sure when the baby was born, who the child looks
like. So that's what we ended up doing. I think the husband didn't really want any children. He was a little older. But it turns out that was the father.
Okay, interesting. And so you don't do any background checks on these women. The fertility clinics don't either, though, they but you will help anybody. They'll help anybody who can pay you'll help anybody for free. That's kind of the difference there. Right?
Essentially, yep. And, you know, we're more or less asking similar questions, except for the fact that, you know, you know, I would ask maybe their age, because if they were at 40s, I'm gonna still
help them. But maybe I would suggest using a clinic, sometimes, we can't use a clinic in the United States, I can advise them on how to get health coverage, where would give them insurance, so that we could use a clinic in the US otherwise, I would suggest clinics abroad that we could be able to go to help them conceive a lot of times. So I was in Canada this week, helping a woman conceive and then I'll be going to Mexico probably next month to help women conceive. So sometimes
it's Eastern Europe. I've been to a lot of countries, the vast majority of the time, it's not to help them in from Eastern Europe. It's to help women who are maybe from the US or from Germany, where the laws are more restrictive, or the costs are more limited. So we would just go to a cheaper clinic where the laws are more lacks.
Yeah, cuz some of the women that you've donated to we're not in a good place mentally, or financially. I know there was you talked about one woman who was schizo affective, but there was a lot of people that stepped in to help take care of that baby. Do you think it would help to have a vetting process like I know you want to help these women? Not to say no, but to say, hey, let's wait until you know you have a good
job. So you're financially stable, and then I will help you like or do you think it's just it's you can't police that something? You can't police?
Well, you know what, I met this woman who was schizoaffective. And honestly, you wouldn't know. You know, because if she's not having an episode, there's really no way to know she was like, very lovely. You know, I guess if I really wanted to be invasive, I could have given her a blood test and say, Hey, listen, I want to give you a blood test. Make sure you're not on any psychotic meds. And the truth is, had I done that, which is quite extreme. Nothing would have shown up because she wasn't
on meds. That was part of the problem that she wasn't taking her psychotic meds. So that's why when the baby was born, the baby ended up. You know, she ended up having an episode because she was off the meds. But you know, I think the Child Protective Services, was going to put the kid in foster care, and they called me and they said, If you don't pick up the baby today, we're the child's
going in foster care. And I just asked some other moms that I have children with is anyone able to help out and immediately, dozens and dozens of them said whatever you need, you know, we'll take care of the baby because, you know, first of all, a lot of these moms are single moms. Yeah. Not single moms and they only have one child so they have only children. So they love the fact that their child might be able to get to play with their sibling. A lot of a lot of them
wanted another child. But then because of maybe their health or their age, they weren't able to have another child. So for them, it was a big blessing to be able to raise another child. In the end, I chose a family that was just living locally who was fostering other children. And they were already part of the system. And they're doing a great job. In fact, that was over a year ago, because this was February 2022. And the child is still with this family. And, of course, he's not growing up
with strangers. He's growing up with his brother. And as he's being raised by a lovely family, and really thriving, of course, we're hoping and praying that the mother will regain custody. It's a slow process. So they did a supervised visits. Now it's on supervised visits, but at least during the process, the child so thriving and not with strangers, but with family.
Yeah, it is interesting, though, because there really there's no law for that. Even if it's a people just doing the old fashioned way and having babies like there's no law that says you have to be ready to have a child like, you could just have a child. It's interesting, just because I was I was a school counselor for 17 years. So I saw a lot of that
working with kids. And what I like that is that, you know, in your situation, these kids can still call you like you said, they know who you are, you'd be surprised how many kids I talked to that were some of the neatest kids I've ever met my wife and they had no idea who their father was, it was heartbreaking. So
it is in that they struggle with identity issues, you know, a lot of the moms that reached out to me, they were so close with their dad. So for them to have a child that's never going to know who their father is, was just too traumatic for them. And they said, I don't want my child to experience that. And then the reverse was true, too. I had a lot of moms that reached out to me that had no idea who their
father was. And they were suffering with identity issues till this day just looking at strangers or dreaming about who their father may or may not be looking at random people on the street saying is that my dad and trying to track down their father and for them to put their
kids through the same thing. So it was working both ways get moms that were close to their diet and moms that never knew their dad all just want to make sure that their kid doesn't suffer from that same predicament and knows who their father is.
