My Favorite TV Show: The Office

Welcome to another episode of cheek Ease and Chill. I'm your host cheek Ease, and we have a very exciting episode in store for you today. The person we're speaking with is a cast member of one of my favorite shows ever. So let's not waste any more time and let's jump right into it. This is cheek Ease and Chill. Today's guest is someone I'm really looking forward to talking to.

It's none other than Brian bomb Gartner. You may know him as Kevin Malone from the Emmy Award winning TV sitcom The Office, or you might know him as the host of his podcast Off the Beat. Welcome to the show, Brian thank you. How are you. I'm good, How are you good? I'm glad to be here. Thank you. I'm so excited. I cannot believe that I'm talking to you right now. Thank you so much. I'm a huge, huge

fan of the Office. Honestly, I'm one of the later fans, Like I started watching it, I want to say, like about a year ago, and I'm like so into it, and everyone asked me, who's your favorite character? Like It's so hard because I love you all for like different reasons. But I kind of wanted to talk about that, you know, being a part of the Office, And do you think that the Office, like a lot of the jokes that have been made, can kind of live in today's society.

I guess, um, we get asked that question a lot now. I mean, look, here's the thing. We haven't filmed anything now in about eight years, right, And for most of the time we were on we were the number one show on NBC, right, so we were good. But for us, we never felt like we were like friends or something like huge billboards and ads and the cover of Vogue or whatever. That wasn't it. However, now seven eight years and then this started several years ago. We're currently the

most watched show in television. So of all the news ship people talking about squid Game or succession or or whatever it is, more people are watching The Office now than any other show in television. So part of what I have been exploring over the last couple of years is why what happened? Like, why are more people watching it? Why do we have new fit with fans like you Cheekey's why are you finding it now? Well after when we ran? And I think that the universality of the show.

I mean, you know, we have one producer who just says, well, because it's funny, that's that's it. I think that's true. But I think that really it's about especially during the pandemic this time when we were all sort of searching for a connection. We couldn't go out the way that we used to go out. We couldn't see our friends. If we had family across the country, we couldn't see them. And so I think that The Office became a show that people started using to find a connection with people.

You know, could it be made today? I don't know. I think there are things that might change. One of our producers, Greg Daniels, who created the show says, you know, we may make fun a little bit. We may have poked more fun at a woke culture now than anything else. I don't know, could it be made today? People are watching it, and that's what ultimately is the goal, So I don't know. I I tend to say yes, with

maybe some some joke exceptions. Yeah. I think it's hilarious, And like you said, I just for me it was. Everyone's so sensitive now I feel, you know, and I get it to a certain extent, but for me, it's like it's acting. It's supposed to be fun. I don't know, it's just I want to think that it could be made today, you know, and like you said, you know, maybe adjusting a few things. But I think it's perfect the way it is, and I really use it as

as a form of therapy. I feel like when I'm watching The Office, I could watch the same episode a thousand times and I don't get bored. I feel like I find something new every single time, and it's an outlet for me, and it's it's a form of therapy. And I could just sometimes even put it on as background noise when I'm doing something and I can almost finish everyone's lines, like it makes me forget about everything going on in the world because, as we know, it's

been pretty tough since. So it's like, that's what it's done for my heart in my mind, and this is why I'm like, I guess, yeah, I'm new, but I'm like, I don't know, I feel like, what the heck? Why did I jump on the damn badwag in so late? Because it makes it feels so good? Are you surprised, though? Are you surprised that so many people like still love it? Yeah? I mean of the things that we've talked about is,

you know, we've got a lot of younger people. I mean, you know, like I get stopped by twelve fourteen year old and when we made the show, we weren't making it for that. I mean, it really was about a staple of television is like the office comedy, right, So it's like, okay, so people in offices will hopefully they'll respond to the humor and watch it. But I think

that the young people was really surprising to me. And then I've come to a discovery through conversations with multiple people about this, which is that there's a correlation between an unreasonable boss who makes his employees do unreasonable things while sitting next to people that you don't choose to

sit next to year after year after year. There's a close correlation between that and an unreasonable teacher who makes their students do unreasonable things while sitting in a classroom next to these people that you don't necessarily choose to

