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Former Bears cornerback Charles Tillman and Tennessee Titans radio commentator Dave McGinnis join hosts Jeff Joniak and Tom Thayer on Bears All Access.

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The following is a presentation of the Chicago Bears Network and Chicago Bears dot Com. Download the Chicago Bears official mobile app for up to the minute Bears content every day and now welcome to Bears All Access, your all access passing to Chicago Bears football. Bears All Access is brought to you by IGS Energy and sponsored by Athletical

Physical Therapy and CDW. Turning into a week of the Great Unknown as the Bears get ready to meet the Titans in Nashville on Sunday, because right now they just don't know who's going to be available, especially on the offensive line as they deal with COVID nineteen. Jeff, johnny Ak and Tom there with you as we walking me into another edition of Bears All Access, brought to you by GS Energy. So it's kind of been a weird day, weird week for the Bears because of the offensive line.

Today they had to move the deck a little bit at practice yesterday, then they could not practice Todaytom they decided to shut on the building. There was a positive test for an unnamed player at the moment, and they are just waiting to find out what that means for the other players and or staff. That may or may not be affected. So they're on hold right now until the league comes through with this. Yeah, you know they are on hold, Jeff, but they're never on hold. Thank

goodness for the technology of today. They can leave Hallis Hall and still be in the same room together and

learn the game. You just imagine if this was twenty five years ago when you're talking about real to real tape, and that's how the players got prepared, and there is no way to everybody get together in the same room and still be able to teach the group of guys that might be in place on the offensive line for the game that you can still get the message across and you can still teach, and you can still have

open dialogue of conversation of improvement. Our producer tonight, Julio says Jordan trentup Dan really helping us out as well. Earlier this evening, Matt Naggie explain what's going on, Just waiting for answers. That's all we can really do in the meantime. The one good thing is you can have a bunch of meetings, a lot of time to be able to meet, and sometimes you miss out on that a little bit when you're when you're out the facility.

So it's funny some of us have been talking about it's kind of we know the zoom thing now, we know these other ways to communicate FaceTime, etc. And it's nice to be able to to really get get some other stuff done. And Tom, if they did practice today, there would be six players that would not practice. Added to the list for the first time this week, a rookie ted En Cole came met working through a groin injury. Yeah.

I saw that in an injury report and it was disappointing because, you know, it just it just came upon us. And that's the one thing that concerns you because if you if it was lingering from the game, we would have probably seen evidence of it. But maybe it's something that appeared in practice Wednesday and just didn't feel good enough to go to work on Thursday. So it's it's unfortunate, but again, uh, you know, venitive with him is probably

the best case scenario. And Mitchell Trubisky does have a right shoulder injury. We heard this yesterday that it was similar to the twenty eighteen version that that shoulder left one last year. So he according to nag he did go out to LA to get a second opinion. So it leaves a season kind of up in the air. Yeah, and I'm so disappointed for Mitch. I'm not disappointed in what happened on the one play, just the fact that the luck of Mitchell Trubisky, you know, it just seemed

to have run out on that play. And then you know, to hear people refer to it as him being used in a wildcat offense. He's a quarterback. He's not a running back that's gone back there to take the snap to run this one time. He was a quarterback that had a design running play and that's what they did. And just super unfortunate how awkwardly he got tackled in

the result of this injury. Because we don't know exactly what's going to happen, including to right guard Jermaine Effettia to the positive test for Jason Spriggs, he might be able to play on Sunday, but he is deemed high risk close contact. That again, got to wait and see if there's any sort of issues that crop up post analysis of that. So it's gonna put guys like Arlington Hambright, it's gonna put guys like Pig Simmons. It's gonna put guys really in the crosshairs here, and up to those

offensive line coaches to shuffle the deck. It's up to the offensive line coaches to be able to shuffle to the deck. There's also probably twenty five plays I could think off the top of my head that an offensive could offensive line that's unorganized could run powerfully, could run organized, could run well. So it's not like just because you do have a group of guys and you're facing the

worst case scenario. It is about getting the best selection of plays that you can powerfully run and then running them repeatedly. And so would you keep it on the ground. Yes, everything would go through David Montgomery. It would start with the threat of the running game. But I would not you know, the shots that they took to Darnell Mooney and the shots that they've been able to take all year with Alan Robinson and hopefully more of an involvement

for Anthony Miller. I'm still you know, I'm still would like to go downfield. This is not a defensive line that I think the Bears, you know, should you know, change their game plan because of the offensive line issues. What that Titans defense does do well though they get their hands on the football. In the passing game, they broken up a league high forty four passes. That leads to a lot of tip passes and a lot of interceptions,

so they've got a plus eight turnover ratio. That's something the Bears got to stay away from on the road against a team that plays very physical. Really, just like their head coach, Mike Vrabel played as a player with the New England Patriots in his great career, he coaches the same way. It's a tough minded outfit. At five and two, the Bears going in at five and three.

