Hi everybody. It's me Katie asaurus. Yes, hi. Hello miss me a good and welcome back to infinite slick. West, nailed it. I did. The thing was really good that we do when we do panels and stuff that was that was really good. But we didn't do the dance. I didn't do the dance and yes I did. Oh yeah, you not see it. I totally did a whole dance. Just totally did it. Yeah, I did a whole. The backflip is the hardest part.
My favorite. About this week's episode of infinite Quest is that neither of us wants to be recording this but we're just doing it for the sake of the other person. What do you mean? How do you figure? What do you mean? It's so tired. I just want to go digging now. I'm exhausted as well. It's now a hell of a last couple space-boat Quest. Craft is now live. Yep, here's our first up. Is - yeah. My first episode is now on YouTube. I wouldn't be mad.
Dear listener if you want to go. Listen to or watch it I guess you watch it. Don't you? You watch it with your eyeballs. Yeah, right. Right. Watch her. Not a listener. You want to go? Follow? What we're while we're doing plugs. Gonna go follow you. My document, which is well, yeah, youtube.com slash Katie Soros youtube.com slash. Hey, dude. Seriously, it really helped us out Missouri. What are we supposed to be talking about? Come on procrastination, Katie, I don't.
Can we do it later? Yeah, that's fine, cool. Well, no, no we go. Well, I just learned as I was looking up stuff for this episode, that the word procrastination comes from, the Latin prose. Crustiness which means of Tomorrow of Tomorrow the task of tomorrow for the task of tomorrow that sounded way better. That sounds way better. Like if I'm like procrastinator, like I'm doing something bad but if I'm like no this is a task of Tomorrow.
Skip too much, that's how I'm going to listen to somebody. I over, I feel like I overheard this or something like that, but there is some Parables fables, something like that, where the devil took the form of a crow that would fly in the sky and say tomorrow tomorrow tomorrow. Then the hero of the story shot.
The crow and said today, I think about that all the time, that's like an Arnold Schwarzenegger moment, but today, it's like, there's like a bad guy and then he's like, no today, your day ice to meet you. Do you know who else is tomorrow? Tomorrow tomorrow, is that Macbeth? Does he really, that's really funny joke. Really like, for people, does he
really say tomorrow? Yeah, he says, tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow, Creeps in this Petty Pace from day to day, to the last syllable of recorded time, and all our Yesterday. Okay, that's fine. I'll stop. I'll stop. That's it wasn't so much of a joke just to statement, and it's just he just ditch what he says. When Lady Macbeth dies. Oh yeah. Spoilers well, I mean the play is 400 years old. It's seen it yet. It's okay. I'll tell you, I'll take you to see a good production of Macbeth
will be read. It was his sled by the way isn't was may get Macbeth was at sled. Yes, the name of the sled was Macbeth the name of the sled was. Yeah. And actually weirdest thing it turned out that Macbeth could just see dead people. Because he was dead. The whole cool, Bruce, Willis joke. Yeah, was released topically relevant. I was really solid. That's good. Thank you. Well, I'm procrastinating currently Katie. Did you are procrastinating on an episode about
procrastination? No, we're doing that. We're initiating, we're doing that. I'm procrastinating on my first episode for hermit crab. Are you progressing eating? What's on your first episode of question? Because I wanted to be really good like our most listened-to up to episode of the podcast by far as the first one because I feel like people might like listen to an episode. Then go back and First one.
So I'm thinking like oh if Quest Craft goes the way that I am going to work very hard to ensure that it does then. The first episode is going to be when people go back to. Yeah, but I would point out Eric that, our first episode is terrible and people still listen. Well, actually that's fair, that's our first episode is very bad. Well, it's also like, you know, when you go to like a really successful tick talkers page and you like scroll for a half an hour to get to the very first
video that they posted ago. Oh, I do that. A weird amount on my page. Oh yeah. I guess notifications all the time on my very first ever video, which by the way, Is like me, I think lip-synching to like, a song from The Music Man or something. And that woman is music, man. It's the very long here. He comes music, man, but that's but that's like a whole thing where we're like that happens to me quite frequently. And I'm always, like, don't watch that one.
That's really bad. Well, so maybe it's okay the first episode. So like because it was so, Mike's, I think, Parker my relation to the procrastination and I think anybody's, I'm gonna go ahead and speak for everybody on the Earth. I think my relationship to procrastination is very much to do with explanation and excuses trying to figure out why I like, for example, with the Quest Craft episode, which I'm sorry, I don't mean to keep plugging, it's just what's going on in my life right now.
Like, my excuse was initially, like I it is. The first episode is going to be watched a lot if things go the way they want them to. So I have every right to wait or it would make sense for me to wait until I'm absolutely like I said this out loud to you. You have every right to wait. However long until I'm 100%. He's fine with it. But which is, I mean, that's not an invalid thought process, but it also has to be balanced with. Like I can't post it a year from
now. Yeah. So it has, there's has to be some sort of balance to it. And I think once, when you practice making excuses, you get really fucking good at it, which is hard. Let's sleep here. Okay. But I'm gonna challenge challenge challenge, challenge challenge, Gauntlet thrown. I don't think you're procrastinating. I think you're doing something different. Really, you're procrastinate.
I mean, I'm not trying to tell you how you feel, but like, the way that I see procrastination is like, you wouldn't be working on it at all, and but you've been working your, even hyper fixating on it because you're being a perfectionist, but I think that's different than procrastinating because procrastination would just be like, all finish it tomorrow. I'll finish it the next day, but you're like actively working super, super hard on it because you want it to be perfect.