Yeah, absolutely. Well, I know you've talked about this before, too. But the so the child support things I know I'm sure a lot of people wondering about that. That's something we're typically when you have an agreement with this person, that they're not going to come after you for child support. But there's no contract that you can sign. So you're it's kind of like a on your word kind of thing. And most of them have not come after you. But there have
been a handful. And now at this point, because what is the how's it works something about like, after the fifth person, like each person, subsequent person that chases after you is going to get less money. So at this point, it wouldn't even really make sense for someone to do that. Right?
Well, I'd like to think that they're just honest and have good character. And that's the reason they don't do it. But it's true, they wouldn't get as much as the first but each state has different laws, New York's a minimum pay state. So they would always collect something, you know, when even $50 a week might be a real struggle for me, but then everybody could use $50 a week. So there's still a minimum amount amount that I would pay, even though maybe my income might be below the poverty line.
But yeah, it's remarkable the fact that over 130, moms did not file for child support, that they really were just so few that ended up going back on their word. My trying to think, I think it's really it's the youngest is maybe eight years old. So that means in the past eight years, I haven't had any moms. And that was really the vast majority of my children. So I think I only have maybe like another 15 years of child support before I can actually start saving for retirement.
Yeah, I think one of the other interviews you did that guy, I think it was a lawyer or something. He said, these moms can sue you for civil negligence. Have you? Is that something you're worried about or concerned about at all?
That doesn't even make any sense. Civil negligence, I can't even imagine. I'm not a lawyer, they could they could sue for child support. That's about all they could sue for. I've never heard of another parent. So in the other parent for civil negligence, you know, the opposite is true as well, I really could fall for custody of my children. And you know,
that's the agreement. The agreement is obviously this is the most precious thing in their life, and I'm not going to file for custody, I let the parents make 100% of the decisions. But they're all amazing moms, and I love their children dearly. So I'm very blessed in that regard. But I certainly disagree with lots of the decisions. You know, there's all sorts of different parenting styles. You know, I have a lot of moms that are
homeschooling. You know, it just makes no sense to me because they're sending me the homework for the kid you know, so I could do the kids homework because the kid doesn't know how to do the homework and I'm like, maybe they don't know how to do the homework. Maybe you shouldn't be homeschooling. So you know of course also the social reasons that the million one reasons I'm a big proponent of homeschooling, I just think it should be done after they get
home from school. You then go homeschool them you don't have to have the homeschool the whole day. You could just have them go to school till two o'clock and then you homeschool them from three to seven but when they go to bed, I got a lot of moms that are anti vaxxers And, you know, I obviously I'm not an anti Vaxxer I'm pro vaccine, a lot of them are out of the school, they can't enter the school system because the moms are anti vaxxers. So, yeah, that's
problematic. Yeah. This they're anti everything, you know, the anti hate speech therapy, oh, now mine funding and talk Foley's for I don't want to get my kid any kind of speech therapy and all sorts of just wacky things, you know. But of course, the most of them I couldn't, are nothing but amazing mothers. And I think, in the end, whether the kid gets the vaccine and doesn't get the vaccine, I'm sure they'll do
fine. You know, I think as long as they have a lot of love in their life, that's really all they need.
So I mean, you're kind of like annoyed, but you're not really suit that frustrated, because that's kind of like the deal you made, right, is that you're not really gonna get it have a say?
Correct. Exactly. Yeah. Not only that, I won't even mention it to them, I'll tell you, but I'm not gonna care quarterbacking their parenting style, or their parenting decisions. That's the arrangement we made. And I'm gonna stick by that arrangement. If they asked for my advice, and I'll certainly share it. Yeah, I had parents that was struggling a little bit financially, and then they're sending their kids to like, Catholic school. And I'm like, you know, you could just send the kids to public
school. Education, I'll be free. And home. If you're really struggling, maybe that might be the I don't know, but, but generally, it's really a hands off approach. They make 100% of the decisions, they get to name the child, even if I disagree with the name. I think that's good. So effective mom. That was probably the first indication that I thought she was a little off because she was coming up with all sorts of wacky names. And I'm like, No, you can't do
that. That's unfair. And that, of course, she declined this special case shot and they used to throw mice in and just the vitamins like he was just anti wall modern science, you know?
