Living Transgender

change the game in the transgender community. Hello everyone, and welcome to another episode of che He's in Chill. I'm your host, Cheek E's, and I hope you all are having a great day. For today's episode, we're going to be opening up our hearts and our minds because we're going to be diving into a very important topic, one that isn't talked about enough in my opinion, especially in the lent community. We're going to be joined by a transgender woman and here's some of the challenges she's faced

throughout her life. I'm really looking forward to this conversation, so let's dive right into it. Guys. This is chick Eas and Chilly. Today's guest is Emiol. She is an actor, writer and a podcast host. He'd invite me over to have dinner with his family. I knew he didn't tell them that it was transgender, and I didn't know if being new or not. Adam said, if this question ever comes up, just her new podcast, Crumbs, is part of

you Know the family. I Heart Radio Network, and we will learn a little bit more about that a little later, but let's hear more about her story. Welcome, Emmy. It's so good to hear from you. How are you, Hi, geez, thank you so much for having me. I'm really excited to be here, of course, No, I'm really excited. This

is something that I'm very passionate about. I've had personal experiences and I have family members, and not only that, I feel that it is a huge taboo still in our Latin community, and this is why I'm so excited to have a podcast where we're able to speak about anything and everything that we want. So, first of all, congratulations on your podcast Crumbs. Thank you, that's awesome. I'm

so so excited You're part of the family. So right here, Okay, so I can tell you're such a strong and positive force, but I know you probably weren't always like this. Can you share a little bit about your background. Where did you grow up. I'm from San Diego, so California girl. My mom was fourteen but she had me. My dad was sixteen, and my parents were gang being troubles from rival gangs. No way, so interesting how they met, but

here I am. You know, they hadn't when they were so young, and they didn't know what the heck they were doing. I had really no structure whatsoever. Growing up. I was allowed to do whatever I wanted because they didn't know what they were doing. These were just kids having kids. Did you feel like you were growing up also with your parents like you felt like because my mom was fifteen when she had me, so I sometimes even felt like I was her mom sometimes, you know.

So interesting, No, because my parents shortly after I was born became menting to drugs, and so that started their cycle of like being in institutions. Actually, my dad kind of dipped out when I was one year old, so it's pretty much my mom and me, and then my grandmother stepped in to raise me. Okay, so you were raised by your grandmother, I was okay, And do you have siblings, emmy, I do, yeah, and the eldest our age differences are seven, twelve and nineteen. But you know,

my grandma stepped in to raise me. She provided me with stability, home love while my mom was out doing her stuff, doing her hustle. She was in and out. So I didn't really have a really strong relationship from the beginning with my mom until I was a little bit older. Okay, I see, But thank goodness for your grandma. Yeah, she was an amazing woman. And talking about her, did you were you open with her about what you felt like? How old were you when you started feeling did you

feel that way? You can? I ask you? Did you feel trapped in in another body? Like? Can you explain to me like your experience. Yeah, No, that wasn't my experience. I didn't feel trapped in another body as a kid. I felt like it was very different. And maybe I think because it was the eighties, things were so different. We didn't have the terminology that we have now. The lifestyle was completely different. Growing up in a very Mexican household,

that just wasn't something you talk about. Everyone knew that I was different. Okay, So I was born little blonde hair, blue eyed little boy who acted like a girl. I was very feminine, and from the get go people knew that I was different. So my grandmother, she knew that I was different. So she protected me a lot, especially from my aunts, because my aunts were like that, you don't nor whatever exactly, Like my grandmo was like, they can't know, they can't mean, because you know, I was

her favorite. She was raising me and she protected me. That was kind of short lived because when I was seven years old, my grandmother disappeared. And what happened is I was seven years old. I was taken to school, my grandmother was arrested. I was picked up by my paternal grandparents and they told me that my Mamilicia, my grandmother, was in jail with my mom, with my stepdad, with my aunt, with the maid, with the mechanic. Everyone who was at the house that day got arrested. We had

