Jacqie: Sister, Mother and CEO

beautiful people, Gonna stands Moivian. Welcome to today's episode of Chicks and Chill. I'm so, so so happy you're here today. I'm going to be joined by one of my siblings to talk about our relationship and how she juggles being a mom, a wife, and the CEO of Jennie Rivera Enterprises. I think you're really a joy this episode. So let's get right into it. This is Chickens and Chill, you guys. I am so excited to have my sister, Jackie Rivera

compos That's correct, right, sister, Yes, Jackie? Yes? Yes, okay, perfect because she is married my sister, so we don't hear from Jackie too often. So this is a very rare and amazing opportunity. So Jackie, welcome to Chickens and chill sister. Thank you, sister, Thank you big. I'm so happy to be here. Of course, I love you. I'm

so happy we were able to make it happen. And you guys, Jackie doesn't spell her name like regular Jackie's like j A c k i E. She spells it j A c q i E. Just so that you're only different. My sister is thank you, sister, thank you for putting some respect on my name. I know sometimes I she was here at my house the other day and I have a pet peeve when people leave their water bottles like half empty or half fool. So I put her name, I put Jack's and she's like, this

is not how you spell my name. She was very upset. So I said, oh, ship, let me just say that on on the podcast where people are aware. You're like mom when they used to put a Y instead of a Yeah. She hated it. Yeah, I think it's perfect. It's very you, very cute. Jackie has always been different. Okay, So I'm the eldest and Jackie and I are about four years apart. Uh four years, right, yeah, four years four years And I think and correct me if I'm wrong, sister.

But since I was the oldest and I was I think so scared of mom, like I wanted her approval, you were kind of more like the rebel. You're like, I don't want to be like like I always wanted to kind of do things right and make mom happy and kind of like a little soldier. And you were like, I don't give a damn. Uh huh, I don't give damn. She would go to school and wear her Andy's on top of her pants and were two two's and and I was so piste. Why pissed out? What? Because I

wanted to be different? Or maybe it's like I wanted to be seen. I don't know, yeah see, And I think that this is something that this is actually a great conversation. I wasn't even planning on having this, but it might be like a because I think it caused some friction because I don't want to say tension, but

maybe friction in our relationship. Because I was the eldest, my mom expected a lot for me, and I think my mom gave me a lot of attention, not because she loved me more, but because I had so many responsibilities. So I think you always felt like, hello, ex see, still I'm here, like you know what I mean? Like you,

I think we're more rebellious. I wanted to be rebellious, and I was rebellious, but very secretly like a lot of things that were in Yeah, I would do things that Mom she never even knew about, but like you were all about it, like loud and like I am who I am not knowing that like Mom appreciated that. Mom was like she's like me, she doesn't give a ship, Like she's gonna do whatever she want. She's going to make it in life because she's she's a rebel. She

would tell me that. And I was always more like a little bit more like I don't know now I'm different, But I think I think you were that way because we needed some stability. Like I remember you getting us ready for school, You're getting me ready for picture days, you know, just making sure everything was good, making sure everyone did their homework, so that you had to be the stability. Not that Mom wasn't stable, but she was working.

So then for me, I think it kind of made me feel like I have like I don't know what I have to offer, because that that position was already taken, like the fact that mom could lean on you can count on you, you know, you were the stable one.

So I guess I was kind of like, well, I'm gonna be the crazy one or the wild one or do whatever, you know, and and yeah, and it's it's crazy now that like we're talking about it, like and I want to kind of set the you know, the record straight, because I think on social media people have tried to cause this division between yes, this is yeah, I know, and it's it's we've talked about and sometimes I have fallen into like, you know, like reading certain

things this is before because I haven't like maybe like two years ago, three years ago, where I would be like and it would cause like that distance between us until I got smart and I'm like, I just need to talk to my sister and ask her straight up,

like you know, and we learned. But it's also because we were so we exposed our life and especially with the reality show, and we shared things that people probably didn't have to know, but because we want to change the world, shared intimate moments that we had that things that happened, and I think every family, every sister, like sisters go through this. It just happened to put it out there on cameras, so people kind of started choosing sides,

and I'm like, dude, it's not about that. It's not about having sides and trying to put us against each other. You know, I'm so grateful for this moment because it is frustrating, like people come and comment or you know, like there's people that have like TikTok's of them reading

your book, like they're making it like audio version. So then I get tagged on the parts where there's about me, and I'm like, dude, they're so past this, you know, we're so past like the little moments that we've had, which is like and I'm glad for our communication because some people don't talk forever. But I'm like, no, we're gonna we're fighting for our relationship and we're not there anymore.

