Welcome to Chewing the Code with Mike, ben Yon Rowe and Lee Robertson. Oh, welcome to this week's special episode of Chewing the Cud that we're calling Wish you were Queer. That's right. This week we have sent Mike and doctor Phil Away to Kuala Lumper in Malaysia. But before that, I'm just going to remind you all of the ways of getting hold of us. It's at the cud TV on social media where you can follow us, the could dot tv for the website, and on YouTube and podcast services look for Chewing
the Cud and hit subscribe. And there's people who have commented on our social media. Their names scroll along the bottom of the screen week over to Phillo Mike in Malaysia. So we're going to do it, hanppy walk, I'm already Sweaty's eighty something percent humidity a thousand degrees see um, and I'm going up further. Already's health to you. I'm saying, okay, you can talk, I can talk canto. Ohay, So it's very human, just said moment on the video of there. Yes, about eighty five nine humidity.
Yeah, okay, let's struggling. I'm sure I'm climbing up a huge staircase almost, tess, that's okay, Few, I'm lost in heat. Okay, it's doctor Phil. Everybody. That's a film, big clever, clever editing there because you actually said something at that point out and puts some different audience. Can I just say not a massive fan of the rope walk so far? Okay? This is actually in the city center. This is okay, we'll forgetting actually rainforest. It's just bubbly, bouncy, and I
do like bouncy on things not normally a bridge. It doesn't look particularly busy. It wasn't very busy on the walkway, but fifty feet below us quite a busy city. Okay. For there any animals in the cannopoo parrots, some birds, and hornbills and a lott of hornbill, horned bills, houndbills, horn bills. Did they make you feel welcome in Kuala Lumper? Yes, actually very welcoming, very very accommodating. Special. Did they make you feel specially in que Lump? Please? Every how did how? Did you?
How? What do we call people from Queala Lumper? Quala Lumpians Malaysian Malaysian Malaysian yes, lumber is the city. Malaysia is the Oh okay, okay, so how how were they? How are the people very welcoming, very friendly? No, very talkative as well? Okay, yeah? Do they speak English? Really good English? It's next English colony. So like the plugs and everything, are the British plugs? Oh okay, that's always a bonus, is Yeah, because I've spent twenty five minutes looking for a
converter and no, did you did you? Did you do hydrate any point? Because you look quite set? I drank a lot of liquid while I was over there. Wow. But yeah, I've not yet finished on the water weather. Oh obviously still more, still a lot more on the waterway to come. Oh how interesting you would have a look now? Shoun't be
any of that this holiday either, because it's illegal. I mean, not to compare call a lumper to um London, but in hub in Kensington Garden, they have like a walk away in the trees and there's a little lot higher. I won't this is a lot higher. This is literally in the tree tops of an ancient forest. So if you look at the buildings around the side, I'm at the same level as some of the building. It's very hot. That is a tower in Kuala Lumpa Qual lump A Tower.
Shall be going up that shortly because I'm doing so well with heights, the World's peace Gong, not as I thought, the world's biggest dong, something very diasy mistakes specialty videos only. Now we have a large direction, and on said a large direction, I shall be going up and meeting the head cheeky Hello, I'm moist. I am Mike pinion Ron. You're watching you in that cord. Welcome to Malaysia. We're going up the Kla Qua Lumpa Tower, which is a massive, massive building. It's huge with a massive
head. Those of you are familiar with the show, yes, well do you what to see? Should we have a look? How big that? It's massive? Four angles? So yes, we're going up there, Doctor Phil and I in Malaysia to have a look around the rest of Kuala lump Walking on AstroTurf which has been wetted, so it's wet and slippy and a humidity is like eighty five twenty nine degrees c. It's half past eleven in
the morning. It's going to get hotter and more humid. Yes, we'll teach you more about that in that science that is, but I speak to your later. Was that not actually somebody who wept? It was just the sweat that it was. Actually someone was was wetting it as we were walking past them to stop it from melting, not to keep it cool. Okay, because people were walking on it barefoot and stuff like, Oh that's nice. But I'd already walked a little bit and I was that sweaty. It's
like nothing was making my shoes come off. Why why I choose somewhere like that, Mike, when you're when you're adverse to the heat, I'm not adverse to the heat. I'm adverse to humidity. Okay, Yeah, so I actually got up to like thirty two degrees and ninety eight percent humidity. You needs that go around your neck. I tried one of those. Didn't work. It didn't work. Still, sweaty mess. Did your pubs go
very frizzy? Did you not see my beard? It was? I had a bit of an extreme trim oh later that day because it's like a fish and chip shot down there. Oh oh, hopping sopping? It was. Yeah, that's very clean. It was very clean, very lovely. We're still talking about my pubis do we get to see you go up that thing? I think we might go up that in part two? Oh interesting? Why not? But yeah, we ever been in awhere that hot and sweaty
other than the sauna obviously not a sexy time sauna like them now. And I've been to Australia in my heat in Australia in the summertime, and I did not believe what I was told. I was like, yeah, whatever. Then they were like no, genuinely, it's horrific, and I'm like whatever. So the plane landed fine. After plane Brisbane, okay, in their summer so it would have been January. Through the airport, I'm thinking, well, went through the doors, collapsed, nowhere, nowhere to breathe.