Wow, interesting. So this is Father's Day weekend? How many cards and phone calls and presents? Do you get on a father typical Father's Day?
You know, I'm going to try and do Did you know, the truth is, I don't know I don't, I still don't even know if I'm going to be at a town because that tells you I had this couple, and they Lana that was asking me to come out this weekend that I really, it's gonna be hard to get away, I'm probably going to bail on them.
So I could be local. I'm going to probably do a dinner, that's usually what I'll do with a whole bunch of my kids, whoever can make it to New York, you know, and celebrate that there will be a lot of phone calls and video chats and messages. It's a fun day for me.
Okay, yeah. Cuz you talk about, you know, how you're bringing joy to these people, you're helping them out. But I was worried about you. Like, I mean, you seem very happy. But does this doing this, it makes you happy?
You know, I think, you know, my four brothers and two sisters, and their very traditional families are also very, very happy. You know, it's funny, because I think a lot of these women choose me because I'm very full, I'm 62. Or they choose me because I have blue eyes, and they want their children to have blue eyes. Sometimes they choose me because I'm Jewish. You know, I don't really care if my kids are Jewish or not, obviously, they're all different faiths.
Sometimes they do because I'm good at math, you know, and they were like, oh, I want my child to be good at math, you know, that's hereditary. The one attribute that I would like my children to have, and they don't really care if they're Jewish, or they're good at math, or they're tall, or if they have blue eyes, but I'm happy. And I think that's a lot of it might be hereditary. And I'm hoping that they at least inherit that gene, because that's really all I wished for my children is that
they should be happy. So when I had been happy in a traditional family short, does this bring me a lot of happiness? Of course, but I think happiness probably has less to do with your predicament or to do with your outlook.
What makes you feel like it's your job to help these women? I mean, obviously, these women need help. I mean, if you're a lesbian couple, you need somebody to do this. But why? Why do you feel a duty to do this? Because it's often to the detriment of yourself in terms of your time and your finances? I mean, a lot of your time and money has wrapped up in this right? I mean, doesn't that hurt you a little bit?
No, it's funny talk about time and finances, you find me a parent that isn't struggling with time and finances. That's true of every parent. And I have a busy busy week. That's true. But it's like all joyous occasions. You know, I went to an award ceremony yesterday, I went to graduation today, my daughter got more awards and like, it's just like, just really a lot of fun. So no, I look at it as a chore. And I don't think any parent really is looking at parenting as a chore.
It's their greatest joy. So, no, I certainly enjoy it. I think in many ways. If you take one single mom, you know raising one child is probably doing more work than I'm doing for all my 140 because they you know if I want to go to Atlanta tomorrow, they're just gonna hop on a plane and fly to Atlanta. I almost was gonna head to Vegas tomorrow to help this woman and I don't need to call anybody to get coverage for babysitting or anything, I really can just pick
up and go. And none of the other mothers that are raising any of my 140 children can do that they all have responsibilities, and they don't have a five minute break unless they find coverage for those five minutes. So I'm a little uncomfortable with people saying of the sacrifices that I'm making, if anything, it's really these wonderful moms that the sacrifices that they make are really the reason I'm able to do this 140 times.
Yeah, but like, Do you have any like time to yourself? Or do you have like, time with the guys where you do like a guy's trip to Vegas or stuff like that? Or is that just not interested you.