Yeah, I don't think that's procrastination. Well, I hear you, I Feel you, but like, we'll have you heard the term procrastinate e. Yes, it's a word that I think about it. I was like, I like yes I have. It's a word that will acknowledge. I didn't get like, oh yes you have let me explain a little further for our dear listeners at home. Progressivity is when you do productive things such to avoid. One productive thing that you don't want to do.
So like if you have to do your taxes, so you clean your whole house instead of doing your taxes, to put it off. Like, you're not just sitting there not putting it out, you're doing stuff and so which it makes it much easier to excuse not doing the things they're like, hey, clean my hole? We'll just go Avail way of getting things done. Just pick one awful thing that you have to get done and put it off by doing all the other things.
But I feel like on some level I'm doing that like on a micro scale we're like I'm fixating on like a couple different shot transitions where it's like, dude you have an entire section you need to finish and I know I can't post until that whole section is done and so it's like if I just never get to that section because I'm perfecting this one. So like I don't think it's procrastination and I like I refuse to work on it. It's that I refuse to do that
refuse. I'm putting off doing Doing the parts of it that make it like done and postable. That make sense. I think setting something that really helped me up for grass. Procrastination is in this works variably but setting arbitrary like deadlines. Yeah just be like well and then telling somebody else.
Like I'm gonna post it by 9:00 today or whatever and then most of the time I don't have meeting that deadline but at least I still You know, the attempt was made, the attempt was made, it puts my brain determine thing like and also, just so we're on the same page with at least each other. I'm sure our listeners have different opinions on it, but like what does procrastination literally like, what does it
mean to you? I mean, Tomorrow and tomorrow, and tomorrow, Creeps in this Petty Pace from day to day to the last inning. When he said that, no, she should have died Hereafter there would have been a time for such a word. I'm sorry. Did you tomorrow? Did you? You know, Shakespeare, I do wow. But I think like honestly I really like I really like that as my summary is like because I know like Macbeth is talking about something different but oh I'm sorry. I thought you were just being
cool. You say it again because my dumb ass fuckin interrupted. You it's fine, I'm sorry. Failure is what happens is this guy runs in and he says the queen, my Lord is dead, and then Macbeth is like, oh well, she should have died Hereafter there would have been time for such a word tomorrow and then he goes into this beach, like so it's like and then he goes tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow, but I think like that's like well yeah it's is.
What is relationship outside? It's very sad, but like there would have been time for such a word tomorrow. Like that's a really good summation of how I view procrastination. And also I'm just really Lee. So excited that we just locked ourselves into the episode titled this early. And because normally, I have to panic and freak out about it, but it will just be called tomorrow tomorrow tomorrow. But like, for me, that's what it is. Is it's like, it's I have I
could do it today. I could, I could, I could absolutely do it today, and I could, you know, whatever it might be. Send the email do the church or whatever. But instead I'll just, I just go. Oh well, I'll do it tomorrow. And then tomorrow happens and something comes up, or sometimes it just go. Just do it tomorrow. And then tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow, Creeps in this Petty Pace from day to day to the last syllable
of recorded time. And so, it becomes this thing where that is, what procrastination means to me is like it's it's, it's a It's an active Choice. Like I do like I want to be very clear. I'm not judging procrastination. I don't think like, procrastination is like a moral failing but it is something that
I really struggle with. And I actively choose to procrastinate a lot because it's more comfortable, it's more comfortable and like not having to do it in the moment, or like not having to change tasks or not, having to feel like, I'm like, interrupting my day to send the email, but when you're like us and you get you, What do we get? 100 emails a day? Yeah, something like that. Like every single day it's really easy to drop the ball.
It's really easy to go old, do it tomorrow but then a hundred other emails. Come in Hot 100 other Discord messages come in and that one gets bumped to the bottom of the pile and so then you lose track of the tasks and you just don't do it at all. And so for me procrastination, I don't like defining procrastination. For me is like okay, I'll do it tomorrow but the feeling of procrastination? How procrastination? Feels I think that's a more interesting answer.
Because procrastination feels like failure and it feels like embarrassment and it feels like having to lie to your friends and it feels like your life is falling apart. Why can't? I just do it today? Why can't I just do it today? But a lot of times I don't or I can't or won't or whatever. And so it's frustrating like, I really, really get frustrated about procrastination. Yeah, I think I think it's important again not ascribe a moral failing to or moral quality to it.
Yeah. Or merely discussing procrastination. Just as an amoral concept concept. Yeah, and I agree, I think I think a lot of things that ADHD is do is in pursuit of perfection, which is strange, because we're known for making tiny thoughtless mistakes. It's like literally part of the diagnostic criteria. Yeah, but so much of it is in Pursuit. Perfection. And a lot of my procrastination comes from now is not the perfect moment. Later will be the perfect.
I'm waiting for the perfect moment. Spoiler alert, there's no such goddamn thing. Like will. For example, we could have a gym membership. Katie to remember that, I would gym membership. You have a gym membership and we kept saying, we keep talking about when we're going to go to gonna go to the gym. And you said today, I think we were on a walk. And you said when we're ready, you figure like we can your life. All right we'll go and watch until we're ready to go to the
gym. I was like well we're never going to be ready to go to. We're just going to keep shifting. What ready means, you know, whenever you have to just do it when you're not ready. I think one of the great greatest remedies to procrastination, not that I have it all figured out, I am a dreadful procrastinator is accepting is doing things at it.
