Yeah, but some people are already doing Christmas stuff. I think that's already making the rounds. Like they're selling Christmas stuff at Costco now I think.
Yeah, because let's be honest, I think Christmas time is the only time that we all agree that it's okay to feel good. And so people want to get to that feeling faster and faster. So Christmas is just all you know, it just in terms of like driving sales, like Christmas makes people think it's okay to spend, you know, so it's like, I think they're trying to get that out. ASAP. So as soon as the first first time it touches like below 60 Christmas stuff.
Yeah, they want to make that money, the store stores are gonna be hurt. And just especially because of Amazon. I feel like everyone buys everything online. Not that many people go to brick and mortar stores anymore.
The game has changed in such a way because it's not only that people don't go to brick and mortar stores. But I think you know, I'm 46. So I've got like one foot in the Analog Age and one foot in the digital age. And it wasn't just that you went to the store like sometimes Chuck, that's how you met your wife is you rent you know, it was freezing cold and you ducked into a store, you never go in and she was working. And you're
like, Who is that? And that's how your family started, like, random stuff happens this way. Like I got into it on a talk show the other day not got into it. But you know, I was saying I have a strong opinion on a lot of things. And I was saying, I think it's super embarrassing for you to use your GPS in your home city, you should turn that off
on a week or worse, so that I put my GP on GPS on every day, even when I want to go to the gym, which is like I could almost walk there and because I like to know exactly like how much longer I have. And I don't know,
but but but my question is, but do we? Because we know when everything is going to happen and we you know exactly when your Uber is going to arrive 915 You know exactly when you're fresh director be here tomorrow. 1024 Everybody knows everything but yet we're still miserable, Chuck, because you're right. We know entropy. You need disorder, and you need oh my god, I was, you know, I took the long way to work I ran into this guy I've used to play basketball with in high school.
I haven't seen him for 30 years. He's a doctor now. Like stuff happened. He's invited us to this fundraiser so I'm gonna get your dress girl we're gonna go to this thing. Like stuff happens when you can't predict everything, you know?
Yeah, no, I just want to go like off the grid for I think that's just a too much noise with social media and like, your emails and the phone and then just news of this and that it's just too much sometimes I just want to, I don't want to know anything.
It's It's not natural to know what everybody is thinking all the time. And especially in the random order in which social media gives it to you where you're like, you know, oh my gosh, two teenagers killed in a truck accident. Browns replacing their starting QB. Look at that girls pass. Anyway, my Oh, high school teacher is a pedophile. Like you're just getting too many, too much information. You should know this much about politics or about, you know, a tee, the Pittsburgh Steelers salary cap
issues. This is not your business, Chuck. You know, I'm
saying you it's like, I think this is the biggest problem for me with social media. Why do you remember when you're back in the day, when you had a newspaper and you had sections of a newspaper, you had the front page, and then you have the Arts Entertainment, the sports section, you're right now it's all mixed in. And so if I just want to, Hey, I just want to know, sports stuff. I don't I don't want to look at politics right now. But it doesn't, they
don't care. They're like, we're just gonna give you what's the most gonna get you the most clicks and people get mad and fired up and
a fake mash it and that's the thing, a lot of it is like, you know, fake mad or fake happy and it's, it's very few, like real, tangible, real moments that you see. On television. Sometimes you'll catch it. You know, like, every once in awhile, like they'll they'll be like, you know, a cast member that signing off, have a show they've been on and you can see that, you know, they'll kind of come out and do a bow and they'll like be that moment of just like real
humanity. And those are the moments the reason that if you ever look at like News Bloopers those have like crazy views they have like the look at this channels like how does this have 45 million views? It's because people like to see the news people come out of that shell for a second to just be like, I don't know how to read that fucking last name. Oh, am I on? Like people like that? Because they do that and they're like, Hey, I fuck up to okay, I've been looking at you for years
and you seem so straight up. I like to, to know that. You know, you you'd thought the mic was off is and your sportscaster said, Hey, our home team sucks, because they do suck. And maybe that's like something that needs to be said like that little bit of honesty, I think has been replaced, because the people that have been super honest on social media, eventually you're gonna pay for it, because you're gonna say something that people don't like.
Yeah, well, that's interesting, because I feel like in some ways, it's the opposite, though, because I kind of missed the days where like news, and especially politics was boring. Nobody gave a shit about politics. The news was just, they just reported the news. It was an old guy with a mustache and a suit. And that was it. And then you got the news was 30 minutes a day, and then then you move on with your life. Now, it's just, it's not just here's
the news. It's, here's what we think of the news and what you should think of it and you should be mad, and you should be scared of this thing.
Right. And it's just like, they should say, they should come on the news and say, you should not be thinking about politics. Now to sports. I'm not saying that you should be politically uninvolved. I think it's a bad idea to be completely politically unaware. But there was a point in time, probably the happiest times in all of our lives, where we didn't know who the Assistant Attorney General was. I don't want to know these
people. And the fact that now, if Taylor Swift makes a post, the former vice president has a take on it, like what I don't like I don't ever want to think about politics. And I know that I have to, it's like the dentist. But I don't want to have to go to the dentist 16 times a day, that was kind of the outcome here, three times a year for the big stuff, make sure nothing terrible is happening. Or eventually I have to get my lower bottom hat to
have teeth replaced. But in the meantime, can you guys do what you're paid to do by the taxpayers and just do your shit and stop being weird. But I think that, that that's a that's a that that's a land and that's a ship that's that's sailed and that land is far away. Now. It's like politics are immersed in our culture now. And now put, politicians are more entertainers than anything? What did he say about him?
Yeah, you got to be who are the most famous politicians right now. I mean, some of these people are just representatives in the House or not even senators. And they're, they have half a million followers on Twitter or millions of followers. Because they say crazy shit.
Yeah. And crazy shit resonates saying saying like, Hey, guys. I managed to finagle the city budget and I was able to get us to more salt trucks this winter. And everybody's like, can you do us a favor and go fuck yourself. If you say, hey, my opponent is a fat, ugly whore. And you all know it. And so too, if you're going to trend both ways, there's going to be some psychopaths that are like, Finally somebody is talking like
I talk. And then there's going to be a lot of people saying, calling a woman that then do talking like that enough is wrong, that in this case, they would be right. But it doesn't matter. Because they're both the same thing. They're both internet traffic. And at the end of the day, that's what we'd never realizes, no matter what you say. It's all about the traffic. It used to be all about the Benjamins in the 90s now it's just like traffic, you say? The craziest thing you could
think of? I mean, what would Marjorie Marjorie Taylor Greene or like Lauren beaupre. You think about like what politicians used to retire, used to like have to like step down and resign over? Like, yeah, a lewd text with the Secretary that wasn't their wife. Or, you know, I remember how we're doing that, that Kenny, I think is like oh four he made that he's like yeah, or something in a in a speech, they replayed it over and over again. And he was like a legit candidate and his career
was over. They mocked him so much that it tanked him in the polls were making Oh, he was like excited. He's like we're gonna take Detroit and we're gonna take Dallas
that was when I barely watched politics
and that was when we all the good old days as well.
And I remember seeing that and going I like this guy like yeah, I don't know anything about his what he believes in but I was like, I like his energy. Yeah, nice and someone's getting excited about but you know, now I kind of want it to go back to being boring again. I don't want any more exciting than I've had enough.
Or maybe you can just choose the things that you find exciting like you know right now and I don't know when this is going to air the whole Travis Kelce and Taylor Swift switch is going on and God bless those two young kids but I don't give a fuck. I don't care. And I wish them well. But you know it just can't be two celebrities are dating Hey, you know the JLo when Ben Affleck oh cool that date Yeah, they're good looking
couple anyway. You know, that's how it used to be but now it's like because Taylor demand so much traffic and so much attention. Social media. Why? as it pulls almost like a gravity like a larger object on a smaller object, it pulls the world's attention towards her whether you're looking for it or not. So, Heinz, you know, Heinz now has a ketchup named after them. And there's luggage named after him. And there's T shirts that have tasteless and trailer and whatever their nicknames are
and their podcasts about it. And is this real in the Chiefs at the mention it? And now there's a you know, the halftime Max is her opening. It's, there's a lot of people that don't care, but we're like, forced to care. And I think that causes resentment.
Right. But I see, I think there's more people that care than don't because I actually have some buddies that were on a website that's like Kansas, city based sports media and stuff. And they said when they started out, they were doing like, in depth analysis of the games and stuff like that. And they found out that nobody cared about that. All they wanted was like pictures of Jackson mahomes And Patrick mahomes, baby. And so now they're loving this Taylor so I
mean, they're not there. They don't care about the Taylor Swift stuff, but they are posting about it because that's what gets all the clicks and that's how they make their money. So right
and also let's, let's finally call out something that I've been thinking for years, and that's that men need to admit that they are as emotional if not more than what they accuse women to be or are because like was like, Oh, my wife with a romance and watching Hallmark Channel. I watch football. What is sports? If you look at ESPN, there's no show where they're like, you know, Chuck Sheltie had 10 points and
nine rebounds. Like those shows don't rate you know, what shows rate of emotional shows was Tom Brady. Getting back at Bill Bella check was that a revenge game? Revenge is emotion. You know, guys crying when they win the championship, guys fighting the other team fans. Their team misses a 20 point of field goal to win the game should be gamey, they miss their reaction videos of grown men with children in the room, throwing the remote in breaking the television. That's
emotion. And men are just as emotional about their sports and about the people tied to them as women are that are obviously not sports fans that women are about the housewives and following all of their drama. That it's it's drama. It's what people have been gravitating towards since the Roman Colosseum. And this is just a different version of it. So the idea that men are this analytical Blanchett We just
want our sports. You know what, like, real sports nerds like myself would used to watch that's no longer on the air because No, do you remember? There was a show it used to come on basic cable is called. It was sponsored by zenith and it was like Monday evening quarterback or something with Ron Jaworski, and yeah, and he would just sit there and break down plays. Yeah, just be like, Yeah, right here. Andre risin brings of free safety up to bite on the fake and then it was just arrows on
the screen. It was for anybody that wasn't a football dork. It was unwatchable. And what they found is putting, you know, Skip Bayless and, you know, used to be Shannon Sharpe against each other to yell at each other for
an hour. Got literally 25 times the ratings in morning television, as some of those shows are doing like a point eight, which is 800,000 Viewers, which back in the day, you know, two years ago, they were putting on more than two now, but like shows like cold pizza and those kind of, you know, ESPN morning shows that we're doing like, you know, 150,000 viewers, and I was good. So the idea that men don't want drama, the idea that men don't care about love that you
don't love your team. You don't hate the other team, you you know, you love your homeboys. It's ridiculous. And I think the bigger and bigger even though this Kelsey Taylor story gets, it just shows that those aren't all women clicking on those links. All right, fellas, let's be honest on that.
Yeah, well, it's hard to put all men and all women in those two categories but because there's men that are that are very cold and don't care about sports and don't have any emotion and there are definitely women like that too. But yeah, there's I'm definitely fall in the category of I get way overly emotional with my sports. I scream and yell and jumping up and down. I get mad I get sad if my team loses. It's just like so stupid if you think about it, but
I mean, I don't I don't know up your sports aren't just like, everybody's like, Oh, it's just laundry and different grown men and tight pants. Like that's super disrespectful to sports fans, especially diehard ones, because a lot of times sports for anybody when you're growing up as an adolescence, a lot of times sports is the first topic that you can I can only
speak for myself. The first half you could feel comfortable talking to people that are significantly older than you about like that's the way To connect to your dad who might be kind of distant or your uncle or your your your art that loves the St. Louis Cardinals and your complete strangers. Absolutely. When else would you high five another grown man at an event is or hug them? Yeah. You know, it's one of my buddies named Joe de Rosa is a hilarious comic. I've known him since I did my
first stand up comedy gig. He was the vet and Better Call Saul. But oh, yeah. So that's one of my maybe my oldest friend in stand up. And Joe told me he was at that hip hop 50th anniversary show at what's that famous Theater in New York. How embarrassing. The Apollo? No, the bigger one than that. Oh, the biggest theater you can do in New York like the Carnegie.
Carnegie Carnegie. Yeah, Carnegie Hall, the 50th anniversary and you just run out all the acts that were coming out in the crowd was going crazy. And I guess there was a rap group named third base. There were two white rappers. I remember that. Yeah, there was a weasel. Yes, absolutely. And they came out, you know, Pete nice came out. And you know,
Joe's a white dude. He said, The big black dude, just turn to him said, See, man, hip hop is bigger than race is about love and just said the stranger just hugged him with two arms, like at first because everybody was having such a good time reminiscing about our childhood and stuff. So there is that that connection with music, or sports or fashion? That that is deeper than just saying, Oh, you just put clothes on? Well, it's like it's, it's your connection to
the world. Otherwise, we're just people that are gathering goods and feeding our families.
Now that's that's a really good point. He's talking about music. Like I'm in a rock and I went to this convention down in this was a Nashville. And there is this, this band and there was a, there was a man. And he was in this band. He transitioned. And now he's a woman. It's she. And so there's a transgender woman on stage at this concert. And I'm like, I'm nervous. Because I'm like, Oh, God, this is Nashville. Like,
what if? Because I don't like when people are, you know, I don't care what your opinion is. But I don't like when people are mean to people. I really. And I was like, I don't want people to boo her or like, throw us or make comments. And nobody cared. Because everyone's just having a good time listening to the music and having and enjoying the music. And they don't care if it's a transgender woman or, you know, they're gay or whatever, who cares. We're just listening
to music. And she was good. She played guitar. She knew what she was doing so, right. Yeah, I agree. Yeah, it's
in that that is what gets me through every day is telling myself and hoping beyond hope that my theory is true is that the people that are online, mostly stay there, that people that are online ranting about transgender folks or, you know, this bashing or that bashing, they stay there, because that's their community, but their community is not the people that really love things, the other people that really hate things and know how to say things in a
way to generate traffic. But those are the people that are also not, you know, connecting with people over music and where they were at their first concert, and I took some LSD and I couldn't find my shoes, and I went to that concert. You know, those people are indoor cats. We are outdoor cats. We like to
interact with other people. And I think the people that were probably surrounding you at that concert, are very like minded, and the people that are surrounding people in hate chat groups and going after people. They're like minded as well. They could just stay over there. And I think we have a good deal.
Yeah, those people are so interesting, because like, I mean, I don't I'm not like huge at all as a podcaster. But I'm starting to get enough comments on YouTube and stuff. And social media that like you start to get trolled a little and I had this video, it was so stupid, because all I did was put my phone outside the window. We had a rainstorm here and I was like, oh my god, this is like a hurricane. And the thing
went kind of viral for me. It's I have like a half a million views on tick tock, and I had over like 1500 comments, and I can't believe how many people took the time to like troll me in and rip on like, oh, what's the I remember my first day in Arizona where you've never seen a rainstorm before like you've never seen the monsoon bubble. I'm just like, wow, like just so much hate and like why would you take the time to make the comment just to make yourself feel cool. I don't know. We
I think those people would ask you why would you take the time to go to a rock concert when you could stay at home online and attack a 13 year old girl that tap dancing with you know leg braces on? Why not go after people that you know you. You can just attack they can't do anything physically. And you can hopefully build your credibility because trolls have
a community as well. And I think that that's the the what we've seen be on Earth by the Internet is key You can find out really cool shows in your neighborhood, you can find out the best coffee shop and Mexican restaurant no one's talking about in your area. But also it allowed Flat Earthers to find each other. And it allowed January 6 writers to find it find each other. And they're all communities no different than, you know, the former alumni for Howard
University, or furries. They're all a community and people want to find people that are like minded. So it makes sense. But I think when you're outside of that community, it doesn't make any sense to you why somebody would do that. But inside the community, somebody's probably like, Well, why didn't you also comment on his the fact that he needed, you know, his car is six years old, or, you know, you could see her daughter in the back? Why didn't you say something mean about her in
their community? They're getting probably critiqued as well for their trolling.
Yeah, well, it's ensure that a lot of those trolls, it's whenever it's on YouTube, I Oh, not always. But a lot of times, I'll like, Oh, who is this person, because I've never seen him before. And they're calm, they took the time to comment on my videos, or click on their profile, and they have usually zero or one subscriber. And it's a picture that's not them. It's like a celebrity or a cat or something.