Coming up, we'll talk more about it with a familiar name in Bears history, Dave McGinnis, the former Bears assistant now part of the radio crew for Titans Radio with Mike Keith. He'll be joining us day and coming up at the bottom of the hour, Charles Peanut Tilminal Reminisce walked down memory laying out his peanut punch, the legendary four forced fumbled a game against the Titans. It's all coming up next. You're on six seventy the score. It's

brought to you by GS Energy. This is Bears All Access. This segment of Bears All Access is brought to you by Microsoft Surface and CDW. People will get it learn more at CDW dot com. Jeff Jowning act Tom thare here on Bears All Access in Chicago Sports Radio six

seventy the scorer brought to you by IGS Energy. Please to welcome the radio analysts of the Tennessee Titans, but more probably known as longtime Bears assistant, Cardinals head coach and a veteran of many, many decades of professional football. The guy would call coach Mac Dave McGinnis, stave, how are you doing, Jeff? How are you doing? Man? Great to hear from you. Tom Thayer there with you? Oh yeah, you know, virtually, but he's here. Let me tell you something.

I could not be any halfy. You know. I'm a broadcasting guru now and I could not be any happier to talk to any more two people than you guys. Oh yeah, that's right. I like hearing that, Big Dave. I like hearing that. You tell that to all the announcing crews, don't you. I do not, I absolutely do not. How are things going for you down there? And you enjoying it now? You've been doing it for several years. You have the gift of analysis, but you also are

a great communicator. So it's a natural fit for a guy that loves the game. Keeps your foot in it, doesn't it? You know what it really does? Yeff, I really enjoyed it. Of course. I love doing it with

Mike Keith. You know. When I was I was out in La you know, after I mean, I was out there with Jeff Fisher, and when Jeff Fisher got let go at the Rams, I still had time on my contract out there, so I was just kind of chilling on Malibu Beach out there, and the Titans called and asked if I would be interested in doing it and I and I said, you know, I would be interested

back here because of Mike Keith. And then plus, you know, I work Tier as a coach, you know, with Jeff Fisher as his assistant head coach and linebacker coach for eight years. And I really enjoyed the organization. I love Nashville, and this is my fourth season doing it. I absolutely love it, and it's really morphed into more than I

thought it would. I thought I was just going to come back here do some games, they flew me back and forth to LA in the first year I was doing it, and then they said, you know, they asked if I would move back here. And now, I mean, I'm on four radio shows. I've got my own show. I got my own show, back talk for an hour on Wednesday night. And I mean, guys, I love doing this, I really do. I mean it's so much fun. I mean, I love it. Hey, Big David's good to talk to you.

Thanks for coming on with us. Hey, um, Big Dave. And So, if you're on the sidelines and you're coaching, and you have the stadium atmosphere you have, or you look at it the atmosphere you have from the broadcast booth, what would be different about your style of coaching on the sideline under these circumstances, and and how is it like, how do you get repped up into the game with the silent stadiums that we're going through now you know

what time it is through. I mean we're traveling still and now we traveled separate from the team as Titans Radio, but still being in that first ball game we did when we went up we did, we did Denver and it was very, very eerie and Mike Keith, you know who's you know, been doing this forever. It's a Hall of famer here in Tennessee doing this. He does it

with the windows open. So I mean to get the feel of the fans and the stadium and the atmosphere that you're talking about time that you know, you and I both experienced as a coach and a player all the years we were in this league. It was very eerie. It was very strange. Once the game started, you could feel the competitive energy on the field from the players, but there is some element that the fans truly bring to this game, and and you miss it, you really do.

And even when you know they put the noise in at the seventeen, at the le level of seventy five, it's you know, it still was not like and you know what it felt like the first game here when we were able to have eighty five hundred people in the stands, it felt like they were eighty five thousand, you know, because at least you had live people making noise again, and so it was very strange. I think we've all kind of gotten used to it a little bit, but I can't wait for the day as to win

these things were packed again. Tom, Yeah, I agree with you. You know, it's just says you know, it's an all time first as long as we've been around the NFL or football in general, from Peewee to high school on up. It's it's just the first time for us that we've gone through something like this. You know, I was reading some comments by Vrabel the other day and they said, at this point in the season, teams are going in

two different directions. They keep getting better or not. And last year they kind of improved throughout the season, and then you look at where they're at right now. You know, they cut a guy last week, they lost a couple of games. But it seems like Rabel is always the guy right now that's in control of what's going on in Tennessee. And that statement about getting better or not, I think sends a clear message to what he expects

out of his guys. Tom, I promise you I know how you were as a player, and again much respect for you as a player. I mean, I mean that group that I first started out with in Chicago thirty five years ago. I mean, you guys were real and you you were all professionals, and you understood what it took. That's what Mike Rabel is. I mean, you know, he just he's real. He understands it, he gets it, he gets the National Football League on all the all different levels.

