Pork. Oh, hi. Yes, hi. Hello, how's it going? Hey, viewers and listeners video good to be here. Have you been here? Glad to be here. What? A great audience here, goes thinking about it, and I'm sorry that I'm springing this on you really. So as we record the podcast, I asked for board and you were like Erik's, always think. I have an idea for this podcast. So cool. What is it? You're like I'll tell you while we're recording those like awesome.
As I want to know, I want to know your authentic thoughts, okay? So here's the thing. So you know how we've been going through and we've been looking at the diagnostic criteria and the Grissom? Yes, I was thinking about it and it's January. Yes, which is pretty much March. Yes. And you know what is happening in March? The new DSM comes out, it's true.
And so I was thinking about Eric and according to the DSM website, which I Literally just had on my phone and now I think I don't have on my phone anymore and so I'm going to be mad about it. They are saying some pretty cool things about the old, the old DSM and it sounds like maybe they're going to update a lot of stuff that maybe were bitching about. And so we're like complaining about something but they're about to fix.
Yeah. And so so I think about it I think maybe a more interesting thing to do would be to wait until the new one comes out. Yes. And then like compare and contrast. Yeah. And see like what if anything changes and like what if they what if anything they add? What if anything they take away and then that way instead of just being like, I'm so mad that it says seems and then it's like, oh, they definitely took that out because I just feel like those episodes are gonna be like, really silly.
Yeah, I guess that's true. It will be just complain about stuff. That's irrelevant now. Yeah, you're not make sense to me. I'm wrong. I'm gonna make a lot of sense to make this. Yeah. However, in the interest of full disclosure, I also have no solution as to what we actually do. I guess, it's maybe it's just as well. What if we really think about doing this later but I'm gonna start doing it now. What if we check the, the ask at
infinite Quest podcasts? Yeah, do a little Q&A and we just we can one put Wilwood, whatever will place a yellow questions. We'll just run through them and maybe we'll do some quick answers. Maybe we'll do some long. Some long boys? I'm long boys. Well, grab grab a Garena. Yeah well you know that? Yeah. Sweet. Hi everybody. Its peak. I'm sorry I forgot that part and it's me how you say Hello. It's me. Hey goo. Welcome back to the quest visual
humor visual humor for the yeah. Oh it's a noble. Definitely upload, right? This time. Okay, so it looks like today we're going to be going through the email. This is a little is a piston earlier, segment listener. Yeah. So it's a what do they call them? Email bar, episode mailbag. No bag of Posada lepus owed. Well, they're all bottle episodes. We, that's what every single episode of our podcast is a bottle also. So yeah, we have to stay in the room. Interesting. Fine. All right.
Okay, let's see. Did I do that? Tada. Okay, I have one. I have a really good. We got. What do you got? Okay, so Sarah, not Sarah. Huff different. Sarah different Sarah. Hi Sarah Sarah. Just sa ra, but I will say their last name because it's kind of a sensitive question. I'm really struggling right now. With my partner, my partner has ADHD and they use it as as an excuse for their bad behavior
all the time. And they don't Don't take personal responsibility for the moments when they have hurt me. What should I do? Oh, I don't like that. Everybody has a personal responsibility to not be a dick to people I don't care what your brain is doing. You got to not be a dick to people. Yeah, it's like a whole thing the whole thing.
Well, jeez, I'm sorry. I mean, I guess it was, you know, your partner with an ID because I don't know your part but explaining to them like, hey, I feel you on all the difficult ADHD stuff, the difficult mental health stuff, like I feel you on that, sometimes it is hard. Didn't want done, say this but not be a dick to people, but you still can't. I mean given the, the
explanation is not excuses. Are like, I'm happy to hear explanations for why it's difficult for you to not do the behavior that you don't like, but you're not trying to hear excuses for why it's going to keep happening. There's it being mentally ill of any kind is not is not an excuse to be a jackass to paraphrase Pete Davidson st. Pete Davidson Esquire. I mean, if talking to them is is what you decide to go with. And then, yes, explanations not excuses. Yeah, I think that I think.