And I'm just you know, I'm grateful for that. But it does come up a few times I'm like, whatever, I used to like want to clarify, but I'm like, dude, I don't even know these people, Like I'm never gonna see this person ever in my whole life. But I think naturally because of we're human, like the little they're still can be a hundred positive comments and then that one negative one that's against you or trying to cause division,

kind of like the one that sticks. So I've had to learn to change that within myself, like it doesn't matter, like not everyone's gonna be your number one fan, so I have to be open to that. But I am. I'm glad that we're setting it straight because people need to know. I was your bestest friend. So my very first best friend, my very first best friend, my best is friend, and we have been very close and we

are very close. Like I talked to my sister almost every other day every day, like thank God my siblings and are very very close. And I wanted to apologize to you, sister, because you were okay with it. When I wrote Forgiveness, the very first book, I was like, sister, I'm going to talk about this because that's part of my journey. But I wasn't doing it to make anybody look back like it was because I needed to heal

and I needed to also hopefully help people. So hopefully if you guys haven't read the book and you're going to read it or any of my books that you understand, you guys, that it's a way of just this outgand limit and expressing something that happened. But my sister, my siblings, and I think are better than ever and I wanted to just put that out there. And I'm not ever going to be okay with anyone attacking any of my siblings,

any of them. So when I see certain things and it pisces me off and I'm like, I just want to go and tell everyone, Like but I'm like, you know what, it's okay. We know we're fine, but I didn't want to be And now we got that out of the way. Now we can talk about the mother. Because Jackie became a mom at you were wet twenty sister, Yeah, three days before it turned twenty, and she told me to cry. Oh, I remember that day when you took a pregnancy testing, Like, how am I going to tell Mom?

How am I going to tell Mom? I was like, because I know the soft spot Mom had for you, where she was like she saw so much of herself and you that I knew you were so scared to tell her. And I remember took a pregnancy test together. Remember, yeah, I don't know if it was Sevas or Walgreens, I don't know what, but we took we I'm like, just take one with me, and you're like, okay, fine, we take it together. And then we take it well and you're like, oh my god, my looks different from yours.

And I'm like, oh ship, she's pregnant. But but thank god because it changed my mother's weakn world. You guys, I remember your mom was taking a nap in her room and she's like, how am I going to tell mom? And I'm like, I don't know. You just gotta freaking tell her. It's okay, You're gonna be fine. Remember I pushed her. I literally pushed her into the room. I said okay here, and she's like, stayed quet with her little face. We're just there. She was kind of trying

to she was to say what's going on? I said, Jackie has something to tell you. She's like me, how what what's going on? I'm pregnant and she said I remember, And we were all crying and Mom was like, oh me, how come he or that's all so she just think it's okay, we'll figure it out and Let's be honest. If it would have been me pregnant, my mom would have been very pissed. But with Jackie, it's just I think it happened all the way it was supposed to happen the way like Jay look came into it, came

into our lives and changed our lives completely. And now Jackie has four kids. Um, so there's Jay lothers, Genevieve, Jordan, and Julian Um. And now she's she's a wife. She still yes, you're a wiving, You're a good sister. Should be proud of yourself, you know, well if you were really emotional, because I think like right now that you said, you know, when I turned nineteen or whatever, I got pregnant, Like that's the moment like everything changed. Like I remember,

we were always together. We were always like, you know, doing everything together, getting our nails together, all these crazy things, and that's what shifted. Like that's where like I stopped

being your baby and then became a mom. And I'm like, dude, it's just crazy because I remember we used to tell each other we're never gonna get married, and we're gonna grow old together and we're going to live in the same house, and now I went in this sister, I know, I remember we honestly, I did everything with you, and we would go. I had my little probe, the black one, to the club. They'll take care of the clubs, you guys.

