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ADHD & Hygiene Pt 1: Tasks Add Up

Jan 11, 202341 minSeason 3Ep. 14
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In part one of this two-part episode, Cate and Erik sit down to talk about some of the more difficult and stigmatized issues that face ADHDers, in particular, hygiene. Showering, teeth brushing, cleaning our kitchens- all of those are tasks that require executive function (and, in Cate's case, working anti-depressants) to happen, which is NOT happening for us this week. Also Cate makes Infinite Quest history by being the first person to say "stinky butthole" on the podcast.
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Take take, take, take, take, take, take take. Hey, Eric, come to 2023. Holy shit. Yeah, this is the first one to turn. Yeah, official podcast of 2023. Welcome everybody to 2023. What's it like to be in an odd-numbered year? It's so far it's pretty good. I was my birthday yesterday. It was your birthday yesterday as remember that. We had a birthday party, it was really nice. Just great fun. We played Pai. Putt-Putt golf we did. And we did have to do math.

Oh yeah, it was amazing. That was the best Putt-Putt golf experience I've ever had in my lifetime. Like without question. Yeah, this is episode is sponsored by put check and put a check in Atlanta. This is place in Atlanta. It's called Pet Shack. And you go and is kind of a pain in the ass when you first walk in because you have to like, put in your like information that's annoying. She's an amount of like a weird

amount of information. Um but then you go upstairs to go to like the mini golf and they give you like a ball that has like an RFID Card. Heh. And so when you play it, just tracks everything for you. So it tracks like how many times you hit the ball and like you get like pulling incident like knows where the ball hits. It's very it's like smart Puck that's like smart it tracks.

I guess there's got to be an accelerometer or something in the ball to detect like getting it because there was one time when Chris picked his up and like moved it and it counted as a stroke and now you're getting away with something. It was amazing. It was like in each of the things was like a different like game, you know. So there was like one that was like pinball where you like hey It up a thing and then you get more of it knows where the ball

is all the time. And so like if you hit it over like a certain little spot, like little green lit spot, then you got bonus points, it was awesome. And you don't have to do any like masks were keeping right here. It's like bowling. It just, there's just screens that just like, display your points and how much you pay and stuff was sweet. And can decrease, his partner, got on the leaderboard for the entire day. Yeah, they had like a nine all

day. I think it was five when we left and we even got some guy, some guy beat her right before we But what are you gonna do? It's fine. We can be absolutely crushed it. Think crushed it. Those are great for this video. He's good. Well I hope I had a great time when it's good. It's good. I hope you did too. Is it was also a birthday coming at the. I feel like the tail end of like a big. I love you. But like depression spiral for me at least not been a great few weeks.

Yeah, I'm not doing great. I'm not gonna lie and also. Hi everybody. Welcome back today. I forgot to say that I was looking for like a segue. Then I just realized I was gonna have to shoot it in. Yeah. Normally I start with hi Katie but you beat me to it because it was I was fussing about, it's okay around. This was weird. We're making some dope Brooklyn Nine-Nine. Jokes our but yeah, I've not been doing great. I'm in the middle just because dear listener.

I feel like this is the type of stuff. Do you should know about in here about? We should normalize talking about but I'm in the middle of switching antidepressants and it is not going well, I'm very talented, it's not going great. I'm in that like weird transitory period. We're like, Old antidepressants are like out of my system but my new antidepressants haven't really kicked in and I'm pretty sure. Also the dosage is like way too low, so like I'm not doing

amazing. Yeah, the presents are weird because like the time frames are all very long, you know, it's not like you take it and then it feels away and you like, judge is this right for me? Can I do this? It's like you have to just like a month. Yeah, something to even to change. So like, you have to feel like shit for like weeks before. It's like and then they're like, okay, well, do you actually feel like shit or you just like Transit orally feeling like shit? Said, right?