Yeah. I mean I think I disagree. I mean it's I just agree. I said I think that sounded like disagree, but I just agree. I think like there's a really big difference between being. Like, sometimes I struggle with, you know, frustration tolerance, and sometimes I struggle with emotional dysregulation and therefore it is challenging sometimes. For me to remain calm during an argument and saying I have ADHD so you can't get mad at me.
If I yell and scream and and and you know, react in a way that is inappropriate. And so I think that's just it is. I think that there has to be a absolute culpability, you know what I mean is like, you cannot use ADHD as an excuse for bad or abusive or inappropriate behavior because it's not, yeah, because that's the thing is, like, it's just not an excuse, you know? Yeah. yeah, and so I think like my real piece of advice is if this person's partner cannot Take personal responsibility.
I think like, a real honest answer is like, don't write an email to a podcast, write an email to a therapist because like it is not okay to be in a situation where you don't feel safe and you don't feel valued and you don't feel supported. Yeah. I think having a moderator for that kind of discussion, I think is. Yeah. Very useful. Sometimes it's not needed. Yeah. Like hopefully you have a supportive partner partner, who listens in which case hearing you say it would be enough?
I mean, not a, not just going to snap. Yeah. It doesn't solve the problem immediately, you're likely going to have to continue talking about it, to make sure that that new ideal of explanations. No excuses is, you know, holds up over time. But if just talking, your partner doesn't work then yeah, having a third party moderate the discussion and guide.
The discussion can be immeasurably helpful because then your partner doesn't can't just say oh it's just you like you're not whatever if you have a third party who can say like no, you know, they're right, you know, You know, you can't be a dick. I don't care how hard your, you know, I will my examples always interrupting people like I have the urge to interrupt people all the time and I used to but it's still rude to interrupt people, no matter how hard it is for you
to not. So, anyways, I would so talk to them and if not that, then I would strongly consider a couples counseling. I think couples counseling is healthy for everybody. Yeah. Cool. Do you have a fun one? I think there's a couple of good ones I saw were going to have to I'm just and I feel like a pressure to, like, entertain during the party. Really read through all the different Emails to do. Do do. There's so many good ones, though.
No, I have another going on. What do ya got for what you got? Let me get another one on Deck. Shinae says, oh God, there's a lot of backstory. So I'm going to find the actual question today is where T. We love. What we love. We love an explanation. That's the best part honestly. Okay, this is like a slight derailment. One of my favorite things about
the ask at infinite cost. Podcast.com is like People just come on and they will just tell what these like lovely stories about like their lives and like how much they enjoyed the podcast and whatever and it's just like, so gratifying. Because like sometimes like I just read the emails and I'm like, oh, I'm not the only person who does that, and it's like, I know that's like, literally our job, but it's still like, really, really nice. You know what I mean?
Yeah, it's really cool crash. Do you have one eyed? One person this person just says, hey, I think I understand John says, hey I think I understand what interception is but I've never heard it described just in plain English. Can you guys talk about this on the podcast? Yeah. Interoception hell. Yes interception is basically your ability to figure out. Well, I'm trying to figure out like I want to do plain English but I also don't be like lying interception.
You can roughly think of as your ability to understand the signals of your own. It's being able to recognize if you're hungry, being able to recognize, if you're thirsty. If you're tired, it can be surprisingly difficult sometimes. Like, have you ever like thought you were really hungry? And you're like, oh God, I'm starving. I gotta go get a snack from the fridge and then you drink a glass of water and you're like, oh I was thirsty. Actually like that happens to me
all the time. So Tara section is roughly, that is being able to understand the internal stimulus of your body. That's fascinating to me, what number of different level, what that you get hungry, there's all the time, especially late at night when I get, like, munched up and I'm like, we need a little snacky snack. Yeah, you know, I'll start like, don't and I'll be like, all right, let me just let me drink some water, just to make sure and I'll drink water like, nope,
that's what it was. Just thirsty. Really weird happens. All the time, happens all the time. Also what? I'm tired and angry. I'm as I mix up those two a lot because like I'll be tired and then something will happen. And I'll be like how dare something completely reasonable half. And right now I'm like oh, that means I'm tired. I I get really, really angry but when I get angry I do have actually get hangry.
