All right, Andy Haynes is my guest today very funny comedian who's been on Conan James Corden Comedy Central Adam Ruins Everything roast battle a bunch of other stuff. He was nice enough to do my podcast today. And we talked about the Seattle comedy scene where he started navigating the woke culture with comedy, how he found sobriety or mutual respect for comedian Fahim. Anwar and so much more time flew right by so check it out.
Yeah, it's like Mike Birbiglia sent this to my wife to do a podcast once, which is very bizarre to just send an entire microphone, because we have microphones too, but I just thought I'd try it because then I don't have to get out the zoom and all that. So
we did. So is your wife a comedian, too?
She is. Yeah. And I always Rosebud Baker. Okay. She's, she's doing great. She's like an SNL writer. Things like that.
Oh, wow. Okay, I didn't know that. I thought I did my research and found some No,
you're all good. I prefer people not to know that makes me seem better.
Yeah, so well, your things are going pretty good for you. Can we can we say can I tell my audience why you had to reschedule? That's kind of exciting.
Oh, yeah. I mean, so I wasn't, I wasn't on the fest, but I got like invited to be there all day. I didn't perform there was kind of like a big hang. And like they were like making kind of like sketches and content and stuff. And like at like 11am My wife who's on the festival she's doing the festival was like, Do you want to come? Bert wanted to know if you wanted to come hang out and I was like, yeah
Bert crashers This is a show he does or what is it?
It's called fully loaded. It's actually coming to your guys's it's the last state is at the gorge. So it's like, all around the country and like little like, last night was at Forest Hills. The Knights tonight is in Baltimore. It kind of goes like to a bunch of cities and they either do like a small arena or like, there's a lot of like, minor league baseball stadiums. They're almost all outdoors though. So kinda like a, like a two or three hour Comedy Festival.
Okay, yeah, that'd be fun. Yeah, it'd be fun to do the gorge. I'm actually in Scottsdale now. But I'm originally from Seattle. Same as you know, you and you must be in LA then or I'm in New York. New York. Okay. Yeah,
I'm east coast. Damn.
Okay. Yeah, cuz I thought at one point were you in San Francisco. Are you in California somewhere? Right?
Yeah, I lived in LA for six years. I moved. I started comedy in Seattle. And then I pretty quickly after like nine months had graduated from I wasn't even in Seattle. I was in Bellingham. And then I graduated and moved to Washington, DC. Did that for a couple years. And then I did New York. Then I moved to LA and about six years after moving to LA I decided I'd like New York better.
Okay, nice. Yeah. So tell me about when you're in when you're going to Western. I'm assuming that's where you are. Right. If you're in Bellingham, yeah. So you went to Western and then you were doing stand up in Seattle talk about the Seattle comedy scene then like who are the because there was that was like for him? Was there Jeff dye those guys or who else was there around?
Yeah, I mean to him, and I overlapped very briefly in Seattle. He'd started a couple years before me, and I saw him a couple of times. And then he moved to LA. And he was like a engineer at Boeing, and then decided to go full time and stand up. Jeff and me started pretty close to each other. And when I moved to Washington, DC, I came back and Jeff was like, kind of a name around the area. I mean, he was like, doing pretty well for himself. There was a couple other people that
popped up. I mean, I had introduced Roy Scoble to everybody in Seattle. So he started coming out there quite a bit. And his kind of creative partner that he works a lot with is a guy from Spokane that I met in Seattle named Scott Moran, and they still do everything together. All the various specials has been with Scott and Scott did stand up at the time, but now we've kind of just focuses on the production directing kind of stuff. When I when I came back to when I started it was basically all
kind of road dogs. It was like kind of all guys doing, like local gigs or not local gigs. But there wasn't anybody doing kind of good. The comedy was good, but they weren't doing good gigs. It was it was pretty bleak. You know, it was like you would like you were just trying to get enough time together so that you could go to like Wouldn't achey or Billings, Montana or something like, that was like, kind of the vibe there?
Well even like headlining giggles or comedy underground, that's kind of a good guy. I thought it was like a weekend, right?
Yeah, that was kind of reserved for, there was a bunch of road dogs that would come through there, like, kind of guys that were a lot of bad comments, you know, and some good comics. But there was a lot of bad comics, it was kind of a bad place, it was kind of a bad scene to start in, just because you didn't really have something
to aspire to. Like, occasionally, Patton Oswald would come through and he would play like a theater or like a small black box, or you would have like Doug Stanhope would come through, or, you know, like one of the big theater comments would come through, like the Paramount or the more, but there wasn't like a lot of like, you know, now if you do comedy, if you start you can listen to like, literally hundreds of hours of podcasts on how to carry yourself, what you need to
have prepared, how to write a joke, how to network, all that stuff. There wasn't none of that. It was just like, go to a comedy club. Do the open mic, do it till somebody asked you to do another show? And then kind of like figure it out from there. There wasn't even podcast at that time. It was just because I started in 2005.
So how long did it take you to get from like doing open mics to like you actually getting into what would you the first thing is be like hosting an open mic or something or being a feature or something?
I want to say the first thing I got was like kind of a bar show. There was like, around that time this there was this thing called the alt scene in comedy. So it was like that was like comics for the first time deciding like not to do comedy clubs, and they're gonna go do like rock clubs more, kind
of like small music venues. And that was like Patton Oswald came out of that Zach Galifianakis Eugene Mirman, just like, you know, kind of not necessarily oddball, but just like comics, deciding they didn't really want to go this traditional route that had been laid out for them. And so they like started doing all of these smaller venues or bigger venues, but it was like not going through a comedy club. You weren't doing like a week.