been under investigation for some time now. Cover story of the San Diego Union Tribune. Right this woman is arrested for trafficking four SENTI five pounds of cocaine across the border. One of her workers dot caught and away. She went, so all the stability that I had with my grandmother. You know, she gave me everything I ever wanted, material, possessions, love. I felt like it was unconditional love. And then that's when my mom stepped in. She had to. She had

no choice because what was going to happen to me? So, you know, she did the best that she could, still using drugs, she got pregnant. She had my sister, Andrea, and she taught me how to make a bottle, how to change a diaper, said I'll be back. She didn't come back that night. The very next morning, my aunt picked us up. My mom had been arrested hustling in her drug use, and my sister and I were separated. I went to live with my paternal grandparents. My sister

went with an aunt. And from that moment, you start feeling like what is wrong with me? I knew I was different. I didn't like the same things that other boys liked. I got made fun of, you know, like you're like really derogatory chicks that they would use, you know, especially the Latinos used that word so much. Yeah, so I grew up with just so much shame about who

I was. After a year my mom being incarcerated. She got released to a halfway house, and what happened is she skipped parole and she moved this to school, which is where my family is from. We were pretty much on the run for four years. I'm gonna say that's when I really bonded with my mom because she was clean from drugs. My grandmother from prison was still giving orders like you know, this is what you're gonna do, this is how you're gonna live. She had properties in Mexico,

so nothing was missing. We had everything we needed. We were provided for, so my mom didn't even have to work. She's just was the housewife. But then she picked up drugs again and we ended up coming back to the US when my sister Daniela was born, and we've been here since. You were how old when your sister Andrea was was born? You said seven? You were seven, okay, So that that happened all so quickly, like being under your grandma's wing, and then she was gone, and then

you had your sister. Your mom had your sister Andrea, and then you had this responsibility since so young. Like that's where I feel like we have that in common where we're the eldest, and we have this responsibility that wasn't really ours at such a young age, and it forces us to mature so quickly and kind of miss out on our childhood. Did you feel like you missed out on your childhood in some way? I don't feel

like I had a childhood. And this is what one of the resentments I always had towards my mom that I didn't get to live as a kid. I was always picking up after her. I was in charge of cleaning and combing Andrea's hair, getting her ready for school, picking out her outfits, caring for her, and also, like you know, the protective person, and he wanted to make sure that she was shielded from things that happened as

a result of my mom being in her addiction. Did you feel like at times that you resented her in a way? Your mom? Absolutely. I know you've talked about this, like I loved her, but I didn't like her. You know, I had so much resentment growing up towards my mom, and I said, I will never do drugs, I will never be an alcoholic. I wanted to be very different, and so I applied myself. I applied myself in school and I said, I'm going to be an honor student.

I'm gonna go to college. I'm going to get a degree. I'm going to break the cycle of like this fuck up, dysfunctional family that I have. I did pretty good for the most part. So you know, even throughout high school, I was still like very effeminate. Everyone just said, you know, the gay kid or or whatever, you know, those terrible things that we grew up Back then, Queer was like not a cool word, and that's what they would call me. Here's the thing I want to preface, like everything I

mentioned is my experience. Right, there's like no umbrella term for the trans community. It's just my experience, which I was going to tell you. I saw that especially with your podcast. It's kind of this is my experience. I'm not representing the community as a whole. It's just this is who I am, and I'm speaking about myself, which I like, I think it's I think it's a good thing. And then I respect that. So absolutely you you thank you. This is your space too, so you go ahead and

say like it is. So then you know what happened is I was gonna I got admitted to three universities. I was so excited because I was finally on my way to be successful. And then my mother got arrested at the border for crossing I have the amount of methamphetamines. She was given a prison sentence, and my sisters were being shuffled from house to house. My grandmother, who was out of prison at the time, she was older, and she said, I can't take care of these girls. It's

too much for me. Because by this time I had a little Adrian. He had already been born and she was taking care of him and he was a baby. So what happened is I put my life on hold. I got a job that paid me well. I went before the judge and I got custody of my two younger sisters and I raised them. And that was the most challenging thing that I've ever gone through, but also the most rewarding one. They became like my everything. Oh my goodness. I mean, we have a lot in common.