I get like hang depressed. Yeah, yeah but the problem is also like my Hunger response is broken. And so like it's really, really hard for me to tell if I'm hungry or if I'm tired or sad or depressed, or whatever. And so, it's really frustrating because the only time that I'd like actually like, oh, I'm hungry is if Like starving. And I like need to eat. That's like the only time because this is just like, food is like a thought. I'm like oh yeah. And its really annoying, that's
something. I struggle a lot to you, I don't need unless I'm fucking hungry and then you're like grumpy and like mad and I like. And that's why I like I cry all the time is because I'm just hungry like a little a little, a little baby. Let's get this know. It's true that whenever I get really frustrated and like overwhelmed, I cry, but a lot of times I'm not a Actually crying because I'm frustrated and overwhelmed. I'm crying because I'm hungry. Really?
Yeah, it's like a real thing in my life like I will have like a fucking meltdown about shit in my car and then I'll like really like at all. Think about it. And I'll realize like I haven't eaten for like the entire day, but I will be like screaming and crying in my car about like whatever like traffic or whatever and then I have to take that step back and be like, oh it's because I've like have once again forgotten to eat. Wow, yeah, that's why I cry so
much. Oh, well Bob's just, you know, now when you're crying I'm going to insist on feeding you and that is not me saying, oh, the only reason this is happening is I'm not D valid invalidating. I'm not saying oh, you're just hungry. That's what I'm just trying to make sure that they're, you know, if there is any component part of it that has to do with Hunger than we're taking care of that. So if I ever feed you, when you're crying, it's not because I'm listener is a plan coming to
fruition. You're at this whole thing I can assure you, I do I know you were close to the life just being a shithead and thank you for talking quietly when you're close to the mic. So I have to add it too much. It was a secret. Yeah. See, the joke Eric was that I said that so you would feed me more often. Yes, I got it. I got Larry's. I like feeding. Well, I'm humor. I enjoy it. I also it's funny to an insanely good cook. So it's also weird like the the association's that can come from
troubles with interoception. Like I have a hard time realizing that I'm hungry until I am. Like really hungry, not feeling like when you walk up the stairs and what you like your muscles are burning and you're like Jesus my that out of shape or oh I haven't eaten in 30 hours or something. Like often days. I don't eat until then. Yeah. And so then the only time I eat during a day, when I finally do eat, it's right before bed. So I'll eat and then go to bed.
So now after like years of that my brain is so C8 seating with going to bed. So like even if I eat like a reasonable light meal in the middle of the day, like a real sleep immediately afterwards, I'm like, all right. Time to take a big old fat nap you know what, you know. But not like not just like Food Co me but like any amount of food my body is like, all right, Time to take a nap.
And so now what I'm when I do realize, I'm hungry during the day I'm like nervous I'm like I'll fuck like, I've noticed, I'm hungry I should eat but I know if I do right then I'm just going to be in, not be sleepy time mode and I got other stuff to do. So then you put off eating. So then I grew up eating sleeping. Exactly. So it was like accidental at first and now sometimes I don't know if deliberate is the word but like sometimes. Well no.