Are the inopportune time sort of like never underestimate the death murder of the, the value of doing something poorly, you know, like I'm not going to clean my room perfectly so I'm not going to do it. Well then fucking do it shit, you know, like it's better than not doing it at all. I think similarly a good way of dealing with procrastination is just like I'm going to do it at the inopportune time.
I'm going to do it when I don't feel like it and just like leaning into that because it's you're never going to really all the way feel like it. You're never going to really be like, holy shit. This is the exact fucking berbick mama, is not going to happen, but also, similarly, I think the effects I did well, for what I also. I think there are two types of procrastination procrastination. When there's a deadline that you either make or you don't so, like, throughout my schooling life.
It was a dreadful procrastinator. I would start writing essays like at the minimal possible and it was almost a game to see like how quickly I could write an essay, but I always got the essay done by turning every asset. Except for one interesting story I got called A pompous ass by my Russian lit teacher in front of the whole class is really funny. It's true. I didn't understand, I didn't write it. All right, bye. So I didn't write an essay and my Russian lit teacher. Who was this woman?
And mrs. Goethe, who had been smoking for about a thousand years? Her voice was. I'm like I'm really not exaggerating like her voice was rough. It was awesome. And she said, things like dust, I have ski, it was cool. But anyway she was going around the room like collecting everybody's. I say and she got to my desk and I didn't have it ironic. Why did I well actually excuse me I did write, every essay I was supposed to write I didn't turn in every race. I was supposed to turn it.
I had written the essay. I just hated it and I didn't want it was the first essay of the class and I didn't like the essay that I wrote and so I didn't earn it. To pretend that I didn't write it and so she got to my distance so they don't have it and she goes. Okay, and she moves on. And she says, Eric you have you know I'll give you till tomorrow you can get like half credit or whatever. And so tomorrow comes and she hasn't again in from the whole class because it's like, Eric do
you have the do you have a say? And I said no, and I said, Miss Katie. Honestly, I wrote the essay. I just didn't turn it in because I thought my made me look like a
pompous ass. Like I thought my language was arrogant, Maybe. Look like A pompous ass and so I didn't want your first impression of me to be that I was a pompous ass so you know and then I said but unfortunately in doing that now you think of me as the kid that doesn't turn in his homework and she said no I think you're a pompous ass and I was just like cool. Oh shit, she called me a pompous ass just like, oh shit, she is fucking slave me in front of everybody.
Anyways, so the type of depression where there is it. Line. So that type of procrastination, where I would put his last minute and then go fucking on writer, but I would always turn it. That's one of the presentation, but I think a far more harmful at least in my life is the procrastination of things that don't have deadlines because then tomorrow never comes, you know, there are there. Never is that freak out moment, where it's like, oh fuck. I have an hour to get it done.
It, just never happens. That's I think the more Insidious type of procrastination and I think the shame around, it makes it worse. I think that type of procrastination is as harmful as it is. But the shame and anger, and guilt is Just as if not more harmful. So I think I just like that, you said the emotions about procrastination is a better definition because of the feelings of procrastination as
they suck. Like I hate myself for the procrastinate, my procrastination, tight to procrastination, we'll call it coined. I just also really like that. I now have quantifiable information that for your problem with qualifying so hard that you hurt your fucking point has been on And for like a decade oh yeah I like that the most out of that story is like oh you didn't have to qualify but you did and then that's what happens. It's like no, I definitely think
your father's ass. Like a goddamn Olympics over here that's time. Well how do you what it will? I give just give me a couple words. What feelings do you feel? Either during while you're procrastinating or what do you feel when you hear the word procrastination? I mean the word Progressive Nation. Like I mean honestly if like if we're doing like free association, like inevitable poster. Toaster. Toaster toast heat, scrape spoon silver you good? Yeah, I'm done. Okay good.
Yeah, you sure well, like one more Brave Little this no. But, um, but yeah, I mean, I guess, like, for me like like I just I think maybe it's just because like, conditionally it's how I've lived my entire life. Like for me procrastination is inevitable. Like there's there's I it's just
going to happen. Like I just know it's going to happen this a the the same way like the sun rises and I breathe and I wake up and I fall asleep sometimes like procrastination just happens and like and I try really hard to fight against it but one of the but the problem the problem Eric is that the I think the exact opposite end of procrastination is burnout and that's sort of like the Zone where I tend to live because I don't want to give myself permission to procrastinate
because I do progress Nate I am never Going to get it done. And I have like, and I know, like, I know myself and I know my like behaviors. And so I have like a very limited time frame. I have like between depending on the size and scope of the task, I have between an hour and 12 hours to do the task, or I will not do the task. And if I do, do the task, I said doodoo, you did good. But if I do the task after that sort of 24-hour, non-pro crested ettore, Work. That's not a word.
It will be five days later, six days later a week later. And so like I spend a lot of my life writing, emails saying, apologies for the delay. We've been super busy which is fine and I think people understand especially because of like what we do is like oh I have ADHD but like a really good example is the video that I posted today like like I posted a video I was I was supposed to post that video months and
months and months. It's in months ago and I just kept putting it off and putting it off and putting it off because I was really struggling with how to talk about my experience with this product, but then I posted it and it was on the day. We're Tick-Tock glitched and so it never actually got posted. So I had this huge big lead up to like, oh my God I'm finally going to get this done.