Your baby brother was how old at this time, So Adrian was about a year old baby. He was a baby baby back then. So you weren't able to go to the university. You just said, I'm going to get a job and try to raise my sisters exactly, and that's what I did. I did the best that I could.

I mean, they didn't come with instructions, and I was just like, fuck it, I'm gonna do what I think is the best for them and just give them stability, show them that there is a better way of life out here, because by this time, you know, my mom, they're living in motels, they're living in random places, and so they're me picking up the bad habits my sister and that I was kind of headed that way, and

I was like, God, I don't want my sister. I really don't want that for her because I had so much fear that she was gonna end up on drugs in jail or dead. That's like my biggest fear, and I carry that fear for so long with my parents. So anyway, I stepped in. I raised them. But all the resentment and all the like hate I felt towards my mom just grew and grew and grew, because here I am picking up after her again and putting my

life on hold. I started abusing alcohol. That was like my way to cope, and then that led to other stuff, okay, like hard drugs, harder drugs that led to me blacking out. I'm a blackout drinker. Like I drink enough and I black out. Wake up and I hear about things that I did, and it's like, holy sh it, I did that, Like I can't see myself doing that. I was so unhappy with the person who I was. I knew that

I wasn't happy internally. Yes, I was abusing alcoholis abusing drugs, but also when I looked in the mirror cheeks, I didn't like what I saw. And you hadn't transitioned at this point, correct, but you had accepted I'm gay or you hadn't accepted that. It's interesting because I had accepted that I was gay. However, I didn't have that experience of like I'm gay, I'm out and proud and I'm gonna like go day and have fun. That wasn't my experience. I was ashamed that I was gay. I couldn't find

my place because I wasn't dating gay man. I wasn't attracted to them, so I didn't really have relationships as a gay man. It's interesting, and I that's the only way I can explain it. I couldn't find my place. The reason I asked these questions is because my brother Johnny, he's he's my baby. We went through this, you know where he went through like no I he was eleven years old and he was just confused about his sexuality and for a long time he was just upset and

had these thoughts of suicide. And it was so hard art because he was like, this is what I like, but I don't want to like what I like, like I want to be quote unquote normal. And it took a while to just say, Johnny, like, you need to just say it out loud and little by little. I can't push you into saying it loud and proud, but you have if this is what you like, this is what your body desires, you have two little by little start accepting that because if not, it's going to cause

other things. And I think maybe this is what I'm hearing. I mean, I don't know. I mean, obviously you did have a very rough childhood and your parents and then your grandma and then having to take the responsibility of your sisters. You felt alone and you felt like you didn't have a support system. Is that correct? And it kind of lead you into alcohol. Makes me feel good for the moment. A big part of it is that I felt like I had let my family down right.

I was like the first born male. My family is very Mexican Catholic, and I felt very traditional. And my grandmother, not my mom's mom, but my dad's mom, would tell me things like and you know, things like that, like since it's always a kid. I could see the look of disappointment in their face when they'd see me, or the way I expressed myself, and then my grandmother would say,

I know I'm looking nas that was hurtful, of course, absolutely, dude. Yeah, sometimes I feel like they don't realize that things that they say are elders, like how much they can affect our life. Our hearts are little minds, you know, because you're so young, you're still trying to figure things out within yourself, within your body, and then having someone that you love tell you this, it's just absolutely I totally get that. And when did you start your transition? How

old were you when you started? So what happened is I try to kill myself? Oh man? Yeah, after years of abusing drugs and alcohol, I decided that I didn't want to live anymore. I drink a bottle of pills, a big old bottle. My sisters and found me, and by this time and that I was driving, so she drove me to the hospital to the emergency room. My

liver started to shut down. I was hospitalized for seven days, and on the last day that I was there, the doctor said, you know what, you're very lucky that you're not dead. You put your liver through hell, I'm gonna discharge you. Just take it easy. So I'm excited, like I'm packing, I'm getting ready to go home. And then these two E m t s walk up. They asked for me by name, and they said, we're going to take you to the psychiatric ward because this was technically