I snuck out one day in this little bitch. She's like, I'm gonna tell them if you don't take me with you. And I was like, oh my god, in the middle of the night to go to the races, you guys, so here here I am taking out. Was fourteen, taking my ten year old sister, sneaking her out of the window to go with me to the damn races at two o'clock in the morning. Well, my mom was asleep. She remember I was wearing overalls. I addressed your friend. Oh, they called him wreck. He was like a freaking I

don't know, like a breaker, a breakdancer. So um. Anyway, so we did. We did do everything together. We would like drive and lay under the trees together and listen to music and we would have our window put down moments. If the song was good, like it's a window put down, let's put the window down, you would sing. But then yeah, then things shifted and you became a mom and you

went through your things. Now you're CEO of January very crisis, and I can't be more proud you, guys, because earlier when Jackie said, you said something that stuck out to me when you're like, how can I be of assistance to Mom? And I think you felt for a long time like I'm a little bit of an outsider or because Mom and I were so close and we did everything together, we built the empire that you felt like, well, what am I like? You know what I mean? Now?

And it's crazy because I feel like like I'm doing something. I feel like I did my part with Mom, and now you're doing I don't know. You're so good at this. You're so fucking good, Like I see the growth. There's times you, guys, when I'm like, sister, what's going on with this? Do I have to? Like I get upset and She's like, don't worry. They're gonna fucking be sorry.

They messed with us. This is Jackie. She's grown so much, like from this shy girl to this whole last woman and CEO And I'm so I can't say it, and I'm so freaking proud of you, Jacqueline, Like thanks. It's crazy. So tell us about that. How has that been for you? Well, it's it's definitely been a learning curve. I remember, um, when do we we have the discussion of me making the vision to like take the step and like, okay,

I wasn't sure if I could do it. To be honest, I was like, I don't know if I can do this. I don't know. I guess because I've always been the type to like second guest myself. I think I do a pretty good front of like you know, up front, like oh I got this, But I feel like I've always been like I don't know if I'm smart enough. I don't know if I'm brave enough. I don't I don't know too much of this business because I've never

liked the music business. I feel like it's just a mess. Um. But I remember like we had a conversation all the siblings and everyone's like you can do it. I'm like, okay, if they think I can do this, and maybe I can do this. And then and then the beginning of last year was just insane because there was like a

lot of crying going on. There was a lot of like it's just really really scary stepping into places with business people and and just people who seem like they have it all together, and I felt like such a little person. But fast forwarding to the end of you know, last year, and now I feel like I feel like I can sit in a place like that and know who I am and have my head held high and

just being the authority. Like maybe I don't have all the you know, I don't know all the terms or I don't know everything, but I know who I am as Jenny's daughter, and I know that I can take these decisions and take it back to you guys, and and you know, like I just feel good, you know, I don't know, I feel like I've found my voice.

And even in that, like I feel like you've had that moment with Mom in the beginning, Like I feel like you couldn't be who you are now if you weren't, you know, the second Mom, if you weren't the one making the decisions and for us, you know, like you just gained that voice and not even more after everything you've gone through. So I feel like I've had that

moment as well. Obviously Mom's not here to walk me through it, but I feel like I've had the moment where like, no, you hold your head up, pie, you have a voice, you have authority, you are smart, you know. So I don't know. I just I'm sure if I feel good. You are the daughter of of a queen, of a woman that showed us so much, that showed me so much that now I could you know, we've

taught you guys, And I just I don't know. It's crazy because it's like you you're four years younger than me, but I I feel so freaking proud, like if it was mom, Like I I'm like, dude, this is crazy. How how things work out. And one thing I did want to also say, because I have heard like a lot of people and even family members have said that they think that I was the one that that made you step into this and and cause Johnny to do the yeah, to do the yeah, to ask for the

accounting and stuff. And it was like, dude, if you guys only knew that's that's not the case. Jackie was like, Okay, well things can be different. There are things that we're not happy with, and she's like maybe it's my time, and we pushed her to it. We're like, yes, if you feel like yeah, because she was always second after after the previous um trustee. She was always second, like

on the will and on the trust and everything. So it was just a matter of Jackie being ready and she went in and she was honest and was like, I I don't know. I'm like, well, we're gonna help you. We're gonna put the right people. And you've done such a good job. And what I love about you and meetings that we've been at and I've been there to see is you ask questions like you're not afraid, and that's something Mom taught me, and I think that this

is an important lesson for people. Like if you sit in a room and there's something you don't understand, you're like, I'm sorry, but I don't know what that means. Can you explain it to me? Like, I've seen you say that, and that's shows so much. There's so much strength and beauty in vulnerability. And I've seen you like, hey, I don't know what that means. Can you explain it? And that's beautiful Jack's because that's you learning and I've and

