Episode 150 - CDL303 Mountain Driving Mastery

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What's up jfw family welcome back to the channel 23 podcast the purpose of this podcast is to reach out and touch the fleet to engage and inform everyone with all things jfw we got a packed house today we got our normal podcasters the brothers jim and dave white super dave myself and then we have scott is it mara yeah mara is fine mara and joe trussell from cdl 303 welcome Welcome to the studio, guys. Thank you. Thanks for joining us. Yeah, welcome, guys. Morning,

everybody. Happy to be here. Thank you. This is Truck Driver Appreciation Week, so happy Truck Driver Appreciation Week, everybody. We're going to kick it off with the pledge. We're going to do something a little different today. Here we go. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, one government. Under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Music.

All right. Nice. I can't believe you're here. Good old John Wayne, right? A little bit of goosebumps there. Can't get more American. I wonder what year that was. Right? I wonder when he did that. All right. Father God, we thank you for the opportunity to go out and do some trucking today. We pray for the safety of our fleet, all their families, and all the other families and individuals we come across on the road today. We pray for patience and making good, safe decisions.

We pray to be accident-free and that we all make it back to the comfort of our homes this evening. We pray for healing and 100% recovery for all of our family members that are ill. No matter what, we trust you, God, and it's in Jesus' name we pray. Amen. Amen. man as a reminder anything you hear on today's podcast is not the opinion of jfws or cdl 303s it's just our expressed opinions mixed with some facts some are unchecked but whatever.

I'm taking these guys's test there's a lot of facts yeah that was a fact filled course it was it was some of it saddening saddening oh yeah oh yeah absolutely but what a perfect i mean people to have on with the Driver Appreciation Week, a little bit of education along with appreciation. Absolutely. I agree 100%. Episode 149 at 274 downloads. We are at 81.1 thousand total downloads and our followers keep going up. We have 631 followers.

Hopefully Joe and Scott are two of the new followers. I don't know. We'll convince them by the end of it.

Headlock before you leave these numbers are gonna double after we're on here we're gonna get the cdl 303 bump popularity train i think our highest episode was were we just shy of a thousand with uh joe yeah yeah uh no wait oh yeah with eric eric easy yeah yeah i think paco's in the number one spot now is he yeah nice yep so well guys it's time for the dad joke challenge. I did kind of make a deal. Donuts for dad jokes. So hopefully we got some good dad jokes here. Joe, we'll start with you.

All right. I'll throw this one at you. Did you hear about the guy who showed up at the emergency room with 10 little plastic horses shoved up his butt? Nope, definitely didn't hear about that. I have, but I'm not going to steal your thunder. Doctors describe his condition as stable. That's a good one. All right, well, you set the tone for the podcast. There's no holding back.

What do you got, Scott? got mine's a little bit more maybe philosophical i thought of this months ago what is the source of homelessness and mine was they lost their username and passwords. Soup what do you got i was gonna say mental illness but i lost my username and passwords i would be lost right so what do you call two monkeys Yankees sharing an Amazon account. Primates. Primates. Nailed it. Good one. Did you guys hear what one toilet said to the other? No. You look flushed.

Man, you guys are killing it. I don't even know if mine will compare here. All right. Three golf clubs walk into a bar. The putter ordered a beer. The pitching wedge ordered a gin and tonic. The bartender asked the third one if he wanted anything. He replied, no thanks, I'm the driver. That's good. I can see my daughters cringing with all these guys. Right? Are those actual dad jokes? How old are your daughters, Joe? My daughters are 18 and 21. Two CU buffs.

Oh, okay. Wow. Nice. That's why we need to sell this course. So I got two jokes. One of them is from my daughter Bella, but the other one is from my buddy Timmy in North Carolina. He said, what do you do with an elephant or what do you give an elephant with diarrhea? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Lots of room. And then this one's from Bella, my 10 year old. It's a really good joke. I couldn't believe she told it. She says, all right. So there's a Passover church and he tells his congregation, I got good news

and I got bad news. What do you want first? The people say we want to hear the good news. He's like, all right. The good news is, is I've been praying about it and I've been praying about it. I've been praying about it. We're buying a bigger church. We're We're moving. You know, we looked at the numbers. Everything's going to work out. It's going to be great. So the congregation, you know, praise God. Amen. This is great. Well, what's the bad news, Pastor?

He's like, well, all the money's still in your pockets. It's a good one. I'm like, where did you hear that? She's like, Caleb. She's sitting there telling the joke like this.

That's Joe Caleb. All right. New employees, we got Joe Tiscarino and Jason Cantu is a new mechanic in the shop. So he's on the night crew and welcome to the fleet, Joe, as well. Yeah, welcome everybody. We haven't had a new mechanic start since... Sergio. Oh yeah, Sergio was probably the last one. Was Sergio here before? No, he was here after Malcolm. Okay, gotcha. For sure. All right. You're thinking Teddy. Teddy would be the newest.

Yeah, and then with the night mechanics, hopefully Jason gets the word to listen to this. I mean, I hope he's not left out or doesn't know anything about the podcast or anything like that. I mean, hopefully the orientation grabbed him. He seems pretty personable. When I see him tonight, I will tell him about the podcast, and then he got a shout-out. Everybody likes to hear a shout-out. Right. Good way to start. Absolutely.

Speaking of the mechanics and anniversaries, Matt Gale Jr. one year on 9-11. Bob Mardian hit four years this past Sunday. Oh, boy. Jim White, 42 years today. Man, I didn't see that got snuck in there. And then Steve Barnes. Steve Barnes hits two years tomorrow. Happy anniversary, everybody. Yeah, happy anniversary. 42 years. That's nuts. Birthdays. We missed Benny Gonzalez last week on 9-11. I missed Matt Gell's anniversary, too.

I have to look at these spreadsheets. jesse radaba his birthday is today and then emilio camacho has a birthday on friday happy birthday happy birthday yeah that that's thinking about that i don't think real anybody realizes how many stats we actually keep jam the the anniversaries the the you know the new hires all the different stuff the the family members there's a lot in a lot of spreadsheets yes it's a lot absolutely you know it used to be easy to look out on bamboo and now it's like you

got to jump through 15 hoops to find out anything on paycom the curse the curse of paycom yeah i mean i struggle just to sign on i mean i find it we haven't been off paycom in a while right feels good all right family birthday celebrations we got marina calzada turned four on monday by the way her brother elias so this is jose calzada's children he was two last week i said he was eight so all right he called us out at the fuel pump he looks older than he really is.

He's just mature small for his age i told him don't worry time flies he'll be before you know it, a reagan courier dustin's daughter she turned 11 on monday as well manny and kim's daughter alicia turned one yesterday oh i heard i missed paco and his family stopping by with the baby yeah yeah Oh, man. Boy, they were all glowing, all three of them. I bet. And then Athena Gonzalez, that's going to be Benny's daughter. She turns eight on Friday.

So happy birthday. Happy birthday. Yep. And then Beth Martin and Bob's wife sent us a very nice thank you card for acknowledging Bob's better half. She made that very clear in the card. So thank you for the thank you, Beth. Yep. It was a nice thank you card. Yeah. That's cool. Shout out. So I want to give a shout out to Chris Moore.

I've been wanting to do this for a few weeks. If you guys don't know, our night Coors drivers, because Coors has been a little slow, they've been fueling trucks up at night. So, you know, if you came in, you left your truck empty last night and then it was fueled up the next day, it's because Chris Moore fueled it or Jason. But Chris Moore took it a step above and beyond and he's changed a few mud flaps out.

You know, he's looking at your mud flaps and if it needs to be changed, he's taking care of that. So that's my shout out for the week. That's awesome. Yep. You guys have any shout outs? I wanted to bring up, might be a little corny, but since the guys are sitting here with us this morning, Scott and Joe, and then how does it work, Road Aware Safety, that's the partners you guys have? Correct, Arizona. Yeah, okay. And we'll get into it, you guys, and get to talking about it.

But I wanted to give a shout out because like we were just talking before we started the podcast, there isn't any mountain training really to speak of. And you guys have taken that on. And in our industry, we appreciate that. And hopefully from our podcast, we get this across, but it's all about being better and a better driver and a better person. And, and this, there's some good points in there and I enjoyed the training. So I just wanted to throw out. Thank you guys. Thank you.

We appreciate it. I'll probably thank you a few more times, but you know, it took a few weeks to get it figured out. No big deal, but you know, I'm sure your partner in Arizona is a great guy, but we wanted the local commerce city guys. Yeah. So appreciate you coming on, you know. Thanks for having me. Yeah. Should be, should be great. Any other shout outs? Sue? Don't like nobody. Yep. Nobody. I'm going to throw a shout out to Al Fry Jr. Hopefully you listened to this one, Al.

I saw our, you know, when he was a guest on our podcast, he brought a bunch of Al Fry glamour stuff. And I love those rocks. I think we had one in here, unless that's the one in your office, Jim. When I saw it yesterday, I just, I was like, gosh, I haven't talked to Al in ages. So I snapped a picture of it and sent him a text said, Hey, just saw this and thinking to you and your family, hope you're doing well.

And he just replied back so poignant. I mean, he's just such a well-spoken guy and, you know, it just, it was great to chat with him just a little bit via text. So shout out to you, Al. Glad to, glad to hear everybody's doing well and things are good. So 100%. Yep. All right. Joe, Scott, you got any shout outs for anybody, your family, your kids, anybody that might. Well, my younger daughter celebrated her 18th birthday last week. Happy birthday. Happy birthday.

Up at CU, took her up there about three weeks ago, adjusting to being an empty nester, which, you know, the, I won't go into too much detail because I can talk about it all day, but the, the kind of the sadness and apprehension about my daughter leaving, my second daughter leaving even to go to college is completely counterbalanced by how excited she was. I mean, just a different person dropped her off that dorm.

And she looked at me like, so I'm going to stay here and you're, and I said, yeah, she said, and that's how it's going to be. And I said, that's how it's going to be. That's awesome. Good stuff right there. Yeah. That's life right there. Yeah. Get used to it, Joe. It's great. Yeah, Super Dave has two daughters also that are older now, grandkids, all sorts of stuff. But over the last 30 years, we've all grown together, haven't we, Dave? Yeah, we sure have. Nice.

All right, getting into the discussion and just a couple of house cleaning items, and then we'll move on. We've been having a slew of mirror strikes, I want to say, in the past six months. I'd say in the past six years, hasn't really been an issue. And I'd say in the last six months, we've probably had five mirror strikes.

Just so you know not that it's about money you know safety first right we don't want anybody to get hurt but even the chrome back cover on a kenworth is 800 bucks and that's just for the chrome plastic piece on the back to get 854 dollars for that. You know, some of the mirror strikes have not been our fault. A few of them have been our fault. So keep in mind, it'll stick out further than your truck. I don't know how else to put it. Right. Are those the heated version?

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Those are spendy. Yeah. And the new mirrors that are in the Peterbilt, we got these new fancy mirrors. Only one of the trucks have them now, but they have cameras in them. And then there's actual video screens on your A-pillars inside the truck. So don't know how much those will cost if you smack one of those. Oh, my gosh. Breaking that camera at the bottom. Oh, yeah. And how long it would take to get a replacement, or do they even have replacements?

Yes, right. The in-stock kind of thing. No pressure, Rosario. Well, we've got seven more coming. Yeah, the last seven trucks will have them. Right. Okay. Hey, on any of that film, do you guys remember? Because I thought a couple of them were in construction areas where the roads narrowed up. Could be. I remember some concrete barriers set up. I mean, what is the reason for it? Anybody got any?

Well, lack of space, obviously, right? The most recent one, the other truck, it was an LV Lightning truck. Lightning? Lightning. Lightning Ventures. Yeah, Lightning Ventures. His tires were on a solid white line, and we tried to pass him in the turn lane. Just don't fit, and we didn't stop. Just don't fit. I mean, speed. Speed. Speed is a reason because if you're going slower, you would stop. Yeah. You know? In the turn lane or in the construction zone?

Our driver was going to make a left, so he was in the turn lane. LV was on the white line in the left lane. Stopped. Stopped, yeah, at a red light. Yeah, there's that. Last week, we talked about getting out of your truck and comparing the material you have in your truck, in your trailer, to the material in the pile that you're dumping. And it seemed like we had a couple issues this week, even after the podcast last week.

So, if you don't know what you're hauling or, I don't know, how you double check, you know, lightweight versus pea gravel or, you know, river rock versus crushed rock.

