Abortion and Reproductive Rights after Roe v. Wade

talk about a very important topic, reproductive rights. Back in June, the Supreme Court struck down Roe versus Weight. It's a previous landmark decision that granted women access to legal abortions for almost fifty years. So let's get into its cheeks and chill with me. Today is Patty Rodriguez, co host of the Michael podcast Out of the Shadows. Hi, Patty,

how are you? Hi? Chickies, thank you so much for having me here and inviting me to talk about something that's really important for our community, not just for all women, but for our community. I agree, Thank you so much. I'm so great. I'm so excited to hear what you have to say. We also have Emily is Stefan and her partner Jim. Can I call you Jim? Yes, their host of in our own world. Welcome, ladies, how are you? We are great, We're so honored to be here. We

are part of the Michael Duda her family. We are women, we are queer women, and that's an interesting perspective for us to analyze this argument. So thank you for inviting us. Thank you so much. We're so excited to be here. And last, but not least, we have our Lean son that now a development producer on the micro Network and Today's moderator. She's also very knowledgeable on this topic. So hi are Lean? How are you? Hi? Cheekies, Hi ladies,

how's everybody doing? We're good, awesome, I'm ready. This is such an important topic and I'm so grateful that you were able to lend your platform for us to have this conversation. We know that reproductive justice, that reproductive rights is an issue that disproportionately affects people from the Black, Indigenous and from our community. We know that this isn't just a woman's issue, that this is an issue that affects trans people as well as a non binary people.

And we've all had some time to process the Supreme Court's decision to overturn Roe v. Wade. So, without getting too much into the nitty gritty, I'd love for this conversation to be us highlighting voices from our community. So let's kick things off with you, cheek ease. Where were you when you heard the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade. What were your initial thoughts and what were your initial feelings? Oh?

My goodness, Um, I was in Dominican Republic. Actually, I was out there for my birthday, celebrating with with some girlfriends, and I heard the news and I was just like, honestly flabbergasted. I was I was upset. I was like, what is happening in the world? We were living in? Two? Like I automatically, Um, I posted something, reposted something, and of course I got some backlash. Um, people in my d M s, you know, saying and giving me their opinions.

And I was going to do this whole TikTok. Actually still have it saved, and I never posted it. It's crazy because I tried recording it like three or four times, um, because it would cut me off, and it's just there and I never posted it. So I said, you know what, I'm going to take it to my podcast because I think it is something that not just because I'm an artist and I'm a singer and I should just stay

away from politics. I think it's it is my god given right to to speak about my thoughts and how I feel and help other people, you know, and um, and that's what I'm doing, you know, But it was it was definitely disappointing for me. Patty. What about you were? Where were you? What do you remember from that day and what were you feeling? You know? Interesting enough, I was actually um landing UM into Washington, d c UM.

I was there for a convention and that evening after we wrapped up, UH took an over to the Supreme Court, and there was just so many feelings and emotions there, so much anger. I think. I think as as a country, we're just so discouraged by our government and the the fact that this is this is their framing what's happening as this religious reason, when I think the reality is not, that's not true. It's not it's it's I feel that it's about control and and that's what's heartbreaking and what

I feel we're not really understanding agreed. We're definitely going to talk about how our culture and religion intersect um. But before we do that, Emily Geminy, I'd love to hear your thoughts. Where were you when you hurt the news and what were your initial feelings. I think we were together, weren't we when we when we found this out um. To be honest, I don't remember the exact time and place, but what I do remember is the moment that I realized that they're trying to make us

feel that history is further away than it is. We're still living in a lifetime when women couldn't vote, when slavery was legal. You know, we have to take a step back and say yes, you know, at least in certain directions, we're going in the right direction. However, we're still in a world where we are discriminating against so many people that live among us, and some of those

people is gender sexuality, like you mentioned. But the bottom line is equality and that's something that we haven't gotten to yet. And that's why this issue is so feels so large right now, because we feel like we're in a bigger room than we are. They used to put things in history books in black and white that were in color to make us feel like they were further

away than they were. We need to be on the front line still being these voices and these platforms that you are offering us, because that's how we're going to change is continuing the conversation. Before, back in the day, you could even say the word gay. You could woman and voting. Ha ha ha, that's a joke. You know. Now we're able to talk about it. But we're still fighting. So that's why we're here. That's why we're having the conversation.

