Hello. Hi, Katie. Good morning. Good. Morning. It's not morning anymore, Katie. I don't want to tell you this like. Easily one in the afternoon. It's 12:30 right before we were recording. I was like, this is a really good idea. We could like record podcast first thing in the morning. That way there's not like a bunch of gobbledygook in our brains. You know, it's like fresh. And then I was like, it is 1:00 in the afternoon. Yeah.
That's morning. You know, morning is the first hour after you wake up. You don't care when you woke up. You don't care? I don't. Care, I'm calling my senator Katie, I'm calling senator, I'm calling Obama and I'm going to be like is oh. Barack Obama, you're current. He's current Senator Raining senator in my heart. Yeah, he's he's who? Barack Obama. Barack Obama. I don't know what I was trying to say. Dude, that's that's how I want somebody to introduce.
That's like how I want Eminem to introduce Barack Obama at Kamala Harris's next. Look, there goes thermometer. It goes thermometer like you all better turn on your Barack opometers because it's about to that's. What I'm saying like, yeah, it's like you got gaydar and Barack Obometer. Yeah, it's like a fire. Fire danger. How close is like Obama to me at any given? Moment like Barack Obama. Barack Obama is going crazy. How is where is Barack Obama right now? What's today?
Today is Tuesday, October 24th. God. It's so close to the election through fuck off. Oh, hey, by vote. Yeah, I'm sorry, but this is what we do now. Would you please vote? Go online. Just check to see if you're registered. Check to see if you need to, if you need to get an absentee ballot. Those deadlines are usually pretty early. You. Have to send in your absentee ballot early? You do as well. Yeah. And just because we're we vote in Georgia because that's where we technically live.
The Georgia absentee voter ballot deadline is tomorrow. You have to apply for it 11 days before the election, the election or else or else you can't get it. So please, if you live in Georgia and you're voting absentee, do the application. Just Google Georgia absentee ballot. Yeah, just do it. Just do it right now. We'll wait, actually. And wherever else you make sure you're registered, make sure you got a plan. Well, we're talking go vote or no. Go look out and see if you're
registered to vote. Go do it right now. That's where you can listen to the podcast for. Yeah, maybe we'll make a special episode that's just for people who to listen to while they're voting and they're only allowed to listen to it while they're. Voting. Yeah. Is it like that one guy can't use black paint? What the there, there's this artist and he made Vonta Black. But then there was like he was like in a fight with I think it's Amish Kapoor. And he can't, he can't use paint.
He can't use Vonta Black ever. Who's Amish Kapoor? He's like the other artist who tried to like trademark black. Oh, so they both it's just like dueling black paints. Yeah, Well, there's like this one artist who made this, like, super, super duper, like, really saturated black paint. I can't remember his name. I think he's Amish Kapoor.
I might be wrong about that. And then this other artist was like, but he copyrighted it, and he's like, nobody's allowed to use it except for me. And so then this other artist basically figured out how to make super duper saturated black paint. And then he was like everybody except for this one guy. What is it? It's. Just a black. But he's, yeah, he keeps like, trolling the guy. And so he's like, he makes like different colors and stuff.
And he's like, anybody who works with this artist, you're not allowed to use this pink color like. Damn I can't I mean is Amish Kapoor or if that's if that's the person's name. I'm going to be wrong about the name. Are they like a bad person? I think it's just more of like it was like trying to to copyright a color made this other artist angry. Because I can see like a friendly little, little little feud over black paint, like being hilarious and good
publicity for both artists. But. No, I think he was like, pretty serious. Amish Kapoor black paint. I'm prepared to be so wrong. Is it Amish Kapoor or Anish Kapoor? It might be Anish Kapoor. What did I say? Amish. No, I think I heard a. Beautiful blending of two cultures, right? Yeah, Anish Kapoor's controversial Vantablack works fine. So it looks like Anish Kapoor is a person who. Has Yeah, OK, I was writing OK.
I did say Amish though I think. Reddit says today I learned Anish Kapoor bought exclusive rights to the Vantablack world's blackest paint, so artist Stuart Semple developed a new pigment. Yeah. The pinkest pink to rival the exclusivity of Kapoor's black. I told that story wrong.
Simplest Pigment was released on sale to anyone in the world except Anish Kapoor. I have like 50% of that story like dead on. That's pretty cool, so it looks so honest before like copyrighted their thing so people couldn't use their paint without paying them I guess. Can I move? The microphone right to me. Yeah, closer to you. Yeah, I'm just gonna pull it, OK? I just feel like I'm very quiet. Yeah, you weren't sorry I talked over. You and I'm a very loud guy. You were a loud, loud boy.