So it's not maybe the best time I've ever had but I'm yeah, I'm getting by but today's episode is brought to you by the letter d for depression and also dumb stupid amounts of dumb stupid garbage. All over my dumb stupid floor. Yeah. And my body. I feel like I dirty dirty body. Yeah. I feel like when I get depressed my hygiene is the first thing to go out the window. Yeah. So today, we're going to talk about High She and ADHD around

and hygiene episode sounds. But it's weird because for years is one of her most popular episodes to we still get emails about the first hygiene episode. So, um, also we are, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I was gonna say bury the lead but I'm going to reveal the lead early. Is this is going to be a two parter gonna be a two-parter series. Oh, so come back on Thursday because we're going to is we're

going to bring it back around. What we are on that later we're going to talk about sex in hygiene and how Intimacy and sex can be affected by sensory issues that are often affected by things like hygiene and clutter. And I'm really excited because one, we have no sex episode in a hot minute. Yeah. But also to because I think it's a really interesting topic that not a lot of people talk about because nobody wants to talk about dirty butt holes podcast. But you know what?

I'm going to take that one for the team. It's fine. I had a breakthrough with my therapist about that the other week, which I will not start talking about now because once I, For Thursday before Thursday, for Thursday, it's okay, but come back because we're going to talk about sensory issues and intimacy and I'm really excited for that episode. But anyway, let's talk about the. We got to we got to lay the foundation before we talk Pie in the Sky. No. Sorry, rings and coffee cups.

And yeah, well I think so, for one with with high just hygiene, I want to sort of clarify. I think what we mean by that because hygiene, we mean like the obvious. I like, you know, bodily hygiene like brushing your teeth and shit. But then also like, Cleanliness of areas but not necessarily like clutter because I think there's a difference between like clutter and like dirty, ya know, cuz like clutter can lead to dirt, but dirt doesn't

necessarily lead to clutter. Yeah, you know what I mean? They're like, it's like an SAT problem. Yeah. Like my, for example, like my bathroom at my apartment I think is like, it's not very cluttered wasn't very clean like because I was just forget to clean because it's not cluttered and clutters the things I really worry about. Yeah. And so, if it's like not cluttered, I'm like, yeah, that's great.

And then, every once in a while, Oh, actually need to like clean this, you know, so we also when we started, I want hygiene. Well, we also mean like the hygiene of like an area. For example, before this podcast. We had to clear off a bunch of moldy coffee cups. Off of my desk just been sitting there and that of an odor. Yeah, I didn't notice the smell of but then you walked into my office and you're like, whoa and I was like, oh yeah, I guess, that's true. Yeah, and I want to point out,

we didn't get very sidetracked. I was kind of premise. We needed to get a trash can in trash bags. For the thing. And then I was like, ooh, it's still smells bad in here. Let's get a candle and then I found a candle, but I didn't have a lighter so that I had to find a lighter for the candle to get rid of the smell from the coffee cups, that you were putting in the trash can that we found. And then I took it outside, and I was like, ooh, tomorrow's trash day.

I should take the trash out to the curb while I'm doing this. And I was like, wait a minute. We had to record a podcast. You take their garbage cans to the curb. I didn't I just put through Christ and in the garage every day that we got, it will do that. But anyway, yeah. So dirt is not clutter clutter is not dirt, but they are deeply and intrinsically related.

Are you guys an interesting thing that is happening right now in our lives is that we are eighty HD / Chef English artist doesn't work for chuffing, our kitchen, we're making the kitchen more ADHD friendly and just like streamlined. And since Eric has a lot of experience in professional kitchens, we're kind of going that way. Like, we're setting it up, like they're like, a lot of it is just sort of based in that sort of like, professional kitchen.

However, right now, everything I have ever owned is out Out on like the counters and on the floor in like piles. Yeah. And I do this thing and it's and I've I need to go to therapy about it but I do this thing where I'm convinced that if I spend enough money, my problems will be solved. You may have noticed this, right? I'm gonna go full comrade on this one that is capitalism has trained, you deliberately to be

that way. So, I wouldn't, I wouldn't get too down on yourself, but it's like, so, but we put a peg boards. Like that was the big thing is we put a peg board. Said, I was really excited three of them and that is I went on Amazon and I bought, In absolutely Capri. I didn't understand how much I was buying. Like I was like, oh this is a reasonable amount of stuff to buy for a pegboard but then also I found out because again clutter is a problem.