I don't remember when, but I every day remember how important it is, and that's what that's what sticks with me. But yeah, you remember, I guess yeah. I mean I think there was one thing that I read somewhere that it just stuck with me the whole day, which was the daughters that are being born today are being born with less rights than the country that I was born into because I was lucky enough to be born in America. And like Emily said, this is a way bigger thing.

And like you said, Patty, this is much bigger than just the rights that um uterous bearing individuals to to speak of everyone that this affects. Um are are trying to protect. This is about bodily autonomy. This is about anyone not allowing or not allowing the government to have a say on what we do with our bodies. That's our our god given right. Um. And and I think that more than anything, it was disheartening to to hear that news, but more more fuel to keep pushing forward

for a better future. For sure, Patty, you touched on this a little bit about this UM idea that our community. You know, we come from a culture where religion is sort of deeply rooted in who we are. Of course, not everyone comes from a religious background, not everyone was raised in that in that way, but it is part of of who we are as a community. So Cheekyes, I'd love for you to to kick this question off as well. You're someone who has said you believe in God,

but you're more of a spiritual person. Now, how do those two things, um intersect? For you? Can someone be religious and also be pro choice? You know what I think? Um, anyone can be whatever they want. You know what I mean? I guess in in in speaking for myself, UM, you know, growing up in a religious home, you know, we were Christian, UM. A lot of fear was was instilled a lot of of you know, if you don't do this, this is

gonna happen, You're gonna go straight to hell. And for a long time I believed it, you know, And thankfully I had an epiphany one day. And I am definitely more spiritual than than religious. And and I'm just the type of person that respects everyone's decisions. I'm very much let live and let live, um. And I think that, yeah, I mean, maybe you can be religious and be pro choice,

but I highly doubted. I haven't seen someone. And that's what upsets me the most about this whole thing is that they keep throwing the Bible at me, um or at us, and just throwing in what the Bible says and religion, and it's so much it's not it's not about that. It's so much more than that, you know. UM. But for sure people in my family that I no, obviously, UM. They they think that, UM, I cannot say that I love God and be okay with this is what they've they have told me. But I just have to say

one incredible thing. God and religion are two different things in my opinion, because you can believe in God, you can believe in the Almighty power, whatever connection you have with your God right, But religion as a constructors man made those books were written by humans, passed down by people who were faulted, who had issues themselves. So I believe in God, but religion, I'm not sure. And that doesn't mean that I'm not somebody who has faith, you know.

So that's where I feel for me that that line. Since you know, Patting, what about you? I know that you have some strong feelings about this, and it's a complicated. It can be a complicated conversation to have, especially when we're talking to people in our family who are very religious, like Cheekie said, and even sometimes talking to the older generation. How do those two things play out for you? Being

religious and being pro choice? It is very complicated because I believe in God, I believe in a higher power, I believe in life. Um. But I also I have a very hard time understanding the the the motives behind all of this. If you if you're these individuals who are making these decisions for us, if they really believe and these babies, and you know they they would they would invest in resources to ensure that every child survives

and thrives. That to me is what just it's makes it's it angers me because if it was really about the children, we would be investing and creating a foundation for for investing in ensuring that our children are healthy, that they're not living in poverty, that their their parents and family have a foundation to be able to raise their children in the way that we should all be raised. And that's not happening in this country. It's not happening. So if you can't just the minute that a child

is born, this government completely forgets about our children. We are we have the lowest education rates in the entire world. Our children are not provided with the resources that they need to thrive in this country and in the world, and that is what's heartbreaking. So I while I believe in life and I believe that um in God, in the Higher Power, what I don't believe is the reasoning behind the control that is being imposed on us. Don't come to me with this with this crap, because it

really is it is it is. It is frustrating because they are they're using this as a control mechanism. And um, I, like Chickie said, you decide, you have the right to choose what to do. We have the right to choose what to do with our bodies, um, and there's no other body that is being um control the way reproductive people's bodies are controlled. And if we don't see that reality, then this is only the beginning to just just a bigger heartbreak and problems in this country. I also love

that you mentioned that go ahead to me. Yeah, sorry, it just to me. You've got me thinking, Patty, it's really funny. How Also, we are trying to solve the problem of unwanted bread and sees um by looking at women. But last time I checked, women can't impregnate themselves. It is a man who impregnates a women, So why haven't we focused the conversation to them. And am a mother.

