Welcome to the debauchery. In 2014, a man and his daughters were cleaning out their garage when they came upon a gruesome discovery. But this discovery was just the beginning of a nightmare that didn't seem to have an end. Insight. I'm Dave Jarry. I'm Garrett Quarter. And this is criminal as. But what's good? All you criminals, the boss and
true crime douchebags out there. And welcome to another episode of Criminal AF. Once again I am Dave Jarry and with me as always is my Co host Garrett Quarter. How we doing? Now we have a pretty big announcement to make that Garrett. And as you all know, we've been out of Commission for a bit because of the flood, the studio chloroform. But between our regular work week and finding time to get in here and do some pretty extensive repairs and upgrades.
Extensive. I I wouldn't say extensive. I don't know. It was pretty extensive. It took us a little bit. We're finally up and running, baby. Steel chloroforms back. Yes, Sir. Now, now in addition to being back in studio Chloroform, we're taking our team in our production to the to the next level. So let's give a huge criminal AF shout out to our new producer, Casey Moore. Now for those of you have been listening since back in the early serial Holic days.
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We would love to get to all of our questions, but you know, for time purposes we can only do about two or three. So if you don't hear yours on this particular episode, it will be coming up on a future episode, so just stand by. First up we have our good friend of the show Follow Flint now he just graduated from law school. Oh my God we need a a lawyer on retainer so every time we butcher laws we can just. Well, don't. Don't count your ex, you know.
Oh, he's like 100%. We're keeping all the speed dial. All right, well. Let's Flint, you heard that? It's all the vents. It's all we need. You all right? So he just graduated from law school along with our other friends at a show, Lauren and Jamie. So congratulations to all of you for such a an amazing achievement. I can't even pass a math class, so never mind. So that's pretty good. Now, this question, actually, this question is directed to you, Garrett. OK, OK.
And follow. Flint wants to know. Garrett, will you still allow me to listen to the show even if I become a scumbag defense attorney? Oh. Gary So. You're you're trashing these defensive. No, I, I am, I, I think, I mean, we've, how many episodes have we gone through where I just talk so much shit on defensive attorney? Oh yeah. It's it's pretty much every single one. But hey, pays the bills it does. Pay the bills. Better than a prosecutor for sure.
No, I of course, actually like I said, I want to keep you on retainer. So when we we have any questions, we can just call up and be like, hey, hey, good. Well, you're still allowed to listen, man. Follow Flint. So yeah, even though you're a scumbag. Even though you're a fucking scumbag. Now defend those. Criminals, no. You get to pick and choose your cases though, right? Yeah, yeah. So as long as he doesn't defend like some real pieces of shit then it'll be fine. OK.
All right. Thank you very much. Follow Flint. Next up, we have Jeanette and she wants to know, do you prefer cake or pie? And whatever you pick, what is your favorite flavor? I think I we just, I, we actually just recently talked about this. I'm I'm cake. Your cake? Yeah. Pies, pies are good. But wait, no, that was us, Casey. I think we were discussing that because we were talking tiramisu. It was. It was the conversation about tiramisu for sure. I mean, tiramisu was delicious.
Yeah, but it's not cake. That was the argument. Somebody was like, it's cake. It's not cake, it's not cake. And and pies are by far better than cake. Yeah, we know you're a pie guy. Yeah, well, I, I, I will say this. Like with cake, take birthday cakes out of the equation. No, but that's the best cake. Like, no it's not. Shitty birthday cake with crappy like just a vanilla square cake with shitty frosting. With strawberry frosting. Oh. God, it's. The has to be the worst fucking
cake. Ever. Dude, it's the best. No, the only birthday cake that I'll that I'll fuck with is is chocolate. Chocolate. You know, chocolate. Chocolate. Cake with chocolate frosting. Yeah, but that's shitty too. It it is, but carrot cake. No. Carrot cake is the fucking bomb. Yep, I'll eat carrot cake. Dude put me at the cake table at like a four year old's birthday party. I'm fucking I'm, I'm there. Let me go to your kids birthday. But if somebody came up to me and said, hey, what do you
prefer? A cake or or pie? I'm going to say pie. I'm going to, yeah. I mean, it's good, but I just. You can't be an apple pie, especially a warm apple pie, when. It's slice a slice of cheddar on it a. Little slice of cheddar. OK, All right. I got you. Ed Gein. I feel like that's such an old person thing. I. Know, but it's. Good. We I've actually learned that from it, the Ed Gein episode, and it is it's you tried it. Yeah, delish. It's got to be melted on it,
though. You can't just throw a slice. Did you try the warm apple pie that I gave you? No, with the hole in the middle. Of it, No, I didn't, Dave. No, no. How many parties? Do they think it's a joke? It's not a joke. I will definitely choose pie 100%, but if I'm given a cake, I I would want to be carrot cake. I love fucking carrot cake. All right, so thank you very much, Jeanette. I I like that question. Next is the Saintist St. They want to know. Here's a good one.
Out of all the last meals, what is your favorite or most appealing last meal? Out of. Former. Former. Whatever. No one last meals of criminals. Well, let's see. We got the list here. Go ahead, read. Start reading through some of them. All right, Well, so we can. Discuss which one You OK? We got a let's Well, we can go John Wayne Gacy, right? So he owned AKFC, you know, So of course he had to have the bucket of KFC chicken. He's had 12 fried prawns. Those are like what?
Shrimp Prawns. Yeah, they're like larger. Shrimp. Larger shrimps? Yeah, a pound of strawberries and French fries and a Diet Coke. The pound of strawberries throws me off every time I hear that. Yeah. It's just so out of the. I don't know, it just seems creepy to me. It seems very gacy a pound of fresh strawberries. Like, I don't know, there's just something weird about that 'cause you got KFC chicken, shrimp, French fries, a Diet Coke, and then a pound of fresh
strawberries. That's very. Yeah, now that you mentioned it, a pound of French, it's just out. Of the. Out of the norm. It's weird. My thought was the Diet Coke, like dude, you're about to fucking die, who cares if you have a a lot of people, what are you trying to do? Diet Coke a lot of people like the taste like. It tastes like fucking rubbing alcohol. Diet Coke. I like it. I don't like a Diet Coke every now and then. Coke's good. I don't know. You guys are crazy.