Eric already had a bunch of paperwork stuff. So we have like six boxes. We have like board stuff. Yeah, that is just like now, I don't know what to do with, and it's become like its own problem, and its own set of boxes, and its own set of clutter on the floor.

But like, as I'm trying to like, live in my kitchen and and do things like the dishes is extremely hard because now there's like also bullshit everywhere that we aren't finished like doing because we're also having to like do our jobs in like our lives around the kitchen and it's become this just like weird issue of like everything is dirty and disgusting and it's cluttered and I'm very stressed.

But I'm so stressed that I don't want to go into my kitchen to do it. So yeah, that's where I'm at and I think that like I am a massive fucking fan of Peg boards and I think what's great about them is one their vertical invisible, which is my whole thing. I never liked say, that's my whole thing and like my own life. I say it all the time but I don't like make content my project. Let me work on it with that. But yeah, the two v's baby vertical invisible, but they're

also extremely modular. So it's not You're building something that just is what it is. Now, like, at any time, you can just sort of rearrange it and if you get new shed you can like change up how it goes. Yeah, that's really nice. That being said it is still kind of hard to figure out how to like, put one together. So right now, we're we're basic, we're sort of getting rid of redundancies I'd say yeah, kitchen.

Where there's like, oh you have like four of these but what buddy Boppity. Boop, bee flew, we only use this once a year, whatever, let's sort of going through that. And so I always I'm like Hesitant to set up the pegboard because we haven't gone through like everything. Yes. I mean, I think we're getting close, but, you know, is. Yeah.

And so I'm just in that place where it's like, I want to like, bring everything like out like which I know is a bad idea, I know like it is really frustrating. Okay, this is like a sidebar to like the hygiene but kick, okay. There's like this. There's like this trend where people will talk about like organizing and they're like, okay? So here's what you're going to do. You're going to take all of your stuff, you're going to put it in a Is for you can look at it and

I'm just like that. No, it isn't. No. Instead, it's a no for me, dog. And it's supposed to be, like, I'm supposed to I get where it's like supposed to be helpful and I get how it's supposed to work. But also like if I take everything out of the kitchen, is there it will? That's such like a project that is insane. You know what I mean? Not to mention. What's the item number? What Shakespeare's from but what it's like the idea of like you have as far to go as you have already gone.

Yeah. Isn't there like a cool Shakespeare line? Yeah, it's from Macbeth. Do you remember the items right on the spot? Oh God. It's I'm sorry we are in blood so deep twould. Well. Turn back as go. Or it's very those, very poorly. That sounds like an anagram for your lat. Did you know the letters in your name? Also spell was back to go or I'm sorry, sweetie. I mean to put you on the spot, but when you do big cleaning, things like that. Oh, see what this?

When you're doing the Raj. When you do big things like that, you do, what you do is you until you're like, all right, I'm starting to like be done now, you know, I got like 10 more minutes left in me, but As you do that stuff, as you consolidate your stuff into a place or whatever your you're creating more in front of you, you know. Because you didn't have to put it back so like so wrong about you really close. I'm in blood steep steps.

Oh, fuck me. I am in blood stepped in so far that should I wait no more returning were as tedious as go O'er vales is Christ, that's how is it allowed to write? Let what, what does that even mean? It means that it's if you're in the river, right? And you get halfway through the river, It was its you could either keep going or go back, but either way, you're going to be just as well as the same amount of dad just as.

Yeah, it's and it's a metaphorical River of blood for Macbeth because he just kept accidentally murdering people, excuse me, a lot of clutter. Anyway, bringing back the

butcher that quote. I'm so sorry that was wrong about on film, so it's fine, you know, we're racking them up, it's a cut like so this happened when we were cleaning the garage, we were organizing, like, garage shelves and to do that we were like taking All bunch of stuff off the shelves and I started like, you know, being kind of Dawn and I kind of sense that you might be getting kind of done as well.

