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012: Victor Davila of AIGA Orlando

May 24, 202546 minEp. 12
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Episode description

In this conversation, Victor Davila shares his extensive journey in design leadership, particularly within AIGA. He discusses his roles, experiences at leadership retreats, and the importance of community in fostering growth and collaboration. Victor emphasizes the balance of multiple commitments and the impact of mentorship and relationships in the creative field. He reflects on memorable moments from leadership retreats and the collective spirit of the design community. This conversation explores the evolution of community engagement through design, focusing on initiatives like Unido and Changemakers that empower nonprofits. The speakers reflect on the significance of leadership retreats in fostering connections and ideas, the importance of mentorship, and the need for rebuilding community ties post-COVID. They emphasize personal growth through involvement in organizations like AIGA and the collaborative nature of leadership.

Key Takeaways

  • Victor has been involved with AIGA since 2011, serving in various leadership roles.
  • Leadership retreats are crucial for building relationships and community.
  • Being part of AIGA feels like an extension of teaching.
  • Community support is essential for balancing multiple commitments.
  • Networking at leadership retreats leads to lasting friendships.
  • Victor’s leadership journey has significantly contributed to his personal growth.
  • Creative Mornings and AIGA Orlando are platforms for community engagement.
  • Memorable experiences at retreats shape the future of the design community. Unido was created to support the Spanish-speaking community.
  • Changemakers events empower nonprofits through design work.
  • Leadership retreats foster energy and new ideas for chapters.
  • Community events help build connections across different chapters.
  • Post-COVID, there’s a need to rebuild connections among chapters.
  • Mentorship is crucial for supporting newer chapters.
  • Personal growth is often linked to community involvement.
  • Teamwork is essential in achieving leadership goals.
  • AIGA provides a network that extends beyond local chapters.


Episode Chapters

01:06 Victor’s Leadership Journey in AIGA

03:33 The Role of Leadership Retreats

06:30 Building Community and Relationships

10:29 Balancing Multiple Commitments

15:22 The Impact of Community on Leadership

20:15 Memorable Moments from Leadership Retreats

23:42 The Birth of Unido and Changemakers

25:52 Empowering Nonprofits Through Design

27:23 The Impact of Leadership Retreats

30:06 Building Community Across Chapters

32:08 Rebuilding Connections Post-COVID

35:22 The Importance of Mentorship in Design

37:37 Personal Growth Through Community Involvement

40:59 The Power of Teamwork in Leadership

42:27 Inspiration and Commitment to Community

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Transcript

Intro / Opening

Rachel

Chapter two.

Erik

I'm Erik Cargill.

Rachel

And I'm Rachel Elnar. And this is Cheers and Tiers.

Erik

Design Leadership Tales Retold.

Rachel

Hey, Erik. I know you know who this person is. He's an Orlando based illustrator, designer, and associate professor at UCF's School of Visual Arts and Design. His work spans animation, editorial design, games, and children's books. He also is deeply involved in the creative community, founding Giant Illustrators, serving on the AIGA National Board, and helping lead creative mornings for Orlando. Say hello to Victor Davila. Hello.

Erik

Welcome, Victor.

Victor

The bio sounds so much better when you read it, Rachel. Otherwise, it's just like nonsense, but that was awesome. Thank you so much for having me.

Erik

She's that that smooth voice. Right?

Victor

It's just She definitely does. Just enhances everything.

Erik

Yeah. She sends you on a journey.

Victor's Leadership Journey in AIGA

Rachel

Alright. Hopefully, this is a great journey. So I'm really excited to talk to you, of course. No. I mean, you have been always, in my feed. You're doing a lot. But for those who don't know you, can you let us know a little bit about your leadership role within AIG? How long you served on the chapter, and how you got involved in the first place.

Victor

Yeah. I've been involved with the local chapter, at least I'm sorry. Hadi, can you grab him, please? There he goes. There we go. Thankfully, this one's not live. Right? We can No.

Rachel

It's not live.

Erik

Okay. Not live.

Rachel

Live is fun, though. Right?

Victor

Alright. Sorry about that. So I've actually been involved with the Orlando chapter since 2011. I started that's when they invited me coming in. Sarah Collins was our president back then.

She was the one that called me up to the majors. When I first started on the board, I was paired up with Dionne Akins, we were the coeducation coeducation chairs. And she's the one that started the mentorship, or at least the way we know it today, she started the mentorship program. So I was happy to be able to learn from her. And then I went from that to membership and to vice president and to co president and to the president with Devin Hornschmeier.

