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It's easy for me to let the American presidential experience collection go. It's not the money I don't need the money but I can use that money for more scholarships and for doing more back in the little community that I grew up in. And it's time for somebody else to own these. I've had the privilege of Orlando and the pride of Arlington. I'll let somebody else have that feeling too. This. Is prize. That.
Robert Ross welcome to cars that matter today in our program we're joined over zoom by Jim Walsh. Jim Ellis North Carolina.
It's probably a little colder here than out there but thank you for having me on the show it's my pleasure to be on.
Today we're going to talk about some cars that matter for a very different reason. Sure the cars themselves are special but the cars we're going to talk about today matter because of the people who wrote in them. Jim is the owner of two automobiles that were used by the late President John F. Kennedy one on the very morning of his assassination. And it's not the car you think but they're really a part of a bigger story
and a part of a bigger picture. Jim Wallis is owner of the White House gift shop in Washington D.C. and also founder and owner of presidential experience dot com which is essentially a traveling exhibition that appears at presidential conventions. Maybe not this year but historically you've had an awful lot to do with all things presidential. Tell us about the mission of the American presidential experience.
Robert after 9/11 for two or three years most of the schools in the country quit come into Washington. And I saw where there was the chance to take the presidential memorabilia at that time and the stuff that I was assembling out to the Ozarks in southern Missouri. I went out and looked for a place and there was
an old Quonset hut out there. So I worked a deal to Bob the building and I'd already assembled the airplane some first ladies gowns and other things but I didn't have a car at that time when I was given on loan the Reagan limousine. The first one that he looked at to approve the other ones it came after a museum and Michigan loaned that to me. And so I had a 10000 square foot building about a year to renovate it actually was Elvis Presley's customs old
theater called back to the 50s. So I wanted to go out there because I knew those kids I grew up here in Appalachia. And it's very poor in these mountains. Those kids in those mountains were much like the kids. And when I grew up I say that we were so poor when I was a kid. When we got a rainbow it was black and white. So I went out there and we opened a museum and I purchased at the Philadelphia presidential fest for the 2000 Republican convention.
I helped them and I brought in an airplane an additional launch had been used for some movie sets and it was set up like Richard Nixon's.
I thought that I had some first ladies gowns made and we opened and we were the number one educational facility for homeschooling in the area for several years during that period. A lot of people kept asking us could you bring this to the state fair. Could you bring it to an area near us and travel with it. We'd got to the point that it looked like he was going to be more lucrative to do that and
keep the museum going. And they built a big Titanic exhibit next to me and that's it all the water with all the other museums and everyone wanted to see the Titanic.
Well it sounds like your endeavor was a whole lot more oriented toward education obviously a nonpartisan endeavor it doesn't matter which party line someone was walking this was about the presidency.
I knew those kids Robert would never if they didn't get to Washington during high school they probably would never come to Washington. I think everybody in America should at some point in their life come to the capital city and they would appreciate the government a little better I think. But this was a great chance and to be with those kids and we wouldn't have games where they would find things like Lincoln's Hat and other things and they would get gifts they got it all right. But we
decided to take it on the road. It was called the Presidential Museum out there we changed the name to the American presidential experience and it was nonpartisan. I bought another airplane and fixed it up the way that was when Ronald Reagan was president. So that's Reagan's Air Force One Reagan seven us to have an Air Force One. Well we ended up having two airplanes and then we switch the next an airplane to the Kennedy airplane. We
got both sides so to speak. We had Bill Clinton Oval Office at a time and you know another one Ronald Reagan Oval Office but we actually now have six oval offices. We have one in California and we have two in Washington and three or four down in Atlanta Georgia.
Well that's fascinating. Let's put a hold on the cars for a second I want to know more about these offices. How do you actually replicate these.