I'm a mother to two boys, and I want, I am hoping that I raised my children, my my two boys, knowing that this is not just a woman's problem, UM, and I hope other parents listening feel the same way too. And you know, we also see that when it comes down to this, it's always us who are the loudest. Um. Women are always fighting for all rights, and it's time for men to step up because this is not just

our problem. And as parents and mothers, we have a responsibility to raise boys to know that they're sharing the world with women and they're just as much responsible for it than we are. And it's it's enough that we're the only ones always fighting, um, and it's it's heartbreaking

and frustrating. I hear you want to have some strong thoughts on that one speak yes, no, absolutely, I mean yes, it's not just like like Jim said, you know, it's we don't impregnate ourselves, you know, so we shouldn't just be the only ones held quote unquote accountable, you know. And I highly believe that I am no one to tell another woman, another being what they can and cannot do with their body, Like who who am I? Like? That's am I going to take care of the child?

Am I going to say no, don't have an abortion? I'll take care of it. Like That's where I'm like, Okay, all these people that are voting and that are saying, okay, yes, you know, um, these women should not have abortions. Okay, Well are you going to take care of them? Are you going to provide for these children? You know? Because then we have an even bigger problem if you have if you're forced to have an unwanted child, There's gonna be a resentment there from the parent to the child.

The child is going to grow up upset and it's gonna cause so many It's the worst you can do. It's the worst you can do to a human being. Bring him to a world where they're they're not there's no love or they feel like they are support wanted, no support not just by the person birthing them, but by the entire country and the government. There's absolutely zero support for these children. Not only that, speaking as a queer woman, you know, I have been with men in

my life. I've experienced what it is to feel the responsibility of being a woman in a sexual relationship, because that's another thing. When you're with a male, I feel like oftentimes you feel like, oh, it's my problem, Like if this happens to me, it's on me, you know, I have to tell the guy and figure it out, and it's my burden. Absolutely, not like Jim and we're

just speaking about. However, at the same time, you know, we have to acknowledge that as queer women, when we decide to have a child, that we have to plan, that we have to figure out what we're gonna do, how best to love that child, how best to find somebody that needs love and we have the resources that we can give them, and so for example, there's so many children that perhaps somebody doesn't have the resources or love or you know, mental stability, which is so fair

because mental health is a really big thing and if you're not in a mentally well placed you should not be preparing people for this world, or even after or even after pregnancy postpadun depression of which is again very real and an entire, an entire thing that needs to be respected and talked about more because there's a lot

of shame about it. But anyway, so when we make the decision to go down that path to to find our child, you know, then we're going to love that child as if it is our own and give it the life that it deserves, which is why there are opportunities out there for people to be loved, just like in nature, just like we see in nature, you know,

mm hmm. Y'all talked about this a lot about this idea, how if this was really about pro life and about the children, then we would really be providing for those children after they are born and there's this element of economic control. Latina's people of color are already paid at such a lower rate than your white male person is

in this country. Can we talk about that a little bit, about the economic control and how this could potentially prevent women from going to college, from moving out of their parents house, from becoming independent. I'd love to hear y'all's thoughts on that, Patty. Can we start with you. Yeah, as a mother to two children, motherhood is the hardest, especially UM, as a parent trying to navigate a career.

I my mom came to this country from Mexico and she had three children, and I honestly don't know how she did it. UM. I would say, at the expense of her mental health. UM. And it shouldn't be that way from others. UM. It needs a village, and we no longer have that village. UM. Our ancestors had villages. It was a community that raised children. You never it's you don't raise children alone. That's not you don't do that.

But somehow in this culture, and this this this country's culture, you're supposed to raise your children alone at the expense of your mental health and your physical health as well. And what happens is it sets women back because again, there's no support for UM child care. UM. You're not able to UM. It's a lot challenging for you to move on into your career or UM as a mother because you're no longer living for yourself. You're you're living for a child that needs special care, and not just

for a few hours. Today we're talking about twenty four hours to day, seven days a week, and in this country, we have zero support. And me, as an entrepreneur, a writer, a producer, a creator, I owe that to my village. I was able and I had the privilege to be able to bring my aunt from Mexico to help me care for my children for the first years of their life. Without her, I wouldn't be sitting here with you all.