a suicide attempt. So there I go into the psych word. I walk in and it wasn't my first time there. I had been a regular there because I had so many fucking demons inside me that I just always wanted to offer myself. And the doctor said, hey, welcome back. He saw my chart. He said, you know what, I really want you to look around the rooms here. And I looked and you could see the patients nodding off in a corner, you know, And he said, these people

here have severe mental issues. And I suspect that what you have is an addiction problem. So I'm going to make a deal with you. I'm gonna let you out of here if you check out recovery a recovery meeting. You know, at this time, I feel like this small I have nothing to lose. So I said, all right, let's do it. I started going to these meetings and I started doing the work that we do in a top step program, and I started taking inventory of myself and I discovered that I was a woman. That was

a turning point for me. And do you feel that ever since that happened, where you're like, I'm a woman, you felt like you were happier in every way? Or was it still a little bit of an uphill battle? Okay, So I played with a thought for months, and it was a bit of an uphill battle because I thought of everyone else. I thought of my sisters, I thought of my grandparents, I thought of my friends. This was a big commitment and I had to be sure that I was going to take this leap of faith. And

it's a scary one. Oh my god, it was so scary. And so I started seeing a doctor about hormones. I started taking the hormones before going full time as a woman. I was working at the time at the phone company, and I told him, Hey, this is what's going to happen. I'm going to transition. And they're like, okay, great, They're very cool about it. Just bring us any sort of like documentation, any legal name change or whatever. So I did that, and then it was time to tell my family.

My mom's side of the family is very conservative. My dad's side of the family, even though they're very much he'stas and very like be a boy, be a boy. They they're more what's the word. So then being like they're cool, like there, they have fun, they drink. Okay, they're a little bit more open minded. I guess you can say that. Okay, my mom's family is a little more proper, and my dad's family is more like you know this melody, okay, yeah, So yeah, I get it.

I don't know how I get it down tripped. So I sat down with my nana, with my daughta and my uncle and I told him, Nana got that. I'm trying to remember exactly what I told him. Damn it, what was it. I was just so fucking nervous, and I said, just get it. Out quick, get it out quick. I'm like, oh my goodness. And I remember that. I remember. I remember their eyes were just like dead stare and it was just like silence at the table. Nobody was

saying anything, and I'm dying inside. I'm like, holy sh it, what did I just do? And then my nana, she's such a jokester, she looks at me, she's like the first, Oh my goodness, that was like the first thing she said, and that just like broke the eyes. Everybody started laughing. And then my daughter just said like okay, and it was like that, Wow, here's the thing. Check. By this time, I had already put my family through hell with my addiction, with my drinking. They just wanted me to be safe.

They wanted me to be happy. They wanted me to be living because the things that happened to me in my addiction we're freaking scary. We're talking about I'd get lost in the juana for days and they didn't know if I was dead or alive. Okay, how long was this? How many years of this give or take do you think? Oh, let's see, I'm gonna say good five six years of it? Okay.

So it was very It was tormenting for for them emotionally, I'm sure so for them to be getting calls at two o'clock, three o'clock in the morning that I'm stranded or that I'm in trouble, or that I'm here, that I'm in a hospital. This was just like, you know, when I got sober, they were like, oh, thank god. So by the time I transitioned, they were like, you know what, we just want you to be okay for the rest. So yeah, and how long have you been

sober now? I mean I've been sober for fourteen years. Wow, that's awesome. Oh wait, but how did your mom's side of the family take it, because this is your dad's side of the family, right, This is my dad's side of the family, So with my mom and you know, this is my grandma, my mommy Lecha, who raised me like I was like, I was her everything. But you know, my little brother kind of replaced me in that area. But I was cool with it. I was cool with

you know, she raised him since he was born. Because my mom was in jail, and it took me longer to tell them. I kind of distanced myself from them because that's the kind of person that I used to be right, to avoid conflict, to avoid pain, I just turned. I just distanced myself from you instead of addressing it. And so I had been living as a woman not