Yeah. Um. I pretty much was sudden for the first week. Not in a good way, Okay, get you acclimatized after a while. I stayed pretty sweating for the duration. For the duration of the holiday, yeah, I mean everywhere anywhere inside had air condition, which was blissfully beautiful. All right. I'm to the point in the air in the hotel room
we had it that cold. I was wearing the jams. Oh, I was like, oh cold, but yeah, it cares about the environment, Mike, when I was being cold for a change, I care about the rangutans rank that air conditioning, but I prefer to be cool. What's coming in part two? Marke? Are we going to see anything silicious? Silicious? Yes, nudes, but you're going to see me straddling a giant shaft and rotating my body around his head, stick around, Welcome back. We're
still adventuring round Kuala. Lumber rejoined Mike and Phil as they ascend a giant shafts lived music. It's not how many floors we go a lot. It didn't have floor numbers. It would have just literally you pressed uponet. It took you all the way to the top. But did you go straight to the top? Straight to the top. So here we are. We're up here, bearish thin idea, isn't it? Oh? I don't like that. I care for about it on the outside. Yeah, it's like in
the air. Oh no, no, there's a piece of glass there. Okay, because also film things. It's not rotating now they have to walk round it. When they missed, they missed, they missed a drake there, didn't they what having it rotate? It's huge, you know, the size of it. Couldn't not take that, o God. So the stadium that you could see down there was the site of the official Malaise independence decoration of their firsts nineteen fifty seven. Okay, who's optill in nineteen nineties when
the new stadium opened in nineteen ninety six. So while you in Malaysia, if you want to do a base jump and jump off the top of this, how you can do? And that's where you would land if you were so inclined or de inclined as the case may Bee. Did you not fancy though? No, a lot of fancy jumping off a massive tower, but it compels a bit of wind. That would have been that would have been
refreshing. Did she scream into the void? And here we have views of the Golden Triangle, which is quite up as busiest city center, comprising popular shopping landmarks, tourist attractions, business officers and hotels. Also lots of eaterries along the walkways as well. Just good because we do like to eat things. Shove them in my face. That's food, right, that's food. Yes, very very built up, isn't it it is? Yeah, they
have the patronas towers. Hims have been very tall and being expelled out of a young boy's wand I think they have us beIN Kuala Lumpur in Malaysia. Is that there's that whole mix of old new So that's a colonial building right next to a stride praper and there we have our residults for the evening. Do I need to buy lee ah present? Actually they're much more lee? Excuse me? How much other? So? Have you bought me things? Have I bought you a present? Yeah? Well you go to that shoe
thing? I get me a key ring? Yes? Yeah? And what you stole off the plane? Yeah? Yeah? What steals off the plane? Is there anything else? Do you think I would have spent some some money? You stime? No, I didn't buy anything. You didn't buy anything, a bitch? Whatever? Um, Yeah, it's very high up. Did you did you? Did you go swimming on the swimming pool on the top of the hotel? Yeah? I did. I didn't film that, didn't film to see the red White? No? What about? What
about? What about a romantic dalliance? Is that allowed there the homosexual variety? No? Would you talk about that a little bit? Never? Not even an in Kuala Lumper. Oh no, And now I'm going to take you on a quick tour of an old market. So here we are central market in Mark here since eighteen eighty. Apparently in the background you've got the Kale Tower had some older buildings right next to the Art Deco building. There's
lots of local artists and things in here, so very descriptive building. Well, there are some old buildings right next to an Art Deco building. Right now, you're going to fall in love with this market a little bit. Is it unbelievably full of tart? Is it? They call it local art and local crafts, insects and things, some crystal things. I'm drawn. I'm not sure why I'm drawn to these things, but I'm drawn to something really liked the big one on the right outside. Yeah, did you not?