I wouldn't have the career that I have, the UM, the businesses that I have, because it takes a village. And it's really unfortunate that women have to choose two and that's what this country is having us to do, to choose, and we shouldn't have to choose. We need to bring back our villages. UM. Women of privilege have their villages. They don't talk about it, but they pay

for their villages. They have their drivers that take their kids to school, they have housekeepers that care for their homes, they have a nanny for each child, they have tutoring classes, they have after school programs that they can pay for. It takes a village to raise children, and our community doesn't have that. So when you when the government implements this control on us, it's only going to affect us and no one's doing anything about it, and we should

be really angry. Yes, cheek is what about you? You? You care for your siblings. I know that you're not a mother yet, but you are sort of the matriarch of your family right now. Can you talk a little bit about those kind of responsibilities and the dynamics of what it means to uh now have this access taken from you? Well, I mean growing up with a mother

of five children, a single mother of five children. I hear what Patty saying, and I saw firsthand how difficult it was, and because I was the eldest, what I had to do my had me at fifteen. For her, it was especially living at my grandparents home, like abortion was absolutely not a choice um and it was expensive, so she didn't know what to do, and I grew up seeing that, you know, she says, I thought about it. I didn't know. I didn't want to have you, but

I had no choice. And you know, it was difficult growing up and and knowing that obviously, but I'm glad. I'm glad she had me, you know, but I think she had my support. But it was also very difficult on me because I had to give up so many things, um in my childhood to help my mom. I don't regret it, but that's just my reality. And now that she's not here, I mean, she taught me so much.

I learned so much and and it's difficult, you know, it's difficult, and and it's I've had to help raise my siblings and and I'm telling you, you know, tutoring. Tutoring is expensive, and I wish that they would help us more with childcare, you know what I mean. Johnny was eleven years old O my mom passed. I didn't know what to do. I was trying to figure out my life and I'm like, how do I you know? It was it was just a lot, I mean, especially

even growing up. I mean, we we weren't born with a silver spoon in our mouth, you know, and it was it was hard. It was definitely hard. So that's one thing that it's just it upsets me and I just even if it is someone that had consensual sex and she just doesn't want to have the baby with this, with this guy or whoever it may be, why why

for someone you know what I mean? Or what if it's a I just heard something like, I don't know, like two months ago, someone I believe a little girl in Ohio I think she was ten years old, who was raped and she had to travel I don't know where because she couldn't have an abortion where she was from. So I'm just like, what freaking world are we living in? Like this is ridiculous to me. And just because I'm pro choice doesn't mean i'm pro abortion. I'm not one

to say use abortion as birth country. I'm just saying, don't tell me what I can do with my body, you know what I mean, Like don't don't that's not it's not okay with me. It makes me feel very uncomfortable, and it makes it worries me for my future children, you know, or like you know what I mean, Like,

what what's going on? We have to stand up and we have to have these hard conversations, and they're going to be uncomfortable to some people, but I think it's very important for for you know, future generations to come. Emily and Jim, what about you and your perspective from the queer community. I would love to get your thoughts on it. And you're also gen zars. Actually we're millennials. We are not okay, yes, but you know millennials are better.

Just saying, you know, Cheeks, I was thinking when when I was listening to you speak, it's it's you're absolutely right, also makes me wonder what comes next. If they were able to take this from us, what else can they take? And that's the thing is that Rovi Wade was sort of an umbrella law where it did discuss other parts

of UM pregnancy, how how should I say this? Pregnancy things like pregnancy issues thank you, health pregnancy issues like contraceptives, UM, the right to have a cesarean different things that are then put into question. I mean, let's not pretend like we didn't all probably hear Justice Clarence Thomas mentioned gay marriage is something that we should look at. UM. So it's it's it's extremely wearisome and I couldn't agree with

you more. It's not even about um the valid truth of the ten year old who had to go to obscene amount of length to have an abortion, or the women who are at risk of dying themselves, or the parents who are loving parents, who who are are excited and have prepared for a child who unfortunately was not able to develop their vital organs, all of these other situations that are ext extremely valid where the life of the child is put over the life of the mother.