Well, it's like that. I'm sure you saw your buddy Pete Holmes is show where they show that and I didn't know about the old thing until I saw that show. And I was like, Well, this is weird. They're doing like, comedy. And he's like, underground, like basements and people's like, garages and stuff was like, this is we like backyards. And yeah,
yeah, I mean, it got even crazier during the pandemic, or like, performing, I still see people that are performing outdoors. Outdoors is not really a good place for comedy, because you kind of want you want laughter to bounce around a room. You don't really want to have it float into the ether. But anyways, yeah, I my first kind of thing was I got like, maybe like a rock show, like a not like a rock show, like an old show at a bar, and I
got a good taste of it. But then I went out to visit my dad in Washington, DC. And there was like a really good comedy club, the DC improv, it's one of the best clubs in the country. And then on top of that, there was a lot of people my age, who kind of had a better understanding of like, how to do it, you know, like, you go to New York, you do these certain shows, you meet these certain people, you put together this kind of like portfolio, you tried to get Montreal, you try to get
representation. And we were all about 25 to 30. And it just like, it was so much more fun than going to like, I love the comedy underground and Seattle rip, it's closed, but it was very, it was a lot of old dudes. And there was a lot of bitterness. You know, there wasn't a lot of there was like, I went down to LA once and, you know, that somebody asked me, you know, like, what my what my best joke was, and I told him to fuck off and you're just like, alright, well, that's, that's
not very, doesn't help me. So I very quickly moved to Uber inspirational. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I'm trying to think I think there was more people that kind of came out of Seattle, but like Hari Kondabolu had been around and trying to think of some other folks. It's actually I would say that Seattle is doing the best that it's done in a long time. Now, there's a couple really good comedy clubs. There's some really good local comics that aren't going
anywhere. I mean, that's the problem with any smaller scene is what happens is you get good and you are like, well, I should go to LA or New York, or whatever, you know. And the nice thing about like a scene when people stick around is it goes RoHS and it kind of matures and then, you know, more people come from around the country, you know, like industry and things
like that. So it's in pretty good shape now, probably the best that I've seen it since, like, right around the 2006 2007, there was a really good old scene, and that kind of blew up after, you know, a couple of years. And then there's always been this kind of infighting with the comedy clubs. They're like, if you play this club, you aren't loyal to this club and don't you know, cross lines and all this stuff like that. And that doesn't really seem to be a problem anymore.
Oh, that's good. Yeah, I think I had I heard some of that down here in Phoenix. There's similar kinds of things. Like this guy said, like, if you play this club, then you can't play the other one. And I always thought that was so stupid. Yeah. Because I have like, four or five comedy clubs here. Have you ever come to Phoenix and do shows?
Yeah, I have. I've had some like, I did a weekend at a club that I don't think is there anymore. In Scottsdale. It's
the spot Comedy Spot. No, it was another
one. It was like, I think it was on Bar Rescue. Actually. It was like, oh, yeah, bar wrist and up Scottsdale or something. Yeah, yeah. And I actually had a blast there. The owner was like a complete character. But he took really good care of me. And I had a really fun week. But I don't think the club lasted and then kind of what's left is I think there's like, House of comedy. A couple improvs. There's another place called maybe CVX. Live
copper live. Yeah. And then just stir crazy on the west side a little bit smaller. And you could definitely headline now and easily.
Yeah, I played CVX Live at open for Natasha Leggero. there and it was really fun. But it was like, you know, you're not really like in the city at all. You're kind of out in a strip mall. Almost all of my experiences in Phoenix or Scottsdale are just like being on the periphery of the city. I don't think I've ever been in the city of Phoenix.
Oh, nobody is Yeah, because everything is so spread out here. It's not like Seattle, where it's all you know, or like New York. Everything's so congested. Everything here is just spread out. It's just tons of land. So
yeah. Everybody taught us balls. In the
summer. Yeah. Oh, I mean, some people think it's hot. And like March, they feel like it's like too much. So it just depending on the preference.
My wife is going to be there in like a month. I think she's going to be at the Tampa Bay in broth, which I think Tampa is part of Phoenix, right?
Tempe Yeah, it's like south of Phoenix like so there's Phoenix. And then there's Tempe and then there's Scottsdale. And then there's Glendale. That's where like the Cardinal Stadium is in the stir crazy Comedy Club. That hole used to be where the coyotes the hockey team was to and they're moving so everything's kind of
all over the place. So it's kind of funny, like when they have the super bowl here, because the Super Bowl is in Glendale, but then like the nightlife in Scottsdale, and then Phoenix, like the downtown is, you know, it's kind of like nothing really other than they do have the one comedy stand up live there.
I had a very, like funny Scottsdale, like, every single woman that I came across, I was married at the time, too. I had a different life. And so I wasn't like, you know, intermingling with any with any ladies. But like every single girl that I interacted with in Scottsdale was like platinum blonde, deeply tanned. Sounds right? And wanted nothing to do with me because I didn't play golf and not like buy them anything. I don't know what you're
thinking you played golf, because he was joking. Like, I looked like the Senator's nephew or something. Or like the ad,
they kind of came in thinking there might be some, some some money there. You know, like, there might have been a waitress or two there was like, Okay, this guy looks, you know, like, he might be part of the pedigree. And then, very quickly, you know, when I was like, How much is that extra? How much or if I had sweet potato fries, how much is like, alright, this guy?
Yeah, that's the sense extra UI for that. Yeah, I'll just take the regular.
Yeah, my first like, my first 10 years of comedy, maybe 10 years? Yeah, I think it's about my first 10 years. I was so broke, you know, it was like, everything was like so just hoping to break even on a weekend, you know, you'd fly somewhere. The airline ticket would be about half the price of what? You were gonna get paid
that weekend. And then, you know, like, you couldn't take a cab, because then that was like, you know, that was like $100 If you went both ways to the airport, because you know, there's never like an airport. That's convenient. I remember this one time. I was in like, Calgary, Alberta. And I had a flight in the morning and I was like, can't spend the $40 on the cab. I'm just too broke. You know, I was just always broke living in New York being kind of a I don't know what you call it.
Like a longshoreman i What do you call it, like, I just all I did was feature on the road. And which is like not the headliner, it's like kinda lacks, you don't get paid as much. And I took a bus at like, four in the morning that connected to like a light rail. And then it like, I got to the end of the light rail to take another bus to the airport. And that bus like didn't start for like another two hours. And so I just walked, you know, like four miles with all my luggage
to the, to the airport. And I just was like, it was worth it. I say $40. And I it was just not worth it at all. It was such a bleak existence. I was like making Top Ramen in my instant coffeemaker and all that, you know, like, it's just, yeah, you talk
about that in your standup about like, the stories about being broke and stuff. It's good material. So what happens though, when you start getting a little bit more money? I mean, I'm assuming you're doing better now. Do you have to reflect back on those times when you're poor? Do you talk about like, successful guy problems. I mean, no rich or anything now, I'm sure, but you're doing pretty
well. I'm not rich. But I've been rich ish. Like, not rich and like I can, you know, buy a second home type of thing. But you know, like, I've written for TV and had lots of money there. Or I've acted in a few things. And that made a lot of money. But I've never had, like, you know, money to put away to, you know, give to a money manager to deal with I've never had that kind of money. And the the thing I would say is that most successful comics, like it's changed a lot right
now. We're like, in a crazy time where I have multiple friends doing comedy making millions of dollars. And those are like, you know, Shane Gillis, his mark Norman, Sam morose, like those guys are selling at a different theater every night. But if you're just like, headlining and you're, you know, you're, you're able to headline your good comic, but you're not necessarily going to sell out every venue you're in. You, you make about as much as like a person that works at a tech job
entry level. So it's like, it's kind of interesting. You like, you're just trying to get to that level of success that would that a basic responsible job would pay, you know,
and it took years and years to get there.