So that took me all the way through 2020, '20 '20 '1 or so. And then after that, in the twenty nineteen leadership retreat is when Francis Yllana from Dallas Fort Worth chapter suggested that when it's when I roll off being president that I should apply to get the IPCC, which I did. And I got it, which led me to PCC, which led me to the national board. And in between there, I'm also still, as of this recording, I'm on the design educators steering committee. So I like to serve, and I like the community, and I learned a lot.

And I think it's a little bit selfish because I think it's a big part has been a big part of my growth. So say you know, people always say, like, we serve, but at the same time, I've been learning a lot. And I've been kind of, like, learning a lot about academia from the DEC and a lot about leadership and things like that. So it's been a really great journey so far. And I don't feel like I'm quite done yet.

Rachel

What is IPCC and PCC?

The Role of Leadership Retreats

Victor

The PCC is a President's Council Chair, which is the group of presidents. We would meet outside of the regular leadership meetings and the role of the PCC would be to be the liaison between the presidents and the national staff, the national board, to be able to kind of communicate and then actually go back and communicate the things that the president's concerns are back to the national board. And then the IPCC would be the incoming. So I was Frances's incoming, so I served with her for run, and then I was a PCC. And then Cherubell was my IPCC.

So and then Jen after that. So it's it was a great if we ever been to the I feel like it kinda got I was always disappointed that it didn't quite work out for me, but the PCCs, the one were the ones that hosted the leadership routines. So I was always kinda, like, stoked when I was becomes like, oh, yeah. I could do it, and we can host it. It'd be really, really fun.

I don't know if you remember, like, when Gage did it, Gage Mitchell did it and things like that. It was he was always, like, very dynamic. And I was like, oh, I that'd be fun to do that. And then COVID happened. We lost the leadership retreats, and I I never got my my time on that stage, unfortunately.

Rachel

Oh, man.

Victor

My one big regret.

Erik

You definitely have many years of leadership within AIGA. What year and where was your first?

Victor

My first must have been 2013. It was in Philly. And that was a crash course because I didn't know what to expect. And I went from being a fairly introverted AIGA board member to I don't think you can be an introverted AIGA member, a leader in a leadership retreat because you get kind of you meet people and then they sweep you away. I remember Nick, the way I met Nick what was Nick's last name? Prestileo?

Rachel

Prestileo.

Victor

Prestileo from Philly. I met him because we were hanging out outside and he was dressed up in that chipmunk costume. And he saw my badge. He saw my leadership retreat badge. And he's like, there was like in an area where it was like a lot of bars. Random people were coming up to him and hugging him. And he's like, dude. He saw my bachelors. He he knew he one of us. So he's like, can you, like, just be my guard, my bodyguard for a bit while I walked out into the hotel?

Was like, yeah. And that's how I met him. And it's just like it's kinda telling. That's the kind of relationships you start at these leadership retreats. Suddenly, you find you each other on the streets, and then you kind of like swept away, and then we became friends after that. It was great.

Rachel

Oh, my gosh. And you cannot be an introvert as a chapter leader. You cannot be an introvert at AIG Philly Leadership Retreat because Philly just brings out the best and the worst of you in

Erik

the moment, right? I

Building Community and Relationships

Victor

was going say, but if you're going to be at your worst, at least you're kind of surrounded by people that protect you. And that's like, you know, the family that you find at these leadership retreats that you're like, if you're being an knucklehead, I was like, all right, well, it's like do your thing, but then we got you. We'll take you home. You're going to be safe. And yeah, that's where we find our people.

Rachel

How many people from your board went to the leadership retreats with you?

Victor

I want to say like four. And that was pretty standard based on the amount of members that we had at that time. I think we had four. I didn't go to the following year. I think that was Denver, but I think I went to the ones after that.

Was it Denver? Yeah, so I went to Grand Rapids, I think that's where I met you, Erik. At least that's where we saw each other for the last time. And Raleigh was really great, Atlanta was fantastic. And I feel like I'm missing one in between Grand Rapids oh, boss Baltimore. Baltimore was really, really great too.

Erik

And I never would have guessed that you were as introverted as you were, but by then you had some retreats under your belt, or a retreat under your belt at least, because you struck me as very outspoken and very you had an integrity about you. Thank The way you spoke was very fair and very, you know, you had the consciousness of the whole in your mind. And it inspiring to me. And that's what struck me about

Victor

Thank you. I appreciate that. It's funny because I talk to my students about this all the time at the University of Central Florida where we, because I've experienced it and I think they've experienced it in some way where you get nervous and you get introverted when you're trying to advocate for yourself. But as soon as you're trying to advocate for someone else, or in our case, for our community or our city or whatever it is, we kind of get into that different role, a different mindset. And that's why I find myself a lot is trying to, it kind of reminds me of I don't know if you guys watch Friends, but remember when Ross was a teacher and he was nervous and he took on a character persona who was like British.