Of course, like, I would have, I would have probably like a rockstar Vegas because, you know, this woman that was ovulating only needed me for five minutes. Time I would have been just enjoying life. Of course, I have a couple that's pregnant in Vegas. So obviously, I would have gotten together within you know, maybe hit a buffet at home. But the rest of the time, I would have been enjoying life. I'm doing a
lot of traveling. I was in Canada, I was in Florida this week, I travel quite a lot, almost every weekend, sometimes. That can be a little draining. But it's also joyful. This is a lot of fun there. And you know, I was traveling when I was in my 20s to you know, was 17. I got into the motorcycle accident, I was traveling to 40 countries, I'd land in a country and then I would have to navigate and figure out well, where am I going to sleep tonight? Where am
I going to eat tomorrow. And now when I land in the country, or a city or a state to I get picked up in the airport, usually by the mom, you know, and then they take me to their home. And they say hey, let's go to my favorite restaurants. You know, it's like it's a whole new way to travel. My parents were in Florida and I bet they're ready to relocate to New York because they're really just snowbirds. But they stayed
a little longer. And I was going to help them drive their car down from Florida to New York. And you know, I don't need them to join because my dad's at my mom's 75 I'm like you fly I'll take the car, I'll road trip. And for me, I won't need a hotel because I'm going to drive from
Florida. And then I have kids in Georgia and have kids in South Carolina and then North Carolina and then Virginia, then Pennsylvania, Maryland, and then Pennsylvania, you name it the whole state all up along these coasts that have kids and every single one of those states, I don't need a hotel. Wherever I'm going. So, you know, that's a blessing to
Yeah, cuz in a lot of these women will pay for you the airfare and stuff for you to come visit or to do the exchange are those things right? Or sometimes
is sorry,
sometimes the women will pay for you to travel to like to do the exchange or things like that.
Oh, that's, that's true. Yep. Yes, that is true. The woman from Canada reimbursed me for my IVF there. Of course, I went to Canada right at the height of their smoke. It was funny because it was right in the eye. And it was a couple of days ago. Yeah, that they do reimburse me more often than not, for my travels from going Of course, the usually I'm going to help a woman could see but then I'll also go and try and visit some children as well. I just got my daughter in Mexico,
a US passport this week. So I want to try and visit her before she starts traveling.
Do you think that this is kind of a weird question. But do you think this there's like an addiction piece to this? Like, are you kind of addicted to the feeling of the joy of having a baby born? Or the excitement of seeing the woman's face? Or whatever it is the piece of this? Is there some sort of like thing that you really liked that feeling? And you want to keep doing that? Or is this a point where you're going to retire from this?
I mean, I'm 47. So I think retirement is in the cards, the obviously, my age, it might have some increased health risks. I don't really feel comfortable, you know, helping women grow their families when I'm in my 50s. So I think you know, is going to end up as far as an addiction, I'm not really an addictive. I don't know if that's such a thing. Addicted to having kids. From that I invented now, I don't have an addictive personality. I'm not addicted to smoking or drinking
or anything else. So no, I don't think so. You know, someone's asking for my help. So I can say, Listen, I can't help you because someone might think I'm addicted, you know? And they'd be like, Well, I don't really care what they think. You know, it's not about me having my 41st child. This is about helping this woman in Vegas, who doesn't have any children, okay, and she's 41 years old, and she's
not legal here. So she can't travel to another country to get the fertility treatment and she can't afford fertility treatment here or get a job that would help give her her health insurance. So it's like the only way is really just me flying out there and trying with her each month. So yeah, I kind of you get invested in their journey. Certainly, you know, I had an IVF yesterday and I missed it because they had this award ceremony. So I went earlier and I froze it and this woman owns a
daycare. her house and she just doesn't take any kids, she takes the troubled kids, the kids that no other take care accepts, okay. And then she also has a dog that she adopted from the, from the pounds and this dog is crippled, you know, and like, this woman is like a special soul, you know, and I'm going to tell her now and help you because, you know, people are gonna think that they, you know, have too many kids now, but this is not about me in my journey of, you know, populating the
Earth. This is a very, very, very special woman who's just an amazing person. And I think was meant to be a mother, you know, that's what these healthcare worker, these daycare workers are, you know, if you have a nursery or you're working in a daycare, you're not doing it for the money. You know, you just love children, and you're meant to be a mother and that's your life's purpose, and being able to help play a role in helping these women achieve their
greatest life purposes. I mean, I guess that could be addicting. You know, I'm helping people. But I don't need any more children.
Yeah. Do any of the kids or the moms are they angry with you now resent you are mad at you at all? Or I mean, like, maybe temporarily, but any you're like, are fully like just they're, they're really mad at you right now. Like, I mean, maybe these child support moms are the other ones.
I mean, this 140 moms? Some of them? Yeah. I mean, I like of course, yeah. Then I am sure it with 140 children, some of the kids that can be upsetting me to know,
how many are teenagers?