You know if you're not sure just check twice it'll save us a lot of headaches yeah and i think we got some feedback on the one yesterday that that's where you know the driver was told to dump and you still have to take that responsibility if the two materials don't match don't dump right you know just don't go up that's where they told me i'm done you know that's not bringing any value to the customer or value to your the job you're doing and we gotta i mean that this is,

we've done it a lot recently and it's just plain stupid right i mean we can't we we can't do it it just embarrasses me and i know i know brandon i announced it on the radio this morning they made us pick up the material and pay for the load right and usually they let it slide and they they're done they're tired yeah if they could salvage salvage it sometimes they will you know if there's a little sand in a rock you know that's salvageable

but yeah if you got yeah The thing is, we contaminated two materials by doing that.

So we delivered 25, but we hauled off 31. Gotcha. So, yeah. Expensive mistake. It cost us a load and then some. Right. Yeah, and the driver's time and the embarrassment. And again, we're not bringing any satisfaction to the customer. That's what bothers me the most. Sure. Is that. Customer service. Yeah, all we have is a service. We tell everybody that. And here we are, you know, screwing the service up. It's just, it doesn't work.

That's our creed. Yep. And then the, you know, along to go, to go along with that, you know, not reading the dispatches and checking your, whether it be XBE or Artoro or, you know, putting it all together. You know, the same thing is, you know, this morning, I think we hauled out a Wallstrom and we're supposed to be hauling out a Young's Ranch and it was just one truck that pulled the load.

But when you're the only truck out of 110 trucks, and I know not all 110 go to Wallstrom, I'm making that a point, but there's probably other loads should be coming out of that quarry. And when you're the only truck, something's wrong. You didn't beat all our trucks up there. Where's all my friends at?

Exactly. exactly yeah no friends no party right yeah so come on you guys we gotta we just lately we have to do better yeah i'll i'll fess up and mess up my very first load after super dave cut me loose back in 2013 i uh hauled sand to central but i delivered it to the concrete plant.

And we didn't asphalt yeah it was supposed to go to the asphalt yeah yeah i delivered it to the concrete plant and there was a bunch of other trucks i was the only jfw truck, over there and it was a pretty bad mistake did it dawn on you though did you dump it i dumped it oh okay somebody's like you sure that goes there yeah central. We did have a guy that did that all day one day and then turned in the tickets. You guys remember that? Yeah.

I don't think they paid us for it. I can't remember, but for like five loads. Yeah. Yeah. No, we didn't get paid, Dave. I remember that one. Yeah. All right. We got some construction going on at Plant 12. There's only one lane in and one lane out. Super important that we communicate going in and out of there. Announce yourself on the radio. It's kind of like if you're going against the grain here.

You know, if you're coming in or if you're leaving the yard in the afternoon, you're announcing, you know, truck leaving the south entrance or, you know, if you're coming in in the morning, you're saying coming in the south entrance, just communicate so we don't get bottlenecked up over there because that would be bad to start making that turn and get caught just blocking, you know, northbound chambers. Yeah.

Oh, for sure, Jam. But it's not just us coming in and out. It's all the mixers. Oh, yeah. We don't have any communication with them. So it's got to be a visual decision between the two of you, whoever's sitting there. And, you know, my suggestion is if you're coming out, take control of the situation, make eye contact with that truck coming in, either wave them in or make it clear you're coming out, you know? I mean, make that visual communication piece is key.

Agreed. Yeah. The art of the wave. Yeah. Without what, who was on the, the traffic guy, Jason Luber, you know, he, he, the art of the wave, right. His big pet peeve was the art of the wave. We've lost that, you know? Well, I have to agree with that, Jim, you know, remember back in the day you'd pass every single end dump and they would wave. And now they don't. Occasionally we'll get away from a Calabrese guy because

we're passing in the canyon, you know, but it's definitely gone down a different road these days. Yeah. Yeah. The CBUs as well. CBs too. Yeah. As far as intercompany. Yeah. Just a quick, you're looking good back that way. You know, that sort of thing. None of that. Yeah. Isn't it funny? Our culture screams for more diversity and, you know, all these other groups and, and I don't know, walks of life and all this other stuff.

But we've lost the the art of the wave how how is that possible that you've you've lost something of being friendly but you're supposed to be more friendly or the finger right they just identify that they're waving. They're too busy texting so yeah no doubt and i think actually that has contributed to to the lost art is it's all of a, a cell phone society. Now it's not interactive anymore physically or good point. It's like, they'd rather just shoot a text, right? Good point.

Why are you guys texting each other? You're sitting right next to each other.

All right. This is driver appreciation week. We are pretty excited here. JFW. We are doing five raffles every day, five giveaways. I should say the winners from, the 16th was Pedro Sotelo, Uriel Salas, I know he came and got his gift, Gilly Rodriguez, Matt Cummins, and Evaristo Rosales. So if any of you have not been by the main yard yet to come pick up your prize, please do so, or perhaps we'll send it over to you. Yesterday's winners was...

Uriel Molina, so I could just put two and two together. If your name is Uriel, you're going to win. Right. Nelson Rivera, Shane Fredrickson, Sergio Portillo, and Richard Trujillo were all yesterday's winners. Nice. Come up to the dispatch office and claim your prize. Yeah, congratulations. Yep. This Friday, we're going to give out our cups and shirts. If you've never got a JFW cup, they're pretty fancy.

I like them. Could always use some new shirts. And then there was a survey monkey sent out by Flood and Peterson for benefits. Make sure you check your junk mail because we're going to do a raffle of the names that take the survey and give out gift cards. Pretty sure those will be what? Amazon gift cards? Who doesn't love that? You and your primates. It is important to fill out so we know what benefits you want and what you need help with benefits for and Paycom.

Any other suggestions you may have. Libby will send out a reminder at the end of the week. And again next week but we believe the deadline will be 9 27 so yeah and please do the survey when you get it and like jam said check your junk mail but you know the the questions we all reviewed the questions they're pretty poignant as far as getting to what we can do to help you and what how you feel about our health insurance and i think that's an important piece you know we change.

Year to year because of price one at one point we'd really like to stick with the same i'm going to call it a vendor with signa there because they offer you know good care and i i think the nice program has been popular also you know but that's that's a cost of you know forty dollars per person are we getting the bang for our buck out of that so please when you get the survey fill it out let's let's get your opinion yeah i mean my personal opinion is insurance we've had this year has

been better than last year yeah yeah kaiser just i mean not to dog kaiser but that's a if you're not an advocate for yourself you can't get through the kaiser system kaiser's rough yeah i mean you you have to you have to know the system helpful if you know it have you guys seen any numbers yet from signa does no that that last meeting so still no numbers no i guess that wasn't that long ago that we met, so. Yeah, yeah. And it, I mean, I guess we'll call it three, three quarters through the year.

So we need that last little bit to get some decent numbers. And, and I know we've, cause we've talked about it on the podcast. Some of our, our teammates have had serious health issues and those are, those are driving some of the numbers, but we've got some successes with those, with those problems. Sure. The NICE program has really bit into the costs of the insurance. Sure. Right. Some of the care in that. That's what it was for, and it worked great.

Remember, nice is free for the driver. For the driver. For the employees. Yes, for the employees. And their families. Yeah, I mentioned the $40. That's our cost. Out of pocket. Yeah, out of pocket. But I think we've gotten a great bang for our buck, basically. Yeah. Yeah, I just love seeing people make their appointments and come up here for their appointment right here in this room. Right. Yeah. It's good. Yeah, we joke about it, but you might not want to know what's been on this table.

Not where the donuts are. It's the other part of that table.

So all right that's a good donut all right so as we said we got scott and joe from cdl 303 we found out about these guys from one of our drivers dustin curria he saw the piece you guys were on in regard to the truck coming through i-70 recently that lost his load of pipe and killed the family going the opposite direction he was like oh man these guys they're like us say you know they want more mountain training you should try to see if you can get them on the podcast so here we are we could tell

instantly you guys are passionate about truck safety i'm curious where does this passion come from and what is your mission for cdl 303 well my passion comes from after my basic education and the lack of you know specialized mount training and then also having a daughter of 17 and a senior over there at northfield high school and all of her buddies going up skiing on the weekends And we just had another accident there in Glenwood Canyon. Guy rolled it off on the lower deck.

It's unacceptable, you know? So that's where my passion comes from is having my daughter on the road. I agree. And having the CDL now and being able to call these guys out on the fly, you know? And knowing that they're not being safe drives me insane. Yeah, I think we have an opportunity. I mean, it's everybody's responsibility on the highway to be safe, but I can't do anything about a guy in an Acura brake checking a semi, which you see all the time. And I think, what are you doing?

But what we can affect is our industry. We have an opportunity here to actually save lives. We can have a direct effect on people getting home safe to their families every night. And I can think of no higher calling. I just think that. All things being equal, if you're in a business where you're put in a position where you can save somebody's life, you got to do it. Why wouldn't you, right? Exactly. And the way, to Scott's point, the fact that there is no other specialized

mountain training. We call it grad school for truckers. These are, especially within the state, we have a lot of really experienced guys who know what they're doing in the mountains. mountains, 65 to 70% of the accidents on the I-70 corridor are caused by out-of-state drivers. I just tried to look that number up. That's what I was doing on my phone. I knew it was a very large number.

Yeah. I was at the regional safety rendezvous up in Blackhawk in July and Captain John Hahn from state police was there and he threw out a bunch of numbers, a bunch of different stats, But that one really struck me.

You know, I mean, the state troopers talk all the time about being in the middle of the blizzard, you know, up in the mountains and these guys jump out of their trucks and flip flops and Hawaiian shirts. Right. With no chains and no idea how to put them on anyway. So our outreach is not only to the local fleets where we think we can kind of spearhead this effort, but also to the fleets in the flatlands because that's where a lot of this comes from.

So I just, you know, we were talking earlier, I came from a career in finance and risk management before I started with Scott. And in that career, you never saw, or I never saw direct impact of what I was doing. And it drove me crazy. And in this career, like I said, we have a chance to actually save lives. And I mean, you ask me what my passion is, it's pretty simple. It's nice to have that goal. Yeah. It's great.

Yeah, if you think about it, sorry, Jim, every time we jump in a truck, I mean, you may not look at it as like, wow, we're doing a pre-trip, saving a life today. But every time we jump in that truck, if you're doing it the right way, you are essentially saving lives. Absolutely. Great outlook on it. And correct me if I'm wrong, Joe or Scott, off the test I just took, 2.7 driver deaths per day, right? Correct. Is what it was. So, I mean, let that sink in, you guys.

2.7 drivers, and there was more deaths, but this is just drivers, die per day in the United States. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I mean, that's three people a day. I can't imagine that. Yeah, the numbers are off the charts. Yeah. Yeah. Two and a half times more likely to die behind the wheel of a truck than in law enforcement. Exactly. Exactly. And I wrote that down, Joe. Why? That was one of my notes. Do you guys, with all you've done, why?

Well, one of the stats that really jumps out to me is that most of the semi-truck crashes in the United States are single vehicle accidents that result in fatalities. Rollover accidents in semi-trucks are the highest fatality rate of any, and that goes back to speed and negotiating curves and negotiating these difficult geometries and mountains and construction zones, stuff like that. So, you know, while we need buy-in from the passenger car side,

the responsibility lies with the truckers, with the drivers. It really does. Yeah, that just, I mean, we, I mean, you guys probably don't know much about us, but. We train and we train and we train and we feel like we over-train and then we're, you know, sometimes we're thinking, okay, we fed these guys with a fire hose.

How much information are they missing? You know, but everything you're talking about and going back through that, I mean, I know I just celebrated my anniversary of 42 years and I don't want to brag, but I feel like I should have a pretty good grip on what I'm doing.

Doing and still from the test i took i learned three or four new things things i never never thought about it's great and and i was like that that's a good test yeah that's very rewarding for us i mean the first thing i teach in the basic class a is you guys got to create a barrier between your regular car driving and your truck driving if you start blending those two you're going to get at the end of an 11 hour day you're going to roll that trail over the front of someone's hood

you know you gotta have a barrier between the two you can't blend them no scott and we talk a lot because our our trucks have become so advanced between the disc brakes the engine brakes you know the automatic transmissions they newer guys drive them like their cars right because they're more like cars than they ever were like trucks right not the trucks we started out in not Not to go old school, but my truck was a turd. My first truck was a turd compared to what we have now.

And how you had to drive it. But great, great points, Scott, about, yeah, the crossover between your car and the truck. Yep. Yeah. Just can't. No, you can't. How did you guys link up? What brought you together on CDL? I was selling a set of tires for a Volkswagen Vanagon about 15 years ago. Yeah. And this knucklehead showed up at my door to buy them. I was literally a tire kicker. And he took a look at the tires and he said, nah, these aren't the ones I want. I was like, no.