I think you guys should be on this fucking list. Like regular Coke is just too there's too much sugar. It's. Too sweet. OK, I think that's why even a Diet Coke's just as bad. For you, I will fuck with a Coke Zero though. Coke Zero's good. It's not. No, it's not the same as that. I know it's different, It does have a different taste. Yeah. All right. So I mean, yeah, that's good. That's that's a iconic, Yeah, it's iconic.
Timothy McVeigh. All right, The the Oklahoma City bomber there, he just wanted 2 pints of mint chocolate chip ice. Cream. Underrated pick in my opinion. Yeah. You like mint chocolate chip? No, I'm just, I'm just thinking of like as a last meal to like ice cream. I don't know. It's, it's a underrated pick. It's actually. There's a couple people that the. Last thing you have on this earth is ice cream. It's not. That's not horrible. I would I would go for an ice
cream. Plus, you don't want to have a full belly when you die, right? I don't think so. See, now, if Gacy would have would have mentioned all of that and then replace the strawberries with fucking ice cream, Oh, yeah, that would have been classic. But he gets knocked down a notch for that. All right, Eileen, your girl Eileen. She was like, you know what? I'm not hungry. I just want a cup of black coffee. That's all she wants. Like, like a true Alcoholic
Anonymous pick. Let me just get a black coffee. I'm going to sit in the back of the room and just listen. I don't want to tell my story. It's just, I don't know, black coffee seems like such a Eileen thing to do. Yeah, all right, so now we got Richard Cooley. All right, so people that don't know who Richard is, he raped, stabbed and tortured 2 college students in Akron, OH in 1986. Now his last meal is. This was the This was the go to. For sure. T-bone steak.
He's got onion rings, French fries, four fried eggs, buttered toast, hash Browns, a bucket of Rocky Road ice cream, bear claw pastries, oh OK, and a two liter bottle of Mountain Dew. That that is, that's gotta be. He's going out on top. He's going out on top. There's like everything good. There's no way he finished all that either. I would say no, but I bet you had a fucking hell of a. I'm gonna get a little morbid here. The gases that were coming out of that guy's body after he.
Started. Like, yeah, what he started like must have been you probably could start smelling it after he started after like when they were pulling him off the. Table for sure. Imagine that fucking the rocky road ice cream. He's getting fried. Fried rocky road ice cream. Akron, OH have an unlimited. Yeah, budget, that's what I that's what I was thinking too, because there there's, there's got to be a limit, right. Some states have limits. I feel like if you're going to
kill. Somebody you might as well. You got to give them what they want. Yeah, you got to go out. Yeah. Yeah, they, they deserve they've they've earned the the. State's still killing you. Their state is still killing you. You got to give them a look. Come on, we can afford. Yeah, congratulations on raping and murdering those fucking women. But yeah, hey, we'll give you a fucking the rocky road. The one thing I will sub out though, 2 liter bottle of
Mountain Dew is just wild. That's a very Florida Man thing. Two liter bottle Mountain Dew. Yeah. I'm not a Mountain Dew fan, no. I'm surprised that didn't kill him. Actually, Mountain Dew is is the official drink of West Virginia. There we go. I'm not, I'm not even kidding. Like there Mountain Dew sales, this is look it up. Mountain Dew sales in West Virginia. Oh man, that doesn't.
Tell you something about? If there's anybody here that's listening from West Virginia to confirm this or not, Mountain Dew is the official fucking state drink. I'm not even kidding. Do they even have like the Internet in West Virginia? It's just trailer after trailer after trailer cancelled. There's some nicer parts of West Virginia but majority of West Virginia is hillbilly for sure. Ring a Ding Ding. It makes sense that Mountain Dew
is the most drink beverage. Because I got 2 teeth ring a Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding. All right. Next up, we got Lawrence Russell Brewer. Now this guy, he killed a man named James Bird by beating him and chaining him by the ankles and dragging him with a Ute. What's a Ute? Anybody know where the Ute is? I don't know. It's like a tractor or something. It's got to be some sort of heavy machinery. Yeah, he dragged him for 3 1/2 miles until Bird's head was decapitated.
That's wild. So. I'm actually surprised it took 3 1/2 miles. Yeah. All right, so listen to this guy's fucking order here. He's got two fried chicken, steaks, gravy, a triple cheeseburger with bacon, a cheese omelet, a bowl of okra, a pound of barbecued meat, 1/2 loaf of white bread, 3 fajitas, a large meat lovers pizza. There's no way. 3 root beers, a bucket of ice cream, and a slab of peanut butter fudge. Now when the food arrived, brew was like. Nah, I'm not hungry.
Oh, that's good. I like that. And this led you this led to the state of Texas to stop granting last meal requests. Whoa. They get what basic? Ohh. They're pussies. They get the basic meal. That's crazy that they got so mad that he didn't eat the food. Yeah, and they went out and that they pass an actual law if. That's crazy. Yeah, that's petty to me. I don't know, that's a lot of fucking shit though. Fuck it. That's a lot of shit.
Slab of peanut butter slab. Of butter fudge, they just, yeah, they got the whole that's first square that comes out before they cut it up. All right, Next up we got the. Infamous. Infamous Ted Bundy, Ted. Bundy. I was going to, I was going to think of it as Monica. What was it? Oh, the lady killer. That was his moniker, The lady killer. Ted Bundy.
All right. He just wanted whatever the default last meal was for the state of Florida, which was steak, eggs, toast with butter and jam, hash Browns, coffee and juice. Classic. Classic, though, it's. Basically breakfast for dinner. That might be my choice. So far I don't. Know breakfast for dinner is pretty good. I like that. All right, then we got Ricky Ray Rector, and this is our last one we're going to choose from.
