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013: Gage Mitchell of AIGA Seattle and more

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In this episode of Cheers & Tiers, we engage with Gage Mitchell, a design leader and advocate for sustainable practices. Gage shares his journey through various AIGA chapters, emphasizing the importance of community building and leadership in design. This conversation explores the leadership journey of a prominent figure in AIGA, focusing on their experiences with organizing events, the value of leadership retreats, and the importance of building connections within the design community. Gage shares insights on leading retreats, fostering community impact, and the collaborative efforts of the Design for Good Task Force. They discuss the importance of harnessing the power of design to create meaningful experiences and the role of leadership in fostering creativity. The conversation also touches on practical advice for restarting AIGA Seattle, emphasizing the need to start small and empower others.


Key Takeaways

  • Joining AIGA was a pivotal moment in Gage's career.
  • He started a student group to engage with AIGA early on.
  • Community building opened doors for Gage before graduation.
  • Gage's journey includes multiple AIGA chapters across the U.S.
  • Networking creates a powerful national community for designers.
  • Unexpected connections often lead to the most meaningful relationships.
  • Leadership retreats provide opportunities for learning and sharing knowledge.
  • The integration of design, sustainability, and inclusion is crucial for impactful solutions.
  • Creating frameworks for design can help facilitate better community solutions.
  • Design for good emphasizes community engagement in the creative process.
  • Starting small can lead to greater community involvement.
  • Empowering others prevents burnout in leadership roles.
  • Design leadership involves planting seeds for growth.
  • Memorable experiences strengthen bonds within the design community.


Episode Chapters

05:51 Building Community Through AIGA

09:03 Transitioning to New Cities and AIGA Chapters

11:59 Leadership Retreat Experiences

14:51 Reflections on Community Building and Leadership

19:12 The Value of Leadership Retreats

21:03 Memorable Moments Beyond Programming

23:40 FOMO and Connection Building

25:14 Impact of Connections on Career

26:42 Design for Good Task Force and Collaboration

29:06 Integrating Design, Sustainability, and Inclusion

33:37 Leading Leadership Retreats

36:45 Community Impact through Leadership

39:21 Design for Good: Engaging Communities

40:44 Harnessing the Power of Design

41:38 Creating Space for Creativity

43:02 Restarting AIGA Seattle: Advice for New Leaders

45:30 Building Community: Start Small and Grow

46:50 Pyramid Memories: Fun and Connection

49:04 In-Person Connections: The Future of AIGA Seattle

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Transcript

Intro / Opening

Rachel

Chapter two.

Erik

I'm Erik Cargill.

Rachel

And I'm Rachel Elnar. And this is Cheers and Tears.

Erik

Design Leadership Tales Retold.

Rachel

Can you talk a little bit about where we are before we get into it?

Erik

Yeah. So, we are in historic Pike Place Market Seattle. We are at the Can Can. And if if any of you if any of you listeners ever make it into Seattle or the the market, please come to the Can Can. They have great shows, fantastic food, and plenty of liquor behind the bar. So, thank you to the folks at the Can Can for letting us invade their space

Gage

for a day.

Erik

For our for our podcast.

Gage

For saying we can can come here.

Erik

We can can come here.

Rachel

So Eric, our guest, he sees the world as a design challenge. One where creativity, strategy, and purpose collide to build a better future. As the founder of Modern Species and host of the brands for a better world podcast, he's on a mission to shape a more just healthy and regenerative world through sustainable design and compelling storytelling. He also leads creative strategy at Kindship Group, co chairs the Washington B Corp Collective and is helping revive AIGA Seattle. A designer, entrepreneur, and impact advocate, he is always pushing the boundaries of what design can do for business, sustainability, and social good.

Let's welcome Gage Mitchell.

Erik

Gage Mitchell.

Gage

Hey. Oh, I thought it was good. Hey. Thanks for having me.

Erik

I don't know where the clab

Gage

track is. We forgot the clab track. We made our own clab track. We'll put

Erik

it in post.

Gage

You go. Put it in post. Who needs clab track when you got two of these things?

Rachel

Exactly.

Gage

Oh, Gage. Welcome. Thank you. Thanks for having me. And at this beautiful space at the Can Can. Of course. Of course. Alright. Hopefully, you got some good b roll so you can show the world where we're sitting because it's a beautiful space, very eclectic, very well decorated, a good ambiance for recording a podcast.

Rachel

It is.

Erik

I think so.

Rachel

It is.

Erik

I think so. Beautiful. It perfect.

Rachel

And we have our disco ball spinning up here. It's so nice. Yeah. Yeah.

Gage

Lights, chandeliers, everything.

Rachel

Exactly.

Gage

Bow of feathers.

Rachel

Bow of feathers. Yeah. Yeah.

Erik

I mean, you can get up there and sing if you want later.

Gage

I think that's later. I was actually trying to figure out where we would do a pyramid in here.

Erik

The pyramid and, you know, they have absinthe. Gage, I've known you for a long time.

Gage

I've known you for a long time too. That's a coincidence. Some

Erik

of the people listening may have known you for a long time. May may Possibly. Possibly. But, know, just as a review for people, you know, how'd you get your start in AIGA? Yes. How how long were you involved? Obviously, you're still involved. But how many leadership retreats did you go to? And which one was your first?

Gage

Lots of questions there. I'm trying to remember the order. I will yeah. I got I'll go from the beginning.

Rachel

AIGA. Yeah.

Gage

We'll start with

Erik

AIGA. Yeah.

Gage

I'll go from the beginning. But I got found my way into AIGA from a recommendation from my sister's friend. At the time, was finishing up or not quite finishing up in my third year of college, and I was getting ready to think about what do I do after I get done with school? I can't just graduate and then hope I find a job or something like that. So my sister, I was working at Cole Haan in New York at the time, and I knew she was sitting next to some designers.

And I said so I said, can you ask those designers what advice they have for me when I graduate here in a year? And they said two things. Show your portfolio to as many people as possible so you get comfortable talking about your work and join AIGA.