I do like in a world like 2 artists just trying to make the blackest black and they're just like man, you can't see shit with my pain. You know? Like look, I painted a horse. Where is it? He doesn't even look like he's there. Is that is that a silhouette of a horse? Is that the shadow of a horse? Is that the dream of a nightmare horse? Did somebody use the pen tool to very accurately outline this horse and then press control X to copy it? Or cut it.
Is there a big ass horse on my clipboard right now, Katie? Did you know that you don't like, you don't have to go around anymore? There's like a magic AI robot that will just do it. That's crazy. Makes me deeply sad. That's crazy. My dad taught me illustrator when I was like I was probably 10, you know, he taught me like the pen tool and look at the the pen tool illustrator and Photoshop and all that stuff. And now almost all of those skills slash tools are obsolete.
Like I remember like doing school projects and being all cool 'cause like I could make these cool diagrams and stuff 'cause I knew how to use Illustrator. And like now I do that accidentally on my phone. Like if I take a picture of you and like and swiping like through my pictures, but I hold my thumb down for a little too long, it just cuts you out 'cause that's like the shorthand on an iPhone to do that. And every time that happens, I'm like, wow, that used to take me an hour.
It's weird. The one that I think about, and this is one that is like it's really close to my heart, is that I used to work at comedy sports and when I worked at comedy sports, they so the way that comedy sports work is basically whose line is it anyway? Except there's two teams and they're competing. But like it's kind of a real competition, but it's kind of not a real competition, you know what I mean?
But so there is a referee and then there's the two teams and then there's a scorekeeper who's called Mr. Voice. And I was the first Miss Voice. I was one of the first women to ever do it. But when we moved into our new theater, I'm sorry, this is a long story. But we never talked. About this, and it's a very fond memory of mine. But when we moved into the new theater, there's this huge movie screen because they had bought a movie, a movie theater, and they turned it into like a, a live
theater. And so there's this huge screen. And I was like, I bet that we could do some fun stuff with the screen. And so I started doing fun stuff with the screen. I like, I like, I started out doing like Adult Swim stuff where like during the during the intermissions, I'd be like, hey, you next slide guy in the hat. Yeah, you at the table with the lady like in it 'cause I would just be doing it live. And so I started doing that and then I started doing it during the matches.
And so like, if somebody would, you know, like, hey, we, we need a suggestion. And the suggestion is like a kitten wearing a sombrero mowing the lawn. And I got Eric I got so good at by the end of those games, I would be able to throw them up on the screen like. I was. So good at it. I was so good at it, yeah. And I had like a whole system
and I would do all this stuff. And now there's just a a robot that you just go, I need a picture of an A kitten wearing a sombrero mowing the lawn and then just goes and it seals somebody'd work and it does it. But like that I would do that, but I would do that life. And I was so proud of that skull. And everybody was really impressed about it. And it got to the point where we hosted the the world Tournament and they flew me back.
No shit. So I could do that because they wanted to show off like, here's what's possible if you have like, a competent person in the booth who is also an improviser. Yeah. And so like, I would run tech and it was like, it was so fun. And it was something that I was really proud of. And I like turned it into like a, a character at comedy sports and then now AI can just do
that. But and which is like fine, I guess, but it's also like, it makes me really sad because I remember just people were like, how did you do that? And I'm like, I'm very, very fast at Photoshop. Yeah, something that makes me feel, First off, I think about Mr. Boyce all the time. I think it's brilliant. Like it's probably like, 'cause that's one of those things you didn't like. Comedy Sports was sounds like it was a really good show. I wasn't around that.
Wasn't there Comedy Sports Show? Oh, I'd love to go to Comedy Sports. Like it was a good show. It would have been fine if it just kept being what it was. But you were like, what other cool shit can we do? And like, that's cool. Like that's just a cool thing. Hold. On I'm taking up Bailey's collar because she's collecting it right next to the microphone. Podcast dogs, podcast dog silence. Well I was thinking about like. So I just got back from Bay Area Maker Fair. Yeah, How was it?
It was fucking awesome. It was the coolest shit ever. I helped run Mike's booth. Mike. Props to history Michael Corey, current art director at Funko Studios. Good for him. Let's go, Mike. Congratulations. Shout out to Mike, it's a train job. That's an appropriate use of that sound. That is, but yeah, so if you know Michael Corey, everybody congratulate him on. Sorry, Bills. What we were. Too loud for Bailey, She. Got up guys, I know you know what over stimulation is.