In 1981, Ricky Ray Rector he shot three people at a restaurant in Arkansas, then murdered a police officer while pretending to surrender. Rector then shot himself in the head in a suicide attempt. He survived, but the injury left him with serious brain damage that rendered him mentally disabled. I thought you couldn't kill somebody who was mentally disabled. I thought that was like. Well, I'm sure that the crime happened before the incident. OK, Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah.
All right. So Ricky Ray. He ordered steak, fried chicken, a slice of pecan pie and cherry Kool-aid. You ruined it with cherry Kool-aid. He ate everything before his execution, but he told the prison guard he was saving the pecan pie for later. I like it. Yeah. I like you got to add some mystique in your death story, you know what I mean? How creepy. I imagine being the prison guard. You got it. That's what I mean. He's like, I'm just going to save this pie for later. You're like.
What? What? I'll be back, Yeah. All right, So out of those who who you, who you choosing? I'm not for the food, but I think I'm going to go with Lawrence Brewer. I'm gonna go at Lawrence Brewer. Too, I think. I think. It's see how you don't because. Yeah, it's it's like a big old fuck you on your last one, but. Oh so do do you guys not eat it? Yeah, that's I'm, I'm picking him because I like how he ordered all that food and just said, Nah, I'm not hungry. I don't know.
Are you not eating it though? Oh, I eat it if if you're there. If I'm looking at, I'm looking at his lineup, that's that's that is just. Yeah, 'cause the reason why I was, I was like, oh, the variety there alone is. Yeah, plus the three root beers, you get extra points if you go like like a craft root beer. You don't ask for the barks, you ask for like, you know, like the the root beer that you get at the fair. You know what I'm trying to say?
Like the the glass bottle? Like the home brewed, yes. Root beer, yes. OK, I got you. I'm a big sucker for a good like organic clap organic, but you know what I mean? Yeah, I'm going with homemade. I'm going with this guy's last meal. The only thing that's kind of like intriguing me is the the bucket of ice cream. Like what kind of ice cream? It doesn't say. Probably just went vanilla. Yeah. It's like a 5 gallon bucket of
ice. Cream Black Raspberry Tub black Raspberry. You like black Raspberry? We had this. Discussion. Oh yeah, I called you an old man. You called me a 90 year old dude? Yeah. Black Raspberry ice cream is. Definitely. Do you want some? Pistachio with that day. I'm liking all of that stuff on here. Yeah, I think I'm going. Yeah. Lawrence Brewer. I mean, it's it's. Before my surgery. Ted Bundy close second. Before my surgery I could eat all of this. Now you probably 1 sitting
fucked up in one sitting. I could probably eat all that large meat lovers pizza. Oh, yeah, yeah. I'm going with Brewer, Brewer, Brewer, Brewer. All right. So thank you very much, St. to Saint, That was a good question. That was a good one. All right, Next up and finally we have Kate Goanna and she asks when are you guys going on tour and when are you coming down under? I would love to go. I would. Fucking love that shit. Love it, love it. That's that's definitely a
fucking pucker list item. Well, the goal is. Kate's got to show us around, too. Kate. Yeah. Oh, she yeah, she would 100%. Now the goal is eventually to become the greatest true crime podcast in the world. Listen, we already are. I've, I've told you this 1000 times, Dave, are we have the highest numbers? Nobody look it up. We're the number one true. Crime. Nobody else in. The world. Don't look it up. Just take my word. Don't. Yeah. Listen. We have a producer now. We do listen.
We're we're doing big things here. Yeah, this guy gets 300 KA year, six weeks of paid paid. Vacation. Wow, What do we get? We don't get shit. Don't get shit. We gotta we. Gotta put it all into our producer. What's great about this is now I have a official record, this is a basically a verbal contract on what? A verbal contract now if we do make it big, now we gotta pay this guy fucking this much with six weeks. I don't. I don't see anything written Yeah the the.
Verbal contracts are enforceable. I I honestly think that I'm probably just ruining the show more than helping, but hey if you want to pay me top dollar for it. It's all good. It's good. It's good. Yeah. So once we, our our goal is to go on tour. I would love to do a fucking live tour. Love, love, love it and eventually one day, that will include Australia. Oh yeah, that's the bucket list for sure.
Yeah, 'cause we have, we have a lot of friends out there in Australia after after the United States. Australia is our second highest followed country I guess which? Is still crazy to me. Yeah. Love you guys out there though, thank you for listening. And then Canada and UK. So yeah, we, we, we definitely. Let's let's also be honest, that would be more of a leisure thing too. Just to go to. Australia. Yeah. Yeah, I don't want to just record. I want to go hang out with everybody.
I wanna go sightseeing. You you you end up not filming that episode at all while you're out. There no we we'd have to do one but a tour. We'd have to do at least four dates because those are like the primary areas. We'd have to do Sydney area. Yes. For sure all the people from Yas can come. We'd have to do Adelaide. 100% Melbourne. They have to do Melbourne and Perth out there in the West. And probably lock up the Sydney Opera House. Yeah.
Oh, without a question. Yeah, we tell them we're the number, we have true crime. Podcast in the world. We'd have to. We'd have to turn people away. Yeah, sorry. How? Many seats. Does that hold? I have no idea. Not enough, probably. Standing room only have it probably more. Yeah, you could get your boat and and be out in the freaking Bay and watch it. I like it. I like it. So yeah, eventually we'll be out there. Promises, promises, promises.
We'll get there. All right, Dave, time to go to Florida. What in the fuck is going on in Florida? God, I love that intro. All right, you ready? Florida Man takes a bite out of a deputy's head during a wild rampage at EDM. Festival. You ever been to idiot like a music festival? Have you ever never went like a three day Bender? Not Oh man.
