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Charting The Territories

A monthly look at wrestling's territorial era with a unique statistical bent, hosted by Al Getz and Jon Boucher
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Episodes

Aug '25: Bobby Shane, Baby!

This month's episode begins with some INCREDIBLE personal news from Jon Boucher! Then, he and Al Getz are joined by Chad Olson for the entire episode. The podcast delves into the first six years in the pro wrestling career of Bobby Shane. They also set up the big Gordon Solie's Championship Wrestling Trivia challenge for next month's final episode. And there's a twist!

Aug 14, 20252 hr 6 minEp. 76

Jul '25: The Clown Who Took a Duck and Became a Lord

This month, Al Getz and Jon Boucher discuss some of the little persons prevalent in pro wrestling in the early 1970s. They're joined by author David Gibb and focus on Lord Littlebrook, recapping his life and his journey from circus performer in England to the 'manager' of the premier troupe of little persons in the U.S. and Canada, with some humorous and salacious stories along the way. David also challenges Jon to a round of Gordon Solie's Championship Wrestling Trivia.

Jul 10, 20251 hr 40 minEp. 75

Jun '25: Sisters Are Doin' It For Themselves

This month's podcast begins with an announcement from Al Getz about the future of Charting the Territories. Then, Al and Jon Boucher talk about women's wrestling in the early 1970s, going over many of the notable ladies who graced wrestling rings at the time, with a focus on Kansas-based Betty Niccoli.

Jun 12, 20251 hr 33 minEp. 74

May '25: Beneath the Glitter and Gleam

This month Al & Jon look at the early pro wrestling career of "Superstar" Billy Graham, from his earliest documented matches in Stampede to his time in Southern California and then all the way to Japan, it a look at THE Superstar before he was A superstar.

May 08, 20252 hr 12 minEp. 73

Apr '25: April Hammers Bring May Valentines

This month, Al Getz and Jon Boucher look at some of the early stops in the career of Greg Valentine, charting his path in the early 1970s on his way to stardom. Plus, Jon Plays Gordon Solie's Championship Wrestling against "The King of Old School" STEVE CORINO!

Apr 10, 20251 hr 48 minEp. 72

Mar '25: Hangin' with Hangman Bobby Jaggers

This month, Al Getz and Jon Boucher look at the life and wrestling career of "Hangman" Bobby Jaggers, They focus on his runs in the Gulas territory, Western States (Amarillo), and Northern California (Shire) in 1974-75. He might be the only person in history ever to work for Nabisco and with (Larry) Zbyszko. Plus Jon Plays Gordon Solie's Championship Wrestling Trivia against ChatGPT (is Jon smarter than a computah, daddy?) and all our regular features.

Mar 13, 20251 hr 51 minEp. 71

Feb '25: Hans Across America

This month, Al Getz and Jon Boucher look at two wrestlers who found great success in the territorial era as foreign heels named Hans. First, they look at Hans Mortier, focusing on his '69-'70 run in East Texas as Lord Charles Montague. Then, they look at Hans Schmidt and his many documented challenges for the NWA World Heavyweight title between 1952 and 1970. Plus, Jon plays Gordon Solie's Championship Wrestling Trivia against his first non-human challenger (?) and all the regular features....

Feb 13, 20252 hr 27 minEp. 70

Jan '25: Two Butchers and a Boucher

This month, Al Getz and Jon Boucher look at Abdullah the Butcher and Paul "Butcher" Vachon, focusing on the territories they wrestled for in 1970 and 1971. ThIs leads to a discussion of the Montreal wrestling war that began in '71. Plus, Jon Plays Gordon Solie's Championship Wrestling Trivia against a very surprising opponent. Plus lots more!

Jan 09, 20252 hr 8 minEp. 69

Dec '24: The Selbyville Screwjob

This month Al Getz and Jon Boucher look at the WWWF in 1971, including one of the most shocking title changes in wrestling history! They discuss the circumstances around Ivan Koloff defeating Bruno Sammartino, plus some of the other big stories in the promotion during the year. Jon also faces Mike Sempervive in the biggest Gordon Solie's Championship Wrestling Trivia battle to date; it's the year-end spectacular, the grandaddy of 'em all, it's CHARRTCADE!