Erik

And I

Gage

said, well, what's AIGA? I had no idea what that was. Nobody told me about it before yet. So I asked my teachers, I did some research, I found out there were such things as AIGA student groups. So I just started talking to some other students, convinced one of my professors to be our faculty advisor, and we started a student group so we could kind of figure out what this AIGA thing was.

So we started organizing events like portfolio shows, we did studio tours, we had screen printing events, we had lectures, we did poster show, we did all sorts of fun stuff as a group. And then that got me into the kinda connected into the AIGA Colorado scene where I was something of a student adviser or connection to the chapter up in Fort Collins, Colorado. And we would bring, like, groups of students down to the big AIGA Colorado events, things like that. So I just found out about it, got kind of got hooked on the community building side of it and got to meet so many people. It just started opening up doors right away before I'd even graduated school.

All of a sudden, I had all these, you know, very well connected people in the Colorado design scene who knew me and were happy to help me figure out what my next steps were. And before I even graduated college, I had a job, just through those connections. So I think I got found my way in through that and got hooked and just kept going from there.

Erik

When you graduated, like, which chapter were you a part of and, you know, sort of that evolution. We'll start there and then we'll we'll get to the next question.

Building Community Through AIGA

Gage

Cool. Yeah. So I went to school in Colorado. So I was at Colorado State where I started the student group. So I was involved with the AIGA Colorado chapter at that I would attend those events and then organize our events and invite some AIGA, Colorado people to speak at our events.

We were in Fort Collins, had the vice president of the chapter at the time, Don Putney, up in the area. So I could lean on her to host us for some events or have her come speak at, at some of our events as well. Then she connected us to some other folks too.

Rachel

So you got an you guys start in leadership right away. Starting the the chapter pretty much like not even just joining and attending events. You just said, what the heck, I'm just gonna start the chapter. Exactly. Jump right into leadership.

Gage

Before I ever even went to a single AIG event or really even knew what it was, I just started the chapter and became president by default just because the students said, well, this was your idea. Why don't you be president? I'm like, okay, I guess so. But just dove in from a community organizing standpoint with the thinking that this seems like it'd be a good idea for my career.

Rachel

What guided you in terms of making some decisions on what the events would be? Were you sourcing the other students, what they were interested in? Did you look to other student chapters? Did you look at the AIJ Colorado chapter?

Gage

Yeah, I don't think I looked at other student chapters, to be honest. I think we just got a bunch of people around the room who wanted to be involved in this group somehow. I immediately just formed a board of collaborators and said, what do we all want? I think we all just threw a bunch of ideas out there of things that we thought would be educational, inspirational, fun, or good for our career. And we just delegated stuff and started doing it. It's pretty organic, actually.

Erik

After Colorado, you moved? Yes. Correct?

Rachel

Yes. Well, it's here.

Gage

At least once.

Erik

At least once. Where did you move to and what was your progression into getting into AIGA in that location?

Gage

Yeah. So I was in Colorado, but when I graduated, I knew I wanted to go try living somewhere else. Like, Colorado is great, but I'm a pale redhead who burns easily. So I knew I wanted to eventually make it to the Northwest. But at the time, I was like, well, let's go see other places in the country.

So my girlfriend at the time and I, we just I think it was called findyourspot.com. There's a website where you could just put in your interests and it would tell you which cities you might be interested in. Oh, wow.

Rachel

No way.

Gage

Does that still exist? It may or may not, but it it pulled up, like, I don't know, five or 10 cities that seemed to meet our criteria anyway, so we just, like, decided a road trip. We just put everything we could into two cars. We got some walkie talkies so we could talk along the way. And we made a road trip, visited a friend in Louisiana and just starting to kinda making our way out to the Southeast where we kinda toured some places in Florida and South Carolina and North Carolina.

We were going to keep going up to like, you know, Baltimore and DC and other places. But once we hit North Charlotte, North Carolina, we got there and it just had a good vibe. It felt like it's a place where we could settle. It was fairly low cost of living at the time. It had a kind of booming new city and interesting culinary scene.

Transitioning to New Cities and AIGA Chapters

And I don't know. I just checked some boxes. So we just decided, well, let's stop let's stop driving and find an apartment and go get some jobs. And that's how I got involved with the AIGA Charlotte cruise. When I landed there, I was trying to get plugged in and find my people.

And they had a board that was kind of burning out at the time. Okay. So they were kind of I think it had fizzled down to, like, two board members that were left or something and they were struggling to get things going. So myself and a handful of other people that were new to the city because there was just tons of people pouring into Charlotte. Was there were lots of lots of jobs and it was the headquarters of a few banks so there's lots of money being poured in.

A lots of new designers as well. So I think we ended up like having 10 new board member like it was fizzling. They couldn't sustain the chapter. They were thinking about maybe even closing it. And then all of a sudden a board of like 10 new leaders like we'll take over.

So I just connected with the president and the events director at the time and asked if I could get involved and I started organizing some, social events. I think I called them morning buzz. Kind of borrowed that idea from AIGA Colorado. They had a coffee event there where you just get together and talk to people who showed up about a different topic. So I started organizing that, then joined the board, then ended up kind of on the executive leadership team after a few years.

Erik

And then after that, Seattle.

Gage

No, there was another stop on between. So living in Charlotte, I started getting this feeling like I was just designing pretty trash. I liked my job. I liked the people I worked with. We got to do really cool stuff and had good budgets, but we were doing branding and print design mostly for big residential communities.

Again, all these people are moving there and you can buy a mansion for what a one bedroom studio apartment costs in New York. Right. So there are like these big house communities that were being built and that was just connection my boss had at the time. So we're doing these really cool brand projects with beautiful print pieces and that side of it was fun. But we were selling things that I just didn't feel like needed to exist.