How come you weren't there for me, you know, like, I couldn't even come to my graduation. I couldn't be in and, of course, there's, you know, some of these, some of these moms moved, you know, to the middle of nowhere, you know, it's just difficult to visit, I have moms that are mad at me, how can you not come to visit to my daughter, I'm in the, you know, I have in Louisiana, but it's like, not in Orleans, it's like four hours from New Orleans. I'm like, how I get
there. You know, it's like, that's just a, it's just off the beaten path. You know, so sometimes they get upset, you know, but I'm doing my best to try and keep them all happy. And, you know, I do a lot of apologies. You know, whether I did something wrong or not, sometimes an apology goes a long way. You know, sometimes I'll have Chet GPT write them that, you know, they're all sincere, because I really do care about the my children and my
children's moms. So. But yeah, of course, not all of them are going to be the happy. I think some of them are disappointed to but the vast majority of them think I'm the greatest thing since sliced bread. And then you have you know, some that just think I'm the devil. And I think that's just the nature of it. And once again, I don't think it has anything to do. Some of them are going to say, well, you have a dad on planet Earth, you know, and I already know that's a lie.
But then others are gonna call me the devil. And I know that's not true, either.
What do you think makes a good father? Like, how would you?
Yeah, I don't really need to go any further than my father. My father was an amazing father, you know, because he took me into bed at night and told me bedtime stories, you know, which I'm not always able to do with my children. You know, he's provided for me financially, that in a position to do that. I had a mom today asked me can you help out with
diapers? Yeah, our daughters one, the first time she asked me for anything, and I'm pretty tapped, you know, but I can't say no. Like, I, I, I catch that. $20. And I don't know how many how many. That was the first package type is important. You know, I'm not providing for my kids financially, you know, it's almost token amounts, just to let them know that, you know, I care. So, you know, I know what a good father is. Because I had a great father. Yeah. But
I'll do my best. And I think like you say any role I play is probably better than whatever this frozen anonymous sperm donor would have played. And I think perhaps what they're losing maybe in having a full time father, they'll gain from having so many brothers and sisters that they'd be able to
bond with. But I think the greatest gift my parents gave me was not the space shuttle I got when I was eight years old, you know that they mailed away all but UPC codes from the cereal boxes to get or whatever, whatever gift they bought me. The greatest gift they gave me were my brothers and sisters, you know, who, you know, you only have your parents. Thank God, I'm 47 years old, and my parents are still alive. But, you know, I won't have them for
the rest of my life. But my brothers and sisters, you know, it's safe to say that I'll have them for the rest of my life. So I think that's maybe the greatest gift I gave my children to or their brothers and sisters.
Yeah, well, thank you. I just got I don't have any kids. But I have I have two cats. I just got a kitten. And I mean, it just got this kidney so adorable. And I just can't imagine like if just after a couple of days, I'm like, I'm in love with this kitten. I gotta be around them all the time. You ever feel that way with your kid like, oh my god, I'm in love with this kid. But now you you know you're there all over the place. They're in different
states, different countries. I mean, do you miss these kids? Like, do you get attached to them and then you have to leave and because that would make me really sad I would think
Yeah, that does make me it and that's it from me, because I'm going to just move on to other kids, you know, but I was in Asia visiting my prep two kids in Southeast Asia and I was visiting them and yeah, I went for like two days. Yeah, it's so inadequate, you know, and the kids three years old, and they cry when you leave, you know, and you're like, wow, they really deserve you know, more time. And they really, really
do. Yeah, but of course, I gotta live here, I get relocate by got a job here, you know, none of this is paying the bills. So I forgot to keep my Yeah, my day job. So yeah, it makes me sad, because I know that they really deserve more, and I'm not able to provide for it, you know?
So would you eventually want to meet a nice woman and settle down and have a fat family the old fashioned way? Would you ever want to do that?
That sounds nice. You know, first of all, certainly not while I'm helping other women grow their families, they just don't see that as an option. Even women say they'll accept it. I don't have the time. And I don't have the money that the relationship would require. And ultimately, the woman would just be making too much sacrifice. That really would be just be unfair. Yeah, yeah. Well, wouldn't that be nice, have File Info a family that I could raise full time, I'm already a bit off more than
I can chew. If I start being a full time parents at any one of my children, ultimately, inevitably, that's taking away. I think, just the time that I get to spend from the other kids, I think, unfortunately, that it's really not in the cards for me, and I think I already have my hands full. And I don't think taking on additional responsibility, like being a full time dad would be responsible.