I'm finally going to get this like impossible task taken care of and it got deleted by Tick-Tock and so then I was like God fucking damn it. And so For the past couple weeks I've been, like, oh, I should check on that. I should see if I can get that video back up or if I just need a reshoot it or whatever it is really frustrating. And so, like, I don't know, like I have such a weird, I think just I hear it too. I don't know what it is, what is
it? If you're just joining us, we're trying to locate the sound Mysterious Ticking Noise. Congratulations. You did it. You made it to the middle of the episode. I'm so proud of you. Good job, gold star, 1,000 points, to whatever house you are. Do you picture I picture a Crossroads, like, you know, where you sell your soul to the devil for, to be a really good at this here. Get sha like Robert Johnson, Robert Johnson. Yeah. Very much. Do. You know, we're going to be a bum.
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Sorry we can rerecord that Hello and welcome back to our new mystery podcast called Kate and Erik. Find noises that are distracted. Until if I was making the noise, is it something on some point? I think it was like, the, the HVAC I think that HVAC is like vibrating something in the wall, but that was awful. That was a lot of kind of had that son of like, you know, when there are just two things that are just almost touching and then like a tiny little
vibration causes them to touch. Like when you're in the car and you're driving and you have like two cups next to each other, I feel very cold out here. I mean. Yeah. And then and then it's just like an asset like that, like up clacking noise and it just fucking drive. You crazy. Ladies and gentlemen, a lot a little about two weeks ago, three weeks ago, my dish has got so bad at my apartment that Katie insisted that, we just take all of my dishes to your
bigger sink and dishwasher. I don't have a dishwasher and just do them and so we did. And so, which thank you, and we Put my dishes back in the boxes. I put them in my car and took my bike to my apartment. One of those boxes, has been the car the whole time, but both of the boxes were in the order. The Maggie. Yeah, for like, two weeks, I finally just got one out because I need plates, but there are two cups in that box that have been clinking together on my drive to
work every single morning. And just today, I solved the problem KT by moving, one of the cups boxes still in the car because they was the problem was the solution to the problem. I'm moving the cockpit of the car. Yeah, that's what. Now, moving that'll kind of
loosened that one of the cops. Well, okay, so that's a really good surprise - I can't ya. Why haven't you taken the box out of the car I don't know it's because I don't know how this happens, but I always end up getting home from here with more stuff than I came with. I don't know how it happens. It's always something. It's always something and Ali snacks, it's snacks. It's like the boxer Ritz crackers that you know, is opened and it's just going to sit on the thing until we go stale.
So I might as well just take them home way, it's always just something or like clothes that I left here that you wash them but it's always something. And so when I got Like are a very small car. I'm a very tall person if you get out of my car and put my bag over my shoulder, bump it up.
And then my car also doesn't have like I didn't even know this was a thing in cars built after 1910, but my car doesn't have like a button that unlocks all the doors, you have to unlock each one by moving the thing. And so to get the box, I have to reach into my backseat and manually flick the lock thing, which when I'm getting situated carrying In all the various items that I've acquired on my quest of, you know, of going to the office that day. Let's just the last thing I want to do.
And so I just I'm always like I'm just going to come back out and get it but it always gets dark like right after I get home and then I do it. But it was there's always an excuse to point. The thing is, though is like you're telling me the story and in my head I'm like, I immediately understand like I immediately know why, like I like I completely like 100% on board.
Like I completely got it and I think that's Be like one of the hardest part about procrastination because like, if you have ADHD, I think, especially that thought process fucking scans. But for somebody who doesn't or like a like a partner who's neurotypical, they just go, well, why don't you take the box out of the car? And then and then so then there's like a guilt ascribed to it and there's like a like a shame and like a resentment that get subscribed to it when in reality.
Lady. It's like well because I have to reach back through and pop the lock and it's dark. Yeah. And why not? And I'm just saying, honestly think of this now one time when I was I don't know when this happened or what but I know the association is so strong in my head. I know it. Some of this happened. I was in a clinic are probably mine because I was driving it.
And I reached back with my right arm to grab something and I reached just like a little further and I like pulled a muscle thing and there's like so now every time I reach into the back seat from a front seat. I'm like scared part of me is like, oh my God. Am I going to do that thing? And this going to fuck up my shoulder for like a month.
You know, it's a small Association, I didn't know it was there until just now but like I know is those also is a little things but nothing about procrastination is I love it. When you said inevitable, when you can procrastinate, you think of ineffable like procrastination is part of my identity. Yeah. And when I say identity, I don't mean I it is in My DNA. I intrinsically am. What?
I mean? My identity is my understanding of who I am. Yeah, and I think I like most people are fucking terrified of not knowing who you are. And so I would rather know that I procrastinate then not know who I am in that Arena. Also, if I stop procrastinating or if I, if I think it possible to stop procrastinating then, I don't have any excuses to not do the things that I think I should be doing. Yeah, no.
Yeah I don't know. I mean and that's that's just makes so much sense to me. Like no really does. I mean that's the thing that I think is I mean honestly is why I'm I know we've talked about procrastination before but like it's one of the reasons why I'm struggling. is because like, I
feel like the advice is simple. It's you do the thing, you know, but that's what it's trite and it's really easy, you know, it's the same conversation is like the planner thing, you know, it's like we'll get a planner in your fucking ADHD will be cured and it's like, you know, okay, well to stop procrastinating. You just do the thing or like, make a list or whatever and it's like, yeah, that's really easy to say. But sometimes you have to reach back at a funny angle and the
door needs to be unlocked. And That's hard. Yeah, there's a guy I went to high school with, he was an actor. Well, still is an actor but he was studying acting and he got into like insanely good shape, like he got to school for for for school. There was a lot of like it was like the moment for a lot of people were like they're artificially committing. So for a lot of people was like they sort of practicing ten times more or they wanted to get the leading roles.