Like how how many people really need a 5,000 square foot house with, you know, 10 bedrooms empty because they don't use them for anything in a community that used to be a farm, which we could have actually used. Right. It turned into like a a mansion factory. I like doing the nonprofit work, but I just didn't love doing that stuff that just felt like it was making rich people richer. So I got a little, disillusioned and my partner at the time got disillusioned in her job.

She was working too much and didn't love her bosses. So at some point we just said, let's quit everything and and go travel. So we sold our condo, we quit our jobs and we just left the country not knowing when we'd come back. Did that for a little while. When we did come back, it was the bottom of the 02/2009, '2 thousand and '8 kind of recession.

Leadership Retreat Experiences

So we knew when we came back, we needed to move somewhere with low cost of living and that had some potential opportunities to grow. So we ended up in Wisconsin, in Madison, Wisconsin. And of course, me being me, I'm like, why I need to get involved with the AIG community to meet some people here. They didn't have any action in Madison. The chapter was in Milwaukee.

So I just joined up and I volunteered to be the Madison Representative to organize that community and started collaborating with the other design groups that were in town.

Erik

Wow.

Gage

So that was the next stop.

Erik

That was the next stop. Okay.

Rachel

So I love that he's not, like, looking for community. He's building

Erik

He's building it.

Rachel

Building communities.

Erik

I know. I know. This is I mean, these these are all things I didn't I mean Uh-huh. I've known you for a long time, but I

Rachel

I He's He's been hiding it.

Erik

Shame on me for not thinking to ask.

Gage

You know? Well, who would think to ask that?

Erik

Right. That's the

Rachel

whole reason for this podcast.

Gage

Well, here you are. You finally asked. Yeah. Exactly.

Rachel

Here we go.

Erik

Now I know. Now it's now it's on record.

Gage

Right.

Erik

Yeah. And so you were in Madison for how long?

Gage

I think it was about two years, two and a half years, something like that. Just got started getting a little too cold and a little too small, to be honest. Okay. So like after two years, we kind of knew everybody in town already, knew the creatives, the potential clients. That's where I ended up starting my agency.

Okay. And it was just kind of a small community that we could have stayed in if we wanted. But as I started digging deeper into the niche of sustainable food, I realized we probably need to be going to big trade shows, be in a bigger city, more opportunity, maybe even for more access to potential employees, things like that. So we, again, I think we did pull up the findyourspot.com again. And it was still existed then, but it was maybe getting a little dated and, pulled up a list and it was like Austin, San Francisco, Seattle, like these kind of cities just started popping up.

San Francisco is too expensive. I didn't feel like living in the heat of Texas. So Seattle sounded like the place to go and, you know, we'd always wanted to move to the Northwest anyway. So this was our our shot. So we just decided to pick up and move over to Seattle and landed in downtown and trying to figure out our way from there. And of course, you know, keeping the theme, I immediately went to an AIGA event. And I was on the board within, you know, probably a few weeks of arriving.

Rachel

But you didn't start the chapter.

Gage

No. I did. Okay. This this chapter has been around for twenty something years before I got here. Okay. And that was what year? I think it was 2012. '20 '12. Let's talk leadership retreats. Oh my God. When was your first one? San Francisco. I can't remember the year. I want to say 02/2006. '7.

Reflections on Community Building and Leadership

Something like that. It was a good one. I just remember walking into I had no idea what to expect because it was my first leadership retreat. And I actually think nobody that went with us had ever been to one before. So we were all just like because remember the chapter restarted basically.

So it was all a bunch of new people to AIGA leadership. So not knowing what to expect and we get there and I remember Carolyn Kelowna, think she was at this one with me, I'm pretty sure. But I remember like we'd not know what we were doing and we'd go up to like a national board member and be like, Hey, is this your first retreat? But do you know Caroline and in This was when I was in Charlotte was the first retreat that I went to. But the experience for me that was weird was walking into this room.

You don't know anybody. You don't know what to expect. You're at the big national retreat. Is it going to be high pressure? Are there going to be clicks?

Is it going to be like you're to embarrass yourself saying the wrong thing or get on stage and say something stupid or whatever? But you basically walk into the room and all of a sudden you're surrounded by 300 of your best friends that you've never met before. And I think it's because a, we're all creatives. So we've got that baseline in common. B, we're all community builders because we jumped in to help build community rather than hoping someone else will build it for us.

And then C, I can't remember if I started A, C or one, two, three. We'll just say C or three, whichever one that was.

Erik

Perfect.

Gage

We're also the type of person who said we'd do stuff and we got it done and were chosen for executive leadership or to be sent to a leadership retreat, right? So you walk in this room, you're filled surrounded by a bunch of creative, you know, community building doers who just make shit happen, make magic happen. They think of something, just go and do it. It was an amazing experience and I got hooked at that time, which is why I'm pretty sure I've been to 10 now. Although I was trying to figure out the list.

I got to nine, so I know there's one missing. Because I remember when I left my the last retreat, I'm pretty sure on stage I was saying that it was it was my tenth retreat. So there must be one I'm missing in there somewhere.

Rachel

What was your last retreat?

Gage

Oh, I'm terrible with dates. Would it have been

Rachel

Well, city?

Gage

That's what I'm trying to remember. Would it have been like Baltimore, Atlanta or Dallas? Don't know which was president's council chair and I did three retreats I think as president's council chair because I came in at a awkward time and just coincidentally got to do three but I can't remember which one was the most recent but maybe me you might be right. Atlanta might be the last one.

Rachel

Mhmm. Wow. You've done it all. Yeah. You've started them, you've joined them, have you only been presidents or have you

Gage

held all I think I've done almost all the positions at this I mean, at least temporarily. I didn't necessarily do a full term of like membership, but I've done tons of events. I've organized hundreds of events in my career at this point. I've from tiny little one off events to conferences conferences, retreats, things like that. So definitely done the event side.