Right. So they have nothing they have no leg to stand on, but they're willing to critique your content when they have none of their own. It's very strange.
I mean, well, the end of the troll, bridge it, it will begin as soon as you had to put your name on it. If they assigned you a social media, like they did their driver's license, I mean, death threats would go away immediately. Everything you know, it's we're talking about sports earlier, every time. Like a 19 year old kid misses a game when it feel going some college game that doesn't matter and won't matter in a year. I just always think how many death threats is this
kid gonna get tonight? From guys his grandfather's age, you know that he'll be doxed online, his girlfriend will be attacked, his parents will be told that their son is a piece of shit. And it's, it's something that is weird. It's, I'm shocked that we haven't addressed it more. I had a friend of mine who's an entertainer and a popular one properly considered a c plus b minus list celebrity. And he they said that one time somebody that was not a fan of theirs, US DM them a picture of their mom's
house. And it was clearly a picture that they took standing in front of it. And it most death threats and threats online aren't credible. But some are. I don't want to be in the business of figuring out who's for real, because by the time you realize who's real, it may be too late. So that's one thing.
That's some scary shit.
You gotta you gotta make people put their name on it. There can't be in in Yeah, you gotta have something. I mean, you can't get your driver's license anonymously. You can't fire registered for a firearm or register to vote anonymously. There are some things that that there needs to be some credibility on. And if you really feel like this person needs to die. Okay, it's your right to feel that way. It's
your right to type it. But it's our right to also know who is identifying themselves as plausible threaten our community and to act accordingly.
I agree. 100% Yeah, that's interesting. You bring up the thing about the college actually had a college kicker on on my show, and just the nicest guy. Yeah, I feel it is weird. When you think like, you sit there and talk to him. You're like, this is a real person, like, should not send death threats, especially college kids. I mean, some of them are 19.
Yeah. And do you think like, he's not like, he's loving the fact that he missed that kick? Like, what do you think he's like, Thank God, I was so worried that everybody on this campus is gonna put me on their shoulders and parade me around town. I got out of that by missing an easy field goal that I think about every 72 hours for the rest of my life.
So thanks, guys. I needed a little death threat on top of that, like most people that are successful, in driven and successful and whatever you were you deem successful. Your mistakes haunts you way worse than anything somebody else may say. Or maybe even noticed. I'm sure the best musicians notice when they miss a note. And there's not a fan in the audience that realizes that but they'll they'll beat themselves up like I was, you know, I should I should to my guitar
that was really lazy. And yeah, that song really suffered in the fans like, What are you talking about? But it's bigger than that. You're accountable to yourself. It's not somebody Yeah,
that's exactly right. Cuz I'm my own worst critic. So anything that trolls say to me, I'm kind of like most of the time I'm just going, okay, like what like and I, I've learned that you don't engage with them because that's what they want. They do and they just keep going. They'll never end it. They'll just keep responding to you until you stop responding.
Right? And it's hard because As you know, honestly, for me, you know, I'm on a daytime talk show, especially when Trump was President Oh my god, like you can anything you would say it was just it's over. And I don't care. I'm not on social media probably as much as I should be. But, you know, the takes people have like, you just check your email and most of it is like, hey, I really appreciate your work. Keep it up, you know, and then somebody was just like, you call them
President Trump. You call them Mr. Trump. It's president to you asshole. You know, like, ma'am, it is 130 on a Tuesday afternoon,
the fact that someone will take the time mail, email you that or message you it's just so bizarre to me.
Yeah, it would be. I have read messages from people that disagree with my take and what they've said with me, what they've said to me resonated with me so much. And I'm so appreciative because they gave me a new way to look at it. Like, if you and I disagreed about a subject in my heart in my head, I will be thanking you. Because what you're doing, in my opinion, is you're showing me how you think and how you look at things. And it might it's probably different than how I
look at things. I'm like, oh, when when Chuck looks at a football game, he didn't even care about the score. He wants to see who controls the line of scrimmage, because that's where you really make your mark and like, Oh, what do you think the I don't I mean, I guess the standings might disagree with you. But I could see that like, yeah, control of the line is a bigger thing than maybe just a couple fluky fumble pickups in a
kickoff return. Like maybe just overall control of the game is something that is that is a measurable statistic that should be looked at more, even if I disagree. I'm like, oh, so the next time I watch a game, I'll be watching the line a little bit more. And I'll be like, Oh, I see what he's talking about. I see why this team can throw the ball deep because the quarterback doesn't have a
second at the row. All right, Chuck, even if we ended on bad terms, and expletives, I'd be like, for the rest of my life. I'll take that nugget of information about how you analyze the world and take that with me. And I everything is extremely personal to people. But for me, it's more, I'm just kind of fascinated with the way people think and, and how it aligns with being how it totally flies in the face of what I agree with and figure out how
they got there. And when you sit down and talk to people about their upbringing, if you do for a second, you kind of get it. You know, not everybody's parents are, you know, from the Upper West Side of New York and in a fluent, not everybody's parents are, you know, dirt floors and scraping by on 11 grand a year. Everybody's kind of in the middle with their own kind of interesting, weird story. And that's what makes us special.
I agree. 100% I love hearing other people's story. And especially Yeah, if it's kind of the same news stories, you it's not it's not as interesting. I mean, yeah, maybe you have more in common with maybe you hang out with more, but like in terms of like doing a podcast or like, if you're just at the bar and you meet a stranger or an Uber ride
or whatever. Like, I like getting to know people's stories and learning about like, that's what some of the most interesting conversations I've had, are just complete strangers in an Uber like my pickup, Uber drivers would, you know, talk to them, and they would they'd be from different countries. I want to hear about, you know, what is it like? Come guy from Cuba? Tell me about Cuba. Like, you know, there's a lot of people here that won't communism, like, is it good? You live there? You
lived in Cuba? Tell me about it. I mean, it's fascinating to hear.
And not only is it fascinating that the more interesting thing than even hearing their story is hearing how bored they are with it. Like what? Anybody you talk to whether they're, you know, foreign or domestic. Everybody's got that. Yeah, you know, my mom was a bounty hunter and my dad was like, what? Oh, yeah, sometimes she'd go pick up a guy and like he'd be in the backseat when I got home from school and she check into the in like, everybody's story is so boring to them. But they're so
interesting to me. And, you know, you were military brat. You lived in Poland, you speak four languages. Yeah. But you know, I like really like Pittsburgh, you know, it's like, what's Pittsburgh like is as opposed to Cameroon. You were there for two years? Well, it's weirdly kind of similar. Pittsburgh and Cameroon are similar in what way I'm fascinated. You got me? Yeah. And so I think that's what I've always appreciated about doing
stand up. And I've been able to do it as much obviously, I host a daytime talk show five days a week for 50 weeks a year, but going on the road and just talking to people because stand up it's the only time where you can meet strangers and they are total strangers but because you've had a fairly one way conversation with them for an hour they feel like they know you and in a way that they do depend on your act if you listen to my actor, you know some things about me and they feel
comfortable opening up to you and it's not the way they would with their lawyer or their doctor or even their spouse it just like you know, yeah, you know, the wife is in the bathroom off guard. I don't know what to do. She wants to have another kid, I'm not sure. And I'm like, within a second, I'm, like, immersed in your life for the 33 seconds that she's in the bathroom like, but that like gives me like an in depth look at like, Oh, this isn't just a Rando sitting at a table, you
know, Stage Right? This is a person that's enjoying my show, but also having this inner dialogue about it. Am I too old to be a dad? And, you know, we're all it all kind of humanizes us because we're all kind of going through different versions of the same thing. inner torment.
Yeah, but we I think we definitely have more in common with each other than differences. And I wish that we could just remind everybody have that instead of focusing on the things that make us different, which yes, there are some differences. We're not all the same. But there's a lot more in common than there is different.
And we all have, you know, we all want to have money and have a job and eat food and you know, be able to maybe have a little fun every now and then entertainment, maybe a little bit of travel. That's right.
A couple of prostitutes a week. I don't ask for much, you know? Yeah, I mean, truly, but you know, what you're describing Chuck doesn't draw traffic, I know. People into the voting booth. I know, I have to be like, Listen by people who tell you this. Chuck jolty. All right, listen, I picked up his phone one day, he was texting every single white person and it just said, get them. And I was really shocked by that. And we all need to come together. And that would drive
traffic. The fact that I'm talking to my homeboy, and having an incredible conversation won't drive as much traffic, but it will drive the traffic that you want. So you have to kind of make that decision. If you are a person that produces content or consumes content, do you want a lot of bland food? Or do you want very specific food, and I just want to be I'm going to be the vegan Thai food of, of content creators. I just want to be a person where you like, you think what I'm doing is
interesting. You agree with some you don't agree with others, but you're you're gonna come back. That's all I want. You know?
Yeah. Well, I think you have good takes on daily blast live. And yeah, I mean, you have good standup too, obviously. But yeah, I mean, it's unique. And I think that's what draws me to to you is like, Okay, I'm just not like there's certain people, some of these talking heads that have millions of followers, I can tell you what they're going to say about this event. Before they say they're so predictable. They always say the same thing. They're always gonna go after
the same people with you. And like your show, like, I don't know what you guys are all going to send me and I can kind of predict a little bit. But I mean, you usually bring an interesting takes on things. And Joe and the humor obviously helps. Yeah,
well, because we really are friends. And you know, I've done enough radio where, especially early in my career, you know, you'd be like you're going on the chuck and Larry show. And I'm like, man, I've been listening to guys for years, I get to plug my gig on the show. So cool. And the gig, the segment goes great. And then it commercial, like they turn away from each other. Like two cats that aren't speaking, one's
redone. The newspaper, one gets up and goes to the bathroom, like, oh, they hate each other. You know, because that's it, they're putting on an act in between breaks. And the day to day grind to that will be impossible if we didn't really like each other. And I think what makes our show special is that we all move to Denver, for the show. So we didn't, we don't we never did the show and then went back to our old lives. We all started a life here
together. So there's this like, it's a different relationship when you're like, hey, where do you go, you know, get your hair done. Hey, where? Who does dog boarding? I got like, when you guys are all figuring it out together. It's more like you're at a sleepaway camp, where there's a uniformity and that you're from different places, but you're in this new place figuring out together, and that's the different kind of bond.
Oh, absolutely. Yeah, you can tell you guys really have that bond. It is interesting. Yeah. When you see these people that work together, I see it a lot when I interview the musicians, because a lot of these musicians, they had success in this band, maybe in their 20s. And now they're in their 40s, or 50s, or 60s or whatever. But they're still reliant on that success from the band that when they were in their 20s, so they have to be in the band, and they've grown
completely apart. And that's why like, a lot of these big bands, you know, they tour in separate tour, touring buses, because they can't stand each other.
It's it's so it's hard for people to hear because, you know, when you hear that your favorite band hates each other. You know, it almost like as a shout against you. You're like, oh, well, you know, I liked these people and I liked the music that these people can't stand created. Well, what does that say about my tastes? But I mean, if you have a roomful of creatives, there's always going to be somebody that's like, hey, our first album went triple platinum.
Let's Let's do another one. And there's going to be someone out of the three or four and the more number of members you have, the more likely it's like no this let's do an acoustic album and they're like our fans, our hair metal. Our fans are down south Atlanta trap music and they're like, Yeah, but this one, let's have an r&b singer come in, and there's going to be different creative forces. And they may be right, they may be
wrong. But to get 4456 creatives, always flowing on the same plane is almost impossible. And I couldn't imagine being forced to tour with people that I couldn't stand. But then for a few hours have to like, Alright, here we go. I want to show you after the show, like, can you imagine like having to like fake that it would almost make you resent the more?
Yeah, I mean, it's soul sucking is what it is, I used to work. I know you were a teacher, too. I used to work in education. And I mean, it just I started it was soul sucking to me to work in education. Whenever you're doing anything that you don't really have your heart and soul into that you're not excited about you wake up and you can't wait to do it. It's like I don't It's not I don't know if there's any price that's worth it to me that to have your soul sucked out,
it beats you up. And I think what happens is, a lot of people realize and agree with the point you just made it myself included. But I think the difference is sometimes you feel that way. And you're like, Yeah, but for low all I got to teach or I have to drive Uber or I have to, you know, do what a dog walk maybe all the three in this gig economy. And what happens is, maybe you meet somebody, maybe something happens where financially now you're kind of dependent on that money, and or
you fall in love. And then you get married, now you got a kid on the way. And that kid is definitely dependent on you being a dog walker, and a teacher and an Uber driver. And you're like, But honey, you know, I told you I wanted to be a drummer. And she's like, I know. But that was before. Low allow a little chuck got here. Now. This is what you do. And you can feel that resentment. And it comes from a natural place of feeling like these entities came into your world
and affected your dreams. But you know, it doesn't take away from the fact that now you have this responsibility. But it also doesn't guarantee that there won't be some resentment in that responsibility. And I think that's what a lot of people are going through is just like, how do I rationalize who I am with who I thought I was?
Yeah, and what's your advice for that for people that want to do something? Because I feel like that is the biggest problem in the country right now? Yes, there's the fighting and stuff we're seeing. I mean, but think about if you're a troll online, like the deeper issue is that you haven't reached your purpose, you haven't figured out what it is that you're supposed to do. Because if you had you wouldn't be online trolling people. And that's just like an example.
Because still, like, there's a lot of people that are unhappy with what they're like how their life turned out. And so they're taking it out on other people. So how do we get people back to figure out what it is that they're here on earth to do and help them guide them into that path?
I say if you look at the people that are online, the least the people who probably could sell things, but don't, it's because there are people that found what they love to do. And sometimes you go and you're talking with, you know, some woman and you're like, Oh, what do you do? And she's like, Oh, I, you know, I'd like to craft furniture out of wood. And here's what I meant. And you're
like you made that table? Like, why don't you sell this idea that you think somebody, they don't even they're not thinking about putting that on Instagram, or putting it making a website and selling it because their love of what they're doing is so much more rewarding. Now, when they find out, they can make a lot of money. Hopefully they do that too, because you want to
get paid for what you love. But what that person has that somebody that may make a ton of money and corporate real estate, but hate every second of their life is that they found something that they would do for free. And they found something that frees them from the everyday grind of trolling, or the everyday grind of doom scrolling, or the everyday grind of just finding the terrible thing. And every parking at the stadium is a bitch. Yeah, but
you're with your kid. And it's the playoff game and like put a smile on your face. Come on, bro. This is not a dress rehearsal. You gotta have some fun in this life. So figuring out the pockets in which you have fun and you have joy, and doing the things that you like. And I think when people are like, I wanted to be a rock star, you know, and that didn't happen because, you know, she trapped me with two kids or like we had two kids, however you look at it. Hopefully at least
it's the latter of the two. I would I would question. Did you want to be a musician or did you want to be a rock star in both are okay? But if you want to be a musician, you can play the guitar. You can play the drums when the kids go to sleep. When the family's gone for the weekend. You can find time to do what you love. If you want to be a rock star, you want that adulation, you want that
attention. And that's something that also you're going to have to deal with and wrestle with because if you want attention, there are other ways to do it. If you want to tension start, you, when you're your spouse, start a podcast about, you know, I feel trapped, and he thinks I trapped him, star and me and my wife and we talk about we talk it out. And that's a creative way to get the attention that
you want. And also maybe make some inroads into your relationship and figure out a better way to figure out like who you are, ask people around you like, what do you think about like, honestly, like your best friend, the one person that never bullshit you? I've had friends, you know, back in the day, just pull me aside and be like, Hey, man, you're better than this. You know, it's got to
come from within. But you also have to take the, the advice of other people, if people say, Hey, man, you, you seem like you've lost your way a little bit, maybe we should get back to, you know, fishing, you just seem like you were really at peace there, you seemed like you were really at peace when you're working those AP school programs. You know, even if you have to stop doing Uber for a little while, I'd rather we have less money, and you have a smile
on your face. When you come back from working with those kids. Like there's ways to kind of navigate and find your joy in this life, but no one's going to give it to you. You just got to go out there and plausibly fight for it. And when I say plausibly, that means like, within reason, you can't quit all your jobs and say, I'm gonna be at rock star, like, come on. What you can do is being adult about it and figure out the best ways to get what you're looking for out of whatever set activity.
Yeah, that's an interesting dilemma. I feel like a lot of people, myself included, are going through like, I feel like I'm, I like doing podcasts I and people tell me, I'm good at it. So I'm like, okay, like,
you absolutely are.