I'm sorry, buddy, Oh, but sorry, was I was working the this booth and the booth was called faking it. I promise this is coming back to comedy, sports and and AI, which is the you can sell any podcast. If you talk about AII don't think we're selling podcast. I guess that's not the word. I don't. I don't know how to tell you this, but we're not making this. Podcast right now, they're making people happy, which is we're making people my favorite
thing. Which also is how you can pay your rent and making people happy. That's true. Hopefully that's that's the dream Maker Faire Maker Faire so that Maker Faire and Michael's booth Michael Mike's booth was called faking it. Mike again, props to history. I should just props to history. Props to History. Props to History's booth was called Faking It, and it was all about how to make fake movie
props. You know, when they got like, the squishy hammer for bonking people on the head or like the foe Manville, so that, you know, you can have the superhero throw it or whatever. Or more often, just so it's safer. So if somebody tends, you know, happens to trip. I was amazed at how mundane some of the situations are. It's just like if somebody falls. Down. Yeah, like so much stuff is fake in movies.
That isn't fake for a reason. It's fake as like a contingency, you know, Like if you have an actor in a background with a shovel, you know? Like that one guy in James Bond. Oh, who's not shoveling anything? Yeah, exactly. Well, the reason he wasn't shoveling I, I bet $1000 the reason he wasn't shoveling anything is because there was a fake shovel.
It was it was foam on the head of it so he couldn't plunge it into the ground, you know, but a lot of the reasons stuff is fake is just because if that actor after 20 takes just stand there doing the thing. One, it's lighter. Foam is lighter than metal and wood and stuff. So they can do that take without getting fatigued or getting less
fatigued, supposedly. But if on the 19th take he does a weird thing and falls on it or like hits his toe, if that's a real shovel, one, that hurts somebody, you don't want to hurt anybody. But two, that delays production for like potentially hours. And that's money. Like if you have Brad Pitt on set and you have to delay production for another hour since 100 grand or something like so ANYWAYS, it's always good to have stuff safer.
But anyways, one of the main questions that we got from people who visited the booth was like, so how's the industry, you know, now that everything's CGI and you know, and one, I'm so new to the industry, so I'm not like, I don't have stories to tell, but you know, I'm familiar with the industry. And the truth of the matter is, is there's a big backswing. People are getting really sick of CGI because there's just a feeling to it that's just not quite right.
It's not like a necessarily a describable thing, But apparently when audiences see a big CGI thing, they're more they'll they're less likely to be like emotionally impacted by this. I'm pulling this out of my ass, but this no, it's true anecdotal, you know, evidence they're less likely to be emotionally impacted or whatever by the scene if on in the back of their mind, they know it's just a bunch of computers and whatever the fuck.
Whereas if it's real, and by real, I mean real fake, but if it's physical objects, it's just more, it hits them on a more visceral level because they know that that's actually a big monster thing standing in front of the actor, even if it's a, you know, animatronic or something like that. So there seems to be sort of a backswing where people are craving more practical stuff, if that will last. I mean, probably not, you know. I feel like it's just gonna the
pendulum's gonna go one way. Like people are like, we got Avengers end game, right? And it was like the CGI is CGI, but it's never CGI. And it was good. It was a great movie, but then people were like, I want something a little bit more real. So pendulum goes over this way. People are like, yeah, but like I miss those like giant, like Marvel crazy, like, you know, a
million bad guy movies. And I feel like it's just gonna keep, you know, because I mean that like, you see that with like horror movies and stuff too. Like horror movies go from being like slasher films to like more cerebral to like back to like hyper, you know what I mean? Like there's like trends in horror. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I, you know, I guess the more like cynical capitalist part of me. Not that there's really any part of me that's capitalist, but
well, like, never mind. Thinks it's just about whoever who has the money and who's buying movie tickets. You know, like if the if the generation that's buying movie tickets is nostalgic for. Skippity toilet. For breakfast. You know, guys, this movie's great. Thank you so much. You know Mr. Spielberg, but there's just movie Skippity, dude. This movie is straight up got that skippity Ohio rizz man. This movie's I don't know anymore. Like those are my three slides.
But I mean, what I mean to say is I think there's something missing when it when when there's less human element into in making something. I agree, like because I mean, for me as a person who likes art of various kind of like part of it is knowing that like a person sat there and made that thing, you know, and assuming people still sat there and made the CGI stuff. No, of course they didn't. And that's absolutely an art in its own form.
I don't mean to say that it's not, but it's a less, it's, it's harder to identify with that art as a layperson because a layperson can imagine holding the helmet. Fewer lay people can imagine 3D modeling the helmet and rendering it with light and all that kind of stuff. So anyway, so, so I think like Mr. Voice I don't think would be nearly as impactful if they were AI drawings.
I think part of, you know, even if it's if it's way back there in the brain, part of like, the joy of that is knowing that there is an improver up in the booth scrambling during the sketch to like makes you know, 'cause then you get to think why do they choose that image? Or, you know, maybe, maybe part of the reason it's funny is that you chose 2 seemingly incongruous images that AI would never do 'cause AI's whole job is to make things, you know, I don't know.