I've am I dude, I'm like, we have meetings. You guys were like on a group chat or like on conversations and my sister's like talking all this like all this language, and I'm like, oh my god, I didn't even know that you know what I mean. So I'm learning from you. So it's it's good. And do you feel completely different from it's been a year. It's been a year since you've been in this position. You're completely like, how do you feel now? Like a year later, I feel, Um,

I feel like I've the right person for the job. Um. And I didn't know that a year ago. I I remember I brought it up and I was so nervous to bring it up, to step into that place. Um, but I did it, like because I was just like, dude, like for years I knew that, Okay, you're the next person up. But I was like when I heard the previous trustee always you know, complaining, candle say like, I just don't you know, I could have always stepped up,

but I didn't feel that urge. But the previous like not last year, but the year before it was just crazy. We know how crazy that was. And I was like someone used to step in and I felt it, you know, like I felt like I have to do this, and and having your guys back up obviously really really helped me believe in myself. And now a year later, I'm like, I know, it's not like I believe because believe. It's like I don't know it yet, but I believe I could do it. Now. I know now, I know, like

this is where this is good. I can do this, And I feel like I'm I'm the right person for the job because it's not like I don't want to say too much because it doesn't matter with the previous people. But I feel like I have a great relationship with my siblings and it's it's like I'm just the one spearheading, but it's all of us together. It's not like I can't I don't have a good relationship and I have to figure it out on my own, you know. I

just I don't know. I just I feel you don't have like what I love is like you're not on a power trip. You're not like not like an ego thing for you. Like I want to handle it with grace. And I'm not just saying it because she's my sister, you guys, But she's always praying, she doesn't make impulsive decisions.

She's like always just okay, wait, let me see what my siblings think, and we we talk literally saying the table and we talk it through and sometimes if we're outnumbered, we're out numbered and we go with whoever, like whoever decided. Like we respect each other that much. And I always tell my siblings, whether I'm the oldest or not, it's like, respect your sister's position. Respect your sister. I understand you need to talk to her because she's it's a difficult

thing you're a sibling. But I also tell you you are also a CEO, so you have to learn to balanced that and not let emotions because I think that's what happened previously with the previous administration is too many emotions were involved and it's like, wait, what's going to be best for the artist that you're represented? And that's hard, but I think you've you've done it very well. And because we have so much respect for each other as as a whole, that we're all like, okay, Jackie is

the leader and we got to respect that. And I think that that's important. You guys, thank your sister. I really want to thank you for that because that's really empowered me. You know, you've always you know, you're the big sister, like you're the big sister. But when you've taken a decision to be like no, like you know, you've said, what does Jackie thinker, what does Jackie sayer? No, you have to tell Jackie Like, those moments have really

empowered me. And I want to say thank you for that, because for me, I think I've naturally like shrunk for whatever things in my life have happened. I'm naturally just shrunk and made myself smaller. But when you make those you make it very clear that it's my position. Those you I mean unconsciously or you know, but it has empowered me. So I just want to say thank you for that. You're so welcome, sister, and I promise you I mean it, And I don't know how you do it.

And that's why I'm like, I don't know would it even be, Like I don't even want to imagine, especially like right now, if I were in your position and I have no kids, like you are a full last mother of four and you're a wife, and you have your own business VI Colores and you guys check that out.

We'll give them all that information afterwards. But she has her own business of T shirts that Colores and she also runs Jenny River Enterprises, and I feel like I'm busy, but I'm like, shit, how does my sister do it? There's times when she's texting me at five in the morning and I'm now starting to get up like that again now, but like, I'm like, dude, how the She's like, well, I have to work out before I go to work

and have to take the kids to school. And I'm just like, She'll send us videos at seven in the morning with all the kids and they're going to school, and I'm just like, how, Like, how have you managed

to juggle everything, sister? Like being in such a strong position having a husband to understand that that's another thing, you know that I'm like, and I see Mike, her husband, you guys, she's I see the difference in him where he's because he lets you be Jackie and he lets you shine, And that takes a lot of balls in a man to say, I'm here, I'm gonna take care of my kids. I'm gonna let my wife do her thing, you know. And she also sings, oh my god, you guys, sister,

so tell us, how do you do it? Like, honestly, I think it's a it's an accumulation of all those things, you know. Um, And now I completely understand why Mom always woke up early like that. Lady was always up before everyone, and I'm like, why doesn't she sleep? And now I understand, Like I just it's the waking up early. It's honestly having Mike. He's completely different man, and he knows that whatever it is that he has that can

help me, like just be be my person. He takes that so seriously and he does it with so much love that I can have the peace of mind that you know, my kids are being taken care of. Sometimes when I have late, late days, he he handles it. Um. So it's just it's that and and really just waking up early. And more than anything, I was very afraid. Um. I didn't want to sacrifice my relationship with my kids.