Yeah deliberate. Sometimes I do deliberately put off eating because at least until I'm like done with work for the day soda. Not like it's not like 2:00 and I'm like, all right whatever. I mean, although I do totally take naps. I'm looking for a word that I can find it. It's driving me like to say Bonkers. Yeah, because I want to ask you a question, but it's fine also. I can cut in between questions
by the way. So if we just want to get it clean, So so I was and I was honestly, I was going to go off on a little tangent about it. The reception because I think is really interesting. Yeah, sure that's fine. No, I mean so I just really interested because like, we can do more questions as but like are there. Other places where interception like weirdness, like shows up in your life? Almost certainly? I mean, I think the the weirdest part about it is that it's
really hard to notice. Yeah, cuz it's your own, it's all internal. It's all your own. Um, brain risk. Like trying to decode your own internal signal. Yeah. And so, like I think tiredness and depression and tiredness and anger, definitely sometimes when I think I'm really depressed, well, sometimes when I'm tired, I'll assume it's depression and then actually get depressed because all I will have just, you know, willed myself into depression.
I think that's definitely the case thirst and hunger. Oftentimes, I can't tell if I'm thirsty or if I'm hungry. So I just have to do both. I'm just going to say it. What? I just want to talk about it. Eric, yeah. What podcast is my podcast complete company. What do you got? Forget to pee all the time. You I forgot to pee all the time. I never know if I have to pee. It's the weirdest thing that's why I like that's why I like kabbalists why Always announce it like it's true.
Going to be noticed that the reason why the reason why I do it is because like I'm like reminding myself that like that's what that feels like because I Just forget, I just forget to pee all the time because I don't think about it and also because I like never drink water. And so I'm always just walk around like a little shriveled-up raised and Gremlin but like it's like a whole thing of my life as I want. Well, constantly forget to Let's that's training urination and we'll peeing.
And in my HD, my earliest memory that I can think of where I was like, oh, that was definitely ADHD but I didn't know it at the time. What? I probably told a story in the podcast before, but it was second grade I was doing bullshit homework, where they just had us write the same Word. I remember specifically because I complained about it it was 20 words. Way to write 20 words, three times each of those 60 words and for that. And for me, that was a lot at
the time. Anyways, I had to sit down and write these were there. And I was like, this is the most pointless fucking God. Yeah. But anyways, I was sitting down trying to do it and I couldn't
sit still. So, I went up and I went to the bathroom like actually went to bathroom and I came back and sat down and as soon as I looked at the worksheet again and like start working again, I was like, oh I still have to go to the bathroom and then I would go and be like I wouldn't have to go and then I would sit back down and be like, uh, Every time I sat down to work, I thought I had to go to the bathroom. My brain was like time to go to the bathroom.
Like oh my God. And so I told my mom, I was like, Mom. I don't know what's up but like, I constantly every time I sit down or like, I constantly feel like I have to pee and my mom was like, huh? And this was there like thing to tell if I was being really serious. Now they're like oh we should go to the doctor, you know, because I had to go to the doctor.
He likes go to the doctor so then it was that was like, they're calling me out and I was like, no, it's probably fine, it's probably fun and I don't know what the fuck I had. Finishing the worksheet or not, maybe I didn't, but either way like that, my ADHD trying to get me to get up, was just searching for any excuse to get up. And so I Associated that feeling with having to pee because that likes, it's surely, that's good. That's the only possible reason that I would need to get out of
the chair right now. Those weird second grade, I am really interested in this is like we need to get somebody more qualified than us to come on and talk to us about this. But I'm also like really interested in like the combination of like interception.
And like alexithymia, which was the word I couldn't remember, which is like struggling to recognize like emotions, like, what emotions you're feeling but the problem is, is that Eric, Eric, Eric so much that shit is connected for me, that's like really frustrating because I never, I like I'm in therapy, we're doing fine. But like I struggle with that so much, and I think part of it is because like, I'm constantly going between ideas and not necessarily the emotions.
And so, it's like, if I'm sad, I'm sad. But my brain is also going like, oh, you're sad, like, what can we do to fix it? Is there a problem? Like, what can you do? It looks such a No-No. And so I've never actually like processing the sad, I'm just thinking about the solutions. Like sad or whatever, but also like all we're doing a video podcast. Haha. No. So you can show stuff. Oh, nice. But like when I got this it was like a joke, right? What is it for those who are not watching?
