ADHaDult Can Science Good With ADHD

Hello and welcome to episode 3 of Katie, and Eric's infinite Quest, an ADHD Adventure. Thank you so much for joining us today. We are joined by special guest a th adult capital, a DH lowercase, a capital D ult, on Tick, Tock that required. A lot of clarification. She's an awesome Tick-Tock, Creator and ADHD Advocate. She's got blue hair. She's from Canada, she's great. We talk about houses, we talk about hippos, we talk about house hippos, Talk about the gut microbiome.

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Katie, here's the show. Welcome to our super professional podcast. We're so glad you came Carly. Okay. So how to do a science good? How about I do a science? Good with ADHD, Eric, we have to do the same. Okay, and also don't, come on, we'll have that on for days. Thanks, Katie. That this is a perfectly fine clap. Fuck you fine. That's fine. Okay. It's spiked on mine was like that's fine. Maybe it's just maybe it's just the fact that I'm bad at stuff in general.

Alright, I am going to fullscreen this or don't get distracted. It's very I'm gonna just stop. I guess it's helping kind of, oh, do you want to do you want to set the timer or should I have a timer going? Or what's up? Oh, I'll run time if you want. That's fine. Stage manager, Casey definitely your department. Okay, I'm sending her the thing and then we wait and then I can click. My pain is going to pick up in my fancy new microphone.

I just realized I can't touch anything this whole time or it's going to pick up. No I'm very stressed know you dude you can't. I can anyway we can cut it out. Doesn't matter at all. Oh wait. I feel like just the been the whole time we're just gonna be like. Yeah, you can be like clicky, clicky cotton quilt behind me. I need to figure out. I'm gonna fiddle with them. Reminds me, I need like silent. All this is quiet. I've got this little hook. Yeah, this is. This is really quiet.

I can just play with us. I'm still so mad that I didn't know that there were fucking fidget toys for picking until literally yesterday. Oh yeah. You made a video about that but it will sure she did. His podcast were content. We're wasting here. We're recording podcast the pot bro. Yeah we are in the podcast right now. I forgot we were I forgot. I just pressed all those buttons. Haha. I was like, no, no, the content. I can see it slipping away. Welcome to Katie and Eric's infinite Quest.

That's the opener. Like we just made the opener for no I just forgot. I clicked all those buttons. Save it for the podcast while we talk hoarding the goddamn podcast. I have to figure out what I'm gonna do with. And gosh, my computer fan is, so loud gonna be able to write? Yeah, my computer might like, that's why I have to get a new laptop because I'm pretty sure that my computer is about to explode, like, it's so bad. Don't act like you're taking it apart.

And I've like cleaned out the fan and I like clean out all the dust and whatever. But it's just like It's just out of class legs. It's that great. Alienware sponsor podcast. Some Bunny come Gator that's stuck in my head by the way. Oh I got I'm sending it to Carly on Discord because this is headphones, are squishing my glasses into my ears and now my ears hurt. My name's Katie really Bissell hard. I have sensory processing difficulties you asshole.

Whoo. Okay, so my God, my senses, my senses are, oh my God, my computer fan, man, I'm freaking out about my computer fan. Mine mine is going to be in the background of my like I've just asked for this. These are all problems. These are problems. That people are going to enjoy watching us. It's time. I mean just the the also that my my stool doesn't have a back. And so I just squirm for the entire like that's all I do. I just score. Oh Kitty. Shut up.

Carly. Carly is in the I'm sorry, Carl. He's in the waiting room. Okay. Great. I'm about to like Carly and I'm excited and I'm nervous and it's gonna be great. I'm going to be so good. It's gonna be just just take a deep breath is gonna be so good. Podcast, episode, 30, cast episode 3. Here we go. Carly! Hi! Hello! Hi I really didn't think we're

gonna pull it off. Instead of my big floppy headphones because I was like, Katie and I can't both be wearing big floppy headphones and be like, big floppy headphones. You can put them on if you want. It's up to you, they might be worse. They're very old. It was back in my do, today's, when I would play online game, you have to do, whatever makes you feel comfortable. That's what you should do.

Well liked in, this looks very fancy from the front but what you can't see is the literal Korean face mask. That is propped up against the boom to make it not move. Like I'm not a fancy person very professional. Did you say Korean face mask? Yeah, it's don't move it. Your full thing's gonna fall. No, I have to this isn't Amateur hour. I have a backup Korean very fast to hold my microphone. Boom in place. Eric, everybody send send Katie more Korean face masks.

She needs, I love Korean face mask. Only has two. E's. Is there a difference between Korean face? Smith, what makes? I don't know, but they're like a hole there, like a whole Beauty Trend. And and one of my friends, like got me an Ipsy bag for Christmas. And if C is just like Korean face, best, Korean face, best Korean fit. Like it's just like they always put one in there. I had imagined us from Ipsy. I guess they're probably Korean.

Yeah, I don't know. It's like it's like a whole, it's a whole genre, beauty product. I feel like I should educate myself more on. What is the difference between a regular face mask and a Korean Won? But I don't know. Apparently, they're really popular. What with the Beauty influencers on the YouTube, but she the beauty gurus, pretty gurus. Oh, and please please, please do keep talking about Brands. Oh yeah. Please keep talking about Brands like, that's yeah. Sweet. Sponsorship money?

Yeah, it's probably around the, the topic of ADHD Carly. What shampoo do you use? Just weird question. I don't have just look your shoulders. Your hair does look quite nice and are our constant search for sponsorships is just does awkwardly shoot like morning in like terrible like That was going to be really funny and then, I forgot how to talk. It's fine. It's gonna be on my gravestone, that was gonna be so funny. I use no shampoo and I'm like, famous for my hair because my

hair is awesome. You had tried to know. I tried the no poo method. I couldn't, I couldn't manage it. I could, I got, I got to like, two weeks and I was like, it's still so Gracie. Yeah. Excuse me. Excuse me. Explain, explain this the words that just came out of your mouth? Well, I for one. I was when you said I tried the no poo method, I was going to say I was going to say have you tried prune juice but then he used the word greasy and it kind

of broke the bit down. So but I wanted you to know. I had something for that. I hate that. I hate everything. About what you just said. It's a poop joke. It's a poop joke or seven minutes and it's a poop joke. So Carly. Hey thanks for being here. In our super serious and professional podcast. We thank you for having me. Oh yeah, that's right. We should probably do that kind of stuff. Oh, by the way so your your Tic-Tac name is eight Capital. ADH lowercase, a capital D ult.

Correct. You got it ath adult adult. So it's okay. So it is a th adult. Yeah. Is that how we like? People should refer to you ath adult or ADHD? Adult II mean? I don't really care. But it's stealthy th adult and that's how I have been saying it a th adult. I'm not mad. Okay, so I'm writing that down for the, for the, for the intro part. Because excited about we're like

Katie Katie came. So I was like, Katie Katie and I were like, alright, lets me. Let's, let's join a little bit early to make sure we're not going to destroy all this and Katie. It seems like you wanted to record the intro, right then, which is where I was pretty well because it was like, because a lot of times when like, because I go on a lot of podcasts and I talked about Shakespeare, right? And so my name's Angela:, So fancy. I'm so fancy sexy sex stories. I was well.

And like, and actually, I was totally copying. Sunny like that was like that, literally, I was copying Sunny Megatron in that moment. Because that's what they like. Because they record something like before she is something that like she didn't say, while we were talking, but then she was also like, hi. This is study Megatron. This is American sex tonight. Today we have Katie were excited and I was like, hi, everybody. And then the podcast started, I

thought that was a good idea. Now, you're making fun of me for it. So I'm so if conscious good, good artists borrow great artists steal. Katie. Remember oh Carly, how are you? How are you? I am great today. I'm so excited to be here. This it's whelmed all of my stresses and I'm just like fun things. Finally, yay, I like your Christmas lights. Oh, thanks. It's because this room doesn't

have an overhead light. So we hung up some Christmas lights in, you know, classic student roommate fashion. Nice. That's, that's, that's a way of life in my household because I hate overhead lighting. So, now, I get it. I get it Christmas lights, were like no, Katie. No, no, please Katie. Do you got, I was going to talk about the I could I went to a really fancy boarding school, that's what I was gonna.

But no, no, there'll be plenty of Christmas lights in the in where that we're Christmas lights allowed in the Ravenclaw common room. So I need to read more things in become more versed in Harry Potter. So I can destroy joke opportunities like that one. But today, I'll watch them go by. No Christmas lights were the best way to let your dorm room. Everybody wanted to have the dorm room.

At everybody hung out in, like, after hours and stuff, and it took a little while to notice that it was Christmas lights. That was the secret the way that Christmas lights lit. The room just like subconsciously made. Everybody want to go there and then you'd have the cool hangout room that are also that or level a if it was 50 years ago. Yes, I've never owned a lavalier. I've had one growing up. I was clearly very cool. Clearly clearly don't ask anyone for my childhood.

To corroborate that I mean I think they like there's like a special kind of cool that you have when you are ADHD like that. I genuinely think like there's like a special brand of cool that you find but it's like it's not a childhood cool like you're not cool when you're a child but it's like somewhere around like age like 20 you're like okay yeah yeah yeah okay alright I'm peeking I'm peeking like that's that's I genuinely Yuan Li feel that way.

I feel like I'm so not cool for so long and then all of the sudden in like the mid, you know, 20 2010's. Everybody Started Loving LeVar Burton and I was like, haha, Vindication. Yes, dating rainbow is cool. Wow. How does LeVar Burton connect to? You becoming cool because when I was a kid, I used to get mercilessly made fun of for liking Reading Rainbow and I fucking loved Reading Rainbow.

