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doing all right? I'm good? Thank you for having me. Yeah, this is your debut voyage on this show, right, absolutely, Yeah, it's fun. You'll be able to Tom asks a bunch of serious questions. This is what he always tells every guest who comes in her first, I'm gonna ask all the fun questions, and then Jeff's gonna ask all the serious questions. But it's such a bologny. I likes to fancy himself. I have to say I have a serious question to start this off. To start the show, yeah,

you can't even say, like how are you? We sat down here and talk. But I don't like to talk to him off the air because I'd rather talk to him on the air. So my birthday is August sixteenth and Elvis Presley died on my birthday, and I remember it forever. Your birthdays nine to eleven. Yeah, so that day in itself, that being your birthday, is it a weird reminder every one of your birthdays? Because every every birthday I have, I'm I'm fifty eight. I still remember

that Elvis died in my birthday. When you have an event like that on your birthday, do you remember that every every birthday? I remember it, but you know it that's the only day I get to be selfish, So I you know, I think of it is like, you know, there was a lot of bad to happened that day, but in the civic I can say the one good thing is I was born that day. Right. What are your parents say about that day? I mean, you know, we don't. They don't say nothing about it, like far

as in the negative sense. We don't focus on like you know, a negative of course, we know, like it happened everything, but like the only time we like really focused on it was the two years, like the year it happened and the year after that. But after that, we just started to celebrate my birthday on the day. So reading stuff about you, I got you at six four two fifteen, six two two twenty one and six four one ninety are what are you the tallest one

on there? Right? No, No, I'm saying that those are the three different weights and heights that I have for you. When I go and read things about you, you're so you're six four right, six realistically six three and a half six about twenty one? All right, because it's different, you know, you don't know what to read be And every time I see on the practice field since the day you got here, I knew you weren't six too no,

not six too right. It's interesting because this week we had a we had a Bears Um Bears event with Roquan Smith downtown for Depity BBM on our Bears After Dark series, and Marcus Robinson was in was in the room, and Marcus was here, you know, a long time ago and was a heck of a receiver. But he started on a practice squad and wasn't getting a lot of opportunity or whatever. But he was in that mode of the first big way of big receivers, and boy he was.

He was telling stories about just how the rules have changed, Like you know, he says today he'd be tearing it up because you know you were able to beat guys up. Now you can't. So it's interesting with that size what you can do to a dbing out too with your size, and what he couldn't do or what they were able to do to him. And it's interesting when you talk to players are different Erasse. It's not that long ago, but it's interesting to me. Do you feel you have

that ability to deliver some punishment too because of your size? Oh? Yeah, I definitely have an advantage, you know when it comes to blocking, even when it comes to catching. Um, you're not gonna use my body and ways like a basketball player at box out. And you know, I kind of just smaller dbs. They size really don't affect me. You know, if the ball is around me, I'm typically can just go over, I mean catching. You remember the name Rocket strom As he grew up like ten minutes from Roquin.

Actually I don't know him personally. He was a heck of a receiver here and they had a fourteen hundred yard season and so forth. But you know that this is the value because you know, you're just you accept any little opportunity that comes your way. Right now, every target. But this is a guy who started on the practice squad and they were tearing up the bear defense. He and at running back James Allen at that time, and they finally got their chance, and look what happened. He

had a really long career, great career. You just wait for your mom and man, you just never know when it's gonna be a time. Anytime they come, I'm ready for it. But you know you're doing a good job of creating your moment because throughout my career, from the first game to the last game, I was on kickoff return every single game I ever played. Your first block on the first kickoff return for a touchdown, excellent work.

Number one. You set the guy up perfectly. You stayed on your feet, you had a great block, and then you're able to turn around and kind of, you know, try to get into Patterson's path, but it wasn't going to happen. But you did a great job on that. So those are the opportunities that you have to perform that are really going to help you expand your role on this team. Oh yeah, absolutely, Special teams is a

major especially for a guy win seventh round. You know, you gotta make your mark, or you know, find a play a way to be relevant, or you know any special teams, or you know, at any opportunity you get to be on the field, you just gotta find a way to be relevant. Would you want to stay to eighteen year whole career or did you ever imagine eating

yourself and do a tight end? Because we've had a couple of guys here in the Chicago Bears pass Emory Moore had drafted out of Colorado as a kick returner on a wide receiver, and he ended up finishing his career in double digits as a tight end. Oh that's crazy, um, with today's game, how the tight ends are not necessarily like your typical or your traditional tight ends. I mean, I wouldn't mind it if that's what a team needed me to do, but I would prefer to stay at receiver.