Yeah, but I also was like a complete fuckup. You know, like, most
college graduate, I mean,
yeah, but I was like a pothead. I just smoked weed all day, I, you know, I tried to sleep with everybody that got within like five feet of me, I was just like, I was all over the place. And so I really, I got sober in 2014. And I really feel like that was starting over. Because that was like, I had, I've been an alcoholic, I'm, you know, I'm always gonna be an alcoholic. But I've been an active
alcoholic until about 2010. So my first six years of comedy, I was kind of a disaster and another way, and then I smoked pot all day, every day for about four years. So my first 10 years, I did a lot of stuff. But it was kind of all happenstance and luck, you know, it was like hard, more hard work mixed with showing up, right. But any of that kind of like, savvy and things like that I didn't, I didn't have any of that. It was just like, I did comedy as much
as I could. And I hung out with the right people and the right things came to me. But I didn't know how to leverage any of that into the next thing. Because now it's like, you get a special and off of that special, people kind of see what kind of persona you are, and you try to write a TV show or some other thing. And then you maybe develop along those lines. And then you kind of like, that's a more
traditional Hollywood way. And then the other way, which is like the new way now, which is like you start a podcast, your podcast gets pretty popular, you do a lot of social media marketing of yourself and whenever you're making or doing and then you can sell out venues. But that seems to also lean towards like a very specific audience, which is like young and male, and not necessarily conservative, but definitely not liberal. You know, just like the kind of
comedy. I think people are so sick of woke and so sick of kind of the preciousness that came out of the pandemic that I think if you can kind of provide a place where you're just going to talk speak your mind, I think that that's really appealing to especially young guys now, you know,
yeah, well because you I mean some of your comedy I mean, you're obviously more liberal but you kind of do make fun of the let you even say you're like I'm a liberal, but I hate it or something like you have a joke about that. Like you kind of you kind of touch on that a little bit.
Yeah, I mean, it's a It's exhausting to care about everybody's feelings, right? Especially when you're trying to be funny. Well, yeah,
that's the thing. It's gotta be hard to be a comedian. It seems like it's gotten a little less crazy, where it's like, there was a time where it felt like everything you said it was like, people were trying to cancel you. But now it seems like we Chappelle just saying, I don't give a fuck. And there's a lot of people like that. And then they realize, like, oh, he could say what he wants, and nobody's, he's still gonna be there. He's
not technically canceled. So I think a lot of people said, well, I can say what I want then. Right.
Yeah, I mean, I think I think that people, I think the one the biggest thing about it was that it was a lot of people making a big to do out of something that wasn't necessarily like their thing to be upset about, you know, it was kind of like this entire group of people kind of watchdogging everything. And, you know, obviously, there was like, some very valid things that came out of the me to movement, you know, like, there was like, predatory behavior, and all that kind of
stuff. But at the end of the day, it was like, a lot of people being like, well, this is upsetting, because this is offensive. And it was like, but it's not offending, like, why are you offended? You're not Asian American, or you're not special needs, you don't have a lot of like, people, like, you're getting offended on behalf of a group that you're not a part of, or you're speaking for a larger group that maybe you are a part of, but
they don't agree with you. And also, I think at the end of the day, people just wanted to laugh. I mean, it was like a really exhausting. I think Trump years were really exhausting. I think the pandemic was really exhausting. And people just, people just want to laugh. They're not really like, as precious as they were. They're kind of like, let's just go out have a good time. I know this guy's joking. Like, if I make a joke about a certain group, I don't mean that you should go
and genocide them. You know, like, it's like,
wow, what a novel. Yeah, because it's comedy. It's a joke. Like, I think that was something I read that some of the millennials were offended by Seinfeld, which is just mind boggling to me. I was like, what this shows like one of the most safest and really progressive at the time type of shows. So the fact that people will be offended by that is like, mind boggling to me. But
yeah, I mean, I think like, I'm, like, all for the representation thing. Like, I want to see different stories, I want to see different people. But at a certain point, there's also like, you have to, like, acknowledge the demographic that is, like, you know, ingesting
what you do. Right? Like, I think America is like 75, or 65%, like, white people, and a lot of them don't live in cities, and a lot of them don't read the New York Times, and a lot of them are men, and a lot of them maybe aren't conservative, but they have certain, you know, or maybe they
just don't give a shit. And that's like the thing it's like, I think, I think a lot of it's felt spoon fed to which it was like, you know, because like, all these shows, and, and industry people they live in, like, they live in like a New Yorker in LA. And then they're making these decisions based off of like, their friend group, and what they're seeing around them.
When it's like, I don't have the people that are going to watch the show or half the people that are going to listen to this thing or whatever, are going to be in Wichita, or Kansas or Charlotte or San Antonio, you know, it's like, and they don't give a shit about, you know, like, what's happening in Manhattan? You No,
no, absolutely. I feel like a lot of things, especially like major network TV shows, like on NBC and stuff like that, like you see, most of the good shows now are on these like obscure cable things. And not on NBC and Fox and ABC. Like, what what's the last sitcom that you watch? From like ABC or NBC? Like there? There really isn't that many most of them bomb?
No, I think that formats, like pretty dead. It just feels so authentic. And I mean, like, if you look at it, the biggest show in the country, the number one show in the country is Yellowstone, which is about a Montana rancher. And if you watch that, Oh, yeah. Do you like it? Yeah. I love Kevin Costner. And I you know, I think a lot of it's like, melodramatic and kind of, you know, over the top, but it's like, it's fun to watch cowboys like shoot at each other. And, you know, do all
that fucking cowboy shit. Yeah. And there's also some really funny things. There's like, there's a scene where it's like, in the first or second season where this like tour bust of Chinese tourists, like walk on to Kevin Costner's land, and they're like taking pictures. I think of a bear. It might be a bear or a moose, but they're just like standing on a field, kind of like looking at this animal. And Kevin Costner like storms out and he's like, you
can't be here. This is America, you know, and it's just like, so funny, because it's just like, when you think about it, like, it's kind of like that shit would never fly anymore in general, but they got away with it because it's like, that show just can't be stopped. And that's also the funny thing about it is like, no matter how work these networks get, I'm not like a huge fan of the term work. But like, no matter how, like much they try, they're
still like capitalists. And they're like, if a show goes, they're gonna, you know, they're gonna play it still.