But just the regular susan um or or tom or the person who just simply ended up pregnant, be it because of something severe or something that occurred to them as terrible as a sexual harassment or even rape, or simply I like you said, I met this person and this happened, and I'm not ready for this in my life, And why would I bring a child into a life

that I'm not prepared to raise them in. So I uh, cheekies you you said something that I want to be fair and I'm gonna be honest because you said, oh, well, you know, I wasn't born with the silver spoon in my mouth. I was when I was born, I wanted for nothing, I had my village, right, Because here's the funny thing. My parents not only do they have that village, that is the Latino culture, which is Auelas and Aluelas, And I can call my mom right now and she'll

be here in ten minutes if I need her. And also I had the ability of, oh, if I needed to call a driver, which I never did, but I'm saying I had the ability to, you know, like I didn't want for anything. And that perspective to me says, okay, like you said, most of the uterus bearing human beings who are having this experience, right, they are not the

ones making the decisions. The ones making the decisions are the ones with the silver spoon, the one that can travel to whatever city they want to acquire that doctor and acquire that medical procedure. The women who are dying or are not the people who are making the decisions. We're going to have a loss of women that is catastrophic as a result of You cannot stop people doing what they need and want to do. What you're gonna do is stop them from getting adequate care to do.

So it is not going to stop, is going to keep going. And then as well as a result of that um as a gay woman, you mentioned, well, how do you feel as a gay woman? Jem said something to me the other day that I was like, I never even thought of that, because as a woman, I feel so passionately about my body, and it's a shame that I do because we are looked at in such such an objective way. However, as a gay woman, what

happens when I have a straight daughter? What happens when I have a daughter who is out there in the world, that is my tribe that I need to take care of, who now, like Jem says, grew up in a world with less rights than me. That is ridiculous for what for me to say in in three months time that now her and I can't get married if we want to, that we're afraid that if I'm dying in the hospital room, she can't come in to say goodbye like these are.

That's why you say, be loud, be proud, and our culture supports those things because we are a tribe and we've always operated that way, and there's no shame in that. It's about balance. You may you you've mentioned something very very important that needs to be repeated. Abortions are not going to end ever they've been They've have been happening since the beginning of time. So let's be everyone listening

to me very clear about that. What's going to stop from what's going to stop from happening is access to adequate health to for these women. And that's what we need to be protecting adequate health for these women. So whether you're if you're pro life, you're pro adequate health, that's what you should be fighting for. Yeah. Um, well, speaking on that, Patty, I'd love to get your thoughts. I know that you're a mom, You're raising two boys.

How is this going to impact their lives, other children's lives who are growing up in this type of society where we're limiting reproductive justice, reproductive rights. Um, I would love to if you can share what kind of conversations you've had with them, if you've had any conversations with them so far. My children are still very eight young. There there are still babies. Um so I'm not there.

I but what I want to as as their mother, is raised them to believe and to understand that this is not just a woman's problem, this is also their problem and they have to join the fight as well when they're ready. Um, and that's what I hope that when they are ready to do that, they also are as loud as we are. M Yeah, and what about you, cheeks. I know you've shared your wishes that you hope to

have children of your own one day. How are you How are you seeing this, um, the overturning of Roe v. Wade, How is that going to impact you and your decisions? Uh? Some of the women here have talked about how it's not even about abortion. What about it if it's a health concern and you have to have a certain procedure. Um. I would love to to have your your thoughts on that because now I feel like it's a little scary

to be pregnant in general, because anything can happen. The mortality rate of black women of people of color in this in this country when it comes to pregnancy and going to the hospital is so high. It's like, I think, the worst in the world. The numbers here in the United States are staggering. It feels like we're living on another planet. UM. So I'd love to get your thoughts

on someone who's thinking and considering about getting pregnant one day. Yeah. Well, I'm I'm in my late thirties, you know, I'm thirty seven, and I've thought about it. Have endometriosis, I have hormone issues. So I'm on hormone therapy and I'm not on birth control right now. Um, so there's a chance I can get pregnant at any time. And there's also a chance because I am taking two sastone you know, drops that um my baby, my unborn child can have you know.