I know each all of us had felt that when we were growing up, and that's always been like, um, in the back of my head, even with the colts or when I made the decision to really focus on my music, I was like, I want to do this. It's my passion, it's what I love, but not at the expense of my relationship. With my children. So I've

always said after six pm, there's no work. I'm not I'm not working, and and it's been really hard because there's always something that's a pressing issue, the decision that needs to be made now. But I've always told myself it doesn't need to be made now. You want it to be now, but it doesn't have to be. So I could wait until tomorrow when it's work hours because I need to help. I want to be there and help Jay the study for school. Um, which I want

you to know that she got honor roll again my princess. Yes, I am a proud of mother, but it's she's not God daughter. Yes. So it's it's me making the conscious decision to like after six I'm not gonna swear any phone calls for many lawyers or anything like that, or or on the weekends, like I have that time with them and it's the family time. Um. But it's just

reminding myself. So scheduling, so you wake up to have me out, which is it's your time, okay, because I was going to ask you that, like because I've noted, I'm like, okay, there there. You have to have a schedule, like it's it's a routine, you know, to say, Okay, this is what's going to make me Jackie happy, and then have a make time for my kids. And I

think it's super awesome. She was telling me the other day we were eating or something, and she's like, yeah, we have She puts all of the kids phone, all of their phones at it like charging center where no one can grab it, right or something like that can explain, which I think is super cool. Yeah. So so for for me, Jayla just got her phone, so I wanted to hold it off as much as I could. But now in the age that we're living and she needs a phone. She's thirteen, which is not that bad because

I think that's the age I had mine. Um, but I don't want her to be addicted to the screen. And it's also helping me not be aded to my screen. So we all charge our tablets our phones in the same section. It doesn't it's not even with me at nighttime, it's not even with her at nighttime. Everybody charges it in the same section and we get to focus on us time. So everyone is off their phone by eight and everybody knows so and wow, I think that's awesome.

I think everyone should practice that. I need to do that, like I really do. I've been wanting to put my phone in my bathroom like away from me for so long, so that I'm attempted to, like, you know, like when I'm I need to go to bed, you know, and I start thinking. And then it also helps because the alarm is set up at a certain time, so I have to get up and just arm it, so I'm already out of bed, and then we have to go to the gym there also, that's good, okay, And do

you do you and Mike have like date nights? Uh? We we try to our best. Mikey actually did offer to take care of the kids so that me and Mike can have a day time and we took my Varne that yeah, Mike care brother. But yeah, for sure, I think that's good. I think that you are definitely in a in a much better place within your relationship. And I would just want to give us a round of applause to Mike. Hopefully here's my podcast. But I think that it's super awesome, you know, like that you

freaking Mike, if you're hearing, hopefully you do. Thank you for loving my sister. And I see the change, and I love it and I'm just happy and I can't wait to go to the like you know, if you guys get married again. But we are, we are, We're going to renew our vowels and honestly, like, I'm so happy where we're at. So thank you for acknowledging that, Sister,

My husband easy. But it's like how you said, like everything had to happen the way it did, and even us not being together for that long changed him, changed me. Now we came back together and separated. You were separated for three years, three years for three years, you know what.

Maybe now I had got an idea you guys should come on together as a couple and talk about that if you guys wouldn't mind like having an episode of relationships, and I think we can all learn from it, you know, because yeah, a lot of people don't come back from what you guys went through. You know, like literally, you guys were separated for a while and it really did strengthen your love. And I see it. I see he's

completely different. You're different. Like it's just you guys are in a great place and and I'm happy for you, which is continues to grow. But but yeah, I mean, and we just had a sister a spat sister day you guys. That was a few weeks ago. Yeah, that was awesome and I was happy that you, like you took the time off. So it's like you're really being intentional about I'm gonna work, but I'm also going to have me days like me You're you days. I've always told you that is when you became a mom for

the first time. Actually, with Genevieve, Jayla, even Jordan's, I would have to remind to, like, sister, get your nails done, like you need to like have time for you. And I see that you do. Like your nails look great, your hair looks great. You're taking care of Jackie too. That's good. Thank you, sister. Yeah, until all the mommies out there, I admire you all because I remember I remember you would always tell me, like it's important take

care of yourself. Yeah, since I since they were little, my sister's no, I was the one that makes sure you shave, make sure you know your skincare, and put your blog, put on yourself there everything. Yes, so I'm still that person. So um anyways, sister, actually, yes, I do want you to plug in the colors, tell us where they can find it, where they can shop, because that's important, that's your business. Thank you so much, sister.