And he's one hundred percent right. I mean, you know, uh, he and John Robinson both, I mean they made some moves today, you know, you know, sitting here, you know as a you know, as a five and two football team, and you know they just they just signed a player this year is what a year? A free agent for nine and a half million. He wasn't producing. They let him go, They cut him so and you know it's

not about the money. It's about what's best to make the football team better this week and the week moving forward. I promise you this, Tom Fair, I know you very well you would love playing for Mike Vrabel, I promise you. Yeah, they both look at the game from a very specific, angry lens on game day. Don't you think they set their job a little bit? Both of these guys. Dave McGinnis, the long time NFL coach and now radio analysts for the Tennessee Titans, joining us here on Chicago Sports Radio

six seventy to score. This is Bears All Access brought to you by IGS Energy. All Right, it's easy to just say that these Tennessee Titans are all about Derrick Henry and that's it. At everything offense, defense, special teams revolves around that rugged running back. That is not the case. But boy is he a big part of this. Can

you crystallize exactly what he does for the entire football team? Honestly? Yeah, Jeff, And let me just say this, Uh, this football team, you know, was if you came together last year when Mike Vrabel you know, made a move. I've been ahead coach in this league and he made a movement that was very tough to make. He took basically the face of the franchise in the third quarter at Denver last year and benched him and put a new quarterback in.

And we all know the ramifications of that. Ryan Tanneyhill had come here and agreed to be a backup after being an eighty eight game starter in a first round pick, you know, in Miami, and since then just because of that move that Mike Vrabel made, you know, and Ryan Tanneyhill. Ryan tanney Hill is a huge part of this success too.

But I think just the combination of Mike Vrabel and the attitude that he and John Robinson and Amy Adams strunk you know who's now the controlling owner of this franchise. The atmosphere of the they've created around here of making football the most important thing for this organization has been huge. On the football field. Derreck Henry, Derek Henry has come on and look, every everybody watches the tape and they know that that's the things offensively that the Titans are doing.

It generates off that outside zone run. But all the play action and everything happens when that outside zone or inside zone run can work. The thing about this run game here is Arthur Smith who is calling this. He is patient enough to turn it, turn around and hand it off time and time again because sooner or later Tom look, Tom Blocks are one of the greatest running backs in the history of the Nights to Football League.

And every run wasn't a big run, but every run counted because sooner or later you're going to be able to dent the defensive front and you're going to be able to take their will. That's what this offense does. But Ryan Tannehill and his play action passing game, it's been a huge part and a great compliment to what

Derrick Henry has done. Hey, Dave, when you look at the injury or are the issues that the Bears are having the offensive line through injuries in the last couple of weeks in the COVID protocol, is this something that this defense needs this offensive line at this time in their season, because you know, they're a good defense, but they're not as productive in terms of sacks and everything that a Rabel led defense you know, probably is used to. Yeah, Tom,

let's let's just go back. Let's just go back to last week in the game that the Titans have just lost to the Cincinnati Bengals, they were in the same shape, may be worse offensive line wise, And all week on all the programs, I was on an analysis that I gave during the week, I said, don't be fooled by this because here's what happens, and especially nowadays in the National Football League, you know how much of the game has spread out with wise in the National Football League

now it's a different game. And of what they did, they went to the quick passing game, empty the backfield really because you know they're not a heavy running team up there at Cincinnati. They took the offensive line prominence out of the ball game and just started spreading it around. And then what they did was they would get the third down, and then the Titans could not get them out on third down, so they were able to continue

the drives eat up a lot of clock. So when the Titans offense got ahold of the foot of the football, normally what they've done is driven down and scored points. Well, they stopped him twice from not storing points, and all of a sudden, you've got score separation and you're chasing it. So the first thing or the last thing that this Tennessee Titans team is going to do is fall into the trap of thinking that they've got a deficient offensive line.

At the Bears they're playing against this week, I promise you that. Dave McGinnis, our guest here on Chicago Sports Radio six seventy the score and this is Bears All Access, brought to you by IGS Energy. A word on the defense, because it does take the ball away. They get their hands on more balls than any team in the league right now, forty four pass breakups. But that third down number is that the Achilles heal Right now, it's in

an crazy hemisphere of sixty. Yeah, Jeff, it really is, and I mean Mike Ravel has been very pointed about that. And look, all of us have been around the game long enough, you guys, myself, all your listeners included. You can't live like that the National foot League because the National Football League, you know, is about is about several things.