sit next to. And so I think that while thirteen, fourteen, sixteen year old people don't have the office experience, they do have an experience of being in a confined area with with a bunch of other people with different personalities that ultimately you have to form some sort of bond

with to get through day after day after day. And I think to your point, that's one of the things that's been really surprising to me, that not to put words in your mouth, but essentially like it brings you comfort, you put it on even if you're not watching, because it makes you feel good in a way. And I

think that's the thing that that people miss. Michael Scott may say inappropriate things, non pc things, things you quote unquote can't say today, but it's always been confusing to me because the overall message is he says something and you have thirteen people looking at the camera or responding in a way which is you can't say that, you can't you can you can't say that thing. This has always been confusing to me. To me, it's actually very progressive in that way. It is telling you, in some

ways or other what you can and can't say. We had mandatory sexual harassment seminars from NBC Universal, right, this huge conglomerate. So just like if you were working in an office, we had to get sexual harassment training once a year. We had to sit in a room and sign in for their corporate whatever. And this is not a joke, this is true. In that seminar, the HR people that they would bring in to teach these seminars would show clips from the office showing what you couldn't

do in the workplace. So we're all sitting there watching ourselves on TV showing doing what we are told we can't do. Very weird thing. But anyway, I think that the message of the show is, yeah, these are things you can't do or can't say. Yeah, like you said, Like I would see Pam's face all the time and she look at the camera, She's like uh, like she's not her head, like I just can't believe you just said that, but it would make it so freaking funny. And I'm just like guys like I see it as

again acting. But any who, now, let's talk about Kevin so in real life. How are Kevin and Brian different? Are they very different? Do you guys have any similarities at all? Well, first of all, I don't spoiler alert, I don't talk. I don't talk in quite the same way, so that would be a difference. I don't I talk a little faster. Let's say this. The basketball episode was not edited. That was me, so I guess I can shoot the rock that were similar at that nice we

shot a golf episode. I play a lot of golf, so that's true. And I do like to bet on golf. That is true as well. I like to play cards, so maybe that's true as well. I know you you know music, so don't don't be alarmed here. I do not play the drums. I do not play the drums. But I'll tell you a funny story. I fooled Alice Cooper, which might be my greatest claim to fame. I showed

up at a charity event for Alice Cooper. We're on our way, there's like a big benefit concert and they've got I mean, they've got tons of musicians singing and playing instruments. And the guy goes, okay, so just so you know, you know, it's concert and different people sing. But Alice thought it would be really fun the last song that he's gonna play as schools out for summer, right schools for So he's like, all right, so when when we play that, we're gonna invite you on stage

to play the drums. Oh my god. And I was like, I was like, um, I don't want to make Mr Cooper mad, but that's a hard no. Like I know, I know enough that I could not fool my way through with a bunch of legendary musicians playing the drums on that song. So yeah, I turned into a little bad background singer. I did come up and do some background singing, but yeah, no, I do not play the drums. Okay, nice,

Are you married, Brian? I am? Yes. So that's a different because they know Kevin didn't have or he had girlfriends, right he did. We started with a fiancee, yes, we started, who left, and then there was periodically a couple of other relationships. But Brian's very much married and you've been married for how long? Brian? Eight years? Nice? Okay, so right after like you finished with The Office, No, I guess we were. I guess now we were. Oh, yes,

that's right, Yes, that's right, that's right. Together, but no, together together longer. That's why the math. I was like, no, that didn't happen. Yes, but anyway, So so what made you want to be on the show? Like, did you want to audition for Kevin's role specifically or did you just audition? How did that work? No? I was aware there was a British version of the show first, and there was a character in the British version, his name was Keith that they kind of, you know, they kind

of took that character. So most of the characters in the Office were not taken. So they really, um, Michael and Dwight and Jim and Pam and Ryan and Kevin. We're really the only characters that had a British counterpart that came over. So that's sort of where it started. And I knew that they were looking for unknown people. And at the time I had just moved to Los Angeles, I had been doing theater around the country, so I was.