I fucking love. Ring Rainbow like one of my goals in life is to meet LeVar Burton and I was like, I really like LeVar Burton and, and Reading Rainbow and then, like Now Reading Rainbow is cool. And everybody's like, yeah, LeVar Burton like he's a cool guy. He does Reading Rainbow and I'm like, fuck. Do you think I don't know? I think maybe. I think maybe it might be. But yeah.

Like it's so now like everybody's like, hit to Levar Burton and I was like, bitch, I knew I knew I was I was early on that train and spine also just like General nerdery has become cool. Now like yeah, interests and be into like D&D and Magic Gathering, and like, stuff like that. Now, it was. So, what are your, what are your fandoms? What are, what is the things that you like? Oh, man, currently or like, throughout my life because it

changes a lot. I mean, just, you know, which which ever you can give us the broad overview or the daily update. It's fine either way. Yeah, so, I mean, like I played D&D and Magic the Gathering 11, High School. I still, I kept a couple MTG decks. For some of my friends and still play, we play every now and then, but I don't gonna like Friday Night Magic anymore because I'm not like a teenager with like disposable income to just pour into that friggin

expensive game. Yeah. And just I for a while, I was obsessed with Dota 2 playing that awful off. What is dota stand for? Yeah. What is that? Okay. What it, what is that? Tell us about that? I don't know. That isn't all heard of League of Legends. Okay. Yes yeah. So it's like the main competitor for LOL. Ok. Ok lol be toxic communities. They're just got us through that absolutely toxic online community. It's a, it's yeah.

From what I've heard, it's not it's not the best thing but I'm bad at online games so I don't I don't you know you I trust your opinion. You know more than me my brother please so it's just fucking watch it. Okay, my brother plays, what? Okay you guys are talking shit about. Out my brother here. So online game, my brother is on my game. Yes, my brother online game TM that's him.

I was also experimenting with how quiet I can do kind of like subtly because it works over here, but it doesn't work over here. We're going to come because it doesn't work at all. It doesn't work. Fuck. That's the whole that's a whole element of Comedy Wheatley interrupting the wolf, a nice super awkward. That's why I do. I'm the Loose Cannon, baby. I'm the I'm the wild card. That's what I do. Oh God, there's so much. The fuck? Are you talking about?

Okay, so we're going to take that back, we're going to cut all of that out. We're gonna pretend like that never fucking happen. Eric by the end of this is just going to be Katie's infinite Quest, reward act. My name is all the. Every once in a while have something useful to say in the rest will just be me holding back burps and farts and less of you in every episode wear a red shirt every time. So when you kill me off and make sense, The red shirt stop being the people that were easily

killed. And in fact, they had it of more modicum of protection because they were, oh, this is the first time this has happened. No, no, okay, Katie cut out. I did Katie boba tea. Wait am I? So let's let's just let that figure this thing out. What? Hey you're back you guys froze. Just a drop o my internet. Canadian connection is unstable. I don't know. Well, that's what happens when you start talking shit about me. You have I know.

I was like I actually might go see I'm a minute that's long enough, but let me let me go. Carly Eric cover cover for me. Jesus Christ. I drank coffee today? Like normally I take, I like, I either take my met while I always take my meds. But then, like if I drink coffee as well, I have to like you like okay now I'm drinking coffee.

So be careful. Like I have to drink one cup over the course of a day but today I didn't because I was doing podcast stuff and I was like I'm gonna drink all of this thing now and now I'm making Katie's life, very difficult, which is my favorite thing to do. Ever. So it's not top number 2 of T. So, cat Cup O tea. Do you feel so what it's sort of a chicken or the egg question? Do you feel better than everybody else? And then say, Oh, I drink tea or

do you drink tea? And then feel better than everybody else which is it, how does it work kind of General? I'm just obsessed with tea that, I don't know. I think it's, I think it's a Canadian company, so don't think that you guys have it there. But speaking of sponsorships David's Tea is just like the best David's Tea. I think it's Canadian. Yeah.

But like, they have just like fancy teas with, like, like this one has coffee beans in it. It's a tea that has coffee beans and Candy pineapple and like a bunch of stuff and somehow all of the weird combination things make it taste like a vanilla cappuccino. No, but it's t Jesus.

If only if only the 4,000 years of the years ago, Chinese culture could see us. Now, like if you taste like a frappe a frappuccino, its components, how many work concentration of coffee, beans can a tea mixture have before it becomes, I guess 50/50. Well, yeah. Oh my God, lets do 50/50. Let's make a 50-50 brand, it'll be called half and half and we'll sell that. It'll be tea coffee, it'll be toffee sauce used to participate in whatever, Abomination, know watching a friend and I'm out

tiki-taka everybody. We're gonna we're gonna do have a softie. Do you hate to choose between tea and coffee? Do we have news for you? We got wine drunken invented, cock to you too. Kate, Siri in the afternoon for you, or you okay your wine drunk. No, no, that's cool. Hitting your teeth are right? Come on. All right, jokes on you. I hate red wine. Ha ha ha. You'll never catch me. So the good news is that I found an ethernet cable, the bad news

of just like two feet long. So it serves us, no purpose, but I didn't bring it down as it hilarious prop. That's comedy. Yeah, podcasts are great for visual comedy. I love, I love a good visual bit and a podcast. It was a blue ethernet cable just for further. So, the joke was that I held You swing it on it it was really cool. Is like some Errol Flynn shit. But you have to although I suppose it is going to be on YouTube to so technically

speaking. Yeah, it's and I could work, I'd probably over thought that bit so Carly. You have three degrees to bachelor's and a master's. Is that correct? It's so fancy. I know you told me before, what are they So my first ones, one was a Bachelors of Science in neuroscience and mental health and then the second one was a master's in neuroscience and then I completely changed my mind.

And what I wanted to do because I was going down like the research path and then found out that research wasn't for me and decided. I want to be a psychotherapist, but to get into the masters of counseling psychology. I needed a Bachelor's of psychology, not a Bachelor's of Neuroscience. So, I went back and got a bachelor of It's in Psychology so that I could do that Masters even though, like most of the courses were the same and they

were all the same material. And I'd like I stated through that degree because I was like, I've done all of this. Why didn't my other degree account for that? But so now here I am degree number four. That's an amazing first off, congratulations, because that's a shitload of hard work. Holy shit. So what made you want to switch? This, like really interested me because I Macadamia nerd like I love me some research so what made? You want to switch over from

research to to the Practical? Practicum. Is that the right fancy word? Yeah I do. I have a practicum in my degree but yeah, the Sophia, what's your practicum? It's like, the the doing part of doing the totally practice like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So it was during my Master's of Neuroscience that I realized it because I was my thesis was on depression and the gut microbiome. So, like, the bacteria that live in your digestive system is different.

That. So I was working like one-on-one directly with participants where they would come in and do a bunch of like different surveys and stuff. Give me a fecal sample and a blood sample and stuff like that. So yeah. And I liked the like in lab science e Parts with the like pipetting and the like running analysis and stuff. That was all super fun but I hated the writing part and I hate the whole atmosphere of Academia where it's like publisher die. Like you're not going to be

successful unless you publish. And always be applying for Grant applications and stuff like that. Like, that's just so stressful, especially when I hate writing. So yeah. And I like to, like in person part 2. So I was like, well, why don't I just make a career out of the universe in part. If I enjoy so much interacting with people and helping people. And that's yeah, that's why I changed my mind.

So, I'm curious, I love to turn this into an interview but so the amount of bureaucratic like like you might find on a podcast like you might not make sure nobody thinks this is a legitimate. Thing. But, like so, when you were talking about all the Hoops that you had to jump through to get the paperwork, well, till you know, of course, to learn the things that you want it to

learn. But ultimately to, you know, get the degrees that you needed the pieces of paper that allowed you to progress in the direction that you wanted to progress. I was, I am still in awe of your focus in motivation to go back and go. I've already taken these classes but I need it such to take this other class, like, that's why I could never do schools. Once that starts stuff started to happen, I was like, I screw all this.

I'm out. So I'm just it's interesting that like, it seems like do you bureaucratic annoyingness of research that was like so much. Like you being a person who already jumped through. All these bureaucratic Hoops. It was so much. So, in the research field that you couldn't handle it. So how do the people who do research in those fields handle it, like just different different blokes different folks.

I guess like yeah like I've talked to like my friends that have continued along the research path and they just they're like yeah I hate grant writing but like it's a hazard of the job and I'm like I just can't picture that being my life like constantly having to worry about funding and like ethics approvals and like all of this paperwork and this like writing it's really the writing that I really just I just don't want to write that much for the rest of my life forever.

How did it feel to like have have a D like presumably you're studying. I mean I imagine the reason that somebody is wonderful and good hearted as you would study neuroscience and all that stuff would be to overall like to do useful and helpful work. So was it all? How did it feel to perhaps have have something that needs funding and then have to go like, sell it. Sell that idea like all of a sudden switching to, like, marketing mode to sell why people should get you funding to

do this. Objectively good thing. NG like, how did, how did that feel? Like that would have been admitted? Sounds infuriating. It sucks. It's infuriating. And you're right. It sucks. And like, yeah. And that's part of the reason why I wanted to like, stray away from that and just go straight to the help and part, right? So what is so yeah, tell us more about the, the helping part, like what is that going to look like for you? Like once you've gotten your second Masters, casual fans?

Yeah so well this master is includes practicum I think that's how you say that. Competition. Sure it was said that word where I have to like do a placement be supervised and stuff like that. So some people get jobs directly out of that. I hope to eventually open a

private practice some day. And yeah, I specifically want to work with like the lgbtq community just because like, they don't have as many resources and a lot of psycho therapist and psychologists and psychiatrists are old white men that don't really understand the struggles to BT community. So we're yeah. Help make that more accessible, we love that we love like, oh man, that makes me delighted and happy, thank you for being an excellent human being.