Right? There was like, make money. That's why it was a sitcom, right? Like, do you really think that some of these businesses care about these quote unquote, marginalized groups or whatever? It's like, No, I feel like it's, they just want to make money off of it. Oh, look, we care about this. We care about this group this month. And this on that month, it's like, really, are you just trying to make money? Because that's what like, to me, I
think I saw like, a video the other day of like a Pride March. And it was like, like all the LGBT workers of Northrop Grumman, which is like, the company that makes like missiles. They make like fighter jets and missiles. Like, they're just like a war company. You know, they're not like,
there's a meme like that, that has a missile. And it has like, the pride flag on the missile or something like,
Yeah, I think that what I saw was they like, they made the meme real, like, really? Like, yes, it was the it was the company like supporting their LGBT, like employees, but it's like, this is an awful company, like, do you really want them to endorse? Like, what do you Where are we at now? Like, we like the, the, the chicken is APA, or whatever, you know?
Yeah, no, absolutely. That's, that's interesting. It's interesting. When you talk to people, I do a lot of these podcasts. And a lot of the people that I talk to are liberal, and they kind of feel the same way. You are like, some of the stuff has gotten too far. They're still liberal, obviously, they still hate Trump, all that stuff. But, you know, they're also kind of going okay, well, we still need to
make comedy. Like we still need to make people laugh and like, you know, not trying to offend people, but we might offend some people. I noticed for his comedy has gotten really like kind of edgy, almost, I'm like, Wow, I'm surprised for he would do that.
Yeah, I think for him is he's kind of always been a little bit that guy. I don't know if there's been a change or if just maybe, like, he's just putting out so much material now because he is so much more popular. And he has such a bigger following that he kind of has to feed the beast. But you know, themes always been like pretty practical, and not emotional about, like, comedy, the business material. I think he really kind of talks about what makes him laugh, like,
personally. I mean, like, he's a think of a close, I don't know if he practices but he's a Muslim, Afghan person. And Afghani and, you know, like, I think I think if he can make jokes about all those things, then it's like pretty, pretty safe. Like, you know what I mean? Like,
oh, god, yeah, you see a special or it's like, the four of them, and they're watching the news. And they're talking about this, like, murder, or it's like a shooting or blending
that sketch. Are you in that? I'm the roommate that comes out of that room. Yeah. That is
such a great one. They all share that. It's that it's a white guy. Yeah, that is like so brilliant. I mean, that's just for him. Like, he's just funny. Like, I don't and that's what I don't get. It's weird about him because you think Hollywood go like, Oh, like a Muslim comedian. We gotta like, we gotta like, had give this guy a TV show or something. And it's like, but he told me he's like, Well, there's not enough Muslim people in America
for it to make sense. And I'm like, but you're just funny. Like, who cares? What you know your nationality? I think that shit is like, you're fucking hilarious. Like, you should have your own show. It's weird.
Yeah, I mean, I think he's also like somebody like, who? I think if he would have arrived on their radar, like a couple years later and maybe been a little bit different than he'd be where Romney is right now. You know, because Romney got the whole show in the movies and the and the and that world, right, like the HBO specials, but I think
like Aziz Ansari and like,
I mean, these guys as these came out of that New York scene of like, the mid 2000s, he's like, a little bit different. But but, you know, like, I really feel like there's like a movement right now to like, really, like kind of cater to this brown kind of diaspora. That's like, you know, Indian, Arab, whatever, you know, that that kind of world. And for him
is is just so funny. I think it's actually like, luckily, it's like showing up in ticket sales because I think that he was getting to do like really cool theaters and he is the funniest. He's is one of the funniest people that I've ever seen live. And it's like, it's funny because I know him as a friend. And I can still say that, like, you know, usually like when you hang out with somebody enough, it kind of like dampens your ability to see them
on stage differently. But for him is one of those guys where it's like, just so undeniable. Yeah, and if you ask anybody, if you ask Bill Burr or Andrew Santino, or even Sebastian, like, you know, all these guys that have seen frigging, I mean, you know, Rogan, even like they all know, that seems like one of the funniest people in the world. So for sure,
and he keeps his crazy because he's gotten better. But even when he was 19, I remember we used to go see him at that comedy club in Bellevue. laughs It was in like a hotel. I didn't even know it existed. But I saw him at giggles once and I asked them, Hey, where's that for him? Guy like, oh, he performed at this place called laughs I was like, there's a comedy club in Bellevue. But I used to go see him. And it was almost like, every weekend and every time he would have new
material. I was like, how does he come up with new material. And now he's doing that if he follows YouTube, but he does this for him works on stuff bits that are like 10 or 15 minutes. And they're like, almost every week, and it's new stuff. And it's all really good. I mean, if this is the stuff he's working on, I mean, I can't wait for his next special. It's gonna be insane.
Yeah, he's, he's incredibly talented. And I wish I didn't like him so much. So I could like, the fuck off. He's always been really cool. And he's just, he's like, pure, like, he's not like a, he's just a dude that loves comedy. And he's super funny. And he's, he's not like, showbusiness II or any of that. He just, it's just about the jokes. And he's so prolific too. I mean, it takes me like, it takes me at least a year to come up with a new hour.
And he could probably come up with a new hour every month. Realistically,
seriously, is it? Is it competitive with other comedians, when you say like, you wish that you hate him, because I just saw the I don't know, if you watch the Andrew Dice Clay episode of Joe Rogan. And he was saying how back in his day, like, comedians were, like, really competitive with each other. And he said, it's not like that now, though.
I mean, it's definitely not like, publicly competitive, there's definitely people that have kind of disagreements, and you know, there's definitely like, stuff that you wouldn't see. I think there's certain people that get successful, and everybody is not happy for them. But I think generally, it's, it's kind of we're in such a boom right now that everybody kind of sees one person successes. Everybody's success. I'm sure that's
different for everybody. But you know, it was like, even talking about I was like, listening to like, people talk about map right. Yesterday,
I was just gonna ask you about Yeah, that's funny that you? Yeah.
And then like Matt rife, it's like, he's like he's selling more than any other comic combined. You know, like, you could put like, you could put a show, you could put like Bill Burr Sebastian and Tom Segura, Amy Schumer. And they aren't all of them combined are probably not selling as much. Like I think the only person that gets near him is like, probably like ship, Chappelle and maybe Sebastian. But it's just insane. And I think, you know, people want to hate on him, because he's, like, pretty,
and, you know, he's new. He's, you know, hasn't been doing it a ton of time. But at the same time, it's like, I think we've also matured to the point where the people that are going to go to see Matt rife at a stadium are probably not going to be also coming to see me. You know, and I think most people understand that there's some crossover, but I think, you know, there's 360 million people in this country. And there's enough there's enough tickets for each audience.