I got a giant pillow, but it's a feelings. Will pillow. But the thing is, is that, like, I got this kind of as a joke because I was, like, that's a, that's arguably, like a really fun thing to have, like, in my office and I was like, okay, this fight. But then I realized that like, you know, at the very like center of it, they've got Got sadness, surprise, Joy, love, fear and anger. And I think it's yes. The same on both sides. I don't even have those.
I don't even have those like my like center of my feelings wheel. Is like, sad or happy, and that is like it. There's like, no, that's it. There's no other like Nuance to it and then half the time, it's like I'm hungry or I'm sleepy. Or I haven't had enough water or I have to pee or what? I like. I have no idea what is happening. 90% of the time, huh? And you attribute that to the fact that you're thinking your
feelings. I think I don't like I really, I don't know why I have, we haven't gotten there and there because it's like, you know, it's such a problem in my life, huh? That's I mean, I don't want to say, like, I agree, it's totally a problem. But like yeah, I can. Now I can see that. Absolutely. But, you know, it's like okay. Like you got all these like, the little, the little small ones, right? It's like okay, you've got well.
So first off again, to anybody not watching this, a feelings wheel is in the very center there are like Over six very broad emotion, anger sadness, whatever right? Then each of those like it moves out in the wheel and that is subdivided into like three different things. Like maybe anger is frustration or whatever and then on the very outside are each of those is subdivided into a couple more so those are like the most specific Susie.
Like I have you once like joy and like this is like just a feelings. Well like there's a lot of different versions that are fundamentally the same but so is like joy and the joy expands into like enthralled Elation enthusiastic optimistic. Proud cheerful. And then to I can't read because it's yellow on white, you know? And then like, that's like, so that's like the, like the smaller ones. And then, like the smallest. Smallest ones are like Rapture and chanted, Jubilation,
euphoric Zeal again. I guess excited. Hopefully eager illustrious triumphant. That's cool jovial. What? I'm just like, bitch, I barely know if I'm happy. What are you talking about? What are you doing? It's weird, it's weird and it's just for me, I just I spent a lot of Of time thinking about like how much it is connected to just my absolute lack of awareness when it comes to like, what is going on in my body at all times?
Well, I mean, I've often it was a very clarifying thing to me when I first thought this and there's definitely argument against this, you know. I'm not saying this is capital T true. But I think, I think this often that very often time, our thoughts are just Our words layered over emotion. So I think emotions without words is one of the healthiest things on, if you can feel an emotion without actively thinking in your head, what the
fuck are you? Then you just have the pure emotion because words are not meant for emotions necessarily. Like we use words to think, logically and critically and all that stuff, but emotions are just these big blobs that exist in our nervous system and those blobs are part of us.
And so, they turn into language. And then we start thinking about Out, the reason I feel this way is because I'm a huge piece of shit and my parents never loved me and all this weird shit and it's like, just let the feeling be the feeling. You don't need to two-layer thoughts, and I'm not saying that's easy to do, it's not like realizing that or thinking that suddenly solves everything, but that was a huge moment in my life when I started realizing that I thought everything.
Everything I felt. I thought my depression was a train of thought, but really after a while, after I got better at, like, not thinking out loud in my head, I realized No, no depression is like a weird sludgy feeling in my throat and a tingly feeling in my arms and like it has all these other characteristics that are much simpler than all the webs that we spin in our head because it gets fucking
confusing up there. Once we start, putting words in it, that's all made up and I reject all of that. Thank you. I mean, is all made up. You can totally disagree white. How do you just feel things? Awesome, music. Dude, there was an episode. What not real? How did like I don't believe you. Do you challenge? You believe that certain people don't? Have an internal monologue or can turn off, turn turn around
that. I'm aware that certain people don't like the way that like, I can't picture it. I'm not talking about, I don't mean they're incapable of. I mean, they have an internal monologue and then they can stop it. That's awesome. And have it. Just be quiet in there challenge. I stole. I mean, people have claimed. It is true. Yeah. You just be like now, we're going to be quiet. There's a lot of practice, but yeah. What. Well, there's there's an episode of Dragon Ball Z. Yes. Oh, yeah.