That's Travis. Also, Eric had all of these like really like wonderful, like Nuance questions. And my question was on at, like, how much how many, how much poop have you handled? Oh man, so much poop. I just think that pictures to show you. There's there is this drawer. I'm pretty sure it's still back at the lab that I did my masters.

Because the start of the study is continuing without me, they need more participants sitting there, unrefrigerated filing cabinet, this locked, filing cabinet with vials upon vials of know sitting in the harz it on. There's a filing cabinet full of poop. Yeah, what Katie who told you about that? Oh sorry. Protecting my God, I'm upset. Stuff too. And they're like completely sealed.

You don't smell anything but like there's a lot of poop and I'm so it's like there's I guess I never thought about the amount of like like poop in relation to mental health. Like now I'm like really interested in. This is like it's like the new sexy Topic in science right now. Super sexy. Oh yeah finding relationships between the gut microbiome and everything. Okay, so I mentioned, you're collecting these, these shit

samples. I was trying to think of something funny that these duties examples. He's poopy poopy duty duty poopy samples, and I imagine you're taking some sort measurements on those to try to figure out what the gut microbiome that produce that shit. Okay. Like what Pretend like I'm an idiot, who doesn't know what a gut microbiota like, I totally do, but just pretend like, I don't, what is that, and why

should I care about it? What it's, and also, if you're listening to this and you don't own a gut microbiome, as you're not an idiot, I'm sorry, Katie, just directly called you don't, I don't, I don't know what it is. That was the joke. It was a joke, is that? I have no idea what it is. Okay. So inside your digestive system, there are bacteria that live in there. That's their home. They just, they just chill out there all day long for your

whole life. And those bacteria communicate with, like, your immune system and your brain, and they affect all sorts of different things within your body. Yeah. And how we measure those bacterias is, through poop samples. That's so interesting. So, is that why I like come like kombucha? For example contains four background and also, I large portion of my life is dealing with sourdough bread. That is what I do. If an apparently I didn't know that.

I was like, hey Caitlin I think it's so funny like I still think it's the funniest shit. Like just casually one time because you know how everybody during the pandemic was making sorrow. Well I liked our do before. It was cool. Just a minute. Eric was like I do how to make sourdough bread and I was like, cools the pandemic and then Eric just casually drop like, no, no, no. You need to understand.

I'm an expert, I've sprained. My Apprentice first time that me and Eric talked on Discord, like, talk on the phone or whatever, you you ran to the phone sourdough bread for like 20 minutes, three times. Here. I was just like a, huh? Tell me more. Oh, yeah, I wanna hear the top and I feel so bad. Well, afterwards. I was like, I just manse planed, the ever-loving fuck out of that. I mean, in retrospect, like I don't, I don't know.

I feel like man, swimming is like, if I knew you already knew that stuff, but I feel like you should still do hear it from me. Like, you know, I don't know how much any given person knows about sourdough bread. I don't know.

Also, for context, Katie and I are on the phone the other day and I was like, hey, Hey sometimes, you got to make sourdough bread and she was like, do you do you know how to make like what keep in mind Katie of known each other kids, and I have known each other for three months, but in ADHD, ADHD time that's like three years I didn't have time. That's like a bazillion years, right? So and I'm a dog. So that's like 59 years. Absolutely. But Katie was like, do you know

anything about sourdough bread? And I had to act actually ask the question, are you serious? Like I'm like I wasn't doing the intense. The at which that are you serious? Came like that was the funniest part because it wasn't like, a casual like are you see? It was like, are you serious? Like I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I didn't know swear to me. Are you serious post? Because?

Well, I would actually was asking because if you were being sarcastic, then I've been like, oh, ha ha and moved on. But if you were actually asking me, if I know how to make soda brother, then that means there is a massive swath of my life that, you know, nothing about, which is fine.

I just Miss the whole memo about hold my Mo say way Carly's here and I want to hear more about poop and depressed, I'll get back to it. I promise I wasn't trying to make it about me. I wish I had a whole analogy that was gonna go on and then I needed to there's a whole thing. Anyways, basically on what we call scovia symbiotic community of bacteria and yeasts and we are constantly monitoring the

health. Of that scobie's seen by a committee of bacteria and yeasts and monitoring Its Behavior and trying to make it behave in extremely predictable ways if you take a scoby, a like a starter which is essentially like a mixture of flour and water that serves as a hotel for a shit ton of bacteria and yeast. If you move that from Ryan, California to, you know, Georgia new bacteria and yeasts are going to be like, hey, what's

up? We want to be in here now and there's basically a war that happens within your sourdough. Carter your scobie and basically it has to rebalance itself. This is like it'll behave differently. It'll taste differently, little produce produce different acids. It will respond to different flowers differently. It's fascinating. And so, I was wearing is where's

the Pixar film of this? Where is the Pixar film of the little love, the little guys and they're like, oh no, like are the guys bringing us to Georgia and then they like go to war the bread War, but it's like a bully If you like us Moses Jones, remember I was Moses. Yeah. It as Moses Jones but it would be sourdough like a piece Cobi Jones. I don't know. But the rest of the entire movie in my head while you were talking so much, I always thought it was so cool.

How the pill like, floated on that like water jet. I thought that was the sickest thing. But anyways, so now the all right, now, the actual question or can cut all the I'm going to cut vast sections. Jesus Christ, You're not, we're gonna leave or not system.

Really minute just how, how fragile is the gut microbiome essentially can can a new bacteria, be introduced into your gut microbiome and like set up shop and like totally racket or change the power Dynamic. The whole political climate of your gut microbiome, or is it a generally like a stable thing? Like how stable is a person's gut microbiome? How susceptible is it to change based on the things that they eat or the Environment that they're in Loosely.

Like I don't, you know, I'm just curious. Is it a fragile thing? Or is it like an ocean liner kind of thing? Yeah, so the first of all, like, I haven't really looked at any of the new research in the past, like, two years. And I did my master's, like, 2 years ago. So I got, we'll never mind and like the study of the microbiome is, A fairly new. So a lot of the research studies are like contradicting each other and until we get like a lot of replication stuff, we

won't really know. But yes, some studies are saying that it's fairly like stable throughout your lifetime. That like there is what we call a critical period in your early life where it's like, really suspect susceptible to change which was a big part of my master's because we were looking at early life trauma and how that affects the the composition of the gut microbiome. But other people are saying that, yeah, that it can change. Change later in life and stuff

like that. So honestly, I'm not really sure at this point. And so does the gut microbiome change strictly by like external things coming in, like something you eat or can just an experience, change your gut microbe or likewise you just had trauma question and that's something that they're currently studying trying to figure out. Oh my God, I'm curious as fuck dog. I gotta I gotta get more shit samples in my life.

One of the questions like that we were Asking, you know, is it and we weren't looking at like cause and effect. We were just looking at correlational stuff, so we don't really know like what causes what, but one of the questions that arose from our studies like, okay? So is it that early life trauma is like causing depression and depression is changing the microbiome or is early life.

Trauma changing the microbiome, and the microbiome is causing depression, or like some sort of weird interaction like that. And we don't know, Cool. Oh man, I'm so fascinated by the implications of that. Like, like, I have like full-on hyper fixation ADHD brain, about the implications of that. Because that, that basically means that, that if they were able to like isolate it, you could hypothetically, like, fixed oppression by, like, putting in different gut, but

like, any guys. So I want to tell you about a really, really, really cool study. Do it do it right now. So there are Our and I okay, I'm tacos in a while so I might get details wrong, but there was a study that took looked at rats and there was like a rat with like rat version of depression. So like like symptoms, it's not like the same as human depression at all.

But you know, like symptoms where the rat is not acting Kurt like like a normal rat and kind of look sad and and like a normal rat and if they took the poop from the depressed rat and put it in the normal, Rat. The normal rat started showing signs of rat depression. What? Yeah, what. Yeah. So, and that and we can't extrapolate to humans because humans are very different from rats, but that hints that, maybe maybe gut bacteria can affect your mood.

Wait, there's a really fine fine, oh no, no Katie, no, please please please. No no, I'm just gonna make a discussing poop joke. Yeah I know that's why I want It goes, this could be. It was going to be very mature about this so it's fine. You go ahead friends. I wanna hear that poop joke. All right, hold it keep, keep that poop joke in the front of your brain. Smear it all over your face. Now I have to remember shit.

Oh I remember son some TV show like like a Cougar Town kind of TV show there a lot of like rich white ladies and who live in LA and whatnot the the term like fecal transfer was something that they would say like it was some like super they would go to Palm Beach and get a manicure R and a mud bath in a fecal transfer. So there's some validity to that. I see.

Well, there's perhaps some validity to that I've heard of and I only vaguely remember this, but I've heard of like people trying to use fecal transplants to treat obesity and stuff like that. I heard about that for for like Crohn's disease and Crohn's. Yeah, yeah. Like I had a groans in IBS or like super, super linked to like depression and mental. Of the general. Huh? Which is which is also like a hinge that like huh something's going on with the digestive

system in the brain? Well I also noticed like kombucha for example, fermented beverage, which contains a scoby a symbiotic community community of bacteria and yeasts. That like don't it's fascinating um symbiotic sco be why symbiotic and community of bacteria and yeasts. So a kombucha or any non-pasteurized.

Fermented beverage Which contains the scoby and they ideas like it. When you drink kombucha, you're introducing an extreme like by nature of the fact that the kombucha has successfully been made means that there is a very healthy symbiotic community of bacteria and yeasts in their

very healthy microbiome. And so by drinking that you're introducing a very stable, very healthy system into your gut and into your bowels and all in all the stuff which is why like I might as much SS am saying is is which is why it makes you feel better, and I've noticed like, you know, this is an ADHD podcast, but I also have very severe, depression, what up? And I've noticed that a lot of the times.