So you don't feel like you deserve it.
deserve. And I'm not really lacking love in my life, you know, like getting a pet either. It's certainly traveled too much for that. But a lot of my mom's are cat ladies. Yeah. You know, a lot of cats, because they had one mom and she had over 20 cats. And she couldn't afford the fertility treatment, because all of her money went to her cats. And I said, we just have to give up the cats. And we can go through IVF because she was already in her 40s. And I'm like, you know, but she couldn't
do it. You know, she doesn't have any children. Now she's just taking care of all these cats.
Yeah. Wow. That's interesting, too.
And it's, it's interesting, because she would have just been an amazing mother. She was just such a caring individual. Like we would get together and she would have cats in her trunk with the heaters, you know, because she had to nurse them every three hours. So she can't just leave them at home. She has to nurse them because these are rescues. You know, like they she's getting them as infants. Like it was step she was dedicating her
whole life. Yeah. And she wasn't able to have children because of it.
Wow, that's interesting. Yeah. I think the people that the haters like, I don't know, if they really have gotten to know you and listen to it, because it seems like I mean, I don't know what's in your heart. But I mean, it seems like from what you're telling me, the interviews I've seen, seems like you're trying to help people. Am I wrong?
Yeah, you know, it's true. In my heart, it feels like I'm doing the right thing. You know, even though of course, I'm making mistakes, you know, but, you know, when I'm meeting the woman, and during and after, and seeing all these families, that I was able to help grow and the children and how happy they are and how well they're doing, you know, certainly in my heart of hearts, it feels like I'm doing
the right thing. But of course, you know, when the time will tell, but you know, what would have been, obviously, maybe limiting it to 10 or 20 families, you know, but then I look at all these other families that I was able to help and you know, how wonderful that kids are doing and, and not really
lacking anything. You know, a lot of these kids are growing up in a two parent household, you know, which sometimes people have issues with, like, why you helping the single moms, you know, but, you know, rather than, like hammer on half the families or lesbian families, you know, you of course, you have these heterosexual moms, so even the ones that are against the single moms, you know, that would be a little difficult for them to really come out against the heterosexual couples, you
know, or even lesbian moms. And then, you know, plus, and my parents have raised seven kids, and I think did a great job of the single moms have one or two children, the ratio was actually better these kids are getting as much or more attention, you know.
Yeah, it's an interesting topic. Like I said, I was a school counselor. So I worked with fan, I've worked with every kinds of family and it's just interesting to see. I mean, I don't know, I don't know if that I'm the one to judge. I don't know a bit. I mean, I do say like I said, like, at least these kids can, they can call you they can maybe that you're not around all the time for every event or whatever, but at least they know who you are.
They can call you and talk to you and if the mom so allows it. So
yeah, they don't have to feel different. You know, there's a Father's Day event at school and I'm able to come you know, and they don't have to feel left out I was in Israel this month, helping a woman plus her five kids there. So I was visiting them, and I missed the watermelon contest in Jersey. And I already know I wouldn't want it, you know, and my daughter cried because I didn't show it was like a father watermelon eating contest. Maybe
she knew I would have won. So she was crying like, oh, so that was the end of that, you know, you sometimes you miss out. But you know, I'm very close with a
lot of my children. And like you say, sometimes if you just video chat that some of them I'm sure will be upset wonder how come I wasn't the more active, you know, like, have a kid in Virginia would like come to my house and play, you know, and I'm like, not realizing that it's like a five hour journey and five hours back, you know, like, it's just not feasible. You know, but there's sometimes kids don't understand that. I don't know.
Yeah, it's fascinating stuff. Well,
the statistics, the math doesn't lie. And the statistics on single parent households are never very good.
Kids with the father not present in the child's life that isn't that really a great statistic, I mean, more likely for depression, more likely for, you know, criminal records, like all of that, you know, but I think that's really looking for situations that maybe doesn't, I'm hoping and praying that maybe that's not applicable to this situation where there was a dad involved, they do know what the Father was, or these were single mothers by choice, or maybe there's two mothers in the
picture. Like, there's all sorts of different scenarios. And I like to think that maybe that's not going to be the case. Even though I have a mathematician, you know, the math doesn't lie. But I think in this scenario, it's the statistics on single parent households that are in different situations. They were struggling financially, or they had other issues that may be you know, and it was wasn't a dad,
that was Mia here in Sudan. Did you know that they could they at least they know they're very much loved and cared about, even if I can't be there.