Okay. But you being Fluizian, I think you mentioned your catfish fry. Yeah, that's right. I used to, I used to throw a catfish festival every summer. Right. Cause I'm from Shreveport, Louisiana. And I asked if it involved beer and you said yes. And then we, we became friends and over the years, you know, we've, we've just really around Volkswagens and wrenching and all that kind of stuff. We got to be good friends. Yeah. And then I was saying earlier, we met up actually at a Volkswagen thing,

I don't know, a little over a year ago, 18 months ago. Yeah. Scott said, how's work? And I said, I hate it. They're killing me. Can't stand it. Same old, same old. You know, I was never meant to do this. And he said, well, you should come co-own my diesel truck driving school with me. And I said, that's a ridiculous idea. And then I sat on it, sat on it for about six weeks. And I had a meeting with my boss at my job and he said, how are you? And I said, I quit.

Wow. And I walked away from 28 years in finance and showed up at Scott's doorstep and said, all right, let's do it. I mean, here we are. It's been a whirlwind. I've talked about drinking from the fire hose. There were some times out there north of DIA sitting behind the wheel of a Western star trying to double clutch thinking, what in the hell am I doing? But it's working out. No, it turns out we work well together.

We have a shared kind of vision and goal and we play off each other. He's Nebraska farm boy. I'm North Louisiana redneck and somehow we make it work. Sounds fun. And I think, you know, we don't have a ton of experience.

I've just been driving since, you know, 2001 and, or sorry, 2021. And I feel like I come to it with, you know, a fresher perspective and someone that hasn't been on the road for decades, you know. So, and just a fresh approach, you know, I think that's beneficial. Yeah. They say learning beats knowing. Yeah. Yeah. My former career was all about risk and risk assessment. And it's amazing how much it dovetailed with what we're doing here.

And also with marketing and I'm kind of a blabber. I can talk to anybody. So I've met everybody in the business and I'm on the CMCA safety council now. Very proud of that. But we've, yeah, we, we, we figured out what our objectives were. We met up with the road aware guys. We kind of had a two pronged approach at the beginning. We were looking at two different avenues that the larger schools are not addressing. And one of those was providing CDL training to underserved communities.

Women, minorities, anybody who maybe couldn't get in the door somewhere else. And then the other side of it was mountain training. And let's do the legwork and see what takes off. And the mountain training has really become the thing. Although we've graduated some diverse folks through our program and through the CDL program, which has been great. But the mountain training has really blown up and that's turned into our primary focus.

Nice. So do you got a lot of companies from out of state like Flying Drivers out here? Is it mostly local companies? We're working with Road Aware, which I guess we'll get to. That's our partner in this. They're working with a freight marketing company who some of the guys from there took our course and said, we want to take this national.

We want to take this out and sell it. So those guys are working with the major fleets, the bigger fleets, and then we're local where we really, as I was saying, we want to spearhead the effort with the, with the local fleets. The mountains are right here. Yeah, exactly. And it's right in our backyard. I mean, it just, you know, it's just locked in. So, so that's really kind of what we're doing.

Currently working with a hauler in Phoenix, a bunch of drivers signed up there and then in talks with some of the major fleets as well. Really just getting the word out, you know, and lots of support, even from, you know, from CDOT, we were told by the kind of the senior people at CDOT, they said, we've wanted this for years, but it's going to have to come from the private sector.

It's not, if, if we rely on the government to come up with a mandated mountain training program, it's going to take a decade. Right. They started the LDT in 2011. That's how long that took. Wow. Yeah. And it came around 10 years later.

That's great. Just to give you an idea. you yeah yeah it's definitely interesting when i started researching you i was like on the website looking i'm like wait what mountain driving training business to build i thought it was cool i was like i've never seen this before so definitely you have a unique selling proposition that's for sure yeah so you guys started in december 23 was cdl school mandatory at this time, yes and and the cdl 303 actually started a couple of years ago we started the

the initiative for mountain training in december of 23.

Gotcha yeah okay and when did when did cdl 303 start oh man probably about a year ago i guess okay yeah i worked with a bunch of older government employees and stuff and business business and then once we met brian it just started shoving off into the mountain scene gotcha yep that's longer than two years because they were established before i got here yeah yeah yeah and you said the mountain parts blowing up so that that's A lot of talk, a lot of attention, um, media attention.

We've, I've been kind of stunned by. How many people know about it, how many people want to talk about it. Cause I'm, I go to all the CMCA meetings and actually went to a state troopers retirement party a couple of weeks ago. I never would have, and it was cool, but that's not something I would have expected. I went out to headquarters and I walk in this into the museum out there and I looked around and I said, all right, 75 cops and me, but all cool guys,

you know, and, and, you know, know all of them now. Now, and they're all very supportive of the program. We've had a couple of those guys take the course. So good, you know. Very cool. Yeah. Yeah, they've been supportive. Yes. Yeah. Good guys. Who are you guys seeing coming through the regular truck driving school part? Who are you seeing come through? Well, right now we're not approved via school. So we're just business to business.

Oh, okay. Yeah. So Boulder government employees and, you know, people like that. Gotcha. Yeah. So we just resubmitted our paperwork to DPOS, Division of Private Occupational Services. Sure. Under the Department of Higher Ed. So yeah, hopefully get that back this week and see if there's any other tweaks and keep rolling on that. And then we'll be a school. Gotcha. And then we got to turn around and do some more paperwork to include the mountain training, the online course.

So that's just business to business for now. So is the school approved on a federal level? No, it's on a state level.

Department of higher ed yeah you know you can't just be some fly-by-night trucking school and sure teaching guys after hours and throwing them out on the road sure i just want a lot of where our licenses has all the federal restrictions on it yeah so we're fmcsa members and we have to submit to fmcsa for everything but but right now how how the business model has been to this point And has been business to business.

Gotcha. But then to, to go through the DPOS stuff, man, they are thorough and for a very good reason.

You know, you don't want those fly by night schools out there, but right, yeah, and they gave us a list of things they wanted a. Year ago and we submitted everything they came back and said you know you got a typo here send it all back four weeks later we'll get it back yeah it was mostly matching up the theory hours from the ldt to what we offer in cab you know for all the parking maneuvers and yeah yeah they're focused on

the syllabus really they just want to make sure that we're documenting everything that we do as far as our training program so they've been responsive and really good and helpful yeah Yeah. Good to work with. So no complaints. Now, as far as the drivers that come through the school, does everybody graduate? Or have you had some guys where you're like, yeah, you should? All these company people, they've all been pretty dialed in. Yeah. Good. I mean, my last kid, he was shifting better than I was.

I was like, I'm just going to watch this all day. Nice. Yeah. Very cool. Yeah. It's really, you know, what we've gotten from businesses is, look, I know how to drive a truck.

They say i have to have the the schooling before i take the test and if they've got those basics then scott gets them trained up pretty quick it's really you know the the pre and post trip inspections a lot of these guys been driving for a while but but you know they can't identify the parts on the truck they don't know what they're supposed to be looking for they're not prepared.

To go in and have a test or really grill them on it and you know and a lot a lot of the smaller things, you know, you can't hop a curb, you know, you can't roll back at a light. I mean, just all these kind of little things that, that you don't learn kind of see to your pants. Right. You know, we, we just put those tweaks on it for them. And that's been great with the business to business because don't get a lot of really green people except for me. Yeah.

And then, you know, if one is, you know, got more experience than the other, we can go ahead and borrow some of his time you know and then get the other you know guy or girl to catch up gotcha yeah so it works out well the trucks that you train in do they like the sleeper did you put a bench back there like i just have a western star uh 2013 and it's got the smaller sleeper so the bench is really nice it's just a bench it's easy

swap out i put in some memory phone a little kush yeah that's awesome.

Wanted to get into some stats I picked up from going through your mountain driving course online. The one thing that really stuck out to me, maybe kind of sad is 42,795 traffic related deaths in the U S in 2022. Yeah. That's 42,000, almost 43,000 families got a phone call that That their loved one has passed away in a piece of metal on the highway. Yeah. Yep. Disgusting. Yeah. I think of it as, I mean, that's a sellout at Coors Field. Yeah. You know? And that's- Exactly, Joe. Yeah. That's the...

Number of people you know you guys you guys already touched on this one but more drivers die, driving trucks than in any other profession and you compare it to law enforcement right yeah crazy and then this one most of the time if a driver dies it comes with other deaths attached to it that means you had an accident with other vehicles and those people died as well he or she i should say so yeah that's that's really scary stuff i mean that's just kind of makes you realize the seriousness of what

we do i did bring up three accidents i wanted to talk to you guys about, one of you guys sent me a reminder yesterday it was already in the notes but the first one is a very famous one the i-70 colorado mills accident right that was a guy that lost his brakes coming Coming down the hill, you know, killed four people, I think, and injured lots more.

The next one was Monique Trucking. Are you guys familiar with that? Oh, yeah. 285. Another flatbed accident. Lost his load of pipe. Killed a 65-year-old man. Right. The I-70 Wheat Ridge accident is the one that you guys did the piece with. Was it 9 News? 9 News. Yep, 9 News. Okay. And did they reach out to you? How did you get involved with that? Actually, I reached out to Next and Kyle Clark. Oh, gotcha. I found their email and just sent them, you know, quick little thoughts.

Yeah. Cause we're sick of seeing this. Gotcha. And then, yeah, and it went quick. Yeah. We're shooting that next week. Wow. So it really worked out well. And we were on there twice. They did an update on that zone. They've had 166 accidents there since they did that lane shift. Wow. It's what, December 23? When I saw that stat, I was like, oh my God, that construction's only been there a year. Yeah. And 166 wrecks. Yeah. Well, accidents, you know, not wrecks. Yeah.

And that section, even if you're paying attention, and I mean, in my F-150, it's that off camber and that jaw. Yeah, that's right. I mean, it'll downshift. Yeah, it's at peak. The eastbound is terrible, and it's the twist. You're on two different planes. Yeah, yeah. You know, the trailer's leaning one direction, the tractor's leaning another direction as you're navigating those S-turns eastbound. Right. Oh, yeah. And if you got a head of steam coming out of the mountains.

Right. Yeah. Trouble. It was a total fluke that I got that Brist trailer, you know. I see those guys 24-7, man. If there's anybody that needs mount training, man, it's all those guys. Right. You know. Yeah. They do it day in, day out. Right. Sure. Mm-hmm. You know, sometimes that, that day in, day out will catch you as well. Yeah. You know, when you're, you become so routine, you think you're fine. Right.

You're not, yeah, you have all these little initial things that you're not paying attention to and it sneaks up on you. You know, we talk about it all the time. My, my wife works for the Bureau of Reclamation and it's a division of land management. And, you know, they go in and they do rescues with people and they have a guy that has harnessed up and jumped out of helicopters for 20 years. And one day he harnessed up, but forgot to clip in. Oh man. Dove out of the

helicopter for the last time. No kidding. You know what I mean? Just that simple. Yeah. Yeah. You know, and yet that routine, right. He was perfect until then. And, you know, people around him. Forgot to clip one clip and off he went, you know? So it's, it's those things, even, you know, like Jim was saying, he's done this for 42 years and learned something off that course. We say every day, there's something new. We pick something up.

We learned something new. We see something, you know, we've, we've just started, we've just added six super dumps to our fleet this year, and it's a new division for us. There's new things, you know, and we're adjusting constantly with our safety team. You know, we've got our safety team on site doing a little something different with them today. Right. So, you know, it just, there's just all these details to what we do.

And, you know, even when you think you have the details and the routine down, you still have to step back and go, okay, is this correct? Did I do this right? Have I checked off the list or, you know, mentally did I do it? Right. Right. So yeah, there's, there's, even when you think you're a professional at it, you just have to stop sometimes. Yeah. Recheck yourself. And remember what's at stake. Right. Yeah. Absolutely.

Yeah, when I was running my flatbed, I mean, it was a different load every day, every other day. Right. Really had to go to it fresh, you know. How does this tie down? Never seen this before. I got wine processing equipment. I'm running from Sacramento up to Hood River, Oregon, you know. Yeah. Do I have this all tied down, strapped correctly? Yeah. Yeah, it adds up. Every day was new when you're independent.

Yeah, I think listening to you earlier, Scott, the –, You taking the truck up, you know, empty, you said when you first got your truck, because you didn't, when you graduated driving school, they missed that course or didn't finish that. So you went up and did the. Yeah, I just did it on my own. Right. I mean, I'm independent owner ops, I'll ride in my lap. Exactly. Everything. Exactly. But I was just thinking when you mentioned that, how hungry for knowledge you were.