So part of me is hopeful for like that. I feel like, I think that was part of it. I think that it was, it was like there was like a gamification of it where it was like I was also racing the clock to like, but at the time doing something that was very hard to do. That was the novelty of it. But yeah, anyway, I missed that job. That sounds like a fucking great job. It was. I was very good at it. Weren't we going to do a Mr.
Voice type thing? I just remember like early on when we met and we were doing more like live shows and stuff, I just 'cause that's when you originally told me about Mr. Voice. It was 'cause I was pitching something maybe we were doing, maybe it was when we were Twitch streaming. Oh yeah. And it was like, oh, if, you know, one of us could be off to the side, like as we go. Who could be like the the John, not John Edwards? Jon Stewart, who's? The the No Jon the English guy The English 1.
Oh, John Oliver. John Oliver. That's John. John Edwards isn't John Edwards. Isn't he the medium? John Edwards. He's a psychic, he's a medium and an ex vice presidential candidate. I know he was John Kerry's. Who are you thinking? About Vice President of candidate, I always think of the word from Stephen Colbert from the Colbert Airport when he's like, and it brings us to tonight's word. Yeah, okay.
John Edwards, former United States Senator, and then John Edwards who is also a medium American TV presence. To John Edwards. I used to get those conflated during that I was I was really young. During that 2004, I would have been 10 and I remember South Park had just done an episode on the medium, John Edwards, and I was like, why the fuck is that guy going to be vice president? Like that sounds like a terrible day for vice president for so many reasons. Why?
Oh my gosh. But he can talk to the ghosts of ex presidents and be like George Washington. My boy, what do you what? What should I do? That's true. I remember in the South Park episode with John Edwards, Stan, he comes to like Stan's house and is trying cause Stan's like talking shit about him publicly or something. And he's like, hey, I just wanted to like clear up with you. You know what I do? And I remember Stan says, yeah, you're, you're what did he say? He says you're knowingly doing
harm for your own benefit. You're literally the definition of evil. And for some reason that stuck in my head, like knowingly doing harm for your own gain. It's the definition of evil. It's not. I don't know if it's literally the definition of evil, but. According to South Park. According to South Park, it is in South Park. Is a, is a is a is a not a primary source that's not is, is a. They were there when language was invented. They were. That's true.
They might have been season 20 billion or something. This is true. How was your time We also. I thought something interesting first. No, please do that. That was the. Winter, no. So Speaking of content creators who we know and love, Forrest Valky Forest, renegade science teacher the other day was doing a, I don't know if it's the other day where it's coming up, but he was doing a convention of like sciency people and like Neil deGrasse Tyson is going to
be there like all sort of stuff. But there is a magician coming who is a medium or like a mentalist mind reader. And so in for in the comments on Forest's post about it, there were a bunch of people who were like, why is a fucking mind reader mentalist guy going? And then it was super fun for me because I got to be like you guys, like mentalist and mind readers have like a storied history of like debunking sidekicks and like fake mediums and stuff.
And that was like a big part of magic history was like mentalist and minor is going like we're doing the same thing, but like we're selling tickets like this is really the only you know. And so it was like super interesting because that's like a really important part of magic history that people forget. It's like a lot of magicians were like debunkers and like, and Penn and Teller even kind of like took up that mantle when they did like that bullshit show.
But that's like very, like storied in magician history. Who's the one that's? All I wanted to. Say there's a there's a magician who like at like later like towards the end of his life that he was just obsessed with mediums and trying to find a legitimate medium. But he knows how magic works, so he knew that none of them were real. There was a movie about it. Like he puts a. Prestige No. No, I think it's a Tom Hiddleston movie.
Am I making that up? But there's a scene where like he's around this like Seance table and they turn off the lights and there's like a ghostly voice, but he puts shoe Polish on the end of of the horn on the table that, you know, was supposedly just sitting there. But speaking through this ghostly apparition, he puts shoe Polish on the mouthpiece. So when the lights come back on, one of the guys says shoe Polish on his mouth and he's just like, OK but.
Like, I haven't seen that movie, but I know that like, there were a lot of people. Watching that on a. Plane or something. It might have been Houdini. Yeah, I feel Houdini was. Was like one of those guys. Yeah, right. I don't know. I'm really bad at remembering names. Like, it's one of my like, weird ADHD shame things where like, I know a lot about Shakespeare. I know a lot about like history. But if you're like, in what year did William Shakespeare, right?
And I'm like, I don't know. Or like, who's this guy? Like, I don't know, I gotta Google it. And because I'm bad, like recall. And so it always made me feel like a really bad academic. So whenever I'm like, oh, I can't tell you off the top of my head, like what this guy's name is, then I always feel like a little bit guilty and stupid. OK, that's what writing stuff down. I know. That's what AI is for sweetie. Sorry, that's what it is. No, Mike is insanely good at remembering details.