If I really like tune in to myself when I'm depressed, I have a bad feeling in my stomach and it's not like a, it's not like a abstract bad feeling in my stomach like fear. It's a literal nausea too literal bad feeling in my stomach, which is also like if I eat a bunch of junk food, I get depressed, You know, I like because I'm ashamed that I just ate a bunch of junk food but also because it's like in my stomach it's like what the fuck, what the hell?

What are you what are you? What was this? What are you doing here? Come on now. We have to do all this weird stuff to digest this stuff so well, yes, things like, like go with your got butterflies in your gut like Dropping feeling in your gut. Like, there's so much. I think that relate like mood and cognition, and, and, and mental well-being, to your gut already. And now, finally science is like, catching up with these idioms.

Wow. Well, so my mom future guest, on our podcast, my mom, I'm okay, I'm not kidding. Kitty, it's happening. It's gonna be amazing. Your mom's cool as hell. I'm holding up my mom. I have met both of your pain. I haven't even met you in person. We hung we hung out that's a store at what? Yeah, that's crazy. Um, so she she did this study were.

So my mom also has. Well, she has depression for, I get it from, and she did this study were basically, they inject enzymes from various Foods into you and see if there's any, it was Mental effects. See if, any of them triggered her already very well, documented, depression. And so, they were like, here's, you know, baby. Rice proteins are enzymes and stuff and she'd be like, melons nothing, you know, whatever. And then they got to Corn, they injected her with corn.

It was either proteins or enzyme protein or ends. I think was enzymes. But either way, they injected her with corn and she said like like the flip of a switch she immediately was like why the fuck am I even here? Like this is dumb, I want to go home like I'm very far, you know depression. Like I want to be in my bed, I'm so far away from my bed like you know, she couldn't bring her eyes up from the floor depression.

If you have depression, you know what it feels like But like immediately like she was fine and then all of a sudden she was injected with corn stuff and she just sank she melted and and like she had to remember what she was doing. Like she had to be like oh oh yeah that that one. And they were like oh and then they injected her with this other thing that is like the opposite of a counteracted whatever they just injected her with and again like the flip of a switch. It just went away.

She just went. Whoa that was weird. Holy shit. And so the corn and wheat proteins, both did that to her. And so now she never eats corn wheat and she said it changed her life. Like she could not, she can't believe that she went this long in her life without knowing that that those simple just the the eating of those things. The introduction of those things into her body, caused that to happen.

So anyway, that's just to speak that like I'm immensely fascinated by the fact that we just put so much in our bodies all the time and the amount of different. The, the level of complexity that these each Thing has is fascinating on itself, but then when you mix them all together over time, like I mean it's it's, you know, you don't need it, need me to tell you. It's fascinating, you studied it for a very long time and still are but here haircut.

What parekh our producer is telling us that we have to move out, okay? But what people are listening to people, people tuned in, to listen to me talk, not the very well educated women. So okay. Do you want to explain the the next part to our good friend Carly here? Yeah, sure. So we're in attempts to be less discursive and to to filter our ADHD Laden, whatever into some sort of organized structured

thing. We're doing an early section and then second section where we pick a topic about ADHD and just talk about our experiences with it and our thoughts on it and whatever the hell. As if we don't do that, then we're just going to end up talking about whatever we're going to end up doing whatever the living shit the entire time. So anyways, phase two, Marvel phase two. So what Carly? You know, I talked about this a bit yesterday but the ADHD topics day is looking back on

symptoms. I suppose would be a concise way of putting it, but just like what are some of the things that seemed like, just weird, like things that you didn't really notice at the time, but now that you have an understanding of your ADHD you can look back and go. Oh dude, that was He's totally my ADHD and I just didn't know at the time, whether it was in school or in or elsewhere.

Okay, so I thought of one, like, laughter, we talk about said I was like, oh, I have a perfect one to talk about. Okay. Do you guys remember in school that like blue sticky tack that they put posters up with? Yeah. Oh my God my whole brain just lit up like yes. Like I was like a really goody-two-shoes child when I was younger and I I never would ever think of stealing anything in my life ever buttock.

Up for that blu-tack. I like obsessively would like as we're walking along to the gym or something, I would like sneak my hand behind the posters and like, grab a bunch of it. And I had this ball of it like this big in my desk, and I would like take it out in class secretly and like play with it. Because I knew, if they know that I had this much, they would certainly take away and I was just want to point out for the

for the viewers at home. You just made a grapefruit-sized gesture with that big and like, yeah. With it during class. And I would get really, really upset. If like another student tried to take it from me or like, a teacher tried to take it from me. And now, I'm just, like, silly Carly, like you were, that was a fidget toys that you made yourself in class because like they wouldn't give you any. So you major you stole one slowly over time, you just amassing these. That's so funny.

That is not an inconsequential. Like they may have noticed in the budget that you had there. We spent like ten times as much on sticky tack. By the way it was what is what I remember being called, like there's a thief in the midst. He sent a bill in the mail or something now. So okay. So talking about symptoms talking about the reality of living with ADHD. Tell us just a little bit about you. Like how? Like what who are you where did you come from? What is your ADHD story?

Like how did how did all of this happen and come about? Yeah, so I wasn't diagnosed till I was 20. I late diagnosis film. Who love it? I totally just blanked Oops, it's okay. ADHD. Your story. Diagnosis are just leave. You are what you do. Small town is near Ottawa, Ontario. And yeah. Wasn't wasn't diagnosed in childhood at all. I found the way I found out was

that playing playing Magic? The Gathering late nights with my cheek, a like my I had a friend that was diagnosed and every time at like at night around the I'm of doing playing MTG his meds would be wearing off and he would start just, you know, being his like wacky self and I was very similar to him and my friends were like Carly, you act just like him. Like what are you sure that you don't have it too because you act exactly like him when he's not on his meds.

And I was like she's now what are you talking about? You know what? And then I didn't really think about it. Again until I got to University and suddenly like I always I always did really well in school. I was always just like a super nerd. I'm It's cool. I obviously I've been in University same now I can. Yep. So yeah. So I got good grades Without Really Trying in high school but then that train High School to University was like a slap in the face so hard. It's so hard.

Yeah, because suddenly like, you don't have like, teachers nagging you to get assignments turned in and like you and you don't have like laid out like, oh, each unit is like Like this. Like no. It's just, like, here's a bunch of information. Figure it out, goodbye. Yeah. So I was struggling in my first year. Like, I remember I got my first biology lab report back and I got like, a 60 on it and I called my mom crying, and I was like, I have to drop out.

I'm not supposed to be in University clearly, and yeah, so I was having a lot of trouble and then I remembered like my friends telling me like, oh, you seem like you have ADHD and I was like, okay, let's humor them and I went to the school to disability office and I was like what do I do? If I think I have ADHD And they gave me this like pre screening questionnaire, and I filled out the questionnaire and they looked at their like, oh yeah, that's definitely friend.

So they sent me to a psychologist and that's where I had the full, like psycho-educational assessment done. It was like a couple sessions of, like, three hours each. And I got to like play all sorts of cool games and do some surveys and stuff. I found it. Super fun. And then yeah came back that. Yep. That's what it is. What were those? So what were those sessions like you played with toys? Did you fill out stuff? Did you write stuff what? They like yeah. Oh, so cool.

So, and this was, this is before I switched into neuroscience and psychology to. So like this was just like, really cool for me, but yeah, like the first session was an interview, like she asked me a lot about my history and stuff like that, growing up. And then I think I filled out like a bunch of different self-report surveys and then she got into like the psycho-educational testing. So there was a bunch of different tests.

I remember one of them my favorite one, because I succeeded with flying colors and I brag about it to everybody. Um, was this one? Where there was like, a pattern on a piece of paper? And I had to recreate that pattern with these blocks that were like colored differently. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I got that like once a month test and I scored in the 98th percentile.

So I'm better than 98% of people at that test and I'd like to brag about that but I also know there's also a test where you had to like look at a picture and memorize the details about it and then the picture went away for a couple minutes and then it came back and you had to try and like spot what had changed and I scored in like I don't know, something really bad like the said percentile or something for that.

So like my memory is poop. Yeah, but yeah, there's those kind of tests there was one where they like said numbers and letters to you and you had to repeat them back. My golly gives me so much anxiety. Just thinking about having to do that and yeah, thank you - yeah, very similar. And it was from what I remember.

It wasn't, it was about Disparity between them, they were there were, I think there were like four categories of them like in just in the form that they gave me afterwards and it was about do are all your other ones like about the same. Like if you are as expected, given the other ones and how much it like, if what if one is loja by how much? And yeah, that seemed to be the metric by which mine was based, as well as like I would do like extremely well on the Little

Blackie test which I again. Like I think about all the time, I nailed it. Let's do more. I want to do it right now. Now I'm going to make one, oh my God, I'm gonna make one, I'm gonna I'm gonna, I'm gonna ask the, do you guys know the girl in Tick-Tock who makes the paper models? No, no. Oh my gosh, she's by far the most famous person who follows me well, drop you drop there, but she makes paper stuff.

It's awesome. I wish I knew where name so I could lawyer, but you're going to make a block test and make the block test. Oh yeah. But it was basically about like they were ones of mine that were like staggeringly low as well. And it's yeah, my psychologist explain. She's like, it's really common for people with ADHD or other like, neurodivergent people to have like, Peaks and valleys in their intelligence where they're really, really good at some things and then really bad at

other things. Oh my God. I love I love knowing that like I love having that information in my brain because I feel like I don't know if you experience this, but like the weird dichotomy of like being so successful in school. Like I have two masters degrees. So like I love school. I'm great at school. I'm amazing at school, but then it's like, I can't do the dishes idea, keep my life together, and it's so frustrating to be so. So, success successful, whatever that is.