And yet if I go up there, how much I would take for granted, you know, because I've done it before.

Form and you're and but again you said it joe what's at stake you guys right and i guess that's my you know the the accidents we've had and stuff and we try to tell everybody here what's at stake and and we we say it all the time what if you know i got it i got a tag on that jim because i'm sitting here thinking about some of the experiences i've had i think all of these drivers that come from other parts of the country

maybe they come from florida or new jersey and And they take our mountains for granted. They just think, oh, it's just a little bit, you know, I'll be over them in 20 miles. Yep. You know, I have a heck of a story. You guys will enjoy this story. We were all coming back from Pagosa Springs one morning. We went over there with some infield mix for high school. And I think there was four of us, right? And we preload these loads. We leave at the crack of dawn, you know, four o'clock in the morning.

And so we, beautiful summer day, we had dumped out and we were on our way home. And we were coming back on Wolf Creek Pass, okay? Big pass. And all of a sudden we come up on a truck that's completely on its side across the road. Blocking the whole road. It was a moving van and we were the first vehicles on scene. And so there's this guy running around in the road, his legs all bleeding. Right. So we jump out and we're like, are you okay?

What happened? What happened? And he was like, I wasn't going to go off that cliff. We, we, we, man, the dude overcorrected and rolled the truck on that side. Right. And Wolf Creek, if you've been up on Wolf Creek, it's, it's mountain on one side and drop on the other side.

So the dude jumped out of the truck oh oh wow because he was afraid they were going to go over the side you know and you guys we were all up there me captain ron ed i mean the whole crew of us right the coolest thing though was over the next three hours one tow truck guy came up and righted that whole truck one tow truck one guy it wasn't his first rodeo you know those guys from in Pagosa Springs. It was. Oh, yeah. And he was cool as a cucumber.

You know, one sheriff showed up and then within, I would say, two and a half, three hours, we were on our way. But the truck was a moving van from New Jersey. And that's the key, you guys, with your online stuff. I hope you can reach out to companies all across the country because those people will have to go across our mountains at some point, whether it's our mountains or Wyoming mountains or Montana mountains. And they have no clue. They take them for granted. Yeah. Yeah.

It won't help with the other mountains, Dave, but the CMCA did get passed a new ruling and with all the new technology and stuff, and I forget when it's going to take place. And maybe this is something you can dive into. Joe is the... With the Qualcomm systems in the trucks, the minute you cross the state line, because it knows where you're at, it's going to let you know, okay, you're going to need chains.

What's your route? It's going to start feeding you all this information and questions, Dave. And then it's going to tell you to pull over and stop, navigate your route. It's going to let you know where the 45 mile an hour zones are. I mean, it's pretty comprehensive little plan and it's pretty kick ass. I like that. But I don't know when it starts. I just learned about it two nights ago from Troy Hill from Hill Petroleum. So shout out to Troy.

Sometime in 2025 is the last I heard. Is it? God, that sounds like a long time, long time away, right? Three, four months away. But, you know, like our system, we're not Qualcomm. So is it going to be on a platform that everyone can get? Because we're only tracking our own trucks, right? Right. We're not on, it has no way to acknowledge us. Yeah. Right? So it's still not going to be foolproof, right? It's still not going to go to other states, Dave, because it's a state-adopted

program. This is a CDOT program. But I don't know, will it get 50% of the people? Yeah, every bit helps. I remember years ago, I ran up to Seattle and picked up an oversized loader and everybody was like, oh my gosh, you're going to go over cabbage coming home. You got to go over cabbage. And I was like worked up. Like I'm 130,000 pounds. I'm over something. I'm over length, I'm over width, I'm over weight.

I'm like, I got to go over cabbage. You know, by the time it was said and done, I'm saying it, right? I got to go over. And you guys, I started down cabbage and I'm like, well, clearly I'm going way too slow. When does cabbage start? Right. You know, growing up here in Colorado and navigating, you know, Vail and Eisenhower. Gosh, there's just a frontage road out of Idaho Springs that we used to run all the time. That's one of the steepest, longest paved roads in Colorado.

Oh yeah. And we would navigate it eight times a day out of the glory we were hauling out of, you know? And yeah, needless to say, I got halfway done cabbage and I looked at my wife was with me and I'm like, I think I got to go. We're holding up a lot of traffic here. This really isn't. This is more like lettuce. It's not. Well, you know, I was prepared. Yeah. Yeah. Right. I mean, I can go down at as slow as I want a hundred times.

I can only go down at two fast. Yeah, we did all the CDOT safety meetings all last week and the week before, all five regions, you know, and one thing that got me thinking was the overhead signage, you know, the CDOT signage that tells you, you know, if there's an incline coming up, why can't they remind the truckers, service brakes are not for descending. You should be using your engine brake or being in the right gear. You got to use your engine brake.

Great point. Or is that a liability issue for them to recommend that? You know, it's, you know, why don't they have that? Our goal is to come down and never use your service break. Yeah. That's our goal. And we have the equipment to do that. Our equipment is capable of that. Yeah. Right. Right. You just have to drive that. I mean, we were taught that way growing up in this business. We had to put our own brakes on. We had to replace our own brake drums. We had to install our own brake cams.

We had to adjust them. It was a shitload of work. Oh, yeah. Right. We were the guys that were driving the trucks and make, you know, go 100,000 and then 150,000 miles before we had to do it. Where, you know, we've got drivers with disc brakes right now that they're not getting 50,000 miles out of it. Really? Way over driving those trucks. And, you know, Jim and I have had this, we've all had this conversation many times that they are so like a car now.

Yeah. You know, you, you put it in D and away you go. You match the throttle and you let off the throttle and you match the brake. Yep. Yep. Right. And those engine brakes on Cummins, Paccar, Mac, it doesn't matter what engine you have, those engine brakes are more powerful today than any brake ever made. Yep. They are way more than capable of, we can navigate any hill and not touch a brake. Yep. We have a section in the training about compression release.

Our engineer, Garth, he just did a whole white paper on cost savings and better braking. Oh. I mean, it was double. Right. At the end of the year. Yeah. Of what you spend on bad braking. Yes. No, it's crazy as my first company I drove for was Stevens Transport.

They didn't have Jake brakes. and you had to learn how to come down a hill using light steady brake pressure so you'd have to be in the right gear with five to seven psi of applied brake pressure that's all service brakes and you talk about cat we weren't allowed we weren't allowed over these passes you know right yeah you weren't winter summer it didn't matter you ain't you're not going over i-70 corridor but you talk about cabbage and then what was it the grapevine out in california.

We'd come down to grapevine you know and that that seemed like a fire it was a long time ago but it seemed like forever right you know with that with five to seven psi you know and then you get to a spot where you slow down and it's like you want to take your foot off the brake well that allows the air into the brake well guess what you look back and a little bit of smoke coming out of there you know what i mean so i just don't understand how they would have

like not have jake brakes and i think it's the same way today for those guys they still don't have have jake brakes yeah yeah brie came over from cr england and she said she didn't have jakes on her singer cr england yeah yeah that's that's not uncommon for for you know the flat we bought some trucks from kansas city or st louis missouri and they didn't have jakes and we to us we bought them and didn't even realize it oh wow oh yeah where's jake

brakes we need to put engine brakes on these trucks yeah so yeah yeah i don't even know is that something you can add oh yeah Is it? Yeah. Yeah. How much money do you want to spend on Jake Brady? My Westerners start. Worth every penny. Yeah, my Westerners start. It's an oil-filled truck, so I got everything. Yeah. So I brought up those three accidents, and then just two days ago, you brought up the truck that flipped over in Glenwood Canyon.

Yeah, yesterday. Off the top roadway onto the bottom roadway. Luckily, nobody, I don't know about the driver, but he didn't land on a family, thank goodness. Yeah. Thank goodness. Yeah, it was. That was 9.30 in the morning.

Did that driver make it? yeah he's in the hospital okay okay is he out of state that you know they're always short on that information it kind of drives me nuts you know well and in in glenwood not that it makes a big difference but they've they've put in the left lane restriction and the i was through there a few weeks ago and the signage is i mean every eighth of a mile it is well marked yeah so if you're speeding through there then you'd.

You know what you're doing. With something like that, I think driver's side steer blowout, you know, that shot him over that. Because Big John there at Mountain Recovery, he just plowed their big tow truck into that bridge pillar. Saw a little clip on that. And yep, he blew that driver's side steer out. Totally, man, out of the blue. Right. So tell us how your mountain driving course could have prevented all three of these accidents.

Training, training, training. If you look at the I-70 crash at Denver West, the first one you mentioned, he had several opportunities to stop that truck before he got all the way down the hill. He went past the runaway truck ramp. He missed that C-470 exit. He would have launched the truck, but he would have saved some lives.

You know, one of the theories there is that, and one of the misconceptions we're trying to deal with is Colorado State Police will not ticket you if you use a runaway truck ramp. Right. They're there for the drivers. I mean, you got to pay tow fees and any damage to the truck, of course, but it's not illegal to use those because there's some speculation that he thought that he would, he would get in trouble if he used a runaway truck ramp and he was not trained properly.

And, and that's the biggest thing, you know, it's all about speed. It's all about knowing how to use your right, your engine break. And a lot of these guys, you know, they're, they're, they're just under trained. So, yeah, I think in these kind of cases, that definitely our training would help. I'm sorry to interrupt. Do you know I was all this time, because I'm all about the training too, you know, I always question if that guy could read the signs because he was from Texas or somewhere.

Yeah, he was Puerto Rican American. Yeah. Do you think he could read English? I don't know. That's a good question. Well, that's a pretty good picture of a truck on the sign and 4% grade on a slow – I don't think he – And it's on a flashing yellow sign. I don't think he knew how bad it was. Yeah. I don't think he underestimated it, didn't he?

And it's the – I mean, a lot of local people even don't realize this, but the I-70 corridor from the Eisenhower Tunnel to Denver is the most dangerous corridor in the interstate system. Wow. The most dangerous. There are more accidents, injuries, fatalities on that stretch of interstate than anywhere else in the country. Well, I know about a hundred troopers out there. Yeah. 20 years ago, they raised that concrete barrier up down on Dead's Man Turns at the very bottom,

down by the Morrison exit. Yep. Yep. Yep. And they're redoing the runaway truck ramp. They got that all done. Yeah. Is it done yet? Yeah. It looks great. They beefed up that whole wall for the curve. So you could basically just plow it into that and grind yourself to a hole. Ride it out like an HO truck. I went up over that 10 sleep Wyoming section over there and dropped into, what was that? Douglas or Buffalo, Wyoming. And they didn't have any room to work with to put

in extended ramps. It was all that cable system. Oh. You just plowed into those cables and you just start snapping. Yeah. And then slowing you down. That is just carnage, isn't it? Those kills are just carnage. I'd never seen that style before. Wow. Yeah. Wow. But I rolled Wolf Creek Pass a couple of times and it was fine.

You know, it's got to be on top of it. Right. That's it too. You just, I mean, yeah, you guys go over that in the course of how rewarding it could be. Yeah. To do it the right way. Yeah. It's not like you have to go up there and be scared. Yeah. And Super Dave, if you, you know, get a chance to take the course, they start off with a section of Wolf Creek Pass. And I think, I think it says, welcome to the wolf. Yeah.

It's the only pass I've experienced at the top. They tell you your weight and then your recommended speed. Yeah. Oh yeah. I think if you're 80,000, they want you to go like 15 miles an hour or something. You play the song on your course. What song?

Way up on the Great Divide. i want to say who is it that sings it mccoy or something i can't think it's an old oh yeah wolf pass yeah he goes down around around down downtown magosa spring oh yeah i gotta look that's to wake up the guy out of the sleeper and says earl we're gonna crash. Well there's our dark humor I guess I started it off. Yeah. The videos they have in the course are just, you know, are amazing, Super Dave.

And I guess, cause I'm visual and the videos we have of things that go on, they're just great stuff. And one of them up on Wolf Creek, they have a truck coming around the corner and the other truck just, just loses control and goes right off the cliff.

Yeah. And they, they back out with drones or whatever, but they just show the trailer wadded up at the bottom of the cliff and there's just there's just good stuff and i know i told you in talking to these guys this morning the the last one there um which you guys says on social media but is it tuli is that how you say uh you come to ella to ella yeah utah i mean with a with a belly dump going through town and tandem tandem belly dump yeah tandem belly right yep yep yep Yep.