I tell you where I got the idea. Robert my store is across the White House. And when people tour the White House when they come over to our store right after they come out we asked how they like their tour. People were actually disappointed sometimes because they think they're going to go in the Oval Office or see their homes and they really only get to see three or four rooms and a waited in line and they've
waited for months to get a ticket. And so I always said if you could go see an Oval Office a tour one would you and to know. Yeah. And so I had this studio in California. No one for me. And I brought it in for Bush's inauguration and the old train station in Washington under the rotunda. I had a George Bush lookalike who sat behind it and talked to people and signed autographs and stuff like that. People
loved it just around the corner from the store. We have a political presidential Gallery and we have an Oval Office set up there and people come in and have their picture make sitting behind the desk. And we also have a press podium with the backdrop. And so there you have the picture made. They're all set. They get to the White House was like the Oval Office. They get to see a limousine a presidential limousine and they
get to see a presidential airplane. Those are the three main things when you think about the presidency is how do they travel. Where do they work. How they travel in the air and car so it really wrapped it all up for people when they do.
That is fascinating you're absolutely right. I mean a trip to Washington and seeing all the monuments the museums and just understanding how rich and complicated the history is. It's something that can't be equaled but hey if the mountain can't come to Mohammed sometimes the kids have to go to the mountain. And obviously that's what you're doing. You talk about presidential vehicles and those probably attract more attention among the public and certainly even car enthusiasts as any
other kind of vehicle you can imagine. They're special They're imbued with special ambiance. And of course none probably incorporates greater piece of history than the cars that JFK rode in. And the one that was of course the last car that he rode into which is now in the Henry Ford you happened to own two of those cars and they're coming up for sale at a bottoms auction this
October 14 at auction called the American presidential experience. Tell us about the auction and then let's talk about those cars.
About three years ago I had this project that I wanted to do.
It's called the workers Legacy Foundation project. We had just done the Oklahoma State fair two years in a row with the exhibition we'd been in Philadelphia for the Democratic convention and 16 and I'm getting older and it's a lot to put up the Oval Office and set up a fifteen thousand square foot show. I decided I could use that money for that project to do scholarships for kids and as much as I love the Kennedy items
and cars and very proud to own them. It's fine for somebody else to own them and then I can put the use of that money to that project that I really love and I need to get done.
And we'll talk about that later on in the program. That's a very compelling and very worthwhile endeavor. Can you tell us a little bit about the auction what the process could be like given the current pandemic scenario. This is going to be a live auction but it will happen online. Is that right.
Yes. On October the 14th at 1:00 Robert. This auction has been postponed twice. We were supposed to have this back in January and it was going to be in New York and the cars were going to be exhibited in the atrium at Trump Tower in New York and such would have been appropriate. We're going to put an Oval Office up and have the exhibit there and have the auction broadcast live online and could come and review everything and so then we postpone it again until July
and then we did not get any better. So we said let's play it off to October and we just made a decision recently that we got do it only online. In fact we have the two cars that cannot be cards sitting in New Jersey. The convertible the other one is up in Rhode Island at a storage antique storage place so we've got to bring the cars back together now. They tell me that online auctions are doing better than even sometimes lab auctions.
What got you started on this mission.
Jim I remember going to Mount Vernon my aunt and uncle took me up down.
Twelve years old just being in Mount Vernon I should say George Washington walked around here where I'm walking my gold Danza had to get back to Washington one day. That was my dream my gold and I finally did. But how I got into Kennedy was 1960 and the third grade. They brought a TV in to the auditorium and we got to watch the inauguration. I was fascinated by the pomp and circumstance and with John Kennedy and then like many of us in 1963 were in the
classroom on that Friday afternoon. And it just changes your life. I made a trip then in the eighth grade 1965 to Washington and I wanted to go see Kennedy is great. And I bought a little souvenir a little John Kennedy bus and I still have that bus today. I think I paid 50 cents right then that turned me on
I wanted to go to Washington and work. And so even as a young boy got involved in politics and leafleting cars and stuff I started collecting political buttons and then I went to Washington and I wanted to design some buttons to pay for a trip to the convention in New York for Carter and the convention in Detroit for Ronald Reagan. And I worked for a congressman so I took some vacation time. I drive all night to Detroit. I sell my buttons on the street and I make more money in a week.
And I did the year with my congressman. So I came back and I said I'm gonna have to quit. He was in a hot campaign race and talk about capitalism. And so I quit and I threw buttons in the car. I did it Reagan buttons and then Carter buttons went to New York and sold in New York and I traveled around the country I did a rally every day by myself. I had a great time. Got to see
the country. And then every four years I would do this and then I got to where I would get college kids from Labor Day until the election.