So they wanted to be able to play like Spartacus. They're not really good shape. Anyways he was one of those guys were like he wanted to play certain roles so he needed He felt he needed to look a certain way. Anyways, he got into super good shape, and like, in front of our eyes was amazing and I asked him, like, how do you start going to the gym? Like, as if he was gonna, like, give me an equation? Like, how do you and he did he come. He was very nice about it.
He got it going on. Well, you know, I tried and I tried it when he was, like, I depended on while I eat like, you know, so like he's like, I remember he said, I don't eat well, I don't go to the highway said, he said, he said I eat well, because I go to the gym. Yeah, like I didn't eat well, when I started going to the gym, it just felt like shit to go to the gym, after eating like shit. And so, I eat well, so that it doesn't feel like shit when I go to the gym.
I thought that was interesting. It's like, I don't. It came out anyways. You gave me a bunch answers like that and I kept pressing him on it like, you know, like, all right. So what, how do you and at some point you just Rose like, Eric, it's something you just got to do. Yeah. Like how do you go to the gym? Well, how do you get there? You know, you know, It's sort of like, how you get to Carnegie Hall practice like how do you get to the gym?
You take a left on whatever and you drive down Main Street and you got you just fucking go. Like that's the end of this end is the end of story and that rings in my head all the time. But yeah, either way I mean I think the real answer is how do you stop procrastinating? You want?
I think recognize when you're doing it and then go fuck that and you shoot the Raven you say today like that's it's a harsh answer but I think that's the fucking answer so you just stop it. Welcome to our new podcast, called Kate and Erik, talk themselves into going to the gym. This is a very exciting episode. I'm very excited for us. Well, I'm talking executive dysfunction, which we haven't said yet knowing a thing.
So I didn't mean to say, like, well, I'm qualifying but I made a post about laziness on tic-tac-toe while ago. I think I brought it up before just saying that the concept I believe the concept ablation is laziness exists. I'm not saying it's good or bad or or has any moral to, it just exists. Um, and a big counter to that is exactly this function. Like no, I'm not lazy, its executive dysfunction, but I think there are times when it's not executive dysfunction, you are being lazy.
Similarly, with procrastination, a lot of things. If I forget that, a thing needs to be done and therefore, I don't do it. And then I remember all I had to do this thing, but I'm literally incapable of doing it. Like, for example, my streaming computer, might the computer that I do a bunch of stuff on his here. And so if I'm at home and it's, you know, to in the Morning, whatever. I do.
You do that thing? Like I can't, I have to wait until I'm here next to do it. So a lot of times, I'll think of and go, oh, that's right. Knew that thing. But then when I get here, I have a bunch of other shit to do, and I just don't think of it, and then I get home again.
I think, oh, fucking do that thing, and I get here, but I forgotten that is executive dysfunction, that's not me, putting it off, that's Executives by brain and capable of executing a task because of executive dysfunction, if you're aware of the tasks that you need to do and you're in a position to do it, but you continue. We don't do it Ulta.
I mean, you can convince yourself that it's because of all different sorts of reasons because it's not the optimal moment because I need to wait until so-and-so is here so they can give me help with or whatever that is procrastination when you're capable of doing it but you just don't want to. So you put it off, it's very close to laziness although I think laziness is more of like I'm not even going to try to explain why I'm not going to do it.
I'm just not going to do it where's procrastination? It's like I'm giving a reason, I don't really subscribe to that distinction. I just but either way, I think it's similar procrastination has a relationship to Executive dysfunction, but I don't think all procrastination can be excused through executive dysfunction, or by executive dysfunction. Yeah, well, I mean, I don't know if I entirely agree, like, I think, I think we disagree on
whether or not lazy exists. Like I like, I understand your point of view, but I struggle to see it from your point of view, but I still love you very much. That's okay, but I think like, one of the things that is really challenging with procrastination, especially in conversation with executive. Dysfunction is like a really good example is like so hellofresh again hellofresh, please sponsor us.
But like hellofresh comes in the Box, you know, like you get the box and then so but like boxes are like a huge problem in my life because like I just I get a lot of boxes, get a lot of boxes all the time from various and Sundry places I get boxes. and so like, but for me, I'm not Well, I'm okay. I'm either doing one of two things and both are equally like both equally have like their shitty results.
But like option A is that I am holding that information about the fact that I need to like break down the hellofresh box and take it out to the garbage. I'm holding that information in my head constantly all day. Or be I forget about having to take out the hellofresh box until whatever point in the day when I walk by the hello fresh box again and then I go, oh shit, I forgot to take that out to the trash. But right now, I'm doing x, y z things.
So I'll do it later and both of them are equally as frustrating to me. And also like when, you know, you have ADHD, you know, that if you stop what you're doing to go put away the Box, you're going to forget where you were and what you were doing, or what you were doing. Entire, yeah. Like I literally had a small break down earlier in the kitchen you missed it because you were recording fangirl Friday. But so this, this company sent me a record player which is
really cool. Like I was like cool free records later but they send it in a giant box and then in the giant box was smaller box and then I opened that box and there was another box and in that box there was another fucking box.
Jesus. So it was like and I was like I was getting more and more and more stressed out because like, the more that I like open these boxes, the more that And I was like, I'm gonna have to break down these boxes now like and if I don't take him out to the trash right away, then I'm going to forget about them and then the, the stack of cardboard, that I literally just got taken care of with the organizers is
going to be back. And so I need to and then there was another box, I was getting more and more stress and more and more stress, more and more stress.