And so I kept thinking like all right, if we spend the last 10 minutes of this continuing organizing, when we're officially, like dunzo is like energy-wise. We're going to have a bunch of like boxes and trash and shit that were probably not going to dress in. Then there's a bunch of trash so I was probably so I like sense that and I was like, okay stopping and like resetting so like spending the last Last little bit resetting so that you're not like fuck but that's so.

I feel like that's what kind of scares me about those methods of like, put all your such and such in a location to address it. Like I get to know that would work for a lot of people and I think that's probably worked for me several times like a working with clothes sometimes, but I don't have very many clothes, but I think that's actually scary about that message ID and I think what the kitchen word only, well we're sort of doing digestible chunks, you know, cabinets at a time.

So that at no point is everything just completely Really fucking brosh, you know? I mean it gets close sometimes but you know this like thing about I do. So like so log n. So so clutter is different that hygiene. So I feel like we got a little bit off topic but it's okay because it's our podcasts or are allowing podcast. Yeah. But like, I feel like the same kind of thing like, shows up the like when you're talking about hygiene as well.

Because hygiene, especially when you're talking about like personal like bodily, hygiene, a lot of that is grounded. And in executive function and I wish that we couched hygiene more in those terms because hiding is always sort of, like, I do want to say, taken for granted but it's always like kind of a thing that is just is like, well, of course, you

shower. Of course, you brush your teeth or as you remember to wash your hands, like it's just like it's stuff like that where for an ADHD person that might not be the case. And especially if you're an ADHD person who is also struggling with anxiety or depression or, you know, just a really, really bad executive function day. Like you may not be so inclined to shower or brush your teeth.

And it is so Market in people with ADHD that like statistically, they've studied it in with ADHD have much worse teeth. We have much of like higher rates of cavities. We have much higher rate of like medical issues like skin issues and stuff like that. And I think a lot of it it's related to that executive function, it's related to the be sheer, number of tasks that Come with doing something like showering or, you know, even

brushing your teeth. But it's like, you got to remember to do the hygiene tasks in order to be hygienic and that's frustrating. Yeah. And I mean not to mention all, I can't think of a hygiene task. That doesn't at least involve some like tools or like a coup Tamal, you know, like to brush your teeth, you need a brush and tooth paste in, probably a sink, you know, to shower, you need to our stuff and a towel and yeah. You didn't do laundry. I'm have a clean towel or whatever, like it all.

Just sort of piles up on Itself, Buddy. You're been doing so well. Bailey, with the way, she just kicked a piece of paper, it's true. She also never gets to be in this room, so she's having a party excited when that stuff just starts to pile up. I mean, it's the same as like, you know, the other stuff. We're talking going to the gym requires, like finding your keys and getting the proper Jews and finding socks and whatnot. Now, Eugene tasks all involve that and the worst.

The most, the thing that I struggle, the most with It is it compiles on itself, it's cyclical, like the one more time. I go in between showers the harder. It is for me to then shower because I get depressed about it. Like, I'll start to feel gross, you know physically, I'll just agree and then it's like, I'm a piece of shit because I didn't shower whatever it is, which then makes it more difficult to

then shower. Like, even get the motivation to start, trying to tackle the executive function heavy tasks. That is organizing a shower. No, the longer, it goes, the harder, it gets. And at some point like for me A lot of times like that, it is just white knuckling. It just in that moment where it's like, it's been, you know, a week, maybe more work because I don't, we don't have to leave

the house for work anymore. He said before I, you know, I couldn't be in a kitchen and, you know, people would one that would tell me but, you know, you can't, it's not safe for Preparation food Pro, you know. Yeah, but now it's like, you know, I can go a week without showering and like, you know, Buddy's gonna like be like, hey Eric, you don't come back to work until you sure whatever, you know. Yeah, but so, anyways, it just becomes at some point. Like, I don't have a method for it.

Like, I just fucking force my feet. I literally like a lot of times it literally is like walking, like, I'll be depressed as shit. Dirty is fucking bed and I'll literally have to be like, okay, step one sit-up. Yeah, step two feet on the floor. That's three, stand up that for right foot left foot Right foot.