Thank you. I've never been good at anything. So I'm like, I'm like, I think I should stick with this. But then I get so fed up. And so burnt out on trying to deal with publicists and trying to reach out for guests and like, just getting ignored and shit on and, and then I see the guest, we'll do another show. That's not as then my opinion is not as good. And it's just so frustrating. I'm like, at what point? Do I give up? And try something else?
Because I don't and then I don't even know what that other thing would be.
Let's rob a bank together mean you do a two off. I have severe ADHD. So like, will, you know I can't promise? I'm like, Oh, get away car around at 330. Okay, out Thursday.
Tuesday, though you have your show a new album that you should get. It's called in earnest? Yes, sir. It's hilarious. Only audio, right? There's no video portion of
it. There is a recording it's being what do you call that? finalized now? But yeah, for right now. It's just audio. And I'm super proud of it. It really, you know, without getting too much into it. The last two years, I had my car stolen, and I had my home vandalized. And it was, it was interesting, because and I
talked about it on the album. It was the first time that I felt like I had done enough internal work on myself in 46 years on this planet, where I knew in real time, I kept telling myself, I didn't know I hoped I kept saying, this will be funny, this will be funny, what day is it? Because there was there were most of the times in my life where, especially with the home, burglary that it could have gone the other way, you know, where you just go and do something silly, because I know did it.
And you know, I was really proud that I had at least done enough work, and had a strong enough support system around me to not only helped me kind of ease back into the world, but you know, learn to trust, trust people again, and also find humor in it, and learn a lesson about it. And also, like realize that I followed my instincts and those instincts were correct. And it still didn't work out great. But just all these lessons from all the things that you go through. You go well, why did that
happen? And why that happened? Well, you're learning things to deal with, like a crisis that I dealt with, because I felt like the crisis that I dealt with, especially again with the house. The car you can't do much about in the park and and obviously when you get back, but with the house, it's just like, it's the kind of thing where if you just go hey, I'm Chuck, I'm a hothead. What can I tell you? Well, there's a lot of guys, men and women, people in jail with that Mo. The system wants you to
be a hothead. The system wants you to be impulsive. The system wants you to not take no shit, bro. And they got a whole line of adults waiting for people that don't take no shit. You're gonna go see you're gonna have a CEO. You're gonna have a PIO, you're gonna have a judge. You're gonna have a court reporter you're gonna have a cop. You're gonna have somebody does fingerprints. You're gonna have anger management, you're gonna have all these wonderful things for people that don't take no shit.
Oh, yeah. It's kind of like the same thing. Whenever you see a homeless person. They've all got a store And it's there's always some excuse as to why they're homeless. But it's, uh, you could hear the same stories from people who are met, like wildly successful. They grew up with the same upbringing. My dad for one grew up with two alcoholic parents. His dad died and was 13 Mom was on welfare. And you know, he's not homeless on the street. He's doing really well.
Right? It there's got to be an inner drive to you to do better. And I think it's hard for people to see tomorrow. You just can't see tomorrow. So you're just like, I can't believe this guy at this concert. was perfect example. You know, there's a Patriots game what two weeks ago? Some that fan fighting in the stands. 30 year 30 years season ticket holder. Somebody punched him, he falls back hits his head never regains consciousness. Yeah, that was really sad. There's a
lot happens a lot, man. Like street fights are not like, you know, Western where you punch somebody in the stomach and, you know, then you challenge him to a duel. Sometimes you're drunk at a bar on Thursday. Somebody says, the bear suck. You say what do you say, buddy and you punch him. And they fall back and they hit their head on the fire hydrant. And now you're talking to your kids through glass for nine years for manslaughter. That happens all
the time. And I don't think people realize because they think hey, it's Roadhouse, just little box them up whenever you start doing things. In which now somebody else says actions can dictate the rest of your life. You got to be in a world of hurt. You know,
is this something you are grappling with? Because you say you know who robbed your house and you wanted to take revenge?
Oh, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Without a doubt, I know, did it? You know, and it was it was it was it was, I guess I can say because it you know, it doesn't you can still follow the bit. It's very in depth. But my I broke up my ex fiance. And she, that was watching somebody in real time. And here's another thing, you don't get a lot of life lessons. And I was watching somebody in real time spiral. And I didn't know what to do. She just stopped enjoying life.
And, you know, we tried medication, we tried this, we tried that. It just wasn't working. And after, I don't know, about a year, year and a half, I was like, this is not the life that I want to lead. She didn't abandon anybody. She's a very successful person worked in upper level strategy management at a very in a major field at a major conglomerate of hospitals. And I was like, oh, no, this isn't the life that I
want to lead. And I even though like we were in the home that I'm in now, I left I gave her two weeks to pack her stuff up, gave her three grand and move out. I stayed in hotels for two more not maybe like three and a half weeks, because she was dragging her feet on moving out. But I just I knew when we broke up, you know, I have it. I have other things to think about, besides just being the bigger person I have to think about as
a black man on TV. If somebody says, you push me or he bullied me, I without even being able to defend myself that could cost me work. It could cost me my career. And so when I broke up with her, and it's so interesting that my exam was talking about it for a year before it happened because I just saw her disintegrating. And I tell asked my one of my best friends in worlds do named John Vargas. I was like how, you know, when shall I do it? And he was like, trusting me, homeboy.
When the time comes, you'll know. And when we did break up, she was right. She just made one more comment. And I turned down how much sports you watch. But when Vince Carter won the dunk contest, and he just goes it's over with his hands like that. Like I just turned to work, bro, don't yell ever. I just I think I'm like half on the spectrum. Like I don't get super anonymity of the way. I just turned on. I
was like, it's over. And I turned, I grabbed my wallet, my keys, I walked out the back door, got into my car on the drive in the garage. And I never laid eyes on her again. I sent her a text that was like, hey, you know, please move out in the next couple of weeks. You know, I just didn't want to be in the house alone. Because once you're in the house alone, what if What if she's blocking the door? What do I do? You know, there's no good scenario. That could be that could become of me being in
the house. I was like, you take the house that I pay for and you move out here's three grand for you to get him over. You to go wherever you need to go, I let her keep the ring the ring was fitting grant. And I was just like, just I just do it. I just wanted to be happy. I'm a happy guy, though, you know, like, my goofy. Mike, my friends are so goofy, they're professional, Goofy, Goofy dudes, they show up to an arena, or to a theater with no equipment and no backups. That's how silly my I'm
a silly guy. I like to have fun. I like to be with my kids. And I did it. This person was not interested in that kind of life anymore. And, you know, I just, I, I knew if I didn't get out, it could get ugly, because she just was a very, not physically, she never put her hands on me.
But it's very, like, that kind of thing where like, people kind of do that thing where they're standing in front of you like, No, you're not gonna go past me until I'm done dealing with you that kind of where that could just lead to the wrong aerosols. It's like, I don't want to be out of this. And dude, I came back into my house. And I was on the phone with my boy, John Vargas. And it was Labor Day, a year. This last Labor Day would
have been a year. And I walked in the house on the Saturday Labor Day weekend, and I'm looking down at my phone. You know, just talking to him on speakerphone. And I keyed into my, my key and I'm still talking and like as I opened the door, like my voice started echoing like, I was doing a walkthrough at a Zillow house, you know, and I look to my right and my couch is gone. And then the table, my office upstairs is cleaned out. Like I'll send you pictures. Obviously, I took pictures and
all that kind of stuff. I mean, just because when somebody has a couple of weeks to steal all your stuff, they go through drawers. So like I had to get new silverware and new towels. And I always talk about like, yeah, you she took my bed, she took it to person sauna, she stole that itis everything that I don't, she literally left me with the clothes on my back. And I was I had a rolling office chair that was still downstairs, and what used to be my gym. And
I remember so weird. I never had spoken to this person on the phone before. But I called this. This great attorney named his name's Mike. Mike. I galosh. Mark eyeglass. He is a He's an attorney in Florida. And he does our show all the time. And I don't know why I called him Chuck. I've never called him before in my life. Maybe there was a part of me like legally do I have any standing but like, why he came to my mind we'd never hung out, you know, post. And this is like, really right
after COVID. So like, no one had seen anybody in the years. And I was like, Yo, my extra stole all my shit. And he just like, he's a real peaceful Zen Dude, I'm assuming he probably went through the same thing. Personal growth, and I was kind of hitting me with some of that. But he was like, Look, man, as a lawyer, I can point you in the direction of you know how to chase down now use on on your use bed and you know what shape you get it back end, and I can't
tell you. Or you can say I traded all that to get out of this relationship. And I had to start looking at it like that. I had because I was going to make myself crazy.
So you can't make a police report on that. No, because after
she lives with the community, yeah, yeah. And when I say it on stage, everybody, like jaw is on the floor. And I'm like, It's so crazy how all these people with a $200,000 college education, including myself, had no idea that if somebody sleeps on your couch for two weeks, that's their TV dog. That's their bed. That's right. It's so It's so crazy. But yet like, I feel like we have this very, like, airy fairy like, yeah, Chuck, you met that random girl at the ski lodge it
move around. You never know. Yeah, love. Like it's a really big deal. Yeah, well,
you movie. Yeah. dodged the bullet, though, that you guys broke up before you actually got married because if you are legally married, well, you have to pay like alimony or
this is the kind of this is that Kevin Costner second wife, where there was a prenup, and she still fought it. I don't think people understand like, like, I got divorced. Me and my ex wife are cool. Like, we were so cool. We use my lawyer like we use one lawyer. Like we're just like, we love our kids. It just didn't work out with us, blah, blah, blah. You know, I got you. There's never been any issue with money. Whatever we did, you know, we did it in an unpleasant
situation. It was the best case scenario. I look at somebody like her and she would she would have taken pleasure. Like sitting at a fine Italian dining, just taking a sip of good red wine and like sampling the past that she would have taken our time and drag that divorce out. In a way where have you ever met somebody where like you can tell the divorce changed them to the point where They're not the same person anymore. Because it's just so much back
and forth. And you're like, telling your lawyer, can we just end this? Yeah, she wants to push back. She wants to have the three goldfish. Yeah. Yeah, she wants, she wants you to give her, you know, one of your tires off of your car every month for two years, just make again impossible to close this up and move on. And that's part of the the idea that like, there has to also be another account or voice because I think a lot of people meet people that are very good
at meeting people. They meet people that are very good at putting on a show and making themselves stand out from other people. And they're good at that. Because no different than any other con man. They know that when you get to the end of this maze, you're not going to be happy with what you find. But the front of them mazes the carnival, it's, you know, light up things and they say, Hey, let's step right up and look over here and hey, man, you're
beautiful. Come say, here's a free candy for your goofy kid. And what they don't realize is once they start down that road, there's no turning back. And I got off lucky. Because I can't imagine what she would have asked for. I'm sure she would have presented herself as credible in court, you know, college graduate did have probably it looks good on paper. It's terrifying. But it's not. Me. Yeah, good. Sorry. In hindsight,
is there any red flags? Because it seems like everyone has a story like this, whether it's a romantic relationship, or a friendship or business partner, they always have, there's always a story like this, if somebody just gets fucked over, and they don't see it coming. So in hindsight, you look back and go, Okay, these are all red flags.
Yeah, yeah, I started seeing little ones. First, we were we were super happy. And, you know, this sounds kind of dumb. But the first thing I ever noticed that, like really bothered me is one time, you know, we live downtown, I live like a couple streets off, you know, we're basically right outside of the city capitol, and I'm, you know, so it's like, I have a nice house. And, you know, it's a nice quiet area back here. But like two streets over, you know,
it's, it's the city. And there was a homeless guy, the last summer that she was here, and this is during COVID. And, like, I have a fence that runs along the sidewalk. And he was passed out kind of in between the garage where it kind of juts out and where the fence meets maybe like a 190 degree angle that created some shade there. And it was a homeless man, kind of just like, you know, just like, probably passed out, you know, just from the heat or whatever.
And, you know, she was just like, let's call that she called the police on him. And I was like, let's just take him some water. You know, I was like, what, first of all, why would you call the police to a black man's house? Like, when could that ever be good? Like, the black men and police we've met it was a blind date didn't work out. We should just we should
try to never meet each other. I hope I want to spark a Spark Summit saying this is that I don't want to have the handshaking and like, oh, black people in blue. I just want to be like, Y'all stay over there. We'll stay over here. Let's try to never interact.
So it sounds like maybe it could have needed an ambulance if anything if he's passed out, right?
Or just like, you know, most dudes are just kind of like it wasn't like he wasn't spread eagle. He was like in the corner in the shade. It was like 99 degrees that day. And so the police come and they were like yeah, we gave him two bottles of water and he left and I was like, but he's just like she was very much a Black Lives Matter t shirt. Not this black life. You know, my body my choice, not my body. Not what my choice that my
stuff stolen. It. It was very much she lived in a lot of colloquialisms and a lot of up speak. But I started to realize she wasn't she didn't live that for real. She wasn't really an advocate for anybody but herself. And
sounds like she's a narcissist if you don't research on narcissists. I did. Rather rather, there are entire YouTube channels on narcissist. There's different kinds of narcissists. I had a narcissist expert on my show. It is fascinating because I was in a relationship like that too. And I didn't realize it until later. And I didn't know what a covert narcissist was. And I learned on that and I was like, wow, this is really eye opening. And I feel like they should eat this shit in school.
Absolutely. I talk to my daughter about it all the time, Chuck because I watched all those there's the Indian woman. Yes, there's an Indian woman. There's a black woman. She's got kinda like really curly hair.
Have you seen the black guy? mental health illness? He is a narcissist. He says, and he's really good too.
Oh, that's interesting. Yeah. You know, because I, people throw the word nurses around, but like, they don't really know it when it's in their face. And, you know, I definitely started knowing that because, you know, this is not political. I don't care about Trump, whatever, whatever, whatever. But he's definitely clearly a narcissist. And one thing about being a narcissist is an overt
narcissist. Right. And that's what screwed me up because I didn't know there's a covert narcissist that is like, it's almost a completely different narcissist. And so you don't realize, like Trump, they don't tell you I have to say I'm the greatest of all time. They don't say that shit. But they they do this stuff like sneaky. It's really scary.
Yes. And like, you know, the, the telltale sign for me is just like, like yesterday, we were supposed to be listening. We supposed to do his podcast yesterday, we messed up the times, whatever. You're like, oh, man, I totally screwed that up. I must have been a narcissist could never do that they can't learn lessons. Because that would mean that they were wrong about something in their brain cannot compute. I don't know if you remember a long time ago when there was a
hurricane coming. And it was still back when Trump was doing stuff. And people thought it was funny. And I thought it was alarming. But the National Weather Service had like a hurricane coming to Florida. And he took a black sharpie, and he drew the direction that he said it was going to go even though they predict it was going to go up the East Coast. And people thought that was funny. But that was a real thing. It's because they cannot accept that something that they're wrong.
And I remember what an argument we had, because her brother had two dogs that he would she would just be like, well watch the dogs. Her brother, her brother was like a newlywed or whatever. So they would like oh, we want to go to Vail this weekend. So they would just leave us with these dogs. Now all of a sudden, it's negative 10 outside in Colorado, and I'm walking to gigantic dogs, you know, in dead of winter so they can go galavanting around. And so these are big dogs are tearing stuff
up and out their dogs. They're running full speed, you know, tape breaking lights off a light fixtures and stuff. And so I used to have my podcast studio downstairs, now it's upstairs. And, you know, she was like, my brother would be here like 330 to get the dogs. And so I start recording at four and just, I just hear just what sounds like a herd of buffalo above my head is I'm trying to record and I go what it's like 430 What do you do? And she's like, the dogs are
playing. And I'm like, you said the dogs gonna be gone an hour ago. And she was like, Yeah, but I'm allowed to invite them into our home. And I was like, this is where I work. This is my work is well and she goes no, it's our home. This isn't our work, and I go don't you work from home every day. When you say that this is your work as well. And she just like she just repeated. This is our home because she couldn't admit that she was so wrong. And she's basically standing in her office
in our home. She couldn't her brain. Yeah, I'm like you're in your you can't. You don't have a leg to stand on. You're standing in your office. You know, she still couldn't admit like, I get it. I'll just send the dogs home. Yeah, you know, it's people think that that's a little thing. But it's a bigger sign if you can't admit that you're wrong. Where can you go? How can you learn?