And then also be like, quote-unquote, like such a failure and it's such a weird thing and like, I wish more people knew that I wish more. People knew that like there are Peaks and valleys, I was getting chills as he said that because like I can relate to that so hard like it's well and so so what I was gonna ask you is, do you think that you like part of the reason why you've decided that you want to like go into like dude, sorry to say psychology?

Say say, Nervous but yeah, six, yeah, okay. I like, I never remember what is the right word? I'm always like psychologist. Psych psych psych out but it's fine, it alone, but cyclist. But do you think like part of that is is because of your experience? And knowing that there's not like a typical experience like is that something that's drawn you to this line of work?

Yeah for sure. Definitely and now that I've started doing the tick tock thing it's like even just more Amplified I like I feel like yes this is where I belong like Like young people about all the crazy weird ways that we can exist that are all legitimate and valid like hell. Yeah, absolutely. And and so okay, so how did you come to tick tock? How did, how did you wind up being like an ADHD tick Tucker? Because I did like, by was I'm here by accident. I still don't know how this

happens. Yeah, so also, at by accident really like I it's such a, it's such a classic Millennial on Tick. Tock story of just like I downloaded it. Ironically Then I got addicted to it. I do it all the time, but I think I posted one of the first ones that I posted that was ADHD related was, it was just a joke when it was one that Miley Cyrus audio was was trending in the like rating blank, and I was reading my ADHD symptoms. Like, people that like that, no,

psycho interesting. Uh, I can talk about my Aid and hearing people like it. Cool. And then I made the God damn it. Dave post And that's the one that like went up real fast and started to gather attention and I was like, okay, alright, I can work with this. Well, it's your stuff is amazing and so, like, free free advertisement for you, if you're not following Carly ADHD, don't you absolute ADHD adults? You absolutely should because it's amazing and great. So, so listeners go to a bad.

I had another question that I got. So excited about your content that I It's yours is the kind of content that like I liked it so much that I like I hate it because I like I wish I could make content like, oh like you're so consistent. Your. So your you have like a style and you're like educated on the subject sits like it's awesome. I mean I don't I don't actually hate it. I love it very much but I really admire you for that. It's really incredible.

It was just way too compliments. I have a question for the group though. I have like a real question that because like I know, I don't know like because I like I've got To a certain point, right? Where it's like I'll go on my Tick Tock and I'll want to talk about, you know, like Peaks and valleys. Right. And I'll want to like, talk about that subject and I'll be like scrolling through my feet or whatever. And then I see that like five different ADHD, take stalkers

have already like done a video. Do you ever have that moment? Do you ever have that moment of like struggle where you're like, should I make a video? I feel like I'm kind of cop like popping like Carly now but like I want to say something about it and do you ever do you ever have that problem? Where she's like oh shit well Katie already made a video.

Now, I feel like I had a, like, a momentary, like absolute fear, like gut, fear, horrible reaction when I posted a video that was like, almost identical in content to one that you posted Katie at the same time to, I don't even remember the color of each other posted we both ADHD and non heterosexuality, right? I remember that. I remember that. I like I loved it.

It was I loved it. Like I had something like I Okay, I do remember that now because like I had this very real moment of like I feel like other people really like talking about this like I guess I like posting because it's like it's important to me and I want to like say us not there to myself and then I saw that you did it and I was like well at least now there's two of us. Like that was exactly like that was my reaction. Like I wasn't at all mad.

I was just like sweet. Like I felt like Vindicated in like having that moment of like oh well somebody else has had this experience like knows this knowledge has this experience and they like want to talk about it. So I was like jazz. Like ha ha. I was terrified because I was like, is she gonna be mad? I swear, I'll be home. Like I lie. I have that all the time, like, because I like I feel like the weird thing about ADHD is like, it's so there are parts of it

that are so personal, right? And so it's like, I feel like both of us, we could, we could absolutely go home tonight and do a really compelling video about our experiences as being like, academically successful. Right? But we would have to completely different experiences. Like we shared that same thread but it's two different things.

Yeah. And so it's like I just I keep going back and forth between this like, if I know that like somebody, like if Danny Donovan, if Danny Donovan has like, made a video about this already. Like, can I use this topic? Can I say something? And so, like, I don't know. I like, I constantly have like anxiety brain about being perceived as like, stealing other people's content.

I think there's value to it. Even if it's literally the exact same like content, like if it was on paper, looks very, very identical. Like having a different voice, tell it to people also matters because some people I think are going to be more receptive to someone who you know, likes D&D and kink and stuff like that talking about something. Whereas like some people want, you know, someone that looks you know more like a really professional like a look.

Well done up with like nice. Clothes, and like, a clean background. Like I saw this one. I can't, I can't remember now, but it's all like time. Lapses of like this really organized us with like, nice writing and everything. Just remember the name but some people like that and some people like a chaotic, blue haired person screaming at the different styles of delivery of content and I think that there's value to that style of delivery as well. Other than just the content.

That's such a good point. So like what, how would you, how would you define your your thing like how did you find your voice? Tick-Tock, I'm still finding it. I don't know. Damn, shame. I like I totally was like, this is such a shitbag question. I asked him, like, I don't even know, like I was in the backyard earlier like running around dressed like catch her on a belfie from outline and like and I don't know what I'm doing with my life. It's fine.

Fuck it, everything about Tick-Tock is like, you have the space to just like, fuck around for lack of a better hat. And it's, and it's like, you know, it's like one video flops. You've got an unlimited number that you can post to make up for it, you know, it's just It's have you found it really interesting to see like what, what is a hit and what is amiss? Yeah. Yeah. My my like analytical science brain like I have spreadsheets, I have Excel. Spreadsheets about my Tick Tock

account guys, that's amazing. I do. I'm doing like research on my content. What people like, what people don't like, what hashtags are working. What time of day is working and stuff like that? Like, it's just fascinating to me. Yeah, something that like, I didn't expect why didn't expect any of The Tick-Tock stuff to happen? But I didn't expect to be so interesting about Is just the, the volume of data involved.

I mean, just the sheer quantity of data involved in the way that any one person's experience on Tick-Tock is like, I've noticed, like, in videos if I speak, if I say something looking at the camera versus looking away and then looking at the camera, I know if it makes a difference, but I kind of feel like it makes a difference like looking at the numbers which is also sort of to say, like okay, to u.s., if somebody is Already like Danny Donovan. Does a video about something and

it does really well and she explained it really well. There's still vast swathes of people who aren't going to see that because of something, because the algorithm did a thing. Anything and so like at the end of the day, like by making a video yourself, even if you are even if you like maliciously, say, I'm going to copy this person's video. You're still reaching a larger portion of people. And I like, I think for all of us, I don't mean to speak for either of you, but I think.

Ultimately like I feel like we feel like we're helping people like we're showed we're being honest about our experiences such that other people kind of go, holy shit, me too. Like I can feel less bad about that or feel see nor feel not alone. And so that's like my counter to like if I want to make a video but it's already been done to death by a bunch of people. It's like, well some people still haven't seen it and perhaps if I do one, then those people will see it which is not to.

I don't mean to like venerate myself and be saintly or whatever. But that's sort of how I combat that that train of thought. Yeah, I also Look, you can now Stitch videos. So like you can just add something to what someone else is saying like that's awesome. Yeah, yeah. I get irrationally mad at people when they don't have like to wet or Stitch enable.

But he's a couple of content makers right now that like I would love, I would love to say a few things about some of their videos but they have the, they have that turned off. So like if I want to do that, I have to, like, screen recorded or something, which like always feels a little sketchy. Like they're not. Permission to do so. But I was just like, I don't like I like it like weirdly upset about it, like, which is so silly. It's like, they're right, it's their right and their total

prerogative. And I'm just like, how dare so dumb but I don't Carly. Do you have the problem of like forgetting that you're Tick-Tock is completely different than my Tick? Tock like do you, do you ever have that where you just like forget that there are so many Tic Tac accounts that other people don't know about? Cuz I just assume everybody has the same algorithm, is me. Yeah, yeah, that yeah, that's a big one too. Is like, yeah, I assume that everyone that's watching.

My videos has watched, like, all of your videos and all of your videos, both of you. Sorry, I forget that. We're not. It's audio to. But yes, both of your videos, my gestured to both of the screens, the Hollywood Squares screens is really good. It was like, little B, little B little bonus for the, you, the Pod tubers unfortunately. However, well do sir is telling That we need to move on. Oh, talk about time. Blindness is really good. Eric, that was subtle. It was over there. My piano.

Really good. It was really good. Okay. Okay. Do you want to introduce this cool? New, it's sad. But I do segment. Acute doing math. Yeah, no, I didn't like you were doing that. So I stopped it's Haiti and I really like each other everybody. Buddy. We're just we're just means to each other. Sometimes, we're just mean to each other for fun. We're fun. You know. Cry cry. Over here. Now, do you want to do? You want to do the, the idea that we talked about earlier?

The secret cool. New idea. Oh yeah. Sure, 22. Chantel. Do you want to play a show and tell her it's creepier when the voices disembodied. Like, yeah. Can't see you doing it. It's like it might be Eric. It might be a Ventriloquist dummy. I'm not that's exactly the first thing. Really those picture that is exactly what I was picturing. So I'm infected I was just like from Goosebumps that was totally picturing Slappy from Goosebumps during that song. How is that both?