Like I have to do each individual thing until eventually I'm like in the shower and even then I still have to be like okay, get your hair wet like I forget yeah because I get so deep Associated that like I forget that I exist in the world that I'm looking at like I feel more like I'm watching a movie around me and you know just happens to be very immersive you know. But I'll like forget that like oh I Actually am in a show. I'm not. Just like looking at a shower that's on from the insult.

Like I'm actually in the shower. Yeah. And so, it's the interplay is between my ADHD in my depression are always. I mean, they're horrible, but they're always fascinate me. Did you just look at the dog light on it? You just got that Bailey smile. Yeah, it's really cute. My dark so much. It's fine. I'm not gonna cry on my podcast about my dog. Just like hey, you can your pockets. My dogs are funny. What's your will? Sorry if you guys I mean I was

no, it's okay. I guess like the thought that I have I always come back to is that like most useful because like one like there's so many like it's what you said. Like there's so many like secondary tasks that come with basic hygiene and sometimes it's as simple as like, do you have a toothbrush? Do you have toothpaste?

Because there's like a solid week where there was no toothpaste in the upstairs bathroom and I was like, fuck, you know, I don't have any toothpaste on my apartment for a long time, you know, just gonna brush my teeth when I There. And then I brush my teeth here or like a big one.

For me is like towels, but that in, and then this is like, this is where we start slowly creeping into like sensory issues because I have a thing with like smelly towels, like, if a towel is like, has been like, sitting around for too long and so, it's like, you know, but it's I feel like if you don't have ADHD, if you don't struggle with executive dysfunction, it would be really easy to like listen to this podcast. And be like, wow, what a lazy piece of shit? You know what I mean?

But it's like, it's So much more, I think like complicated than that because it's like, okay. So one of my things is that if I will be upset if like I get out of the shower and my towel is like smelly, right? Because it's been like sitting around for too long. So now I have some option like option one, is that I have like every time I shower I put my towel like right into the washing machine. And so I only use a tell once which a lot of people do that. That's fine.

But then That's like okay now there's extra laundry now there's more stuff like now I have to remember to like bring the, you know, switch the laundry over.

Now I have to run, you know, whatever you know, dry the towel, whatever, for next time then there's like, okay well maybe I'll get a bunch of towels but then which is something that I did, that was a mistake because I was like, if I have 40 towels than Allah, but then it just becomes now, you 40 dirty towels and no clean ones, you know that it's like okay well if that's the issue then you know, maybe I'll get like a bathrobe or whatever or you know. And then there's like Like okay

well the solution is then. Instead of taking a shower all the time, I'll keep like those like body wipe. Like, you know, like shower and a bag type things. Like, okay, well, what happens when I run out of those or what happens when I, you know, I'm upstairs and I'm really struggling with with depression and I don't want to go downstairs, like there's always a thing and I think the issue comes not necessarily from like that being the issue, like, the

issue isn't the towel. The issue isn't the, the task of taking a shower. It's the fact that every single thing I do is manual. Hmm, everything I do is manual, so it's like, I have to manually.

Remember it's like, okay, if I don't like how my towels smell is done, I have to make sure that like, I put it back on the hook, you know, or I have to bring it to the washing machine that I have to do a lot like and it just becomes one thing and one thing and one thing and one thing when then it becomes just

easier to like that. I'm just not going to shower, you know, especially like when I I like how I feel now where I'm literally struggling to function like on, like, I'm weeks behind on some like, emails and stuff, because it's just, like, I answer a single email and I'm just exhausted, you know? And that's embarrassing. Like, it's embarrassing and it, and it's, I'm trying to let go of the shame of it because like, I feel like that's a big part of sort of like our mission.

But like, I can sit here and tell everybody it's okay. And you're not alone, but like boy, do I feel like a fuck up while I'm still giving, you know what I mean? Like Mayo for yourself. The same Grace, and forgiveness. That you so easily afford. Exactly. And so like I know there are solutions but all of those Solutions still involve task management.