They would travel and sell buttons out position Southern California some out of Atlanta Columbus Ohio. And they wrote about it and I got college credit for their experience and how the speeches changed in the crowd so they really got a lot out of it and they sold a lot of buttons from many too. So it got started really from selling buttons and then I just a memorabilia store in the old train station in Washington. And 1980.
Bill Clinton used to come through on his way to fundraisers and he would buy every Truman button I had. He was a big Truman. The store is called political Marikana was its first political memorabilia store in the country and it became a big hit. So I opened one in Chicago. I opened one in Boston at Faneuil Hall Quincy Market open one in Baltimore and I had three in Washington at one time I had six political and
repave stores. And that is hard to keep off course when you have six stores you got three to do great and three that topped. And yeah I was constantly traveling so I decided to not do that stores in other cities anymore then opened the White House store across from the White House. It first was the Obama inauguration store.
Then we eventually turned it in and a few months after he became president in the White House gift store from that then we started looking about black and other items that we could take on the road with the experience. So I got to this auction in Boston in 2013 in October and they had two cars they have one which was in 1960 Lincoln an armored car makes specifically
as the presidential car. They had several when the motor pool this car never traveled they had a hard top and had a two way radio and it phone like in the back first. It only carried Kennedy around Washington. I won that bid and wasn't going to bid on the other. But the price looked pretty good. And I ended up bidding on that one and getting it also in attendance at the way am I gonna get the money to pay for these two cars. I just went crazy.
You know you do that well an auction I'll do that to you. And I'll bet you're glad you did.
Now I am I worked it out. Now I got the cars and got more items that will be in the auction on October 14th.
That's great. Here take a short break but we'll be right back.
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We're back with two more like Jim. Let me ask you first of all JFK is probably the most beloved president in what would be modern U.S. history.
I'm a postage stamp collector and you look at stamps issued by nations around the world and Europe Africa Asia South America. He's on stamps from almost every stamp printing nation in the world. He was really a heroic figure. That of course his assassination was a shock to the world. Most people when they think about Kennedy's automobiles they only think about the so-called death car the car that he
was shot in in Dallas. That car I guess went to the Smithsonian Institution after Johnson had it all cleaned up and now it's in the Henry Ford in Dearborn. But that car really bears no relation to the car that Jackie Kennedy and the governor were riding in the day he was shot. It's a different color it's got a different top honor. I mean it's completely redone.
You know they actually used that car through Jimmy Carter.
That's amazing. I'm kind of surprised any president would want to even write it. I mean it was almost a sacred artifact and just to use it as a livery vehicle not to mention whatever black cloud was sort of hanging over it. It's strangely continued to be used. And I guess just to put that in context all our listeners would recognize it as the exquisite Lincoln Continental design from early 1960s that has endured so well in an aesthetic sense. That was really an important American car.
Harry Truman switch the presidential cars remade by Lincoln. He got mad at General Motors because they wouldn't let many cars during the campaign. Interesting fact Teddy Roosevelt would not ride in a car. He rode in carriages and they had a car who would follow him with security behind the horse drawn carriage. Is that right. He thought it was not manly a man and a horse is what you get a ride on a president. That's that's fantastic.
Well unfortunately President Kennedy got in that Lincoln and never got out alive. But what most people don't realize is that there were some other cars that were associated with his tenure and one very closely associated that he had in fact written in that very day. That's the car you have for sale. So 1963 Lincoln Continental is a beautiful ivory car with a red interior and that's kind of the star of the auction which should tell us about that.
Well it's unusual for one time I've seen a president ride in a car that was not a presidential limousine. And that was Jimmy Carter when he announced in 1980. But they had two or three parades. They needed to do and they did not plan for a parade in Fort Worth. He was going to get into Fort Worth late on Thursday night November 21st. So the car was to pick him up at the airport at Carswell take him to the hotel and then back to the airport
quickly the next morning. And so the Secret Service asked Golightly auto business if they had a car. They were the Lincoln dealer in town right. Yes they said yes. And so they drilled in the fender amounts to put the flags on the car of the presidential flag an American flag. And so it took Jackie and the president up at the airport. I think about 11:00 p.m. that night that got into the ring there at eleven forty.