No, not you're. Missing out of time A wild scene unfolded at the Soul Fest 2024 Music and Arts Festival down in Ponce de Leon, FL when a man went all out by. Taking a chump. Out of the deputies during a wild rampage on Sunday. Huntsville is my favorite explorer. Really colonizer?
According to the Holmes County Sheriff's Office Facebook posts, chaos ensued when James Michael Anderson, a festival worker, went off the rails under the influence get this of a cocktail of a substances including PCPLSD, ketamine, mushrooms and ecstasy. What the fuck, dude? Was on another planet and I. Wasn't even a fucking alive. I don't know it, it must have been like First off ecstasy could have all those things in it. You never know. It's cut with a whole bunch of
shit. So whatever he popped positive it could have had but still PCP like you double stacking all those is crazy. That's wild. Yeah, you're on another planet. Anderson faced charges of aggravated aggravated battery on a law enforcement officer. He. Probably didn't even realize he was. No, no, he probably was. In thought it was like a fucking cantaloupe.
Especially like if you ever watched like episodes of Cops and like when they come across a duster like anybody on PCP, dude they'll get shot and just keep going. It's wild. Fucking crazy. Where was I? Aggravated assault, battery on a law enforcement officer and resisting arrest with violence after sinking his teeth into a Holmes County deputy's head during a frenzied attack amid festivals beats.
So this was during the concert. During the assault, Anderson not only went for the deputy's head, but also made a grab at the officer's gun, escalating the situation to new heights of insanity. We're going to bring up the picture of the officer's head. Look at all you can show you right now. Look at the chunk. What the? Fuck dude, cancel out. It's gotta be nutty. That is, that's like a, a, a like, that's not like a bite. That's the actual chunk.
Yeah, it's a chunk. The sheriff officer shared a stomach churning image of the deputy's injury, showcasing the aftermath of Anderson's unhinged attack when attempts to subdue Anderson with the Taser failed. Yeah, 'cause he was on PCP, it took multiple deputies to bring him under control. Both Anderson and the injured deputy required hospitalization for their wounds after the chaotic festival scene.
Soul Fest and annual gathering held at Vortex Spring descended into madness from May 2nd to May 5th, leaving attendees shaken by the outrageous events that have unfolded that. Is fucking wild holy shit. The First off, to be able to take a chunk out of someone's head like that, like that's to the bone, that's to the skull. Yeah, you really got to be digging deep for that one. Well, I mean PCP, I mean, also like there was a guy who ate the guy in Miami who was, who was
that supposed to be? Spice bath salts. Bath salts. But bath salts is synthetic PCP at the end of the day. You know what I mean? It's it's just a wild drug. I've seen so many videos of people just take gunshots, Taser, like Tasers fail, Doesn't it Doesn't matter. You're in like another world. And then you mix. Yeah. And then you mix every other drug under the sun. That's just it's it's impressive that he was still standing. Imagine sitting at the cops, probably like getting into the
fucking, you know? Also he's got this fucking dude biting his head. I will say from experience though, like those music festivals get a little. A little wild. Yeah, a little little crazy. Yeah. There's always somebody who wigs out. There's always somebody like anybody, any listener who's been to a Dead head, you know, those are who are Dead heads, Grateful Dead concerts, those kind of
things. You. There's always somebody in the front just doing like hand circles, like out of out of their mind. It's wild. But to be fair, good times. Sounds like a good time, except unless you get a chunk taken out of your skull. But leave it up to a Florida man. Even our producer he he does bath salts every once in a while. No, that's that's a lie. He has to to fucking sign up for this shit. All right, well, that was a
fucked up fucking Florida man. But we're going to jump right into this fucked up story about a man out of Utah and his daughter is making a horrific discovery while cleaning out their garage. Shout out real quick to Chris Owen for doing the research on the story. Cheeky. We love you. Yeah, so to go ahead and climb in bed, relax, throw your headphones on, punch your significant other in the face and blame it on the night terrors because it's time to
fuck this episode in the mouth. Jesus, that was aggressive. Oh yeah, little violence in bed. Hey, never hurt anybody, all right? So now on April 12th, 2014, a man by the name of Darren W was cleaning out the garage of the home he once shared with his wife Megan and their three daughters located at 536 E 200 N in Pleasant Grove, UT, which is about 35 miles away from Salt Lake City and has a population of about 38,000 people. Now why do I say once shared
Garrett? It's because nine years earlier in 2005, our friend Darren here was charged and convicted for running a meth lab out of the home. He pled the two counts of having chemical intended for manufacturing methamphetamine and was sentenced to nine years in prison. So on this day, April 12th, Darren was living in a halfway house and received a 48 hour pass to come home, clean it up a little bit, you know, to make some space for him to move back in, you know.
Now at this time, in addition to two of his three daughters, Darren's parents, the actual owners of the home, were living there caring for the girls along with Darren's sister and brother-in-law who lived in the in law apartment in the basement. Now Darren was fixing to move back in once he was cleared to integrate back into society. So Casey wants to know, but where is Megan, his wife of 21 years? Well, Casey, good question. She lives in another town not too far away with her new
boyfriend. Of course. Yeah, so while Darren and Megan are still technically married by law, they have been separated for some time, probably because of the nine year meth lab sentence. Yeah, I. Don't. I don't think meth head stayed together for nine years outside of. They usually find more meth head friends to hang out with, but Megan has another man to bring to the Boom boom room, so everything's all good there.
All right, So why do the three daughters live with the grandparents and not their mother, you ask? I don't know because there's they probably lived in a meth house. Probably lived in a meth house and also because their dad's in jail and Megan, their mother, is also a meth head and an alcoholic. She's actually cleaned herself a little bit. She's not so much a meth head anymore, but she does like the way the alcohol tastes. You know, usually.