We're both of our brains went but is glorious and clearly I look like a fucking ventriloquist dummy. Now, I have that in my head too. If people independently thought about you could like, draw the Why do you think I'm what do you think? I'm standing up right now. You're going to draw the lies. Eric we have to do the segment though buddy and also, okay, this won't come off, we'll have it on for day. So this is a new statement. I'm just gonna I'm you know what, I'm taking the

introduction away from you. That's what you get for the music. Okay. Welcome to our super professional podcast. We're so glad you came Carly. So So this is, this is a segment of this is new segment that we're trying, it's called ADHD show and tell. Because one of the cool things about being in a pandemic, is that we're not in the same room together. In fact, are you in Canada right now? See, Evan can real real quick. What's it like living in a good country?

I mean, kid has problems too, but right now we're definitely still doing better than the stab. You have you ever seen Justin Trudeau in real life? How does he smell? Does he smell good? Let's see. What does he smell? Like, what does he look like? What is his vibe? I've seen I've seen Stephen Harper in real life but that's less exciting. It's I like I have like a weird

Crush understand. You're like it's so stupid like it's like Daddy. Yeah I was just I was just like I call him prime minister boyfriend. I just really like Justin Trudeau. It's fine. I feel the same way about Jacinda from New Zealand. I was like 10 on. Oh yeah I've got good. It's like it's fine. I'm sure they all have their issues but there Better than what we got. It's fine. Okay. Um, so anyway, show-and-tell sorry, got discharged in thinking about how nice it would

be to be in Canada right now. Eric, you introduce it? Okay, fine. I gave it back to you because first off, if the prime minister of New Zealand, came up to me at any time of any day and just said, hey, come with me. I'm getting my minions. Yes, ma'am. Well, I would just be like, yes, can I please you baby? Like, I feel like like, yes. Frankly, if the prime minister, Any country came up to me and said, hey, come with me. There's a very strong likelihood that I would, but well leader of

our country. We got any kind of a bold statement. If if, if I saw Donald Trump, I would be like, hey, you come here now. Thank you. I have some shit to say to you, like I, we would not be, he would not be the one beckoning me. So this segment, everybody, third try. Here we go, man. So the second is ADHD Stones held. That's my that's my thing. Okay. It's Mike, my piano is too far away for it to be an effective bit, did you remember all that stuff?

I taught you the other night. I yes, cool. I'm quizzing you later. I'm quizzing a cool. Eric teaches Katie music, the introduce the segment. Oh yes. Okay, so the segment idiots you show and tell we're going to go in a circle which means nothing. But we're going to take turns and each one of us is going to ask the other person to show us their ADHD thing like an ADHD thing. I want a name examples but I don't want to take Examples away from anything that you might be

thinking. So, here it is. ADHD, show and tell Carly. Would you like to go first? What a name, a thing that you need to go fine. Yeah, I care for you. You you tell me first. So Carly gets the vibe and then we'll don't put Carly on the spot. It's not cool. Carly. I just I just wanted to see the look in your eyes when I was like you're on the spot now. Go go. Okay, sir. Okay. So wait, am I saying the thing first or Katie are you? Yeah, you say the thing and I'll go find it. All right.

All right. I want to see from the two of you. I want to see those strange thing from a hobby that you once had. Had but no longer really do both at note that I once have well no you could still tentatively do it but just a thing from a strange hobby will say okay. Okay. a hobby, I don't mean to qualify it by saying strange, who's to say, What the hell is that? Okay, so for the, for the listeners at home, Carly was way quicker on the draw with this.

I just want to point out. So, alright, so from what I can tell, you're holding a purple rubber Cube. Oh, it's a, it's a house. Okay? So it's a purple house with a rhinoceros bisected into it. So, it's a hippo, and then a smaller, hippo bisected. Perfect to smaller hippos by It. So it looks like the house from up with with hippos protruding from it, and it's about the size of a baseball. What is that?

What is delightful? This is gonna, this is gonna take some explaining because you're not Canadian. How could that makes sense to any natural, right? Look at expounds, I'm delightfully curious in this moment. So, I had. This is also like a Shameless self plug at the same time, so it's please plug all of your stuff. So, I had a friend 3D print this for me, because I'm in a band called House typos. Now, for you Americans house.

Hippo is this delightful 90s PSA that was made for children to like, teach them how to like be wary of what they're seeing on TV. It was like, Like this like documentary style, like shots of this tiny little hippo that lived in your house and ate like peanut butter crumbs. There's like the North American house, hippo blah, blah blah, blah, blah. Yeah, it's like this tiny hippo that lives in your house and like Hyde's and stuff anyway.

So I named my bam that me and my friend have a band called heh step. Oh, and we got this 3D printed so the hobby is my band. I guess it's not abandoned, we still have it so bad. But yeah. This thing what kind of what kind of music do you play? It's like folksy. See stuff together like harmonies and stuff. He plays the guitar, he writes

all the. So I'm really just a meat sack to make vocals for him and arranging and stuff like that, but not to take attention away from your band but I still have quite a few hippo related questions. So what did the tiny house? Hippo do? Was it a malicious house? Hippo. When they were like, beware the house hippo, or was it a friendly house at? What? What, what do you think differently?

I think that I need a steel like peanut butter creams and stuff, but like, I think they're not friendly. Not friendly to still peanut butter comes the bad thing. Okay, so how does how does the hippo relate to being wary of what you see, or being like wary of what you see on TV are aware of what you see on TV? Well, I mean they were trying to say that it's not real but I don't believe that I believe it is real and really their whole advertising campaign back.

Fired because I completely believe in the house. Hippo. Now I'm, I'm support this. I would support him for it. How you? Look it up! Look it up! Look up. Canadian house Depo after this podcast because I think I've written it down to different places. Let me ask you down in one place. All right, Katie. What do you got? Okay, if it's not a hippo related, this is gonna be a massive disappointment. I mean, I can change. So, this is from, when I used to

repair phonographs, what? That is a phonograph, it's a photograph, it's a full-sized phonograph. It's a full-size phonograph 3 here. This is got the, the cool thing and every it's very heavy. So I'm gonna put it down. So the thing is that I used to like I still do sometimes, but I like I really like repairing Aunt. Like, oh Old antiques, because old antiques make sense to me and my brain.

Because they're they're from before computers and so they're primarily mechanical and so like over there can't see it. But I've got like a projector, like, an old, Victorian projector from like the, I think, like the 1890s. And then I've got a well, this really cool. It's like a 1940s Telegraph trainer. Like, they would like to choose how you trained to learn how to use the Telegraph. And yeah, I just like to repair old antiques. It's a fun fact about me, so,

that's cool. How does a telegraph trainer work? How does it does it? I'll show you. Oh, boy. I'm tempted to guess, but I'm gonna be wrong and I don't want that shame right on my way in my life. Yeah. I have no gas. It's got training wheels on it. Okay, I'm back. Okay that already looks very different. Okay, a box. So the way I like this big box and what you do is you had like headphones like just and they're these are like the original headphones that came with it,

which is cool. And you don't see that very often and then you had tapes and they would have like so is like Morse code, you know? And so they do you put the tape on it and then the tape would play and it would do like the do do, do, do it. Like the dots. The dots and dashes and then you have a separate component piece that you plug into it. That's the, that's the Tapper. And so you can use it to train like listening, like receiving messages, or you could train to, like, learn how to send

messages. And so this one right now is set up to learn how to to receive soul of. The reason why I own this, this is a very stupid story is because I'm really into Escape rooms and Love escape rooms. And a lot of Escape rooms have Morse code in their escape rooms, and I'm very bad at Morse code. So, I found that antique store and then I repaired it. And now I'm training myself to learn Morse code, text me

better. So anyway, moving on from the absolute shit show that lives inside my head at all times. Well, I just want to say clearly the most efficient way to learn Morse code is to Step One find a broken over. 100 year old training device. No, no fix it. This is from WWII like so they use it, okay? To like, this is how they train soldiers. So it's not, it's not like a hundred years ago. It's also fun fact. Samuel Morse was actually pretty accomplished painter. Pretty good didn't know that.

Fun facts. Okay, so mine, mine my challenge. The world holds its breath. Is to find a book that you've started more than once, but you haven't finished. I mean, go with whatever you want to go with. There's just like antiques littering my kitchen. Now this is great. I'd read all the way upstairs. Oh, my gosh. It's okay. Eric is still finding his. Okay, so Carly, what's yours? What did you what did you bring for us today? Margaret Atwood Madam.

I read the first two in high school or at least the first one in high school and, and yeah and and and I liked them. But I've gotten this far. Far so page 78. And I've tried like three times to read this. Dang Buck. I just cannot do it. But I would. Is that, is that like a sequel to The handmaid's Tale? I genuinely don't know. Dmoz are different Series. So okay, okay, it's called oryx and crake. Okay, yeah, cool. And do you want. Do do watch handmaid's tale.

I feel like I'm the only one who doesn't know. I love him mates to OKC. I'll get ideas. Actually, I have a friend who was in Show what? Yeah, as like a background actor but like still super cool. That's still super cool. That's amazing. I can't watch it because every time I do, I just think of Mike Pence. Wait, that's different. That's what makes this different.

Okay. Katie just did the Mitch McConnell eating ready for it. I was so ready to Mitch McConnell, eating a raspberry, and then I was like, that's not a different person, it's fine, it's fine! Eric and I have a running joke or Mitch McConnell eats raspberries and it's, that's the whole joke. It's very, very down. It's either, he's very tiny. And therefore the raspberry seems very big. So he eats corn cob or the raspberry is giant.