Well you keep blocking like that on the kickoff return? Well, yeah, you know, I just wanted to tell you it was a heck of a job and it was nice to see you get such a nice block and then have the reward of the return for a touchdown. Yeah, like I score him when I got down. See now you can imagine would have felt like around here when Devin Hester was to those guys genuinely felt like they scored touchdowns. Man, Yeah, he'd the best to do it. Well. Corderell is the

best right now in the league. I mean he's went away from mentioning the all time record. Yeah you believe that eight return touchdowns. So he's one away. And I was talking to him earlier today because he doesn't do a lot of talking. He's a fun guy though, and he's he's cool and all, but he doesn't want to talk about himself. But he does have an edge to him about this kick return thing, especially in this franchise. Oh, he takes it serious, and um, you know I want

to see him. I want to I want him to get one more and like actually tied up this year. I really do he's going to. I believe he is, you know, because he's willing to take it out. There's so many other guys that intentions. Oh, every time he's back there, if it's returnable, he's going to take it out.

I was kind of surprised though, looking back at it, because Devin returned so many and granted I knew the punt return thing was was his Bailey Wick but to think that the all time record is only eight and now they're changing the rules, So I mean, not many guys are going to be returning kick return touchdowns. They got a yes, like you said, Tom, be willing to take it out, but also have the ability to break tackles like he does. He's so thick when he gets

ahead of steam. Forget about what's a bailey wick. I don't know it's really something. Look it up. I have no that's a great question time for somebody to look it up in the dictionary. I don't know. Anyway, We're gonna take our first break over Javon Wims as we break down the Bears in twenty nineteen with the Young Wide Receiver with Tom therem Jeff Joniak, and this is

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Why the nickname Juice? Mom gave it to me? But far Yes, you gave it to when I was younger, but um far as Like when I moved to Jacksonville my friends, I had, like I don't know if you ever seen a movie Juice and Tupac play the character Bishop and he had the haircut the box fade with the part in it, and just like Tim used to, every everybody called it like the Juice, the Juice haircut. So when I'm moved to jack with my friends, they just started calling me Juice. Did you have a haircut

like that? I did? Really? How long have you been growing your hair? It was funny. So I used to have a little hair like my whole life, right, I think I had like every hairstyle you could think of. I probably have. But why why do you need to change so much? Uh? I don't think of a field thing. I don't think the change is like, while I can

grow hair, I like to at least say I did everything. Well, yeah, you know that's I always avry guys with nice heads of hair because I imagined the cushion under the helmets a lot better than you know, putting that cold plastic right on there. It is. You know, I remember this training camp, Um. One day, Prince Mukamara looked at you and they said, man, that dude got faster, and he was talking about you. Can you still get faster? Um

at this stage of your career. Is it harder to get faster or did you get faster from last year? I think I got a lot faster and quicker from last year. But that just took me like a dedication in all season and just it to a discipline because I had to change my diet and I had to change like because I was like extremely. I wouldn't say I was overweight last year, but I wait, like probably the most I have in a whole season spanning last year,

and to compare to now. So the food discipline that you have offered you here because the food is so good and there's so much of it, you know, is you know, do you have to watch yourself for from not eating too much. Oh of course, yeah, definitely. And you know when it's here and it's by you know, it's by you know, buffet style, that problem style. Yes,

it's buffet style. And usually at you know, at Georgia, you know, you kind of they have people say you, okay, now you're not eating that, you're not eating this, and now you you know, you you're on your own. So I had to just like be disciplined to tell myself okay, like during camp and during um, the beginning parts of the season, just stay on the strict mil playing certain things. So I had to cut out a lot of things that I don't eat. Now, So, what was something you

ate repeatedly last year that you definitely can't eat this year? Steaks? Okay, really, see, I wouldn't think that's so bad. It's a good protein. It is, it's great protein. But at the same time, you know, just stare with red meat. I'll take um, you know, fish and you know, baked chicken and stuff like that. Now, interesting, what do you have a cheat day? I do? Yeah, I have to actually, Yeah, since you know,

we practice and I burned it off a lot. I'm allowed to have too, all right, And do you run this through like Jen Gibson in the nutrition department or is this just your plan? Now? This is my plan, but me and I've talked with Jen about it, and you know she told me she definitely and even a strength coach, uh, you know jay Z, he definitely told me he wanted me to um, they want me to play at a lighter weight this year. You know, in the game this past week, Alan Robinson a number twenty two.