But when you want to break it down and really dig down inside a National Football League game, series by series, it's about being able to steal possessions by making your opponent punt. I mean, that's what it's about. That's where all field position generates from. That's where everything germinates from, is being able to limit possessions. And it's not all

about sacks, but it's getting them out. First of all, it's fighting to get him the third down, and then it's getting them getting them out on third down and getting possessions for your offense at sixty one percent clip, I mean, that's that's historically not good, and so clearly that is something that Mike Grabel is very pointed about. Look,

he's got three Super Bowl rings as a player. He understands what it takes to be able to be successful and allowing your opponent to convert sixty one percent of the third downs. That's not being successful. So when you look at a guy like Derek Henry, you know, it seems like every offense that we look at in the NFL, it always starts with the conversation of the quarterback and what type of quarterback he is, and Ryan Tannehill. He's a good quarterback, he's got a good arm, he's a

good athlete and stuff. But the influence of this offense is Derrick Henry. Even when you look at the receivers and stuff, and the way they benefit from play action when they can have max protection and run two guys out in routes, and the value that they have. So it is it seems to me that the full effort of concentration is to stop Derrick Henry and get the

Ryan Tannehill if he can. Yeah, Tom, and the look last year, Derrick Henry had more yards per carry than any back in the league against an eighth man plus front, because that's what you're gonna get. I mean, you know it's no secret. You know they know here they're gonna see an eight man front all day. The key to it is and look, you you were an offensive linement for Walter you you know, you know what the key was.

It was you have to be able to still be willing to stick with the run when it's not successful at first, you know that, and you had to continue to let your offensive lineman get their cleats to the ground and continue to push and work at it, and sooner or later, you know, you begin to be able to dent and to crack. You know. The defensive front. Now, the defensive front the Chicago has, I'm very very impressed with.

I mean, you know me. I mean, I'm thirty one years all about defense in this league, and I know a good defense when I see it. Chicago has that. So it's going to take a maximum effort to everybody. But believe me, just because you have eight people up there doesn't mean they're not going to run the football. Yeah.

I couldn't wait to ask you about the linebackers too, because you know, Khalil Mack, if he's not getting sacks, people don't think he's making a big impression yet in the league right now, dare you to find two other three other guys that are getting more pressure on the quarterback than Khalil Mack is doing right now? And underrated

against the run. So your thoughts on Khalil and then I am on the wagon right now with Roquan Smith playing at a pro Bowl level because he covers a lot of territory every blody ask and that's exactly what you need to do against this team. Let me tell you what what they traded for. What they traded to get Khalil Mac. He's worth every bit of it. I love Khalil Mack because here's what I love about it. And you know, of course I still do the draft. We do a big draft show here. I've always done

the draft. You know, I've prevented two hundred players a year. I love the draft. I love and the one thing that I remember writing down about Khalil Mack was whether or not he is involved in the play. He's doing something violent every snap and I love that, and that is extremely, extremely important because that guy is a disruptor. He's a disruptor and it's just not sack numbers, you know, he makes his presence felt a lot like some of those linebackers I had the privilege to coach when I

was at the Bears. When you got Otis Wilson and Wilma Marshall lined up. They may not be sacking them all the time, but I promise you they knew they were on the field. That's the way it is with Khalil Mack, I mean, and Roquan Smith. I loved him coming out of Georgia. I love the player because of this. He can run. He is Here's what he is. He is a second level a racer. And and when I write that down, I'm bout a linebacker that I'm that

I'm vetting coming out. It means that regardless of where the play ends up, he's got a great GPS to the ball. Some guys don't have as good a GPS to the ball as others. His is excellent. Dave, you know when you say that, you file the draft and you kind of evaluate these guys coming out of college.

You know, the one thing over the last twenty years that's changed is when you started in the NFL that you were, you know, tagged with you are a four three style defensive coach or you're a three four style defensive coach, period and that's pretty much what you stayed in the majority of the time. Now there is no rhyme of reason to putting a number of what type of defensive coach you are, because you have to have such morephability to what you're facing weekend and week out.

So how do you look at a guy that you know when you played with through the days of Singletary, and now you look at a guy like Roquan Smith. Is Roquan good for any defense? And if you put Singletary in these days, is he good for any defense? No? Absolutely, First of all, Singletary is good for any defense. But let me tell you time what has happened, especially if you're talking about the line. It's because you are playing against so many years playing against eleven personnel most all

the time. Now you're either playing against eleven personnel, which as you well know for your listeners, it's one type, three wide, one back, or and I'm told first down, first through third down, or you're playing twelve personnel, which is two tights, two wides, and one back. But one

of those tight ends is a big receiver that's split out. Okay, And so what you're doing now, as you well know, as you well know, it's a matchup game in the National Football League, and so you are playing sub package

most all of the time. Even if you are a three to four team when you have got when you're going against eleven personnel and they got you spread out, you're going to be four man spacing up front because you've got cover down with your other people, whether it's a sub package nickel with two backers behind the ball, or it's a dime with a hybrid safety that's playing a hybrid linebacker or playing a hybrid safety. So you know, you can say you're if people are gonna line up.