I think the tiny Mitch McConnell Is funnier because then it's like whoa. Don't I do not have a house. Mitch McConnell be kind of. That is for sure. He can have none of my peanut butter. He lives in your crumbs. He can he can, he can do massive, litigious processes. He got a bill on my desk that I could pass in order to give him peanut butter scraps, but I'm not going to fucking passed the bill going to leave it on my desk forever. Sorry Eric, you know how you get

rid of a? Mitch McConnell. The tiny Mitch McConnell in your Clean it. Filibuster or voting their stuff. There's if there's no crumbs then then he can't, he can't survive. So you have knowing your house so much McConnell can live. There you also, you also vote in Kentucky, if you live in Kentucky vote, Kentucky also also that Eric what was yours? What was your book full of white-hot? Rage now. So the first one in this is kind of a joke but it's also true.

The Bible like I have a Bible because it's like you should read the Bible, like just one should Diversion is have that King James. Oh no. It's the new international version which is probably at least, get some poetry in your life with the King James it. So hum opinions on my gosh, about that has a bunch of writing on the inside of it and I found it on the street. And so I was like, oh, the universe provided me with a Bible, I'm taking it and one day, I'll read it.

S is Faulkner's light in August? I started it in high school and we did it for a class. It was amazing and I have like, but doing it in a non An academic setting is like, it's such dense writing will like, just full of insane symbolism like, oh, so like in a classroom setting, it's awesome because you can all discuss like what stuff means, but alone it's just like, there's no way I'm getting what is supposed to be gotten from this book? Like I'm not smart enough.

I am by far, not well educated enough to understand this book so that one and then another one is where is it? Wizard's? First Rule fucking it's a fantasy book that has been recommended to me a million times. That that is a thick thick Boy. Yes. First of like 12 Series. So I'm on chapter 4 and I keep forgetting. So I have to reread but I can only ever get to chapter 4 but it's pretty good so far. Yeah.

Wizard's First Rule. Cool, I'm hoping somebody listening to, this can can go like, dude, it's amazing. You gotta finish it and then that'll make me finish it. This book's also, I could have brought down like 50 bucks, like a percentile. How many books do you own that? You have not read or finished. It might be like close to 50/50 like 50% I bought and have never even opened. Well, so I'm going to say an answer that is unsavory but I'll

it makes sense. So I would say about 98% of the books that I own, I have not read, but I live in Oakland California and in Northern California, there is so much stuff on the street like for free Cut. Like if anything is even minutely useful people. Throw it out, they put it on the street and put the sign that says free on it. And so I also I move around a lot because I'm a cook for hire and so I kind of just Bounce

Around Apartments a lot. And so having a living, fuck ton of books on me is not like useful.

So if I usually, if I read it, read a book and I've liked it, I'll give it to somebody because I want them to read it and also like it's literally just heavy and I've already read it and so like I'll get rid of it. And so when I moved into this apartment, I found a crate full of just Boo books, including those that fantasy book, but just like a stag, some of them, I've heard of some of them, I haven't. Some of them are like, I don't know, but I was just like, well,

that's cool. That'd be fun to have and like look at and be like, oh, look at these completely random assortment of books from nonfiction to Fantasy to like, young adult, like that would be cool if I could like go up and just be like, pick one at random. Like the universe provided me with this book and now I'm going to read it which of course, I haven't done. But anyways, so that 98% of the books.

I own. I have not read I think that, like, 98% of the books that I have read, it was in high school earlier. I used to be like, a really Avid Reader, but I think that it's Netflix and Tick-Tock were thing. So, I had either like the satellite TV and the shows on there. We're not great or reading. And so, I read a lot, but, do you have you? Okay, so, I've had this same

thing. I've had this exact same experience of, like, I was a voracious reader, like I was like, known in, like I The newspaper like how much? I fucking red and then, like, at some point I just stopped, I just stopped and I had like a very real moment a couple of years ago like after grad school where I realized like it had been probably five years since I've read a book for fun and I was like I'm going to read a book for fun. Did I finish that book know but I started it and that's the

important thing. Did you have that moment? Did you have that moment of like Fuck. It's been a like, a year since I've read a fun book. Oh yeah, yeah, definitely. Especially like and once you yeah, once you're in University or college or whatever like use you have to read so much like for school that you're like, the last thing I want to do for fun is read a book. Yo, I want to just turn the TV on and let my brain melt out of my ears. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, it's like half

burnout. And then half like motivation you know, I don't know man, it's so hard. It's so Hard. As it makes me happy because I feel like not a lot of people talk about that experience of being like, I fucking love reading. I fucking hate reading where I got my high school graduation. I got the, you know, like how to do Awards, like most likely to do whatever I got, The Bookworm award. I was like, that's how my school Beauty was like.

I read a lot. Well, I always want just it to bring it back, HDI frankly, like, in this is something that like, I, I don't, I feel like I've never admitted to myself and certainly I've never admitted to other people. All, but why not say it on a podcast podcast? Yeah, I am. I frankly have a really hard time. Reading a really hard time reading. Like, I don't know. It was I've never been diagnosed with like a reading something or other, but my ADHD has always made a reading excruciating.

It's like shamefully excruciating because I'll be reading and the, it's like, the longer I go, unless I am come. So absorbed in what I'm reading. That my like other brains, you know, like my ADHD brains, there are going like, what's on what's going on over there? That was a sound outside. It smells weird in this room. Doesn't it?

Like unless it's so vividly amazing to me that all of those brains are like hyper focused and then in which case I'll read for way too long and lose track of time and miss work and stuff like that that that doesn't happen in a while. But the longer I read, it's I think, I mean, I use this analogy in our in our last podcast, but it might, my brain sort of feels like an balanced washing machine like on the spin

cycle. So if there's like a shoe on one side, the more that it spins, the more like the more, the more oscillates and goes for like and so as I'm reading my brain just starts getting hotter and hotter and it starts vibrating harder and harder. And I have to just go fuck God like shit and then I like good. So, if there's something that I have to read, it's I mean it's extremely difficult, will generally I'll be all I would read with somebody else.

I also reading aloud for me, really helps because it forces me to keep my place. Like I won't like scan and then go, oh, did I skip a line? But but like, but that was because Carly, you have sorrow. Sorry, Eric. Oh really. We'll just, I just want to say just in case anybody listening like has had that similar experience. That like it's it's one of the more infuriating things that my 80 like that. I want to say, I blame my ADHD for but like, there are vast

swathes of books that I have. Have owned at one point, or I've been tended to read, but you know, I'm 26 years old now. And every time, well, 98% of the time, I sit down with the intention to read it ends in like, shame and anger and it's so real. It's something awful.

And so like, yeah, so anyway, a lot of times, like, if like all the books that I've started by having finished his just like it's, I don't want to use the word like trauma lightly, but, you know, it's like, I associate it, with my failure, academically, and my You're intellectually and it's like something to get over or whatnot. So, anyways, just aren't just on reading an ADHD that that's a thing. Yeah. Well, I wasn't asked Carly like Carly, you are.

I think the first person that I've ever met, that's like academic, but like, science academic because I all I know is like, trash Shakespeare, nerds would like, that's different, right? Master of letters is master of letters. You're welcome j-jizzy. I know them all. Do you have advice for, you know, anybody She who is like in stem like you are who might be struggling with things like reading long-ass science reports. I assume those are thing. I don't know the science papers doing.

Do you have those four people do 7i science? I have teen science to do today. Oh no. How can I do a science? Good with ADHD. Okay so how to do a science good? No actually made A video about this, I know he's more like, what? Oh my God, thank you. But like, especially in science when you're reading. You don't really have to read it in order. Like you were talking, Eric, you were just talking about how,

like, oh, I jumped to lie. Oh, I have to go back in science, like, it's not really a big deal. If I jump to the middle of an article read that partment. Go. Oh, okay. That's really cool. Wait, what are they talking about now? And then I go back and then, and then read it. And like, that's actually probably the better way to do it is like, if you can skim your textbooks for relevant information and then give

yourself like let your brain. Give you the dopamine by, like, just finding something interesting. Like if you just scan a bunch of pages, find something that piques your interest, then you'll have that little bit more like power to actually read the boring Parts. Well, I love that. It does not work at all for Hamlet but I love it. Wait, what is the question? Wait, wait a second, what? He dies at the end. Fuck. And I also like, I love that.

I was watching her the podcast and like, like all your Academia in theater and stuff is super fascinating to me because I've done theater and I almost went to school for theater, but I grew up really poor and I really, really wanted to get a well-paying job. So I decided I'll go to school for Science and I'll keep doing theater like as a passion thing. Yeah. But like you're saying, like it doesn't work when you're reading scripts.

Like I can't just do the script and and because it doesn't work that way. Yeah, but yeah, I find like cult-like reads. Like the first read of a play is like one of the most stressful things for me ever, because reading aloud in front of people is like so much anxiety, because I'm like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna jump a word, I'm gonna, I'm gonna get confused. Oh, I'm supposed to understand what I'm saying, I'm so shy moat into this as I'm reading, but I don't even know what I'm reading.

I'm just like, spreading outwards and stressful. It is a big mood, especially when you're like, you have ADHD. So like, then you're also just like Because you're like, oh, it's I'm done talking now. Like I guess I'll stay here for 12 Pages once it nights. Yeah. And then you start like peeking ahead. Do you do the think ahead? Where you're like, how many more

lines until I get to talk again? Because it's a weird one you at, you didn't notice, but you had one, but you're going ahead to try and see like, oh, what's the next thing I'm going to say. And then everyone sitting there staring at you and you're like, what? What? And they're like, it's your lucky number of time. These are we on the number of times, this has happened to me in my life. I'm so glad that That I'm not the old like I feel deeply Vindicated in this moment.

Thank you for that gift. I wanted to take that and treasure it always because that is such a mood. I thought this was unique experience to me so this is awesome. It's such a real thing, great Century. Real thing it's just like them over like so and then you're frantically trying to like figure out what page everyone's huh? Yeah you're like oh sorry I got lost your like I wasn't lost.