We're going at it so much, it was it was hard not for you to pay attention to it in the in the in training camp. You had a little scuffle, didn't you one practice? Yeah, you know so, but it was kind of you know, the analogy between the two is because it looked like something got under Alan Robinson's cross so bad he couldn't let it go. And I just remember being out there at that practice. You could kind of feel a little bit of You can always

feel the tension before it actually happens. Is it the same way for you as like can Alan feel it? And could you feel it in that practice? Oh? Yeah, you know, it's it's usually you know, and you know, Alan is a very calm, level headed guy. And you know, I'm calm. You know, I really won't say much during the game unless I always like barking at me, right, but you know, I pretty much won't, you know, bart it back. It's just it's the actions, the things that

people do that will get up onder me. Like you can talk all you want, but once you start doing stuff after the whistle, and once you started doing like a little small slick stuff, and then I feel like, you know, I gotta protect myself, right, Yeah, I felt maybe it was one of the tackles that he made. It was a little much Gardner Johnson in that game as a rookie out of Florida, but I don't I forgot if he's from Florida, but Florida guys like chatting

a little bit, so yeah, he was. He was getting under more than just Allen Robinson skin a little bit in that game. But again, that's part of the game too, And it was a frustrating day in the bigger picture, so you can you can appreciate people's emotions and so yeah, um, so you know, let's go with that because I think there is a lot of frustration, you know, and in the building especially on the offensive side of the ball.

But um, I know Mitch said, yeah, the players did get together and talk yesterday, and they're not gonna say what it's about, obviously because it is a player's only thing. But do you feel it was worthwhile and beneficial in the big picture? Oh? Absolutely? Um you notice, just guys, you know, not just speak on you know what was said, but just the main thing, you know, just like you know, you guys probably will hold each other accountable, you know here what you guys do. Yeah, and you know the

same thing. I'm pretty sure the chefs hold each other accountable to coaches. So it's just, you know, the main thing. We all striving for the same thing as to win. The good thing is you are a take team. You always have had, at least under Matt Naggie. Everybody enjoys working with each other, going to practice and having fun and playing. Obviously you'd like to have a little more success on offense to get those wins. But does it make it easier to talk freely when you guys have

all the meetual respect that you have for each other. Absolutely, when you have you know, like I said, everybody is there is no militia's intent. Everybody you know the same you know the same thing. Everybody want to win. So when you have you know, everybody striving for the same thing and nobody have an ego issue, nobody you know, pridee or anything like that is beautiful. And whenever you could say how you feel and not, you know, feel like you're stepping on tolls. Did you play special teams

in college? Never? Okay, So now now you're a professional and everything apps up. It's more serious now because you have to go to the seriousness of the special team meetings and it's kind of all for one and one for all. If there's one segment that's suffering, everybody in the room and suffering and then you got to go

back to offensive meetings. Has that expanded the amount of time that you're in meetings because of you're on special teams in a professional level or is it something that you know you've been a part of since you've been in the NFL. I mean I've been a part of it since you know, I've been in the NFL. You know, I always had to be in a special team meeting since I don't think um, you know, I was talking with a Rob and he told me, he said, you know,

you might as well. He used to be in and special teams until you get a thousand yard receivers or you know, one hundred plus yard receiver season. Other than that, you might. I was just being there. You know, it's better because then you have a jersey, Then you're active on game day, you're part of the roster. And you know that was always my goal was to always to be on kickoff return because I knew what if anything

else failed, I was still on kickoff return. So it is a way that you gotta, you know, stake your claim to your locker. And you look at a guy like Sherik that's been here, yeah, you know for as long as he has. It's because of his effort on special teams. Absolutely as much respect to him as well, so you know, whenever he speak, guys definitely listened. Could you be a flyer on punt team now that he's so he's in cont some protocol and they say, Gavan, we need you as a flyer, your size, your speed,

Could you make a tackle? Yeah, okay, I don't show what I could do it before, so I don't see why I couldn't doing that. Okay, Yeah, well, you know it's it's that's just not something that you do fundamentally side of it. I look at it like, you know, it's like playing basketball, rebounding, you know, rebounding, don't take

a skill, just take your effort. So special teams really it takes some you know, some technique or or whatever, but it's more of an effort thing with special with special teams had to be extremely hard to do a lot of watching last season. Yeah, yeah, that's definitely tough, was it or some tough moments for you week to week about it? Yeah, But because mainly I'm a competitor and I want to you know, I want to get

out there and I want to help. I don't want to just be out there just to be out I want to be out there and I want to help, and you know, I feel like whenever I'm contributing, the team have a better chance of winning. But that's just the competitive side than me. But you know me watching, of course, it's going to be tough. But I definitely you know, it was still supported learn anything. Yeah, of course, would you learn that I don't want to be there again? Well,

you know what, you had a good combine. I had a good combine. I was drafting the fourth round and I've been bitter because of it since you were drafted. When you got drafted, and I'm bitter, is okay, that's what I wanted to hear. I'm bitter as well, but it's gonna help you last long. All right, two bitter guys. As we get said, for the next round of Bears football Week eight, coming up against the LA Chargers, We're gonna step away here with Paul's range and Dan Borellion.