I was executive sustainability director in Seattle before I became president. I was operations director in Charlotte and was next in line to be president, but I moved. So I didn't take that role. In Wisconsin, I was programming director because I was building out the Madison area. And then I've also done some national task force leadership roles of living principles, which is the sustainable design kind of framework or the start of it.

The Value of Leadership Retreats

And then the design for good task force and the all of a sudden I'm spacing on the third one is emerge. Does that sound right? It's the bridging the kind of the student experience to the professional experience group. But that was more led by Jenny Price and some others. But I participated in a couple different sessions where they brought a bunch of AIGA leaders together into one place and we brainstormed what it could be and built out the program.

I don't know if there is an active task force right now, but I still kind of help chapters with past impact related programming. And then as mentioned earlier, trying to work with a working with a small group of people to try to get AIGA Seattle back up and running because the pandemic kind of squashed the chapter.

Rachel

What did you find valuable about your leadership retreat experience?

Gage

Well, the people you connect with, of course, because I think on a local level, you build these amazing lifelong relationships, friends that you keep in contact no matter where you live in the world or what you're up to. And the national retreats, the leadership retreats were the same kind of thing, but now all of sudden you have connections in every major city across the state. So you kind of build this network of people that anywhere you travel to, you can just hit someone up and be like, Hey, I'm going be in town. Want to grab dinner? Or, you know, Can you show me your studio?

Or whatever else it is? So you build this national network, which is really powerful. And then I think just learning from others, like you go to these retreats of course to learn or teach others. And I think in both cases you learn, right? If you're teaching others, you learn more about what you have to teach and you learn, you know, what people are getting or not getting about it.

Or if you're in their session and learning from them, you get to learn something that maybe you'd never otherwise get to experience because in your job or in your role, or whether it's in the chapter or your professional job, you may never get to touch that kind of work that they get to do because they're in a different space of design or a different level of design or something like that. Getting to hear how other people practice the profession and learn some of their tools and frameworks and methodologies was always super inspirational for me. So I guess those are the two main things that I loved. And then just as a city and culture person, loved the retreat always rotating. I got to experience cities and local cultures that I wouldn't have otherwise gotten to experience.

Memorable Moments Beyond Programming

Rachel

Same.

Erik

Love that. Same. There there are a lot of takeaways from a from leadership retreats, but it seems like a lot of the things that people talk about most outside of the programming. Right. What are some moments that stick out to you outside of the programming of the of leadership retreats?

Gage

You know, there's three different levels. There's before the retreat, during the retreat, and after the retreat. Right? So That was a good point. Before the retreat, sometimes you would show up in a town a little early because you knew some other people were coming, and you'd get to go to see a museum or go do something kind of fun with a small group of people before the chaos starts and just reconnect with some of your longtime friends.

Like, that's always fun. Just check out the city a little bit before all the, work starts. And then during the retreat, you know, there's little moments where there's a break in programming or a lunch where you don't have something to do and you just casually form a group of people that you happen to bump into at a session or as you're walking down the street heading somewhere and you just make new connections and have some fun conversations totally unprompted, unscripted, just connecting with other great people that happen to be there. And then, after the retreat, one of my favorite things was, like, the 5AM club. It was not official part of the programming, but part of the culture.

Or maybe it was 6AM club. But, the way I understood it started is because former executive director Rick Gruffey would always, have a flight the next morning. Like, the retreat would end, like, let's say, Saturday night. He would fly out Sunday morning at, like, 5AM or or leave to the airport at that time. So there would always be a group of people Saturday night that instead of going to bed after the after party, they would just hang out, go grab breakfast, and then come and hang out in the lobby so we could say goodbye to Rick.

Really? And try to scare him a little bit, you know, like, really? Yeah. So it eventually became more and more organized. People knew about it, and there would even be, like, Francis Yolanda kinda designed some shirts for for the club and stuff.

So it became this, like, known thing that if you knew about it, you were probably gonna participate in it. But and then for those who maybe didn't know about that, there was sometimes kind of an organic brunch that would get assembled that next day too, which was always kind of a nice nice way to, like, shake off the hangover or something like that from all the parties and just go, I guess, say goodbye in a little bit more peaceful environment, calm everybody's just kinda re trying to rejuvenate and hang out for a little bit before you head to the airport.

FOMO and Connection Building

Erik

I remember doing that with you in in Grand Rapids because I, you know, yeah. Normally, I fly right out, but that that time I stuck around a little bit longer. Yeah. And we, you know, got a group together and went to and was even making connections

Gage

right at that breakfast. That's awesome.

Erik

On the very last day. There's no programming. There's no after parties. No, you know, that's it. That's that's the last thing and still making connections and Yeah,

Gage

Yeah. I definitely have a little sense of FOMO. Like, it's hard for me to not do all the things. So I ended up stretching myself too thin during a lot of these. Like, instead of being responsible and saying, no, I'm not gonna go to that after party tonight.

I've gotta speak at seven in the morning. I would still do the party till two or three in the morning and then speak at seven in the morning and then just be exhausted that whole day and kinda keep the loop going. As I'm getting older, that's harder to do. But when I was in my twenties, it was easier to keep rolling off the momentum. But part of the reason I do that is because those unexpected connections Right.

Sometimes are the best connections. Like, you could try to have a great conversation with someone in the middle of an education session or something, but it's the time afterwards where you get to connect as humans where you really kind of build that bond and make lifelong friends. So I think that's part of my FOMO is that I don't want to miss those opportunities to create connections, and then I wear myself out. So like after leadership retreats or big trade shows or something like that, I'm I just always feel so drained for a few days afterwards because I just leave it all, like on the table, to speak. I just burn all the energy to try to do as much as I can and connect with as many people as I can.

Impact of Connections on Career

A lot of them I might not get to see again for a year or two years or something like that.

Rachel

Have any of those connections contributed to your career or to your business? Did anything spark from those after party connections?