Dec 12, 20242 hr 17 minEp. 68

Nov '24: Geeto Take the Wheel

This month Al Getz and Jon Boucher discuss the Pittsburgh wrestling territory in 1971, including a look at Newton Tattrie, who purchased the promotion from Bruno Sammartino in '71.. They also look at the roster, the towns they ran, the biggest feuds, and a lot more about the territory and how it operated. Plus a Gordon Solie's Championship Wrestling Trivia showdown between past winners Chad Olson and Mike Sempervivie, with the winner to face Jon next month!

Nov 14, 20242 hr 5 minEp. 67

Oct '24: All the Little Chicks With the Crimson Lips

This month Al Getz and Jon Boucher discuss the NWF (Cleveland/Buffalo) wrestling promotion in 1971, including deeper looks into the lives of Luis Martinez and Java Ruuk (Johnny Rodz). Plus Jon buys Al some Bobby Shane memorabilia off eBay, and competes against Mike Sempervive in Gordon Solie's Championship Wrestling Trivia!

Oct 10, 20241 hr 36 minEp. 66

Sep '24: For some strange reason it had to be, it was all a dream about Tennessee

This month Al Getz and Jon Boucher look at the Gulas-Welch territory in 1971 operating in Tennessee, Alabama, Kentucky, and the surrounding areas.. They look at the lives (and police blotters!) of Big Bad John and Tojo Yamamoto, plus Jon is challenged by noted wrestling author Ian Douglass in a round of Gordon Solie's Championship Wrestling Trivia.

Sep 12, 20241 hr 59 minEp. 65

Aug '24: Waterloo, couldn't escape if I wanted to; Blue skies of Hawaii smile

This month Al Getz and Jon Boucher look at pro wrestling in Hawaii in 1971, and discuss their time in Waterloo IA at the Tragos/Thesz Hall of Fame Induction weekend, where Al received the Jim Melby Award. From Mad Dog Mayne to Sammy Steamboat to "The Gladiator" Ricky Hunter, they discuss many of the wrestlers who spent 1971 on the island, plus all the regular features including a Gordon Solie's Championship Wrestling Trivia battle that goes down to the last second!

Aug 08, 20241 hr 39 minEp. 64

Jul '24: Born and Raised in South Detroit

This month Al and Jon look at The Sheik's Big Time Wrestling in 1971, based in Detroit. Running down not only Sheik and Bobo but all the other wrestlers who competed in the area, including The Stomper (Guy Mitchell aka Jerry Valiant) and George "Crybaby" Cannon. Jon plays Gordon Solie's Championship Wrestling Trivia against this month's challenger, Roy Lucier, plus lots more!

Jul 11, 20241 hr 52 minEp. 63

Jun '24: These People Are Like Nothing I've Ever Seen Before

This month Al and Jon look at East Tennessee in 1971, including the Knoxville and the Tri-Cities promotions. Al offers up his personal experiences as a wrestling manager in the region, plus they discuss Ron Wright and Whitey Caldwell. Jon plays Gordon Solie's Championship Wrestling Trivia against this month's challenger, from Ring of Honor, Ian Riccaboni, plus lots more!

Jun 13, 20241 hr 50 minEp. 62

May '24: Water, Building, and Sin; Big Oregon City Draws You In

This month Al and Jon look at the Pacific Northwest in 1971. Dutch Savage, Beauregarde (with the "e"), Moose Morowski, and more. We also hear about the 2024 Tragos/Thesz Hall of Fame induction weekend from Chad Olson, this month's trivia challenger. Plus airport shirts, cartwheel champions, famous people named Sam from Kingfisher OK, and lots more!

May 09, 20241 hr 48 minEp. 61

Apr '24: Smokin' Cigarettes and Watchin' the Fabulous Kangaroos

This month Al and Jon look at the Indianapolis-based WWA in 1971, plus talk about their "turf war" for Detroit with The Sheik. Also, Jon goes for six wins in a row at Gordon Solie's Championship Wrestling Trivia, Al interviews Brad Balukjian about his new book The Six Pack: On the Open Road in Search of WrestleMania, and tons more!