It's the lips. Usually we we this podcast kind of shits on DCF for not doing the right job. So kudos to the one and actually taking those children out of. Their home so good. Good for those grandparents to step up. All right, now let's all join Darren back in the garage, shall we? Him and his daughters are cleaning the garage, sorting through some of the old boxes, keeping the ones with value and throwing away, you know, the junk.
Now I'm not 100% sure if it was Darren who came upon this one particular box or if it was his younger daughter, but whoever came across it, someone opened up the cardboard box. It was wrapped numerous times with electrical tape. What's in the box? What's in the box? What's in the box? Yeah. And then the box was allegedly marked Christmas stuff. All right, now the box was opened and they found a blanket folded inside in a plastic bag, which was also wrapped in
electrical tape. When they opened the plastic bag, they all got a whiff of something putrid. President of police. Oh yes, ma'am. Can I have a officer? Come to this address. And your name. My name is Darren WI. Just found something in my garage. I think it's a a miscarriage. Can you? Be more specific, what do you mean by a miscarriage you found? I have no idea, just please send an officer up here. It sounds like you may need medical. It's been wrapped up in a plastic magnet.
OK, what is it? It's a little baby. Wow. Wow, appreciate the editing on that too. Yeah, that wasn't me. That wasn't me. I, I, I took the audio from something. It's very suspenseful. Though I know that's. Great. Perfect timing too. That's a baby. Shout out to Investigation Ron, that little clip.
So Darren also made it clear over the phone that he was on parole and he had a 48 hour pass to be at the residence, you know, knowing full full well that the questions and implications that were about to come as well, you know. What I mean you? Found a dead baby? You're just getting out of prison. You're you know what's funny? He's probably upset because he it wasn't even because of finding the baby, it was because fuck I'm on a 48 hour probation. I don't need this shit right now. I'm.
About to have police contact. So now Darren, he gets off the phone with the police. They're on their way. And then Darren calls Megan. And after pressing Megan for answers and getting a little bit upset, you know, saying what have you done? What have you done? I found something in the garage, you know. Megan admitted to him that she had a miscarriage just after he had gone to prison back in 2006. Fuck is going on? Right. She was upset at the time and
messed up on the meth. You know, she didn't know what to do, so she placed the baby in a box and put it in the garage. Holy shit. Panicked. Had a miscarriage, you know I'm high in fucking math right now. I don't want to call the cops, what do I do? I'm panicking, blah blah. I'm going to put the baby in the box. OK?
Now police soon arrived on the scene and they were talking to Darren, his mother, his sister, brother-in-law along with two of his three daughters trying to piece together what was happening now. Darren explained they had spoken to his ex and she had said that she had a miscarriage and placed the baby in the garage. At this point, police took things more seriously and explained that they would need to also speak to Megan right away and then they then secured
the scene. One of the officers called Megan on her phone. Are you able to help us understand what's going on here? It was a miscarriage 9 years ago. And how far into your pregnancy were you? What? How soon can you come down here? Detectives need to ask you some follow up questions so that we can, you know, rule out any kind of foul play. OK, Listen to me. I need you to stay at your residence.
We're going to have a West Valley City officer come pick you up. So she she had to have gone into an OBGYN while she was pregnant, right? She had to have gotten the test that was positive. How do you make it all the way? One would think, how do you make it all the way to she said it was it was a stillborn, right? So that means she gave birth to it. Yes. There was no follow up like hey, your due date is this day. You still haven't like like. I'm I'm confused. I'm confused with what?
Happened here. Do we have a lot to learn with this story? All right, keep going then keep going then 'cause I'm I'm confused. I I think there's like a laws to having kids and shit. Yeah, there is. OK, all right. But you know, so before we continue further, let's learn a little bit more about Darren West and Megan Huntsman, I mean Huntsman. So Megan Huntsman, she was born February 26th, 1975 in Pleasant Grove, UT. It was the oldest child to Blaine and Joyce Huntsman.
They were a a middle class family that were heavily involved with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Isn't that? Aren't you a member? No, I'm not gonna go there. You already know her. All right, keep going. This this is all making sense now. OK, the people that were around her growing up said that she was shy incredibly. That quick question just to that is Mormon, right? Sure, pretty sure. Yeah, I think. That's they're more. Crazy. Yeah, I think that's right.
Yeah, that's that's Mormon church. All right, okay. I just wanted to just, that's why I'm saying it all making sense here, but keep going, all right? So yeah, so the people around her growing up said that she was shy, incredibly private and lacking confidence. Megan met Darren West in high school. Darren was a few years older than her. He was a fairly quiet guy, but he was also, you know, sort of a bad boy, you know, bad boy. Yeah. So you don't even, like, they
like those bad boys. Now, Darren skipped a lot of classes, and he did a lot of partying, drinking, you know, doing some, you know, bad boy shit. But nothing too wild at first, you know? Now, I always have to say, like, you know, there's always something about these prim and proper, like, Christian schoolgirls. Oh, yeah. Once they get to high school, like it opens up a whole like
Duke world to them. You know, we, we had a couple of Christian middle schools in my town and you know, we had no Christian high schools. So now once you once the girls and the and the kids, you know, they graduate middle school from their Christian schools. They had to go to the public high school. And let me tell you something. Then Christian kids, they can get love. Like a child anybody like. Wow.
Where it knows I it was the same thing with Saint Patrick's in in Norwich, it was the same thing all the all the girls, once they got the NFA, she they're at the parties. Game over, game over. All right, so anyway, begging and Darren Day begin dating now in 1993, Darren was in college when Megan graduate from high school. And the moment she turned 18, Darren proposed her Wow.
And of course she said yes. Now come on, who wouldn't want, you know, a hard party in school, skipping beer drinking drug doing 20 year old fucking husband. Yeah, fucking oh, that's going to be. That's going to be my baby daddy. Right? So it wasn't long after this that Megan found herself pregnant and in true Megan Huntsman form, with her intense privacy in a way that she kept everything to herself. She told no one at all about her pregnancy, not even Darren. Wow.