Yes, exactly. I'm always admitting I'm wrong. I screw up all the time. But that's yeah, you try to
learn from it's so freeing. It's so free and like, Dude, that's how you move
on from it. Bro. You're I fucked up. All right. Well, try not do it again.
Yes, that's it. Just yeah, you don't just tell the other person? No, I didn't fuck up. You just not looking at it. Right? Tilt your head and in the paintings not crooked. Yeah, I say you know what, I'll get a level less next time because I'm super lazy. That's why it's crooked. And then you move on with your life. And you don't
make it a three hour. We're not talking you know, or sleeping together which is another thing that that was that was just a faucet that just turned off and I realized very quickly you know, there's always those like 90 sitcoms it was like Oh, my wife didn't we're not intimate when you're living that but there's no jokes written by Hollywood writers. It's not it's not as funny the everybody loves Ray's not funny with no punch
lines. And I feel for guys that I know guys that are like we got married and it just stopped or I also know a lot of women that are live we just got married and he gained 40 pounds and started going playing golden tea at the bar. And I'm like yo what happened to the dude I met there was a lacrosse all American you know it's it's a very dangerous when it doesn't work out well prospect about linking your life intertwining your life with a relative stranger. I mean it super dangerous, this person
should be really vetted. Because if people knew how in control this person you met on Tinder or Bumble, or half drunk at a Cinco Demayo party five years ago, now this person gets 20% of your dad's will. Like these needs to be things that are investigated, but I think there is a proclivity within a lot of people to want to live a movie.
So they're like, Well, I never see that in movies, all I see is this guy throws away his corporate life and runs away with this barefoot woman that you know, likes to travel and blow off work. Well, that's not that great a year in, you know, when we need to talk about health insurance. And we need to talk about very serious things and fun things. And we can't do certain things because your license is suspended because you
didn't get it renewed. Because you don't believe in the overall load of the government and all these kinds of things. It's fun for 48 hours, but not really good for life stuff. You need to make sure that you find a partner that is vetted, that has just as much to lose as you do. And also like, do you like their friends? Do their parents like them? Do they like where they work? Were they happy before you they met you? All these things that you want to overlook? Question
I've learned too is the ask about past relationships. If it's like, oh, you know, all the exes. It was all there was always something wrong with them. And this person has, you know, they say that they're perfect. Or it's the same kind of thing. It's like, that's a huge red flag. Like, Oh, that's weird. Like, every relationship you had, like, you were always the victim. And you always got dumped for no reason and you didn't do anything.
Right? I mean, isn't that they don't even realize how, because it's short sighted. Just looking at that sentence on its face. It's like, wow, you've had a really bad string of luck. But maybe, yeah, it best case scenario. There's something wrong with your picker. Or worst case scenario, there's something wrong with you. And the people that picked you quickly realize that this is some produce they need to put back on the shelf. So one of the two is true, and
it's not good either way. And it shows that you are a person that is not capable yet have any type of real self reflection. And I think that's the hard part that people don't want to Yeah. Oh, yeah. David, Chuck, he's crazy. I data owl. He's crazy. Well, all these crazy people, They've all moved on, and they're double is in an insane asylum. No, he's married with two kids. He's a lawyer in Long Island. Oh, it's not too crazy. You know, it's like there. There's no ability
to pull yourself in. I've done that. You know, when I was drinking, I had a moment at the Hyatt, by myself in my room, I was like, this ain't working bro. And I never had another drink again. I quit cold turkey 26 2019 in December. And it was just an evaluation of like, are you happy? Do you feel good? Are your relationships what they could be? Are you as good as job as you could be? And they answered all that were no. And I found the root of the problem,
which was me. The secondary root was alcohol, I eliminated one that did some work on myself. And, you know, things worked out. But like that wasn't easy. Confronting yourself and like not being able to Well, they did this. And if, you know, if Chuck had come through on his end of the business deal, maybe we'd be millionaire. Like you can always do that. Right? But sometimes it's you dude. And there's a beauty to knowing that it's so freeing to just be less you take
control back instead of once you turn on Trump or Biden or the government or the you know, the corporation, you work for whatever, you take ownership, and you say if my life is not where I want to be. It's, it's because of me. So when you say, the second time you said that you did some work on yourself, what does that mean? Because people say that a lot. And I didn't really know what it meant. And I guess I still don't know what it means for everybody. But for me, I know, I
know what that means. Now, like, what's the work I need to do on myself? Like, but for you? What does it mean?
For me? It meant just kind of, you know, first of all, I had to stop drinking. I had to question myself as to why alcohol become such a part of my life. And it's easy, you know, my job literally people would hand me a shot when I walked into work and hand me five on the way out and Monday Night Football, Thursday night football, and, you know, the nine year olds birthday party is
always the time to drink. And when I had associated my brand, before people were using that term, but just like who I was, you know, it's like, I'm out of the party guy. Like I would get into town and you know, playing some comedy club in Detroit and
the Oh, dude, bro. I requested Friday off I'm not even going to work that night just so we can hang on after and they hit me one time was like, wouldn't be better if the waitstaff was saying we had to double our waitstaff because we know you're going to sell so many tickets. rather than the waiter feel uncomfortable taking the night off, so we can drink later. It just hit me like all the things that are suppose I used to think were cool, I didn't think were
cool. I started I stopped thinking that it was really cool to like, Oh my I don't know, I got an Uber, I don't know, I can't find my shoe. Hi, it's like, you're 45 it's not to say it's not fun. It's not cute anymore. And it probably wasn't cute then. But you get away with it when you're young and more charming and more like, you know, but after a while you're just you start to not be fun. You start to be resentful. When you drink you're not like, let's
get some rum. Like rum is what you drink when you're young and you're still happy. After a while you're just drinking scotch by yourself, uh, you know, at an Irish bar at four in the afternoon, a guy next to us reading the newspaper. You know, those sports enters on mute in the corner, you're like, This isn't as fun as it used to be. And I just had to make some
really easy choices. And when I say easy, like I just stepped back from drinking, and didn't even go even though it's legal here in Colorado didn't really head right into Oh, medical marijuana. It's like, why am I trying to cloud my mind? All the time? Like, what is that? What are you running from? And you know, I did some mushrooms. As a matter of fact, I started doing mushrooms, then I don't really do them anymore. But I did maybe like maybe like five times over the course of a couple months.
And really just like bro, I would rent a hotel, somewhere beautiful and Colorado and just go out and just write and go out and you know, listen to music and analyze it and walk and breathe air and like, you know, there'll be moments where like, crying because like there needs that that stuff is in you bro. Especially for dudes. This stigma of like women cry, I'm like, God bless you. I wish I could do that more. Because that that that that faucet has to be drained. It's not a badge of
honor to say I didn't cry. I didn't cry at my dad's funeral I should have maybe I wouldn't have drank for two years in a row. Because I didn't allow myself to process and grieve his loss because I was like, I'm the man of family now. Okay, let's call the coroner. Let's do this. Let's just I didn't have a second to be like God Damn, my dad is gone. You know, and that would have really helped me. And I allowed myself to process all these things that alcohol and fake bar conversations covered
up. You know? Yeah, Tom Brady's good. You think you can get another one? Dude, every guy in there is dealing with something then it ain't Tom Brady? It we all there's a reason you're in a bar. Yeah. 30 When I walk past the bar, and I see. I'm like, I know why y'all want to hear maybe more than you do.
Now that's exactly that's spot on. I I've learned the same for my man. I don't I didn't cut out alcohol completely. But I cut cut it way down like it just not. Because I think when you're in you're at least for me when I was in my 20s and early 30s. Like it was such a like, a huge part of your life. Like it's like, okay, where are we drinking this weekend? Like, the man The only question, whereas now it's like, there's most weekends. I don't
even drink at all. I'm just like, Okay, well, but we're gonna do this. We're gonna watch this football game. I don't I don't need a job want to do things that I don't need alcohol to enjoy it when I want to do the things that I liked doing sober? Because otherwise what's the then otherwise you go? What's the point? Like, especially when you're in those loud clubs and stuff? I'm like, I don't like this. Like, why am I drinking? So annoying? That's
what started happening to me. One of the things that I do remember that my ex told me it was really like me staring directly into my inner psyche. But I was in Vegas, like doing the regular Vegas boys trip and I just like I I had been for years feeling this way. But I never want to articulate it because I felt like I was like going against my my brand and I'm not using it to be a douchebag like the brand I established within myself. Everybody sees me as fun party out. I'm fun party out, Chuck.
That's what I am Chuck. That's another Yes. Yes. That might this is my persona. When people see me they know Liberty guy shots in like, Yeah, we're gonna get it. And we had I had a lot of fun. I mean, not you know, I wouldn't have in the backyard. hooligan brawls, you know, I was having fun, you know, hanging with the boys chasing girls watching sports. It was it was good for a little while when
you're younger. But, you know, they're, my ex said to me, she said I called her because she was like, I think I'd overslept. And didn't call her from Vegas. But she, she she told me when we did talk, and I only remember that I was so drunk. But she just said I kept saying, I don't want to do this. I don't want to be here. I don't want to be here anymore. And I remember even though I remember the conversation, I remember like her having angst about me being out there and I'm like, I don't
want to go here anyway. Like you start being angry at the world you'd like I don't even so if something happens like you get a flat tire on the way to a nightclub you don't want to go to your like I should have nevertheless left my house. I didn't want to do this and I stopped. I started to realize, oh, I don't have to. There's not British soldiers showing up with bayonets and making me go like what did not do. I'm each I'll come to the crib, we'll do
something else. And I started finding other things that I like to do. And I started challenging myself like, I was very tech phobic. And now I would say like, Man, I put my I built my studio, I understand lighting, I can make music, I can video edit, and that's hours and hours, it just, but it's all these things I wanted to do, Chuck. And now I get a chance to
do it. I wrote a movie script, I wrote a kid's book, I produced my own album, I'm making music album, I'm doing a series called 23 G about how hip hop and commercialism fused into one. And that's why you see Snoop Dogg selling Coronas. And you know, why hip hop is so used in marketing and my theories behind that, but all these things were things I was wanting to do. And I'm like, Ah, after this next shot, do let's go line them up.
And then after a while, you realize you're not doing any of these projects that you say you claimed that you were so interested in doing. So now I cherish every day and I just like, Man, I love my little goofy old man side projects and the my serious projects I love
my job. I love connecting with my kids and like removing that layer of distance that you have from the world with alcohol and and just feeling feeling the good and the bad and like letting that is sometimes you got to think a little bit duck. You know, if a if I got some bad news got rejected from some set of going out and drinking the pain away like I want it to stay, let that burn drive you to the next thing. I don't want to forget how mad I was that I should have got that promotion.
I didn't like no, now I'm gonna work twice as hard.
That's amazing. I love that so inspiring. And that's exactly right. You need to be able to feel that even with like you said, the passing of your dad, you could use that to fuel your life, like how does your dad want you to live? Like he doesn't want you to go out and drink the pain away or whatever. He wants you to live your best life, which I think it sounds like you're doing,
man, I'm happy. I'm happy man. I never knew that could be this happy in this. satisfied and really my only frustration comes from not being able to get all the things I want to want to do.
Sounds like you're doing so much. How do you juggle so many projects? And I mean, I feel like I just tried to focus on the podcast and YouTube channel. I feel like that eats up so much of my time. How do you do all these other things? Well, that's because you're doing it
right, Chuck? I guess you have
to, like it's good enough. But
some of this stuff is no one wants to hear this. A lot of it is luck. And it's like yeah, hard work. Obviously you do that part. But, you know, if you're an artist, you know, you
make sculptures. Okay, cool. But when you become like the biggest sculptor in the world is because Kanye West mentioned you in one of his albums, because he saw you by at a local art thing that he saw, I mean, might not be the right artists that mentioned but like, so you get your name gets dropped to the right person, and this person standing next to their wife's brother in law, who's an art dealer and he looks up stuff, and now all of a sudden, it's somewhere it's a
lot some of this stuff is you have to put your best foot forward in terms of like, this is the best YouTube channel I can present. This is the best stand up that I can present. You take it to the people, you let them look at it, but in terms of like going from, you know, like, you know, successful in your own right, to some core to, to blowing to where now, you know, you have a publicist and you
have guests lined up. I mean, a lot of is just like, Right place, right time, what you're talking about right time, you know, some people were doing podcasts about the bachelorette with their friends, because that's what they liked. And then it got popular, and I'm sure they they refresh their feed, and you know, they have 300,000 new subscribers, you know, you're a flat earther that's on some kind of weird website. And all of a sudden, conspiracy
theory becomes more popular. Joe Rogan starts talking about if there's more of a need for consumption. And now like some guy that, you know, used to have some weird thing out of his basement has seven employees. It's right place right time. I mean, he's still talking the same stupid stuff. But there's now an audience that was looking for that. So you just have to position yourself so then when the audience comes, and they go, yo, I liked that interview.
Well, I like that interview with that kicker that Narcissus oh shit he got Oh, dude, I know that guy know her. And after a while, you know, I think it was about Malcolm Gladwell had the tipping point. You know I'm living proof kind of with this show. I mean, daily blast live. I was sure we were going to be canceled within the first season. We should have we were terrible show. Terrible show. Here. Here's here's luck. personify I start the show daily blast live we get here there's
not even a studio built. We are practicing in the rec room of an apartment complex, like this show that you see on a 88 and 88 markets in the country. We were practicing my call was Erica Jeff Tory, we were turning into each other with our cell phones. Like okay, now you go okay, now Jeff, you respond, we'll turn like there was no it was just a it was a soundstage and empty black soundstage, you could have filmed anything in there. We get on we have an initial boss,
she's horrible. And she was definitely I think, trying to tank the show. So she can move back to LA. She gets fired through a set of circumstances, I'll tell you off air, but they're so beautiful. Oh my goodness, sometimes karma winds. And so she gets fired out of a cannon. And we get a guy named Bert Dubrow he started Jerry Springer. He started Sally Jessy Raphael. My call was Sam knew him from back in the day in LA. He's ready to get back in the
business. He comes to Denver changes, our set changes everything. We're still kind of mediocre on the ratings. But the thing with daytime television why it's so hard to move up is because you got these titans that are just sitting there forever, bro. You know, Dr. Phil, Dr. Oz. Ellen, all these shows, they don't move. So there's no space for younger younger shows. But just weird timing. Ellen goes away that Judge Judy goes away. Dr. Phil
goes away. Dr. Oz goes away. All these titans start to kind of fall start to get older LS controversy, whatever. And then the pandemic hits. All these shows go on hiatus. They're showing reruns nobody wants to see that. But you know what, there's a little show with two people in an empty studio. Like just talking, just talking cover news, reminding people that the world is still out there. And when we come back from pandemic, bro, we were ready to go. We were ready to go. Then we were
ready. We were real show. And then we start getting guests on, we make them laugh because we're like, You're famous and we're fans, but like you're going to talk like you're on our living room. Because we don't know any other way to do it. We're not going to good to see your Chuck, you've got a new book cares. Like, yeah, we're gonna bust balls and have fun and cry and laugh and have a full day a full experience with you. And, and hopefully have you come back and
people resonate with that. And, you know, now when I go out, you know, it's not crazy for me to get recognized three or four times, like when I'm out somewhere. And it's, it doesn't like I think the mushroom separating my ID or my ego, like I have no emotion towards that, except for I'm really appreciative of the fans, I think maybe some years ago and be like you, you know what I am the best. Now I think about it I
is I am awesome. Like, my whole thing is like, you know, I just want to keep making fun content and do things that continue to make me interesting, not only to the outside world, but more importantly, to my kids and to myself, and I feel like when you when you're true to all those things, how can you go wrong? So, you know, I hope that means something to you in terms of like, Dude, you don't know,
nobody knows. Nobody was like, Yeah, you know what, there's going to be a show called Judge Judy, it's going to be this tiny, four foot 10 Jewish woman she's going to tell people to shut up and what they should do, it's going to be a huge hit. And you'd be like, what? I'm a huge Judge Judy fan. I still listen to I still live my life by when these rules and everybody should take it. If something doesn't make sense. It's not true.