If you can find people that line up in one tight end, two running backs and a white out on one side and a white out on the other, then you can line up in five man spacing. Okay, But most of the time now you're five man spacing is coming from five across the board, even against eleven personnel, whether you're either going to pressure and play man to man or you're gonna fake pressure and fall out and

play a match zone with it. So it's because of what the offenses are presenting and the matchup that it presents to your defense as to what you have to morph into, which is a good word that you use, Big Dave, I felt like I just went to school way to God. I love it. I love it, great stuff. We're gonna let you go. Good luck on Sunday. Hope it all goes well for both teams. And it's always

a pleasure to talk to you man. Continue success. We wish we'd see you down there, but we don't travel unfortunately this year, So you guys hold hold the spot for us though down the road, will you guys? It was my pleasure if always great talking talking to you guys. Jeff, Tom, thank you very much. Loved it, guys. Thank you. Dave McGinnis, the radio analyst for the Tennessee Titans and former Chicago

Bear assistant coach, will continue on. Coming up next, Charles Peanut Tillman reminiscing a little bit about a big game against the Titans many years ago. This is Bears All Access on Chicago Sports Radio six seventy The score. Hey Bears fans, It's important to stay connected now more than ever, and at Motorola we love making that possible. With a new razor, you can enjoy staying connected a little bit more. It's a phone, it's an accessory, it's an icon reinvented.

Hello Moto, Jeff, Jonny Act, Tom Thayer, Welcome back to Bears All Access brought to you by IGS Energy on Chicago Sports Radio six seventy score. Speaking of Icon joining us now the wonderfully it's standing and a guy we missed so much around the building at Hallisas and now every Sunday is uh the best cornerback in Bears history in my opinion, Charles, Peanut, Tim and Charles, thanks for joining us tonight. How you doing? I'm good? Should I have a mask all and talk to y'all? Am? I am?

I am? I okay talking on the phone without a mask because I hear howisall had a bit of a had a bit of a breakdown. They I hear HOWI fall got to COVID. Well, yeah, that it is going around a little bit. So we're gonna get more clarity coming up here hopefully tomorrow. We'll get later tonight and what's going on? But uh yeah, it's it's more you know, if you and we we just had Dave McGinnis on the former Bears assistant coach now doing Tightness Radio as

an analyst, like like our good friend time here. You know, if you if you are a player today and dealing with all of that's going on and and these constant rough changes to your day. How would you adapt or would you or as that just the nature of the beast. As an NFL player, you adapt No matter what well I played defense man, we always adapted. We're always making changes and making adjustments. So my first instinct or yeah,

I'll just say I would have to adapt. You'd have to adapt learning how to not play in front of fans, you know, so you just this whole season, this whole year has been just one big adjustment that the entire world has had to make. So yeah, you just got to adapt an adjust stam would change anything about your game? Would it improve your communications? What do you how do you think that you'd go about your business with nobody in the stands? Well, it wouldn't be loud, that's for sure.

That kind of pissed me off because probably one of the best things about Soldier Field is third down and they used to have the John Candy and what's the name of the movie The Great Outdoors. Yeah, the bear would come in and he was like stomping on John Kenny's back. That's probably one of the greatest, one of the greatest memories about Soldier Field. Um, because I would sit there and it would get so freaking loud and you put your hands up wanting me, Um, you're one

of the fans to really get into it. That part would suck. That's that's that's not cool that fans aren't able to be there. So sort of down. You got thirty one, you know, two minutes left, you're down. You're trying to get the ball back for your offense. And I think in some regard it might be a little just a percent, it might be a little tough to get motivated, just just a percent, because you don't have

your you don't have that fan support. Because there's plenty of times where I was tired and then you hear the fans started sharing it. It's just, you know, it's just something about that energy, that atmosphere. It's an adrenaline boost, you know, and it gets you going. And for all the people who say fans don't matter, they do. We we feed off that energy, we really do. Yeah, that

definitely the case. I made that point to Tom. All these games this year, with the exception of one in LA, have been tight affairs where you would hope that the fans would be there because the defense could really use them because right now, there's no home field advantage in the National Football League. There really isn't because of that. Yeah,

that does it. That just is muted. But November of twenty twelve, you were on the road in Nashville and you did have a home field advantage because every Bears fan under the sun came down to watch that and partied their butts off and watched one of the greatest overall three phase performances by a Bears team in a while, putting up fifty one points and you were at the forefront of it all with four of your famous peanut

punch force fumbles. That game is being brought back to life, doing part to this game, but a lot's been written, there have been features done, and do you feel you're back in the spotlight, so to speak here in the last week or so since. Yeah, because, um, I think now people are starting to catch on that you can make the tackle and punch out the ball and guess what you get the takeaway and if you're plus once

and sent chance and winning the game. So I think people are finally starting to catch on to the peanut punch. So yeah, I'm excited to watch it every time I see it. On TV every time one of the analysts are commentators, stay through middle shout out. Appreciate a much love ABC or not ABC, excuse me, NBC, ESPN, NFL Network, Fox, appreciate all the shoutouts shall give me. But it's it's it's kind of it's kind of cool to see it, really is it? Just Feller lets me know that, Hey,