I was not known, and so I knew. I knew that was a part I could play, and I knew they were looking for unknown people, and so no, I saught it out. I worked to get an audition in a meeting, but ultimately, yeah, I just I just auditioned. Okay, And how did you prepare for the role of Kevin? I mean I had been working, like I said, in the theater and for me, voice, physicality, those were all part of creating a character. I mean I had, I had gone to school, I had studied acting, and I

wasn't really a comedy guy per se. I mean I did a lot of dramas and usually really bad bad guys. Really yeah, yeah, I know, I know that's what people say now it's crazy, but yeah, I mean I I certainly I had done some comedy, but it wasn't like I was a stand up guy or an improv guy working really just in comedy. So for me, in terms of creating the role, yeah, that was just what I saw, and then working with the writers we kind of fine

tuned him a little bit. But yeah, the physicality and the voice and all of that was was for me about creating a character. Nice were you one of the writers on the show. No, I directed, but I wasn't a writer. You The thing I tell people because there were a lot of If you don't know, there were a lot of actors who were writers on the Office. The way that you know is if you were in the main room. The people in the main room weren't writers because mostly filmed in the in the main room.

So the people who sat back by the break room in the annex, those were the writers. So Mindy Kaling who played Kelly, and Paul Lieberstein who played Toby, and bj Novak who played Ryan. Yeah, they were all back there so they could be writing and not filming as much. And that was because they needed to write. Yes, there were times when I wanted to just choke Ryan just like he was hilarious. So then Michael Scott les, I'm

gonna be honest. Okay. When Michael Scott left, I was like, I don't know if I want to watch anymore because it's like he was so huge because I'm never going to be the same And I got into the show because of my boyfriend. He's a huge office. I'm like huge, And I was like, okay, I was like I don't know. He's like, no, you have to watch you have to watch it. I watched it, and I fell in love all over again. I felt like, oh my god, like

everyone came together and did such a wonderful job. Like it got to a point where I didn't even miss Michael. But then you watch it again and we started over again, and I'm like, oh, this is why I love it. You know, But how did you guys feel when Michael said, okay, he had to go. I mean, it was it was devastatingly hard. It was really hard. I mean because again, we were all including Steve, the people who watched the show more recently, Steve Carell's big star, right, like, and

you watch the show, it's Steve Karel show. But you know, at the time, nobody was famous, nobody was known. Fourty year old Virgin didn't come out until our second season, and that's really when he went bonkers. So we all kind of grew up together, and the show struggled in the beginning in terms of getting fans, and so, you know, we all just sort of bonded together. So when he left, it really was like one of the ang is gone,

and kind of the Papa is gone. And the thing you have to know also is is that as much of an amazing creation that Michael Scott is, Steve Carell is a is a better guy um than than even that that creation. So we were we were losing kind of an amazing character, not just in our show but in my opinion, in the history of television. But we're also missing like our leader, our friend who who we had all kind of grown up with in the industry. So it was really tough, I think in terms of

for us moving forward. He's talked very publicly about why he left. I mean, he was the central story for seven years, and he felt like he wanted the character to have a journey from having his family be the office to maturing and growing enough as a human being to be able to have his own family and someone that he fell in love with. So that journey had happened, and after that he felt like it was it was

just it was time for him to go. So we all felt like there were parts of the other characters that now we just had more time to tell once he was gone. So that was really what our our focus became was was just further exploring the other characters that were left yeah, you guys did amazing with it, because I really thought it's gonna be just way too different,

you know. And when I got around to watching it and I'm like, no, everyone came together and did an amazing effing job, I was like this, I loved it. I was like, Okay, well Michael's not here, and I kind of just forgot. But I mean, I love him, and I think that Steve Carroll is just an amazing human being an actor. But I was wondering about that because I was like, I felt it. I cried. I was like when he left, I was like, what the

heck is going on? But I think that that's that's big of him too, of saying, you know what, sometimes we do have to accept, like this is good for this season of my life and now I'm moving on to the next phase. And he did it both for himself and the character, you know, So I think it worked out fairly nicely. I'm sure it was difficult, but yeah, I mean and and look, I mean, and I'm not trying to undercut any of that because that is the truth.

But by the same token, the fact that he was there producing or you know, acting in almost thirty episodes a year after he became kind of the largest comedy star on the planet after fourty year old Virgin in the movies that that he did and the opportunities that he had, the fact that he stayed around. You know, his contract was for seven years. Everybody else over time extended their contracts. He lived out his contract. He didn't leave, you know. That was the thing is, he didn't really leave.