He's so talented. And I always feel really dumb. Like no. Well, he'll like, oh, for example, and it's on the fly too. Like sometimes they're like, OK, well, this is a special interest of yours. Like this story specifically, which is why you remember everything. But like, Maker Faire Bay Area was on the location of the place was on a street called Nimitz Ave. And I was like Nimitz. And I was like, that's a funny name. Like Nimitz.
That's fun to say. And he goes, oh, Nimitz was actually the Admiral of the Pacific Fleet during World War 2. And this proceeds to just like day by day. And he was again then on July 4th, 1941. And he was like, oh, yeah. And then his Admiral, corporal, whatever the fuck. Like he just names all these names like off the fly. Like he didn't know Nimitz was going to be. It was just we saw the sign. I was just like God damn, that's
amazing. I think it'd be really fun to have well have the pockets, but also have in like AD and D campaign that's set in like I bet he would be an amazing DM for like a, you know, not, not D&D obviously, but like a tabletop RBG situation that's set anywhere in, you know, between 1939 and 1945. It's.
Really funny that you bring that up now, because there's also an intense debate going on on the Internet on the TTRPG side of things, but whether D&D is war game, and people have extremely strong opinions about whether D&D is or is not in fact a war game. And I'm here to tell you all publicly on the record, I don't give a shit. Play your game how you play. I don't care. Y'all need to stop. You need to stop. It's getting too much. Not every take has to be hot.
Sometimes they can just be beige lukewarm takes. Like hey play your game how you want and I'll play my game how you want and we can all be friends. That's OK too. You can just do that. That's the thing you can do, guys. You can also have interesting spirited discussions about stuff without it being about how the other side is piece of shit and stupid and wrong and just be like interesting that's what. Who knows, maybe it is. That's.
Interesting. I, I grew up and it's really interesting because I see this difference a lot with your family and my family because your family is a family who enjoys the spirited debate and it's really fun. I love being like at your family for like, you know, holidays and stuff because it's just like, what do you think about, I don't know, world topic? Yeah, we can get an intense
discussion. And just be like, but it's like, but it's like for the spirit of debate, like my family growing up, like debate was to prove the other person wrong. And like, so there was, it was, there was never like healthy fun debate. There was only like fighting debate. And it's like, I, I think that's like something that has started to happen on social media like a lot where it's like, you can disagree with like someone's opinion about a movie, but it doesn't make them a horrible
person. It doesn't make them a bad person. It they can still be a very good person and just have like a bad take about Indiana Jones. It's OK. But it's really funny to me how people just can have started conflating. Like, your opinion means that you're a terrible person. And it's like, unless you're like a Nazi, if you're a Nazi, then yes, you're a bad person. Like they're within reason.
Yeah, within reason. You know, if you're like racism, not that bad, like, yeah, you're like, you're a bad person, like, but you know what I mean? Like, it's just, it's so weird to me, like how how that happens. And I'm like, I miss respectful spirits and debates. That's why like debate, you know, like debate club. Like it was fun cuz it was literally just like we're learning how to art like this. We think what we think about
this topic. But like what we're doing right now is I'm realizing just as you were saying that, like I have you heard of the just world fallacy? It's one of the logical fallacies. The just world fallacy is the belief that the world is a is a nicer, kinder, whatever place than it really is such that you're not engaging for the purposes of not engaging with
something that happens. So for example, if I go back home for Christmas or something and I say, you know, I don't know, the insulin producers are jacking up the price of insulin just to make money and they don't give a fuck about we watched ATV show, But that's also absolutely real thing. And if one of my family members wished to go, no, they wouldn't
do that. You know, like nobody could, would, could possibly be that like greedy or whatever like them and therefore refuse to engage with it. Like that's the just world fallacy. OK, I noticed that I sort of did a bit of that. I do, I do a bit of that in my friendships really. Like I must think, I don't want to, you know, name anybody specific because we all do it to some extent. But you know, I would be developing some sort of friendship in like my mid early 20s or something like that.
And I liked people who were, you know, heady and liked talking about lofty ideas and shit. And I would frequently, you know, think to myself in one of those conversations with one of those people like, wow, look at this, isn't this cool that we're having this spirited debate about something? But it's not about, you know, I know that we could get really intense. And at the end of it, we'll, it's like we were just talking about something else.
And then they thought you were just an asshole. Well, well, maybe I I don't want to claim to know what they were thinking, but, well, I'm about to. But then I realized, like, that was only come on my side. Like I realized the reason I felt that way is because I always conceded. I always conceded because at some point I'm just doing it for love of the game.