Gage

I feel like a lot of the work I do is informed from a lot of the people I collaborated with in AIGA throughout my years. Like I said, if if you only do your job, you only have so many experiences. But by doing projects together with other people or learning how someone else does something or maybe collaborating on a workshop at a retreat or whatever it is, you get to learn how they do things. And then that helps me learn different ways of how I could be doing my own job and maybe even gives me the confidence to take on services that I have no right

Erik

to be taking on other than

Gage

a little bit of a can can do attitude. Right. You kind of say, you know what? I know somebody who knows something about that. I'll take this job and I'll just call them and get some advice and bring them in or something.

So I'd say a lot of the work I do has been influenced by all the people I've connected with and relationships I've made and things I've learned. As far as connections that led to a specific paid gig from someone, I'd say probably fewer on that because I've been self employed for most of my career. And my clients usually aren't designers. They're usually marketing directors or CEOs or founders, sustainability directors, etcetera. So

Design for Good Task Force and Collaboration

Erik

I

Gage

haven't had that many new biz relationships come through that, but collaborators, freelancers, you know, teachers, mentors, like all of that for sure. Like I've just built such an amazing community and learned so much through all the people.

Rachel

Any specifics?

Gage

Like specific people?

Rachel

Uh-huh.

Gage

Well, guess one good case study to talk about that was very impactful in my career is the Design for Good task force that I kind of merged. Basically, I was on the living principles side and with Phil Hamlet and some others. And that group and Rachel Martin and that group was kind of fizzling down. I think she was the last director of the group. But the the money that we got from I wanna say it was was it IBM or someone that that funded the initial stages of it.

Don't quote me on that because I can't remember who it was. But I came in as it was fizzling. There was no more money, and we were trying to figure out how to kinda make this stick around and continue it. So that was kind of my job is to go to retreats or other things and teach this and and keep it going. But what I found is every time I did that, started with not having a clue of what this is, and they would kind of approach the framework, and their eyes would gloss over and they're like, well, how do I do this?

Where do I start? So it was a very academic approach. It was like, read read these 500 articles and look at this framework and then figure it out for yourself. It was very theoretical, not very practical. So when I taught it at leadership retreats or other events, I would always make it practical.

I'd pull out a physical example and I'd have a dialogue around that product. And I would say, you know, talk about this paper. What could we be asking? What questions could we be asking about this paper to make it more sustainable? And it would just make it more tangible for people.

So one thing I learned there was we need to make this easier for people interact with, less theoretical, more practical, something more familiar to them. And then the Design for Good group, I know one of their struggles, I wasn't on the team at the time, but I would observe this through leadership retreats or presidents calls or something. A lot of the events were programmed around what I would describe as designers doing good, aka we would host an event and ask people to bring canned food that we would donate. We didn't use the power of design to do that. We just used the power of being good people and we happen to be hosting an event.

Integrating Design, Sustainability, and Inclusion

Mhmm. So let's do something good around it. Whereas there were some good examples where people were using design and an inclusive process to, like, bring the community together and design solutions for their problems in the community. Was like, that seems more designed for good. Yet often they forget the sustainability side of things.

They do good work for good causes, but it's unsustainable solutions. Whereas maybe sustainability people might be doing sustainable things for companies that aren't doing great for the things for the world. So myself and some others just started asking questions of why are these two things separate? Why don't we pull them together? And you know what?

While we're at it, why is this diversity inclusion separate from this too? We need everyone at the table if we're gonna design holistic solutions that are better for everybody. So I think it was before one of the retreats. To remember which one, maybe New York or oh, that's probably the other one. No, wait, not New York.

Anyway, one of the I'm I'm remembering a retreat planning session in New York, but maybe it was Baltimore or something, but we had we organized a a summit before the retreat with those groups, the Design for Good team, the Diversity and Inclusion team, the Living Principles team, and just some other movers and shakers we thought would add 2¢ into this. And we did a whole facilitated session on how do we merge these things, what's missing, how do we make them better, how do we make them work together. And ultimately what came out of that is we realized that we could weave them all together and maybe create something like a process or a workbook or something like that that would kind of help people do all of them at at the same time, but in a clear process that felt familiar to most designers. And that eventually evolved into what we now call the path to impact, which we created, turned into a workbook that includes inclusive, strategies and methodologies for designing sustainable measurable impact. So it weaves all the prompts and kind of process suggestions and design thinking frameworks, etcetera, into one workbook that we then went and got some grant money from SAPI.

We applied to the SAPI Ideas That Matter grant, Applied for that grant, won a grant to produce all the books and distribute them to whichever chapter signed up. I think we got 30 chapters to sign up to take on the books and organize workshops. Then the pandemic hit And people weren't organizing workshops, and a lot of the people who we shipped the books to rolled off the board, and then the board lost the books, it kind of slowed up. So we were like right in the process of taking off with that process. I wanna say we probably did like fifteen, twenty events or something like that, and then we were got stalled.

So I've done a few since then, and I still do some virtually. Last one I did was out in the Dallas Fort Worth chapter in person. So lost a little momentum in there, but the team that I was working on that with with Laurel, Justin, Leticia, and Lenny, we all just kind of mushed all of our brains together, you know, along with the other people that were in the group like Antonette, Carol, and and, Tim and stuff that we kind of pulled all of our brains together and just figured out, like, what what would a framework look like and how do we make this easy and familiar? So we designed it in into a familiar process, like a design process of starting from here. Brought some books just in case we needed to.

We started with the kind of envisioning, then planning, then implementing, then measuring, and then storytelling. So depending on which phase of the process you're in, can just start there or you can go through the whole process and it's got a series of prompts and stuff. This was like starting point A. We envisioned lots of different tools and frameworks and videos. We created a handful of workshops and we handed those off to the chapters to just kind of create your own workshops, with the books.

Like, that's a very tangible example of without this group of people and without those circumstances and knowing all these people and knowing kind of problems we all kind of saw in the industry, this thing wouldn't exist and we wouldn't have all done this work together. And I use this thinking or pieces of this process or whatever in a lot of my work still today. And I still kind of bring these books out to b corp events or whatever else I'm doing and just try to promote the methodology. So I could probably come up with a bunch of examples like that, but that's one tangible way that connections and people have kind of changed the trajectory of my career, I guess.