He did his job. He did it the whole time he was there. He loved it. He's talked a lot about it. He and I talked for my podcast about that transition for him. But the fact that he stayed that long after what he had become really like at the beginning of our second season is also really just like a credit to him as a human being. That he didn't just say like, okay, guys, I'm I'm good now, thank you so much, and I'm to go, you know, do the next Ghostbusters or whatever. No, he was a

man of his word. He said, this is my contract, I'm gonna live it through and and you know, he gave his best. I mean, I'm sure it was. It was a lot of work because he was doing everything all at once. Um, are you guys still friends. Oh yeah, I mean, you know, we just like everybody, right, I mean there's been time a lot of people don't live

in the same city anymore. Um, people have kind of moved around the country, and obviously the pandemic seeing but um, you know, I tell people we have a group text that we use fairly often, and then you know, some of us get together. Oscar and I tomorrow morning are going to Oklahoma City to do something together. So you know, there's different things that happened, and awesome. Tell Oscar I said, Hi, I will He's like, who is that chick? But anyways,

I love Oscar. He's freaking awesome. Okay, so tell me life after the office finished? What team? Correct? Yeah, that's about right. Yeah, did you take some time off? Yeah? I mean I'll be honest, like, no one should cry for any of us, but you know, most help well and especially now, right. I mean most of the shows you start watching are nine episodes or ten or even the network television shows were two and we were doing thirty. So I mean we were working almost year round. Yeah.

The other thing people don't realize is is that it's it's twelve or fourteen hours a day on set. I mean just in terms of the amount of time, so that's sixty seventy hours a week. There was just very little time for anything else in addition to the other kind of requirements that go along with doing a show, press and so forth. So yeah, I think I think I took some time and also became very strategic in terms of the types of roles that I wanted to play.

You know, I wanted to be sure to make decisions to do different things and started doing more in the film space and in the drama television space, as uh I talked about before. So and then, you know, really the last couple of years, I've I've almost returned in a way because of the phenomenon that the office became. I kind of became the historian in a way. Myself and Ben Silverman, we wrote a book you're now speaking to a New York Times bestselling author, Welcome to dunder Mifflin.

If you haven't checked that out. We put a bunch of never before seeing photos in there and kind of went back and and retold the story of the show and how it came to be, and really, quite frankly, I think for fans like you that found the show later to really try to go back and say, like, yes, Steve Carrell, he was not nobody knew who Rain Wilson was, or Jenni Fisher or John Krasinski. You know, Jennif Fisher was about to quit the business and move on to

do something else when this happened. So it was a lot about that. So I've really enjoyed now after some time going back and and re exploring it again, and I'm having a lot of fun. So did your book come first and then your podcast? The podcast came first, So I went back and talked to my old friends and did a bunch of interviews and ended up with um over a hundred hours of interviews from just office folks and sort of took that and photos and turned that into a book. And and now I enjoyed doing

the podcast stuff so much. The sort of new iteration it's called off the beat. Yeah, tell us about it. So I'm going back and talking to other entertainers, people in television, people in movies. We're gonna talk to people in music and people in uh sports eventually, but you know, just wanting to tell the stories that have never been

heard before. So today's episode, Jon Hamm from Madman, came out, talked to Eric stone Street from Modern Family and Jimmy Lynn Siegler from The Sopranos, And so you know these stars from certain shows or entertainment. But I'm really wanting to hear the story that that we don't know. That's the story. And I'm calling him those off the beat moments. We all know those, you know, winning Emmy's or mad Men. But but how did Jon Hamm get the role of Don Draper and mad Men? And I mean, here's a

crazy story. I'll tell you. He was Ellie Kemper, Right, So Ellie Kemper, who played Aaron Hannon in the Office and Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt. Jon Hamm was her high school drama teacher. No way, what the hell? How crazy is that? How crazy is that? Yeah? And so we discovered this on your podcast Off the Beat. Yeah. So then years later, I say, well, do you keep in touch with her? Like she's a high school student, Like do you do you you know? And uh, he said, yeah, you know,

Off and on I remembered her. She you know, obviously she was good and talented. And then years later, when she started Breakable Kimi Schmidt. They called John and said, I want to play this role in this movie. So it's like this weird the high school drama teacher becomes the guest star. And he was making jokes like he was like talking to me about coming and playing this part.