Yeah. So like, I don't really care that much about, you know, I don't know, some, I mean, there's some things of course I do care deeply about. But if we were just talking about something, you know, about, like why car manufacturers, you know, make a part a certain way or whatever the fuck.
Like I only care to the to the extent that it's an interesting way to spend time talking about it, you know, But so I would always concede when it got to my like, yeah, well, you're probably right, you know, or whatever. And then I would realize, I think in my mid 20s, around 2526, I started going, what if I kept going? Would this person eventually concede to me if they were clearly wrong, like on things that I knew I was right about?
Cause at that point I was, you know, decently educated about stuff. Like, so like if it was music theory, like I know when I'm right, you know, and a lot of times, no, they would never concede. They would stick to their thing. And, and, and just, you know, I think one point I said, like, dude, like aside, you know, this topic aside, like, I went to music school and studied this. You didn't. So just roll the dice.
The chances are that I'm right. Like if you had, if you were looking at the two of us argue and decide which, and having no idea what we were talking about, just go. I think the guy who studied this formally is probably right. And I was very disappointed that a lot of my friends wouldn't do that. They would just. They were arguing to fucking win, you know? And that was kind of shattering, you know, when I realized that. Yeah. Well, yeah.
Yeah, because I don't know, I've been talking for a minute now, but like I my intelligence is like my greatest insecurity since I was like a little kid and working on it has been and continue will continue to be like a lifelong thing. And so I have to compartmentalize it on some level that like intellect is a skill, much like, you know, playing basketball as a skill. And I, and just like a basketball player shouldn't define their self worth solely on how good they are at basketball.
I shouldn't put myself worth solely on how smart I think I am or how good I am at arguing or debating or whatever. So I very deliberately would practice and still do practice, like letting it go and just going, you know what, I don't fucking know everything, you know, like whatever. And then when I realized that that's largely not reciprocated by people, it was just kind of sad, you know, I don't remember why I brought that up, but I. Don't either.
Yeah, you know, but no, I think it's, I think it's interesting. I think it's, it's always like, it's interesting to learn about someone's worldview, especially on things like how do we debate? How do we have like, well, it's, it's not to shill for my podcast, but also shill for my podcast.
It's like, it's a lot of why I wanted to start doing, sorry I missed this because it's like, how do these core beliefs and these core values shape how we communicate and then layer on little spicy neuro divergency or whatever. It's really interesting. It's really interesting to see like people like, no, I cannot. I cannot seed. I cannot. You know what I mean? Yeah, I don't know. I don't know where I was going with that, but. I feel like I talked to her for
a really long time. I. Don't feel like you did well, thanks. I feel like you said what you wanted to say and that was an appropriate amount of time to say it. Well, thank you so much. I appreciate it. OK, Katie, you are. You want to do a little improv dump thing, OK. You're a person. OK, Who is afraid of snakes? OK. So that's that's, that's who you are. And I am a person who has a surprising amount of snakes.
Just like on your person. Yeah, just on my person in my life, but mainly on my person, yeah. OK, OK, OK. Oh hey, how's it going Janine? We met in 7th grade. Do you remember that we two were in biology together? Robert. Robert Yeah, yeah, it's good to see you. How you doing? Great. I like, is that a scarf that you're wearing that is moving? Oh no. Actually, this is This is Blenny. He's a. Oh, wow, that you don't have to hand it to me. That's no. It's OK, he's really so.
I'm gonna, I'm just gonna actually step over here and just admire from afar. We love the Fit 0. Love the fit, are you? Are you afraid of snakes? No, no. It's OK if you I I run into a lot of people. Like no love snakes up in my business. Oh. Cool, here I actually have. Hold on. I pull open. Oh, you have more. It's like a trench coat full of. Watches. Yeah, but they're snakes. And I pull and I'm go. Look here, this is Bobby. Oh wow. Hello. Bobby, he's so good here.
Are you sure you don't want to? Hold you know, but I would hate for my hands to befoul your beautiful snakes. OK, that's, that's fair. Thank you. Hey, I just want to say like, it's OK if you're afraid of snakes. Indiana Jones was afraid of snakes. Yeah, but you know, Indiana Jones, he had many positive qualities. He did as well. He did. How have you been since 7th grade? I'm just gonna couple more steps back.
Oh, I've been good. Well, hey, listen, I it's, it's look, look, these snakes, these snakes are perfectly safe. That is great that yeah. I wouldn't care on dangerous snakes. Look, watch this, watch this. And I, I pick up the boa constrictor and I like put his face, the boa constrictor's face in front of my face. And I give him a little kiss on the mouth. And I go, hey, look, would I do this if this was a dangerous
snake? Look, I would not if this was a if I thought the snake was dangerous, I would not. And I and I'd give him a little kiss on the front of his snake. Oh. Wow, intimate snake lover. Yeah, see Robbie the Snake. Totally snake. That's what I call you. You still Robbie? Still, you tell me that I've always been into snakes. You do it. Yeah, they're pretty. Strong on their on your notebook. I did, yeah. And just lots of snake facts in class. Yeah, here, watch, watch that.