Now, there's also something we need to know about Megan. And she is one of the rare people that carries their pregnancy very well, meaning that she does not show. All right, now you have to be really fucking intimate with someone to even know that she's pregnant. That's interesting. Was she heavier set? No, no, she just, I don't, I don't know. What do you call that? She had them Burlington hips. Burlington hips. She was hippie. I don't know. She just, she just held her
pregnancies very well. Now, Megan was pretty near full term before anyone knew, including Darren. It wasn't until she was about to give birth, like actually give birth, that she finally decided to tell Darren that she was pregnant and she ended up giving birth at home on her own. What the fuck? Yeah. Now at the time, Darren's parents, they owned the home on 536 E 200 N in Pleasant Grove, UT, and they basically offered up the home to Darren and Megan to live in as they were starting
a new family. After they moved into their new home, Megan found work as a house cleaner and babysitter, and Darren found work in construction. It wasn't very long before Megan found herself pregnant again, and true to form, she did the very same thing as the first pregnancy. She didn't tell anyone. I mean, you need there's prenatal vitamins you have to take. There's a like she. Didn't say anything. I don't know. Kept a secret? Nope. And she gave birth at home again by herself.
And it wasn't until after this baby was born that she told Darren, hey, guess what? You got another. You got another fucking kid. I don't. Know I wouldn't believe her. Wow, well there, where did you get? Where did you get that baby from? Did you get that baby? Hey. So now they have two daughters with the oldest one being about a year old at this this point. Now, for a while, things are going pretty well. You know, both Megan and Darren, they're working, they're
supporting their young family. Now. It wasn't until the kids turned about two and three that things started to turn a little S Darren never really stopped being a bit of the bad boy. And even though they were raising two young daughters, he was working and still partying hard. He was getting heavier and heavier into drugs. And this soon rubbed off on Megan. I mean, Megan, up to that point, you know, she had partied as well.
But, you know, she was a little bit more recreational, you know, dabbling a little weed here and there, Nothing major, you know. But now Megan's going right for the meth. That's all it takes. Took that jump jump right into the meth that's. All it takes one time. Yep, and it wasn't long at all before it it developed into a full blown addiction and at this point both Darren and Megan were heavily addicted and became frequent users.
It was said that they were spending hundreds of dollars a day on meth, which is substantial considering that this is like the late 90s, early 2000. I know and most, most meth heads are buying like $10 vials basically, you know what I mean? They're not. They don't have cash like. That, yeah, they're going through a shit ton of fucking meth. So as the drug addiction progressed, both Darren and Megan got to the point of losing both their jobs.
And with no way to support their growing inspects, growing inexpensive drug habit, There we go. What do you think they did? Darren began starting to grow his own. Start. Start. Getting all the lab ready. You know, this way they could have a constant supply for both he and Megan, as well as, you know, steady income of from other meth users. You know, at this point, it was common for Megan and Darren to go on huge drug binges and
neglect the children. They would leave the house with the kids fucking at home, you know, whatever, just wander off and go do their fucking math. And they also started to become quite aggressive and verbally abusive towards each other. This verbal abuse and aggression played out continually in front of the children, but there's never been any proof that the violence was directed towards the children besides the
neglect. That's not really saying much, but you know, yeah, they're definitely talking about that's. Neglect is still child abuse. Oh, A. 100% Megan started developed some pretty severe mental health issues like severe anxiety, depression and as a side effect of anyone using meth. She also developed psychosis, paranoia and obsessive compulsive behavior.
Now before the drug use, Megan looked like a regular attractive young 20 something year old with vitality and life you know, but she pretty quickly decided to decline physically as well due to how heavy they are using. I was gonna say if if you're doing that hundreds of dollars meth a day, it's a that's the one drug that amazes me at how fast your physical it just drains open sores your eyes sink in it.
It's happened so fast too. Have you ever seen like when they take the the mug shots of meth heads over the years? It's like their first meth arrest and then like their 19th. It's just it's like 9 days. It looks like the Golem from Lord of the Rings. Fucking Walking Dead. Shit. Yeah. So she started to lose weight. She lost some of her teeth. Her hair started falling out. She also developed premature wrinkling in her face. You know, like we just talked
about. Now it it's speculated but not proven that Darren may have gotten physical with Megan, as she was regularly seen with black eyes and bruising. But I guess that can be another side effect. Of most meth heads have black eyes and bruises. Yeah, so who knows now? In 1996, Megan became pregnant again and just like the other two pregnancies. She keeps it completely to herself now with this third pregnancy and her being addicted to meth and the other
complications of her life. She continues to use math throughout this pregnancy. OK, Megan carried this baby to full term and no one was the wiser. She and Darren had friends over on this night and Megan excused herself from the group saying she wasn't feeling well and need to go lay down. She went upstairs into the bathroom and had the baby in the bathtub. But this time something was a little bit different. Garrett, more on that in a second. We're going to Fast forward here.
We're going to go back to April 12th, 2014. And now Megan is at the Pleasant View Police station being questioned by the detectives in regards to the baby in the box. Well, you know why we're here. What we're here to talk about. Just start at the beginning and and tell me what happened. Well, we were doing drugs a lot because that's why you've been in prison for. I got pregnant right before he left and I really didn't know 'cause I thought I was just
stress and stuff. He. Went to prison in 2006. Yeah. How far along were you in a couple of months? Where did you have to be? In the house, in the. House in the house that you and Darren described to me what happened? Well, I just had a lot of pain that day. I didn't go to work. My kids were at school and I went in the bathroom and just sat there and went. It's pushed really hard. And, you know, I was boy and wasn't crying and and I was by myself and I didn't know what to do and.
I couldn't get it to. Cry or anything? Then what happened? I got scared and I wrapped it up, beating up being smart and calling you guys and it's in shock and it was stupid of me to do it. What do you mean when you say you wrapped it up? Can. You make them do it. It was how the girls are doing. What? I put it in the box so you're on the toilet, you have the baby, you said you're trying to get it to break and what did you?