All of those Solutions, still involve executive dysfunction and our executive functioning and so then when that executive dysfunction takes over, I think it can be really really easy to go. Well I'm just not going to shower today, you know? Yeah but then you don't shower today or tomorrow or the next day it was like three or four days and like you're gone your grungy and then do you still have a Kiki towel, you know, I just I don't know I just get so

frustrated. I get so frustrated by so much of the advice that's out there and so much of the like I don't know, I'd like I guess like yeah, advice that. That is so vested in this like of course, this is a simple thing. Of course, this is easy, you know? And it's like, it's not it's not easy, it's not easy to shower. It's not easy to remember to

brush your teeth. Like I am. 35, as of today, am like, I still have to manually remind myself every day to brush my teeth like yeah, you know, and it's just like I saw that's the part that I just get so frustrated with is like, How such simple tasks can be. So Monumental because of like, oh, I forgot to put my towel back on the hook, the last time, I showered. So it was like in a pile on the floor where I got all stinky, and that was my last house.

So now, I either have the choice of drying off with a stinky towel, or doing a load of laundry, but doing that load of laundry, is going to completely take all of my spoons for the rest of the day. So I'm still not going to shower like you know what I mean? Like, Like yeah, it's like I don't have like a good solution. Like that's the shitty thing is, I feel like we're sitting here like bitching with no like real. Like and here's how to fix it. Dear listener.

But it's like I don't really have like stuff like that is like the stuff that I really fundamentally struggle with because you know, it's like okay, clutter manager, clutter,

you know, like whatever. But it's like when it's stuff that is deeply intrinsically related to like depression and like the struggle of like I don't know, caring for yourself an existing it's just like it's a lot more complicated and I feel guilty and weird that I don't have like a like and here's my top 10 solutions to fix it. I'm just like complaining. So don't you mean? Sorry. Dear listener.

I don't know what you mean. I mean I think any quote unquote solutions that I could offer one their view but it's more of like sometimes like Sometimes, I'm pretty good with hygiene. Yeah. But I don't I don't I can't attribute that to physical things that I do. Sometimes some things we can, I put my toothbrush on those side of the thing so I like have to see it whenever I go to the bath. You know. Like that works pretty well for me. And I always I'm a one towel guy.

I have one towel, that's it. And I hang it up. Hopefully. Usually, you know, in a place and that stops me from getting like a big backlog of like dirty towels is because I only have one, you know. So like I Use that a couple times until I run out of clothes and then I just throw the towel in with the clothes that works for me. That also works really well for

dishes and silverware. Like if you live alone or with one person I have as many of a Dish as you have people living in the house, plus one for guests and that way like you literally can't fill your sink with dishes because you don't have enough of them to do that. Like it's impossible that worked for what for me for a while it stopped after I moved here because new sink new kitchen, My Hope. And got scrambled. I have 800 plates because I lie.

I did the exact opposite. I do the exact opposite thing is one of the things I'm realizing is your like a minimalist in that way of like, that's your fix for, like a lot of your executive function issues and - exactly the opposite, like I will go buy more towels. Before I do a load of laundry, it is such a toxic tree, I don't, I'm that way with

underwear. Yeah. Like I songs honestly really go buy new towels or like new sheets and I realized that comes from like an immense amount of Like privilege to, you know, but it's like I'll go to the fucking good. Will, you know if I'm strapped, don't be like, here's my dollar sheet or, you know what I mean? Like, when I think when it, when it, when I'm doing well, I I can't it's hard for me to attribute it to any physical things that I'm doing. I'm sure there are some but

like, you know, wiping, no weed. I knew we were going to record this episode today and I was been thinking, but I really can't think of like oh when I do this it's way better. Except for those things I just mentioned, but I do notice that it's It's always preceded by a feeling towards myself of this person. Deserves to be clean. Yeah, and hygienic which is a hardest part.

I think I said in the cooking episode, which was also a year and a half ago, that the hardest part of cooking for yourself is thinking of yourself as somebody worse cooking for, and I think the same is true with, with hygiene the hardest part about it, for me, is Thinking of myself who's as someone who's deserving of not feeling like shit and their own body. Yeah. And then after that, you still have to deal with the executive dysfunction.

You have to deal with the fact, you might be immensely depressed, but I think for me, it has to start there. I have to I have a lot of them have to it. It helps to start their to think of myself.