And it's just, yeah, they run those in Utah. Yeah. Two trailers, two bellies. Yeah. I had a guy, this was quite a while ago. He used to haul coal over in Utah in one of those double bellies. And I think he was like 145,000 pounds. But you know, you don't back those up and he got over here. He couldn't back up to save his life. Yeah. The, the Wolf Creek pass that, that video that's been, that was a real focal point of the training.

I mean, very sad, very tragic, but, but a lot can be learned from that. Our partners in Phoenix, Brian Bullock, the guy who owns road aware, uh, he did, they do crash analysis for, for fleets also is one of the services they provide. Okay. So he did a full analysis of trying to get into the mind of that driver and what he was thinking coming down the other side, why he missed that runaway truck ramp that was just a third of a mile from the hairpin.

He probably was on his service breaks and the grade is not terrible coming down. To that hairpin until you get right before it. So he probably thought he had his service brakes past the runaway truck ramp and then hit his brakes and realized that he didn't have anything. And he hit that hairpin at 60 miles per hour. Wow. Wow. And it was over. Then he hit, yeah, he plowed the wall so hard that slowed him down the majority.

And that's why he ended up in a crumple down there on the face, you know, on the rock. That wall slowed him down so much, but I mean, he probably died on impact. Yeah, basically leapt the wall. Yeah. I mean, yeah, from the video. Yeah. Scary. Well, I'm surprised it got caught. I'm surprised the truck got caught up where it did because it seemed like. Yeah. Yeah, how far down? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, a couple notes that I wanted to just bring up with you guys, and Super Dave, you mentioned or I guess, Jam, you did about the smoke in the training, smoke starts at 500 degrees is what they say in the training. And then, so I was just curious, so 500 degrees is about where a self-cleaning oven cleans itself at and everything, everything turns to ashes. If you've ever ran your self-cleaning oven. Well, yeah, boy,

there's nothing left, isn't there? Yeah. And I think it goes up a little bit more than that, but that's where the brakes are sitting at, you guys. And I just, I wanted that realization of, you know, same as a self-cleaning oven, it's burning everything. Yeah. You know, and, and this is where it stopped at. And then I think the one, the other stat was what, at 1,200 degrees, you've lost 38% of your brakes. Right. You know, and then the other one. At what temperature? 1,200 degrees.

So I think that was one of them. Am I right, you guys? Or is it more than that? Because 1,200 seemed. Hot. That sounds hot. It's like it should be melting steel. Yeah. And that's where they were, like you have no brakes left. Yeah. Yeah. And then the other stat that I'd never thought about all these years is when you heat that drum, it expands. It gets bigger. Yeah. And all my experience, I've never thought about that drum getting bigger. Yeah.

Bigger excuse me but when it got bigger you've lost all your brake adjustment yeah yeah you know you're you're talking about that little bit of slack adjuster movement and you've expanded that drum you're you're you're screwed right off the bat yeah yeah you know and then you have these guys just manually applying the trailer brakes yes and cooking them because it's a leased trailer yeah i'm like you guys are insane we've heard that a lot yeah a lot yeah king supers trailers Like the,

the lease guys that run the King Supers trailers, Brisk, that's what they'll, that's what they use to stop because they repair the trailers. Like you're saying, it's a lease trailer. Wow. And I just, it just, it's so sickening or so maddening. Yeah. You know. Now there's that Instagram video of the guy that cooked his brakes so hard, then he started his trailer on fire. So it was all burned up along the wall on the sides, all the way up above his trailer wheels.

And then started out he was still apparently driving with it still on fire and then he took it down there the ta there in wheat ridge where the accident was and he dumped it yes he just i think he left it oh my gosh i've heard that yes yes at the truck stop or just yeah another guy in instagram comments has said yeah i saw that trailer on the side of the road man it looked like he just dumped it and that's why i couldn't get hot

dog buns that week yeah we have a saying Staying here when we see a guy coming off the hill, we'll get on our company radio and say, we got a smoker.

Yeah. I was going to say that. Man. Yeah. And the other one, guys, help me out on that, is that the DOT requires, I think I wrote that one down.

What do I do with that note? That the DOT requires a truck to stop one time loaded is the requirements for the brakes. For the service brakes. Yeah. For the service brakes. brakes, but it doesn't, it's not required any more than that. Fully loaded, stop one time in 312 feet. Right. Thereabouts. But yeah, the, yeah, the DOT reg is that, you know, fully loaded truck has one stop in, in this distance. They say nothing about a constant application of the brake. Exactly.

That's the requirements for your brake. It's just not designed for that. Yeah. You know, that's what your engine brakes for. Exactly. And I was like, nobody, nobody realizes that. And it's wrong in this, in the Colorado manual too, in the DMV. Is it? You know, I mean, my take on breaking was apply, heat them up, cool them down, heat them up, cool them down, you know, stab it, get a little bit more grab out of it and then let off. Constant.

Brian says it's, no, it's not going to work out. There's no point for that. Yeah. Agreed. Yeah. You know, I mean, we grew up in the era that, you know, when the, the rule of thumb to go up a mountain, when you went down the other side, you went down a gear less. Right. Than what you went up. Right. You know. It's, it's, it's not to interrupt you. It's in their test. That, that was part of the stuff I tried to skip because I wanted to, do I know anything?

Yeah. And how we were taught. So go ahead. Sorry. Yeah. I mean, the, the, the engine brakes were so poor back then. And, you know, you didn't have that ability. Yeah. Right. And I mean, you know, sometimes it was two gears less than what you went up. I was just going to say that. And then it got to one gear, you know, now just because of the capability of brakes. I mean, I, it, we feel we have an issue with it.

We worry about it, that our drivers are using way too much brake coming down the hill. And we, we've talked about it on podcast after podcast. That's the reason we're excited to have you guys on. You know, the goal is to come down that hill and not use your brakes. That engine brake is more than capable of keeping you in that speed range that you're required to be in. And if you're burning brakes, you're burning money. Yes. And that's a big part of what RotoWare, our partners do.

They do these assessments for fleets where they can, and I guess we'll get into that, but they have a driver monitoring software that will show, you know, what the best drivers in your fleet are doing as far as sudden acceleration, sudden braking, kind of like the progressive thing you plug into your car for a better rate. It's kind of like that, but it'll show who's being aggressive on their brakes, who's going too fast, who's accelerating too quickly, all that kind of stuff.

Up and they've, they've quantified it, monetized it. They can tell you how much money you're spending on that driver who is being too aggressive with the truck. Right. They can give you an annualized number that that guy's costing you five grand. We're this close with our PACCAR programming to having the ability of, there's nothing we can do about it, but at least we'll have the information of knowing how much brake you're using.

So like we can download two trucks and go, well, these two guys are running the same run out of fair play. This guy's using, he's on the brakes. I'm just picking random numbers up here. 15% of the time. And this guy's on his break 39% of the time. But you know, that's a problem. You know what I mean? And then we can go to that driver and right, look, here's the data.

Right. The really positive thing about that, that, that road aware, and I'm speaking for, for Brian and Garth, our partners, but I think they're cool with it. The really positive thing is when you show a driver. Yes. this is what you're doing, then the behavior changes because they don't realize it. And, you know, everybody wants to do their best job. They're not doing it on purpose. So you can, you can correct that behavior and everybody wins.

Yes. You know, they tested the drivers there at that mine out. What? East of Phoenix at CTI and tested their mine drivers and ran it through there. And they, they have proven results. Yeah. That these guys, these guys want to be better drivers. That gets you, that gets you an insurance discount too. If you have proven data showing, you know, we use this educational software and in-cab tracking and they showed improvement then. Yeah. All right. You guys are being safer. You guys get a discount.

Yeah. That's great. Yeah. We tell everybody we introduced cameras, was it three years ago now?

I think longer than that. It's been five. I guess it's 2020, right? It's been five, but the new camera. Now we're at the point we're calling them new and they're three years old, Jim. Anyway, we introduced cameras and a lot of the feedback, drivers didn't want the cameras, all that kind of stuff. Yeah, I agree with that.

We did both things. You know, forward and driver phase. And the thing is, is when you get, and we have lots of stories about them, you know, if a driver liking them, not liking them and everything, But the thing is, is when we have meetings with the drivers, we ask them, do you like the cameras? Everybody says no. But if you ask them, has it made you a better driver? And they're like, absolutely. Right. Always. Right. I don't know. Always the two answers. Do you like them?

No. Has it made you better? Yep. Yeah, I don't know. But to me, that's feedback of information. They're getting instant feedback because they have the AI in them. Tell you you're following too close. Tell you, you know, you're not wearing your seatbelt, different stuff like that.

There's instant feedback and you naturally want to be better so you're not going to do it anymore there's yeah i think you can get the same data i don't think you need the camera no you just get it from the truck get it from the driving yeah i mean watching them visually you know we're not watching them yeah it's artificial intelligence and it's instant feedback if you get in there and don't have your seat belt on and believe me we've gotten some tickets at the port of entry because

we didn't have our seat belt on why on earth would you not have your seat belt on Yeah. Right? Now you get in there and it's like, you drive for a second or two and pretty soon the camera's saying, you need your seatbelt on. You need your seatbelt on. You pick up your phone and the camera's saying, you're distracted driving. Oh, yeah. You're distracted driving. That's right. You start following a car too close and the camera goes, you're following too

close. Increase following distance. Yeah. I mean, it is, we went from reactive with the old camera system that just recorded everything to the new system with the artificial intelligence that it's benefiting our drivers. Yeah. We took our driving scores when we first started with the, we're calling them new cameras. We've had them for three years, our latest system. And we went from reactive to proactive and it changed our game. It took our bar from down here and our bar is up here now.

That's great. We are so much better with them and our drivers are advocates for them and we are huge advocates. Yeah, the cameras are a non-issue as far as likability goes right now.

It's a non-issue we're past that yeah like yeah you know it used to be a deal breaker you know maybe in interviews maybe you could speak more on it but now like i mean everyone's got cameras now if the camera's malfunctioning and like giving false alerts all day that gets annoying but yeah you know you're not dang for that it doesn't go against you like if you have a an alert if the camera is giving you an alert it says you did something wrong it's reviewed by a safety team

member to even verify if you were doing something wrong or not. So it's not, the camera isn't gospel. Like there is a review process and a lot of those could be dismissed. And some of them are like, you need to have a meeting today because you're dangerous. One of the huge benefits we love about them is we can create a geofence wherever we want. So we've taken that area that's 45 miles an hour right next to the runaway truck ramp on I-70.

We've put a geofence on it. You go over 45 miles an hour, guess what? We get an instant alert. That's great. Oh, wow. We can literally pick up the phone and call that driver and go, dude, it's 45 through there. What is the problem? Yeah. Yeah. That's great. And nip it in the bud right then and there. That's amazing. Because if you're doing that after all of our training, we- Yeah, after the podcast with you guys, and we're still doing it, right, Dave?

Go ahead. Right. I mean, there is a failure somewhere and pretty good odds. I'm not pointing any fingers, but it's not on us. Right. Yeah. We've made it clear. Look, dude, here's the flashing yellow sign. Here's where it's required. There's the speed limit. Here's all the accidents we've shown you. Why are you speeding? Yeah. Why? Yeah. Right? You're chasing a dollar that you're never going to earn. You are never going to earn it.

You're chasing it and you're going to cost yourself more money because the state patrolman is going to pull you over because of the accidents, because of the awareness they have. They're going to stop you. You're going to sit on the side of the road for 30 minutes and you're going to lose time. You're going to lose a load and you're going to have a big ass spine because you're speeding. Do it right. do it right the first time and.

Be an example. Yeah. Right? We want to be leaders in the industry. We want to be better in the industry. We want to, you know, we go to a truck stop and we see our brotherhood that's out there. Yeah. And we want it better. Right? This is our living and we want it better. We have a, trucking has a black eye on it and there's a reason why. Yeah. Right? Yeah. And we need to elevate those people and help educate them and keep training them and keep Keep talking about it and keep being better.

Keep promoting safety and keep promoting doing the right way, just like you guys are doing.

Yeah. Yeah. Scott, if you've just been driving the last couple of years, but independently on your own and taking all sorts of different loads, you had to see the best of the best out there. I mean, yeah. The worst of the worst and the best. Yeah. I mean, it was, it was across the board. Which one was greater? Right. Yeah. Which did you see more common?