Um it's the health issues or or what I'm looking for the word, um birth defects. Yeah, complications, you know, and I'm well aware of that, you know. Um, It's just it's difficult because I'm like, Okay, well, what if I do encounter that situation? Am I going to have to or I can't. I can't have an abortion? And if I do have one, am I gonna be? Is it gonna be? Am I going to be? You know obviously with some of my family members that it'll be frowned upon. Am I a bad person? You know? I

thought about that. I'm like, oh my, should I keep this child even if it does have their like birth defects? Now we have those resources to see to see, you know, and to have that choice, but it makes you. I shouldn't feel guilty, you know what I mean, because I have wanted to wait, because I did raise my siblings, because I do have a career going on right now. Um, and it just it does. It concerns me. It Like

I said, I've said the word upset. It makes me very angry, but it does you know, I think of my my sisters as well, you know. Um, It's just it's just really sad that this is our reality right now. And because I I personally, I've thought about it a lot, because of my age, I really have well to share a little bit just based on your thoughts. Um. I'm married. My husband and I have been having having the conversations about trying to get pregnant for quite some time, and

we did get pregnant last year. I was four months along and my doctor told me that due to health issues, I would have to terminate my child. And it was a child that we really really wanted, and I got

a second opinion about it. I did every possible thing, you know, that we could have done in that moment to make the best decision for ourselves, for our family with our doctors, and I still had to terminate the child at four months, and so I when I heard the news, it was not only was it triggering, but also I was scared as hell. I was like, yes, we live in a in a state where, um, some of the rights are still protected. But if I had been in any other state, I would have been prosecuted.

I would have been sent to jail potentially because I was making a sorry, yeah we're lifting I thank you, thank you very much. Um So, I totally understand, um that those health concerns that you're talking about, and for for all the women out there who are who are considering getting pregnant, that is a real concern. Um So, before we close out today, any any last thoughts that anybody would like to share on a personal level or just an overall thought on on today's topic, I'll just

say thank you so much. I mean, it's these conversations are where we continue the fight, you know, because fighting is not about violence, It's not about this. It's trying to figure out how we can build a bridge between you know, what people understand and what they don't. So thank you. It was an honor for me, and I hope to see a future where I'm not worried about my my potential child's rights, so let's work towards that.

Thank you so much. It's really wonderful to be amongst other Latino women who are moving this conversation forward, because the Latin community, you know, tends to feel differently on this issue. So it's it's actually really inspiring that we're all here, Um, kind of beating to the same drum. Yeah, I couldn't agree more. It's it's lovely too to see how intellectual and informed everyone is and help passionate more than anything. So I'm so grateful that I was able

to have this conversation with you guys. Arlene, thank you so much, Um, Patty and Emily like jem you guys, honestly thank you and everyone. You guys can binge the entire season of Out of the Shadows now, Patty, do you want to tell us what the podcast is about real quick? Yeah, So, Out of the Shadows tells the moment in history when President Ronald Reagan signed a bill that gave over three million immigrants amnesty, essentially allowing uh them and their children the opportunity to come out of

the shadows and work toward the American dream. And we are a product of that Children of Lady six. I love that. Share your socials too, so everyone can find you. Well, you can go out of the show find me, or you can go in our own world part of the network. Listen when we're in our own sea with cheeks. I'm telling you, if we're not here, we're there. So this is a fam. Bam joined the family. Listen to us beautiful. Did you share your your social Yes, you can find

me on Instagram at Patti Rodriguez and Emily has become friends. Yes, Emily and jem Um. You guys, tell me a little bit about your podcast and share socials please. Oh man, So we have a space travel pot cast. It's the cheapest space travel you'll ever do, because we actually don't go to space, just in our minds that we're a couple. That sounds fun. It's fun. It is fun. That's a

good word to describe the podcast. We kind of take our ship anywhere that the wind blows um to talk about the things that are important to us, the things that are going on in our lives. Introduce some of the quirky members of our of our world surrounding us. Um and yeah, you can find us anywhere really, you know. Social media is yeah, you can find us at in our own World pod on Instagram and our may insta is Emily Underscore, Stefan and Gems Germany, which is oh

I love that Germany. Perfect. No, thank you guys, Thank you guys again. UM, I really enjoyed this conversation. It is a heavy one, but at the end of the day, the more that we have these conversations be better for the world and we should really be loud and proud. UM. So you guys, everyone that's listening, We have some abortion resources for you in our show notes, so please check those out. This episode will also be available on YouTube,

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