And they were exhausted. They got up the next morning and one of the other things that will be in the auction. Kennedy called Lady that a decorated the hotel room with great pieces of art. He called and thanked her. Boy what a touch of class. Ruth Carter Johnson was her name. It was the last time you would ever pick up a telephone as his last phone call. Also those two phones over in the hotel room will be in the auction so Kennedy comes down. It's raining that morning.
He's going to speak out in front of the hotel. Jim Wright introduces him. Kennedy is the only one was out of town. He speaks and then he goes back and changes as he's going to speak to the chamber there that morning in Fort Worth. This great video of the car was brought up to the entrance. So when he came out it would be right there and it had the top up. And while he was speaking the
sun came out. Secret Service said let's take the top down and that this is a normal Lincoln it's not a big presidential car and they take the top down. And then Kennedy Jackie and Governor Connally come out and all three of them get in the backseat with Jackie in the mantle.
And so they're all squeezed and you see this picture that is a great picture I had a chance to see it talk about Camelot. I mean it really was their white horse wasn't it it was a white Lincoln and it looked pretty special.
And there were great crowds along the way to the airport at Carswell and then when you look back and see the film when they get out of this white convertible and then they get to the fence. This is the first time Jackie had traveled with the president on the campaign. She had lost a child earlier in the spring.
And so she hadn't traveled and this was the first time some I said they looked so happy together because they both went to the fancy degree people and then you think well that's the last time you ever get out of an automobile. And so sometimes when I described the car to people it's hard to say. So the last car he rode he had because it's not that's
the assassination car. It's the car. He wrote it and successfully and got out and 12 minutes later they're in Dallas and within an hour of getting out of that car he had been assessed one of the things we did that the state says we would ask people can you remember. And we recorded them where you were on November 22nd 1963.
And everybody it came back as though it had happened 10 minutes ago and everybody wanted to tell their story. So we set up a whole table and we would do interviews with people just telling them about that day and what they thought about Kennedy and assassination.
I think back to I remember walking home from school coming home from elementary school and walked through the door and my mom must've been in tears. She was a fairly elegant lady and probably got a double for Jackie certainly represents a moment in time and also a moment in time when American cars were pretty presidential in their demeanor. I can't imagine a more appropriate one to put up on the auction block. That's a great piece of history
and a great car. You've got another one as well the one you alluded to earlier the big armored monster. That's a Lincoln Continental limousine from 1960. So it had a completely different look. They made them bigger than that one is 22 feet long.
It's an armored car one the first ones windshields all the glass. It is a heavy duty car.
They must've paid some money to have that thing built. If the government pays 900 bucks for a hammer I shudder to think what that thing caused back in 1960.
You know the cars now cost almost three million dollars so it was a better deal than the ones that get now.
I was talking with a fabricator recently who actually has done some work on presidential vehicles or part of his team have. And he says they may look like Cadillacs or whatever but there's nothing having to do with a Cadillac underneath that skin because they're essentially armored tanks.
It was said that in one of the Reagan's limousines that had an opening in the back the seat would fall down and it was a private security. They would go in that in the back of the car. I don't know if that's true or not. But after Clinton's limousine they should have put him in presidential laboratories but they don't do that anymore. They actually use them for the Secret Service to train them and they shoot the cars up and destroy them. They get all kinds of
intelligence equipment and they probably can fly. We don't know what they probably can.
These two cars Robert had been in storage for more than 10 years. Nobody had seen them. And so something like that only people to see it. That's why we're perfectly for me with presidential experience traveling show.
I guess there's other pieces of important JFK memorabilia that are coming up on the block too. You'd mentioned these two telephones which I've seen a picture of.
It's kind of amazing a little white house emblem in the theater and they're very special back when rotary phones are all we have.
I thought this from a man who was the telephone guy who installed the phones but after he just tipped them and thought well I'll just take him home with me. I guess I hopefully paid the telephone company but he had them for years and years before he really thought how viable they were. Since it's the last phone call Oh Peter we have a Kennedy shaving kit.
Also the Knox case which is a national stolen it got a razor and the brush and blades and everything in it. And we have one of Jackie's bathing suits that will be in the auction. Also it's framed beautifully. I wonder if it's still in style. She made that famous trip to Paris. The world loved her French loved her and she got accolades for that trip. She had a pair of beautiful shoes she wore on that trip. And they're seen in a lot of the press pieces.