That's the best thing I've ever heard because it's so true real life and anytime you heard something like that sounds like bullshit. It you know, it just, you know, it's just such a great philosophy. She had all these great ways to look at life and all these things, people to take away. And it's like, you don't know what's going to be big. Who knew that? You know, an ex UFC announcer would have sway over presidential election like Joe Rogan. Who is the guy from news radio? You don't know? Who
knows? Yeah, so like crazy. It's crazy. But people look at the world like yeah, Joe Rogan, like the dude from fear factor that's making people eat bull testicles. Has Bernie Sanders is on his show. How'd that happen? He's a great random.
I don't know, I know. You're not a huge fan. I think Jeff is on the show or one of the other people too but and, and he has some really interesting conversations.
Oh, Joe Rogan? Yeah. Oh, yeah, I'm not No, I'm not anti Joe Rogan at all. My only issue with him was just the COVID stuff just because there's, as somebody that my undergrads in biology, I went to graduate school for biomedical sciences, I did medical research. Once you start with a notion of just this thing works on your body. This doesn't when there's something as serious as a pandemic. Especially like when you know that if something happens with you, like you get COVID like he did Do you have
access to the best doctors? It's not fair because you're telling information and people that you have to know do not. And you have to know there's a part of you that does not know what you're talking about. Because it takes years to know just a little bit about just DNA sequencing or it. I used to work with mRNA. And I like I'm seeing people on Facebook posting about us, like, what it what world, it's this, like, I used to wear a lab coat and like, you know,
work with mice. And like now like people's uncle, like, let me tell you about mitochondria. And I'm like, All right, let's do it. Like, if people knew the intricacies of these things, it's like somebody's thinking that they could coach a football team. And like, when you see the intricacies of like, what the offensive line is doing and what signals they're calling out and what that means and what to
decode. It takes a lifetime of junior high, high school playing, understanding breaking down hundreds of hours of film, just for somebody to go, I could have done that better. It's like you couldn't like anything that you get really good at. It takes your lifetime to get good at. So just like show people that respect, especially when you're talking about people's health.
That's all especially in a country without socialized medicine, where this is not how I want to fit in my life without helping up to four fifths of my life and no health insurance. And Chuck, I'm running at 3% from my battery. Should I can I charge my laptop because I can only have I can have my sound and my camera on. But I can't charge my phone. It's so annoying. Okay, do you want to do you want to pause or we can pause? Okay, give me a maybe
give me like 20 minutes. Let me just throw it on the charger and I'll be ready.
Okay, sounds good. Yeah, I'm gonna go to the bathroom. Okay. All right. Perfect.
Pause, pause, pause. Edit it. I'll see in a minute. There we go. Okay, sorry to slow.
No, no, it's good. gives you more time to think.
Yeah. All right. We're good now. Cool.
Yeah, so yeah, no, Joe Rogan? I do like Rogan, like I don't, I don't watch every interview. I mean, how could you but some of the ones he's had are so fascinating. But I see what you're saying with the COVID stuff to people were like, everybody was an X wasn't just him. Everybody was an expert on on vaccines and drugs and COVID.
And the one thing I liked about the Rogen said, though, is that he was, which was something that very few people said was, which I thought the news should be preaching is, eat right? Exercise, this is the time to get healthy. Because we know if you're in better shape, and you're taking better care of yourself, you have a better chance to beat it.
Right? Yeah. No, that that that's all very true. And I mean, I think that will probably go for almost any ailment you might have. The thing with the vaccines is really, I think they should have just told people consider this a seatbelt. For the car accident that is going to be COVID. Good gives you a better chance to make it through that.
Sometimes it did more harm than good for some people like, I mean, there was people that were there having their little kids take the vaccine, which may and then they said, Oh, well, if you don't do it, you're selfish. Because if it protects you from spreading it, which then they said, No, actually, it doesn't do that. But then so why did I think if you're young and you're healthy, I don't think you needed to take it. Now. If you're obese, and
you're 78 years old? Yeah, you probably need the COVID vaccine. Because if you get it, it's gonna kill you.
Right? Well, I mean, I think again, absolutely. The kids are fine, but it's like, Can the kids go see grandma? Can the kids talk to their teachers? You know, as a former middle school teacher, there were only 13 of us for middle school of were 3200 kids, you know, so you can't afford to lose too many working professionals. I think that was really part of it was just, you know, my call was Sam, her brother in law, Eric passed away from COVID. When he was 43
years old. He was considered to be the sickest patient alive with COVID. He's 43. He was an incredible he was a surfer. So he was like one of the rare 43 year olds that had a six pack. He was he was in incredible shape. And he was one of those people that sadly, just it just hit him hard. And he never recovered, had to have a double lung lung transplant. Only a few of those have ever been successful. He lived for maybe about another three months after
that. But I watched her go through that and as somebody that watched a human being disintegrate from when I met him years before to seeing him post COVID It was something that I'll always live with. And you know, in terms of vaccines, it I look in no matter how we feel about it. That fact that I go to baseball games and basketball games and movie theaters and don't think about it anymore, that, that I couldn't see that when we were in the middle of
COVID. Like I couldn't foresee a time where I would feel comfortable around large groups of people. And, you know, I don't think that their rollout was perfect, perfect. I don't think the way that they framed it was perfect. But we also have to remember, these are human beings. And no one knows no one knew what they were doing. Quite frankly, I
think that I wish that somebody would have just said, Hey, we don't know everything. This is what we know right now. So this is the best course of action based on what we know. But this whole like, No way I know, this is how it should be on either side was so vexing to me. I just couldn't I couldn't take these people that knew what they, you know, demanded that they knew what they were talking about 100%? Because nobody knew.
Do you want to know why I thought that the vaccines were safe, and it's really a sad commentary on our country, is I knew as a country that functions under the capitalistic system, there is no advantage. And there is no want by the state by the government to take care of its citizens. The government wants you to get out there and get back to work. And I felt like that when people were saying get back to work before we had a vaccine, or when there wasn't enough of the population was
vaccinated. I don't think that they were like, Oh, shucks grandmother's going to get sick or al might get sick. I don't think they cared. What they worried about was like, is somebody gonna be that window when you pull around for fast food, when it's time for tax season, so they're going to be accountants there so they can
get us our money. I really felt that the government wouldn't do anything for our health, they would do anything for the economic, greater good, no different than it was, you know, prescription pills were allowed to flood the market. I don't think that all the government knew is that they were getting
their money. All hospitals knew that they were getting money and doctors were getting bonus checks, mind the fact that they're making heroin addicts, out of people that used to be upstanding members of the community. I live that in that I've ruptured my Achilles tendon. In Florida in the mid 2000s, when I lived in Miami, that's where I taught middle school. And I remember I used to drive past those are like CVS is where you know, they're showing all these documentaries of
people lined up. And when you're living in something that's going to be a documentary one day it's interesting because you don't go there or something scandalous over there. You just go That's weird. I just kept saying I was like, what why did it Why does it look like Black Friday over there? You know, like, and I didn't put it together and when I ruptured my Achilles my dad, my doctor, you know, they sent you to after after Sir Your has
an outpatient surgery. You know, they, he's, he gave me this back when I used to give people oxy cotton. I think this is even before oxycodone. And I took one or two right after surgery because the pain is so intense, but I stopped taking them just because they make you crazy constipated, which I didn't realize. That's why people also get hooked on laxatives. I also had a doctor that I was telling him like, you don't need to fill this anymore because because I feel okay. I didn't even have
any money for rehab. Like I had to rehab my ruptured Achilles by myself. I didn't have health insurance or anything. I was a 30 year old playing pickup basketball. And my doctor was refilling my eye. He's like, just take it just get it filled. And I didn't, I thought that was weird, because I wasn't taking them at all. And I had full pill bottles of like 60 pills of the real stuff before they even
started watering it down. And I was so as a black man, I was so removed from pill culture that I didn't even know their street value. Like I had no idea but you know, had this had been 10 years later. I mean, you wouldn't know me, I'd be gone. Because I mean, the way that my doctor was throwing, like Donkey Kong, throwing barrels of pills at me, so when I hear that when I watch these documentaries is a crazy documentary called The
crime of the century on HBO. And it is, I mean, I live that when your doctors just like, grow whatever you need. And I remember years before I even ruptured my Achilles. I knew that I didn't know it was a problem. But I remember I gotten back from Costa Rica to have a girlfriend lived on there. And I went down to Costa Rica with my buddy mark. And we met these girls and the last night that we were leave our flight was at
like 5am. So like 2am We leave the club with these girls, and we go to a Denny's that was, you know, 10 minutes from the The San Jose airport. And we all got our different meals grossed drops off heat, my boy, Mark lived in Cleveland and a layover in Houston. I went back to Miami where I was living at the time. And my boys, dad called me. And he goes, Are you okay? And I was like, Yeah, I'm fine. Mark had
crazy food poisoning. And then a couple of days later, I had insane food poisoning, and the girls ended up having to, to some at the Denny's. That's not the big deal. The thing is, my stomach was in such bad shape, I had to go to the hospital as well. But I just went to urgent care, not urgent care to, to the ER where they just separate you by a sheet. And I just could hear the there was a married couple, talking to the doctor, and the guy like you have to understand these conversations.
Were not happening in my world. So I didn't even really understand what I was hearing. But the husband just goes, I don't know what you're giving her but look at her. It's killing her and and the doctor goes, Okay, well, yeah, well, I'll just have my, my nurse write another prescription for that. And he goes, You don't understand. That's why we're here. You're killing her. And I was like, remember, hear it, but I had no context. For this
situation. You know, this is three, three or four years before I would ruptured my Achilles tendon. But I didn't know that this had me going on for so many years. And even once I started getting the pills living in Florida, where, you know, they were sending fans of people down to fill prescriptions and go back to their native states. I still didn't know what was going on. So I say all that to say, I'm not a believer in the government. I just I believe that the government is your
friend. Yes, but they are busy both. So I don't trust either one of them. No, as you shouldn't, and not your dad. You know, anybody. It'd be nice. But, you know, I just don't maybe I just don't have that kind of trust in my heart. So the only the only trust I did have in my heart is I was like, government's trying to get back out there and working. You think the government likes cutting checks? So a bunch of people are sitting at home watching the prices? Right? I don't think so.
Like they want to get you back out there. And we're just getting
they weren't they getting money from the government, like you said, so that they're just trying to push this thing because they're in bed with the pharmaceutical company. I mean, there's so much corruption. With all this. I don't I don't try and then I don't know if you watch the Republican debates last night, but oh, my god, that was such a shit show. I'm like, we just have no leadership. And the people in Congress are like, I mean, it's like a nursing home
out there. Like you got these people in wheelchairs that are walking in like, I mean, it's just a joke. I just can't imagine. Like, what is China think of America right now. Like, I mean, we must be the laughingstock.
I mean, it's it is the argument for a dictatorship in that you can move in one direction. Every four years, we kind of pulled the emergency braking going another direction of this necessarily good. But I also see the downfalls of dictatorship, very few people can handle absolute power. And I think if you look in the annals of history, almost nobody has.
When you look at a country like ours, we have people our age, and you have young people that want to see change, but not enough young people to really rally to, to become a voting base that's dependable. The voting pay basis dependable is old folks. And old folks tend to be more conservative and more apt to fall for fear mongering.
And so if you tell them that, you know, Hispanics are coming to sex traffic, your granddaughter, they're going to believe that, quite frankly, everybody is coming for your daughter. And quite frankly, drugs are everywhere for your son to take a college quite frankly, colleges are dens of rape and sexual molestation that it's everywhere you go. There's a nefarious element, what you have to understand is like when you go out into the world, understand who you are and what
you're up against. And not everybody that's smiling and wants to take a picture with you or wants you to come to their campus or wants you to join their team and sell this product has your best interest in mind, I think you need to tread lightly whenever somebody is telling you to take something whenever somebody is telling you to do something. Now, as it comes to vaccines. Vaccines allow us to interact with each
other. There's a reason that asked anybody that went through the polio epidemic what that was about or has had rubella or mumps or measles. These are the kinds of things that kill people, you know, and the idea of being wary of vaccines is okay. But the what life was like
before them was much worse. And I think everything's not going to be perfect, but for the greater good and for society just of our own are three and then what 20 million people there has to be some type of the at least public trust so that they are going to make sure we're healthy enough to continue to generate wealth, it would make no sense for them to have 120 million citizens that are unable to work, like the state cannot support that. They probably could, they just
wouldn't. So I just felt like they wanted to get back back to work. But don't
they also think of it in the same way the pharmaceutical companies think of it, it's a numbers game, hey, we can make this drug. And this is going to make so many, much more people healthy. And you know, we might kill like, 1% of the people that take it. But you know, look how much money we can make. By doing that, like, then we pay off these lawsuits will have 100 billion in lawsuits, we'll still make 200 billion. So I guess we could kill a couple
of 100 million people. I mean, there's, there's weird, like people that think like that. It's really up to me,
I was talking to my co host, Jeff about this today. Chuck Washington, today's episode. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it was off air, we were in between commercial breaks. And I was like, That's why you'll never be a billionaire. Jeff. That's why I'll never be a billionaire. Because you can't make decisions like the one you just laid out. And the only difference between a pharmaceutical company and the state is the pharmaceutical company doesn't have to take care of your three kids that are
now left with no parents. The state does. That's true. They the state has to have state run rehab facilities in state deal with domestic violence and in
the state and the government don't feel like they kind of want everyone dependent on them. They like that power, like they want to control. They want everybody dependent on them. Like they don't want anybody else. You don't want you to be independent. They want you to be dependent on them. So you'll vote for him.
Well, yeah, so no, I mean, if you look at what has been allowed to go on, in our financial district, where people have been able to make I mean, Bernie Madoff got his first inquiry about the Ponzi scheme, he was running in 1992. And that was allowed to continue on until when did he go down? 2015
Oh, I know, my financial advisor, and he told me, he goes, there's no fucking way that that guy made the returns that he was promised whatever it was 25% He's like, there's no way you know, you knew he was crooked. And my dad's not on the NASDAQ, where he's just a regular financial advisor. So if he knew that, how did these other people not know that?
That's because he was making money for a lot of people and they don't care. And that's, that's my point about the state. The state doesn't. I mean, if the state wanted people financially, you know, beholden to them, they would have shut somebody like Bernie Madoff down. What if you are as a state? No, somebody's crooked. Why would you want that crooked person to have, you know, $16 billion, they the state kind of let you run wild for a long
time. If you look at all the every documentary that we see whether it's that, you know, there was that leggings company that was an MLM, or any of the MLMs that have been able to run wild. You know, Amway has a as an arena. You know, Betsy DeVos was our Secretary of Education. She is from the Amway dynasty, if you make money, you can do whatever you want. And the state doesn't mind you having money.
The state, having you as a dependent means that they have to pay for your kids lunch means that they have to pay when that kid that had no parents hits juvie for the first time, at 11 years old, and stays in and out of the system. You know, until they're 52 years old, the state doesn't win anything with that the state is fine. With, you know, you going into a neighborhood that's been full of proud Italians on this side of town and just knocking down and making a mall as long as you can
pay taxes on it. There's no loyalty to anything but the bottom dollar because everybody that's in this business and the business is being a United States citizen is in it to make money to capitalize on the person in front of you. So if that means that we need to turn the other cheek as the pharmaceutical industry in the Sackler family, stack billions of dollars before we kind of try and throw a band aid over a problem that is now a gaping
gushing wound. Okay. But I mean, I didn't see any of them go to jail. There's no there's no penalty for making a ton of money, even for nefarious reasons. I don't I mean, if you look at a lot of the people in our Congress that were like, selling stocks during COVID, you know, getting the jump on things and selling things off when they knew things were about to shut down. I mean, that they didn't go to jail. Yeah, better is really no punishment for being a
disgusting human being. And I think that's the saddest indictment of this country.
That's the show Not that I wish we would call out more as just a society. I mean, we call out racism a lot, which is great. I think that is great. But why don't we call out like you said, being a disgusting human being and money hungry. And I'm not saying they can try to make these laws, but the rich people always find a way to loop pull the money out of it. Why don't we just call that shit out? I mean, that's why I kind
of liked it. When Oprah on the rocks at all we want you guys to donate our money to and people just said, Fuck you. You're asking us for money? Like I mean, I kind of liked that personally, like, I know, their heart was hopefully in the right place. But I mean, it was it was interesting to see people kind of stand up to that.