I mean, I was like following the FedEx or UPS guys on their regular routes man they always did the right speed you know they're always a good guy but you know it's always the smaller mom and pop shops with the beat-up truck you know yeah not taking care of things yeah that's another thing too the questionable equipment yeah see the stereotypical you know you're talking about the stereotypical drivers is what people think of when they think of the trucking industry yeah but it's

come a long way I mean there's guys that make $100,000 here plus. And we've talked about engineers that work for the government making 40 grand. You know, so it is a good way to earn money and raise a family, and not everybody is just the stereotypical truck driver that you've seen in the past. Yeah, right, yeah. Yeah, I wanted to mention earlier, I think you said it, Scott, was that, or maybe you, Joe, but it doesn't matter, that somebody outshifted you.

They shifted so much better than you can even shift, right? Those are the guys in our experience over the years, they are so good at their craft. They get bored truck driving and they're like, I'm bored. I'm bored. And I'm like, because you don't know how good you are. It comes naturally. It's easy. We talk about on the podcast, we got guys come in. They look like they went to war all day long. And we have the other guy come in. They're dirty, hair messed up.

We all beat today. day. Yeah. And the guy shows up in the white t-shirt in the morning, he shows back up in the white t-shirt and you're like, did you work today? I'm going to go work out. Yeah. Then they go to the gym. Yeah. Cause it's just, it's easy. I'm bored. I made a 30 speed. Yeah. Right. So yeah, that when you, when you see those guys, it's easy to recognize how, how easy the equipment, you know, comes to them running the equipment. Right. So. Right.

Yeah. And I have to say again on, on the test, I, They, you guys really took the time and maybe it's your partners there, took the time and broke down because it interests me, the breakdown of how a Jake brake works or an engine works, you know, the valving, the compression, you know, what it's stopping, why, how it compares to a gas engine and a diesel engine. They break all that down, Dave. And it just, it, for me, that's a knowledge of, oh, that's how that works.

Yeah. You know, that's, I can, I can, I can run it. Right. Yeah. Right. You get that deeper knowledge of it. And that's, and, and really the philosophy behind the program is, is the why, not only the how, but the why, you know, the, this is a, this is a, an important profession. And we feel like the training treats the driver or the, the enrollee, the test taker with respect. This is how your equipment works. This is a deeper dive into the physics that are at play when you're going downhill.

You know, we compare it to a roller coaster in one section to make it more relatable. But it's, you know, everybody who has taken it has said, I learned something that I didn't know. And we know that there's a ton of knowledge in there. We don't expect everybody to retain all of it. I mean, we kind of went back and forth with Brian at Road Aware about how much of the physics we should put in it.

Like we were talking about earlier and i feel like we got a good mix there you know it's not a textbook but it's not a cakewalk either i mean you got to pay attention yeah when i took it i've never taken studied any physics you know and is you know his approach came across of you know what i needed to get out of the equation yep that was great you know it's not yeah it's not it shouldn't be intimidating you know i got to take this course got physics in it you know

that's yeah it's not I'm from Louisiana. We don't have physics. I didn't take it that way at all, you guys. I mean, the diagrams, the, you know, the, you know, center to gravity, all that kind of stuff. You know, I, I mean, I understood it, but it made more sense because that's what you're doing. And I told Dave, you know, through the years, you know, you see a rollover and you're like, okay, why didn't the guy stop sooner?

Why didn't he feel that? Why didn't he step on the brakes? Why didn't he do that? And you guys have break down a lot of that. I told Dave, there's a ton of videos in there that, and you even make the statement that the driver doesn't realize it. And the videos show that the trailer's already tipped over and the truck doesn't know anything. Yep. You know, the tractor is flat or, or it hasn't realized what the trailer's doing.

So the driver is unaware of it, you know, but also in my experience, we, to tell a quick story, we went back to a testing grounds for Michelin tires and they were testing the wide base tires. And they asked us to go a certain speed into the corners with this truck. And when I drove the truck and the, and the, the, they had a. Director or teacher with you, he's like, okay, I want you to go 55 miles an hour. I want you to hold the pedal.

I want you to do this. When I got to the first corner, I couldn't do it. You guys, I, I let off the fuel. Yeah. And, uh, cause it just didn't feel right. And that's the situation that I, when you talk about the guys driving their cars and their trucks, I don't think they have a feel of that. And I don't know where I got that, but I'm like, I can't do it. And the guy was like, don't worry.

It won't tip over. and it doesn't but it's right bullshit i don't care what you're telling me you know i don't trust you i trust me i'm getting some breaks yeah right and dave went and did the same things he's like that was pretty weird wasn't it and i'm like yeah so i i guess there's a there's a feel that you need to develop for drivers too that i i would you know everybody listening to this that you have to if you've been to that scary piece you can't go there anymore and you guys talk about

it in And the training too, of being on the edge, you know, you're always driving on the edge and not a, not a good place.

Yeah. And the, and the difference between Brian talk, we talked about this last week in a meeting he was saying, cause he's the engineer and the physicist, he said in a, in a passenger vehicle, you reach a certain, I think it's 0.3 G's where it becomes uncomfortable, where it'll move you in your seat. And in a passenger vehicle, like in a Canyon, you're willing to slide a little bit in your seat. Because it doesn't raise any alarms because you know that capability.

He said, when you're way up in a rig based on the height and the weight and, you know, the way they're built and the way you sit in the seat, he said, by the time you reach any level of discomfort in that seat, it's too late. That's too late. Good. I bet. Yeah. Wow. Good. Really interesting. Makes perfect sense. Yeah. You know, so much of this has to do with being engaged in your job. Yeah. You know, and we run into that a lot and I, I'm going to butcher Joe. What, what did you do for 28 years?

I know you said risk assessment, but financial. Financial risk. Financial risk. I basically, I fixed broken trades for 11. Okay. All right. So, so in that trade did for 28 years, how many people did you run into that, that for them, that was a J-O-B. And what I mean is they showed up, they were there on time, they did their job. Quite a few. But it was, but it was at a low level, I guess I'll say, right? The majority.

You have a few shining stars and then, and you have a lot of people who are there to. And if that were the case in, in that world, how many people would they be around that would die or would be killed? That's a great point. None. Right. So, so their level of risk or that company's level of risk was very low. Right. Right. Our level of risk is incredible.

It's absolutely phenomenal and the thing with these these I call them ballistic verdicts not not nuclear nuclear right yeah we're in a world that is upside down right now yep. Doesn't make sense. Yeah. You hear some of these verdicts, you know, I don't know if you guys are subscribers to the CCJ, the. Yeah, I read that every day. I mean, did you read the Wabash settlement last week and the Warner trucking one two years ago or a year and a half? These are mind boggling settlements.

Yeah. Right. And the world is upside down. That Wabash settlement, those two drivers were drunk. Yeah. Double the legal limit without seat belts on. Right. And it's Wabash's fault. Right. Right. What flipping world are we living in? So we have to take the training. We have to take every driver's ability and elevate it beyond the sense of this can't be a J-O-B.

We need to prove beyond the shadow of a doubt, you did your pre-trip this morning, or you did your post-trip last night, or those brakes were in adjustment, or I didn't have an air leak. You know what I mean? in whatever the case may be, because no matter what, Frank Azar's by the millions are standing out there in every state wanting to sue a trucking company. Right. Yeah. You know, I mean, it's- And they never go to court anyways. They just settle

out of court. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Because it's all about the dollars. It is. Yeah. They didn't fix the problem if there was a problem. Right. Right. So now we need a driver that we need to convince you can't just be average here. You need to be shining star. Yeah. I think that the aim is no complacency. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Yes. Wonderful. No complacency. And total compliance. Yes. You know, I mean, you need to be, you need to be airtight.

Yes. And even that to your point is not enough sometimes. Right. Right. And yet on the other hand, we are a business, Joe. We, we, we have to, and we're, we're, we're seasonal to a degree right here in Colorado. We, we don't haul the same volumes in December and January and February that we do in June, July, and August. So we, we claim we need to make hay while the sun shines, right? I mean, it is seasonal. We do push in the summer. We have to do it legally.

Yep. But we still have to, you know, go get more loads. We have to be on the road longer hours. We do those things more, you know, and it's, it's, it's. I don't know that the reward is worth the risk when you really break it down. Yeah. You know what I mean? And I don't know at what point that is going to, at some point, I mean, it's breaking companies all the time, every day right now. Right. Right. Small business is going away. The federal government is making sure of that.

Yeah. They want government control, not small business control. So, I mean, there's a lot of things going on. But yeah, I mean, back to that driver and his responsibility or her responsibility, it's, it's beyond comprehension almost sometimes, right? It can almost mind boggle you a little bit and you can't let it weigh you down. You have to look at a list and go, all right, I did this pre-trip. I did this post-trip. I'm in control. We're in good shape. I'm going trucking. Right.

This is going to be fun again. You know what I mean? So yeah, there's just, there is a lot of peril out there compared to any other job. And, or I shouldn't say any other job, of course, you know, policemen, fire, nurses, doctors, they carry lives in their hands. Oh yeah. But I don't think the average person when he, when he or she starts out in the trucking industry realizes I could kill somebody. But then I think the other side of it is the constant driver shortage.

It's 60,000, the turnover, you know, the guys, girls run a year or two and then just decide it's not for me. It's too high stress. Right. You know, and then we got that constant churn, you know, so that's always in the background too. Sure.

I don't know how many drivers are there with CDLs. 3 million. 2.3 million. 2.3. And all of them need to take mountain training. They do. I would agree. They do. Well, and that's kind of to your point. I mean, it doesn't help with the nuclear verdicts, but we have talked with insurance companies about potentially offering a rebate.

If you take this training, another thing that has come up is, is let's say we have a fleet that takes our mountain training course and they have an accident and they go to court and they tell the lawyers that they took this mountain training course. Okay. And then whatever happens happens. Well, the next case, there's a term for this that a lawyer would know, and I can't remember what it is, but the next case that comes up, there's a, there's a rack precedence.

They say, did you take this mountain training course? Yes or no. Yes or no. If they did, then that's a plus. If they didn't, well, why didn't you? Sure. Again, it's a business and obviously we want to get enrollees, but I go back to the goal of saving lives. Our partners in Phoenix, Brian, he's a retired two-time Fortune 500 CEO engineer and he is doing this for the greater good. And he, he has turned me into a believer.

That is great. At first I said, yeah, maybe we can, you know, make some money on this being finance guy. But, but after being really immersed with these guys and seeing where they're coming from, it's turned, I mean, it's a calling. We really believe we can help. That is fantastic. Fantastic. Yeah. I want to bring up the ELDT training. Did you guys have to go through any of that? I missed it. I already got my CDL. I'm just wanting to compare that.

You know, I just feel like, you know, that's a good basic coverage for class A combination, but ours is really kind of a grad school class, you know, but this is just as needed, I think, if not more. Sure. I took the ELDT training as part of my training. And And when I was creating this course, when I was creating the, the kind of the, the foundation of the course, there was a lot of, a lot of graphics and cartoons and actors and all this stuff available to build a course with.

And I said, no, this needs to be black and white, straight ahead, bland. It needs to look, feel, taste like a government course. You know, it needs to be straightforward. We don't need any, any, any cute graphics, any of that kind of stuff. We need information in, information out, because it is a very sober, direct topic. So that's a requirement as of when? ELDT is a requirement as of. February of 22. Yeah. And that's a really, that's a, that, I mean, that's a six hour course.

Yeah. For the driver. So you have to take that. Yeah. You should take it before. For a CDL driver. You should take it before you start basic training, but you definitely have to have it done within the government system before you go in for your skills test. Yeah. So, I mean, like I send our people over to Excel to test out. Okay. So, it's like entry level or basic. They have to have that online course finished before they can test. Entry level driver training.

Okay. But like I said, it just covers the basics. I'd like to rewind a little bit. How did you guys hook up with Brian in Arizona? And tell us a little bit more about Road Aware. where it looked like there's an app and it tells you if you're going too fast for a corner. Scott's got the app here. We'll fire it up. So I was at a CMCA safety meeting last year, and the guy standing next to me wasn't talking to anybody, and I got to talk to somebody.

I said, hey, how's it going? I'm Joe, CDL 303. I'm new. And he said, I'm Garth from RotoWare Safety Systems, and he told me a little bit about their app. It is an app. They mapped 400,000 data points in North America and put them all into this app. So in real time, you put in the make, model, engine, weight, the type of load you're carrying into the app. And then it tells you in real time, you've got a curve coming up based on your weight and everything.

You should be going 22 miles per hour. If you're going over that, it'll give you recommended speeds. It'll give you a warning if you're going too fast. It'll tell you what, how to take descents. It's pretty amazing stuff, but that's what they're working on. And he told me all about it. And I said, we're thinking about creating a mountain training course. Your, your app would be perfect. For our, for our driver training. And he said, oh, we, you're a school.