You listening, we thank you very much. It's brought to you by IGS Energy. This is Chicago Sports Radio six seventy The score Sunday's game against the LA Chargers, brought to you by Jule Osco, the official grocery store of your Chicago Bears, Jeff Jony Act, Tom There, and our special guest this week on Bears All Access is Javon Wims. You and I sat down, we did a TV interview for Bears Game Night, our Game Day Live a couple

of weeks back, and your your journey. If people haven't researched it has been, it was just kind of unbelievable that you had the the resilience to stay on track and achieve your dream. You know, we went to a bunch of schools, you had to buide your time. How did you maintain the patience and now, in turn patience free get your big opportunity here. I always just think that, you know, Um, it's tough. It's definitely hard. It's definitely hard.

But to get to where I'm at now, it definitely took a lot of um, it took a lot of patients, took a lot of sacrifice, and you know, I definitely had people in my corner, you know, who are root for me. We're helping me and praying for me. Yeah, your mom and dad first and foremost, right, the impact of those two individuals in your life. Obviously everyone wishes they had that. Not everybody does get that though certainly that's not not the case. But yeah, without it, do

you think you'd be in the NFL? Probably not, to be honest with you, Um, you know, my mom and my dad they both pushed me. And you know, you can only do so much individually. And I think, you know, individually, I probably would have I'm not gonna giving up on myself, but I probably would just settled and just stayed at my first school. But you know, just my mom and my dad making me realize how how blessed athletically I am. That it made me want to explore other options, and

that was a spark to get me. Did you want to play or did you do something in the game that made you want to play more? You know, you know what I'm saying. Did you want to go out there every day and practice and play football or did you go out there reluctantly then finally you made a big catch, you made a big hit, you made something that kind of excited you to keep playing the game. So yeah, So when I got to my first school, I was happy I was in college eighteen and happy

I was in college or whatever. But as the season went on and I wasn't really playing much, you know, I kind of was like, I'm reluctant to go kind of just there just because I got to be there. I think one of the seniors went down and I had to play like an old game, and I went off that game and then it made me I was like, Okay, this is like easy, and I really didn't even know much of the plays, and I went out and I think I had like five catches like one hundred and

fifty yards or something like that. And it was like easy for me, And I was like, Okay, yeah, I definitely if I could do that now, I definitely can do that at the next, you know, another level. So there's a year in college that you went from seventeen catches to forty five catches the next year. How did you do that? Was it study? Was it just that you matured, you got batter you started to realize your own talent. That it took. That was growth. You know.

I definitely grew in all the right areas and it was an opportunity. You know, it was time. I got an opportunity and I didn't look back. You know. They gave me more responsibility. And then as the season went off, my targets started getting more and more because I became more reliable and I you know, I told them and I went I remember having a meeting with my office recording at the time and my receiver coach and letting

them know, like, you know, I want the opportunity. I want the opportunity to make plays and help especially you know, we had at the time, had Nick Chubb and Sony Michelle. You know, two decorated backs in college, right, you know, at least I could do is give him some help so when they run the ball, so I asked for it, and you know I produced. Did they put an emphasis on blocking at the college level for you, because I think when you come to the NFL, if you don't block,

or if you're not willing to block, you're not gonna play. No, it's definitely an emphasis at Georgia, right of course, you know you guys, Riley really, um, you know, we definitely had to block, and not only just block corners and safety, you had to block d ns and linebackers as well. So you know, we definitely it was a it's a huge emphasis. Javan Whims, our guest here on Bears All

Access in Chicago Sports Radio six seventy to score. So, well, you went through last year, he's going through this year absolutely, Riley Ridley, So, as a rookie came in with the label as an outstanding route runner already like prol ready route runner. But as I was talking with your receivers coach, uh the other day, he said, man, he goes it's nothing that he's not doing. It's just there's a bunch of guys in front of him right now. Yeah, Um, same thing even when I got here last year. It's

the same thing as you know, nothing. Of course, I needed to grow in some areas and you know, same with Riley. You know, you never complete yet, so we're all still growing. But you know the same thing. You know, it's nothing that you know we're not doing. Just you know, we have great guys. You know, we have a very good receiving room. You got a pretty good crew crew

here from Georgia too. Yeah, when you look at all the guys on this team and what they really mean to the future of this Um, do you have any did you have any real good relationships in college with those guys or were you, you know, hanging with other guys in your team just because there's different ages between all you guys. No, definitely. I never played with Leonard Floyd, but Roquine played with Floyd. Me and Riley never played with Floyd. But um, of course, Me, Riley and ro

Quinn had a great relationship. Jevana Whims our guests here on Chicago Sports Radio. This is Bears All Access brought to you by IGS Energy. In terms of exactly what is going on offensively. How would you describe the overall disappointment that these things aren't working like you thought they were as an offense and what are your discussions like with teammates and so forth. Uh, you know, it's not it's not disappointment. It's more so like you know, we understand,

like with it's different defense defense. You get guys out there just swarm for the ball. And you know, it's not saying like defense is easier in the office, but it's more easier to be productive on defense offense. It takes time and takes trust, and we understand that this thing is not going to happen overnight, and you know, we're still being patient with it, but we also understand

like once it get clicking. You know, we showed last season, once it's clickings, it's gonna click and it's gonna you know, drive this train well. Matt talked last year a lot about um Mitch and the whole offense from a one on one college class to a two on one college class.