As I, you know, I'm worthy of Being whatever like it oftentimes when I'm, you know, doing hygiene things when I'm really down in the dumps about myself and I feel ugly inside and out, it feels sort of like, you know, if you had the same shitty shit, shit car for 40 years or whatever you drive it to work and it's just barely chugging along. But, you know, you like what are your waxing? It you know you're detailing it. Like that's a car's a piece of shit. You know what are you doing?

It kind of feels like that. It's like this futile. Like why would I do this but that's stupid and who benefits from that. Nobody benefits from that. Yeah, I also I always feel like there's a little mean man in my head and he's happy when I mean to myself and I am always trying to keep him happy and it's like, there's no little fucking may, like, your nobody's benefiting from you being mean to yourself. Like, yeah, that's not a thing. There's no party that is better for it. Well.

So I also think about and I read this quote, I think I just played it. But on the last hygiene episode, which is from Rick and Morty. Look at that, a straight white man, talking about Rick and Morty, sorry, I'm very embarrassed by how much I liked Rick and Morty's, okay?

You've really likes old Miracle Moretti and I have like secondhand embarrassment because I'm just like, I also it's I don't know, it's whatever they're not like, oh my God, I'm so smart because I get the jokes and Rick and Marty like, but I would still like her and it's really good shots. Look at writing but there's an episode where it's a long story, but Rick goes to therapy, it ends up with Rick in therapy and he He gives this whole spiel about how therapy stupid.

He's very smart. So it'll sounds all cool and normally like the writing, but what really made this sort of a poignant moment to me is normally Rick's. Spiels is like the end of it because he's the smart guy, he's the whatever. So you're kind of expect that to happen but he doesn't the therapist comes back and gives this monologue season to your playlist.

Susan Sarandon. Yeah. Um, but I don't know if you'll indulge me, I'll paraphrase a bit but it has to do with hygiene and I think it's really Good. But she shows up. She says, Rick the only correlation I see between your on questionable intelligence in the sickness destroying your family, is it everybody in your family? You included, use sickness or use intelligence to justify sickness. Skipping some, he says, I've

known. I've no doubt that you would be bored senseless by therapy the same way that I'm bored. When I brush my teeth and wipe my ass because the thing about cleaning maintaining and repairing is that, it's not an adventure. There's no Oh way to do it so wrong, you might die. It's just work. The fact of the matter is that some of us are okay with going to work. Some of us would well, rather die. Everybody gets to choose. I think about that all the time. The you just have this, like,

casually, whatever ice. I don't know. I feel like I memorize things by accident a lot, but, but I think little is, it's just fucking work, you know, I keep wanting to it to be like, You know, not only do I want this such like strategies in place to make it easier like towel racks and that

kind of stuff. But I also want it to be high stakes, like I want to convince myself that it's like this epic adventure and I need to get my equipment in my team together in like form a fucking method like it's a goddamn Beef Wellington or something so that I can win showering and I can win the hygiene game but that's just not what it is. It's just dumb bullshit that you got to do because when you're born, You get a body and bodies get dirty by nature of existing

and you just have to do that. Like you don't literally have to you know, it's up to you but it's just part of it, you know. And I desperately want it to be more interesting and Grandeur and higher Stakes, but it just never is going to be and that's just what it is, you know. Yeah. And Very rarely well. So maybe a larger point that I want to make, but no matter how dirty you get, you can always shower the like, if you shower every day, you're exactly as clean after showering as you are.

If you shower every two weeks, if you don't try for two weeks and then you shower your back to clean. Great, congratulations. You know, you're not, I mean, it's take us. It's different at the reason I hesitated that it's different with like Teeth. Ya know, cuz your teeth can get permanently damaged. But yeah. I can be okay with going to work, but I also that was there's probably good place to end but I also just wanted to say that my big sensory thing

with showering is my feet. Getting dirty is like I get all clean but then when you step out of the shower your feet, hit the ground and now immediately they're probably still a little wet. And now now there's ground Gunk on the bottom of your feet and you put your socks on over it. And it's like a little which the solution to that is slippers our slippers, which I thought about every week for the Ten fucking years and I still don't have slow person.