Yeah, well, that's what's so interesting to me like I don't I don't know I sound like a hipster fan here. But like I just there's a lot of the comedians I like such as yourself and and for him and you know, guys like Dan Wilber and stuff like that I just think are
like really smart. And I think maybe sometimes that doesn't translate over to like, you know, like the Jeff Foxworthy which I love Jeff Foxworthy and those kinds of but that's like more like, kind of some of its kind of more dumbed down that like anybody could watch or listen to. Whereas like you guys kind of, kind of it's more intelligent like thinking can eat comedy. I feel like
Yeah, I mean, I definitely wish I was dumber. Be so more. There'll be so much more convenient if I was like,
Do you ever just dumb down jokes though, at all? Or like,
I mean, I do jokes that I'm not proud of for sure. You know, like I was in Calgary in Calgary is like to Texas or Canada, and it's like, Yes, really? Yeah, I can't talk about I can't be as open and insightful as I want to. But also that's like not my job there. My job is to just make people who bought a ticket, have
fun. And you know, I want I want them to like, all of my shit, but it's just like, their fucking oil workers and farmers and people that are kind of like working the businesses around that and they're just from a different place. So they're not gonna really like necessarily understand everything about New York and fucking, you know, being a being a quasi gay. You know, like a, like a, you know, a feminine New Yorker who gets his eyebrows trimmed, you know, things like that.
To get your eyebrows trimmed
by my wife, I have to because it's like, just with age, they don't. They just grow like super long. I can't grow facial hair, like this is maybe shaved on Saturday. I don't know, I don't I just don't grow facial hair. But my eyebrows will grow to the point where like, they'll be like, so
then you have some story. I don't know if it was on a podcast or in your standup you talked about somebody shaved your eyebrows like way too much, but you're too scared to speak up against.
I was blacked out. I was oh, no, no, no, that was a joke. Yeah, I was I was at a, I was at a Russian barber shop. While that I was going to this Russian barber just because he was he was like on my block. So I was just like, fuck it. I'll just go to this guy. He's always open. I don't have to get an appointment. He's like, $40 or something like that. It was like, you know, easy. But I was like, Hey, can you trim my eyebrows? And he just like, just
cut them off? And I was like, What the fuck am I supposed to like, I'm not going to fight him. And you can't really like what are you supposed to do? I'm also policy so I was just like, I still tipped him even though I was like, so mad. If you watch my my special the character grammar see, you can see I have like, kind of no eyebrows because of that Russian. And yeah, definitely.
We're talking about it. Yeah, that was it was interesting. Yeah, I could see it was did seem like they were they were gone.
Yeah, he really You really didn't number on that. But when I was blacked out in college one time, I had been like a real problem at this party. I'd been like just bothering everybody and trying to kiss everybody girls, and just being a complete ass. And my friends that were there with me, like kind of like, took care of me. But they were so mad at me for being so annoying. They like they shaved one of my eyebrows off like completely. And I they didn't tell me. I just like, I just got up and
went about my day. It was super hungover. I think we went in smoked a bunch of pot because I was so hungover. And then I was just like, rubbing my face. And I was like, wait, what, there's no eyebrow there. And then. And then I was like, I cannot, like I kind of I could kind of smell the shaving cream. And I was like, Girl shaving cream. And I was like, I cannot believe I must have been such an asshole for these girls to want to do something like this to me. And my friends are like, cracking
up. They're laughing so hard. And I keep on trying to like get out of them. Like what happened. And they're just laughing and laughing and they're letting me think that these girls did it because I was being such an annoying guest at their party. And like, you know, maybe like four hours into that they were like we did it. And I was like, alright, good one. You know, you i you get that because I was like causing such a ruckus at the party I kind of deserved it
was that moment when you're like, oh, I need to quit booze or what was the
wish? I wish I I definitely knew I was an alcoholic at that point. But I didn't really know what to do about it. I'd gotten in a lot of trouble. It was like I'd been kind of a party guy in high school, but I just had fun. There wasn't really like a lot of consequences. And then like as soon as I graduated, I moved down to Lake Tahoe. I wanted to be professional skier, and I started getting in trouble down in Tahoe because I was just like, all of a sudden, I'm like,
not in my hometown. I'm in this small town. There's cops don't have as much to do. You know, they're looking for people causing trouble. Sounds like a city where you can just be drunk. And I got arrested a couple of times down there. And then I went up to college and I got arrested a couple of times. And I I stopped drinking. Like my senior year of college, didn't get sober. But I stopped drinking because I knew I was having a problem. And then I started dabbling again. And I
dabbled for like the next. I don't know 686 to eight years ago. I'm not sure exactly what the timeline was. And I had a couple of nights where I really went in and you know, did some stupid stuff but I always knew that I had a drinking problem. So I like really watched it I And then eventually, just like, one night, I'd been in a Comedy Festival, and I didn't do anything that bad, but I just woke up feeling really
embarrassed. And I was like, Alright, I gotta, I just gotta stop drinking, like, it's never gonna work. And so I stopped drinking for good then that was like, May 2010. And it was good. It was like, you know, a really positive change in my life. But then I started smoking pot, and pot, you know, you don't really like wake up after being stoned, and you've like, you know, tried to like hook up with your friend's girlfriend or you broke something or gotten a fight.
It's just like, you're just kind of goofy and you eat too much shit. And I did that for like four years, but it was, you know, you're never gonna have the same kind of like wake up calls that you have from from drinking too much.
But you ever you never got the like the paranoid stuff when you smoke.
Oh, yeah. Yeah, for sure.
I joke about that. Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, I was I was definitely paranoid all the time. You know, I thought whole groups of people hated me. I thought, you know, the fucking TV was watching me whatever it was, I did all that stone shit. But I just, I don't know, I lived in LA, it was positive legal. I was making a lot of money. It was fun. You know? Like, easy way to date. You know, you'd like meet a girl you'd ask her if she smoked pot you'd go smoke a joint was kind
of an icebreaker. And, but then it just like real stuff started happening kind of around that like carefree lifestyle. Like I got a divorce. I lost a big job. I don't know what else happened. But I was just like, oh, I don't really like. I don't really like what I'm doing. And so as a result of that, that's when I fully got sober.
So then how do you what do you do now? Because I talked to a lot of rock stars. It's like they a lot of them have the same story where they're like, they went to those party years, and then now they're so many rock stars or get sober. But what do you do now for just to kind of deal with stress, like you meditate? Or do you do anything like your exercise? Yeah, well, in the comedy,
I kind of do the gauntlet, you know, like, I have therapy. I have program 12 Step sobriety, I have my wife, who's also sober, who's also in therapy. And then I've been meditating on and off for years, but I'm just about to start like a TM horse, because I fully want to get into it, like, make it regular. But I kind of tried to do all this stuff. And I actually was like, I was on antidepressants for a long time.