So right now we are strictly online at the gold Threads dot com, but we're working on having it at Jennior Very Fashion in the brim all along with Cheekies and stuff check is um Merch and you know the be Flawless and then Jessica stuff. So we're trying to get all that so they can have a physical location. Yeah,

I'm excited for that. I know that for all of us last year, at the beginning of last year, when all this huge transition started and happened, we all were going through stuff, and I know you had this huge anxiety attack to like felt I think it was distress maybe or what do you think, like because you went to the hospital like you were so stressed out right, Yeah, so it was it was a panic attack. Um. I didn't know that I struggled with anxiety, but apparently I do.

Janica had said that being forgetful it's like anxiousness. Um. I had struggled with a lot one Mike and I were not together, but with this change, I think I put a lot of pressure on myself, and I wasn't sleeping. There was a lot of like decisions needed to be made, and I just wasn't sleeping. I wasn't, really, like you said, the importance of taking care of ourselves. I wasn't doing the things I usually do as I like making sure I'm drinking of water. Sleeping is so important, and um,

I don't know what happened. I remember I felt like I was like bleeding from the inside. So this was all mental though it's it's a mental thing. And and I was like, I'm dying. I'm dying, and poor my kids were there and everyone was freaking out, and Mike was like, I remember the look on his face. I was like, we have to go to the hospital. I think I'm dying. And I literally felt like all the blood and my body was coming out of me. There's

nothing physical that could prove there was there. You could look at me, and I looked fine, but I felt it like the sensation of my fingers were getting tinglie and my toes were getting tingly, and I was getting dizzy. And I remember Mike rushing to the hospital and and Isabelle came to watch the kids and and and Mike couldn't get in because they wouldn't let him into the hospital. Yeah. Um, but I went into the hospital and they did they

took my blood and everything was normal. Everything was fine. I'm healthy physically. But I was there like she hasn't slept, she's she's dying, de hydrated. She had a panic attack. I thought that I was dying, literally like it was. It was very very scary, very like I can't I I really thought I was dying. Like and I remember I was calling you. I remember I left you a voice message. Yeah, that was I was trying to call you guys to say bye to you guys because I

thought I was dying. Good. It was. It was insane. And then I remember I was they put me in a wheelchair and I was looking at the lights and and I felt like if I fell asleep, I said, So I was fighting to stay awake so that I wouldn't die. But really my body wanted me to sleep, wanted me to rest. It was really crazy. It was very scary. But and how's how's your mental your mental health now? How do you are you feeling better? Do

you have your feel better since that time? Mike really like he's like, okay, like you need to sleep, like because sometimes he'd let me just stay up and and I think that was when there was a switch, like he kind of like really stepped in like okay, babe, like like let's all go to sleep, let's rest, make sure you're eating, make sure, I think because I was so busy on making sure that, like I was, you know, taking care of everything. I had to take care of me.

And though it was just I don't know, like it was a weird I don't know if without saying too much about what's happening in the business, like I think it was just a really stressful time and I was

so consumed by that. And and now you know, it's the little changes where Mike's like we have conversations about what's going on, so that I convent because I felt like I had to take all the load to not stress you know, you guys out or or him out, and even just the pressure of like I need to make sure that I do it right I I And

now now I know that I don't. I don't have to put that much pressure on me because I have your guys, like I know it, Like I think before I had this misconception of like I have to show that I'm there really working, you know, I don't know. It's just myself, not that anyone made me feel that way, and I get that. So now it's it's the little things like not having my phone with me and not staying up too late, and it's all those little things.

I feel better. There's moments where I obviously there's decisions that need to be made and just situations that happened. But I'm like, I'm not I'm just gonna pray and give it to God, like me staying up, it's going to change the situation. Yeah. Do you feel like that was your wake up call, like where you're like, Okay, I need to make changes. Okay, Yeah yeah, and I didn't. Thank goodness that Mike is there to like support you and tell you, hey, um it's time to go to bed.