Did you not enquire of the price. It's like a book plug h h. And if you like your art really good in it, then you can go to the ping Hard Center because he's paying mh. So in New can keepetting adverts for the Twitter gentleman's aid you know what I mean? Um to make fun times more fun. Whereas yeah, you could get something yeah, Placid Express move on. They do jump Ba sausage. Everyone in the
world has a Jumbo sausage Master Chrispy. Yes. Yes. So we're traveling around this market and it's quite loving because there's big fans in the ceiling which are wafting. It's a wafted as we walk around, muspective white on top and I'm not Dan Russ repellent was dried and fall off my face. It's very lovely loss of falls. Did you did you partake in it in a local delicacy or two, or in Placid Express. I don't know what what was in Placid Express. It was just a chemist okay, but apparently they're
all called Placid. Perhaps they sell like none biagress. Yeah, yeah, but on the street foods street foods, Yeah, I had a lot of lovely food. Did you use over there here? So around that market there's a lot of fruit stalls. Okay, So at any point you could just go, oh, I'll have one of those glazing over at me talking about fruit, aren't you? Yeah? Dipped in chocolate nice back in the room. Actually, all the stores and stuff that had lots of ice on the
stuff, so it's all really cool. Yeah, I kind of want to jump in it a couple of times. Is it one of those places where you have to be careful of the water, okause it gives you poopy doops, pop doops. Well, I had all of the tablets in the world with me to make it quicker, to make it slower, make it to make it softer. There's full selection. But we stayed away from tap water. We could just bottle, just bottled water because it's easy to carry kay
walking around. Water in the hands like, that's very messy, evaporates quite dribbles down his top. Yeah, yeah, interesting. Yeah, so like any of the tat in the markets, I mean, sorry, art Um, you know some of it was reasonable locking Yeah, I'm not quite sure about the Yes, it was busy big and Quita Lumper not so much. It was more about the fact he could do good portraits of people. Oh okay, he shows him. Yeah. Do we not tempted to go and sit and for a portrait? No? No, it worked out at twenty
three pounds. That's not so bad. That's not so bad. But sat down in a non air conditioned room while he did it his studio and air commed I didn't want to sit down wind because by this point in the day, you know, it's just after lunch time, it's very humid, very hot. Everywhere was wet. Do we not go for a little nap in the afternoon like in Spain? No, No, they just can't go. Well, they tend to when it when it starts to rain. We got to sleep when it rains, Yeah, because rock on the street sleep,
Yes, because the rain isn't like rain. It's it's literally sheets of water falling from the Okay, it's warm, which is quite pleasant. Again, naked on the streets, Not on the streets, just on the terraces. Maybe. Oh, it sounds like you had experience in smart I had some experiences of naked rain of Dakey rain. Yeah. Yeah, we've actually got some video of the rain now, very heavy rain that Yeah, it was.
It was, yes, scary like a thunderstorm. Though it was lovely because it cleared the air for about thirty seconds and then it got really humid again on like oh yeah, perhaps like the best time of you to grow. Then it's always like it's rainforests like that all the time. Yeah. Sometimes it only rains like that once a day. Sometimes it rains like that twice a day. It doesn't really have a a dry season. Yeah, it's tropics. It's the tropics. It's the rainforest. They call it the
rainforest because it rains. It rains. There's a forest exactly. Yeah. Stick around because coming up we've got more bits of qual Lumper. Welcome back to this week's special Wish you a queer episode of Chewing the Cut. Phil and I are still going round Quita Lumpur. So now, Mike, you promise to me and Monik now I want diamonds. This is the National Palace of Malaysia, but the king lives. It's Islamic and design habit is very
beautiful. Hi. Here we are at the National Palace of Malaysia. King lives there like ours, but nicer, lost gold, Islamic design, very pretty, big place, big place, very open, splace, very opened, very opened. Look around with me. Lots of things in the background. Yes, Phil, did you go in? No, weren't allowed in, not allowed in it all. It's his house. Yeah, but we're allowed to go in, working in palace. Weren't always allowed to go in booking a palace though, Yeah, but we are, well we're not yet.