Exactly. Yeah. Well, I mean, you've done a lot of these big talk shows like you did Drew Barrymore, and Dr. Oz Dr. Asa, did you say he's gonna have you on a third time?
But this shows off the air. So yeah, he did. Okay, well, I think he went into politics. Maybe he'll restart his show again, but he gave up his show to run for Senate. Yeah. Well,
I knew he okay. I knew I didn't know that his show, quote. I thought he was maybe just on hiatus. Okay, that makes sense. Yeah. Because he, it was interesting on the on the last one, he said, I want to have him back. And I want to discuss this, like, I want to get to the root of this, or whatever. And I was just like, I was curious what he was going to ask you or what he was going to talk to you about to get to the word.
Yeah. Well, when I went on the show twice, you know, the other people say, well, he wasn't so nice to hear. But I was like, No, that's what he's supposed to do. If I can't answer his tough questions, and you're I really shouldn't be doing what I'm doing. If I can't answer questions about it, and it helps me think more about it. Whether I'm doing the right thing. So, you know, I thought
it was wonderful. You know, I think it's good to know, but nobody wants to be here wrote an interview where they're not, you know, going to ask you to put you know, I don't want to see Trump on Sean Hannity, you know, I want to see MSNBC, you know, let him Let him go to those views, you know,
now that's true. That's good. Yeah, I think it was, I can't remember it was Maury or oz. And they had some of the moms that you've, that you've worked with, and, and they all loved you. They all praised you. I don't know if they pick those ones, or that's just the majority of the ones that you've dealt with.
It's the vast
majority. Yeah. And I'm lucky in the way that the ones that hate me, you know, like these handful that sued me for child support, like those four moms, they're embarrassed to go back, because they can say whatever they want, you know, there's really, you know, you know, I forgave them because whatever, you know, the money's gone to my kids, it's not going to pay parking ticket, but the people that can't forgive them are these other moms who I helped, you know, because they see me struggle
financially, you know, that
makes them upset, you know. And in the end, these moms didn't take money away from me, because my money would have went to my kids anyway, I just would have distributed it more equitably, I would have given it to you know, and when she asked for its diapers, I would have to give it at $20, which maybe would last two weeks, I could have given 40 Now give me the case, you know, they give me the diapers for the month, you know, I mean, that's really where the money would have went.
Yeah, I mean, I worry about I worry about you. I worry about the moms and I worry about these kids, but you seem to have a good outlook on it. I think everything's gonna be fine.
Oh, yeah, for sure. Of course, I'm a positive person, you know, and, yeah, the mean, so far, so good. So that's promising. You know, kids to happy healthy, you know, moms are happy, you know. And you're my mom. I'm always happy. Exactly. Yeah.
All right. Well, yeah, I always end every episode promoting a charity. Is there a charity that you that you work with that people could donate to or you
I mean, it should be like a charity for kids would be promoting but, you know, maybe I would say just Charity begins at home, you know, give it give it to your, you know a family member who needs it. You got a brother a lost a job or, you know, that's that's really the best charity then you know it's gone to the right spot and you could give it just like as a big birthday present or something it does add a little bit to their
birthday present. But I think that's the charity where they don't even know they're getting charity. They think they're just getting it, you know, a graduation gift or a birthday present, you know? No.
All right. Sounds good. Well, thanks so much for doing this. I'll get this episode up soon. And in advance, I'm sure.
My six year old daughter has some kind of father daughter karate event that I'm about to hit. So I gotta practice my karate chop.
Well, good luck with that. Thanks so much again. Nice chatting, you bet. Well, there you have it. Ari Nagel, fascinating story. What do you think? Is he a hero for helping couples and single moms have a baby who couldn't otherwise conceive? Or is this reckless behavior of an egomaniac? Let me know in the comments. curious what your thoughts are. I just asked you to be respectful. I appreciate all your support for the show and our guests. And I want to thank Ari again for taking the time to do my
podcast. He's obviously a very busy man. Thank you all for listening or watching this. Have a great rest of your day and shoot for the moon.