Leading Leadership Retreats

Rachel

Your career within AIGA, your leadership career has been so rich. We have some questions. Uh-oh. Hot seat. Questions that came through the hotline hotline that are

Gage

for I was curious what would happen there.

Erik

So I have a couple questions. Let's let's go ahead and try question number one.

Bernardo

Hey, Gage. This is Bernardo, former AIJ Philly Borde. We all love our retreat experience as attendees, but you got to lead a couple of retreats as president Kental chair. How was that experience, and do you have any interesting stories from behind the scenes?

Gage

The opportunity to lead the leadership retreats was just really exciting because I loved those retreats so much. So the opportunity to kind of try to guide the experience for other people was fun. And of course, we tried to do it as inclusive as possible. Typically, you include the chapter who's hosting, But we'd get together and we'd all think about, poll surveys from previous retreats and look at what people liked and didn't like. We'd share our own personal experiences of what we liked and didn't like, and we'd maybe come up with ideas of what we feel like could enhance this retreat experience or really tie into the chapter or the community there.

And just being in that collaborative space with all those awesome leaders and getting to think about how to bring a city to life and an experience to life was a lot of fun and rewarding, of course. One experience with the Baltimore team is we came up with a whole leadership framework specifically around the leadership retreat of things that we felt like a good design leader needs to know. And we tried to create a whole structure and framework and tracks based on that leadership framework so we can make sure we're checking all the boxes of different skills that you, might need to be a good design leader so people could level up from just being a designer to a design leader, design manager to whatever, wherever they wanted to go in their career. Created a whole playbook around that. So that that was like a fun side project of the leadership retreat, you know?

And then so that's fun, just planning the retreat and then going to the city and trying to figure out how you're gonna kinda organize this, see the space, try to figure out what rooms you could use for different things or what restaurants you might tell people to go to for lunch sessions or what venues to use for after parties or different things like that. So that experience of learning the city a little bit more was really fun. Like Baltimore in particular, I ended up going to Baltimore like so many times, not just for AIGA, but I had other things that happened to be in the city at the time. So I just got to learn Baltimore more than I ever would have otherwise. And then it's fun for me to get up on stage and just goof around with my friends too to some degree.

Community Impact through Leadership

Like, for example, like Dallas getting to get up on stage with Jenny Price for their little hobby horses and we bought some cowboy hats and hobby horses and we'd like make a whole skid out of it like bouncing around on the stage like we're riding our horses. So it's just a fun experience to just get up there and celebrate community and leadership and try to create something that will be of value to other attendees. So I would recommend it five out of five stars. If you get a chance to be president's council chair and organize some retreats, definitely do it. A lot of work, but a lot of fun.

Rachel

Thank you, Bernardo, for asking.

Gage

Thanks, Bernardo.

Stacey

Yeah. Next question. This is Stacey from AIGA New York. My question would be, what impact have you seen leadership within your boards? For example, seeing what your community needs and what the what the resources and access your your constituents would need. How has that impacted internally as a board, and how do you create those experiences externally?

Gage

Impact on the communities. I think the board working with communities to identify opportunities to improve them. Think a great example of that would be here in Seattle. One of the things our chapter became known for was the, Design for Good program called Changemakers. And that program every year picked a different topic like homelessness or something like that.

And we would focus a series of events around that topic where we would, find nonprofits or organizations focused on that problem. And then we would put up a call for creatives to participate in the project. And we would get, I think, hundreds of applications of creatives who wanted to participate in these, projects. And then we would do some match match matchmaking to, build team creative teams for each of the nonprofits based on the problem they're trying to solve. And then run them through kind of a program and helping them learn how to work together.

And then they would set some scopes and do some work. And then there would be check ins and share outs at the end, like a whole showcase. And that whole program was designed around community needs to Stacy's point. We we just picked the problem. We didn't even define the problem.

We let the nonprofits define the problem for the creative teams. Right? So it was more of a way to facilitate the connection between creatives and nonprofit problem solvers to come together and find creative solutions to their problems. Lots of different teams doing lots of great work for the community. And in fact, I would bump into people who I didn't know.

Design for Good: Engaging Communities

They didn't even know I was involved in AIG, and they'd mention, Oh, yeah. We're part of this changemaker program. I'd be like, Really? That's amazing. That's cool. They're like, Wait. You're the president? That's so cool. I didn't even know you were involved in that. We got so much out of this program.

You know, there would be conversations like that that would bubble up from the community, right? So I think that was a powerful program that we were getting ready to, I think, scale and package up and make available to other chapters. I think we'd started spreading it maybe another chapter or two, started taking some of those things on. But that whole thing started kind of from the seed of an event where my, kind of sustainable design task force just decided to host workshops.

Erik

That was huge. Yeah. It was it was a lot of what what we were doing. Yeah. I I remember that. It was it was very profound. And, even to this day, some of the branding exercises that came out of that, I still see out in the wild.

Gage

I think a powerful example, I know there's lots of other chapters who've done really cool projects like that, by just engaging with the community in the creative process. And again, that's more of what I mean by design for good versus designing for good. In fact, I think we might have put a definition in this workbook here somewhere around oh, yeah. We what is design for good? And we have design for good demonstrates the power of design and strategy and execution to make a positive impact in the world.

Harnessing the Power of Design

Whereas design philanthropy or designers doing good was donating time, attention, skills or money to a cause. So there is a mix of both of those obviously happening with change makers. When you don't just donate 10% of the ticket sales to this company, but you literally design the whole program and experience of whatever you're offering to make an impact, that's the true power of design with a capital d, I think, at that point. So I think there's lots of power and potential in the AIGA community. Like, the community is just so full of passionate, super intelligent, creative, people who wanna make a difference.