I just left my mark. I try to leave my mark on the game. I left it all out on the field. Hey, you know, Peanut, So in that game, Brian Biller called you MVP of the league at that point in the season. And when you when you think about the Peanut budge, you know you're the creator of it. But can it Do you think it can be coached, it can be learned, or do you just think that's a value that you had that it's just hard to create and other guys. No, I definitely think it could

be coached. You just have to know one when to do it and to how to do it, and three you just kind of have to have the warorthall, meaning the hand eye coordination to actually accomplish the punch itself and make the tackle. So yeah, I definitely think you can. It's we're professional athletes, man, we do some amazing things. All every defensive back, every linebacker, they're they're all capable, even D R D lineman, they're all capable of doing it.

I don't care how big, how small, you know, it's amazing. In that game, Urlacher had a peanut punch from behind on the running back there that created one of the turnover. So it's an obvious that Brian gets to see you so much down tape, so much in video that you know just reenact, you know, the pre thinking of well, how you know, what would Charles do and then being able to do that. But one thing I got to ask you about, and I hope you don't matter me.

I've been I was a kickoff return my whole career, and I got holding calls on kickoff return. You had a holding call out of funt return. And I'm thinking of the returner at that point, Devin Hester, when you had that responsibility for that type of returner, even though you caught, you created the four fumbles. Do you even remember a play like that or is it completely washed out of your system? Completely washed out of my system? I think you're lying. I don't even remember that play.

I watched the game today. Why are you watching that game? Why are you watching? Just watch the defense, boo, don't know much. I would never in you making that accusation. I don't even remember that. Man. I've never even given up a touchdown. You know, d You's got short I've never even given up a touchdown. I've never had a bad play, never in my life. Don't know what about

I like nothing. I was impressed that you were on punt return of that point, Oh man, I've I literally was on punt returns since two thousand and three to two thousand and fifteen. When I went to Carolina the next year, I was still on punt return. I played punt return for thirteen years straight. Wow, non stop. And if you look on Devin's plays, I'm on a lot of Devin's Uh. I won damn near ninety seven percent of Devon's touchdowns. That or just all of his returns.

Part of nine, part of the caravan leading to the end zone, part of the caravan leading to the end zone. Shout out to Dave Tobe, one of the greatest first teams coach of all time. And you know one thing more on like Tim's point that yes, can everybody do it? But the one thing is though your body was unique, and it was in the age of now, okay, getting these big corners. I get still remember Jerry Angelo, I love big corners. You love big corners. You had the length,

you had the arms. You are a wiry guy, but super strong. You stayed super fit your entire career. You were very much adaptable to any situation. Um, and do you don't you think that helped though? That length? Oh yeah, you definitely couldn't do it with alligant arms. You know, not to take a shot at Tim Jennings or anything like that, but you know Tim was what five five nine on a good day. Yeah, yeah, you know the

length that definitely helped me. Um yeah, the length, the height because I didn't have to be super super close kind of like a boxer, you know that reach, you're you're able to be a little bit fuller away for that punch. But and all honestly, I just was in Lance never less me forget it. He always brings this up. He was, you know, for I think the last force phoneble that I punched the ball out on the tight end. He was like, man, I gotta give it to you.

A nut You You pretty committed when you when you do those punches, because you're willing to take a hand to the face, a stiff arm like you was gonna get truck. But I gotta give it to you, man, you can get truck and still punch the damn ball out. So I sit in my head, see you nutty buddy. So I just I don't know. I think you it serves you better if you're closer to the guy, if

you can punch it out, you know, pin if. That's a great observation by Lance, because when I was watching that tape and the one you punched away from Jared Cook, I was amazed at the type of shot that you had to commit yourself to taking by putting in your body in the right position and then landing with all that weight right up directly on your back. So I yeah, you know, hats off to you because when you were going in there for their commitment, you are you are

not You were in control of the foot. Ah, but you know the brunt of the abuse man was impressive. Yeah. Once I commit, I'm comic coage style. I'm I'm I'm committed all the way through, And I don't think I took too many l's when when I committed and laying it on my back. I don't. I don't think I took too many l's. I think I just started more punches than than losses. So yeah, it's I think it's you gotta know your body and you just gotta be

willing to put it all out there. You can't. You can't go half half speed because then you're really gonna get run over kind of like you know, Yeah, you guys ever did taekwondo, You guys ever kicked the boards and you gotta punch through the board. Yeah, you gotta punch through. You can't. You can't stop when you get the board. You gotta just you gotta commit and go all the way through. Charles Peanut till with our guests. Remaining moments with Charles real quick, because it's cool for me.