So those shoes are going to be for sale also.
Well you really cover the gamut in terms of the president's personal life. That's pretty amazing. Obviously JFK is a key figure but as I alluded to before your mission really is kind of decidedly nonpartisan. I mean you have great interest in all of this presidential history and history of Washington.
I try to inspire and kids when they come to the show is the way I felt in 1965. And there are a lot of great kids out there who get it and who know their history and they love it. And you can quiz kids and they know more than that. There was a little boy that we brought in from Atlanta. He's 6 years old and he does. John Kennedy is the inaugural speech and uses the voice on young African-American kid but he uses a Boston accent six years that's not what your country can do for you.
Oh that is fantastic. It's so gratifying to think that this is still an inspiration for young people like. That's just fantastic. Well we're going to take a quick break but we will be right back.
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Welcome back. The cars the better. I shudder to ask how many other things are in your collections. You talked about campaign buttons before. Would you venture a guess at what that collection entail.
After I started making buttons I started designing campaign mature for campaigns. So I ended up doing 14 presidential candidates. There are buttons and bumper stickers and buttons and that was my business for 10 years before I opened the memorabilia store in Washington. John Glenn Gary Hart Jesse Jackson Fritz Hollings South Carolina.
So it doesn't matter which side of the aisle they're on you're going to give them some good quality work in the old days.
At the end of the campaign they still owe you money and they run out of money. And so what I would do is they give me back what you didn't distribute around the country and I'll give you credit on it. So I got some back that way but I think Gary Hart still owes me twelve thousand. John Glenn owes me ten but not their fault. They can't under the federal law. They've said they'd love to pay me personally but they can't.
That's a little detail I wouldn't know I to go into politics save them money.
I did the inauguration for Clinton and ninety two. I did all the inauguration items and set six or eight stores and did the posters.
There was a big big project we are 300 people to work these boats around the city during the inauguration with all the posters and buttons that I have from all these candidates and the ones I've collected I have around one point two million political campaign buttons.
Good heavens what kind of warehouse does that take to house.
It takes about a eight thousand square foot eight hundred crates and many of them in bags never been opened before still when the original plastic bags that came in I set up a foundation to give those away and I've been trying to give them away to schools and places in the last five years even to address libraries.
What's amazing is those are important historical markers if you will just kind of like the scurrying King Tut's tomb two thousand years later imagine what archeologists will think when they discover all those buttons. If you haven't been able to distribute it.
I was in the warehouse the other day and I found some Biden buttons I did.
Biden's campaign in 1988. And so I just don't have my Joe Biden campaign buttons that make direct campaigns or he wins means value will go up.
That is fantastic. We certainly keep politics out of our program. But I can't imagine a better way to broach the subject than getting a presidential expert on our show.
Jim whatever you're buying a car for a private party or maybe looking at a car at auction or whatnot. The first question people seem to have is maybe with a little bit of suspicion or why are you selling this car. Well what's the matter with it. What makes you want to get rid of such a nice car or whatever the line would be. That's an obvious question to you. But you alluded to a program and a purpose that was really it has some real meaning to you personally and to a lot of the people in
the south. Tell us about your foundation.
Robert I've been very fortunate because I grew up very very poor and every day has been extra. I've been so so fortunate when I was collecting all these things and I was putting on an exhibition at the local museum back in the little town that I grew up in and what towns at Joe Morgan to North Carolina Senator Sam Ervin was from Morgan when I was a kid I handed out Sam Ervin buttons and stickers and get in trouble putting stickers in people's mailboxes. People said
that's a federal property you can't do. When I was in the museum we saw a lot of pictures and things about the owners. The males were my people were male workers. My mother went to work in a house room male at the age of 16 worked at the same sewing machine for 33 years.
That's unheard of nobody stays at a job for 33 years. And of course today people don't start work or they're 16 but by the way she was old to start working at 16 because some of those kids looked like they were half that age.
You're absolutely right Robert child labor was a big issue up until the late 40s until after World War Two kids 6 and 8 years old worked in mills even around the town that I grew up in. It was shameful. And so mom got up every morning at five thirty. She got us dressed she has breakfast and then we would catch the bus she would catch her Rhonda worked with other mill workers. She raised three kids and did honorable work. I don't think I ever remember her missing
a day's work. She made eighty dollars a week and raised three kids over the years I've always went to pay tribute to my mother. She passed away seven years ago.