And they were really helpful, but I'm trying to get off of those because, like, I feel like I've been on him for a decade. And it was kind of like they read their horse and now it's like, you know, you got to get to the bottom of why you're feeling all the things because I'm also expecting a baby in
September, so congratulations. That's exciting.
Yeah, I'm really excited so it's time to kind of get all of my affairs in order so that I can be a good dad and all that shit.
Is this your way? Is this your first one or second? First? Yeah,
I have never had a kid second marriage first.
Yeah, okay. Wow, that's really exciting. You know if it's a boy or girl or
it's a girl, so I'm gonna have to start being like less of a pig I'm gonna have to unfollow all of my Instagram but accounts although I don't really follow someone else. I follow I follow like women swimming in the Mediterranean. There's a lot of
Instagram like they know something like Oh yeah, I'm gonna like if you know the Explorer tab, there's like, all these like sexy girls. And I'm like, just because I'm gonna straight guy like, how do they know? They just figure it out? Like the algorithms I look
at like counts that I watched the video. Or I like open the little Explorer tab. If you look at my Explorer tab, it's like Arsenal FC. boobs and like DIY camping fixes it's like they know exactly what I want
camping. I didn't okay to know that you're into camping then.
I do. I'd like to car Cam. I'm not like a super outdoors guy. But I love to like drive out to like New Hampshire or upstate New York park the car set up a tent spend a couple days next to a lake love it.
That sounds amazing. Yeah, I want to get a travel trailer I've been looking at him online like I'm just I think it'd be cuz you give him like 15 grand or something. So
I feel it'd be I think you need to get those scams for like less you get those scams for like eight eight grand and you can like tow him with a pretty like small car like, yeah, I've definitely gone down that rabbit hole. There was a long time that I wanted to get like, converted a sprinter. But they're like, those things are like 100 grand and
yeah, the sprinters are more than the travel trailers. That's what's so I mean, it makes sense because that's the whole car too. But yeah, those Sprinter vans and they don't have like you don't have a bathroom or shower.
No, and it's also like, that's a downpayment on a house. I can't imagine, it's not that fun to like I, I rented those, those sprinters that are converted. And I would not want to live in those things even for like, three weeks. Like, they get real stinky, they get real, the air gets real stale in there real quick, and there's nowhere to put your shit. Like I went, I went on a ski tour where I did comedy in all the ski towns, and then I ski during the day. I would like drive. Yeah, it was
great. But like, that van sucked. There was like my dog, my skis, my ski equipment, my regular clothes. And then like, you know, if you wanted to turn like the kitchen area where you were doing all your laptop work and eating into your bed, you just take everything out. Yeah, and it's like, you know, 15 degrees outside. And you're just like, that's the last thing you want to do at 9pm. So, yeah, make enough money to just get hotels is my advice for that.
Yeah, so because that's what you're doing right now. Your two are your road comic.
Yeah, I'm doing a fair amount of it. It's gonna it's gonna wind down in September is kind of the end of that for a while because I got a I got to take care of this baby for a couple of months and figure out how to be a dad. So but for now, yeah, I'm gonna go to actually tomorrow night. I'm gonna do London, Amsterdam, Berlin, and come back to New York for a little bit. And then I do Victoria, Vancouver, Seattle. And then I have a couple more dates around the US
in the rest of the summer. But yeah,
yeah, well, cool. Hopefully you come to Phoenix. At some point. It's good to come here like either for spring training. Or if you come in like the winter, it's a good time to get away from the cold weather.
Yeah, I would love to come down there in the winter. i For the longest time I booked gigs in ski resorts during the winter are like places I can ski. And it's such like, I don't want to be cold anymore. Give me all those give me all of those, like kind of warm winters. And I don't care about skiing anymore.
Yeah, and I mean, technically, I think you could ski if you go to like Flagstaff? Yeah, I think that's probably that's like two hours. It's probably not great scheme. But it's scheme drive
to Tallis anyways, where's that? Towson? So taxes like north of Albert Albuquerque. It's not like a short drive. But I could put that, you know, tack that on
Colorado. Yeah. Do like a road trip or something? Well, that's exciting. Very cool. Um, yeah. I mean, do you have any you have any new specials? Coward of grandmas grammar? See, that's your last special that you had, right? Yeah, that's like
a bout a year and a half old. I'm going to record like a kind of experimental special in July, which is like, I'm, I'm doing it in Seattle. And it's basically, when you buy a ticket, you get an email, and you can email me what you want me to write a bit about or talk about. And then I have 24 hours, I can open that email account 24 hours before the show. And I have 24 hours to prepare that. And I'm going to record that. And that's going to be the 24 hour special, which is just
going to be experimental. And then probably around next winter, I'll record something more formal.
What's the where are you going to record the experimental one? Which Which club?
I'm actually doing it the hereafter, which is the small room. It's like 100 seater at the new crocodile in Belltown.
Oh, the crocodile? Yeah, I remember that one. Yeah. Yeah. You said it's changed so much in Seattle, like a lot of the clubs are gone or changed or moved. And there's new stuff and so
yeah, it's weird. I mean, the company underground finally, you know, it was like held together by like tape and toothpicks for like years in belt or in Pioneer Square, but there was nothing else down there. And that was literally the only reason I ever went to Pioneer Square. And then the club laughs merged with giggles so they're up in there up in the
U district. And then there's a club there's two clubs on Capitol Hill, which are kind of more casual showcase II kind of clubs, they're not like and they're definitely like more leaning towards local acts and a little bit more. I wouldn't say woke because that kind of sounds like this blanket statement but you know, it's it's definitely alt It's definitely like more
inclusive. But Seattle's so different in general, I mean, it's like you know, it's one of those places that's really been transformed by the tech industry.
Ya know, it's weird like you go to see ox games and that the the crowd has changed because I'm gonna when I first start going to see ox games it was like very like just blue collar regular guys and now you see these it's kind of like the wine and cheese crowd is like all these tech guys are good that probably weren't even really fans of the Seahawks. Were like I can afford these tickets. I go buy it.