Apr 11, 20242 hr 6 minEp. 60

Mar '24: Boucher, Goulet, Tillet

This month Al and Jon look at Championship Wrestling from Florida in 1971. They run down the roster and discuss Louie Tillet and Rene Goulet. Jon also faces a challenge from John McAdam in this month's Jon Plays Gordon Solie's Championship Wrestling Trivia. They also discuss Ole Anderson and compare Ole's reputation as a booker to that of Tillet, plus Al discusses ways to 'measure' which towns in a territory have stronger lineups. All this and lots more!

Mar 15, 20242 hr 3 minEp. 59

Feb '24: The Ladies' Pet and Men's Regret, plus A Real-Life Vet

This month's episode looks at Sam Muchnick's wrestling promotion in St. Louis in 1971. Is it or isn't it a territory? What's a territory? Al and Jon run down the roster, shining the spotlight on Dr. Big Bill Miller and Sweet Daddy Siki. Plus Jon Plays Gordon Solie's Championship Wrestling Trivia against a new challenger. All this and lots more!

Feb 08, 20241 hr 36 minEp. 58

Jan '24: Take Me to My City By the Bay

This month's episode starts with some late-breaking news regarding the Tragos/Thesz Hall of Fame. From there, Al and Jon talk about Roy Shire's Big Time Wrestling promotion in 1971. Pat Patterson and Ray Stevens are heavily featured, plus they run down the rest of the roster, which also included Pampero Firpo and Roger Kirby. From there, Jon is challenged to a round of Gordon Solie's Championship Wrestling Trivia by Kris Zellner. All this and lots more!

Jan 11, 20241 hr 39 minEp. 57

Dec '23: Herc, Bock, and a new book

This month, Al Getz & Jon Boucher look at the AWA in 1971. Among the topics are a look into the life and tragic death of Hercules Cortez and the slow rise up the cards of Nick Bockwinkel. Plus all the regular features and a new challenger for Jon Plays Gordon Solie's Championship Wrestling Trivia!

Dec 14, 20231 hr 28 minEp. 56

Nov '23: Take Off to the Great White North

This month, Al Getz & Jon Boucher look at wrestling in Vancouver in 1971. Running down the full roster and discussing questions regarding Steven Little Bear's real name. It's also the debut of the version of Jon Plays Gordon Solie's Championship Wrestling Trivia, where Jon competes against a different challenger every month!

Nov 09, 20231 hr 29 minEp. 55

Oct '23: They Were All in Love with Rasslin', They Were Doing It in Texas

This month, Al Getz & Jon Boucher look at wrestling in East Texas in 1971. They look at the differences in how Fritz, Blanchard, & Boesch ran their towns using the same crew of wrestlers. They also look at all the wrestlers who appeared in the area and take a closer look at Pepper Gomez. Plus a SHOCKING TWIST at the end of this month's trivia segment.

Oct 12, 20231 hr 48 minEp. 54

Sep '23: Cowboys, Kings, and Hippies

This month, Al Getz & Jon Boucher look at Gulf Coast Championship Wrestling in 1971. They talk about Bobby Shane's big (but brief) run there, the first time he worked as a heel. And they dig into the life of "Hippie" Mike Boyette, one of the more colorful characters in a line of work filled with colorful characters.

Sep 14, 20231 hr 46 minEp. 53

Charting the Territories Aug '23: Powder Blue Tux

This month, Al Getz & Jon Boucher look at Mike LeBell's Southern California wrestling territory in 1971. They look at the reported attendance/gate figures for the August 27th Blassie-Tolos card at the Coliseum as well as two other large L.A. crowds over the years, using multiple sources to verify and/or debunk them.

Aug 10, 20232 hr 6 minEp. 52

Charting the Territories Jul '23: The Freight Train and the Furious

This month, Al Getz & Jon Boucher look at Heart of America (aka Central States) in 1971. They discuss various sources of attendance figures for the territory and how best to make sense of info that comes from various sources and doesn't always match up. Plus Al compares Rufus R. Jones to Vin Diesel!

Jul 13, 20231 hr 27 minEp. 51

Charting the Territories May '23: "I Punched His Head Out of Shape"

This month Al Getz & Jon Boucher look at Joe Dusek's wrestling territory in 1971. No one can stop the Claw, the untimely death of Alberto Torres, an unwrapped Mummy, a dressing room fight involving Dusek and a wrestler, and tons more!

May 11, 20231 hr 33 minEp. 49
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