So you could just go to the gates. Well, I could go with that far ast to go? Oh he went to go any fair armed guards probably, You couldn't look do look suspicious? You couldn't look through and see the big Dipper or anything like that, either fairy swee or anything. No, actually, a theme parks someone I was the king. Uh huh, that will be a theme park. Okay, and you'd have a big dipper. Yeah, but I wouldn't let people in it. Would you go on it? Yeah? Okay, it's a very big big dipper. Just
doesn't like there's a lot of people around. Are they all inside because it's too hot? No, it's it's Actually at that point in the day it was quite cool. Compared to every other time, it was more of a case of it's it's a touristy place. Not many locals go to the gates of the palaceing of higher Ye aren't they trekking through a load of forests? That is a prime location for a mister Whippey. Isn't it a lot of
space? They don't really have mister Whippy in Malaysia. Well, whatever their version is ice cream, Yeah, they could have a that's a that's prime local. You can make a mint for the seven tourists, because it sounds like you're always in need of some hydration and water with me, always had water with me. Well, so I said before about you know the sheets of rain and stuff. Right, well, it looks very beautiful after the rain and before the rains. I just wanted to show you the comparison between
the two. So this is at night at the top of the hotel. How beautiful it looks. It does indeed mark it's very futuristic. Oh that pole does that? Does that? Does that change colors? That the head of on the shaft does change color? Depending on mood, It does go purple. I did giggle when it happened. And this is literally the rain. Okay, so just after it rains, you get this massive mist as
it starts to create clouds. So beautiful cityscape is all obscured by the mist and cloud and then it goes away, and it goes away, it goes beautiful again. So far slightly disappointed with a lack of the wild range apes. Okay, they tend not to be in city centers. I thought, I thought they kind of like integrated. Got jobs and ship Yeah, I haven't got jobs on the street. Drivers and stuff like begging for bananas and bananas. Mate, No, no, I have to go far. You
have to go on another plane for those Oh my goodness. Yeah, didn't have a zoo in the in the Kuala lumpers up. Yeah, no, it had a water park. That No, it had a water park. What's in there? Then? Slides and rapids? Well, that's not what I was did you Did you frequent that assublishment? No, because because that's
the what was there for. I was there for local things, local thing local and local people will have lots of trouble here because that even we went round the outdoor market, okay, and I discovered that phil really can't barter for for anything. Oh one point, great, Now, this is a place called the clay Pot chicken rice okay. I was told to go here off off a friend. Right. This is at the end of the market, okay. And for the two of us to eat right, cost us
three pounds and it was delicious. It was chicken and rice and vegetable things. That's apple juice. And to make apple juice they got an apple and lit it and then I mean that's a that's a dietary explosion, right waiting to happen. It was a clean through, It was a clean throat. Yeah, but yeah, yeah. Do you do they have like there is massive purple head spectacular, Yes, dud do you can? Can you go
in there and now you have a little bit of a rave. You don't really have a rave up there because you're inside the bit thing that's shining light out? Oh okay, so you're just in the in the vestibule. I want to say, um, just wandering around? Do they have any disc at texts? Am I any nightline? Do you have some night left and disc at texts? Frequently? I didn't? You didn't? No, I did not. I did not. I did not want to brave it. Oh okay, they light on your loafers and a little bit special yeah,
or light on yeah songs. Why are you talking about my underwear? Well, not flip flops. Flip flops, oh, flip flops. Not my song. Tongue is Australian for flip flops. It is austral for flip flops. Or I thought you meant my underhands. Yeah, but you're like quite little camp things, don't you? I do? Would you like to look around the butterfly sanctuary quality? Oh? Yes, M currently in a butterfly sanctuary. Quite nice butterflies flapping about, quite lovely, very shocking way.