I had this idea about doing an exhibition of metalworkers and then it got bigger and so I set up a foundation and put some mining in it and we have scholarships now for first generation kids first family and their family has gone to a college at the local community college in mortgage and where I went to school full scholarships for 10 kids each year and we just had our first kids get scholarships this year we're doing a documentary on metalworkers that we're going to show in
the schools because kids don't get an appreciation. People who are mill workers have an inferiority. They think that they're just mill workers. The first woman I interviewed one of the things we do is StoryCorps type thing and so I brought in this elderly lady. She's 94 years old. Miss Madeline Newton we got ready to do the interview and she said Mr. Warnock she said I don't have
a story I'm just a mill worker. And I said you give me a little time then I found a story in you she talked for two hours and then she called back a week later and said Tell Mr. Warwick that I'll come back up there and talk some more. He wants me to. When she left there she was so proud. No one had ever made her feel that her work in a mill was great work. And she raised the family.
They got educations and a lot of them in their school teachers in their analysis of the mill workers built a good community. My idea was we need to honor these people and we'd better do it fast because they're passing on. So this foundation does to scholarships the documentary we've got a monument that will be going up on the history easily home grounds. We're gonna do it in October but with Kenwood we gotta wait till next year to that. Hourly workers can get there but in the
center of that monument will be my mother. Twelve feet high and then my uncle who worked in the furniture factory. I have 32 aunts and uncles. We didn't have time to think about the former because everybody was hiding you and kissing you and loving you So that's what got me through. I had a wonderful family and they were
only workers. The women worked in the textile industry. The men worked in furniture factories and then we had this wonderful still living African-American woman who represents the textile work. This monument would tell the story of the mills and the lives of the mill workers and it will honor and pay tribute to what an incredibly magnanimous and worthwhile endeavor.
It's called The Worker's Legacy Foundation.
It is and that's the reason it's easy for me to let the American president to experience collection go. It's not the money I don't need the money but I can use that money for more scholarships and for doing more back in a little community that I grew up in Afghanistan for somebody else to only stars. I've had the privilege of Orlando and the pride of Arlington. I'll let somebody else have that feeling too.
I think that's the way every car owner should look at their automobiles or whatever historical artifact they have. We're just the custodians of these things. But certainly your workers Legacy Foundation has a broader mission and one that will certainly endure. The South is interesting I think. People who don't come from the south or have had little experience there whether it's Mississippi or Alabama Georgia Florida or a place as far north as North Carolina don't really understand that.
There was so much industry and so much commerce done there that so greatly affected not just that region but the entire economic prosperity in America. Virtually everything that was fabric or woven carpet all the as you say the furniture all the woodworking that was all done there and under certainly less than ideal conditions you have a 6 year old kid go to work. I have to wonder if that didn't somehow really create a strong strong generation.
It's interesting you touch on that because when I started this project Robert I was going to put a lot of emphasis and expose the child labor and my exhibition was gonna be about child labor. When I started interviewing these workers I realized they enjoyed their work and they raised families and what low income they did get. I decided it was not my place to make them feel. I thought they would feel that they had been exploited working in the mills and they had a happy story
and I thought I must tell their story. We do have some in the exhibition we're going to do about child labor. It's not going to be the focus which I originally intended because I want them to be proud and to when they tell their story have some pride and they should.
Well Jim we're sure excited to see what happens at the upcoming bottoms auction. Of course this program will continue to be aired long after that the conversation on the subject is going to be just as evergreen because presidential cars and the presidential experience and all that will continue to be alive online. Yes. Yeah sure.
Well Jim I really do wish you the best of luck on this sale because it'll mean to us that many more scholarships. What a great thing you're doing. I want to thank Jim Wallis owner White House gift shop the presidential experience for joining us today and really taking a fascinating drive down Pennsylvania Avenue so to speak and talking about the presidency and some of the cars that played such an instrumental role in the history of that office. Jim thanks so much.
Thank you Erin. You're so kind and having you on the show and talking about the cars and the election and hope history and the worker's Legacy Project. Thank you very much. Come back next time as we continue to talk about the passions with drivers and the passions we drive.
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