Watch this. Look, when I do this, if this snake was dangerous, I look just this, this usually convinces people, OK, just if I usually. And so I, I take a snake and I grab it by like the head very gently. And I and I whisper into its ear. I love you and the snake like licks my licks my face. Wow, that I love a man. OK, hey, so would I do this? And I reach into my pocket and I pull out a little snake sized tuxedo and I put it on the snake and I put on like a wedding
veil, you know? And out of the bushes comes another snake that's dressed like a priest. Okay. And then we stand next to. Each other. My God, there's one in the Bush. Yeah, he just kind of follows me around. Okay, I'm just gonna go stand. I'm just gonna watch. It's great. Will you hold this actually and I hand you a little ring? Yeah. All right. Cool. Yeah, No, you can stand over there.
That's fine. Yeah. The ring is also is Hardy Snake. I love that it's a no no no, that's not it's a it's a ring for a snake. It looks like a snake though. Isn't every ring for a snake technically? Depends on the snake. Depends on the snake I guess. It's like. Ring size. Yeah, ring size, snake size. Sorry, OK, Sorry you're. Doing nothing. Oh, thank you so much. Sir, are you, just to be very clear, are you marrying the snake?
No, no, no, no, that's illegal. That's that would be illegal and I, that would be very illegal. But I'm just, I'm just trying to show you that they're perfectly harmless. They're perfectly lovely, wonderful, intelligent, compassionate, caring creatures. So I pulled. Robbie, do you want to fuck the snake? I want to fuck the snake. Yeah, I want to fuck the snake. That's. Stinger. Stinger. Ching. Ching and then it's SVU. Ching, ching, Ching.
How if you were going to make the the SVU sound like I feel like Ching is not the right, like it's like Chong Chong. I guess that's interesting. It's a very full spectrum noise, yeah. You know what I mean? Like, like it feels too high if you're like Ching Ching. Yeah, I don't know. I think it because if I'm I'm listening, it's. More of like a bong Bong Bong Chong Chong. I'm also confusing it with the
the Adult Swim sound. Oh, you know when it has the brackets and then goes like the adults swim because that's a very higher pitch that one has like a ringing noise. No, the SVU 1 is very like Gong Gong Gong Gong. Yeah, it echo. It has like an echo. It has an echo. It fades on a higher spectrum. Yeah, well, hold on, I'm listening to it in my head. I feel like I have an app on my phone where I can just push a button and it makes the SVU. Now we can't hear it.
I've heard too many kung kungs in my head at various times and it's obfuscated the actual kung kung. Hold on. Sound button. Up. It's sort of like a a Laurel Yanny type situation. Oh, OK. People call it, people call it Dun Dun. Like they call it the Dun, but I don't feel like, I feel like it's a chop. Yeah. There's a there's definitely like a higher clicking.
Man. Like what I hear is picture like like a piece of bamboo that's like 4 inches in diameter and then you have like a drumstick and you hit it with the middle of the drumstick, like play it, play it again. Like I can hear that almost cowbell like sound. Hold on, I'm going to turn it up really low. Hear that? Cuz it's if that's like the pitch, you hear it like right at the top of the thing. Yeah, yeah. Also, dear listener, I am.
I'm probably not gonna go through and put in actual Dun Dun. I'm just gonna, I'm just gonna leave it. I feel like you'll probably be able to hear some of. Them Oh yeah, and plus I don't I'm sorry to want. It being too. It's also cuz it's like but then there's. And then there's a. This is ridiculous. We got to stop. We're going to find the person who made that Katie the Foley artist. Oh. My God, Can you imagine interviewing the person who bugs?
Can we interview the person who made the SVU? Dot com Yeah, that sounds incredible. I'm. Google I I. Wonder I was thinking about being a Foley artist yesterday. Who created the SVU sound Mike post also created the clang. The clang. Is that what they call it? The clang from SVU. Yes, Mike Post is the composer who created the iconic Dun Dun Sound for Law and Order SVU. Mike Post. Post described the sound. As a podcast. OK, what do you think that sound
is supposed to represent? The gavel. Interesting. Or something hitting like prison bars maybe? Yeah, posts describe the sound as a stylized sound of a jail cell locking. Oh, he also said it's a composite of various sounds, including a jail door slamming shut, a man hitting an anvil with a hammer, drum noises and most importantly. Fucking piece of bamboo. Oh my God, no. What 100 men stomping on a wood floor in Japan. Do they have to be in Japan or is that just where he found?