I think, yeah, it's all about that. It's balancing your life. Maybe you were just so far the other way that it's just finding that balance. That's one thing that is so important for your mental health, for your physical health. So so I'm like, of course scared that that happened, and I'm like, oh my god, it freaks me out. But in a way, I'm like, Okay, that's God saying, hey Jack, sit down for a little bit, you know,

and are you still doing therapy or like you're not right? Yeah? Yeah, okay, good, Yeah, Yes, we have therapist. Guys. It's my sister and I. She's awesome. She's so awesome, and she ends every session with the prayer. So it just makes me feel good. So you guys were huge advocates for therapy. You guys know, almost in every episode of Chick, I'm always therapy, therapy, therapy, like it's just talking and then putting it out. It's so important,

you guys. So that's crazy, and I love that. I love that you're sharing that because I feel like in our generation. I feel like this generation, I don't know if we're millennials or whatever, but we're very much like take care of those issues, those internalized was the things

that aren't seen. I feel like the previous generation. I remember Mom didn't believe in like depression and like she didn't believe it getting sad like get up and she didn't and obviously like maybe that's what she needed to succeed. But I like to cry. I get it all out

like it's important. So I'm grateful and I feel like that's I remember, like even like Mom did not believe in organic Mom, I'm just like you know you were very much like you were the pivotal moment of like, no, this is important, and you know, I love it because now I'm healthy emotionally and all the areas. Yeah, because Mom was just like, let's just get ship done. Depressions in your mind and she didn't really get it, and

I understand. It's like now it's like you said, we're about self help and self love and self growth and really like trying to get this internal part in. Yeah. So I'm very proud of you. I am that I mean, and you actually my sister Jackie introduced me to my therapist. You guys, so this I mean, I had many therapists, but this last one, the one that I'm working with now. She gave me for my birthday? Was it right? You gave me a book? Um, she gave me a book which is took me way back to my tow when

we lived in Compton. What is a Chicken Soup for the Soup for the for the soul? And five sessions to this therapist tanyes So and I'm so grateful. She's so awesome. I love her so much because I'm glad. I've been telling sometimes like Tanya and talk to you. Can you take me today? She's like okay, yes, five PM. I'm like, okay, perfect, thank you. So um not only like I said you guys, is my sister, a mother,

a wife for CEO she has, She's an entrepreneur. She also is a singer, a very talented singer, beautiful singer. I have been her fans since the first time I heard her sing and also at church. She has the voice of an angel. Um. So, what's going on with their music? Well, I am working on my album. Um up, I'm working on it. I I'm balancing everything I'm doing

with my album. And that's more of a gift to myself because I kind of for some reason, I was wrote off singing like I'm like, I'm not gonna do this. I love it, but I'm not gonna do it. I'm afraid of the business. But I think now, like I made my two or three years ago, I just said, don't know, I need to do this album and just do it for myself, like show myself that I could do it, and then you know, life through curveballs and then positions shifted and changed. But I'm like, no, I

can't let that slip away. So we're almost done. I don't have like a date or anything yet, but um, I am working. Oh my god, I'm so excited. I have to tell you, guys, I didn't know she was working on an actual album, but actually did show me like a song. We had a sibling meeting a few weeks ago and she showed me a song, you guys, and I was like floored. I was like, what it. You've always been an amazing finger at jack, but this is another level and this song is so wow, one

of my favorite songs. I don't know, I just cannot. I can't wait for you guys to hear it. So I'm so happy they're working on this album. You know me, sister, we're going to have to have an album release party, you know. Oh my gosh, oh my god. Can you give us a little hint as to what kind of music. Maybe it's bilingual and it's like alternative, like rock. It's so fucking awesome. You guys are counting for you to hear it, and people are always asking sister for a

cheek ease and Jackie song. And I know, dude, yeah, I haven't every all the time, so we need to do it O say yeah, I mean the moment you got and I have a song in mind. I'll share that with you later because it has a bit surprise. But Jackie and I have a little surprise coming. We can't tell you how or what, but it's coming. It's already done. Um so, but we do need to do you something, you and I something like super different it so I would love that. And I just want to

say thank you for believing in me, sister. Why am I still emotional? Yes, I promise. Um. I just want to say thank you for believing in me. I know that it hasn't been easy because people are so cruel and negative and have tried to put us against each other, especially on the music side. Um. And I always tell people like my sister has something else, like you have this grace and charisma and the stage presence and your

voice has grown. But I just want to say thank you for supporting me and even like inviting me to be part of the concert in Nanaheim, like that did something in me of like I actually do like I love this, you know, so just it's every little thing. So I just I just want to say thank you, and I really appreciate you being the best big sister and just backing me and supporting me even when people

try to stupid. Yes, people can be a holes. But you know, I've learned, and it's taken me a while because for a long time I did feel like, oh my gosh, my sister has a better voice than me, and maybe this is what I'm supposed to do. We just have different voices. That's what I've learned. We have different voices, and I've learned to embrace my voice. And my voice is different, and I have my own light to shine and she has her own light to shine.