Here we go. The scientific resources. It's good to learn from everywhere. Take your wisdom, wherever it is. But I was a kid. I was probably 9 or 10 and as an episode of Dragon Ball Z, where Gohan, who's like this, you know, he's a kid is walking into like the Hall of the terrifying demon thing and it's sort of a Ghostbuster situation where whatever the person is thinking about at that time is going to be their demise. So it's like exactly a
Ghostbusters thing actually. So, anyways, Gohan, walks in and the demons like, ripped it up, but it like, whatever you're thinking about now is Today unlike has on like does it and nothing happens and Gohan's, just like looking at him like confused or whatever, just looking at them and the demon goes, there's AA and then still nothing happens. And the demon thing is like, what far? And then it like stares at him and goes, there's nothing going
on in your head. Like there's you're not thinking about anything you're not like you're just watching me and that's it and at the time, well first off that blew my fucking mind and at the time I was like, oh, go hannes fuck. Stupid. That's what I thought it was like, oh God, I'm so stupid that this thing couldn't conjure up, his thoughts to kill him, but then I was like, no, no. Like this guy is a martial arts master. Like, he, meditates he fucking practices mindfulness and shit.
What we now call mindfulness, like he is nothing going on in his head because he has nothing to think about what? He's just existing in that moment. What do you even do? What, what do you mean, do? I know? That's, that's the, nope, moving on. Well here, it's quite alright. Alright, just because you're uncomfortable. All right and I want I want to with your consent. Can I can I plug into this a little bit?
I know. So when I started thinking about mindfulness and like look reading up on it, the best method for me to turn off my internal monologue, which for one, you can't turn off in that you like force it to turn off, right? You can't just go stop thinking. It's like, don't think about an elephant, you know, it's great doesn't work that way but the way that I get into it is wherever I am whatever I'm doing. I'll listen, I start with Listening.
I listen to the sounds that are going on around me, whatever they are rustling, trees cars going by my computer fan, whatever it is, but listen to it non-judgmentally. Don't think about whether or not you like it, or don't like it. Don't think about whether you would, you could, you know, you would stop it. If you could just completely matter-of-factly, just acknowledge that, that's what you're hearing. And just listen. I'm going to being quiet. So you dear listener can do that. Hold on.
Quite quite quite It's hard to not have opinions on what you're hearing, right? But practice doing that. Just have no opinion. Just matter-of-factly. Listen to it, then realize that you can listen to your thoughts in the same way. So, just like the cars going by are just coincidental there. I don't like them, or just like them. They're just, what's happening.
So, two are your thoughts, as you think things a lot of the time unless you're solving a math problem but like the chatter in our head is at and W would say or Alan Watts would say like that stuff just kind of happens through habit and often it's Inconsequential it's just our brain doesn't know how to stop thinking so much as fucking has to all the time and we get really bogged down in what our brain says in those moments.
And so it's good to be able to remember that a lot of times, your car, your thoughts are just like cards cars. Going by like they're just happening, you're not the thought you're not the car. Like the cars are something a piece of stimulus that you're making for yourself. So if you find yourself thinking while you're doing that of course you are. It's okay but don't surrender to it. You will aren't the The thought is just a little thing flying by and they'll go away and another
one will come along. Anyways, I know you hate me right now but it's because, you know, on some level. I'm right. It's because I already am thinking about the computer fan and the cars driving by and the fucking desk moving and the chair clicking, I'm already thinking about that. Anyway. Why do I have to pay more attention to it? It's boring, well, no, because you're see it's boring. That's the thing. Let's you're not happy with the fact that you're getting those things.