I'm lying. I'm telling lies now to For my shameful self introduced Sokka. Um, well, hey, like our producers telling us that we have to move on, but what I do, how do you want to end this? This baby Eric, how do you, how do you want to say goodbye to our friend Carly? Well, I do have to say that Carly you still have to ask us both. Oh, right. Resurrected. Shall we have a game. I forgot you. If you got one, we all here and huh? Don't hurt me.

On that I didn't forget I was the responsible one in this. I got excited. We were having a theater, kid moment. Is that what that was? That was all right, looks like, Devastate me, sorry. I mean nearest object that is not where it should be like, whether it's like a clutter thing or like, I just put this down in a weird spot and then tell me like, where you found it? Oh my gosh. I don't even have to. I'm just going to move my computer. I'm not even going to move my

body. Here's the entire. This is what you can't see. Just all of this. Oh my gosh. Well, so well done. Katie, you didn't have to move your feet. Job. I didn't because it's to what the thin veneer of having my shit together. It's just subtle pan. Lightly off camera is just piles of bull, shit happens in their lives. Instead of always looks so nice and neat and look, pretty and stuff. And it's because I only use like right here and then, but like, what you can't see is like, I

don't have a desk. I like literally don't own a desk and very recently. I realized that, that's weird. I don't have a desk and so I use my kitchen Island. And so then and I was like, because the lights really good because I got like a lot of Windows right here, but the thing is is just like all the shit from all of my shit is just right here in a pile. All the to my I also hear. Do you want to are we just exposing yourselves. What? Ya?

See ya. I said last night on the Discord, I was talking to some people and Discord and we were talking about our desk like our work spaces. And so, I said, the next ADHD challenge video, I'm going to do is show me yours. Desk because it's like, terrifying. It's a terrifying to reveal that part of you because you're like, well, it's up so fast. Like I will I'll finally clean it and then within two days, it's a disaster. Yeah, this happened.

It's I don't know. And then like the one of the things that I find the most frustrating is like and maybe you have this because you're also a theater person but like I'm a theater person but I also like make like I call. Are you guys theater people? I'm sorry.

I I had to move really close to the camera that one hair flip but like the thing that I find so frustrating is like if I'm like making a costume I have to like get out all the fabric then I have to get out all the pins and then I have to get out the the whatever the fuck and then it's just like it's a completely new mess in the same area and then people are like well just put stuff away as you work and I'm like that's not it's not possible. I don't believe that it's a

possible thing. I don't know. I get so heated about people just pull yourself away. I'm like, thanks. I never thought. Never occurred to me. I put the stuff away. I forget that. I have it. Yeah. Like I want to keep everything out where I can see it and where I know I have it and I know where to get it, but that isn't plus. I also like to put stuff away, like, do a thing and then put it away. That's contingent on the fact that you were starting a task. And then completing the task,

and now you're done. And you put that Not the case with any see what they're like several like progress bars happening at all times. Like, I'm not going to do five percent of something and then have a better idea. And go I should build that and go. But first let me put away all these things that it's like no, I'm gonna leave them all out so I can switch from each one like really quickly but put up another. So does that affect? Does that affect you in?

Like you're like, when you were like working in like labs and stuff, like what was it like to work in like places where you have such like, strict protocols, but knowing that At like your brain is like maybe I could just leave it all here, like was that something that you had to like learn or like work, find a workaround for ya. So I feel like if I if I like okay so I'm very motivated by like the fear of social shame.

So when I know that I'm sharing a space with someone like my brain is automatically thinking like, oh my God, don't leave this. They're there. They're gonna get mad at you. They're gonna do this or there and do that. So I'm a lot better at like keeping spaces. Clean it.

Shared space. Yeah, but I am if it's just me or if it's like people that I'm comfortable with, like, my roommates and stuff like that, like, I'm bad at it again, because I know that they're not going to get mad at me, but like, the, my lab mates and stuff. I was like these people don't know me, I don't know them. I need to impress them. So I was always like, very hyper Vigilant about that kind of stuff.

And and having like really concrete instructions for protocols also help because then under literally just following the list. I don't have to like I don't have to use my brain. I just have to follow the instructions. Yeah, I think what are the Great frustrations, like of my life is like when I'm in a kitchen like it, like a not my kitchen, but like, when I'm at work in the kitchen, following procedures, and like being organized and being like, okay, I need to assemble the process for to

doing this. And then I need to assemble process to, you know, it's a shared space, like to break down, and make sure everything goes back where it needs to be in a very diligent about that at work. But as soon as I get home, all that is out the window because it's just my space. Like I can, you know, I don't care if it's a dirty or whatever. And so one of the Great Striations. And, like questions of my life is, how do I get that into my regular life? Like, how do I do that?

And I don't know about you, but I've experienced like a lot of like shame and questioning where it's like, okay, I can do this when I'm at the lab. Why can't I do it at home? Yes, be faking. I don't have ADHD because I can do it in this environment and not in this environment like faking. But that's not so true. It's so real. Yeah. And it's, yeah. And as and I don't have an answer. Like, that's the thing. That sucks is like, I do I have the same exact thing.

It's like, oh well, I'm working in someone else's shop. I have to keep it nice like, oh, you know, I'm working here and then you get home and you're like, why can't I put the thread away at Burke but I can. Yeah, like social social pressure is a big motivator novel environments, like I was just reading reason was the other day of like ADHD symptoms. One can fluctuate from day to day and too They are less in

novel environments. So like if you're going to a doctor to get tested for ADHD, your symptoms are going to be less because it's a new environment and your brain is like, who knew things? Dopamine norepinephrine. So yeah, if you're in a new environment, you might find that. It's a lot easier to do the things then then in your, like, normal everyday environment. Where everything is boring. Yeah.

Okay, I'm sorry. Oh, no, I just, it's, I think thinking about like low arousal Theory which Anybody live, I video on it, but anybody listening wasn't seen that video basically people with ADHD have lower levels of dopamine and norepinephrine are headed any given time.

And so we're constantly seeking the little bursts of dopamine that happened when we basically experience new stimulus and so we're constantly seeking new and novel things to get that dopamine burst to try to bring our dopamine back to its normal levels and that can be stimming. That can be like like erratic like paying attention to the thing that's happening outside. Just constantly like searching scanning.

For new information, I'm talking to somebody who's very educated in Neuroscience. So I hope I didn't flow of any that but but understanding that has helped me, understand so many different little things that like if not not knowing about low arousal Theory, seemed sort of disjointed but knowing that sort of puts them all in the same context. Like why is it that when I go to a novel situation? My ADHD systems symptoms are less like well because that new

stimulus is given its provided. It's par for the course you already are in a place. That is saturated with new and novel stimulus. Whereas when I'm in a place that I am frequently like this room, my ADHD symptoms are the worst day ever are because I'm familiar with every part, like, I have to constantly be creating that new stimulus and so, yeah, it's in school. Like every, every new year like September, you were like, yeah, I'm organized, I'm ready.

I'm going to attack this and like, but then throughout the year, like your organization and your unreasonable looks cool. Yeah, I think I just need the connection now out. As you were talking. I was like that's because every new school year is like that new novel environment, a new classroom, new classmates, new schedule are. Yeah. I can literally track that.

Like I save planners like, that's a thing that I've done for like a long time as I've saved my planners because like it's kind of fun to, like, go back and just be like, oh like what was I doing on Thursday? On, you know, may 2006 and being like, Oh, I was like studying for an exam or whatever, but like I can trace that it like I have proof of that because it's

like my first month of school. It's like beautiful boxes and like everything in like bullet journaling and like and then it's like, you get to like December and I'm just like history paper. Like like that's so funny that I like, it's so weird whenever I talk to another person with ADHD because I always feel like I must be the only person who has ever experienced this. And then it's like, no. It's all of us. It's just literally every single one of us. It's fine, it's wild.

It's so valuable. Today, I love it. I love that. I'm connecting with so many more ADHD people and we're all just like, yeah, me too. Yeah, me too. It's mm. It's really freeing. You know, like it's like you like, I don't know if you've had this experience but like I've genuinely had the experience of like not feeling as ashamed anymore. Like I've I'm learning to ask for help and I'm learning like, it's okay. That my house doesn't look like a magazine, but it works for me

and that's okay. And like that, that's something that I think is so, Valuable, that has come out of this experience, but it's also weird. Because at the same time, I feel like people are like the one look like looking at me. And being like, well, you clearly have your shit together and I'm like, no. No, I'm Lauren, I'm here. Learning, with all of you. Like, this is, I'm not, I'm just figuring my shit out as I go. Yeah.

Yeah. Like I think I feel like I haven't pushed an ADHD tip video in a while. So I'm sort of like, you know what? Actually I'm just going to show people like what this actually looks like. Like I am to also this way and it's okay. Like, I think I think that's equally valuable like, I mean, I'm grateful to weld the two of you frankly and all the people that I've interacted with because they've provided for me. That's a me.

Yeah, that same experience that. I'm hopefully providing to them, that we are hopefully providing for them. It's a big little bit little bit. So it's community and I love it and I'm stuttering that was really good end to the podcast though. Good job. Eric you nailed it? Hey Carly. Thank you so much for being here with Out a little bit over time. Shocking, nobody, because why we have ADHD you stink, but we are so appreciative of you joining us tell folks where they can find you.

What should they follow? What should they? What should hide yourself up? Give yourself an ad. Yeah. Oh my God. Thank you so much for having me. I had a blast. I wanna hang out with you. Tick-Tock ADH adult and also Instagram same name. The band that I mentioned earlier house. Hippo that's on Spotify. We want to listen to that. It's all in my link. Tick-Tock though, so just go to the tank tops. All right? You heard her 80th adult on Tick-Tock, Carly. Thank you much so much.

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