So he spoke with this British accent to get past his nerves. And it's just like because if you switch your mindset, but if you're kind of focusing on yourself, then you're totally nervous when you kind of get and that's where I find the cool things. It's like one of the things I brought out, one of the leadership qualities that I think I could identify myself is that if I figured out that I'm helping Eric, I'm helping Rachel, as opposed to doing something for me, then it kind of made me feel a little bit more comfortable because it was like one separation away. And that's one of the things I learned from my time at AIGA.

Rachel

It's really hard to get students to talk to people, isn't it?

Victor

Yeah. I think I mean, that's one of the things that we take upon ourselves when we start we have to be the example, so I can't be all in my shell if I'm expecting them to be in their shell. So when we go to conferences, when we go out or whatever local events, I drag them. Was like, all right, here's a chance to talk to someone. And if you can't talk to them, I'll go ahead and introduce you, and then I'll step back and do something else.

And they take it from there. I was happy. Like our local Orlando chapter has a couple of my former students involved in it. One, two, three. So I'm hoping that is they see and that's paid forward. So hopefully they saw I'm hoping that they saw it in me and they were kind of like, Oh boy, they can do it. If that knucklehead could do it, I could do it. So that's what I'm hoping would happen. But it's cool to see the next generation taking over and leading.

Balancing Multiple Commitments

Rachel

How do you balance your time? You're involved in so many communities. AIGA board, AIGA DEC, you've got your UCF students in those communities. You're part of Creative Mornings. You're doing Creative Self. Like, do you balance all these communities?

Victor

Sometimes not very well. And I would say that sometimes I kind of dropped the ball and I was like, Oh, I have to be focusing on this, but this is also necessary. I think with Creative Mornings Orlando, for instance, we have a really good team. And when we're not if I can't do anything, the other members kind of like pick up the ball or vice versa. So it's a matter of making sure that you surround yourself with people who have your back and are there to support you.

And I felt the same way with the DEC. The DEC is an amazing I had no idea what to expect when I joined the DEC. And I'm not very academic minded, even though I've worked at the university for years. I struggle with the academic mind and thinking like an academic, I guess. And I've really learned a lot from them, but they're you know, they're teachers, so they're very patient with us.

They're very patient with me. So I've been really lucky to have really good leaders and teammates in that group. And just like any other board, you have a common goal and they'll support you and they'll support my silly ideas or they'll rein me in when I need to be. In the same way with UCF, I have really good partners. My colleague, Ashley Taylor, over there.

And I also tend to drag people with me. So Ashley serves with me both in Creative Mornings Orlando. Now she's the VP of AIGA Orlando. And when I restarted Creative Mornings Orlando after the pandemic, the people I recruited were a lot of my old AIGA Orlando board. Like Devon's on it. Devon Hornsmeyer's on it with me. So I like to kind of like travel in a circle of people that I really kind of I can speak with and we speak the same language and we kind of get each other, support each other.

Rachel

So it's not only you who's busy, it's your whole entourage who's busy because you're employing them in all these different places.

Victor

Yeah, we drag each other. We travel in packs. It's always them. We always travel in packs. Yeah, she's fantastic.

Rachel

That's great.

Erik

I've spent a lot of time on LinkedIn lately, but Devon always seems to pop up just every so often just boop.

Victor

Yeah, she's great. She has two kids now and Cliffy. Cliffy, Manspeaker, her husband. He went to a couple of the retreats too. But they've both served and she's really active and she's just fantastic because I think I learned a lot from Devon.

And we talk each other off like the ledges sometimes because sometimes there's a lot of overwhelmingness. And we would joke that we spend more time sometimes doing AIGA stuff than we do in our own jobs, but we really like it. We really love it. We really love talking and hanging out with people and serving this community. So we have this relationship where we'd be talking each other off the ledge sometimes.

That's something you need. Again, we just need someone that's in our corner sometimes that will support our ideas. And I think that's what we're finding with a lot of the national board as well. Rachel and I serving on the national board, we have these ideas that we want to do. So we're always kind of like, we should do this?