Out, that's what he says. Also, he might post produced Van Halen's Van Halen Three album No Shit, and he has created different versions of the sound for the show's spin off including Law and Order Organized Crime. We should listen to all of them back-to-back and try to find the differences. That's really. Good. I was really thinking about being a Foley artist. And Mike Post says that he calls it a Ching Ching because he's making money off of it.
That's what I'm saying. I'm saying it was like, you know what I mean? Yeah, that was my original sound pitch for that. What was do I what do I call it A Ching Ching? Or a Dun Dun, yeah, 'cause I a ching ching. Like that's what I always think of. But. Yeah, I guess, yeah. Maybe I read that once or. Something I think I hear it going Dun Dun as like when it gets referenced like in Family Guy.
If they're doing like a yeah, a law and order bit, they're like Dun Dun, you know, or like a resident alien. A surprising amount of law and order at references in the resident alien. Which is also unexpectedly good show. Yeah, Alan Tudick is a national Goddamn. Trap that was I was. I went into that show expecting absolutely fucking nothing and it has given everything. Yeah, Alan Tudick. For those of you who know, the premise is that Alan Tudick is an alien that crash landed on Earth.
And like assume the. Straight up fucking murders a guy. Straight up murders. Let us not forget that the whole premise of the show is based on lovable Alan Tudick trying to cover up the murder of the human. But he's like, if a tiger kills somebody, he doesn't, you know, we don't consider the tiger to have murdered somebody. Yeah. So like, an alien coming to the planet, like, murderers was pretty commonplace on their planet, from what I remember.
Like killing another. Yeah. It was just like, oh, I'm stronger than him. So. Yeah. But whatever, you know. The little the the guys in Galaxy Quest. Like the guys in Galaxy he's. Got a little, he's got a little hurt foot and then they eat each
other. Well, I, I think of when I watch Resident Alien, I genuinely found myself thinking, I wonder how they got the alien in the human suit because he's so good at playing an alien, playing a guy like it's so like you can see him trying and he'll pick up little things like if a person says something with a certain accent or something like that, you'll hear him like a scene later. Try to like, you know, like say it, but like in a subtle, it's just brilliant. He's so good.
Well, hey, I got to go make another podcast. Oh, you do OK. So we got to go, dear friends, but hey everybody, thanks for listening to Infinite Quest. A few important announcement. You can leave comments on Spotify now. You can leave comments on Spotify. You can also leave reviews if you would like to. We're trying to get to 500 reviews by the end of the year, so we would certainly appreciate it #2. Infinite Quest is going on tour. Just kidding, but you believed it for a second.
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Go listen, no, don't listen to it. Go read it. That would be fine. What else do we want? Start considering going to maker fares because if things go the way that I kind of want them to, I'll be going to more of them. So if you think about that, I don't know, I'm just, I'm just priming people, you know, it's a very different type of convention that we normally go to, so. But yeah, don't forget to get your absentee ballot if you need it.
If you're going on D3 at sea with me next week, make sure you have your absentee ballot taken care of because you will be on a boat in the middle of the ocean. But other than that, I can't think of any pressing announcements, can you? I got a job, but that's not really a big podcast announcement. I got a job at Fonco Studios. That's pretty cool announcing that start November 11th, baby. So proud of you both. I'm so proud of you. Thank you so much. It's gonna be a great time.
I'm gonna be doing a bunch of cool stuff that I can't talk. About Professional Maker Guy, yeah, I can't think of anything important. We'll keep you updated about the book. Listen to our other stuff. Watch our other stuff. Yeah, also because of our schedules being weird, because Katie and I are now very sort of disparate daily schedules, I feel like our podcast schedule is going to be more of like a dump, you know? No, it's. Possible.
Disagree hard. No. You want to do it more consistently? Yeah. OK. Yeah, that would be good for us. OK, I take that. I take that back. I didn't consult people before saying. That should have not talked about that. Live on air, that's fine. Dump what? What? What are you talking about? I was like about how our schedules are different. Decide later. Well, I would. It's OK. It's OK. It's OK. It's OK. I I would never mind, I could just keep making mouth noises. OK.
Anyways, yeah, that's I think that's about the the end of it. Cool. Well, anyway, my dear friends, thank you so much for being here. Thank you for continuing to listen to Infinite Quest. Remember to eat a snack, remember to take your meds, remember to drink some water. Remember to be kind to yourself, remember to be kind to others. And remember. Remember the 5th of Remember. Remember the 5th of November? And now we love. You and now we love you. Goodbye. Bye.
Nailed that outro. Nailed it. Good job on an outro. So good. You wanna make out now? Yeah, just put my tongue right.