it wasn't you know. Immediate after I told my paternal grandparents and it was a little it took me a little while, but I walked in and you know, by this time, they had already heard about it, and they didn't know what to expect. Yeah, they had heard about it, but it was kind of like, you know, do I contact or do I not? Do I say? And then I thought, you know what, life's too short. I gotta tell them. They have to know. So I told them and I had a phone call with them first, and

then I walked in to see them. And I remember walking into the living room and my mom, Lea was at the table. She was on the phone with one of my aunts and she's like, what it was very It was so so weird, and she just looked at me and she's like, you want eat this? That's that was what she said. And she got up and hugged me, and it was like I could breathe. Yeah, it was kind of like a breath of fresh air. For sure. Can I ask you about how you came to the

realization that you were a woman? Like I'm sure people listening right now who are unsure about their place in the world maybe are facing this. What can you share with them, like maybe they have a similar battle, like you know what I mean, Like what helped you come to that realization? For me, it was, you know, like I said, I had gotten sober and I was really

diving deep into myself. I was like soul searching. I needed to know what were the things that made me act the way that I was acting when I was in my disease, in my addiction, and literally taking inventory on paper about who I was. And then I always felt like, God, I wish I was born a girl, but I never put more thought than that, you know, because I like the glamour, like the makeup, the hair, the clothes. You know. Andrea was my little barbeque to

dress her the way I wanted. And one day she turned around and she was in high school, you know, like she's going to high school where everyone's wearing you know, really casual clothes, and she's going with boots and jeans and like really nice clothes. And she looked at me. She's like, why do you dress me like this? She's like, if you like it so much, why don't you dress yourself like this? Oh? She told you she did. I was like, you just have to look at always, And

so all these little things starting adding up for me. Oh, I've always wanted to like, you know, that comment always stuck in my mind. If you like it so much, why don't you do it on you instead of me? Like, like, I'm not your mannequin. That's pretty much what she told me. And what happened is after I was doing this inventory on myself and I realized that a lot of my resentment was towards women. A lot of reasonings I had towards women because they had what I yearned to have.

You know, the moment that I started wearing makeup and letting my hair grow out, and that I started getting breast development from the hormones and my skin got thinner like that, the moment that all these things started changing in me, it was like I started seeing in color, Like the light just went on, So you were like blossoming right before your eyes. I was I remember, I have an interesting story. I remember I said, Okay, if I'm going to be a woman, I need to learn

how to do makeup. I need to be able to do my own makeup. So I went to the school in New York. I took this makeup course, came back, and I was so excited. I kept practicing at night. But then I was like, I have to practice on people too, And I was going to your mom's concert. My coworkers and I were going to a Jenny Rita concert in some of Casino, no Way. And this was my first outing full time as a woman, Like it was like my first big event where I was going

to be around a lot of people. And so we're in the car and I turned on and tell my friend Blankie that my co worker. I'm like, I might get to let me practice on you. And she's like, okay, do it. So I started giving her like, you know, We're in the backseat of a car and I'm giving like a smoky eyeshadow kind of look. And I'm fresh out of school. I don't know what the funk I'm doing. We get to the concert and she looks like a

fucking raccoon. Like so she's like, okay, let's go fix it a little bit and like okay, and I'm like, I'm me dressed as a woman. My hair wasn't that long at that point, but I think I had like a half wig. And I was wearing these wedges, tight jeans, a tank top, and I was fucking scare cheekys because here I am at a big event. They're gonna clock me, they're gonna name call me, They're gonna they're gonna like I'm going down right? But did you feel fabulous though?

Or you were more scared? I felt fabulous and it was mortified. And the moment your mom came out and started seeing, I let go of all those fears and I had a wonderful time and I felt like myself like free. I felt so fucking free. You felt alive. I felt alive. And nobody talks it to me, Nobody name called me. Everybody was just having fun, enjoying the moment. And I was like, Okay, this is who I am.