It's like, yeah, let's do it, that kind of thing. So I think it's very fluid in how we communicate with each other. I think that goes with a lot of the folks that have served on chapters or still serve on chapters. We kind of know how it feels. So it's that language that we speak.

Rachel

It's like a mob mentality, right? Even if you want to take a little break, they still keep pulling you back.

Erik

And I think that says something about your leadership and the leadership that you've grown with within the community and how you're able to take those lessons and move forward also

Victor

teach. There is a lot of overlap. It's almost I would tell my wife that sometimes I feel like AIGA is just an extension of my teaching job because it's all kind of like the same thing. It's all part of design, but it's all part of community. It's all trying to make sure that everybody is going in the right direction or has a like a facilitate the future that they want to do.

It's kind of inspiring and teaching. It all feels like all part of the same job. So I don't feel like I'm moonlighting or something anywhere else. Think it's just this is what we do and this is an extension of what we do.

The Impact of Community on Leadership

Rachel

It's part of your personality. It's part of who you are.

Victor

At this point, yeah. It's very ingrained. And we always joke like if something were to happen and the organization wouldn't be here tomorrow, I think we'd still be doing what we do. We would just be calling it something else I get. But I think at the crux is the community.

How do we serve our community and how do we make things better for our community? And as an extension, part of the thing that I always explain is that one of the things that we try to do with everything we do is try to shine a light, in my case, on the Orlando community so that the Orlando creative communities is showcased and people are noticing what we do here and our amazing creative community and all the creatives and designers and artists that we have here. So everything kind of focuses back on that, whether it's teaching or creative mornings or AIG or Landauer or even Creative South or even Limbitless Solutions. So everything's kind of like that. You know?

Rachel

Five. I think I just counted five.

Erik

I don't know how many

Victor

We got Giant Illustrators. We have we have a few things.

Rachel

So let's talk a little bit about the leadership retreats. I didn't spend much time with you during the leadership retreats. It was honestly a lot of like, hi and goodbye, it was great, but I didn't I don't remember a lot of spending with you. In terms of after programming events whether at a bar or in a pyramid, is there any of those events, memories that still resonate with you now?

Victor

There's a few. I remember Grand Rapids specifically, and we were on a bus driving around somewhere. I guess it's like those buses that would take us to the different events. And I remember there was a bar at a church, like an old church. It was remade into a bar.

So I thought I remember meeting people. That's when I really I met Lenny Terenzi for the first time face to face at Grand Rapids. And we had been communicating through online and sketchbooking and stuff like that. So it was fun to actually meet him in person. So we hung out with Raleigh.

And I think that was around the time that the Raleigh chapter became our mentor chapter Because we were kind of changing a lot of things. And Lenny, I think, was the incoming president. And Matt I don't know if you remember Matt. He was also on the national board, but he was the Raleigh President before that. But he took us we started doing the community things, the community meetings like Raleigh.

But it was great. We hung out with the Raleigh chapter and that was like a really, a seminal moment for at least me as a leader because I think I was incoming president as well, or co president. So connecting with a lot of the leaders there and meeting a lot of these people face to face that I was communicating with I thought really did wonders for the progression that we had as a chapter. So I think we went around and there was like, we're acting fools, acting kind of like because we were in a safe space. And I don't think I would behave in the same way in Orlando because there's too many students around us that I do.

But we danced and we kind of messed around and we we had a lot of fun. We got on those pyramids that were probably a little bit too too tall, you know, and, you know, people would call security on us. And it was really, really fun. And I just remember in in in Grand Rapids meeting a lot of really, really cool people like you, Erik. And I remember that was the first time that I noticed that the national board was accessible because Christine Taylor would hang out after the fact.

And she was this kind of like she looked like a superhero. She still looks like a superhero last time I saw her. And she was just so cool. And she looks so she's just so put together. And I was in awe of her.

And then when we started talking, she was just so friendly. And I thought that was the first time it was just like, all right, these people are people. And I already told you earlier that everybody is so friendly. When we meet Debbie Millman or Michael Beirut, everybody's so approachable. But I don't know if I ever had that from the people that I knew from the National Board until that retreat.

Memorable Moments from Leadership Retreats

And I just met a lot of really cool people that one. And it just felt a little bit doable that we're all kind of like in this together type of thing as opposed to like they're over there and we're over here. So that one was was really good. And then the other one was Raleigh. Raleigh was fun, but it was also kind of tough in some ways because the so Raleigh was again, Lenny was there, and we had a really, really good time.