Um we're talking about nine percent minutes now, that's a lot going on. Um, yeah, I'm good to do another. It's an even more humid place people, dragon fly Yeah, very warm. I was just about to sell far pretty butterfly light. You know that they're flying around. They're just very quick. And the reason why it's so humid is because they're pumping all this water into the air for the butterflies, because apparently butterflies really like it
humid. Well, they need the humidity, don't they not that much the selfish wings. While we're here, might as well talk to you about the rules about LGBTQ plus people in all these butterfly places, which is, you know, lovely camp things flapping about. Actually, yes, don't have a
great history. The LGBTQ plus rights are the instant and um, I mean I still once said that if there's only two ways you get to be an LGBTQ plus character on television, either repenting or dead, so not not great or all sex with a man is illegal, regardless of sexuality, and um sodomite is a word that's used in the law. It's from the British British British law and when it was a British colony. So yes, there's fun. There are gay barts, not going into any because twenty years imprisonment not
going to be fun. Lots of pretty butterflies. Then I once went to Chester Zoo, Wow again comparable that the same, and went in their butterfly house. Giant butterfly landed on me because it knew, it knew what knew that I was a homosexual, and it adorned me. And I was like, stood, theyre going, what are we doing now? Then well I couldn't shook it stuck on there and I was like with me forever we were with a glue on your It was just there. And then the woman,
I don't think you were a butterfly keeper, wrangler. I don't know wrangler, just flicked it off in a stick, no airs or graces. So the humidity of the butterfly house in um call Lumper, Chester Zoo, Yes you're in right, very humid, Yeah, very humid. Yeah, that was not sent okay, And I was like ninety five right did they kind of like fly? And then die when they got to certain certain around you because of the stwength stench that was coming off, and just went on the
ground. I still smell delicious. I was just very sweaty. You went dipped in insect repellent. Yeah, that's not how insect repult works. So insect repellent basically masks your smell so they can't see you, And buttes don't tend to be that can't infer. They tend not to drink a lot of tourists, yeah, which is always a boner. Yeah, like the mosquitoes and things which quite happy to Did you see what we've got mosquitoes with a big spide, big spiders like hand sized spiders. Not really faith in the
night. No no, no, no, not big spiders. Cockroaches. Um, yes, they did have cockroaches, and they have some of the world's biggest woodlace o big scary ones. No no more, more like the small things that would kill you, run the big things that kill you. Okay, it's hot, some big things don't like it. Oh they can't be bothered exactly too all okay, yeah, coming up next, Mike goes on grinder. You're watching you in the cud I've loaded up my networking applications
and I'm ready to go. So while Phil was asleep, you went looking for Shagrin. I'm still hearing qual lump up. And while we've been here, I've been talking to some people on some social networking applications about what it's like to live here. As members of the LGBT community, are probably aware that it's not the best track record. So after asking people, they turn and said, I'm not really comfortable being on camera or having a voice recording.
So the conversation you're about to hear i've been voiced over, but our actual conversations from the networking application first person, we're going to speak to his Bob. He's a thirty five year old who's recently moved back to qual Lumber. The first day I asked Bob was what is it like being LGBTQ plus in Quala Lumper. I'd say it's slightly better compared to other cities. People might not be acceptance, but at least you can be yourself somehow and somewhat
so Gays tend to be more comfortable. I feel ps I've been living abroad for more than twelve years, just recently back to Kuala Lumper since last week. L that's good. Being yourself is very important. Where are you living before? Right? I don't like to hide or pretend to be someone that I'm not, so I don't give here. I will also kiss my husband on the streets, shopping malls, etc. I've lived in Singapore and Shanghai.