So is it safe to say that my mother was like your Marina, she's your Marina of like, you know Emmy, the birth of Emmy being out and out of being like that was like my first big event. And I remember, just because you know, you never know what's going to happen, Like, oh my god, what do I do that? You know, how do I act? Are people gonna be staring at me? Are they gonna throw things at me? Or they're gonna

call me things? Are they gonna beat me up? All these things were like valid fears that I had as a trans woman at the time, for sure, because I was still like I didn't look like this, that's for sure. But you had a good time. It makes me so happy, had an amazing time. It's good. That makes me so happy. Honestly, shout out to my mama. She had the best concerts as someone who is transgender, and also as someone who works in the entertainment industry because you are an actor

and now you have your podcast. Do you think that we're making progress on representation and TV and film? I love that you're asking that because that's one of the conversations that I keep having with my colleagues, that I keep having with casting directors, with you know, my representation diversity in Hollywood. We're making progress, we are, We're not

there yet, So it's like a little dab. It's a little dab, yes, And you know, there have been a lot more roles available for the lgbt Q plus community. I love seeing that we're not there yet. We still have a lot of work to do. But what do you think, I mean is the challenge though? Like what what's stopping the progress in the industry. I really feel it's a lot about education. We for many years, I mean, I have lived in a heterosis world, so really it's

about continuing to educate. And it's not about pushing agendas on anyone. Like I hate seeing that when when I when I like, I saw a post her day and they were like, stop trying to push your agenda on us. You know, it's about like being loving and accepting towards all. There's space for us all I think and get that fact that I'm a firm believer in that. This is why I wanted to And I'm glad you have your podcast and we're gonna talk about that right now. But

like with these podcasts, it's speaking about these things. It's is kind of like live and let live. If I'm not doing anything to harm you, let me live my life, you know what I mean. And that's something that I'm glad that we can talk about. And now I can see it more than ever. It's it's stuff that is being more accepted. But yes, guys, live and let live and worry about yourself and what you can do right to better yourself. And I'm talking about the people that

are listening and just in general. Yeah, I mean, if you have love and respect for humanity, that's so helpful. I don't have any sort of like disrespect towards somebody who doesn't align with the same beliefs that I do. Know, I let them be. If they don't mess with me, I'm not going to mess with them, right, It's just exactly, And I mean I was always like this. This came from like working on myself, trying to be a better

version of whom I was yesterday. Yeah, exactly. Every day we've got to be a better version of ourselves and focus on the things that we could change within. And that also helps you, like not focusing so much on what other people are doing or not doing. People that are listening to us that also are transgender or part of the LGBT plus community, like, what do you have to tell them? Can you tell them something like to you know, give them some type of some words of

inspiration empowerment. Absolutely don't let fear hold you back. That's what held me back. I was so scared. After I transitioned, I was like, there's no fucking way I'm gonna be able to be an actor. There's no way. This was before we had what we have now today we have people who have paved the way for us. Right, So I was like, oh, what am I going to do now? Like, there's nothing else that I want to do. I had so much fear. I was scared. Don't let that hold

you back. If you want something, go for it. I'm a strong believer that what's meant for you is meant for you, and I wish that I had the knowledge and wisdom that I have today back then to just go for it. I'm always a fucking way bloomer at everything. That's just like, but hey, late bloomer or not, are doing it and you haven't given up on your dreams, and I honestly I applaud you for that. Are you

in a relationship? Are you in love? Well, I guess you're gonna have to listen to the podcast to find out A nice answer, girl, very nice, because okay, perfect, I'm gonna for sure listen so I can find out my answer to that question. So tell us tell us about the podcast. Actually tell us about crumbs and white crumbs. I'll tell you what crumbs. The show about things that we settle for in life and the bits of ourselves that make up our identity. That's what the show is about.

And so in Crumbs, I talk about what it's like to be dating for a trans woman. I talk about different relationships that I've had and what kind of crumbs I've settled for just to feel like I'm loved, just to feel like somebody wants me. Oh my goodness, I love that. So every relationship I'm talking about what fucking crumb I received, what I learned from it, which I've grown from it. So from the first episode to the last episode, you're going to see a completely different woman.