But the reason that one stands out to me is because that Sunday that we left, it was the Sunday. So I remember sitting in the hotel room not in the hotel room, the lobby waiting for Lenny who was going to take us to the airport. And that's when we found out about the Pulse shooting in Orlando. So we were in Raleigh, and then we were listening to news about Orlando. So it was really tough and seeing the news and recognizing the things that were being shown in the news.

Then one of our board members of the time, Tibby Starks, who has since moved away from Florida. But I just remember in that airplane ride on the way back to Orlando is we were sitting across the aisle from each other. I kept kind of glancing over. And by the time we landed, she already had this event called Love by Design that we put on just a couple weeks later, already figured it out. And she put it all together.

So I just remember thinking that that was you know this really really terrible thing that we had happened to our community. And even though it has nothing to do with design, think the power of our design community which is very empathic and very creative in a lot of ways, was able to do something about it. Not only I think we might have raised some money to the One Pulse Foundation, but also bringing people together and letting them have an opportunity to mourn together. Even though I didn't know anybody that was directly affected or or you know, like that that was hurt or or or killed in that in that shooting. But it felt like it it really hit the community really hard as as those things, you know, obviously would.

But I felt like this it's beyond the creative community. It's beyond the design community. It's something we as an organization can support. So those are the two really big things that stand out in how we could we grew as a chapter and grew as a community here in Orlando.

Erik

That's incredible. That's an incredible story. Thank you for sharing that.

Victor

Yes she's great to be. It was fantastic and it was a really great event that people just this past week somebody brought it up to me. And that was however many years later.

Rachel

So memorable.

Victor

Yeah. But leadership retreats were incredible. I miss them. I really do. And the last one that we went to in 2019 was Atlanta.

And one thing that was born from that one is it was the last day and we were all kind of in that room, the big meetings, general sessions or whatever they call it. And Anthony Welborn Antonio, where is he from? He's from San Antonio or Houston, One of the Texas chapters. I can't remember off the top of my head. But he kind of stood up and he spoke in Spanish and spoke to the Spanish speaking members of the AIGA board community, leadership community.

The Birth of Unido and Changemakers

And Reyna Castellanos was in Orlando with me. We were part of that. And we were already kind of chatting about there should be kind of like an AIGA Espanol or something like that. And obviously, few months after that is when the lockdown hit. But from that conversation is where AIGA Unidos came from.

And I don't think AIGA Unidos maybe would have happened in some other ways, but I don't think it would happen the way it did without the connections that we met when I met Jimena and I met Antonio and Dio from Atlanta. We were all kind of talking about, we should do this. We should get together. We should do something for the Spanish speaking community and things like that. That's what Unidos started off as.

So all those things were born from leadership retreats. And that's why I miss them so much because I think there's a certain energy you come back from. And that energy that you bring back from a leadership retreat kind of infects your board when you come back. Whether they went or not, they kind of feel that they were there because you come back with all these new ideas. And we also had these things called change makers that we did in Orlando and that came from Avery Smith who was on the board at the time in Orlando.

Met someone I want to say it's from Seattle. It started in Seattle or Dallas right? I can't remember who he met but he brought whatever it is because that's where you're at right Erik? You're in Seattle?

Erik

Yeah I'm in Seattle.

Victor

So I want to say it's either Seattle or Portland or one of those kind of like Pacific Northwest chapters And he brought the event that you guys were doing in there. And I think it then went to Dallas. And then it was a Changemaker event. So it was really cool. It's always really fun trying to find out what other chapters are doing and how we can adapt to our own community.

So all those examples were direct correlations from a leadership retreat. And they were fantastic. And they were fun. And they were great.

Rachel

What was Changemakers? What is that about?

Victor

Changemakers was an event where we would recruit people who would sign up from the community and we would break them down into teams. At least this is how we did it. I don't know if the other chapters did it a little differently. But then we would recruit some nonprofits that needed design works, those five or so groups would work directly for this nonprofit. So we have something in town called Art Reach, which is in our community for K through 12.

Empowering Nonprofits Through Design

One of the groups rebranded them. We had another group do some branding for this bifida, is that how you pronounce it, an organization that supports that community, and they did branding for them. So it's pretty much using design to change the trajectory of some of these nonprofits. And it was a great event. It was fantastic. I think we did it two years. But I think it was from Seattle. Seattle or, again, one of those chapters up there?

Erik

Yeah, it was a great opportunity for nonprofits to have some branding work done, some logo work, some research and you know they were tied with AIGA members. I forget the timeline of things, whether it was a few months or a few weeks, and then there was a show at the end where everybody had to show off what they had built together, And people from the nonprofit were there, and AIGA was there. And

Rachel

yeah. Such a great event. We did something like that at AIGA LA. It was called Design for Good, but it was a twenty four hour sprint. Oh, wow.