He said, we only worked with, with fleets. And I said, oh, okay, well, here's my card. Nice to meet you. Take it easy. About a month later, he called me and he said, my boss wants to meet you. And I said, okay. So a few days later, Brian Bullock came into town and we sat down and, and hit it off. Talked for like two and a half hours about mountain training and about a vision. And he said, well, he said, I want to create a mountain training program and integrate our app.

He said, and you've got a school and you're my school and we're going to do this together. Sweet. And that, and off it went. So, so the, the program itself, it's not just the online training. It's a four tiered training for fleets where you have the online training, you have road wear app in cab.

Like we were talking about earlier they can look at driver behavior and characteristics they can do any assessments if anything goes wrong and then we also take fleet trainers at our facility and, they work with scott scott takes at most three at a time run them up over leveling pass to silver thorn and then back down the hill a couple of days so you can see how it works and then they do it themselves on the third day get an assessment that goes back to their fleet

and then they go back and train their people as another piece of it.

So in the trainer, train the trainer. So, so we have a kind of a full suite and then the training itself, we've got the primary course, which you take, and then we have 24 hour refresher, a seven day refresher, a 30 day, a 60 day, a 90 day, just to keep it fresh. A lot of research on retention. If you take the course and you don't do anything else, you retain 20% of it. If you take the course and you have just the tiniest refresher 24 hours later, you retain about 60%.

If you have another refresher seven days out, just the way your brain works, you will retain 80% of what was in that course. So that's why we've got it kind of spread out like that. And then, you know, just to add value, the, the courses further down the line, it's, it's more just a quick crash analysis of maybe, you know, a case study of something that's happened. Uh, but again, just to put it back in the front of the driver's mind. You know, like I said, these guys are engineers.

They did a lot of research on, on the best way for drivers to retain the information, not just here's the training churn through it. Right. We'll check the box and move on with our lives. It's not like that. This This is really a hope that people will retain as much of the information as possible and make them safer drivers. Right. And we're throwing around the idea of turning it, splitting it in two for spring, summer, and then a fall, winter session.

So I don't know, maybe we can turn this into a focus group and later talk about it, see what you guys would think.

Yeah. Just ideas floating around. It was just a recommendation from one of our guys. I mean, the seasonal challenge in Colorado is huge.

Huge yeah right yeah yeah i'm working on a on a winter refresher right now it'll be a standalone course that we're gonna we're gonna blast out to everybody at the end of well i need to get it done i'm the i'm the guy and there's nobody for me to blame but right i've got all the data but i'm gonna create a course which will probably i would say be out in the next two weeks which is winter's coming here's chain up procedures here's pre-trip and post-trip here's how mountain weather works here's

how crosswinds can affect your truck right we have all that stuff in there uh just as a refresher that's you know for anybody who wants to take it it really gets our our stuff out there and and it's a lot of great information you know that is great there's just a lot of stuff out there yeah they they had a chaining video in there that somebody did or the company the chain company did and it was a good video.

I think, you know, unless, cause I, I did honestly guys, I tried to, I wanted to see how good it was or how, what my knowledge was. So I was trying to go through with it, which you, you couldn't because there was so many facts you needed to read it, which I liked it. I backed up, I read it, you know, and, and if I didn't know the fact, the, the other thing with the chaining that, that, you know, if you were, if you were looking at it, you guys, is we have the guys run the truck just too fast.

Know, chained up and they either wear the chains out or they throw the chains and there needs to be a little bit of concentration on that, that you're chained up, you can do really well, but don't go over 25 miles an hour, 30 miles an hour. That's a great, I agree. You know, in 2025. Yeah, 2025 and, and, you know, Colorado, you know, we've been, as long as we've been driving, okay, they threw the chain law up, but I got bare pavement.

Yeah. Well, if I go up five or six more miles, I needed my chains, but then I need to take them back off realistically five or six miles later. But the chain law's up. But the chain law's up. So we're running 12 miles of chained dry pavement. Yeah. You know, ruining our chains. Yeah. But you, you have to eat that and just slow down. Don't tear up the chains. Don't throw them off. You know, don't tear up, you know, for us, we run a front fender where we can beat the hell out of the

fender. We try to change just the back axle. So, but a little bit of concentration on that, but I, I would do that for your winter is, is definitely a chain up piece, which you said you were going to do. And, and, you know, it's just, I think it's scary for drivers that are certain. I got to chain up. I, I, I got to do that. Yeah. It's scary. And not having the right clothes. You got to have full winter gear to do that. Right. And be comfortable and not be rushed.

Right. We talk about that. Yeah. That's the one problem with that video is it's a sunny day and that guy's in a t-shirt. Yeah. But that's a, that was a, we reviewed a lot of different chain of videos and that was, that was just the best one. Yeah. Yeah. And then you're going to learn the real way the first time. Right. Right. You're going to be like, Oh, I don't remember my hands for him.

Right. I didn't know I'd get so wet. Yeah. Years ago, you guys, we had a tandem delivery up in Golden and the driver was an older gentleman and he, he, I don't even know how he got up there and he made the delivery, but he's like, I'm too scared to come down. I, I can't come down. And at that time we didn't carry chains and, and I'm, I'm pretty sure it was like a spring day and, you know, we hadn't had any snow, but there was still, the roads were snow packed in, in, in everything.

The shaded spots. Yeah. Oh yeah. And it was a dirt road. Yeah. It has a nice dirt patch and then a shaded spot. And you're like, that's a lot of ice. Yeah. That's a pretty steep fall. Yeah. And we get up there and we're like, ah, we'll just chain him up, you know. But it was switchbacks and tight enough that you'd have to go slow enough that a few of the spots you'd fall between a chain because you'd have your brakes on.

Right. Going so slow. So slow that you'd fall between a group of chains, braked, and you'd just start to slide. And you'd go, oh, I got to let off the brake. You know what I mean? to get the tire, to get the chain to crash. Yeah. You know, and it was probably, otherwise chaining up, you're, you're a tank, you know, you can go just about any place pretty safely, but that, that was an experience. That'd be like, ah, I didn't like that. First time I chained up was Donner Pass there at Tahoe.

Didn't know anything about their minimum maximum chain laws if it's so bad they'll have maximum so you gotta have chains on the trailer and on the drives yeah luckily it was a minimum chain up a steer as well yeah yeah the steers too and i always wondered all the times i drove through there even before i had a truck i always wonder why 80 was cupped out and it's because of those chains it's just digging it out right yeah guys what's your hope and dreams for cdl 303,

Being able to pay for college. You know, I mean, it sounds cliched, but it's a lofty goal, getting everybody home safe and sound to their families every night. Amen. Whether you're in a truck or you're in a car or you're on a bike or whatever you're doing, if we can advance that goal, then that's what we're here for. Love it. Love it. Hey, and a little bit off the subject, you guys, but because you'll, you'll see more people than we ever will in companies than we ever will.

And we don't know if it's because of the, the new law for the motorcycles being able to split lanes. Yeah. But we've had what, four motorcycle accidents where the, where the motorcycle splitting lanes either too fast or too slow. And, and, and the motor, not our fault, not the other, the motorcycle crashes.

I mean, they've literally bounced off of us. Yeah. And I, I just, for me to help people, if you guys could keep that in mind for some of your classes and some of your companies, this, because the motorcycle it's gotten out of control. Yeah. And I know, you know, a month from now, but you know, we won't, won't be riding bikes. Right. But yeah, it's, it's a serious deal.

People have motorcycle guys have taken that law to it. Yeah. And it scares the hell out of you if you're sitting in traffic. Oh yeah. Yeah. We were talking about that the other day because there was a guy actually

out here on Quebec. Yeah. Was a backup at one of the lights and i'm sitting there minding my own business and i mean just yeah yeah exactly you know scott's a motorcyclist too yeah yeah they're not they're not using the law correctly well they're not well the colorado law is you traffic has to be stopped right they're not doing right they're not doing that well some of them may be but the ones that are crashing our we witness they're not doing

that well that guy hit that rear that trailer that flatbed right over.

Here on quebec i ran across that news story that was earlier this summer man he ate it yeah yeah we just had a guy try to pass us and calabrese we were out of light and he came in and bounced off the calabrese steer tire bounced into our drive tires okay and then bounced back into the front of the calabrese truck yeah yeah and the calabrese truck did a good great job he stopped otherwise he would have just ran over it wow i mean human human pinball machine yes yeah exactly we had

another one do the same thing it's just driving down i-70 and made a right hand turn right into a fedex truck just split the lane yeah and scott you you know with you driving all the time or whatever having your own truck you know when you curb something you leave a pretty good black mark on your tires right oh yeah rookie rings all that kind of stuff yeah when that motorcycle crashed we he left a big old black mark in our tires had a rookie

ring on the drive i mean how hard did you hit that yeah yeah to leave that mark and right yeah and then luckily the motorcycle guy was all right we have pictures of the bike which was destroyed but he's like i'm good if you guys are good we can go and the other driver was like no. Nice try buddy yeah do you guys have any more questions or anything you want to add uh in regards to cdl 303 before we move on i just want to thank y'all for having us this yeah and this has been great we

really appreciate it and and we appreciate the partnership for safety absolutely thank you for joining us yeah and helping us be better yeah don't go anywhere yet unless you gotta go we weren't saying goodbye yeah i'd like to i'd like to keep it part of the announcements you know for maybe new listeners for us that that you guys are available to do this i think it's important and i absolutely i don't think.

Taken quite a few tests and i i enjoyed yours guys really because thank you there's some out that are just stupid yeah i mean yeah you're not gonna yeah now this is all coming from the heart and experience yeah it was definitely a good course yeah yeah our goal is to you know get up local companies like you to pick it up and get this groundswell of you know this is the way we do it in colorado and let other people out of

state you know pick it up yeah you know we got to set the standard it's a different ball game and we got to let them know yes we do and i mean that that's our that's kind of always our goal you know along with safety and everything else when we talk about that that groundswell is trucking has such a bad reputation yeah and we we need to change it needs better pr yes you know yeah i mean we're we have you know we i've said it

a hundred times and everybody listening to the podcast gets probably tired of me saying it, but. You know, we, we go through a gate in and out of one of our job sites, 10,000 times, you know, we hit it once and we're like all over it. We're like, oh my God, the end of the world, you know, what was the driver thinking, everything else. But we never really, we tell everybody, we never really mentioned on the 10,000

times we went through the gate, never touched it. Yep. You know, and that's the amazing part. And we have amazing people. There's amazing truck drivers out there doing a great job, but it's these few that, you know, you guys need to get trained to make us better. Yeah. And, and, you know, the crashes we've had, they're horrific and you look at the basis of them and there's no training. Yeah. So yeah. Congratulations, you guys. Thank you. Thank you. Good stuff.

Well, coming up in our what's next section.

First day of fall is this sunday the 22nd i already got leaves falling in my house right yeah yep and then uh you know what that means if the leaves are falling that means they're changing all the leafers are going to be out watch out on top of like kenosha pass those people will stop right in the road to to get a look at the leaves so yeah we'll get that more of that friday traffic too you know and if we're running on a saturday you know running up past fries and up by 70 all All the leafers,

you know, and then we'll start with the ski traffic. So you're right, Jim. Questions from the audience. Had one come in from Jack O'Quendo-Mahee. He's got two questions. Number one, now that fall and winter is right around the corner, are the Utah runs going to be the majority work through the winter besides the local work and snow removal to keep us going? Yes, absolutely. All of the above, right? All of the above, yeah. But definitely 45 loads a week coming out of Utah. So yeah, that'll help.

Absolutely. Yeah, and a lot of them will be like I mentioned earlier, be a direct ship, you know, not only going up to 88th. And yeah, we're looking forward to this winter. Did we ever get the contract signed? We did. We did. Somebody else asked me. Yeah, it's signed. We're in it, you know. The loads might vary a little bit because of the direct ship and what's running up there. And, you know, there's always that piece. If we have a bad winter, man, it's going, we're going to be busy, busy.

If we have, you know, a so-so winter, we'll, we'll have what they, what they promised. Yeah. Well, if we have a so-so winter, the other work will keep us busy. Exactly. Absolutely. Exactly. I mean, we're, I mean, we, we did this for a year, signed the contract for a year. We're excited to see how the year works out where, and then that gives us the

availability of, of tweaking it a little bit. But hey, we need more money or we need to do it this way or we need to do less loads, more loads, whatever. There's a whole possibility. And to build a relationship with Envirotech, you know, it's important.

