I'm Brandon. And I'm Jesse, we're cannabis school. Having cannabis infuse conversations. With everyday people. Cannabis companies. Celebrities. And your mom? Welcome to the sesh. So you were telling me that? The. Gun laws have changed with cannabis, is that right? Supposedly that the Supreme Court ruled that it was unconstitutional for them to declare a like a a medical cannabis card holder or someone who consumes cannabis unable to
hold a firearm. Yeah, unable to operate a firearm knowingly, but it's OK for them to go over there, suck down like a 12 pack of Bud Light and go fuck everybody up. Well, yeah. Or, you know, an entire bottle of liquor. Because yeah, cannabis is way more dangerous and harmful and those people shouldn't be trusted with guns, OK. OK, Yeah. Well, you know what, it could be worse. It could be a business that you call STIRS.
Yeah. We, we cruised up to Salt Lake area and there's a company that changes the way you eat cereal and the way that they've changed it is by going out of expense business but not having a very good business model. I can imagine. Yeah, probably. Not because. Maybe it's just me, but most people eat cereal because it's cheap and fast. Nobody's thinking, hey, making cereal at home is really too difficult, can I go pay someone to do it for me?
The 30 seconds that it takes. Take out a bowl, pour the cereal in and pour in the milk is really too much of A. Hassle. I mean, it depends on your level of stone. My arms are broken. Yeah, but you have to get to their assert I. Mean an understanding that that is not a business that's going to make money I mean it doesn't make sense What is it I I don't go somewhere to eat cereal I mean it's just not what I I don't go do you know what I'd love right now?
Some some some fucking fruit loops and then. I mean, I used to eat cereal when I was young and you know, I just, it's not been my jam for a while. So but I know a lot of people still eat cereal, especially as I'm sure a good munchie snack, you know, can't go wrong. Late night munchies if you guys are up smoke. What's your go to munchie if you guys are puffing? Cereal. No, I I typically do like fruits or veggies because I know I used to be like I could eat like a
bunch of like dried mangoes. You know, it's interesting. I was so Meredith that we had on our episode. Yeah. From the face your shit, kill yourself. She's got a whole art thing on there. But we talked with her yesterday. She had endometriosis and Emily just got her tubes cut and smoke and cut out and they also removed endometriosis in there as well. And so they just were prescribing the doctors prescribing hormones and all these other medications and
stuff now. And Emily's like, I don't, I don't know if I want to take it. It has all these other side effects and stuff. And I was like, well, I mean, I'm sure there's lots of options out there. We just have to look and see. And if it works for you, great. You know, let's, let's see. So we talked to Meredith actually for a bit yesterday because she has a lot of experience in that, a lot of knowledge and just a lot of places that she could point us to.
So sat down and talked with her. But it was interesting. I totally forgot about her story about when she would had first smoked cannabis 'cause she had this really horrible reaction. Oh yeah. Deathly horrible that it was projectile from like their fence. Yeah, it was like getting food poisoning kind of stuff just from inhaling it. Yeah, I totally forgot about
that. And it just kind of made me laugh, 'cause I was like, holy shit, yeah, everyone has such drastically different experiences of cannabis. I'm very thankful that that is not mine. Oh, dude, I got real. Like, like, remember you told me like how you acted like, you know, just being silly and you're young. But for me, like when I had it, all of a sudden I got like really introspective and started writing poetry and shit. And that's what I I would do.
I did that for like a week. And then I'm like, I'm good and thought that booze would be a better way to go. But, you know, it was that one experience that I had later on. Yeah. And then after that, I'm just like, no, when I brought it back in, it was, it was cool because I was like so high. Every Saturday when I was mowing the lawn, Oh, dude, I was so hot. I didn't dare do it inside. I love the beginning of it because I used to feel like really, really good.