Creating Space for Creativity

And I think these are examples of the types of programs that come out of these communities when you just let designers do what they want to do.

Rachel

You know, what I've noticed in some of the stories that you've been telling us has been that you've been really great with creating those guardrails. Those bowling bumpers let's say right? You know there is a lot of power, lot of talent in the design community. You're good at helping create intentionality and directing that power in one way so there is more impact. Yeah, an amazing trend that I'm seeing through all the things that you're seeing.

Gage

I think I bring my own bias of wanting to make a positive impact for sure. But I think to your point, what I often do is I just ask the right questions, I guess. Get a group of people together and I ask them what they want to do, what lights them up, what problems they see in the world or where their passion areas are, what kind of skills they want to learn. And I think then the kind of work builds itself from there. Because when you just let people do the things that they can't do in their normal life and now they get to do it together with a group of awesome people, magic happens.

So I don't feel like I had to create super hard guardrails most of the time. I would just maybe plant some seeds and then the group would water them or or they'd bring their own plants or they'd decide let's build the garden over here instead. So I think it was just creating space for these things to happen. I think maybe it's my skill set, just bringing people together and inviting them to do what they're called to do.

Restarting AIGA Seattle: Advice for New Leaders

Rachel

And it's a very unique style of leadership. So, yes, I would agree with you. You're creating space. You are planting seeds as all leaders do. But the way you help direct their energy, the way you frame what the purpose is

Erik

Mhmm.

Rachel

Gives them renewed energy that I've not seen before.

Gage

Oh, okay. Mhmm.

Erik

Nice. Yeah. Yeah. It is it's like this yes and attitude. It's it's just like, oh, yeah. It's really fantastic.

Rachel

Yeah. I understand you are starting to restart AIJ Seattle. You're trying to. You obviously have done this many times before, jumped in and created a new chapter. What advice would you give to somebody who would love to restart their chapter, who would like to start a student chapter at their college?

Gage

Yeah. I always feel like it's best to just start small, by which I mean, if the bigger goal you set, the more you're intimidated you're gonna be intimidated, the more resources you need, the more people you need, the more, like, organizing you need, the more funding you need, etcetera. But if you just get something started, it makes it easier. And then you accumulate more people and they wanna get involved and they wanna help. So most of the things I've started, I just start with like the smallest, simplest prototype I possibly can.

Even if it's just, let's gather 10 people at a coffee shop or at a bar for a social or something like that, and then build from there. So we've even before the chapter's reestablished, we've just been having little social gatherings to remind people that there is a design community here. We just don't have a current label or a website that's working. And then once you start there, you just start inviting people in and tapping into their energy and excitement, giving them something to do. Then you start getting to the point where you can set a bigger ambitious goal and start doing more.

Building Community: Start Small and Grow

And then you need to start delegating and creating more structure because you're going to need more team and more process and more everything like that. And then, you know, create leadership positions amongst the people on there so that you're not bottlenecking anything. That's one of the challenges I see a lot of community builders or designers. What happens to a lot of the newer leaders is they don't feel comfortable delegating and then they try to do everything themselves and then they burn out their committees because there's nothing meaningful for the committee members to do and then they end up burning out because they're doing all the work and like carrying the committee. So like bring people on, empower them, let them do the stuff they came on to do and then eventually you need to take a step back like Eric was saying like let them do it, let them own it because if they own it, if they love it, if it's their baby, they'll keep doing it.

But then encourage them to do the same. Don't bottleneck yourself. Don't hold leadership power over our positions when you could open that up and let someone else take a leadership role. So I think it's just about, you know, start small and let it grow from there without forcing it into anything and then just see where the community grows itself from there to some degree.

Pyramid Memories: Fun and Connection

Rachel

Great. Very organic.

Erik

Yeah. So, Gage, how many pyramids have you been a part of?

Gage

How many or how tall?

Erik

Whichever one you want to answer first.

Gage

I want to say we got to like five five levels at some point. Remember we were touching the ceiling in one of those.

Erik

Wow. Was Rachel on the top of

Gage

that one? Possibly. No. There's been so many pyramids. I can't remember who was all on any of them. So we have to, like, go back and look at the photo evidence. But, I mean, I've done pyramids inside of elevators. We've done pyramids in restaurants. Oh, man. One of them.

Pretty sure we even had, like, the guy that worked at the hot dog stand in Chicago. I don't know. Something like that. Take take a photo of us doing pyramids. We were doing them in, the ping pong bar in Colorado and got kicked out of the bar because we were being too dangerous.

They were in hotel lobbies, in parks, you know, in the streets, hotel rooms, in hallways, anywhere you can squeeze in a pyramid. Even when we walked into this room, was looking around like, Is there space for a pyramid? But it's a dangerous activity. You know, make sure you've got your health insurance and everybody's prepared. You've got like a Brendan Shanley there who will direct everybody and make sure everyone knows their roles and how they need to lock their arms and how many people per tier and and how which order you need to build it in and who needs it to be on the top.

You got you gotta have a real builder there

Rachel

Yes.

Gage

To make sure it's structurally sound.

Erik

Well, they they have a rotating stage here that I help build at the can can. And, you know, if you wanna add another piece to that,

Gage

you know, building a pyramid. Portfolio. Yeah. There you go. I wish there was

Erik

Rotating stage. You know, a lot of

Gage

these pyramids happened before the smartphones and stuff were all in our pockets all the time. So there's probably not great photo evidence. But it would be cool if somebody did, an archival dig and just found as many pyramid photos as possible and created a book. Absolutely. IGA Pyramid book.

In-Person Connections: The Future of AIGA Seattle

Rachel

That's part of this podcast. Yeah. Hopefully, everyone will help us.

Gage

I know. Submit the pictures. There should be a hotline. +1 800 Just call in your photo. That doesn't make sense.

Erik

Call in call in your photo. Send in your photo. Send in your photo. That's not a bad idea because, after, you know, this is this is number 12. Right?

Rachel

Something like that. Don't know why.