So you would get briefed, and then you would work in teams, And then twenty four hours later, like, you would be sleeping in the same room. Right? It was a typical, like, college all nighter type of thing or, you know, start up all nighter, depending. And, yeah, you would just have something ready by the end and you would deliver in twenty five hours, and it was great. Put all your focus towards that.

The Impact of Leadership Retreats

Victor

Yeah.

Rachel

Right? And that's all you did, and you were building assets, you were building brands, you were giving them you were empowering them. And then we got to meet up like two weeks later with the nonprofit and that's when they would have their unveiling. It was nice.

Victor

I think these events are really fantastic and again it shows the power of what we can do for community beyond just design.

Rachel

Right. All born from leadership retreats.

Victor

All born from leadership retreats.

Erik

All born from leadership retreats.

Rachel

Yeah. Leadership retreat.

Erik

I know. I know, right?

Rachel

And it can't be done virtually, Vic?

Victor

I mean, maybe we could try. But I think it how do you do a pyramid in a Zoom call?

Rachel

You arrange all the squares Exactly. Like this.

Victor

Yeah. I mean, there's something when you have, like, three rows of people on your back and your arms are entwined with the person next to you in an effort to make sure that the people don't fall and you're holding it for the photo, you're in the trenches with each other. You're kind of like in that. And I never could quite figure out if it was better to be at the bottom, all the way at the bottom with a person all the way at the top because that person is a precarious situation. But those are fun.

Rachel

Yeah. They are fun. I think that, yes, the programming during the day always sparked some ideas, but it was the after parties, the after after parties that really got conversations really going, right? Like you dug in deeper, you had more time to like figure out the logistics and what not or transfer information. Yeah, 100%.

Victor

It's always funny when you and I were talking about doing this particular stream or podcast today, I was kind of thinking about it. And trajectory of friendships in those retreats are always kind of fun to me because you start off not knowing people's names. So I might see Erik and say, hey, what's up Seattle? I'd be like, oh, what's up Orlando? And then eventually it kind of goes from like the chapters to like the names.

It was like the more you hang out. And then of course, we would connect them to social media and then we kind of like chat. But it was always kind of like, you you represent your city. It's like, I remember there was someone that went from one chapter to the other. They went from LA to somewhere else and I was like I don't know what to call you anymore.

Building Community Across Chapters

It was Amanda Hovest. Remember Amanda Hovest? Yes. She was like you can call me Amanda. Was like yeah I know. So yeah. So it's like that that trajectory of of friendships until you, you know, you get to your names. It's always fun. I I just remember when we started doing something else outside of Adobe, and I saw your name, Rachel. And I was like, surely two people can be called Rachel Elnar.

And I texted you. I was like, is this you? Are we on the same meeting for UCF and Adobe? You're like, yep, that's me. So it's like you start seeing all these other people doing amazing things beyond AIGA as well. So it's always kind of like the community of ours is just kind of like all over the place.

Rachel

So that's a huge attest a testament to the the strength of AIGA is the fact that, yes, you might be related to one chapter or you might be involved with one chapter. But when you go from city to city Yeah. For example, like Mike Joosse, who's been in many chapters or Josh Silverman, you know, you become part of the network as a whole and not just one specific chapter. Feel welcome enough to just go wherever.

Victor

Yeah. In that other stream, was mentioning how suddenly you have 300 beds all 300 couches all around the community or around the country. It's like an AIGA BNB type of thing where you can just kind of show up. Yeah, it's funny how it just kind of happens. Sometimes one of the things that we were trying to do post Atlanta leadership retreat and we left with a lot of energy so I wish the COVID down having quite messed it up.

Rebuilding Connections Post-COVID

But we were thinking we had at that point we had six chapters in Florida so we were trying to do like some sort of mega AIGA of Florida kind of event with all six chapters. Now we're down to three, I believe, because we lost a few three and a half, think. Maybe four. But it's still kind of like we're so close to each other, and we can do really, really cool things. How do we do that?

How do we support each other? How do we support Miami? How does Miami support Orlando and Jacksonville and Gainesville and Tampa and Tallahassee, all these other organizations. Because they might be a couple hours away, but we still have the same kind of it's a lot of the same similarities. So it almost feels like we also take pride and ownership of the chapters regardless of where they're at because we represent them and they represent us.