Yeah, it was just the only thing that disappointed me about that is that Oprah and the rock for whatever reason they did that there used to be a period of time you think about some going back as far as like Farm Aid, where Bruce Springsteen, do you know, they raise money for different causes that they felt were? were worth it? The interesting thing is, a lot of times when there is I mean, I think between the two of them Oprah in the rack donated $10 million to the rebuild Maui
fund. But I'm like, Why? Why is there no public outcry for venture capitalists to pay in? For people that made their sums of money? It's just, I think the money that people see that angers them is the money that you can see, you see, somebody's like, oh, some YouTuber made $90 million. I hate them. But it's like the people that make the real money the people whose yacht casts a shadow on the right. You don't know their name? Oh, Blackrock guy. You
know that? Yeah. Yeah. They're the guys they hang out with. They get Yeah, the guys that are buying Supreme Court justices there is a host here's a scare me. Yeah, I mean, it that's real power. And the, you know, the idea. That's why
I think I need to quit podcasting and get into like some sort of corporation business, finance and make money because then
you don't, you don't have the heart to do that. And neither do the things that you have to do. For on, the things you have to do to acquire ungodly wealth are ungodly things. And you and I
clean way to make it not like Oprah made it clean. You think she did some ungodly things?
I think that that was probably a different time, Justin, that I think that like going back to Joe Rogan, he made enough money from being a probably the fifth male lead on a fairly successful show, News Radio, successful television show, and so on right in the 90s. But that was back when you could make syndication money and you were good. There were ways to make money in certain
pockets. But now as we just are kind of hopefully coming off the heels of an actor strike that people you see on television aren't making that much money. There's because of the way that this whole thing is structured. You see the same thing with the GM strike. They when you have the corporations that are no longer beholden to the people working for them, whether they be actors or auto workers, and they're beholden to the stock
holders? Well, they are going to make sure that the stockholders are taken care of and that stock all those are going to be like you know what, Chuck, you've been such a good CEO of this company once you set your own price for what you deserve to be paid. And you're gonna say I think I deserve a $40 million increase and they say so do we. And when your workers go, Hey, where's our money? I can't put it they're like, Hey, what are
you going to do? There's a reason that Amazon workers went oh, we're gonna go strike UPS workers are going to go on strike auto workers are going to go on strike. Actors are going to go on strike football players baseball players do lockouts. It's because the corporate greed it's it's it's almost like in a weird, gross analogy. It's like a zit. It just builds up until it's unsustainable. Right? And
yeah, now but we outnumber them right. And this is a bad example because it's a stupid reason. But like, when they start boycotting things like the bud light thing, which is stupid, silly. But instead of when What if instead of boycotting a company because some they don't like the transgender spokesmodel What if we boycott a company? Because you know what? You guys are fucking greedy assholes. You treat your employees like shit. You know your product killed kids or whatever. We're gonna
boycott your fucking company. We would put these some of these places out of business.
And who would replace them Chuck? A new, younger, more
top Amazon. I don't. Yeah, there's Amazon or the mom and pop pharmaceutical company. Do you remember when you're old enough? You remember this? Like, when I was a kid? There was like Mom and Pop banks, which is crazy to think of now because they've changed the regulations and stuff and you know who did this was the
Big banks. And they said, Oh, no way to be a bank, you got to do this, this, this and this, you got to have like 20, a team of 80 lawyers to write all the regulations and things be and so they put Mom and Pop banks out of business. There is no mom and pop banks anymore. And it's happening now with everything with restaurants. And like drugstores, remember, like Mom and Pop drugstores now.
Now when you see those, you're like, what's going on in here? Yeah, like when you see a place that just says pharmacy, it's like, real pharmacy. Like, why is that?
It's just like a miracle. It's just like, they sold like street drugs like, what is this drugstore? Like, what is this?
Yeah, there used to be people in your community that were real people that you would go out and you talk to, and we, as a collective, it's not all our fault. But this is part of the Walmart ification of America, where, you know, you kind of want all your things under one roof. But I'm not about to sit up here and dump on the average American citizen. But it because it's our society set up where there's no longer a way, really for less than a one less than a two person income.
Usually, it's two people plus two side hustles, or maybe two people plus three side houses. But yeah, my wife drives Uber. I do taxes in the offseason. And you know, my wife owns a, you know, she does calligraphy for weddings or whatever, everybody's got everybody is
working so much. It's sad, it's sad that your kids you have to go to Walmart, because you got one hour to get your daughter eyeglasses to get your son's teeth looked at to get your tires rotated, and to get some milk and some goddamn cereal. And there used to be a time where you just be like, Saturday's the day my family shops and we walk up and down the street or a you know,
interact with human beings. And go see talk to the person that worked at the plant store hated those orchids come in, don't take that one that one's not doing well. Wait till the next like you would know things. But because we're so busy. Now all our stuff is that dropped off on a box in a box, including our fucking food. And it's in front of your door, you take it inside
like a squirrel. And you you build your dinner, you build your own home, home monitor TV stand, you do everything by yourself, you're enclosed in your walls, and then you log on to the internet. And you vent. But I think the narrative of Mexico sending us are They're rapists or the this about this group of people or trans people are coming to get your kids.
There was less of that, because you sit across the table from a Hispanic woman, if you worked at GM, every day in the cafeteria, and you'd be like, I know, our kids are fine. You would know people that didn't look like you would have a common goal and lived in your community. And now you work from home, you get your food sent to your home, you even get your freaking dates sent to your home with Tinder and Uber. So you don't interact anymore.
So the world now is viewed through the lens of your phone or your iPad. And the only thing you're gonna see on there are the things that trend because they're really good or really bad. So you're going to see really good bodies, and really bad people, you're going to watch murder podcasts, and you're going to look at ways to contour your cheekbone, on YouTube. And you're going to never talk to somebody that
looks different from you. You're never going to see how a conservative person could come to the conclusions they've come to because you live in your Echo system. And everything that you want to do is right. And the people on the other side just want to see the sheer destruction of this country. It's in a simple, easy, digestible narrative. It doesn't challenge you to think it doesn't challenge a new your ideologies. And that's right on time for a lot of people.
Now that's spot on. Yeah, I think there's just like a lot of it just seems like our country is just in such a downward spiral. I would love to see that's our watch the debates last night, I was like, Okay, maybe somebody is going to stand out and step up and be the leader this country needs. That's the you know, the whole thing was like, Oh, we're gonna bring this country together. I haven't seen any of that. I feel like we're just further divided and people are stressed out and
who's going to lead at 2% Jump. Leaders don't lead if they don't get elected. And, and and think of
RFK Jr. By the way, I was curious, because he's a guy he's not and they say he's anti vaccine, but if you listen to him, his whole thing, he says, No, I'm actually pro vaccine. I just think vaccines need to be done better. I'm on for higher standards of vaccine, which I think is great. He seems like he really cares about people. And he seems genuine. I don't know. Maybe he's full of shit. Maybe I'm falling for it. but
you can be genuinely foolish shit. And that's okay, too. Oh, I think he's good. Yeah, I've heard I've heard a lot of the things that he said the issue is in is this kind of gets back to a bigger point. I haven't seen what he's done. I've seen that he leans into that last name, but you know, RFK, Jr. If you didn't have that last name, Chuck. I sure as fuck wouldn't.
Because I knew Secretary of State and like you said all these obscure politician things that I never would have known. Five years ago, I didn't know that the Secretary of State of Arizona was now I know who it is, and know, the governor and all these, all these different people that I didn't even think I knew the name of my Governor growing up in Washington. I
absolutely did. It was shit. Yeah, unless, you know, sometimes their names are on the gas pump. But it'd be like the comptroller. And I'd be like, what is that? You know, I wouldn't even know what these things were, I still don't know
what a comptroller does. But you know, as far as RFK, Jr, I, you know, I kind of like to see people that have worked in the industry that they have a lot of opinions about, because it's clearly something he's passionate about, I was passionate about the sciences, I dedicated roughly 10 years of my life to it, not including teaching middle middle school science, having a bunch of theories on things. And being able to do those things, is are
two different things. Because how can I correct you on an issue? That, you know, you don't understand the interest of kids sees up? Like, I wonder if I asked him to draw cell? If I asked him to tell me baseline stuff, what are the essential amino acids? Can you roll through most of the periodic table and give me understand elements stuff
is more he isn't even a lawyer. So his stuff is like more like fighting these companies and challenging them and raising the standards and higher and more rugged. So that's the thing is like, Oh, the country is I feel like it's so backwards. You know, we have all these, like you said, these loose regulations in the financial financial industry.
And are sorry, yeah. And then like we have, we don't have we need stricter regulations in the financial industry and the Food and Drug Administration, because I feel like those things are just, it's kind of like this free for all. And it's like the Food and Drug especially I feel like that's something that needs to be heavily regulated, so that we don't have to worry about I go to the grocery store and buy my food, and medicines, and I don't need to be worried that it might kill me.
Yeah, well, that's going to cut into the money, Chuck. You know, unfortunately, I mean, I wish we were living under your administration. I wish that we had people that ran these companies that didn't do math problems, like our baby formula is going to have a certain amount of rat poop in it. Some shattered glass, maybe a couple fingertips mix mixed in there, but overall, will this
matter? People will die this but you know, if we substitute this organic nutrient for this fake chemical, kids will have a better reaction to it. But overall, we'll be able to say they're looking at math. Yeah. They're not looking at just the number to them. Right. It's just a number and it's, you know, it's the present doing business. Yeah.
And then what really pisses me off is when they do these commercials and things and you know, they throw it's just like your axe with the hole. All Black Lives Matter. We care. Oh, really? The NFL you care about? Okay. How much money do you make? How many billions? How much did you give to communities?
Right? How long how long money? concussions? Yeah, absolutely knew what's happening. How many players? Did you pump up with? toradol. So they could go out there and play with a torn pectoral muscle. The thing is, is that money always wins. And we can talk about the NFL, we can talk about pharmaceuticals, but same thing. There are going to be people that are like, look, all these people I you think that was built that stadium out there with a big red bucket from March
of Dimes? No, they built that from people going in there to watch Emmitt Smith and Troy Aikman. So when Emmitt Smith says, Hey, I can't live my right arm, they're like goes to the doctor. And now here he goes. But the problem is they don't have to see Emmett or player X or player y 1015 years later, when they can't remember how to get home when their wife has to wipe their rear end. And they're 39 years old. The the fallout comes later, but what comes now
is I line my pockets. If we got to pay out a couple of people at the end or a couple of vehicles, I have to stand in front of a podium and become you know, the donkey of the day for okay. You want to see my yacht
that's sad. It's It's so weird how we kind of just accept it to like we're just we're Just like Oh, well that's just the way it is like but if people stood up and got together, we outnumber the yachts. You know, there's more people with a drive in Winnebago or Hugo's or whatever whatever shitty car GL metros or whatever, whatever city car is that I can't think of. There's more people like that that are that are that are having the giant yachts that overshadow the smaller yachts.
Yeah. So we the people, so Okay, so let's, let's play that out. So we the people, so the 320 million are going to rise up against the 70,000 that have 5 million plus in the bank. Okay, well, we are going to have to elect some leaders. Okay, so we elect out of that 320 million 1000 leaders that are going to speak for the people. Yeah, okay. Well chuck it out, we're gonna go speak to them. And they go, we walk into their mansion. And we go, we're here for the people. And they go Hold on one
second Chuck. And two of the hottest women we've ever seen, come and take our coats, and they sit us down, and the women sit next to us. Get us some scotch. And they go, here's a check. With your names on it. You go ahead and fill that out. And then remember what you came in here to talk to us about. And you and I will look at. And then when you're done with the check, the two ladies needed see you guys upstairs in the adjoining
bedrooms. And we come out three days later, wearing white fur coats going when we talk to him. It's good. They're actually not bad.
No, you're telling the story of the Sackler thing, was it? Exactly. He went up there. And he was yes.
Yeah, I haven't even seen that. But it's like that's how it works. You can all
the there's like multiple shows on reason one. Yeah. There was Hank killer. Yeah, it was that one? Yeah. It was so funny. The guy comes up, they had to convince him to like this, this one guy, which is insane. The one guy was able to like, basically approve the drug. And all they had to do was convince him and yeah, I think they use those techniques that work. Especially I
know why? Because they work. Yeah. You know, what do you think the mafia does when they need you to do something? Right? They don't put a gun to your head first. They give you a lot of drugs and some booze and a couple checks. And they say, Hey, Chuck, we need a favor now. And you know what? We're not friends. Now. We're not like friends. It'd be nice Pong.
Yeah, I mean, I don't even think we need the people with the yachts and stuff, I think, I think we could do a lot on our own. Helping take care of each other, which that's I will say with the Maui thing. Like, hopefully people were able to give to that. And I guess, you know, we got to take care of our own people, because the people with the yachts and the giant mansions in Maui didn't step up to the plate, which is sad. But unfortunately, I guess that's the way it goes sometimes. Yeah. And
that's where the government is supposed to come in, that the government didn't seem like the alarms going off. Now, granted, it's an island and things run a little bit differently on islands. I spend a lot of time on islands I used to work for Carnival Cruise Lines I've been. I've been all of them. and Ireland time is a real thing. I know people are like, what about the emergency broadcast? They don't. It's a different world and I know your
American city. Thoughts on the issue, but in terms of culturally like that's not top of mind, it's a different lifestyle and is positive and negative. I'm not saying I'm not making an excuse. I'm just saying I didn't find it shocking that you know, the the emergency broadcast system was working in Maui. We can leave it
really so do you think do you buy into any of the conspiracies with Maui that some of this was either if it wasn't on purpose, that people were going to swipe in and and use this to take advantage of taking the land and rebuilding it for themselves or selling it? But you
can just go do that the people that want things and have the means just take it they don't need conspiracy theories. And I think that that's where we as the as the people fall short and underestimate, I want to say our enemies but are others, you know, as the Maori down to lose track? Oh, yeah. Yeah. You know, there is it conspiracy theories are interesting. They're fun. And
but I see this again, it goes back to I don't know, it's like the vaccine. I don't say yes. 100% this way or that? I just go this is interesting. I don't know. That's what makes him so fun. I'm pretty sure it's there's
not Yeah, probably not what the flat earth but you know, conspiracy theories. They're fun. But whenever something is uncovered that the government has been doing, it's pretty simple. The pharmaceutical pharmaceutical companies weren't like, doing anything like that. That was covert. They were giving away drugs for nothing for a long time. Anybody even somebody that didn't know what was going on. It was so obvious it was going on to just have Look citizen, I was like something's going on
over there. They weren't doing it under with some weird undercover Greenbrae network. They were just giving drugs to people and be making them heroin addicts when, whenever, you know,
there was no transparency there was no like this might get you addicted, they flat out lied and see that's the thing with anything, anything in the pharmaceutical company because to be fair, there are some drugs that save lives. And cynical companies do do some good. But and that's the thing with the Food and Drug Administration, there's, we need transparency and visibility so that we can access assess the risk ourselves, like, I think should be like maybe like a one
to 99 scale like an apple. Okay, you got pretty low risk unless you're allergic to apples, but you know, a pharmaceutical drug, okay, this is going to be more risk. And like there was just none of that they flat out lie. Oh, no, it's not addictive, like such bullshit.
I mean, it's, it's awful. But when you have the financial aspect that just represents so much money, who's going to be transparent, because whoever you bring to the table to bring to be to bring transparency, they're going to either get rid of that person, they'll kill your credibility, or they'll try and pay you off one of the two. But there's very few people that are like, I am an absolute what maybe since like Ralph Nader, were like, I am a whistleblower for the
little guy. Other than that, it's
kind of where RFK lies a little bit.