I got two questions actually too, Because when you're going through all the notes for every game and the opposing team's putting, you know, trying to trump at one of their own players or whatever, your name is still coming up there as the most touchdown returns since or the most fumbles for since, So your name keeps coming up it's still living in breathing. So today's younger players get to know exactly what you were all about. It wasn't just being a punch. You got pick six as you

got fumble return touchdowns. Like you said, you're always in clear view of devon on those uh caravans to the end zone. Uh does that mean a lot to you that you're you know, it's your name is living on man, it's not going away. Yeah. Um, it's just legacy. Um, that's that's that's really kind of what I wanted to leap behind, leave my mark. Um. Steve Wooks used to

always talk about time. You know, time is life's most precious gift time time, time, and when you die, it'll be your birthdate nineteen eighty one dash and then the day you pass or what do you represent in that dash? Like what have you accomplished? Would have done? Who have you helped? You know? What did you teach people? What do you tell people? What was your character? So on and so forth? And I just I don't know. I want my dash to mean something, and I wanted to.

I don't know. I didn't I didn't go to the best school. I didn't you know, I didn't go to the best high school, or I wasn't highly recruited. People to know who I am when they drafted me. So

I kind of had a trip on my shoulder. And I wanted to prove to people that I was worthy enough to be in the league and too worthy enough to be the thirty SITH pick or second round draft pick, THIRTYITH pick off all and I want I wanted that dash to represent or my play to represent my dash, and just you know, whatever you do, man, leave your mark. That's that's that's that's what I'm about. I left everything on the field. I had some good games. I had a few bad games, but I had more good ones

and bad ones. But in all I gave whatever team I was on, was Caroline or Chicago, I literally gave you one thousand percent of what I had. And I think my success kind of showed that that I literally just I just put it all out there. I went out. I went all out every single time, and I was just about my teammates. If Devin needed me out there, if Dave told needed me out there to help Devin get in the end zone, or hell that we got the greatest returner in the history of the league. I

will do whatever you want me to do. If I'm super tired, I can I can suck it up and go another play to help Devin get an end zone. And it's just it's just really about team. You know, if you want it more than the next person, or want it more for a Brian Earl Actor, a Lance Briggs, a Devin Hester, Alex Brown or who you know, Mike Brown, I wanted it more for them. So if I can put it all out there for them, I know they're

gonna put it all out there for me. Is that when you guys, when you have guys, I think like that, that's when you know you have a great team. And that's that's that's what we had on defense. Guys were just putting it all out there for each other, not just themselves. It was bigger than me. It was about my teammates. Awesome Born in Chicago, raised in Texas, and then thoroughly one of the best payers in history, one of their top one hundred greatest of all time, and

a Walter Peyton NFL Man of the Year in twenty thirteen. Charles, thank you so much for joining us. We ran out of time. I'd love to hear your thoughts on another thirty three before we go though real quick, Jalen Johnson, Yeah, I think he's playing well. I do want to talk to him about when the receiver, when the quarterback gets outside the pocket, he's still covering the receiver. If you can talk to him, tell him just to push the

receiver down. When the quarterback gets outside the tackle box, push the receiver down, you get to hit him again, push him out of bounds. Just push him down, Just run up and just hit him as hard as you can. They're not going to expect it. And yeah, that's what I would convey to him. Other than that, I think he's doing pretty good. But that's just my biggest critique with him at a bound, push him back. Understand the rules. You can push him down and go cover somebody else.

And I guarantee you the quarterback is going to throw the guy the ball who you push out of bounds and it's just a free play. And he like, hey, what up? All right? Charles, thank you so much, thanks for reminiscing with us. Yeah, have a good one, Charles, Charles P. Telm and our guest will take a break

here on Chicago Sports Radio six seventy to score. The Chicago Bears Network presents Inside the Bears, brought to you by Verizon, Anthony Adams and Laurens Greed and cover the world of Bears football on and off the field every Sunday. I did even eleven o five on Fox thirty two Chicago, or watch anytime at Chicago Bears dot Com and the Bears Official apt Bears did not practice today. If you're

just joining us, they hope to tomorrow. They're gonna learn more tonight about contact tracing to a positive test of a yet to be named officially by the organization player. I had a minimum tom the offensive line juggled, for sure. There's a list of six players that would not have practiced today, and it's a complicated situation as they go

on the road. Yeah, you know, I really applaud at Wanka Steel how organized he's been with a minimal amount of bodies out there, and then the way everybody else pitches in to get practice run efficiently yesterday when they're on the field. But like I said, and it sounded like Matt was saying the same thing, that they're fortunate they have the ability to go face to face during the important time of meetings because you know there's other guys that are going to probably have to contribute given

the suspension of Javon Wims. I would hope to see Riley Ridley at least on the game day activation to possibly get a reperto. So I think the mental part of it that these guys should still be held to a high standard because they can go through that process. I mean, that's it. And you know, out of the head today, Matt Nag you said, hey, we told these guys a long long time ago, be ready at any point, including coaches, because there could be new responsibilities based on