Rachel

Did you come away with any ideas? Any takeaways? Like how do we support each other? How do we get together? What can we do?

Victor

We tried to a few times. We did meet the chapters of different six or I don't know if everybody showed up, but we did meet a couple of times to try to come up with a plan. I think the idea at the time was since Orlando is the most centralized, Maybe we can meet here and everybody we can have some sort of kind of like event to try to kind of like do that. I know that we would drive a couple of us, for instance, drove up to Jacksonville for their poster show to represent and to support them. We traveled down during the reboot of Miami to represent them.

And I went to one or two Tampa Bay chapter events. So we did try to do that kind of thing. Of course, Jen from Gainesville, Jen Ford, that's how I met her. I met her before Gainesville was a chapter and she would come to the Orlando events. So we did try to support each other in that sense. And maybe there's still an opportunity as we keep growing to kind of rebuild that, but we just have a fewer chapters in our state now.

Rachel

I hope other chapters can find a way to support each other. I think that's really what's needed now.

Victor

I agree. I've gone on my rant with you. I sent Rachel a text the other day just because I was thinking about it before you go to sleep. You have all those stories. So when I woke up the next morning, I was like, I've to get this out.

Or I'm going to totally forget it, forget the little details. But I do think there is an energy that those leadership retreats brought in. And there's a lot of institutional knowledge all around the country in different chapters that the newer chapters or the chapters that are rebuilding can benefit from. I think one of the things that's missing right now is that connection. Connecting with where was Doug Stuckey from?

The Importance of Mentorship in Design

He wasn't from Kansas City, was he?

Erik

Topeka. Topeka, Kansas. Or Wichita. No. Was Wichita. You're right. Not Topeka. Sorry, Doug.

Victor

Yeah. No. But was great. I met him in one of the leadership retreats, he was just full of amazing ideas. And he helped us out a lot when I was going into my presidency. There's a whole bunch of stories that we have. Gage is another one. Brendan is another one. Brendan Shanley? Shanley.

Shanley. So you have all these things that I think that's we have a lot of chapters in like feeling a lot of burnout and I think that's what we're missing. I think we're missing a little bit of the camaraderie that we used to have. So the chapters don't feel like they're so isolated so that they feel like there's other people going through the same thing and I don't know if only leadership calls can do that. Think the leadership calls go a long way but I think there needs to be other connections and maybe we start back up with these virtual retreats until we can do something else.

But I do feel like there needs to be more mentorship within chapters and things like that to kind of like help each other through them.

Erik

Are you seeing that also with your students? Are you seeing people thirsting for that community? Or are there enough smaller communities out there that are kind of they're kind of satiating that there's just a little bit?

Victor

I can only speak for Orlando, but I think in Orlando we have a lot of really great communities that people can be a part of. We have UX communities. We have AAF is very active here. The American Advertising Federation. The marketing I forgot what the marketing is.

But they're really active. So Orlando has a lot of really great active professional organizations that speak to their community. So we're lucky in that sense. So my students have something called the Graphic Design Student Association, which is an AIGA for students. I think they tried years ago to try to make it an AIGA chapter, but we found some sort of student government rule or something.

Personal Growth Through Community Involvement

There was some sort of hiccup. But we still do that. So even the events that they put on, there's a lot of they do workshops and speakers, the same thing we kind of do at the chapter level. A lot of the students, other students react very positively to that. And I always tell them, I would encourage you guys to find your group.

But if you can't find your group, if you don't find a group that's really kind of like checking off the boxes that you want, then make your own group. It doesn't have to be. I'm not to be hurt if I have AIG over here or GDSA and you don't come to these. You start your own groups. Start communities.

Start whatever speaks to you specifically. That's why I started Giant Illustrators even before I was in AIGA because I felt like I needed to be around other illustrators that were doing the same thing. I mean, ultimately, we just sit around and kind of draw and talk geekery, which is cool, which is great, the kind of stuff we do. But at least you're kind of like in the like minded thing. And we can, and that's led to other things too and we can support each other that way.

So I think being a part of something bigger than yourselves, I think is really important for you, for the growth of a student, just a student's career, but also a student's leadership.

Rachel

Yeah. Would you be where you are without AIGA?

Victor

No, I don't think so. I think I be more isolated. I would go to the AIGA events locally before I was a board member. I would talk to the people I knew, but I wouldn't interact with the speakers. I would rarely interact with other people because they were the cool kids.

And it's kind of tough trying to immerse yourself in the cool kids. But then I realized that the cool kids thought the other group was the cool kids. And everybody's thinking of each other as the cool kids and not talking. But I know. I don't think I would.