Yes, but in terms of like, leadership, but Ralph Nader was was more also talking about, you know, consumer goods and like, what's a rip off and what's like RFK. My issue is, if you are not a physician with some type of married name, and physician, excuse me, like a researcher, somebody that's like, I've dedicated my life to this, I've been to symposiums, I've been the lead speaker, like somebody that is looked at, as a voice in this area, I really
have trouble. Because I don't, there's not any part of me that believes that RFK thinks that he's doing harm. But there are people who don't vaccinate their children and send them to school. That, you know, depending on what your religion is, don't allow for your kids to get blood transfusions or whatever you believe in your heart will make them a better person, we'll make sure that they go to heaven will make sure that they're going to be this or that. And you can end up killing
yourself or others. And again, now that circles back to the state, because now the state has to raise your kid. Now the state has because of the decisions you made. It's not again, that the state cares if you wear a seatbelt or not. Or if you wear a motorcycle helmet or not. The reason those laws came into be is because dad was getting out on his on his Harley on the weekends, killing himself. And now we have to we as the taxpayers have to share that
burden. Unfortunately, it's not an empathic or a loving way in which we take care of our citizens. It's considered burdensome, and it affects the bottom line. And the bottom line is what gets people elected and non elected everybody runs on the economy. So if you're whether you're the mayor or the president, you have to tell people look under under my administration, I got so many people back to work. That's how you get paid. It's like, hey,
whoever wants to get back to work, because that is a big issue. I mean, just with all the people on the fentanyl on the streets. I'm like, This is wrong. I mean, this is just morally, and that's another thing where nobody's stepping up. And we're all and I think there's gonna be a documentary on that Sunday that, hey, we all just walked over these homeless people that are addicted to fentanyl or Trank is
the new one. Have you seen that one where they just like zombies, they just stand on the street and they just their heads are down. They just rocked back and forth. I mean, it's the weirdest frickin. We're living like an apocalyptic movie right now it feels like,
well, it's a movie that we wrote the script for Chuck, because don't don't forget, like we were alive during, you know, 911 and Desert Storm and, you know, everybody and every bar that I was at, was, Let's bomb them. And, you know, we, late night hosts were making jokes about we invaded the wrong country. I'd hate to see George Bush Jr. Mother in Law joke, whatever the hell. And we got ourselves ensnared in the
Middle East for 20 years. Well, we sent a bunch of we talked a bunch of shit over here, and then we sent somebody else's kid over there. They came back, fucked up as expected. And we gave them a Bud Light in a salute, had a jet fly over at a baseball game and said good luck to you. Is a 20 year old kids, it's all their friends murdered in mass that saw and had to kill people that probably were not a
threat to them. But they couldn't make that call, the things that we've, that we asked people to do for frivolous reasons. We don't understand the fallout from that. So because we were reactionary after 911, instead of figuring out who the the true perpetrators of that crime was, we just went after the first Middle Eastern country, the same strategically
convenient for us. We then it first, it was like Desert Storm, then it was desert freedom, then we're going to bring them back democracy to Iraq and Afghanistan is going to be this. After 20 years, we left and two weeks later, the country was right back to where it was. So what do we have to now deal with that we have to deal with all these people that are coming home from their third and fourth tour?
And we know they aren't made? Because we spent it all in Iraq?
Right. Yeah, so like, so now we're like, well, we're all these addicts coming from addicts, or are people that have a lot of times dealt with so much that they're, in order to keep their central nervous system from snapping, they numb the pain. We see this no different than people that were molested. People that have undergone incredible trauma, they people are going to your body's natural reaction to protect itself is to numb itself. And so when you go, how is that woman 500 pounds in an
alcoholic? I guarantee there was some molestation back there, if you look further and further, far enough in their path. So when we look at these drug addicts, and we go, how are all these drug addicts on the
street? I think I please look this that up, but it is least one in three, it might be wanting to homeless people that you see on the street, are former military, because the demons that these people are dealing with somebody that had a father that dealt with the VA, there's not enough nothing over
there. And so you have people that are calling out for help, that are saying the drugs you're giving me or making me worse, the husband that returned to me, the wife that returned to me, are they're not the same person. They're violent, they're paranoid. They are all of the above. And the government says, we'll see him in nine and a half months, maybe. And if somebody doesn't have the support system of a husband or wife or family to come back to, you see them on
the street. And that's why there's been this explosion, I can only I'm here in Denver, where it's whole blocks of tent cities. I mean, there's a reason that all these homeless people came to be. And it's rarely because people are just really apt to get out of their home and into the, the freedom and the lifestyle that comes along with being homeless, it's a lot of times, it's people that have been through a great amount of trauma, that have to resort to such means, and have no support
system. And that support system has been taken away through, you know, just giving people basically shitty food for the last 3040 years, to gutting public education, you know, allowing prescription drugs to take over the crack epidemic, which threw a generation of black and brown men in jail destabilizing the home. And we say, well, why are these kids acting up? They're acting like they don't want to go to school. It's because the system has
abandoned them in every way. And when you don't feel attached to anything when you don't feel attached to this country that says that you can be all of these things, but your life is so cluttered with chaos you can't see through.
Oh, we're back. Yes. Taking so much of your time, but
thank you notes that this is awesome. Awesome. Yeah,
thank all the world's problems. I feel like kind of it. Yeah. Shining a light on some things.
Honestly, man, I feel like conversation is is the genesis to everything. And that's why it's it. I know, it might seem antithetical to what I've been saying with the internet, because it's like, well, doesn't the internet calls conversation? Well, yes, between like minded people. I think the issue is like you never interact with anybody that disagrees with you extremely or even slightly, because you just say that
they're hater. They're anti patriotic, they're racist, they're misogynist, all these words that they might be. But they might just also be somebody that has a different opinion than you.
Right? And even if it is, if they are those things, don't you want to understand why they are those things and why they believe those things cuz maybe there's a reason that just like the guy on the street, that's homeless, you know, he saw some shit in Iraq. And I mean, because you think like, there's not a good reason to do fentanyl. Well, if you're that fucked up, I mean, maybe that's all you felt like. That's all there was. But yeah, I wanted to
tell you. Before we got off that I did Google the statistic it said, it's I think it's about 10%, one in 10. Which one is way higher than I ever thought? And then it says also, again, this is the internet, so it must be true. 50%, you're 50% more likely to become homeless? For veterans? Yes. Maybe
that's something that I was. Yeah, it's I mean, that's crazy. That's 50% More is an incredibly sobering statistic. And it's like, if there was any activity, that somebody that you loved was lined up to do. And you knew that that was the standard, you said, you know, you're going to do this thing. You're going to go in on this weird home mortgage thing. And either you're going to be best case scenario, you'll be fine. Worst case scenario, you'll be 50 There's a 50% chance that you'll
be living on the streets. Would you let somebody that you loved take that risk?
And yeah, but I also think that in the veterans, or the military establishments, defense, I think for some people, the military saves their lives, like it, these are people that totally end up on the street, and then they go in the military. But then the problem is, it's just when your service is up, they're like, alright, well have a nice life. And it's like, right, you've been telling this person what to do, what time to wake up, what to wear, what to eat, and you had made
all the decisions for them. And now you're just same with the prison system, same thing. And now we just say, all right, you're on your own. Like, that's not a good it's not a good system. We
marveled at the recidivism rate. And we're like, can you believe they're back in here again? Yeah, well, if you have to mark two time felon on your, on your job application, getting turned down at Wendy's, and one of your friends is like, do you want to make 10 grand in 10 minutes? What's your answer gonna be? You know, it's
you. Yeah. And that's what then people seemingly, you know, they get mad about that thing. And then But then it's like, well, you hiring any former felons, like, Would you hire a former felon? Like, how do you help these people get back on their feet, because, again, it's the guy with the yard is not coming to save him. So we have to do it as citizens, small business owners, mom and pop business owners and things like that are going to probably have to pick these people up.
Right. And that would be greatly facilitated. If you there were some incentives in there for companies to do that. If there was some protections like hey, if you're hiring, you know, this non violent offender, here's a couple tax breaks, here's a, here's what happens. If they work for you for more than two years. Here's what we'll do to make sure that they are supported to make sure that you feel safe and and all these things. And, and I wanted to clarify, I
hate that we have to do that. But you're probably right. It just sucks that we're there's just not this mentality of like, you know, like, I want to help you like I guess I just because I have that mentality, like I want to help people. I'm trying to, as we take a little break or whatever I'm thinking, you know, there's a comedian in, in Arizona, and he was asking me about gas and I told him to hit you up. I was like, I'm done thinking this can help you and him. And I'm always trying to
think how do I help people? It's a weird that more people don't have that mentality?
Well, I mean, it's, I think a lot of people their default setting is how do I help myself and also make myself feel good in the way that like, No, I'm helping them to but I mean, it's okay to be selfish. Everybody's a little bit selfish. Yeah, that's it that's totally okay. But a citizenry that that prompts each other up. It's hard to imagine under a system that asks you to capitalize on your citizens. That's why when you have Mom and Pop anything's dry cleaners,
whatever. They are not going to do as well as a corporation that can out advertise them by 100 fold that can undersell them by tenfold and has brand recognition in which the customer says you know, when I go places, you know, there's a little cachet to, you know, shopping here rather than there. There's a little cachet to walking out of a high end store as opposed to you know, a mom
and pop secondhand shop. You know, ironically, vintage styles are and so you know, Goodwill's in everything are flooded with suburban teenage girls, paying 60 bucks for jeans that somebody wore in the 1970s but until you make it fashionable or are advantageous for the buyer to buy local to support their neighborhood. There is no
incentive to. And it's a conundrum that we have seen since the mass marketing, since malls blur have proliferated, since big box stores proliferated, since, you know, economic growth has kind of stagnated. For the middle and even working middle class. There's, there's not a lot of incentive. And there's also not a lot of resources to support local to buy organic to go to a farmers market on Saturday, some people don't have time on a Saturday morning to go shop at a
farmers market. That's a luxury buying organic food, go go go to Whole Foods, you look around in there, and you're like, see, all these people are in shape. And you know, is a 53 year old woman in front of you and her back is just ripped with muscle. It's because she eats great food. And she goes to good trainers and has been taught to care about her health. It's not that the person and line at you know, a local kind of lower end grocery store doesn't care as much about
themselves. It's just that they can, if you can get too hot and ready pizzas for 10 bucks, or one sack of organic grapes, you got three kids at home? What decision are you going to make are just our our hands are forced in a lot of ways that we don't see. And instead of looking up, we tend to look to the people on our left and our right. And we say, Well, how could you be poor? You're fat? You know, if you really, you would do it, but people don't have time.
Probably saw it when you worked in the schools because I was in the schools for 17 years. So I saw every I mean, it was really good experience for me to see America and see, you know, I mean, I also had kids who'd come in with very wealthy parents and everything was doing, you know, going great. But as a counselor, it was like I mostly saw the families that were not doing well. And it is sad. Yeah, they're just trying to put food
on the table. So yeah, the kids failing every class because that's not a priority.
Yeah, you want to do your homework and you want to eat. And that's the decision that, unfortunately, a lot of families have to make and education and financial literacy and financial affluence tend to go hand in hand. So if you come from a family that didn't have much, no one could tell you about like, hey, you need to understand what stocks and bonds are and understand that you need to start building your money mutual. Counting out people don't know what that means.
Whereas other people are like, well, that's been set up for me when not since I was two. But those people are the same age and maybe the same race, but are are they the same person? Are their prospects for future the same? No. And it's it I think that's where a lot of the anger in this country comes from is people tell you go to college, get ahead. You get out of college, you have incredible debt, life altering debt that's accruing every year, every month, nobody's coming to help
nobody's coming to hire. The job that you went into college for is probably a fucking app now. And what do you do? Then you look around, you're 33. And there's an anger there. Because you're like, I did what everybody told me to do. I waited to have kids, I tried to buy a house. But then the housing crisis happened. And we call it a crisis like it was a tornado. It was a plan thing in which nobody went to jail. Americans lost their homes, our economy was destabilized for a
decade. And in that destabilize stabilization. It allowed all these large conglomerates to go and buy up chunks of real estate, and swell the price of real estate to the point where, Chuck, I'm 46. And this is the only time in my life where somebody said, Oh, I'm buying a new house. I don't say where you ask how did you do that? Yeah. Because now when people are buying houses, you better be a cash buyer doc. And you better
be a cash buyer. That's ready to compete with somebody that's coming in with cash plus 20% plus willing to waive the, the inspection?
Well, because there's all these corporations are buying houses and renting them out. So that's really scary. Because if you want to own a house, like you're basically not going to be able to which is really scary to think about that. I think I saw some of this statistic that said by the year I don't know what it was 2040 or 2050 40% of all homes will be owned by corporations. That's really how is that not? I don't know what like what Sherman trust or monopoly or what law that is
that not breaking? I guess not. I don't know.
It's not a law if you don't enforce it. Brah and who's going to enforce it? Because you know what? The first person that goes, hey, we'd like to talk to you You buy these homes and they'll be like, Hey, why don't you come in here? These two ladies are going to sit next to you and get you some scotch. You'll be in the chuck and owl sweet. Yeah, anybody that tries to step up just gets bought because everything can be bought remember the Million Dollar Man, WWE.
Everybody's guy, there's a big wrestling.
Well, he used to have a catchphrase Everybody's got a price. And you know it. Sadly. The people that don't the people that do try and walk through this world, some integrity, that don't accept the bribes. You just trashed their reputation? Because you have the means to if I have a corporation and Chuck Sheltie, who, what are you? Mayor? Let's say let's say let's say you're let's say let's say we've in your in the House of Representatives, good for you. Okay, you want to stand up
against us? Okay, well, let's see, you got a daughter here. She has a videotape, we have a we might want to disseminate you might not want to see it. But we could put that out. We could trash your reputation. We could say we could take some you said out of context and put it all over the internet. And people think this way about you whether it's true or not. We can do we see your wife works for the government, she can lose that job after 22 years, you want to do you want to play it this way?
Where do you want to take our briefcase and shut up? What do you want to do? And what are most people that are saying going to do? You standing in front of the fire is really great for a movie. But when it's not a movie, when it's your life, when they when you look in the eyes of true power. That see you as a tick on the back of a charging Rhino. It's very hard to try and impede and it makes you wonder what's the point?
Trying to be a whistleblower doesn't I mean, look at the people that tried to whistleblower at the White House. Those people are around 24 hour security for death threats. You know, there's there's not a lot of heroes that really get to see the efforts of their work rewarded in their lifetime. It's usually after which is, which is a hard thing for a lot of people to swallow. I don't know if I could.
Yeah, that's interesting. What do you think about that? Now? Is it Julian Assange? Is that his name? No. No, what's the Edward Snowden? Snowden? Yeah. Is that what do you think of him? Do you think he's a hero? And a whistleblower? Or a traitor? is like, I don't know enough about it to make a decision.
Yeah, I don't either. And I've dug into it in that movie. Yet. The thing that scares me more is, the more you dig into it, the more you don't know. But I think that's what makes it real, is that we have to watch a movie is like, let's look at something like the blind side. That was a movie that a lot of people gravitated towards. I never saw it or had never saw the blind side. No. But I mean, I think I could gather from the, you know, from
the trailer. But you know, it appears that whatever the truth is, it wasn't what was shown. But what was shown if it was true, made people feel good. And a lot of times what makes people feel good, isn't the absolute truth. Because there's nothing that's all good and all evil. Did Hugh Hefner do a lot in terms of pushing the ability for women to embrace their sexuality out there and for Americans in general to embrace and stop being so sex negative? Yes. That he Oh, was there also some real
foul stuff going on? That mentioned at the point where there's document 12 Do you know what you got to do to have a 12 part documentary? That's an hour long do you know how much shit you have to do? I don't even if they just follow it every day in my life. I don't know if I could fill 12 hours did you
watch that day? I
did. I did. We
did stuff before there was even like there must have been like at higher cameras at the time expensive because there was not a lot of not people don't have the you know, the ring doorbells and stuff back then. So that's pretty crazy.
Well, I mean, is it though, because if you think about Hugh Hefner, he never had to atone for all the dead playmates, the accusations of rape happening every other week, and it seemed and sometimes twice a week, and I can't imagine how many people Oh, deed over there. I can't imagine that everybody over there was over the age of 18. I can't imagine that. You know, and you kind of answered the question that we've
been dancing around. You know, when it comes to conspiracies people have about Jeffrey Epstein. And how was that able to continue and what happened with that? You answered it. Cameras, bro. They got everybody that you want to step up on camera, doing whatever they wanted to do and
control the cameras then the cameras suddenly stopped not functioning like Epstein are right? We don't know who brought the cocaine in the White House. There's no cameras there.
Yet when I got my car stolen from the Denver Airport, they were like, yeah, there's no cameras at the at the in the parking lot. I was like, Okay, done. All right. Well, you know, but ask you
about that. So that's in the special he talked about that. You said it was a Dodge Challenger. Yes. Year was it was it a new challenge is an old school challenger.