Yeah of my pain was gone. I was like floaty, happy walking around just and, and now it's like I don't have that. Now I have like less pain and I still feel like happy often depending on the strain. But then there's also just times that I feel like, OK, I feel almost completely normal, you know? Yeah, I know. I get that too. I mean, it's like the strain we're using today like that. It's, it's not super strong. It is a bit of a creeper. And plus I've been puffing on
other stuff too. We've also been using the Venti for it this morning, and I love the Venti. This is like the volcano to go. Yeah. So check out the link below. We'll have it. You can definitely check this out. This thing is fantastic. Dude, it's super. Cool the battery life on it. Flow, how to clean it? Everything this thing is, it's high end stores in pickle apps, just super high end quality products.
They really do and if you guys have any other ones that you love more than a Venti or stores in pickle, let us know. I'm very curious on that because so far we haven't found one that's better. Oh dude, I mean there's a lot of really good ones. I really like air vapes. I really like pears. I love this. I liked healthy ribs. I like X vapes I like. Air Vape. Like I liked a lot of those Venti like the stores in Bickel have just been just that next
level of quality. Like the other ones are great. Love them fantastic products. But this is just like the above that. It cleans easy. I mean, you know, the the Mighty is cool. Mighty is very cool. I love, I actually I like how I feel like you don't have to clean the mighty as often or it stays easier to pull through longer than Venti. But. No, it's just the airflow you. Got to clean it better because. Yeah, that's like it's direct. Yeah, that's pretty cool. I like that a lot.
Oh, for sure. No and Speaking of that dude I started seeing some random shit on Facebook man because I I still doom scroll every once in a while. It's usually like if I get too high and for me I still can get too high, but too high makes me absent minded. What's that? Well, you don't get that, but sometimes I did. What was that thing you said too? Too high. You have too high. What is this thing you speak? Sometimes I I don't want to be like that during the day.
Sometimes I just want to be chill. This one made me almost like sleepy and I'm like this and I'm scrolling on my phone and I saw this it. It kind of looked cool it kind. OF looked really fucking stupid. It's a bong made out of bamboo, but then it has like the stem and then you you just have like a bamboo stem, OK. And then there they have a spoon, a wooden spoon to put your ball into light front. And it was just, it's wood. Yeah, I wouldn't. Well, but I think about it.
I've had a wooden pipe before and it is very weird, very different to do, but. But a wooden ball? I, I wouldn't like it. I wouldn't like 'cause I feel like the water would soak into it even if you tried to rinse it out. You would just be stuck with way more of the flavor of yeah, I wouldn't. I agree with you. I think that sounds like a horrible, horrible idea. If you guys have used a wood bong, what do you think? Like is it a good decision?
Like it just seems like it would be a very porous substance that would just soak up way too much of whatever is in. Well, in it and doesn't matter how much ISO you run through it, that shit's still going to be. I mean, either, you know, it's like it's tested too, like, you know, using ZAP, like you always talk about using ZAP for the ball and like that works so good compared to just trying to. ISO and salt. Yeah, raw dog in it. I mean, I used to use ISO and salt all the time. I still do.
I was on the glass bone. I wasn't buying the 99%. I was just going there's a. Difference. And they had like 70%, but I didn't think about it. I was like, oh, I got rubbing alcohol and salt and it would it wouldn't clean it super good. But when I have the 99% like that stuff. Yeah, it just. Well, anything else through it, it's fantastic.
And that and that salt just acting as because it's a mineral and that's a an. Alcohol you can't use salt or ZAP in the George Jetson jet filtrations just because of the the room. You have to disassemble it is it is dishwasher safe. I don't know, I always just use 99% ISO on it so I can clean it with just ISO, you just can't use, I think it said don't use soap even Maybe I read the
instructions. So I've just followed it with ISO and that's it. But it's been a minute since we've read the instructions with it. But you know, I just once I do it, I just stick to it and then I don't question and I'm like, all right, I know that this is what I I do. No dude, I was just thinking about those photos we got from our last photo shoot. Dude that was just funny as hell.
I look so stoned. So I mean, we're going to put them up right now and you'll see them as they scroll across the screen because we had such a great time. We got together, had a a lovely photographer and she came over and she took some fantastic photos. Yeah. For the new website, which should be up so go check out cannabis school approved. See if there's dispensaries near you on there that have signed up. If they haven't when you go and go, why aren't you guys on Cannabis school approved?
