"Smart and Just On One Side, vs. Free and Real On The Other"
Jul 08, 2021•38 min
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Episode description
Claudia Cragg @claudiacragg (comments, suggestions, ratings welcome) speaks here with staff writer at The Atlantic. He is the author of , , and . Americas, says Packer, is"...trapped in two countries. Each one is split by two narratives—Smart and Just on one side, Free and Real on the other. Neither separation nor conquest is a tenable future. The tensions within each country will persist even as the cold civil war between them rages on.
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