Do why did I try just to clean his mouth out and stuff and hey I couldn't feel a heartbeat or. Anything. OK, so you clean the baby's mouth out, try to go freeze, and then what? It passed out for a little bit. I think I lost a lot of wood. Then I managed. When my kids got home from school, I just told them I wasn't feeling them and then I cleaned myself up and I went and
got a box. And then as far as you know, unless someone else moved it, the baby's been in the box in the garage since that first year that Darren went to prison. Were you worried somebody else would find it when you guys were cleaning the garage? Yeah. And So what would you do to make sure that didn't happen? I just kind of slide it and like sweep around, you know, and then set stuff on it and you know, well, they knew that part was already clean stuff. What?
Would you have done differently looking back called the? Cops and told them that I had a baby and that I couldn't get to breathe and have the paramedic so come. No, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Let's hear it. So after she had her first two children. Yes. And she went to the doctor like, oh, yeah, by the way, I have here's these. I need birth certificates and Social Security numbers for these kids. Nobody was like hey, you can't do it like that.
Nobody like tried to like tell her I I'm. Sure they did. I'm sure they did. She just I don't know. I don't know if it was because, well, originally she was like, you know, we said she's extremely private. She's like very like to herself, I guess. But you know, so she was just like, well, if nobody knows I'm pregnant, then why should I say that I'm. Pregnant. I think as the detective, my first reaction would have been like, no, this lady killed her baby and then she's trying to
hide it or whatever. But knowing like the first two were born like that, which she's basically a midwife. She's like, I was cleaning out its mouth. I was doing everything I'd like. She was an expert. At this point, so now you know I. I truly believe her at this point that that it was a stillborn. OK, yes. Now with this, you know, everything seems well and good. It's like, all right, you know, she's being honest.
She's being forthcoming, accepting responsibility she missed amidst the baby stillborn, you know, and she just panicked. Understandable. I get it, OK, it happens. But let's not forget this one little detail. This is in regards to the baby born in 2006, right? Shortly after Darren went to prison. So what about this baby she had in the bathtub we were just talking about in 1996?
Now, during the interview with Megan, there's a knock at the door and the detective is asked to step out of the room. When he returns, he drops a bombshell. We have. Investigators in the house right now, they found a second baby. What the fuck tell? Me about that. Hey, there is there's more. Hey, I'm sorry I am here to everyone of. Them there's others how many I'm. Not insurance. I've done so many drugs and stuff during it all I can't even remember.
So how many do you think will we find in the garage 4? 4. They found four babies in. OK, she's admitting to four, all right. That's that's amazing. Yep. So now they found a second baby in a box, and Megan just admitted that there will be 4 babies found in this garage. OK, no more surprises. There's four in there, right? Yeah. OK, she maintains that all of the babies were either miscarriages or stillborn, but things just aren't adding up. Garrett.
There's something. There's something stranger. Sure, you panicked when your one baby was stillborn and instead of calling the paramedics or the police, you know you placed the baby in the box. OK, But 234? You went into the house in 2001. We moved in that house in 96. And so the first baby that was born in the house would have been in 1996, shortly. After he moved in, yeah. OK. The last one was right after he went to prison. Did you put all four in the
garage? Yeah. Did you keep them in the same place? In the garage? What? What did you? Right there. OK. And so all four boxes are in the same place. OK. I just want to be able to relay to the tech is what? They're going to find. And so all four children are in the cabinet in the garage? Yes. So you have the babies been in the garage the whole time? I never moved them or anything, but yeah, they've been in the garage the whole time. So we're talking eight years
ago. Yes. I mean, you told me earlier that that you put the boxes the with the babies in them in the cabinet. Yeah. Did you ever take them out of that cabinet? I imagine in the last nine years stuff been in and out of. The I did think so 'cause I was just there a month or so, go get in my bed and stuff out of there and I've seen it sitting there. You described you had the one in the tub that you filled the tub and had. Yeah, I'm sure. Yeah. Was was that baby a lag when it was born?
For a short time, what would you think if I had a baby in the house and just cry so I would hit, you know? Will you say you think of us for a short time? What was it moving? Did it start to breathe? No. I wasn't free. I could see Lil heartbeat in the sun. OK, for about how long? Not very long. Ago Did you kill the baby after Before. What we need is the truth is there. One of them. Which one here's? A reminder. No, I was just so scared. I was so I'm drugged so bad I choked it.
How did you choke it? Yeah. Do you think all four of these babies were alive when they were born? I'm pretty sure one of them wasn't and. Did you choke the others? Yes, I did. Dude, over a nine year period this woman was just popping out kids. That nobody. Nobody knew. About that, no one knew about popping them out and then she was drowning and choking and strangling them. Like this story is wild. Yep.
So now Megan, you know, she's she's admitted to murdering three of her babies while still, you know, she's adamant that the 4th one was, was stillborn. OK, now in regards to the baby born in 1996, after she gave birth to the baby in the bathtub, she said she put her thumbs on the baby's throat and pressed until the baby stopped breathing.
At that point, she wrapped the baby in towels and then put the baby in a garbage bag, rolled it up, wrapped it in more electrical tape and placed it in a box and covered that with electrical tape. All right. She then took the box downstairs into her garage and put the box amongst the other boxes that were labeled Christmas stuff. She then went back to the bathroom, cleaned it up, and went to bed like nothing ever fucking happened.
My my whole thing is like it sounds so mentally unstable to she's like keeping them too as keepsakes. Like that's something a a crazy person would do. Yes. It's not, I don't think. It's just the murdering aspect. I. It's the little. Postpartum little meth. Like trophies, the souvenirs kind of thing. I there's definitely some postpartum stuff going on there too. It's it's just strange. Yeah, or either that or. And she never tried to get rid of them either. Right.