And so finally, like I got so stressed that I walked away without breaking down the hello fresh box because I was just like fuck like ahh and that's silly like that's a silly thing to get overwhelmed about But like that's where my procrastination, like I really struggle because stage manager, Kate like stage manager, brain Kate holds that information and
I am good at that. Like you know, I joked earlier about, you know like my system is I just worry about everything all of the time but I also like I'm constantly switching back and forth between like box email, email box, you know like and I'm and like, whatever thing that I'm holding in my head and that's exhausting that's exhausting.
And so then, When it finally gets to the end of the day, when I remember, or, you know, like, when I go downstairs, I'm like, okay, I got to do that box that I'm exhausted and I don't want to do it because I'm so tired of having held that information all day long, but then if I don't do that, and I purposely choose to focus on my work or focus on my other thing.
It's like, I know, I know that breaking down the hill first box will take, maybe five minutes start to finish like, break it down, take it out to the garbage. End of end of tasks tasks complete, but like it feels larger and larger and larger the longer that I let it sit. And it's only been in my house for two days.
Like it came yesterday and I didn't bring you down because we were in the middle of stuff and I was like we just need to get the food in the fridge and then we'll go back to what we were doing. And then today, now I have seven of their boxes next to the hello fresh box and I'm just like, fuck I procrastinated. And so now, Everything is ruined. Everything is terrible. My house is going back to exactly the way that it was and
I like know practically. Like as soon as we're done recording this, I'm just going to go take out the trash and it will be fine. But like that's how procrastination shows up. It's such a conversation with me about like all-or-nothing thinking an executive dysfunction and these feelings of like I'm just a fuck up. I'm just a fuck up. I'm just a fuck up over and over and over which is why I don't necessarily agree with you about
the lazy thing. Is what I'm trying to say is, if there was a seven-minute answer to why I think you're wrong, but I still love, but I still love. You know, I hear you. That's that's all incredibly valid. Of course, I had a couple different ways that I might want to go but now I want to also talk about laziness lack which
case I forgot. Oh yeah, there was a glass of was just before I was having my I was having my little my little, as have a little afternoon, early evening evening, little Minecraft. Whiskey Ginger. And I left it on my desk and I definitely thought that was Apple Juice. I don't know why. I thought it was apple juice. We don't even have apple juice in the house but I went well that would make sense for it to be apple juice. God damn it.
You told me to you literally looked at her like hey that's whiskey. Don't drink it. I went. Oh, yeah. And then I forgot because I got so distracted by the noise in the hellofresh Box. Fuck. It's well, you know I have no comment that. It's just I'm glad you're you didn't immediately throw up. Now, it's all about my friend. Um, well I want to know so I was thinking about elaborating on laziness and all that stuff, but perhaps that's for a different episode.
But so I was just based on what you said. It sounds like all of that, all of those emotions, all those feelings and thoughts. It seems like procrastination or what you're describing is procrastination. That context is almost a form of Detachment is it's easier to just detach from it and just go. Nope. Oh, the stage manager Katie, of course, is still thinking about it. Yeah, I mean, I don't mean to speak for you. I mean. Yeah. I mean that's like that's a huge
problem. Like that's a huge problem in my life is I am constantly dissociated like all the time. Like, it's just, it's and it's weird. Realizing it like and like just how profoundly much that affects me but it's like it's either that or be completely overwhelmed and I can't, I don't, I'm busy Eric, I'm busy, I don't have time to get overwhelmed. And so like for me like the the box and box and box, and box that I was logging the whole in the log of the bottom of this.
Yes. Yes, rattling bog joke, it's 43 shadow. To the bear head bartender party. Fuck that song, I hate that song so much hate it so much but like but the boxing is a really good example because like I was like getting more and more and more and more frustrated. But I really struggle with that. Like I really struggle with feeling frustrated and anxious and upset or whatever. So I just go nope, we're not going to do that and so I just like walked away.
I just I just Like, you know, and I know it's healthier. I know it's much healthier. Be like, okay, I need to, like, sit in my frustration and I need to like, acknowledge my frustration and like, like Don so I mean, it's fucking, it makes me so mad. I know it does. I know it's makes me so mad because I'm like, no or I could just walk away and it would be fine.
And so it's just like, that's the kind of shit that I really struggle with because it's like I'm just exhausted all the time and I know that's part of it but it's just, it's sort of like a weird Catch-22. I don't know, I don't know. What I'm talking about. It's fine. Hmm well I think for me my my my procrastination is a lot. A lot of that, I just walk away Detachment thing, like, for example, dishes are immensely hard for me, possibly the
hardest. Like just I would literally rather shovel shit than do just a regular amount of dishes in my own house. And for me, a lot of that, a lot of it is through attachment like I, you know, I always think they're there to did that the desk problem that I've probably ham-fisted Lee explained before. But like if you have a dirty desk Bothers you, you can solve that problem by either cleaning your desk or just stopping being bothered by it or accept that
you can. And so for me, like the dishes problem is much the same. As I can solve the problem of being made uncomfortable by the fact that my to my sink is full of dishes by either doing those dishes or just not giving a fuck. And so, the option I choose far more often is to, at least behave as if I don't give a fuck, it's just attached. Like and just be like, well, I'm a gross pay. Piece of shit, whatever.
Find that's just is what it is. I'm going to do whatever Comfort seeking thing I'm about to do. I have a real question for you? I was thinking about this was a weird time to ask you this question but I if I don't I'm going to forget it. Now, what are your thought about? Just using disposable dishes. Yeah, oh yeah, but I don't want to create that much trash, but you see you're like recyclable ones. Compostable. Yeah, yeah. Compostable trash.