Yeah, that's I that's what I said. I like because I kind of grew up I grew up in Queen Anne, which is like kind of, you know, pretty nice neighborhood and my mom was a nurse my Dad was like a corporate kind of guy. But I didn't hear about the Seahawks. Like I heard about Steve Largent and Brian Bosworth. When I was a kid, you know, like those were
like, two things I remember. And then I swear to God, I didn't think about the Seahawks again, until 2006 playoff runs with Sean Alexander and Matt Hasselbeck and it was like, then I was kind of like, oh, yeah, the Seahawks like they're pretty good. Like, maybe I'll support the Seahawks. I've never really like I'd always been a soccer fan. So I'd always watch soccer. And, and then it was just like, all of a sudden, everybody in Seattle love the Seahawks. And I was like, none of us cared about
this. This used the Seahawks used to be like, exclusively Boeing employees like that was like the only people those games was like Boeing blue were blue collar, you know, Tacoma Burien outskirts. I didn't know anybody that and now it's like, you know, Amazon employees are buying boxes and things like that.
So are you a sounders fan?
I'm not really I don't really like American soccer. I'm kind of a I'm kind of a I think I'd be called a hater amongst American soccer fans, but I've just been so spoiled by always been into European soccer and the quality is so good, that it's been hard to get interested in American soccer. It'd be like being a you know, a baseball fan. And then like, somebody's like, Well, why don't you watch more minor league baseball and your because it's not as good right, like,
but I want to support them. I you know, I, I think that they definitely are on the right track. The one thing that's really like, kind of absurd to me is in all other leagues of football, if you lose your league, you get demoted to another league. There's promotion and relegation. And America doesn't have that because none of the people that invest in MLS teams would risk being demoted to a lower league.
And so it's it's kind of this weird it's like a little bit bowling with the bumpers up were like, you know, because it like inter Miami or whatever that club is that just bought Messi, their last place, they're the very last place and you know, they should be in the USL or whatever. But because our relegation system works like this. They can like buy Messi. And then now they'll probably like be pretty, pretty good. You know?
Oh, yeah. What is the thing somebody was telling me? I don't follow soccer. But this guy was telling me that the Saudis bought this team, like they bought one of the European teams, I think, and they just like, made it like totally stacked. So is it kind of like,
well, every big European team is owned by some evil conglomerate of business or country. It's like, there's, there's like almost zero innocence left in the ownership of football, which is it's unfortunate, but you know, it is what it is. But the Saudis bought Newcastle and then you know, there's like some other ones that Manchester City is owned, I think by Qatar Airways or Bahrainis, like the royal
family kind of thing. And then the PSG is owned by another like all those teams are owned kind of by like big conglomerations. And yeah, the Saudis what they did recently is they've just been pumping millions of dollars into their home League. So Cristiano Ronaldo is playing in, in a Saudi team now. And I mean, I think they gave him a billion dollars. So it's like he can't blame him. And then, like, cream Benzema, who won the Blondie or this year, he's playing in Saudi
Arabia. Nicolas Mende, I think, a poor Benjamin Mendy one of the many brothers just signed for another team, but they just have so much money. I mean, like money so ridiculous in Saudi terms, that they're really just trying to. They're trying to do what we did with Messi, which is like, buy the best player to draw the attention. But they're trying to do it across the league. They're basically playing FIFA in real life where they're just like, money is not
a factor. And they're just like putting together teams because they can you know, they can just offer but it's not. It's not going to really, it's going to be entertaining for them. But I don't think you're ever going to see like a big population of international viewers watching the Saudi League.
Yeah, I saw I can't remember it might have been you or was somebody stand up was talking about that. How, what if the Saudis bought like NASCAR, pitstop all the NASCAR fans I was like, that was kind of a funny bit just about it wasn't
me but I could see them doing it. I mean, it's I'm really surprised that like they haven't tried to assassinate a lon Musk because if their oil you know if there was away I don't know what the hell they're gonna sell because there's not a lot of stuff coming out of the sand.
Yeah, well, oil will still even without the cars I feel like it's still valuable because it's used to heat houses. And then all the other things.
Yeah, they'll figure out something. Yeah, I'm sure they have they, they killed a guy in Turkey and chopped them up and got away with it completely, you know? Oh, is that that reporter
guy or whatever?
Yeah, yeah,
that was creepy. Yeah, that's scary stuff.
Yeah, they don't fuck around. That's not a that's not like a accountable government. I don't think there's any like, special Commission's on human rights happening in the Saudi government. Right but they're also doing crazy shit like one of the Saudi royal family is building like an entire city in the desert that's going to be like basically like a utopian green space, it's going to be like an entire city, I think
it's called New or Neo. And it's like literally like, it's like an entire metropolitan that they're building from scratch. And they're just going to like, it's going to have like, you know, like enclosed biosphere kind of places. And like, you know, you can get in on the ground level, you know, you can go pay $2 million and become a citizen at noon. And I think
I've heard is this like these 15 minute cities? Have you heard of those?
I think it's a no but that. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah,
they'll be in a dome. And I don't know. So that seems cool. But maybe also scary. So I don't know.
It's like, it seems like they're like just ignoring the fact that climate change is happening. They're like, instead of lowering our carbon, let's just, let's just build cities, you know, underground. And protect. Yeah, protect it that way, I guess. I don't know. It's interesting. I mean, it definitely makes you able to sell oil still. So
yeah, I don't know if that like you said like, they'll think of something that weight of solid, for sure. Forever. I'm sure that that'll be popular. Unless they really have.
I was gonna say do you have a favorite? When I come to Phoenix? What's the best tacos slash Mexican food I should go to?
Oh, that's funny. Like, have you ever seen Dan Wilbers he did like a tweet. It was so funny about like, how he went on the website for this Mexican food place. And it said like euros broken. And then he goes in and it's like, it's served in like a paper bag. And he's like, Oh, this is gonna be the best food ever. And yeah, there's a place there. It's called. It's right down the street from my house. The best al Pastore tacos. It's called Super burrito. It's kind of
true. I think it used to be probably used to be like a Wendy's or something. But oh my god, we probably go there like once a week. It's so good. But there's a bunch of them. Yeah.
It's funny because I'm like, I'm pretty healthy. Like I like you know, always like, asked, aren't you vegan. I'm not vegan. But I'm like, opt for the dairy free alternative eat fish. But like, I don't want your like, I don't want the Mexican food to be healthy. I want it to be like, I want the beans to have lard and I want them to have chopped up my vegetables on the same cutting board as the raw pork. You know, like I just, I just want a heart
attack in a bowl basically. I'm I'm that's kind of my, my one thing that I'll go out of my way forward to like, I remember one time I was I was driving to Denver from LA for some reason I had decided Uh oh, I'll just rent a car and I'll drive or like, you know, do like a one way rental. And but I like purposely went like six hours out of my way so that I could go through Santa Fe and have this like Christmas style enchilada. Do you know what Christmas style
is? No. It's like where they put the red and Okay, yeah, makes sense. Yeah. And it was worth it. I mean, I was like, I was basically running on fumes and kind of delirious, but in my memory. I can remember being like this was worth it.