And what's the reaction when you kiss your husband in public? People will either choose to pretend they've never seen anything, or with judgmental eyes shrug shrug, shrug emoji, shrug emoji. And what would happen if the police saw you'd kissing your husband. I don't think we'll be getting any troubles as long as we don't or be naked on the street. I'm not quite sure to be honest, Yes, I guess in the street is a big no no. But since this is a dominant Malay and Muslim country, so long as
I'm Chinese should be fine. Right. Love life in the US or Europe, well, we can't treaty either. Well, at least dere's gay pride LGBT events. In such events, there were many actions ongoing. I've been there, so I have seen a lot. Lol. I think he has been sourced to then, wasn't he. Do you think it would be different if you're in Malaysians, Yes, Mallee will get in trouble. What's a
lot of trouble. Police might approach you and might be going to prison for several days, not quite short, but at least this is what I heard. I know I've been very aware of my own conduct, not being perceived to be gay. Would you say it's easier for foreigners, Well, foreigners are completely fine whenever and wherever in Southeast Asia because foreigners tend to be more open minded and open so I don't have to be straight acting next less boot
to. A twenty year old will call Frank, who grew up in quel Lumber, what's it right from your point of view and growing up with your experiences, it's all right. I think a comparison would make it easier. For example, against other Muslim countries, it fares pretty well. I was in Dubai just two weeks ago, and you need a VPN for grinder, and it definitely felt a lot more risky and restrictive. It also depends on what religion you are and where it comes to the law. I've seen reports
of gay bars being raided by police. What does that happen often? There was a raid on a gay Halloween party a few months ago. It was three weeks before the election, so it was mainly a political move. They brought all the Muslim guys to detainment. Do you ever feel like you have to change your behavior in any way when you're out and about. Not really, no, but maybe I've already subconsciously did that when I was younger, So now I'm used to displaying the correct behavior. I can understand that.
Can you see your time when you're more protected as an LGBTQ plus person by the law in the future it maybe three to five decades and also not explicitly protect mores just no laws are in place to discriminate LGBTQ plus people. And that's two views from LGBTQ plus people within qua lumper at the moment. It's interesting that twenty year old is sort of like saying it's going to be at least thirty or forty years, so he's seventy before he's even protected by the
law and not persecuted. Did you not get fed up and say, why are you asking me all these questions? When do you want to see my coock. No, because I started off the conversation saying, oh, okay, you weren't you weren't you weren't I wasn't teasing them, and no, no, but yeah it was. It was really weird because I said, would be up for me for a coffee and that sort of thing and doing count and nobody wants to do on camera or even have their voices recorded.
As I said, it was. It's really weird that they were being very open with someone still being very guarded about it behind the screen. Yeah. Well, I suppose if the alternative visu you get arrested and throwing into prison. You're not going to up to twenty years in prison. You can get I'd done no chance that as soon as I got off the plane. The camp, that's what I say. You can be camp. You can be camp, but no no gainness, no gainers. Right in the country.
It sounds like the country with me. Yeah yeah. Oral sex with a man, irrespective of who you are, okay, right, is illegal? Oh all about with yourself with it? No, not even not even your round pep, not even your own, not even somebody else. Is not even if you're a girl doing it to a boy completely on oral. Wow, how do I say a lot of people now it's like they cut your hands off in it. Do they have do they have like gay bars and drag bars and stuff? They're too so glad you were listening to it and
talking about the raids on gay bars, Low Low Bolu. They did have a gay bar, and we did get tempted to go to one, but when we found out about the you know, likelihood of police been raiding that sort of thing, and we didn't want to risk it. Yeah, as I said, it was I was very aware that i'd modified my behavior went out in public. Well, you were up right for a starts on, trousers were up, that sweaty didn't need slipped and slipped out without noticing.
Is there no like drag culture? Do they not like have a quala lumper drag race? Not really not really really a bit of a bit of a sad, sad of affair. It's it's a very very conservative country in respect um. You know, it's that if you want to have a look at America, America is still a little bit more liberal than Malaysia. Right would you do in something in general, not particularly about LGBTQ. Do you see like couples holding hands in the street. Yeah, okay, so they're not
like completely not allowed to show any exactly its affections. There are people holding hands and stuff and walking around. Um, but there's no there's no snugging on the street, no motor boating, no boating, no quick hand job. Oh god, I'm a lifetime for you. I was very heavy in the pants area, very heavy. Nice. Yeah, it's problems. It looks like a very lovely place to visit, but I feel that it would be quite repressive to actually be a citizen of that place. Wow, that's
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