Oh my goodness. How exciting. Oh my gosh, congratulations on that. Thank you. Well, it's not just about dating. It's also settling for crumbs in our relationships with our family. And you know, I have, like I have some sort of a backstory with my family. So yes, you know what. I love that. I think it's necessary, it's needed. I'm

excited to listen to Crumbs. Honestly, because I have been through my share of relationships where I have settled to settle, but I don't regret those relationships because, like you just said, you learn from every experience. Every person that comes into your life is a teacher to teach you something for the next person. Was it hard to pitch the podcast? Oh? You know what's so funny, I'll tell you how it happened.

What happened is I started speaking a lot at top Step recovery meetings and people would come up to me after the podium. You. I talked about my story, worry about the growing, my childhood, what it was like, what happened, my turning point with drugs and alcohol, and what happened after, which is like transitioning, Like holy sh it, you know, and people are just like, oh my god, you need to write a book about this. This is such a

good story. You need to write a book. And I've spoken all over the country in Canada, like I've been very fortunate to get to be able to tell my story. And so finally I sat down on one day I was like, you know, I'm gonna write the book. Why not? Because if it can help somebody not kill themselves, then that's contributing to something. So I wrote the book and I started. You know, I had made a couple friends that are in the entertainment industry, and I got some

testimonials from them from my book. And then they said somebody said called me. When they're like, hey, I mean, do you mind if I share your book proposal with this producer that I know, I'm like, no, go ahead. So that's how the podcast came about. They're interested in my story, they feel like it could help people, and so that's how it happened. The book's not out yet, that's thing, like the books not out yet, but they read the proposal and they were like, let's do a

podcast about this. I love that because we don't hear stories like this very often. So now that you have this space with your podcast to share that, I think that's wonderful. This is this is already like showing us that it's it's becoming more. And I don't even know if the word is accepted, because it's not the word that I'm looking for, you know what I mean. But it's like, yeah, and I know what you're trying to say. It's normalized. That's the word. And I know exactly what

you mean. Like, I was so shocked because the other day I got an audition for trans lead Mexican movie, Like that was the first time I've ever seen that, and I was like, whoa, this is fucking awesome in a Mexican movie. Let's transgender, and it was. I was just so like, mind blown. That's good. And that's why I did the podcast in Spanish as well, right, because I want to be able to cater to that market,

our Latin Hispanic community. Honestly, I sent men Ganza and it's because of women like you that are open enough to share their stories that are going to change the game in the transgender community, in the l g B t Q plus community, honestly, because it's important. The only way to change lives is to be honest, be brutally honest, the good of the bad, of the ugly, harry, all of it. Yeah, and that's how you're going to change lives. And this is how we're going to get more roles,

you know what I mean, and more podcasts. And that makes me happy. That makes me, honestly, it makes me really happy. Thank you, thank you, congratulations on that. I'm really really humble that you had me on your show. I really appreciate that, of course, of course, I mean honestly, I'm grateful. I'm grateful that you came on Chickens and Chill and we're talking about a subject on them. Thank

you for being open again, guys. You guys can listen to her podcast Crumbs and guys, we're going to plug in some l g B t Q resources in the show notes for anyone who needs them. Before we wrap up today's episode, I'm going to leave you with a motivational quote. Like you guys know me and my quotes, so today is I stand for honesty, equality, kindness, compassion, treating people the way you want to be treated, and helping those in need to meet Those are traditional values.

It's a quote that I found and I liked it because we were just talking about live and let live you guys, because it is important. So hopefully you guys did learn a lot on this podcast and Emmy again, which yes, um My, honor, thank you. I'm just so grateful for you for having the space for me, for us, for our community. I think it's so important that we talk about and continue to educate ourselves. I'm really excited

for crumbs. I hope that in me something for you too. Oh, thank you so much, Emmie, you guys, thank you so much for listening to this episode of Chickens and Chill. This is a production of I Heart Radio and Michael Tura podcast Network. Follow us on Instagram at Michael Tura Podcasts and follow me Cheeks that's c h i q u i s. For more podcasts from my heart, visit the I Heart Radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.