Excited for all the new shit with that coming. But I I think the photos were fun. We had a lot of. Yeah, just a. Lot of fun. With that, well, we smoked some super boof. Oh yeah, that was Super Boof Day. That was a great strain to do focus with. I don't know if you guys have tried Super Booth yet, but if you haven't, I'm not going to lie, I think that might be my 2024 pick strain of the year.
I think that that hands down has been my favorite strain and experience for us. That was Super Booth from Dragonfly. However, I know even out here in Utah that I think there's been several other cultivars, probably two or three other cultivars that have grown super, super boof just here in Utah. So yeah. But 2024 for me is, is Black Amber. Black Amber was is still like one of my favorites.
It's just it's like the same thing with Super Boof because Super Boof gives like it's like another level above what Black Amber is. Yeah, but I also liked it quite a bit even. On the should be excited because next week I believe we are getting a lot more black amber. So yeah. Yeah, that's pretty awesome. That's so awesome. You know what I'm just trying to think of like, I mean, we just got done with the holidays. What's been your 2024 pick strain of the year?
Yeah. If you guys have had one that's just really stood out or just been like your favorite strain of 2024, let us know. Drop it in the comments below. Let us know, like what you've been smoking on, what really stuck with you and what you were like. Don't touch that. That was the worst strain of my life. Yeah, and for all of our friends out there where you're getting swarmed with drones and UFOs, how high are you when you're looking at them and what have
you learned? And why don't you pull out your camera and send us some videos and some photos? Oh that'd be so cool of. The drones, not your Dick or something, just. Just the drunk Brandon's OH. Jesse's hesitating. All right, so I have Dick pics and. Send Brandon wants the Dick pics. Just trying to take care of my friend here. He's just always like. Ask for the Dick packs. But no, no Jesse. 'S got a little boy on your little devil on his shoulder.
Yeah. Right. No, I, I was just thinking about that like, you know what, what new strains are, because I know that there somebody's always Frankensteining some shit out there. Always, always. I I mean, you know, maybe somebody I know there's a lot of you guys who are home growers. What's some of the coolest shit you guys have come up with before? What strains have you mixed together and? Like homegrown customers? Yeah. Homegrown customs like that
should, I mean. That might take a bit of work. I would be really impressed if people are doing their own cross breeding at home. I think fucking props to you. That would be. No, I'm sure there are. There's some amazing growers, but you know, it's not as many people would be cross breeding and and creating genetics at home. No, but I don't know. I think that I would love to see whoever audience, essentially, because that's a hell of an accomplishment for sure.
Well, that's like some of the strains that I was recently trying from Black Sheep and find here in Utah. They were just like, I don't know, it's just weird. Their names are weird. The strain names, yeah. OK, Larry Cake. Cake. Crashers. I kind of make sense though, because it came from Larry OG and like wedding cake, didn't it? So I can understand that one And cake crashers came from again like a a cake variant and oh gosh, I don't remember the the other variant that it was with.
Well they, I mean one of them was really nice and chill, the other one was a little sleepy. You know what I was disappointed to hear here in Utah that that law that they tried to, or the thing that they tried to push through of like, oh, we need to have our hand to be able to change strain names and stuff. Oh yeah. They've already done it. They've already impacted and changed strain names in the past year. So even like Evan Vickers in that Utah Cannabis Board has impacted and gone.
No, really, we can't have that name. So that stuff that they've already tried to talk about, they've already been doing. Why is our legislature so ass backward that they try and they do something and then they try and cover their tracks with something later? Yeah, that's just CYA. Yeah, it's the way it is. But wouldn't it be better to do it first instead of just trying to cover their tracks? Yeah, but at the same time I can see like I, I see that point, but I'm stoned right now, so I'm
thinking differently. Oh. So I'm just thinking, no, no, not like a politician, but it just being able to look at it from different, like, yeah, this sucks, they've done this, but what advancements have we seen in cannabis because of those laws? People have developed some amazing ways to be able to grow. I mean, if they would have just continued growing it like they did back there in the 70s, it'd be totally different today.