Do you feel like you're getting there? You individually as all your assignments as a receiver, the different positions you could line up, and even to even expand your role and move around and uh do things out of the backfield from an H back position, from a slot receiver to a wide receiver. Oh yeah, I feel like, you know, I definitely grown a lot from last season to now and it shows and um, you know, I feel like I could do all of those things that you mentioned.

It is just you know, opportunity. You had a good camp I did. Yeah, you did. You know. I think some of the biggest catches that you know, the crowd appreciated, there were you know, end zone efforts by yourself. It's good to see. I heard you put your dancing shoes down this week. Yeah you see that. What you see what he did this week? Tell him what you did this week? So it's pretty cool. Yeah, yesterday, yesterday, Nah,

it was Monday. So Monday, I um went to a dancing yoga class and surprised lady who was battling breast cancer. But she survived. So I gotta we got our tickets in the field, passed to this week's game, and a thousand dollars gift card while with Joel Osco. But he was there's there's video of it, I think at the bear Fair sight. So he's and it was a lot of uh seniors and a lot a lot of but all survivors cancer survivers. So what what brought you to

that event? Well, my stubmother battle against breast cancer when I was in junior college, and you know it could have been fatal, but you know she she survived and she beat it. So I made a conscious effort. Anytime there's something I can do, you know I will do it. And he did it. And so there's video of him dancing with all these ladies. They had smiles as big as she's right now, and he was showing him a mover too. Yeah, it was funny. I couldn't hear it

for some reason. I couldn't hear it. So what kind of music was being played? I couldn't even tell you what kind of music is played, but you were just moving to it. It was something that got you know, they were moving to it. So they're moving. I'm moving. Man.

You're gonna have to bring club double with you sometime if you go to another one of those dance classes and haven't put on their music at first, and then bringing the dub atmosphere around the dub cancer survivor class there featuring I got to host the class that might got to do that. Yeah, you know, we had uh twenty four buster screen in here a couple of times. And I don't know if you know this now, but he has been on television with Doctor Rodd, you know

all about all this. Yeah, he's pretty decorated. Yeah, he's decorated in a workout, workout class thing. He's got the whole workout thing going on. So maybe you get us all out there a time or two, it'd be it'd be interesting. Vine Whims, our guest here on Bears All Access on Chicago Sports Radio six seventy to score. Who you who you right? Within a team? Right now? Who? I'm tired with? Your guys? I spend majority of my time with the receivers, but farest outside of them. Uh

you know Bloud Nichols, that's my guy. You know, he stay above me, so like I'm always around him. Who's who do your locker next to? Since they put people in place, it's always interesting. Leonard Floyd and Trey Burton Florida Gator next to me? Right? All right? Keep that sec talk going? Is he chat about it? Oh? Man, you're gonna shut up at all. He's always talking about Florida. That's the thing about SEC schools. All these guys, you guys all do it. Yes, you know it's part of it. Yes,

school product. Well, last night with Roe quant and we introduced him to Marcus Robinson. Marcus Robinson had to make a point, where is he from South Carolina? To get on the chin? To get on the chin. Ro Quan likes that talk though he was getting undertime skin about Notre Dame. Well, that lost by Georgia to South Carolina killed Notre Dame's chances of getting a possible of possible national championship. Oh yeah, yeah, wouldn't getting in this chanship we ran the table. If we ran the table from

barely losing to George at home. Nah, I don't, I don't. I don't believe in you guys, who do you believe in right now? In the college game Georgia? Still yeah, Georgia. It's interesting, that's for sure. I can't believe the number of players that come out of the SEC. And you know, guys like yourself that you know, you're not a headline guy, you know in terms of uh the attention that some of them were jevers getting the SEC or elsewhere in the country. But there's places for you in the NFL.