Yeah, I've been thinking about that for a long time because like, when we when we got married, we wanted Do like dispute and Chris were not married just yet, if this is in case anybody's first episode, there's a guard. Yeah. When Chris and I got married, we used, they call them upscale disposables and they're like hard like plates, but you can like compost them and stuff but it's like you know so you can like cut your meat or whatever and they don't like tear. Hmm.
I really feel like I just want to get you like a giant box of. Yeah. Supposable is because I feel like it would be a game-changer for that really would honestly why I knew it for a really long time and I just like I kept me. To be like you should try that. Well, that's why I knew a guy a couple of years ago who did that but he was, he was a comedian and so he did that sort of comedian thing.
We're like he said something that was not only offensive but like there was not a proper thing to say but he's like just kept doubling down on it because he's a comedian. He just like watching people react. So yeah. But so it was like he was going on about how he bought disposable dishes and that's all he ever use. And like another one of the people in the room was like, oh my gosh, he must create so much trash, and he like, again did the community.
It was like, oh, the icade like I have failed whole landfills on a weekend like, he did the comedian thing. Yeah, and so, in my head using disposable dishes regularly is like a reprehensible thing to do, but of course, logically. They're very fine. Ways of doing it like using comfortable dishes and then we put in the composter and put in the garden. Shit, you know? I don't know. Also like I think domestic blisters is right like I found I liked, I found actually.
It's really funny. This is this ties back into procrastination. Is it okay? If I feel like I'm drilling what you were? No please. But so I posted a video about find the grossest thing in your fridge, like ADHD challenge. When I was still doing those, which I need to get back to doing those, but I was like, find the grossest thing in your fridge and throw it away. And so, I had found like, it was like a nasty old, like, Chinese food container, but it was like
that plastic, you know? Like they think they come And they were like so many. And so, like the video was like, I was like, take it out and throw it away and sorry, Phil myself throwing it away. And I was like, really proud of myself because I had like, done this, task that I've been putting off and putting off and putting off procrastination. And there are a bunch of people in my comments who are like, how dare you throw away a single takeout container, you're a
literal monster. And the reason why there's global warming and thankfully, and I was like, and I was really struggling. With it because I was like, oh my God, like, I threw away, the interior, whatever. And then in that cot in that video comment section.
Somebody was like, if you ever heard of domestic blisters and they pointed me towards her content and she had made a video about how like sometimes you have to throw away, the Tupperware dish, sometimes you have to use disposable plates, to keep you and your mental health, Okay? And like, yes, should you go burn down a rainforest?
No, you should not but like if something is a tool, It helps you maintain your sanity, maintain your mental health and like improve your quality of life throwing away. A few plastic forks is not nearly as egregious as a lot of people want you to believe, especially if you look at the science and research about like it is not that it is not at the consumer level. That the world is being harmed.
It's a lie that we've been sold by companies who try to make it our fault and they're the ones throwing everything in the landfill. Eels, and I felt a lot better after that. It's true. You know what, what really blew my fucking mind and also raise my sent? Well, I wouldn't call this cynicism because the world is a terrifying terrible Place
sometimes. But I remember who I was probably at, it's like, but somebody said you know who has the most incentive out of anybody to produce, like feel good, global warming, recycle your whatever plates and stuff. Ads and whatnot. Fucking oil companies. Yeah. It's like if they can convince people that they themselves on a consumer level will like you just have it when that guy realized me like, oh shit, like nobody benefits more from those commercials than the oil
companies and massive, you know. Monsanto he companies whose fault it actually is and that scared the fuck out of me. Anyways, I just said what you said but different was okay. But yeah, I was like but I was just thinking about that because I was like, I feel like that's such a thing. I was like I watch you struggle. Like I watch you procrastinate on. Tissues like and it's fun.
Like I mean it's not fun but it's an interesting scientific thing to observe from the outside it's like going over to your house and seeing like one dish and then the next day like to Dish and then three. But then watching those dishes sit-ins and sit and watching you procrastinate because it's such a hard task for you to do. But then like I and I watched this, like I watched the shame spiral happen and I watched the guilt spiral happen and I don't care.
I will wash your dishes for you because I love you and I don't
mind it. much and so like, you know, bringing them over to my house to throw in my dishwasher so we can sanitize them, not a big deal, but it took me three days of convincing you because the procrastination to shame like, yeah, like, equation is so so imbalance and I feel like that's that's really like, it's not just about your dishes, but like procrastination as a whole like I feel like that is such a thing is like that shame component that gives Guilt component is sort of like
built-in to procrastinate procrastination in this way. We're like, it's really hard to talk about procrastination without feeling guilty, or bad or whatever because it's like, oh well, you should be able to do your dishes. Well, maybe it's just really fucking hard for you, Eric and you can get some compostable plates and be happier and better and live slightly less shitty life. Now that your life is shitty but you know I know just an just
decrease the This component. Yeah, well measure, like, if you could just like eat your pizza rolls, compost your plate be done for the day. I'll be amazing. Like, yeah, that would be amazing. I mean, I think, yeah, I think I have a couple different directions on is it, I turn this into like a conversation about
your dishes, I'm sorry. But II this I've often said one of my like things that I say to try to make Myself seem smart, but I absolutely do believe is that I think sometimes shame, the feeling of Shame is an excuse to not learn the lessons that guilt has to teach us because guilt is, I did a bad thing, it's actionable. It's I did a bad thing. How do I fix the bad thing that I did?