We wouldn't have. But they these are, like a lot of these guys were their own little pirates. Everything they did that they pushed changed that part of it. No, no. No, no, I'm just saying no. I'm not saying that it changed like it, but it did impact it for them to be able to think. We got to do this differently. We got to figure out ways to keep the smell down. We got to be able to make sure that it's a quality grow and all these because I mean, you knew the difference of having.
A swag. I don't honestly know that they changed anything as far as regulation goes, as far as quality goes or anything when they came in. Oh, not here in Utah. I'm just saying across the board, yeah. So I was just meaning here specifically, you know, because we've had a couple of those things that they've tried to change and and put in recently, even with our ballot, the thing that they removed and it was like, Oh no, they the Supreme Court ruled that that was
unconstitutional. So don't vote on that. But yet it still showed up in our ballots. You know, it's it's stuff that they do, but it was like covering their tracks on stuff they'd already done. And it was like, yeah, well, that was deemed unconstitutional because the thing you did was unconstitutional. So that's not valid. But you know, they're trying to
cover their tracks anyway. So it's it's kind of just that disappointing side of it to go, you know, seeing the same thing with the Utah cannabis board going, oh, so you guys are just the same as all the politicians here. You guys are, are doing the same things. You know, you treat it the exact same way. Oh, here's our medical thing that we're going to treat like it's a drug. Well, and it's easy for that.
I mean, just going from their standpoint and looking at the data when you have a lot of people which they, they don't consider the legacy market. That's why they don't think if it's a big deal. But it is a big deal when the majority of people in the state that you have a program for don't buy the products here because either one, they can't afford it or two, the medical cards are too fucking expensive.
Wonder if we're being honest, like what percentage of your friends that are cannabis consumers do you know that are really going and buying all of their products from the pharmacies? I know what shit. I know one person that buys most of their products from the pharmacy. Everyone else buys at least probably half of their stuff from either out of state or
legacy. And so it's just surprising to me that they haven't really figured out a better way to navigate actually bringing more of that clientele here. Because we have the products and we even talked about it before. Inside it was like, you know, you're reading something 'cause people were bitching. About the prices. Yeah, pricing of flour and like, oh, dragonfly's too expensive or something. And we went and I bought an eighth of zero flour, which is dragonfly grown and it was $35
for the 8th. Now I've paid and we talked about this. I paid 50 to $55 an eighth in California, in a certain section of California because that's what you can get there. Same with in Colorado. I've paid that exact same price for an eighth of flour even in Denver, but it was higher quality. So I look at it and I'm like paying $55 for an eighth of flour is it's not Denver in really dirt cheap pricing. It's not organ pricing, but it is pretty a lot of like a lot
more normalized pricing. Well, and, and that's where I mean it, it's going to be an argument of the THC is too low, man. Like that's the reason why you're paying for a higher percentage THC in this state is because of that reason, because they can bring up because it shows a premium, you're going to feel more. Well, that's what our our clientele is been taught to buy is well, I smoke these higher THC percentages.
So you should get that because that's what the best experience is. Yeah, but that just dulls the senses, man. When we put it in the top top dollar budget, basically it's moving this product to the top shelf. Well, you want top shelf product, Well, the top shelf product equals what we'll buy, what we're selling in the market and branding and labeling and showing everything. It's high THC.
So even if we have people coming to us going well, our purpose really isn't and our focus really isn't high THC. It's all these other things. Well, then why is your store telling a different story? Because really that's what you're trying to push and you're talking about educating and stuff. I've not seen anyone do it.
I've not seen them actually, you know, even try and do partnerships to do education because I understand there's a lot of times that they're like, oh, we can't, we can't dedicate or allocate that much time. I understand. What partnerships have you built to help do that? Education. Or technologies, what technologies you brought in what, what kind of resources? And that's it's hard to talk about there.
Well, but you know, again, I mean, on the other side, devil's advocate, I'm looking at it going well. Would I even trust them to try and educate me? Because most of them are business people. Most of them are business people to get into the cannabis world. Not all of them are great growth. Partner with other people who have that.
Oh, I know there's always an opportunity or an option to do, but we've got it's again, it's in not a very collaborative industry, at least not here if you where. I don't know. Is it where you guys are?