The point is to listen to them and just have no. And this isn't Thing to do, while you're doing something else. This is what I'm going to do when you're not doing anything. So now, when you're recording a podcast, but like it's, when you're just sitting there, which I doubt you ever really do anyways. No, I don't either. I'm not saying you're wrong for doing. I'm criticizing myself to my copious amounts of free time where I can sit and listen to
the computer fan. Not feel any feelings about it, but I mean, I feel your frustration because it sounds it's frustrating when somebody is obnoxious and right, it's really fucking frustrating. I really is and like, usually both The same time, thanks very much. Ah, shit, I will take that, but like somebody explaining something, like, what? I just explained. It's fucking obnoxious. It's like, got like that. So, he's like how dare you trivialize?
My, my thoughts, my thoughts shall be cast in stone for. I am a unique. My thoughts are important. Like, I'm sorry, but most of your thoughts are not important to know who the fuck you I do. Carry. Most of your thoughts are not important. Most of them are just happening because the Habit that you do is just think all the time. Sorry but it's true. Most of my thoughts aren't fucking bored.
So if anybody wants to buy Eric's mindfulness self-help tapes, it's entitled your thoughts are important. Most of your thoughts worried about their an important. It is available for 17, easy payments of 1999. The venmo Jesus Christ, the kickstarter. We're gonna start a Kickstarter for self-help, tapeworms just Eric, like, kind of yelling at you a little slut. Kind of yelling you but like, well, that's the feeling that I feel when I hear stuff like that is, like, how dare you
trivialize the it? Because human, he had experiences trivializing it though, but the language can sound that way. I don't think you think I am but the language can sound that. I see, I see real thing and like The Human Experience is like Vivid and harsh and exciting and like all the sorts of stuff. Shout out Mary Oliver but in to hear somebody say like, You know just stop like you're not going
to die. If you don't have the thoughts that you're going to have for the next 10 minutes, it's kind
of anchoring. It's like well fuck you like because I mean I have a lot of fun thinking thinking is very fun for me. A lot of the times but a lot of the times I'm just doing it because I don't know, just talking to myself, chatter in the brain is Allen Watts was saying, I was talking about this on my Twitter stream the other day, but I still think this is really funny and I want to talk about it. What you got, what you.
So I was talking about how sometimes like I'll just I do like the opposite of mindfulness. It's like, I don't know if there's like mindlessness, I don't know. Mind emptiness, I don't know. But like, I'll do this thing where sometimes I'll just start thinking about a topic. And then it's almost sort of like, a, like, an idea web or like, just like a, you know, like what's it called? When you just like throw ideas out sociation? Yeah.
Like free association. So it was like, doing the phraseology is because it's fun, right? No, that's like really cool. Okay? I'm thinking about, like I was specifically thinking about parking at the Globe Theater. Theater in the 1600s because it was like a whole thing with like parking made. A lot of parking problems with the Globe Theater which I think
is really funny. But anyway is because there is a law school like right next to like where the globe was and so all the rich lawyers students would come and they would bring their carriages and take up all the parking and so that all the rich people Eddie it does is like a whole. That's interesting. I know, right? It was thinking of letting those times where he's having Municipal problems. Well, here's the okay.
And okay, you know what, this is a better story than what I was going to say, but so somebody wrote a research paper on it, but they to get this. But they what they really wanted to talk about was they wanted to talk about like how many carriages could have? Like literally like how many parking spaces were like Around the Globe, Theater is just like
a question. They want to answer and so sorry this is this was recent or this was at the time that this is like this is like in the 2000. Okay. And so there's like this grad student who was like, working on this paper about parking at the club. And there is in London, there is one, there is one Carriage. There's one extant Carriage from that specific like year It still exists and it was like a very sort of popular like make and
model. You know, it's like your Toyota Corolla or whatever and there's one that exists and it exists at the Archbishop of canterbury's, like dwelling like where every state I believe State, I believe if that's your title then it's called Misty. So, so this fucking kid called the Archbishop of canterbury's office. I was like, hello, can I speak to the Archbishop of Canterbury?