And he's like, well, I don't know if I have time to do it, and they're like, um, it's like one episode a year, and he's like, oh, you're not even offering me the lead, like imred teacher, and now I'm gonna play Like yeah, anyway, So I'm having a blast doing that. I love podcasting because I feel like you just I don't know, it's I don't have to get like already and stuff. You know. Eventually I want to get into like the visual part of it, like some video, but for now I'm really enjoying It's it's

a form again, a therapy for me. Yeah, I love the form. I mean, you know the thing I tell people is if you just say late night television, right, you think, oh, well, they talked to John Hamm last week. Yeah, they talked to him for eight minutes with a commercial break in the middle, Like they didn't really talk about anything. They talked about whatever, project he has coming on right now, maybe one Madman joke and then you know we're onto

the next person. I think this form allows you to have substitutive conversations and begin to have and find a relationship with a person that that you can't sort of get in that other form. So I'm really enjoying it. I have a Q and A. Are you down to do that with me right now? I'm down. Let's go. Who's your favorite character on the Office, Kevin Malone? That's right, yes, um. I do think, however, in terms of just character that Michael Scott is amazing. The character of Dwight True is

just the character everything about him. The dichotomy is within himself that he's an anime loving trans am driving heavy metal listening like chess pla. Nothing makes sense to it, but I think it's see that's the thing I loved. I love all of you guys. At different times, I just I can't pinpoint one. I really really really can't even like Todd Packer. Sometimes I was just like, oh my god, I want to just choke him too, but then he's freaking funny, so I'm like, I don't know,

I can't choose one. I mean, someone just came up to me the other day on the street and was talking about their favorite moment of the show, and I said, what was it? And that's a crazy thing. I get so many. But they were like, oh, when Todd Packer makes the cupcakes and laced and you and Andy go into that like trip scene. I'm like, oh, yeah, that was so fun. Yeah, there are so many moments like that. I love it. Yeah, that's one of the times I was like, oh my god, I don't like this guy,

but I love him. It's you know, love and hate relationship. Um, okay, So who's your favorite actor on the Oh I can't answer that, but I will tell you this. I've said it many times. The funniest person off screen is Oscar Nunias. Really, Oscar nuns is the funniest. Oh my good news. Okay, I love Oscar. I have a question. Actually, okay, So Phillis I hear that she was was it she was like she was trying to find castor what what's the

what's the deal with Phillis? She was a casting director. Yeah, she was the assistant casting director on the On the Office and what happens oftentimes Alison Jones, who's a genius and has cast basically every comedy that anyone who's listening to has ever liked. Alison Jones the casting director, and so a lot of times they're like, you know, talking to the producers and doing stuff when people are reading.

And Phillis was the person who read with us, right, So, like, imagine if I'm auditioning and I have a scene with Angela or something, so She's reading Angela's lines off camera while I'm auditioning for the role, and the director Ken Kappas told stories they would have these long sessions and so forth, and he found himself that he kept looking over at Phillis and he's like, like, couldn't kind he was like, to the detriment of like probably some of

the actors who auditioned, he just couldn't stop watching Phillis and eventually went to Greg and was like, she has to work here, And so that was how the character of Phillis was created. That's crazy. Wow, Yeah, my boyfriend was telling me that. I was like, I don't believe you. He's like, I swear as as Kevin. She was, and not to like sell the podcast, but she and I had a long conversation in which I learned all of

that is true, but more than that. When we started filming, she felt self conscious because she wasn't an improviser, she wasn't an actor, and she felt like she was behind him. Was afraid she wasn't being good, and so she would leave work and she went and picked up books on improv and at night would read books on improv. As we started shooting the show. Yeah, she told me that I had no idea, no idea, how cute is she?