COVID and you might have to play. And it's turning out to be true. You mentioned Riley. Really, we all been waiting. An offensive coordinator ber Laser this morning, one of two coaches to to talk before they shut down hallis Hall. He says, you know, we do root for players, and they're rooting for Riley Ridley. People don't realize how much you pull for these guys. You know, you watch them all the time, you see them. You know, you're you're always you're just you're just hoping and you don't

want someone else to get hurt. For them to get their opportunity. But as coach, I think naturally you pull for them. You want to see them succeed. You want to see them step up not just for the good of the team, but but also for them personally. So, uh, you know, that's kind of how I look at it with Riley. You know, I'm not only do I know we may need him to step up to help us win this week, but I'm really pulling for him personally. Well, you know, yeah, there's a lot of people that you

pull for through the course or career. However they're making their own opportunity. Where what is the one thing that is Riley Ridley is not winning on the most What is his deficiency? Where is it right now that you can do that evaluation. If you could identify that, then you can encourage him to do whatever he's not doing better And is it just talent or is there something that's holding him back? Because I want to see him

on the field. To me, there is a period in training camp that he was really exciting out there and Jevon Wims going to service two games suspension without pay. He tried to get that appeal, but that appeal was denied. That will give the opportunity for Riley Ridley potentially on Sunday against the Titans. All right, we're gonna take one

more break. We're back with some quick thoughts to wrap things up before we turn it over the Thursday Night football here on Chicago Sports Radio six seventy the Score. Welcome back, everybody, too, Bears All Access brought to you by Igs, Energy, Cheff and Tom wrapping things up here on our show. Thanks again to Charles, Peanut, Tillman, and too Dave McGinnis. Very good detailed descriptions of what's going on with their respective analysis and careers. And it's always

going to talk to those guys. I was hoping to play a bit of our interview that will air on Bears Game Day Live on Fox ten thirty Sunday morning in advance of the noon kickoff against the Titans with Jalen Johnson because something really stuck struck with me Tom, because you know, it really does tick him off that he's the fiftieth picking round two of the draft when he very very much should have been a first round

pick in his might. He will live with that for the rest and he goes it's just something I didn't do that caused me to be a second round pick. There must be something that he's putting it out on him more. I mean, that's exactly what I love about this guy. He is all about it, man. He wants

to be something. Well, you know that's why you know when you look at Peanut, when I see thirty three run on the field, and we just talked to Charles Tillman, I see Charles Tillman in the body structure, the skies and the jog out to the field of Jalen Johnson. But you know what he's been able to face and short notice. But you talked about the accomplishment of his

other college teammates and how well they're playing. Maybe those guys fed and believed off of each other and we're able to develop skills faster because they had such a good supporting cast. I mean, you can make a case at least three, maybe four of those quarterbacks would be in the Hall of Fame at this point in their careers. It's a different time in their careers. But that bears defense, and he was getting attacked. He's the most attack corner in the league at this point. He hung in there.

He's got ten pass breakups, which is some impactful stuff. And that quarterback was in like eight low eighties for all those quarterbacks, so they really did some great things. All right, How you gonna tackle the big boy Sunday? You know, you better commit, and you better have multiple bodies around him. You better make him make one hesitation

step before he's a media contact to you. Because we've seen running backs of all sizes when they're determined, they have their head down, they have their speed going forward. It takes a lot of confidence for these defensive backs to jump in front of them. So if they can get those big guys up front just to make him have that hesitation step, I think you'll have a lot more help on the back end of the defense. The

second level and the third level. Gotta set that edge though, because they argue he gets going with a head of steam turning and the end, forget about it. He is gonna hit the gas and go, and that's a tough guy. More you make him go laterally, but make him more you go laterally to get that edge. I think that's the thing that slows him down the most. All right, Tom,

we'll talk on Sunday nine am. Pregame newon Kickoff on News Radio seven eighty one five point nine fmw BBM, kicking it off with Ryan, Jim and Jay in our pregame show. Thanks to everybody. Thanks for Julio Rossas, Jordan Trentop and Damn Ronie. I'm Jeff Johnny ac for Tom Fair. Thanks for listening to everybody. Thursday Night Football, The forty nine are socialing the Packers. Coming up next Chicago Sports Radio six seventy The Score. Thanks for listening to this

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