And they're like, sure, fam. So they put the Archbishop of Canterbury on the And and this kid like explains like stood he was a case like in grad school. But so student proceeds to explain to the Archbishop of Canterbury that he's like wanting to figure out this like problem about the carriages and the Archbishop of Canterbury literally goes like say no more fam and he like went and he got like a measuring tape out of like the Janitor's. Closet personally measured.
Well personally measured the carriage for this guy so he could like get the right measurements and then the only reason This story exists. The only reason why the story is now known was because he went to his dissertation committee and he was like, I have a source but I don't know how to quote it and they're like, well, what's the source? She's like, well, the Archbishop of Canterbury and they're like, okay. Well like what book? He's like, no, I called like what are you talking about?
He's like, yeah, I called the Archbishop of Canterbury and got these measurements and so I don't know how to cite that in my in my dissertation and it's committee was like, I'm sorry you fucking call the Archbishop were, you did white? And he was like, yeah, it's Nice. That's it that's the whole story but aren't you happy that, you know that. Yeah. One time the Archbishop of Canterbury measured a carriage to help a kid with his homework. That's inspiring.
It's like when you email somebody you think is like to important right to respond. And then they do and you're like whoa like when fucking reads Goodman was on the podcast, it's like, no way. But you know, I think we're gonna like that story. I think there's equipment would very much like that story. Absolutely. What what, how much time do we have? I messed with good Ben. That's right. I was about to make a whole podcast about We're about done here. We're just just about 30 doesn't
matter. No, no. Please sweetheart was weird, seeking a half hour. It's okay. Doesn't matter Leslie. A cliffhanger for next week. Come back next Tuesday for free association and directors commentary.
Yeah well I also I wanted to clarify because I tend to do this or qualify maybe this is a qualification, I don't know, but I'm not saying all thoughts are bad and you're wrong for thinking or any of that stuff, you know, I just think, well I'm not talking I'm talking to this to do listeners. I'm just Angered a lot of times we think just out of habit. It's not because we're doing it intentionally.
If you intend, if you're like, fuck you, I like thinking all the time then fucking great, you know, but I think we often think more than we intend to out of habit and that's worth addressing. I are just gonna continually give you fun stories about the Archbishop of Canterbury to avoid having to talk about feeling my feelings. Ha, ha. I tricked you. Oh, you did that. You did trick me this time. Wow. Did you with a delightful story
about carriages? And when you got me with the time I did, oh, he were Saved by the Bell and the carriage and the Archbishop of Canterbury, it's like if we just see call him right now, she called me, I think about it. This is not we it's I really think that next year like around Thanksgiving, we should make a series of calling the Butterball hot line. Oh, yeah. And like being very like, like open about it.
Be like we're doing a podcast where we just want to talk to everybody works for the Butterball hot line. Can you answer these three questions, Frozen, just S3 like very specific questions but I think it'd be really fun series. That would be Fun. Yeah, I'll be fine. Yeah, what it? What three questions you have in mind? I don't know. I say, like first off, how did you get this job? What's the weirdest question you've ever been asked? And what's your best case of like I was thinking?
Like if you could talk to your five-year-old self, what would you say? Oh that's so deep. Yeah, oh yeah. I want to, I want to, I want to break these Butterball. Hot line, people tears. I want to thank Eric is making these like 60 year old grandmother's cry for Thanksgiving. Fucking monster. You feel that you said everything. You wished you had to your father she's it's cool right? Jesus sorry I was wrong with you. Anyway stay tuned for the patreon song. Well, everybody that's it.
That's the end of the episode. Yeah. Also Eric, we changed how we started recording. And now we're also changing Howard during the pinot. And it's, I just think it's very different. It is very different, a monk. It's okay, we're doing you're doing fine. You're doing great. You're doing right? Okay. So, hey, everybody. Well God, I just hope that I'm so uncomfortable. I'm usually so it's okay. I'll take all day. Well, hi everybody. Thank you so much for joining us.
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