It was old school, but it was so pretty. I saw I found a founder in Texas. And, like, one of those autotrader magazines, and I was like, I can't believe it's real. So I called the dealership. Matter of fact, I was when I first started DBL because I didn't bring my car to Denver because my apartment was closed. And I was like, Oh, my name and your car, and then start getting cold. I was like, I need a car. And you know, I was looking around and I found the challenger. And I'd
never had a muscle car. You know, I was coming out. I think I just had a Subaru. Not Subaru, a Hyundai Sonata, which is a very like dad teacher car. I was like, oh my god damn talk show what it was. I want a fun car for the first time in my life. Yeah, I got the Challenger man. She was so beautiful. They brought her to the studio on one of those trucks. And I just couldn't believe it was my car. You know, just to excite those kind of cars. I would rent on the weekends when I was
performing. And I just I loved this car. She was a 2016.
Like, I thought I didn't know if it was like, I meant like 70s or like a more moderate because they Oh, yeah. Yeah, it depends on like, they were still able to steal it even though it was I thought that they had the technology since then. It was really hard to steal newer cars.
Well, yeah, I mean, apparently not. So many cars were stolen at the Denver Airport that the Nine News the channel, the NBC affiliate here in Denver that shares a building we share a building with them. They did a story about how many cars had been stolen from the Denver Airport. Because no cameras not Yeah, had that happen. When the guy told me that I was like, do I have I'm a fucking moron across my
forehead, everything. And that's what I talked about in the special is you realize that at first, yes, I'm a victim of a car theft. But also, everything is its own ecosystem. You just did its own financial ecosystem, you just don't know you and I didn't know anything about it until I was immersed in it. Because you think when your car stolen, the cops are gonna be like, your car is stolen, give me the plate number we're gonna we got two guys in the northeast area, they got them triangulated
it is smooth as jazz music. It's just the guy was like, Don't worry about it, man. Just call GEICO blah, blah, blah. I ended up talking to the tow truck driver. He said they stopped doing the cars that are illegally parked. And all they do is return stolen cars back to the owner. That's how many are
happening a day. The Body Shop is in on a bro, the the collision, the collision repair the the tow truck drivers, the insurance companies, the people that clean the inside of the car, because people are 1,000% stealing them to do method. All of this is all part of its own thing. And you realize that every avenue you've looked into the world of autographs, you know, we're like its own thing.
And there's a racket in there and you look at Girl Scout cookies that talked about that in my first and my in the album like where's the money? You don't pay your employees? You don't advertise? You don't have any buildings. You don't pay taxes. You don't pay health insurance. Where's the money? child slave labor? Absolutely. And because it's this weird thing where like, even if a girl knocked on your door during this podcast and was like, Hey, I'm a
six year old girl. I'm selling Oreos door to door USA weight right here about I called the police. Only Girl Scouts are the only thing where children are allowed to walk up to strangers and sell them things because little girls disarm everybody. And you're like sure plus the cookies are dope. So they have this racket where it's like, it's it's more than even having a hot shot girl at a bar. Because not everybody wants shots and people can only do so
many shots. But you got little girls going out selling it and their fucking parents at work who are a lot of times supervisors that are like hey, who signed up for these cookies? My daughter needs to win this year. What do you got to do? Chuck? Are you not gonna buy any extra person? Yeah, or your boss might be like, Okay, everybody bought boxes, but Chuck, okay. No, no, it's not a problem. That's cool, man.
I know you're the worst is like because you're right. The Girl Scout cookies are actually good versions. What's the is it the Boy Scouts or the Cubs scouts? They try to sell you this crappy popcorn.
Yeah, no. Popcorn Chuck, no one wants anything that little boys have touched. And, you know, there's a there's a documentary right now on a. Yeah, Scott house creepy. Ad 2000 lawsuits about molestation. The problem is we keep saying that the boy scouts had a
problem. What we're saying is that the sex ring that also took kids into the woods was discovered, the Boy Scouts are not there's nothing that 82,000 cases, those are just the ones we know, we don't know about the people that took their own lives to because of it, or became offenders are now in jail
because of it. So long history with addicted to fentanyl, because exactly so and Because don't forget, we're watching this as adults, when you're 12, especially back then when you're naive, and people didn't know the ways of the world, you might have had one or two adult figures that you looked up to. And if they do that to you, your understanding of the world is forever changed forever sullied. And the idea that 82,000 And
these are domestic bro. I mean, come what's going on in other parts of the world where there's similar organizations are like, we're going to go to Canada. It the, the the fact that this was allowed to go on for as long as it did is not my mistake, because, you know, when two live crew tried to put out an album, you know, with curse words in it in the early 90s. Does Supreme Court lockdown on that? I love to Live Crew. Yes, there was a
Supreme Court. That's why they had that song banned in the USA. Yeah. Yeah, they were trying to get them back. So so interesting, what we choose to focus on Jeffrey Epstein was doing this for years. Bernie Madoff has been doing this for you not years, decades, decades. So this has been allowed to go on. It was just only found out through the internet through you know, I mean, look, look at you.
We talked about painkiller and all the pharmaceutical documentaries that are on the our TVs as we sit here and speak. How many Jeffrey Epstein documentaries are there. There's one and it's four episodes. Is that the only interest people have? And Jeff, why is there just one Chuck? There's two on the fire festival. Why is there just one four part? Episode That's an hour long about Jeffrey Epstein that we're done with there's a
lot of tick tock and YouTube stuff about it. I can tell you if you want some podcast, you just Google type in Jeffrey Epstein. You can find a lot of information. I don't know. It's probably half. It's conspiracy bullshit. But it's interesting. Well,
I mean, it seems like Jeffrey I mean, Jeffrey was involved with the prince, one of the princes in England. That ain't hype. That was real. And US presidents to remember he was at he was at Hillary Clinton's daughter's wedding. He was in the social circles and you were talking about bringing everything full circle to back to the Playboy Mansion and why it's all the same thing under a
different name. Hugh Hefner was pumping out girls, Jeffrey Epstein was pumping out young girls, because that's what people in power one, Hugh Hefner had all those dudes out in Hollywood on tape. And Jeffrey Epstein had all those dudes on tape. And once it was clear, he couldn't get out because the first time he couldn't get a Jeffrey Epstein was allowed to leave jail. six out of seven days a week in return. He had to go there on the weekends look into it's fascinating. Like it
was it was open corruption. But he had everybody that you and I know that has a senator or a Secretary of State or president or mayor or police chief or CEO in front of their name on tape doing something they didn't want to be seen doing. And
that's the thing that can bring people together is blackmail.
Right? Blackmail works. And that's why anytime somebody is inviting you onto their compound and saying hey, go ahead and do this and smoke this and she wants that. Yeah, well just understand that you're starring in your own movie. So yeah, Lights Camera Action.
Yeah. What have you heard about all those kids disappearing in Ohio?
I just heard about that. I haven't read about I got back from work and hopped on boot with you. But you know, that's where I'm from. I'm from Northeast Ohio from Cleveland. So right yeah. Do you know creepy stuff it's look it's
ages and races. I mean, it's it's really bizarre. It's it's,
it's it's terrifying. And I think this is the story is oldest time. I just don't think it was as heavily investigated. I mean, there's a documentary called The Texas Killing Fields on Netflix and you know, there are people in the neighborhood were saying like our girls are destroyed. Hearing and
the ways that Oh, Texas that's not about the Native Americans, is it?
No, that's another thing. That's another one, which is terrible. Yeah. You know, and what goes on on those reservations. It's lawlessness. It there's I think they said that there's like, one cop covering like 900 square miles. It's something so ridiculous that even if I'm off by 500 miles, it's still ridiculous.
And you know, girls go missing and a poor girl from the reservation is gonna look poor black, or from Cleveland's gonna look poor, poor white girl from right outside Palm Beach, who's gonna look I, I started my career in South Florida. I know that island and I know the neighborhood that's across the bridge. So it's almost like, from medieval times, there's a bridge that leads you to that part, I did a gig over there. And it's crazy how like wealth can be right in your face, and
you don't see it. Because when you and I would go to Palm Beach, we wouldn't have any reason to go on average. We ain't got no business over there. And when you go over there and you do a business, you're like, Oh, this is real wealth. This is that. This ain't Bitcoin money. This that other money, that real money, money, and that money that controls everything. Jeffrey Epstein has some problems over there with young girls. You know what he did? He donated 40 $50,000 to the West Palm Beach Police
Department. And those problems magically went away. How'd that happen?
Yeah, well, have you seen the telemarketers documentary? And no, should
I watch that? Yeah, that's
a good one, too. Because if you ever get those Do you remember like in the 80s and 90s and stuff, and I think even still today, like people would call and ask you to donate money to the policeman's. And all these things, so these, I guess this is legal, which is fucking crazy. And they they can they can donate like 10% of the
money. And the people that ran these telemarketing rings just made bank and they paid the, I guess they paid the telemarketers like, kinda good like enough that it was like worth it for the people to get
these jobs. But it was basically just this giant like rip off scheme where they were calling grandmothers and old ladies and getting them to donate their life savings, and giving a small portion to police or blind or whatever, and they're just making bank and bankrupting these old people is really sad. Just like story is oldest time again. And then
we turn around and call them our greatest generation. And really what they are is ripe soil for rip off artists to call and just take all their money. It's but again, that's why I said the beginning of the interview, you don't have what it takes. I don't have what it takes to make real money in this country, because this country incentivizes you to capitalize and capitalize doesn't mean capitalizing on me, I'm pretty savvy, you're pretty
savvy. But you know, who's not a two year old grandmother, who has never touched a computer. And all you need to tell her is that this is going to the church or the cops or sick kids. And how could she ever track that? Would she ever track that? Get her to sign up for a monthly donation, even though she's on a fixed income? Who's going to step in? Nobody because it's money, money, who's has the name of the authority attached to it, which gives it even more credibility? Because she's like,
it shows up on my phone. This is the FOP the federal Order of Police or whatever. How could they be ripping me off? Now watch this documentary?
It's a good one. There's so much stuff. Well, so much stuff. People need to check out. You're special. I want to ask you this before we wrap up, though, because you toured with Andrew Dice Clay from that, like, that's not my buddy is friends with him. And so I tried to get him on the show. He's like, No, he doesn't even want to hear podcasts. But you have a story about Andrew Dice Clay.
I wouldn't say I have a story in that just like how we met was, you know, as the first time I ever worked with him, was that the Miami improv and I'm a comedy nerd that became a comic. And so I always feel like I always say the best way to sum up my career is like, I'm a fan that's watching comedy and somebody goes Jackson, your neck and I'm like, oh, you know, I can do this too. But I love comedy. I loved it before. I used to buy comedy records,
comedy cassette tapes. I remember one time one of my homeboys found a George Carlin CD in my room, and I don't know why I reacted. I just thought he was gonna think like, because that was like, before, like, everybody was really international. I thought like, they'd be like, Oh, why are you listening to this white dude? So like when they when they Oh, my boy found my George Carlin CD as a jam and in New York. I blamed it on my stepdad. I was like,
Oh, he left that in there. It's like like it was a dirty magazine, but I was such a comedy nerd. I don't know why. It's like when you look you're like, Why didn't George Carlin I don't know, I was like probably 12 And just like I don't know who that is, you know, you want to fit in like there was no like, all the cool kids want to listen to George Carlin's. I was like it's my my stepdad. That's
hilarious. So weird. So like, I had new dice and I was just a fan of him and like what he did for stand up and just making stand up, almost like a arena rock, you know, like doing the biggest venues that could hold human beings. And so when I met him, I just assumed that I was just gonna stand outside the greenroom and then just go do my act. And he opens the door he goes, so you coming in and what that was like, alright, and I was like, I walked in there. Like one of the maids on Game of
Thrones with King Joffrey. I was just like, sitting and he had, you know how, like when you're sitting with like, more than four people so the waiter brings over that gigantic tray that looks like it could cover an old mirror like when it was big trades. It's like oval. You could fit like nine soups on it. He had that he just ordered everything on the menu. He had like a burger, chicken fingers, tilapia hit everything that the menu and he just like, he's sitting across anybody. He just
goes eat. And I just reached for the first thing and I just grabbed a burger and started eating. I was like, Andrei, please talking to me. He was just coolest shit. We were just talking about comedy. And, you know, he's like a detour to anybody. And I was like, No, and he was like, You're doing Orlando this week. And I was like, Okay. And he and I did a couple cities together like his whole Florida run. And he was just super cool to me and like his, his people were really good
to me. And it's really, it really helped me Andrew Dice Clay, Bill Bellamy, Jim Norton, Dave Attell, Hannibal Burse. These are all guys that I've toured with for different at different points in my career, but for years and years, that even though they were clearly in a position of higher rank than me, they treated me like one of them. You know, I was on tour with Bill Bellamy for a couple years. And this is broke out. And like Bill would like real humble like, we go get somebody
to like, go get some shoes. You know, and I didn't have money to get new shoes. You know, I wasn't like a street performer. But I was broke. I was at Baroque, this before podcast and opening acts and make money. He just took care of me, like one of his own and I love him to this day, he showed me how to be a headliner, build an F around a drink before and in the middle of shows that come in between the late the early and the late
show. And Bill would have one ear pot in listening to the first show, seeing where he could get better. And it just like Jim Norton, they all show me how to be professionals on the road.
Wow, that's super cool. I let's see, this is the good stuff that we talked about so much bad stuff, but this is the stuff that inspires me. You know, when you hear stories like that, and you know, I love hearing stuff like that. And same with musicians and stuff. Alice Cooper's a big rock star here in Phoenix. I've heard so many good things about him. He has a charity organization stuff. So I love those kinds of things. So yeah, there's a lot of greedy, evil, horrible people
in the world. But there's also I think there's a lot of good people. And I think I think it's
most people, Chuck, if we want to end on a good note. Yeah, we say, bro, this thing wouldn't work. If everybody was like that. We wouldn't be documentaries. If everybody's like that. Most people are out here. Just swinging for the family enjoying their kids while they can and trying to have some good sex with their partner. Absolutely save a little bit. Save a little bit for a rainy day. Not everybody's out here running Ponzi schemes. I wouldn't even
know how to do that. I would screw it up and end up paying them money. Exactly. I wait a second. I owe you. Oh, it's my badge.
Okay, so I always end promoting the charity. I think last time you were here. You promoted something with with homeless was a homeless vets? I think
yes, I believe last time I was on here as I went viral for that. For that vets rant that I had on TV that I had no idea was gonna go viral. But it's great. I love since we spoke and I've been involved with a couple charities so I'd love to promote to that are near and dear to my house. When I just did the fundraiser for last week, we raised over $400,000 made my girl Tori show my co host Mercy Housing, Mercy
Housing they do. You know, they provide affordable, safe housing to people getting back on their feet. So, you know, we talked a lot on the part about, you know, people on the street, and there's a tendency in our mind that just leave them they're like, well, they're on the street. No, a lot of them want to get off the street. And a lot of them do. But it's hard because the place you can afford
to live. Maybe it's not safe to have a 10 year old daughter there, you know, or maybe it's not safe for you to be there. Let's be real. And so they give them affordable housing that's dignified and they also give them wraparound services. So they show them how to use online banking, all these things that we take for granted, how to fill out a job application, how to talk in it, all these things that we take for granted. So
they are awesome. So please, Mercy Housing and also Firefly school, my son is on the spectrum my youngest son, but early intervention when kids have autism is just so important. And I've lived it, I've seen it. And a lot of these schools, they need to expand to get these kids because a lot of these schools have waiting lists. And you know, as the months go by, those are important for early
intervention. So pleased if Firefly school for autism, or just you anywhere that you can donate towards autism where it's gonna go to a worthy organization, please do that. That's what you could do for me.
Okay, cool. And then the specials out now it's called interest and you also have a podcast my safe word is more. Yes. When Kaplan's Yes, the greatest title for a podcast.
Oh, thank you. Yeah, me and my girl Corinne she was she did two seasons of Survivor one season of The Amazing Race. And she's just the most honest person and that's what we need is honest conversation. So yeah, check out my safe word as more. But yeah, and also watch me everyday on daily blast. chuckling more often? Yeah, it's a three hour pod because we haven't talked. It's all built up.
I know. I'm like I was scared to reach out for a while because like you were going viral. You had I can't remember it was and it was a homeless vet. There's a few things.
Yeah, I was caught by a chicken thing too. Yeah. Yeah. Very cool.
Well, thanks for doing this. And thanks for taking so much time.
I love you, bro. Let's do it. Like real real real soon.
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