And it's not about competing or being better than each other or one another or it's about just embracing each other's talent, like knowing that I have something special and so does she, and so does my mom and so does everyone else. And people need to stop comparing and putting people against each other. That's just so not cool.

Like people are like Okay, Beyonce, Arihanna or Drake and like it's it's like, dude, it's always always Michael Jackson her prints like dude got again, Like I everyone has their own thing, like just stop with that. Like, and I'm not going to allow anyone's comment or anything to come between us. I embrace you completely as my baby sister, as an artist, like I admire you, and I admire so many other women. Why wouldn't I admire my own sister?

You know what I mean? I think, do you remember anything embarrassing, sister about like our child said, anything that you want to share, like something, I mean, besides the time that you were I was running around naked that we shared on Santa's podcast. But I'm trying to think what, Oh, sister, Yes, I don't know if we said the story before. Come on tell them that. Yes, I don't even remember that but her poop, yes, guys, Okay, so fine, I'll tell

the story. Go friends. Okay. So we lived in Compton and it was our house on Keene Street and Compton and um my mom and dad had just gotten back together and anyways, so our water wasn't working. My I don't know if mom forgot to pay the water bill or what happened, but the water was not working. So I woke up and I pooped. I was like five or something like that. Mom told, yeah, my mom told me not to poop, but hey, I'm five years old. I had a poop. So I got up and secretly

went to the bathroom. And I remember seeing my mom and my dad on the couch and I was like, I'm just gonna walk real slowly, took little poop. I went back to my room and there goes little She's most jack Jackie. There goes Jackie and goes after what did my sister go do? I went to the toilet and grabbed my little poop and it, Oh my god. She literally was like I remember. I was like, oh my god, Jackie is sid in her in her bed

and I was like, went to go. Look, you were in the toilet, on the toilet like literally had the settle thing. Sorry, that's such ad the poop in her hand, and she was like biting on it like it was a Snickers. You guys, I just got girls stout disgusting And then as a mom, like I put myself in that position and like with no water to clean me, there was no am like I'm sorry I had ap in there. Oh, but you weren't taking you a care of your sister. And I'm like, oh my gosh. But anyways,

that's a little story you guys. I swear I know Mom was pissed. Oh my god. Sorry. Johnny's here too. He's he's He's the one that reminded me of the poop story. Um, but you want to know something funny. So Jeneteve has bangs. My my second daughter has bangs, and I made me think of you, and they were like just all up in her face. They've they've grown out.

So I was like, I'm just gonna try to cut them, bro, And it made me think, like her brains are now above her eyebrows and her twick and it made me think of the time that you did that. I mean to you, it's because you're the secret is if you're gonna cut bangs, you guys, don't do it when the hair is wet. I was terrible, Yeah, because once they so, they're like twickles. I'll send you a picture. They're like my messed up. One side is higher than the other.

And I remember when you did that. I'm just like, okay, well, I mean whatever. But she's so kind, she's so sweet. She's like it's okay, mom me like, you can tell she's unhappy, but she like, it's okay, Mommy. They're going to grow out. Oh she's so sweet, My Jenny. We can just straighten them, just pin them back. That's what I did with you. I just could pick them back for a long time. But you, guys, I hope you really enjoyed this episode. I definitely did, sister. Thank you

for your time. Um. I love this conversation with so healing from my heart and hopefully people can listen to it and learn from us, and learn from you especially, and know that we're good. You and I are very good and we have been for a long time. And f the naysayers, f them, and to all my cheek ease and chill listeners. You guys know I always end my episodes with a quote, one or two, you know, So here's a quote. Sisters don't need words to understand

each other. They have did their own secret language of smiles, sniffs, size gasps, winks, and eye rolls. It's very true. Another one the greatest gift our parents ever gave us was each other. So thank you parents. Those are the two quotes, you guys, Oh my gosh, thank you so much. For for being with me and I love you, sister, and I'll see you so much. I love you with all my heart peace. Do you need advice on love, relationships, health? Imas.

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