Ukraine's Drone War with Shashank and Rob Lee
Oct 30, 2025•1 hr 35 min
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Episode description
Joining the pod today are Rob Lee of FPRI, Shashank Joshi of the Economist, and Tony Stark of the Breaking Beijing substack.
We discuss…
- Whether Ukraine represents a revolution in military affairs and what lessons the war holds for other theaters
- Why roughly 80% of casualties in Ukraine are caused by UAVs, and the symbiotic relationship between artillery and drones,
- The limits of FPVs and UAVs, tactics to counter UAV attacks, and the role of unmanned ground vehicles,
- Institutional friction within the Ukrainian forces,
- How Chinese components and commercial drones from DJI are shaping the battlefield.
- Drone incidents over Europe, burden sharing, and the US policy climate.
Outro music: Leon Bridges and Khruangbin - Texas Sun, a song that made it onto a 2022 playlist a reporter made of songs they heard on the front in Ukraine (https://open.spotify.com/playlist/72paG2c3VqKblZsZlsCBOx?si=ace9197c40c6440f)
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