Oh absolutely, you know, just you know, opportunity whenever it presents itself, you gotta be ready to season. Did Terrell Davis ever talked to your get you guys back in the day because he was a Georgia kid who wasn't a lot of a lot of time in the college game, became a Hall of Famer? I think yeah, Terrell Davis stopped by uh one time. If I'm not mistaken, Ben Watson did it as well, because I think he was a tight end it uh Georgia. Um it was Aj. I taught aj Green before he came and taught in

a receivering room. I was pretty How about his situation, man, almost a full year now, still not ready to play? Yeah, that's tough. Yeah, don't want Do you want to stay away from the injury? Bug? Man? Knock on wood? How are you practicing patience right now? Because you know we talked about your first decision the senior got hurt. Man, you went in and you fulfilled the role. Now it's kind of like you're patiently waiting for that opportunity to

present itself here. So how do you go back and have good work ethic and practice, but make sure that you're prepared for because you know football players, they don't care to slip in their blockers saying this is a notification where you're gonna play. It's like someone tweaked something in your ends on the spot. How are you paid going through patience right now? Oh? Well? First, when I practice, you know, I practice, you know, not to be selfish. Of course, I practice for the team, you know, for

us to be better. But you know I practice to make myself better. And I feel like, if you know, if I'm continue to make myself better, you're only get better, You're getting worse. It's no in between, it's no like just you're just cruising. So every time I'm out there, you know, I'm watching Alerup, I'm watching Taylor Gabriel and you know those guys who had success in the NFL. And I take especially a rod, I take a bout the same size. I take everything he'd do and I

incorporate it in my game. And every time I'm out in practice, I try literally the stuff that he did last game that got I'm open. Where there's releases is at the top his roup. I may try it and add it in my game and just put my own twist on it. Who's the tallest between you a Rod and Cordelle? We probably pretty tight, Yeah, probably the same height. I'm gonna go with Jews, Yeah yeah, and then maybe quarter and then maybe Alan. Yeah it might be that way. Actually,

who knows. It's a group of big guys, right, you put him on the line of scrimmage, You're not gonna have matchup coverage against them, all right, We gotta take a break. One more segment here with Javon Wims, our guest here on Chicago Sports Radio six seventy to Score. Be sure to stop by the Middle Light Ultimate Tailgate before the next Bears home game on Sunday, October twenty seventh. The tailgate opens at ten am through one hour post

game and located at the Field Museum. Ultimate Tailgate free for fans of all ages and a great place to stop for food and drinks before heading into the game. Javon Wims our guest with Tom There, I'm Jeff Joniak. Thanks for listening to everybody here on Chicago Sports Radio six seventy The Score. You talked about Alan Robinson before the break, and he continues to impress me and everybody else again with his seriousness and his attention to detail.

And you know, Mike Furrey says, if you can get a target catch rate anywhere between seventy seventy eight percent, you know you're in the elite category. And the first time in his career, at least at this point through seven games, he's in. He's in the mid seventies. He's always been in the sixties and the fifties for a variety of reasons. Got a lot of targets back in Jacksonville and so forth. But when that happens, that that

makes you in a special category. Absolutely to get there though, it involves not only the right offense, but the concentration, winning your routes, winning the top of your routes. Out of all that, what is fury unlocked in you that you can see yourself doing that? One day? Um, it just showed me that. You know, I've definitely learned a lot from him, and I definitely you know, he played receiver and he had success. And one thing about me, I've never truly had a receiver coach. Even when you

know I never had a receiver what are you talking? Well, you know I had a receiver coach at Georgia, but he was not never had a guy who played the position. I had success at it. You know, my receiver coach at the time, he's a great officer of mine. He was an officer of coordinator. But you know, for is the first like receiver coach that I've actually had that, you know, know all the details and know everything is about being a receiver. So even going back to high school,

I pretty much was my own coach. Junior college, Yeah, but my coach specialized in defense. It was my receiver coach. Interesting, that was his thing. Wow, So do you feel kind of jipped a little bit from a coaching point of view? I won't say. I won't say that because I've definitely learned, you know, everywhere I went. I'm not they were great coaches. It's just I've learned, you know, something that they knew.

So when I was at junior college with my coach, I learned how DBS think because he was you know that his thing was DBS. When I was at Georgia, I learned how to recognize a whole offense from the quarterback point of view. And according to this point of view, that's why I think, you know, picking up the offense is kind of easier to me now, you know, learning from him. So everywhere I went, I've learned something so interesting. It's just one big puzzle. You've put together list like

I'm just putting together meeting a fabric of that is interesting. Absolutely. So with Fury, I mean he's obviously he was outstanding receiver. You know, a guy had you know, one hundreds some catches in one season and he's fiery and looks like he could still play. I don't tell him that. Yeah, but the tech he's he is stick, he's all yoked up. But the little the anybody I can't say anybody because

that would be ridiculous. But you know, guys can play pitch and catch, but can you get open and actually doing You gotta be able to get off finding your route absolutely, so what does that take when people when people hear the term gotta refine you gotta refine his route running? What does that mean? That's just you know, more so like just discipline and even when you win at the line of scrimmage, to not get over excited and abandoning, you know, abandon everything that you've been training.