Yeah, there's a place to here called the I think it's called the Carlsbad cavern or tavern. And it's, it's supposed to be like New Mexican food. And I think they have a lot of that same stuff really spicy. So that's, there's so many good restaurants here. I can hook you up.
I'm online, I'll come down and I'll watch a watch a son's game. And I was actually like a huge suns fan. And yet he doesn't have an I kind of just worked my like, I was a sonic fan. And then it was a trailblazer stand. And then I was a Sacramento Kings fan. And then my baseball fan or my basketball fan. I'm kind of ended with the suns circa 2000. I want to say six seven like Steve Nash. Merrick Shawn Marion Barbosa DL, trying to think who
else was on that? Stottlemeyer it was like Mrs. Doubtfire? Yeah. It was like, my favorite basketball team.
Oh, yeah, I became kind of a suns fan. I became an NBA fan. And I became even more of a baseball baseball fan too. And a little bit of a hockey fan. Just because we have those betting apps here. I know if you have those in New York. Yes,
we do. Yeah, that's a new addition.
This is you want a new addiction to instead of like, you know, you're not drinking anymore. You're not doing weed. Start doing the betting apps. Oh my god. It's so fucking fun. But no A bet like usually 10 or $20. But it makes the game a lot more interesting when you bet on stuff. And you can bet like long bets like you bet the exact score and you can win like 1000s of dollars. It's fun for a lot of fun. So
I'm terrified to get into betting I, I've been able to dodge the gambling addiction, I could get addicted to like, anything. I mean, like if, if sometimes when I stand up, I get a head rush and I sit back down so I can do it again. Like, I'm just I'm an addictive personality. But I do gamble occasionally. Like, every time I go to like a casino, I play blackjack. So I would love I would love to get into something like that.
Yeah, I think to me, it's like, my had a friend the same way. He felt the same way. He's like, Oh, I don't want to do those sports apps. I'll get addicted. I was like, No, I don't think you I don't think I don't know if sports. It's like because you can bet $10. And then that last three hours on like blackjack, you'd lose $10 In five seconds. The one hand? Yeah. And then you got it.
I definitely wouldn't be fun to watch the games with with a little bit more on on the line. I think that could add a little bit. And if there was a way that I could just keep it to like 10 $20. I'm fine with that.
Yeah, well, that's what's what's cool. But the app says they'll give you these bonuses. But the bonuses usually have a 10 or $20 limit. So then that always keeps me in line. I'm like, Okay, well, I want to get the bonus. So I'll bet this but it's only 10 bucks. So like that's not bad. So yeah, it makes you more interested in the games for sure.
Just as long as I don't spend my daughter's baby food money, or?
Yeah, yeah, that'd be bad. Well, cool. So thanks. Thanks so much for doing this. I always in promoting a charity. Is there a charity that you is near and dear to your heart or something you want to promote here at the end? Um,
yeah, I mean, I there's a lot of charities, but the American Indian College, I think it's the College Foundation, whatever that is the American Indian college fund. I would have to Google the exact wording of it. But that would be that's one that I always donate to. So
is that like, for Native Americans? You mean or? Yeah, yeah. Okay. Because don't they already get free college just from the government? Or? Yeah, but
I think this kind of like, lines them up, it sets them up with a little bit more, I think the foundation does a little bit more of like getting people from like, going in and going, do you want to go to college? Here's how you go to college. Don't worry, it's free. Let me help you with your application. Let me help you get prepared for the SATs. Let me help you get prepared for financial aid and things like that. So okay,
yeah, cuz we just, I used to work in the schools. And we'd have a, we had a Native American, like, coordinator, I forget the exact term. But yeah, that's what she did. And I met with some of these families. And it's like, it's just heartbreaking. And then I mean, I've driven around the state, and there's a lot of reservations here. And you see, like, there's some that reservations, I'm in Scottsdale, it's like literally, like across just a couple of few miles from here. And you see, like, how
they live. And it's like, it's just so heartbreaking, because they just don't, it's like, they don't have this, they're like, the depressed as a as a whole, like, the community is just like, like everybody, they just, there's not this like ambition that, hey, let's go out and live life and follow our dreams. It's kind of just like, whatever. Yeah, I think
that that's like, you know, I think there's a lot of systemic poverty. And I think that there's a lot of, you know, it's just the culture was kind of decimated. And with that comes this, like, you know, kind of, you lose your compass. But I think there's a lot of positive things happening. It's just like, the reservations are the most neglected part of the
United States. And you'll also see, like, you'll see abject poverty, which you would think that, you know, there was reports a couple of years ago on the Navajo reservation in Arizona, of people starving to death. And so it's like, it's just something that I think we kind of like brushed under the rug, and sent it, it's, it's also like a hard thing, because there's definitely like a lot of people that like, this is like, such a lame way for a comedian
to get off. I'm just I should just be like making a gay joke or like a fart joke. But this is like probably why I'm not more successful, because I keep on talking about sad things. That's, yeah, yeah, just the exam. And they're doing great. You know, they're gonna they're gonna, they're taking care of themselves, they'll be fine.
Yeah. And it's just interesting, because it's like, yeah, there's all these movements. And I'm like, I'm surprised that no one has been like, Native American lives matter. Because, I mean, they are they're so neglected. It's like, I don't know, I don't know what the solution is. I mean, I have some ideas, but I feel like somebody needs to.
It's also like, it's like, it's that hard thing where it's like, people need to have their own kind of like, authority, like over themselves. And so you run into that thing, where it's like, you're like, oh, man, this is horrible. But it's like, it's not my place to fix it. So my wife just walked out the door. Okay, let me
All right, get those child support payments ready, though?
Yeah, I'll try to work out my divorce papers right now. Thanks so much for having me on. And I really appreciate you navigating my annoying schedule.
Yeah, no, that's awesome. I'm happy that you have all these opportunities. So very cool. All right. Well, thanks, Chuck. Thanks. I'll tell I'll see you later. Let me know when you're in Scottsdale again.
And will you post all this? Like, you'll post like, tweets or
tag you and everything? Yeah, probably like next. Probably like Monday, maybe? Yeah. Okay, cool. Awesome. Thanks, man. All right. Andy Haines very funny guy. Check out his website and follow him on social media for more info. His current special the coward of grunt grand mercy is out now and it's free on YouTube. And of course, as always liking sharing and commenting on social media and YouTube for the guest and for this episode can help us both
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