How do I make it better? Nobody, the tone shame is, I am a bad thing and you can't, if you are something like there's no sense in trying to change a thing that just is, it's not actionable. It's just I am this bad thing. And so I think with what I'm just here to point out that guilt is not just for having done a bad thing, it can also just be anything. Well, no, I mean, I think we use I think we use the word guilt and shame. Don't just have one definition, they were a bunch of different
ways that they can be used. But so but anyways, similarly I just, I like that. I just wanted to point out that I given that if it get, well, given that I believe that I like to use the word Shame about it because I think it very much is, when I think of my dishes, I feel shame. Not guilt. I feel shame because I think I am a bad person. And for that reason, I am a bad
person. So I might as well just fucking not do it and sit on my couch and let bug start flying around my kitchen because that's just who I am. You know, it's not something that I'm doing that. I can change it, something that I am. So I think shame is a very apt way of describing that, although just for the record, you're not a bad person thing. That's right, let's take your dishes. Thank you. Sweetheart.
Well, other things that that like, amazing just confuses the hell out of me. And I doubt I'll ever, I don't think it's an answer to this, but I do think I'll be thinking about it for the rest of my life is I'll do your dishes. Any of the God, I'll do anybody else's dishes any day. They got anyway, it's just when they're mine. Like, I was a cook for 10 years, like, I have done literal tons of dishes. I've done literal tons of
dishes. But one dish in my house is in a home, is an insurmountable task and I will never know why that is. Well, maybe Eric you should treat yourself as someone deserving of love and clean dishes. Boom, hoisted on your own petard. We were trying to do the things I say that it's trying to do thing but then I couldn't remember because it ever you say it. I don't listen. That that's still my twitch like
that. When you go to church in your offline, it shows like a video from what he was dreams. That's still my thing. And I need to change it because my twitch fibers are very different than they used to be. That's Helens. I think, one of life's great Mysteries is treating yourself as what or why it's so difficult to treat yourself with the same love and affection that we so easily. Afford others, which I saw a really hard. It's really difficult but it
does. It does sound really What makes you sound like a pompous ass, right? No, it does not a little bit. Don't talk about my friend that way. Okay, fine. Hey sweetheart. Yeah, let's go take those by. Let's let's let's together. Put on some Billie Holiday and break those boxes. I doubt we will even be able to listen to one full Billie Holiday. Oh, I am absolutely for sure. For sure. That is correct. Let's do it. Let's do it. Excuse me, let's go.
I'm sorry. Well, let's do let me take that again. Let's go take out those hellofresh boxes. Oh, that tonkotsu Ramen was so gay last night. He was those really Must was really fucking good and no mess, no penis, the bet that's the
best. It's looking for like talking about presentation about hardest part is just breaking down the box that the food for Zoom, but then they come in like the little bag and you just throw the flag and we didn't have to buy ten times as many green onions as we need and then know what the other ones are on the fridge. Steve. So like I have literally saved so much got, like I'm like I want to be very clear our ongoing joke about how hellofresh won't sponsor us is
is real. But also I fucking love how like you so much. Like that is an ad that like, I will just why we're doing it for free at this moment. And we're doing, I was totally talked about, I would love to get paid to talk about how much I love help. It also like Blue Apron, if you want to get in here, it will really use first. You never gets. Who is our first? A cheese plate. Whatever he wishes are actually blue. They are there literally are blue.
We have our little letter now. Let's not talk about those other meal. Delivery meal prep delivery services. I don't know. Are I like hellofresh? Don't go with those other one. I like Blue Apron to All right, fine, if we're going to do a Mac and PC PC thing, I called Justin long. Okay. Who is the other guy? I don't remember, I can't remember his name, he's in so much. Ah, he deserves to have his name known. He's such a good comedian, it's not part of Tompkins, it's a PC guy.
I think he legally got his name was changed to the PC guy. It's like, subway from that one episode of community. That's fine. That's good. Now, let's go to those go breakdowns. Pop pop, you're not allowed to say that it's only, it's only that guy magnet. Dude, magnitude. He's the only person who can say also can like just very quickly I spent a lot of time thinking about conversations and writers rooms like it's one of my favorite things to think about
is like, how did this happen? And I want to know. I genuinely want to know, like how many iterations of magnitudes Catchphrase did they go 3-0? Honestly, I think what I said, well, because Community is such a meta show, the whole point is that it's commenting on shows like that, right? And so, I think a show like that is they have a zany. Doctor that has a catchphrase that they say and everybody. Cheers. So there, I think the real conversation.
The writers room was like, Alright With, You Know, Dan, Harmon in the Russo Brothers, where the fuck they were like, alright, we have that character who's like zany and as if I go, but it just is the dumbest legacies. But how did they find the perfect dumb catchphrase. That's why I'm saying. I think I was, it could have been like bleep bloop or like beep beep. Well, they all would have landed so long as they're sufficiently done. Yeah, but I went to see.
How did they come to choose Pop? Pop. I don't know. That's what, that's what I'm going to ask you, and our baby. Like, Dan Harmon, you've done so many cool things, but I have a very specific question about pop. Pop. Well, it's also, they, I mean, it's not the first time that Dan Harmon has been involved with an intentionally stupid catchphrases, get Wubba lubba, dub dub from Rick and Morty, which is just like the point, is that it means nothing.
You just sort of like made it up on the spot is like, that's my catchphrase. You know, I know that's valid. That's actually, maybe that's like a Dan Harmon thing. He just really likes, silly catchphrases, 7800 the podcast. We should have our own cool catchphrase. Buddy, double pump pal. That's it. It's like to know because she's super duper profile. Its infinite Quest. See what I'm saying. It's harder than getting this episode before we end up committing ourselves to something.
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