And I thought she was so awesome. I was like, I definitely thought she was an actor and she's freaking like I wanted to always just hug her and have her bake cookies for me, and I'm just like, she's I didn't even know that that's that's so great. So she was like, I want to be great at this and she was so The chili scene was a very popular scene for Kevin. What's your favorite scene or episode? I mean it really changes the series of episodes where

Kevin meets Holly in terms of of playing that. That was really fun. That was really fun. Yeah, that was a cool moment and how she thought you were special something. Yeah, she would speak to me. I was like, oh my gosh. The one I loved was when you gave Michael was looking for a girlfriend and you gave him Wendy's number and it was Wendy's Wendy's the Fast. Oh my god, hilarious. Yeah,

I love that. That. And also, oh, can you please do it about the cats when you said, no, you're not supposed to eat cats, Kevin, you can't eat cats. You can't eat cats, Kevin. I loved it. Oh my god, I have so many. Oh. And then the very last one when finally Dwight gets married to Angela and then Michael shows up. I was like, oh my god. When Jim said, you know, I can't be your best man, and like he comes and I was just like, oh my god. I started crying. Beautiful, I promise you this,

without saying anything about me, I promise you this. You were not the only one who cried. Oh oh my gosh, you did you cry. I'm not answering that. I'm just letting you know for sure you aren't the only one. Dude. I was bawling. I was like, this is perfect. I just felt like it all just came together. And he didn't even talk much. He just stayed like behind and let everyone else do their thing, and it was just so beautiful. I was bawling. I've watched it like three

times already. I think I probably watched I mean, I cry again. So what's something you think the audience got wrong about Kevin? Well? I can tell you this. There became a very popular Reddit chain which that Kevin was secretly a genius and he was embezzling money from dunder Mifflin and that's how he got the bar. And they go through and they talk about a bunch of examples about his gambling and how he gets some money and

blah blah blah, blah blah. I don't think that's right. Okay, So that's a fan theory with all of the evidence they have, I don't I don't think they're right about that. Now that we're talking about that there was some type of serial killer, right, I forgot his name and they thought it was Creed. Yes, I thought that maybe it was Creed or something like that. Did we We never got to the bottom of that, did we. No? But

I'll tell you this. Everything it's and not only every like Q in a show where people are allowed to ask questions. Not only do people always ask about the scrant and the Strangler, that's the name. It's almost always one of the first questions, which is who is the Scranton Strangler? And I think they're saying they're doing it now to kind of mess with me. Let me tell you this, for those of you who would have that same question right now, I don't care, and nobody cares.

And that's the thing is that getting Toby on jury duty was an excuse to bring in the character of Holly for Michael to fall in love with. I mean, that's really what happened, and people are so obsessed with and they're talking about it. Was it. Toby is a creed. To my knowledge, that was never discussed ever in the writer's room. So I guess whatever anybody else thinks is what it is, because I don't have any better answer. Yeah, created I love his little comments here and there. They're

just they're great. So what do you miss? Do you miss anything about being on the show? Oh? I mean I love the show. I mean I was a huge fan of the show. I love that we ended it when we did, because we ended it with a full story told, meaning we shot this documentary and then it eventually aired and we got to see what happened after it aired. And you know, I think if we'd gone on any longer, we were going to start losing more and more people and the show wouldn't have been the same.

And so I'm feel really fortunate about that. But I think, you know, in terms of what I missed most, it's just spending time with those people. Do you think you'd ever do another sitcom? Oh, if it was the right thing, it would have to be the right thing with the right character. Okay, So what's next? What's next for Brian? Uh? You know, that's a great question. I had filmed sort of beginning or before early pandemic. I had a couple of movies that came out fairly recently and that was

a lot of fun. I wrote this book, and I'm doing the podcast and doing work here and there when it comes up. I did the a new animated show on Netflix, have a voice of a bear in that trash truck. So I'm keeping busy and I am really really happy. Good. That makes me happy that you're happy. Thank you good. And I'm honestly so grateful that I was able to talk to you and I'm going to go watch the Office right after this again. Um, and just thank you so much, Brian. And yes, you guys

check out his podcast Off the Beat. I usually end all of my podcasts with a motivational quote. Okay, perfect, I need you to motivate me cheek, Yes, I got you here, you guys go. All endings are also beginnings, we just don't know it at the time. I'm one to think that, like, don't get sad when something ends, because there's something and giving you the chance, an opportunity for something else to start in your life. So there you have you, guys. Thank you so much. We're listening in.

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