Erik

12 or 13.

Gage

That's a good number for a pyramid.

Erik

Right? Lucky. Are

Gage

you gonna make a pyramid of episodes like graphics for each season? Like stack up like Data's thumbnails into a pyramid? Absolutely. And then people could collect the poster. Each season could have a poster of the pyramid.

Stacey

Someone's signed projects Yeah.

Erik

Yeah. But I've seen, people have sent in a lot of pyramid photos that I'd never seen before. Yeah. And and also some photos that I'm in that I've never seen before.

Gage

You're like, I don't remember that.

Erik

I don't remember that. You know?

Gage

I definitely know that feeling when you're like, I guess I do remember that right now. Really? I sang karaoke on top of that, you know, pool table? Is that Yeah.

Erik

Cage, it's been so great to have you.

Rachel

Yeah. Thank you so much.

Gage

It's great to have

Erik

you here.

Gage

It's great to connect again in person.

Erik

Thank you for coming to our first in person. Oh, first.

Rachel

Yes. This is the

Erik

first one.

Gage

Guinea pig. Inaugural

Erik

episode of of you know being all all together in person. And it's nice to hear that you are bringing your leadership once again to AIGA Seattle. Mhmm.

Gage

Yeah. It's just been a lot of work to just even get all the legal entity back and so on and so forth because the chapter was negligent for a while. So that's we've been working on that for like a year just trying to track down accounts and stuff. But hopefully, you'll see some events in the near future getting posted up Oh, on static websites. Wow.

Looking forward to it. But I'm excited to get it back up and running. And almost everyone I talked to that's been involved in AIGA just all says, well, let me know how I can help once it's up and running. So I think everyone wants it to exist again. We just need to

Erik

I'll throw my name

Gage

into that. Need to get all the legal stuff done and get it going.

Rachel

Yeah. It's great. I'm so happy that you guys are doing this. So thank you so much.

Gage

Appreciate that. And thanks for doing this show. Of course. It'll be fun to reconnect with all the AIGA friends. It's been a lot of fun.

Rachel

It has.

Gage

It's been a lot

Erik

of fun, and it's it's been, you know, wonderful. I've you know, learning about you. Stuff that I didn't know about you and and I've known you for years. So

Gage

Yeah. This was fantastic. If only I could turn the mic around so to speak and learn more about you all, but I'll just do that through the podcast, I guess. Well,

Rachel

since we're here, cheers.

Erik

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Cheers. Might

Gage

as well. I'm gonna make a Weird. Yeah. Obligatory crack sound. Oh, yeah.

Erik

I'm good. Okay. We're I'm

Gage

good. Alright. Awesome. Cheers. Cheers.

Rachel

Well, thank you all for watching our very first in person podcast.

Gage

Yeah. Thank We're excited for

Rachel

all the support so far.

Erik

And thank you again to the CanCan Yep. For letting us host here. Clap, Jack. If you're ever in Seattle, check out, cancanSeattle.com. Come see dinner and a show. It's fabulous. You won't be disappointed.

Gage

Are you in any of the shows?

Erik

I am not anymore. I I hung up my cowboy hat.

Gage

Oh, really? I did. I did. So I You had to pass it on to the next generation.

Erik

Pass it on to the next generation and

Gage

There should be a whole episode on Eric's past in cowboy hats. Cowboy hats and speedos. That would be

Rachel

paid access.

Gage

Yeah. That would that would The the pro subscription. We could probably could probably dig up your documentary. Weren't you guys in a documentary?

Erik

I was. I I was. I there there is a full length documentary out there that I am in.

Gage

Alright. Put that in the show notes, people. Yeah.

Erik

No. It's it it wasn't that salacious, but it was it was a good time.

Gage

But a little.

Rachel

But a little.

Erik

It was a good It

Gage

was the right amount. It was the

Erik

right amount. And it just so happened to coincide with my time on the AIGA board.

Gage

Oh, nice. It's perfect timing.

Rachel

There you go.

Gage

You brought the hat to retreats, I seem to remember.

Erik

There was

Gage

There was a hat. It wasn't your hat. Now I remember. No.

Erik

It wasn't my hat. There was a hat.

Gage

Someone else found it

Erik

for poured water into.

Stacey

And You did that?

Erik

Oh, yeah. Yeah. I did that. And then it was either right before feel like

Gage

the we're at a bowling alley. Yeah. Karaoke bowling. Bowling alley. Karaoke. Which which city was that again?

Erik

I think that was Grand Rapids?

Rachel

Think it's Grand Rapids.

Gage

That sounds right. Because we had to walk across the bridge to get there.

Erik

Because Rachel Rachel jumped on my back, and I I just grabbed a ball in an open lane and bowled and

Gage

bowled With with her

Erik

on your With her on

Gage

my back. I hope somebody got that

Rachel

on your I discovered that while we were filming a podcast. I still yet have see a photo because I don't remember.

Gage

No picture? It didn't happen. I know.

Erik

I know. I'm I'm sure somebody has a photo somewhere.

Rachel

But I don't know. There are so many great moments in between moments. There's just no way to capture.

Gage

That's where the magic There

Erik

were. I mean, one of my, I don't know why it is, but it's a favorite memory of mine. It's actually Gage and I, it was after Grand Rapids had ended. It was before the breakfast. There were the brunch that we had. You and I walked around, you know, they had those elevated walkways. Mhmm. I guess for wintertime that connected all the buildings. Yeah. Yeah. And you and

Gage

I We're just getting lost. Getting lost as walking sign would be like, it's right over here. And then we'd walk for, a mile and it's like Yeah. I haven't seen another sign since. Yeah. Just building the Who designed Yeah. It was Who designed this place? Well,

Rachel

this was a good time. Thank you again,

Gage

Dave. Thanks for having me. Appreciate it. Yeah. Of course.

Rachel

Cheers and tears. We'll be back next time with more design leadership tales retold.

Erik

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Rachel

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Erik

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