But again, we have to bring customer satisfaction. You know, we're hauling salt when we usually haul rock and sand. You know, trailers have to be clean. These guys are sitting here today talking about safety and mountain driving. Hey, that's all mountain driving. I don't know if anybody can get to Utah without going through the mountain. Well, you can, you can go 80 and around, but.

Still mountains on 80. Yeah. So we're, we're, we're in it to win it and we're, we're digging deep and Jack, we're, we're excited. Yeah. And it's going to be an evolution, right? We've already ran it a little bit and we've already been tweaking it and changing it and adjusting it and where we stay and how all that works. And yeah, it's, it's going to be huge. And I, I want to emphasize, we all have to do it.

We can't just lay it down on 45 trucks it's got to be across the fleet yeah i mean everybody's got to take their their turn and go do it you know and it's make it fun this is a fun job if we can have a good time and still be safe i gotta say when i took that load of pipe from fort morgan down to farmington new mexico i was like oh i get to do wolf creek right i was looking forward to Yeah, that's awesome. Second question from Jack. My second question is for Brother Dave.

Will there be another backup challenge at the main yard, like the one we had where we back up from the main shop all the way to the back lot with no pull-ups to win more money? Did Jack win? Did Jack do it with no pull-ups? I think he did. Okay. Well, that just sounds like a money question.

Jack, just come see me later. I'll give you 20 bucks from brother Dave but he sounds comfortable that he can win the money yeah maybe it needs to be a bigger challenge actually Jack I got a push up challenge for you. Sounds like sports betting carryover. This other account isn't doing so well. Safety topic of the week. Protect your turn lane with your trailer. Do not open it up as vehicles will take that lane, which has proven to have been super dangerous.

So, perfect example, you know, we talk about button hook or what was the other name of that? I was trying to think of it. Jug hook? Jug hook or something like that? J-hook. J-hook. Yeah, yeah. Don't swing out in the lane. Yeah. Stay straight.

Turn late. wait stay straight i like that stay straight what about what about move over completely to the left lane and make a right turn no hell no we're joking about that but unfortunately a motorcyclist just lost his life on highway 85 last week really we caught it on our dash cam really yeah so and i can only say what i assume i saw in the video allegedly right i don't want to make a permanent statement here but it looked like that truck was in the

left lane completely making a right hand turn motorcycle came up to the back of them and was like oh why is this guy going so slow busted to the right guy turned to get the motorcyclist went under the low boy yeah yeah yeah so that just now if you guys have any of the dash cam stuff we'd really like to take a look at and see if we could use it in our course if that'd be okay oh yeah we have several hits videos how We have highlights and then jam named low lights. Yeah. How much time you got?

Yeah, that's one of my jobs is finding material online. Sadly, there's a ton of it. I'll hook you up. Yes. On that crash, Jim, I want to throw out there that I think, For me as a driver, as a long-term driver, I think what that other driver probably did is something he's done all the time. And I don't know how many times I've come to an intersection where, you know, I'm going to assume nobody's around me, but it's a tight intersection.

And you get to where it's easy where I don't have to worry about dropping that, you know, hitting the curb or dropping the trailer in the ditch. And I know he was pulling a longer trailer than normal, you know, so he swung out and you swing out.

It makes it easy on you you're not you know you're not facing or hitting the oncoming traffic on your right turn right i mean you've eliminated all that and it looks smooth but it's also it's dangerous you you've opened up that area for somebody to come up beside you you hit them or or in this case the motorcycle zipped in beside us but not beside us beside the truck well beside side us because we're truckers, right? Right.

And lost his life, but that's not the way that turn's supposed to be done. It's the easy way to make that turn, but it's not the proper way. I think the hard thing to swallow about watching that is we've all done that a thousand times. That's what I mean, Dave. You know, and, and, you know, the statement was, I looked around, no one was around. And I think at the time no one was around. Yeah. Right. And I don't think the motorcycle was speeding, but I don't know. Right.

We don't, we're all talking about speculation. We know there was an accident. Yeah. Right. Between a truck and a motorcycle at this point. There's an accident this morning out there on highway 85. I don't have any details yet, but yeah. Yeah. Our guys called it incident. Yeah. Really? Yeah. And it just, yeah. I think the point we're trying to drive home is even if you think no one's around, do the right thing. Oh yeah. Right. You know, I, I, I love your, your comment. If you'd say it again,

stay, what? What? Oh, stay straight.

Stay straight, turn late. I love that. Every turn. Yeah. I love that. That roll in my head, yep. You know, and I think some of the things we run into... When you're driving, I think we just get in a hurry sometimes. We just don't have the patience. You know what took that away from me was using GPS. It told me there's no reason to rush. Wow, that's a good point. There's no reason. You're not going to get there any sooner with this 80,000 pounds.

Yeah, good point. It's not. You're just not going to do it. I love that. Yeah. You should teach a driving school. Yeah.

There's an example of a train. example in a train in the training of a of a wreck at a mine and in arizona and the driver was coming down the incline and he was going and i would have to look it up but i want to say he was doing 10 to 15 miles per hour over what the recommended speed was and had he made it to the bottom going too fast he wrecked it had he made it to the bottom he would have saved 2.5 minutes Two minutes, 30 seconds. Right. That's right. Just by, just that little. Sure.

Do it the right way. Yeah. You're not saving any time. Right. You know? Yeah. And if I have it right too, that incident, that truck crashed into one of the settling ponds. Right. At the mine, 15 feet of water and the driver and the passenger luckily were okay so they could climb out and swim to safety. Wow. So 2.5 seconds and not two minutes, 2.5 minutes, it wouldn't have had to deal with any of that. Yep. Yeah. But the chances of them being okay and then swimming to safety,

I'm just like, man. Yeah. Yeah. Crazy. Tips and tricks from Ray Davis. Doing the small things in life to set you up for success. The small things can be just doing your job, checking it twice. It's just a couple of minutes that can save you hours and put money in your pockets. Leaving the yard and starting your day on time on a good note. Leaving the yard late puts stress on you because you feel behind.

This makes you rush and rushing leads to stress. And being in a hurry, that can just make a bad day or even worse, an accident. That was just a good segue we just had i'm telling you what instead by the way ray sent this to me last week it was like we got done with the podcast he sent me another thank you ray tricks yeah.

Instead live on time and be cadillac and for a great productive day so with that being said when we pull into the yard many will bump their tires in the fuel island fuel up park and go home it's crazy we have flat tires every morning and some days on multiple trucks or even three I know it is possible that you had a screw or nail in your tire when you pull in to fuel up and you have that minute to bump your tires and now that screw

or nail is in the bottom so you don't see or hear it leaking and you think it's good. Then you park, it's on top and you just jump out and leave and when you come in the next morning you have a flat. Yes, it happens, but let's be better and show that we are better. Better let's bump them twice and catch a nail a screw before we leave at night and get it fixed before we come in the next morning i took it as a challenge that we have no flat tires in the mornings.

Don't know about you, but hearing Dave and Jim constantly having to say something about flat tires in the morning gets old and it's a simple thing to check and should not happen. You know, this is the only company where the owners care and they're always constantly putting money back into us with raises, bigger percentage bumps, better benefits and everything else they do for us.

So I believe we can give back by just doing our job and doing the simple things by bumping your tires twice, checking your truck twice. So I'm challenging you drivers, let's show them and make my job harder to write more tips and tricks that we are not, that we are on the same, excuse me, that are not on the same thing because we are too complacent and just overlook the simple things like checking twice. Hope all is well with the JFW friends, families, and listeners.

Remember, safety has no blind spots. Look and lean, sit up in your stool. Don't be a fool. It's better to be slow and safe than it is to be sorry much love and respect always ray ray the black sheep 0013 that was a great one that was awesome buddy ps. The ps didn't make our sheep did he just text you no at 5 36 this morning can you please add this to the podcast when you have a dead battery and need a jump let's help Up out the mechanics and take the battery cover off.

If you have a flat tire, take the lug nut covers off. If you get a check engine light on, please call the shop first and have them check it and let them make the call to do a key reset. Do not turn your truck off. Let the shop make that call because you could shut the engine off and that will kill your four-hour window to keep going. Let's show them that we appreciate them and help them out. Remember, it's the little things that help.

So great. That's good. Yeah. Great. Next week, I need you to write the whole outline. He's on fire right now. He is. He's great. That was a great one. So you want to hit us with that high road hauler? Sure. All right. This, this one is about changing the world. And I know everybody's worried about changing the world. So this is an old quote. I bet you everybody's heard it before. Be the change you want to see in the world. A quote attributed to Mahatma Gandhi.

He believed advocates of social change need to encourage others by their own example. I know we're a group of truck drivers not really interested in sweeping changes in society, but we are primarily interested in living, loving, and being comfortable and happy.

However, we do run into things. We see people that we feel are rude, inconsiderate, discriminating, dangerous, and just plain wrong. We encounter these actions everywhere. We see people doing these questionable things in the stores, schools, on the road, virtually everywhere. We read or see in the news atrocities being committed at home against people, animals, strangers, and families. People are heard saying, what is this world coming to?

Truth be told, there have been wrongs committed against humankind by our brothers since the dawn of time. Our modern era has just magnified this to a point that is almost intolerable. To a person, we see and hear about things that touch our moral core, and somehow we wish we could change that story, or what we see and make it right. Each of us can make a difference in a way we think and act, and affect those around us.

Create change in our own world, with our family at home, at work, and in our community. Consider doing those small things that are kind, helpful, loving, or just the right thing to do. Spread the positive energy. We can begin today by letting that car into traffic, by holding the door open for a person behind us, by paying it forward whenever we can. By never disrespecting anyone and treating others as we wish to be treated. Every small thought or action can make a difference.

Just think if everyone did just one kind act every day, what a positive difference it would make in the world. Choose to be positive instead of negative. Choose good over evil. Make the point to respect, help, teach, involve, encourage, and love others today. Be the change you want to see in the world. There you have it. Amen. That's awesome. Thanks, Dave. That was awesome. Final thoughts, everybody?

Mine's pretty simple this week. I ran across this one. It costs a candle nothing to light another candle. I like that. And I just, I just thought, man, it's pretty deep if you think about it, but a lot of truth there. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Or, or kind of surface, just help somebody. Right. That's right. It costs you nothing. Yeah. Nothing. You know, it doesn't cost that candle a bit of light.

Boom, right there in your face. Yeah. I have something from a great college coach and I'm just going to play it because he says it so much better than I do. But before I do that, I just want to remind everyone that we're less than 50 days from a vote on Tuesday, November 5th. And if anyone needs help getting registered, I'm more than happy to help you register to vote. So just a fresh reminder on that. We will vote for you if you want.

And then hopefully I can do this with my phone here and it won't be on our life. You know, we can be bad at what we do. I mean, we can be average at what we do. I mean, we can be good at what we do, which probably is God's expectation for whatever ability he gave us. Or we can be excellent or we can be elite. And everybody has a choice as to what they want to do and how they want to do that. But if you're going to be excellent or elite, you've got to do special things.

You have to have special intensity. You have to have special focus.

You have to have a special commitment and drive and passion to do things at a high level and a high standard all the time. And it doesn't matter what God-given ability that you have. That probably can make you good. But without the rest of it, I'm not sure you ever get excellent or elite. And we have about five choices in our life. That's it. Yeah. Man, Nick Saban, you bring me in here. I'm an LSU guy, and you bring in Bama's most winning coach. All right, Joe, let's go. I'm kidding.

He won a national championship at LSU. you. So now that he's retired, I can like him again. That's funny. Do you take anything for, Yeah, that's awesome. No, that's a great quote. That's fantastic. I mean, we've never quoted a Democrat up on this podcast. Hey, not true. Not true. Ask not what you can do for your country. Oh, yeah. Okay. There you go. Yeah. He was different. He was. Yeah. Yeah. That's funny. Ask not what you're, I said it backwards.

I think that was back when everybody was concerned about how great a country we could be, not how great they can be. Right, right. Do you guys have any final thoughts? Once again, thank you so much. Yeah, thank you. It's a pleasure to meet you, and you have a great organization and great leadership, and I think your focus on safety and on creating a culture for your company, this looks like a great place to work. And I can't tell you how important that is.

And it's not just how wild is it it's partly the second donut mess with my head a little bit.

But but yeah no it's it's just great to for y'all to welcome us in and see what what kind of business you have it's just amazing thank you thank you and we like you know i said earlier we appreciate you guys being here and yeah and wish you all the luck because i think it's important what you're doing thank you and i know you you we didn't talk in depth but you know the road of war or a wear, excuse me, safety system. So that's important to look into that, that app and stuff.

So that's a good piece of it. But yeah, thank you guys.

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