You know, when you win still stay levelheaded and just complete the route. You know, it just it just take like Hiss routine and his discipline. It's can So you know, you talk about climbing the ladder when you come to the NFL, and a lot of your reps early in training camp come with Chase Daniel. Can a guy like him with his experience, even though he's not a receiver, help you talk about routes a little bit more just because he has experience in the system and years of

experience of seeing other receivers. I'm sure he can. You know. Also does he help you also? And camp he definitely did, just you know, talking with him and trying to understand what he saw from a quarterback point of view, because you know, it's always you know, you know what I tell him what I saw, or he had tell me what he saw, but most poorly, you know, I want to know what the quarterback saw because whatever he saw,

he's throwing the ball. So I want to see the same thing he see so I can make sure I get the ball. Kind of good discussions do you have with Mitch Trubisky? What are the relationship questions in terms of football that you guys talk about throughout the course of a practice or after practice or in the meeting room, just pretty much trying to get on the same page whether there is you know, you know, I saw you

know your route in this way. You know if you did it this way, you know able to help me out as a quarterback, and you know, I explain to him or maybe I would explain to him why I did a route a certain way, you know, to kind of help make sure I got open and stayed on his time and stayed on his path. What about talking

to defensive backs? Can you have a conversation with those guys at this point and they tell your details about your gate or something if you're you know, the way you want to run aroute or how to work something more efficiently against the defensive back. Oh absolutely, Prince, you know, And I hated going against him account because he's like

he he knows everything, him and Kyle. But you know I would tell him and I would ask him all the time, like you don't even know to play, so how why would you take off, you know, running or and he would tell me like, oh, well, when you for example, when you raise up while you in the middle of your route, I know, you're probably about to stop, you know, or yeah, yeah, it's just certain things, this small little details like that, you know, they will give

great feedback. So I'm like, okay, I needed that, So how do you take it from practice the Sunday? Those little nuances. So they because in the heat of the moment sometimes it's the only natural thing. All those things you work, I may go out the window because you want to make a big play. Well, it's just like you said, just gotta like you gotta be level headed, you gotta understand and you know, go go back to your training. And that's why I'm saying, like just refining

you know, routes. You gotta stay disciplined. You know, even if you may win in the line of scrimmage, you gotta stay disciplined in details. If I got a regular go route and I went at the line of scrimmage, don't fade away trying to stack them, because me fading away the cornerback maybe a four or two guy and there's no way you know, four or four, four five guy go probably out run a four or two guy. So if I stack him, I have our opportunity to

outrun him because he can't run through my body. But if I fade away, then he has an angle to catch up to me. So just small details like that. Let me just say, because people who don't know the game enough to understand what stacking is, yeah, explain a little more stacking terms. So if me and you are are racing, If me and you're racing and there's no rules to the race, I want to take my body and put place my body in front of your body

so that you cannot run past me. The only way for you to be past me is for you to literally run your body through me. Very good when yeah, you know he wants to be in this business one I always talk. Yeah, it's practice. You like you like the headset? I love it? I love it. Are you a football fan? Do you watch football when it's on? I'm a football fan. I'm more of a basketball fan. Yeah. Yeah, so you gotta be happy that the NBA opening season.

But if you're watching football, do you gravitate towards the wide receivers dbs only or do you watch the game now? That's funny, So whenever I watch football now, it's like I see it different. So whenever something happens or like a play happen. You know, I'm like, Okay, that's a m a missus signmon, that's a bust at coverage or can't have that Mays. Y'all know you can't have it Mays. But or you may. Um, I just see the game from more of a not of fans point of you.

Now I see it from like more of an excess and those point you're watching as a business game, Yeah, I'm watching it is like, oh, like he's just wanting that line of screamer, she should get the ball, or like I'm looking at defenses just naturally because now it's just something in the NFL. I can't do nothing but paint it. And okay, they're playing a lot of this on this down. It's just certain things I'm now gravitating to it that I wouldn't have known three years ago.

So a team that you don't see very often in your football life, and you won't see the Sandy or the LA Chargers very often. Is it more difficult because you don't see an opponent very much? Or is it easier when you see Green Bay Detroit, Minnesota a couple of times a year. Oh? I honestly it's harder to I think I believe it's hard to be any team more than once play him like two times or three times the season. It's hard to be a team twice,

no matter how good or you know, a bad. It recommends, you know, show it's just hard to be the team twice. But it's definitely whenever you got to play a team once, it's definitely. I think it's more of a I would say easier, but it's you have a higher chance of you know, winning time. The Chargers are real quick. What you seeing defensively a great defensive team. They got some you know, you got some guys on defense. And you know, I think, you know, we stick to you know, the