That might my dude I got you have some, they're downstairs in the dining room. I bought them when we were going to go swimming. Oh yeah. Solve that problem for you, preemptively. Oh, I remember you said that and I didn't want you to be crossed out of the locker of side wildflowers shower slippers, sweetie. That's so nice. Thank you so much. It's very thoughtful. Welcome. Oh right. You want to feel like everybody is news package like Katie, Derek or gross. Ass.

I'm embarrassed. They bugged me out in their gross on me out there, gross? No, like, I don't know, like to close. Like I think that's part of it as I think that part of it is like, we like one of the big things that we've always had out to do, is for like destigmatize. A lot of these conversations do you suck? Because it's really, I don't know. Like I'm an adult and I'm pretty responsible and I'm pretty capable. But like, I struggle with showering. I struggle with brushing my

teeth. I struggle with, like a lot of it also becomes like impossible. Asks, ya know, if there's like the container of food that's been like, you know, just that's there and I'm like I should clean it and then I don't and then he gets grocer and I'm like, well I don't want to do it now because he's gross and I'll do it later but I just froze her and grosser grosser but I don't want to do it.

The more that it gets gross. And so because it's impossible task, instead of just like describe the fucking food in the garbage Glide, grow up, you know. And so sometimes it's like, I think you have to be like, realistic. And looking at yourself and being like, okay, like what kit, what can I do now that is going to prevent that sort of like, stinging towel Quandary from happening or make things even one percent better? Yeah, you know, man, I think everything worth doing is worth

doing poorly. You know, maybe you're not gonna do a whole epic, everything shower, which I just learned about, it was, it was, it was a girl secret that they take everything showers or they use all of their, this is not, I know, you know this Katie but it's this is to to the people who don't know whatever they did where they use everything. They have all they use all the products they like if they shave

they shave. If they use a whatever special mask thing that you like they do all of the things like a Fucking process and it seems Delight. Okay, if you're up to it, you were in the shower for 45 minutes have really good. Acoustics is just sucking balls are. Let's say this is you be King of Everything showers? Really I really like a face mask like a please.

Do I need to, I want really want to start doing that kind of stuff like the, the long-term stuff, because I do like immediate cleaning or like, but I don't do the thing that's gonna like we had a used in skincare. Yeah, I need a recommendation. For Eric, please email us. We have a necklace. Podcast.com. Oh yeah. I definitely skin care stuff. I got, I got exome. Uh-uh ex-mafia normalize, having axilla. What? Alright everybody. Thank you so much for being

here. Tune in on Thursday or probably atonally similar conversation about how all the stuff can affect sex. I feel like I should. You should have exciting sex an idiot. She is your thing. I feel like I stole that from. That's So Hard podcast right there. Early dearest Astro. My name is on the playbill. It's true. I forgot Haiti and Eric's Story. How, wait till you meet Steve? You're fired.

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I swear on the grave of William Shakespeare himself, I will We'll update the fucking website, but we'll get the website updated and all that good stuff. So, y'all know where you can start finding us and to 2023 a couple of just me announcements is that, okay? Yeah, sure. I'm going to be doing D3 at Sea, this year, for the fall around. So over Halloween, if you want to come play D&D at sea. With me that's at its how right Cati e. Ya SE c-- a like on about yeah,

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Drink some water. Eat some food. No, isn't that perfect snack to eat a snack? Damn it. I didn't know is so scripted as I try and keep it consistent. Oh, okay. Well, right. Let's think about showering. You know, if you don't it's not a failure, forgive yourself, if you don't. That's okay. No, you got this. Maybe you're in the shower right now in which case, nice showers pictures, send us email us with what bring mr. Speaker.

I'm broke. So I need I need a recommendation name, although you look really good in that shower, good job. Oh, there's are gonna meet us. I know it was a joke because I was like we're in the shower with them. Like oh yeah. You look real good showering. Good job. Good job. One slip. Be careful and 80s music video. I'm sure our Montage little exact see you slow mo. Oh yeah this is going really well. See you in the shower and she was absolutely. Cake, none of mine.

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