Yeah, yeah. Like that in the crotch of those years. Yeah, Yep. So, So life carried on from Megan. You know, while Darren was none the wiser about the dead baby in the garage. The parties continued, the drug binges continued, and it isn't too long before, you guessed it, Megan finds herself pregnant once again. She again doesn't tell anyone and carries the baby the full term, repeating the exact same thing she did when she killed
the 1st baby. Now having the baby in secret, disposing the baby's body in the box and placing it in the garage. You know, now you're seeing like a pattern. So over the next 10 years, between the ages of 21 and 31, Megan repeated the same heinous crime over and over and over, repeatedly getting pregnant and giving birth on her own in secret, murdering the babies, wrapping them up, putting them in boxes, taping them shut and put them in the garage. All right.
Now, what's even more wild is that during this time of baby killing, Megan and Darren did have a third healthy child that escaped Megan's death grip ending 2000. And the only reason she survived was because Darren picked up on Megan's pregnancy in the ninth month. She had no choice but to keep the child because now Darren was like, oh, yeah, OK, you see, you're having another baby. Great. So now they have 33 healthy
daughters. So now Megan. Which is crazy that in the middle of a meth fuelled raid, A10 year meth binge, she was able to have a healthy child. So now Fast forward back to the the interrogation. Megan is now being questioned regarding the four dead babies in the garage. And just like any good infomercial, Garrett playing at 3:00 AM. Wait, there is more, hey. Megan, I'm I'm really happy with how far you come, but I'm concerned that they haven't told
me everything. How many do you think there possibly could be? Honestly, I don't know before I think I don't. Hey. They are up to five. They found five so far and. So now. Now that there's five, are you still pretty certain that one of them was dead when it was born, and so the other four were alive? There could be more, like I said, I can't remember a damn. Thing. How many do you think there would be? I I'd say eight or nine, so.
There could be eight or nine. Yeah, I. Could be, but I know there's no more in ground. It's like a baby and I know there's none in the house. I mean being small if they were in the house, right? Did the smell from the garage ever come in the house? So just the Elm crash? People said it was some smell. You know, we can knock heat in the summer. We have cats and stuff. And you know, and I just, I think it was always just. Planned on them. And if you're saying Darren never knew?
No, when I told you it's only me, I've kept this to myself for 18 years. So I'm the only person that you've ever told? Yes. Wild, wild, wild, wild. All right, so now she says there's could be eight or nine bodies of the babies in her garage. She has no idea. She doesn't know how many times she's gotten pregnant, how many babies. There are no more than nine, though. Guaranteed no more than 9. I'm I'm just trying to think of the logistics on this.
Like it's like every so she would give birth, get pregnant right after, carry a baby full term, kill it, put it in the garage, get pregnant again. Like it's just, it's wild. Yeah, like once a year at least. Yeah, Yep. So the police are searching the garage, and after extensive search of the home and of Megan's current address, authorities were able to find 7 babies in boxes, all of them in
the garage. Now, Megan admitted to killing six of the babies, but said that one of the babies was definitely born still born at full term, which is adamant about that. In one instance, she told the detective that she remembers that she had strangled one of the babies with her hair tie. Megan said that she was haunted by demons and her addictions, and she believed that she couldn't be a good mother to her
children, she claimed. In some small way, I wanted to help them avoid the terrible life I would have given them. I deprived my little babies of an opportunity at life. Megan was then subsequently charged with six counts of murder. She was held on $6 million bail, 1,000,000 per each murdered baby.
The state would not seek the death penalty because she had killed the babies between 1996 and 2006, which was just before the law in the state of Utah. That Chad changed the murder of a victim younger than 14 to a capital offence. They changed that in 2007, so they missed that bar a year. The judge that presided over her case was the same judge who had actually signed a search warrant on the date of the initial 911
call. He had said that he he hoped and prayed that he was not going to be assigned this one case because it would have been too much to fucking deal with. You know who who wants to fucking? Yeah, that's. You know, fucking. The same story. She told the investigators that she would hold the baby for no longer than a minute or two and then she would use her thumbs to press forward to block the airway and essentially strangling the baby.
She took a plea deal rather than going to trial and pled guilty to six counts of first degree felony murder. As part of the plea deal, the prosecutors did agree to recommend that the five years to life and prison sentence run concurrent, which means they all run at the same time. OK, the judge said fuck you and sentence her to life for each murder with three of the sentences running consecutively one after the other and the other charges running concurrent. So she what, got 600 years in?
Jail. Yeah, it's something fucking weird, but her first parole hearing won't be until April of 2064, when she will be 89 years old, so she's pretty much spending the rest of her fucking life in prison. Good. Fuck her. In the court, her three daughters read statements in support of their mother, all saying that she had always been the best mother. Yeah, despite the meth use and then the neglect and the abandonment. Other than that, she was great. Yeah.
Mother of the Year In addition to her healthy 3 alive daughters, Megan gave birth to five girls and two boys. Damn, that's a lot of kids. Six of the seven were alive anywhere from a few seconds after birth up to two minutes before being killed by their mother. DNA tests taken of all the babies proved that Darren was the father of each of them. Which is good. You know, she didn't wander off to any other methods.
Darren and his daughters had given names for each of the babies and gave them a proper burial. Which is good, you know, give them a, an official, you know, name. You know, it's funny when you first start hearing the story, you think Darren is gonna be up to something. No good. Yeah, it turned out to be the. He's the fucking the baby. Yeah, the baby spawning twisted mother on meth. Dude, he's got some fucking strong seed though. The fact that she could just hide baby after baby two is.
Impressive. Yeah, yeah. All right, so that'll do it for what's in the box by Criminal. I didn't think it was going to be 6 dead babies. Thank you again to Chris Owen for researching this story for us. Let us know what you all thought of this episode. Comment on Good Pods, Spotify or leave us a review on Apple Podcast. Thank you all for hanging out with us.
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