things that we do good, we should be fine. You guys feel confident of course, noon start on a Sunday no less. I mean you talk about the up and down roller coaster schedule that you have had, the night games to London and stuff. I mean in a good old fashioned noon startlight. I love the Neon game to

sign is out? I love it all right, Bailey Wick, we got a definition really ready the sphere in which one has superior knowledge or authority, a special domain, or it could be the office of juredition, of a bailiff, So that's not the case. Hey, we gotta let you go. Oh you enjoy and I hope you'll come back some time. Oh, absolutely anytime. Appreciate your time, Javin Williams. Good luck on Sunday and the rest of the season as the Bears

meet the Chargers. Time and I'll be back for one more thought on the game coming up on Sunday after this break on Chicago Sports Radio six seventy The Score back, whether you're on Chicago Sports Radio six seventy the score, Jeff, and time with you Javon Wims. They enjoy talking to you know why, because he's another one of these self

made players. And the part I didn't realize was, you know, the type of coaching these guys are getting along the way, and sometimes it's not as precise as it maybe should be or could be, or because of staffing limitations, or whether you get to the NFL because you had to go through junior college first and wait your turn to get to a big time school, and then you get to the big time school and they're not throwing the

ball or running the ball. Wow, first time you're getting coached is the NFL level as a seventh round pick. So what that tells me his ceiling is very high. Oh, no doubt about it, Javon Wims is the brightness of his future is ahead of him. And you know the thing about it is last year when we are watching him, he wasn't having the practices that he needed to have in the place he was drafted with his skill set.

This training camp was completely different for him that he was making the big catches that he was expected to make in that type of working atmosphere. When he's got his opportunities in the games, he's been able to answer the bell. But you know, you're kind of sitting on that competitive bench. It's the same bench that I sat on waiting for my opportunity to present itself. And there's

just not a lot of notification in the NFL. So in Javon's case, from this point on, when that opportunity other than Game seventeen and eighteen at the end of a regular season, somewhere in the midst of a regular season, that opportunity has to go out and play forty five snaps, that's when we got to see Javon Wims. All right, did you listen to news conferences this week and what was your impression of everything, and the fact that they

did have a player's only meeting. We won't know what was discussed, but it seemed to be a cathartic moment for the guys. First of all, I hate players only meetings. I'm not for that. I don't think you really accomplish anything. It's not like you're going to make someone. Yeah, you're not going to make someone bigger, faster, stronger, more dedicated. It may be able to air out some grievances, but I don't think there's any grievances in the locker room. I think it's just a way to make sure that

everybody stayed and staying in a focused, positive direction. And because the team meetings that I've always been a part of is when we are kind of in a you know, just trying to save the season earlier, in a disaster mode, and so I just think it's about understanding what you need to do in order to get better. And there's a lot of things that you know, statistically, you know, you could check the box of what things you need to do in order to get better. It's pretty simple. Yeah,

And that's what I'm saying. You can talk about the topic at the podium, but the topic was pretty central. What's your impression of the Chargers. I love Philip Rivers. He's the most awkward looking athlete with the best results I've ever seen. His dedication to his teammates. He makes receivers better. He's building a young tight end. He's got a running back that held out, so he developed the running back that was next in line, and he's actually

performing better than Melvin Gordon who held out. They have some defensive injuries that are obviously holding them back, but they got a coach that has a lot of energy, and the most important player on their team is the best player on their team in Philip Rivers. Russell inspected back. He had a pulmonary embolism that caused blood clots. Very dangerous situation, but you know, he's an outstanding tackle and very Their tackles are nameless right now. I mean they're

they're working through a lot of injuries. Three guys already on ir for the rest of the season. That's kind of complicated them a little bit. They're not They're scoring twenty points a game, but that's the scary part. They do throw the ball well enough to move the chains. Well, that's the thing about it. I think it puts a sense of urgency in the head of Philip Rivers. He's not gonna sit there and say, Okay, I'm gonna have

four four seconds up protection. He's going to look at the defense and say, where's my biggest vulnerable vulnerability lie, and I'm gonna get the ball out of my hands. Sometimes makes desperation a better a bigger weapon. And I hate to say it because going back to the eighty five season and playing that Miami Dolphins game when Dan Marino was kind of clued in and what he could do to that defense and how quickly he needed to

get it done to stay safe. They did it. And that's so I had the same concerns for the defensively Black Joey Bosa and Brandon Mebane. That's a good place to start, right, Cut them often early and often make them think about something other than using their hands to disengage from a tackle. Sounds like an offensive lineman that

you are all right, We'll talk to you. Have the radio on Sunday on News Radio seven eighty and one or five point FWBBM nine AM pregame noon kickoff thanks for joining us, everybody, for Paul's arranging, Dan Billy our producers, and for you for listening to John Wimson, Tom therem Jeff Jonia, This is Chicago Sports Radio six seventy The Score,