I think I would be still a little bit more isolated and introverted. I think I would still be kind of like a person to attend it but I don't know if I would be like the community leader or at least what people think I am right now. So no, and I don't think so. I don't think I would be.

Rachel

I used to always attend events. And yeah, I was never the person who would stand in line afterwards to talk to the speaker. I would just go and get what I needed and then leave and whatnot. It was not until I actually started volunteering that made a huge difference on who I So my question to you is like, when you jumped into leadership, do you feel like that had a a a great effect in terms of who you are now?

Victor

I do. I do. One of the things that somebody told me early on about like one of the reasons I should join AIGA is because everybody has an opinion about who should come to speak or what kind of events we should have and things like that. So the best way to make sure that you're getting the events that you want is to organize them yourself. And I was like, all right, that's good.

I want to do that. So I think in that sense and once I did it a little bit with the chapter and I learned from other people, from my co board members and being able to see how they do it, I realized, all right, this is doable. I can do this. And one thing led to another. It's like, oh, I want this person.

The Power of Teamwork in Leadership

I'd love to meet this person. I want to meet Tad Carpenter. Was like, let's bring Kelly Anderson in and let's see because I love their work. And then being able to connect with those people and really having those good conversations. So no, I don't think I think I grew a lot as leadership, and mostly because it has showed me the possibilities of what I was able to do.

Before that, I was like, oh, that's something only somebody else is able to do or capable of doing. But now, after I got into this, I was like, oh, no, that's something I can do. And I can actually teach other people to do it as well. But it's weird. I was thinking about it earlier today when we were talking about we were having a conversation with Rick Griffith's name came up.

And when he came down and I picked him up at the airport, and he's just a fantastic guy. He was very warm. And he's kind of like I just remember thinking after he left that some of my favorite conversations with Rick had nothing to do with the design. We were talking about the Smiths or just music in general or whatever it was. And I had the opportunity to have dinner with him just one on one.

He gave me some kind of family advice, which I thought was really insightful that kind of helped me pointed me in a good direction. So it's those connections where it just felt like I was within people that kind of like thought very similar to me and could understand what my ideas were or what I was trying to do or what I was going through. And being a part of the chapter on the board level, it just gave me license to be able to say, yeah, I can do this. I can work with other people and hopefully I can teach other people how to do this. And hopefully when I'm ready to roll off, I've laid, I've helped, because I never do it myself, I've helped lay a foundation that others can build on.

Inspiration and Commitment to Community

Because one thing that I think, if anything, that I've learned is that none of these things that I've been a part of doing, none of these achievements that we've done, they've never been like, I did this. This has always been like a team effort, whether it's Creative Mornings or AIG8, Devin and Tibby and all these people that I've had the honor to work with. It's been this group effort, this collaborative effort. And that goes to what I learned about leadership too, which is not a solo thing. It's a team thing.

Erik

Fantastic. Fantastic.

Rachel

I have to say, there's a lot of insights that you are surfacing that I have not heard before, so I think this has just been filled with lots of golden nuggets.

Erik

Yeah, for sure. And your commitment to community is very clear. You can tell that it's given you something and you've also, you know, given the community even more, I think.

Victor

Thank you.

Rachel

Yeah, thank you for doing that.

Erik

Yeah, thank you.

Rachel

You know, if I feel like I have no time to dedicate to five different communities, I just need to look at you. And I know that it is possible.

Victor

Thank you.

Rachel

Yeah. You're my hero for sure. Thank you, Vic. I really appreciate the time.

Victor

Thank you for both for having me. This has been really fun and fantastic.

Rachel

Cheers. Yeah.

Erik

Of course. It's great to see you again.

Victor

Yeah. Great to see you, and, hopefully, we can do this again. Let's keep in touch a little bit more. Let's do that. Let's let more reunions or something like that.

Rachel

Yeah.

Victor

Let's plan.

Rachel

Yeah. Let's do that even if it's virtual.

Victor

Yes. Absolutely.

Rachel

Thanks, Vic. Appreciate the time again.

Victor

Thank you. Yeah. You both take care.

Rachel

Have a good night.

Victor

You too. You too. See you. K.

Erik

Just yeah.

Rachel

Quite inspiring, I have to say. Very inspiring. Fact that he's involved in so many communities and that he's giving and that I love the fact that he says he leans on his team instead of just doing it all. It's great. Cheers and Tiers will be back next time with more Design Leadership Tales Retold.

Erik

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Rachel

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Erik

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