Because it feels like it's very, very us and them, you know, our products, their products, not the cannabis based products, not cannabis products, not cannabis as a whole, but it's always just our products and their products, like a generalization of everyone else's products and our products, you know, So it's, there's never, I feel like raising the bar is a standard. Never like that. It's always just us and them.
And maybe that's what it is where you guys are too, which kind of sucks because I feel like there's so much room in the space if we just don't fuck it up. Got to have those things, you got to have the fuck ups. Well, 'cause it always is, hey? Go perfect. How many percent? What is realistically the percentage of businesses that succeed and stay in past year 2? Pretty low. I think it was like 98% of businesses fail in their first two years.
So even looking at that, what is the percentage of cannabis businesses that are successful and stay past their first two years? Lastly, I think California still has some of those, you know where you've got and, and all over too. I mean like the cookies brand. They're they've been. Around, they're all over. Yeah, they've been around for quite a while. But that's the thing too. It's like these brands don't stay for very long because a lot of green shit, right?
Like Mad Men, Mad Men was all. I mean, what a fucking awesome name too. I thought it was great. Did you go into one of their stores? No, I've I've seen videos of their stores. They look very posh. I. Actually really liked it. Was it expensive? No, I actually that was the cheapest priced flower I found in the entire LA area that I was in. Then I also found a the dosest pen that vibrates and stops when it hits the dose. Oh yeah, that was.
Cool. And I was like, that's a fantastic, brilliant method And, and I loved it. Like going in, I was able to, I felt like shopping because I was able to. They let me hold the products and walked around the store like I was at any other store like Target, Walmart. So then I was walking around with the stuff I wanted, thought I was going to buy. It looked like Apple store because it had all walnut, beautiful displays of every product that I wanted to see out
there. And then glass displays on the wall was like that I could get stuff out of as well. So it was a very it was nice, it was clean, it was a great experience. Aren't they? I don't know I they might be. But why was it too long when you were out there? Right was. That no. Well, it's been four or five years, so it was fine. Flies. Yeah. It was a fantastic white in my
experience. Oh, it's insane to think about like my hair was so much longer than like I just, Emily and I had just been dating a maybe a year, handful of months, I don't know. But it was a very like I was really impressed. I think I got an entire ounce of flour for like 120 and it wasn't actually horrible flour. And that's I was surprised with that because it was California.
And at the time, like I had also paid $55 for an 86 or eight months before that when I went out to Yosemite with Casey and Merritt. Dude these look great. These to be everywhere, right? They were all a lot more places, yeah. So it's an LA, definitely. I love the branding. Yeah, it was fantastic. I was really impressed with it. But I know they had a there's been a several, several large Ms. OS that have had big massive
lawsuits. Well. I swear there was another one that closed like a really large MSO that either closed or there was a celebrity backed one. I think that was it. Jay ZI think it was Jay ZI think that there was Jay-Z backed one and he lost hundreds of millions. His initial investment of like 400 or 500 million. Basically, he lost, and his company's basically lost so much value. And I was like, OK, but was Jay-Z part of the Diddy parties? Yeah, yeah. Because if so, then fuck him.
Like, I hope so. I hope his tank company tanks and he loses it all. But if not, then yeah, then that sucks. But. Dude, I'm looking at their flower on here. It's crazy prices man. They're good prices. Yeah, I was impressed because I, I had not been in LA before, at least to buy flower and I was out there and so I was like, OK, where do I go? And I was looking through pricing. I didn't even remember where I found it 'cause it took me forever to find a good
dispensary there. There were so many just like really shitty looking hole in the wall ones. Look like I might get stabbed walking in there and stuff. And I'm like, all right, cool. I don't have hobos to have insurance, so I'm gonna go somewhere else. And somehow I landed up on medmen and I was really pleased
with that. So I it's been a minute since I've had a disappointing dispensary experience as far as like out of Utah. Sure, Leaf was my last Utah disappointing one, but you have had actually several good ones. Really good ones. Which is fantastic. I think that's, you know, like you said, it's, it's not necessarily the name on the box that you're going to, it's the person behind the counter and the product that you walk away with. But I do sometimes.
I mean, I'm also one to not give my money to a business sometimes because I really don't like who they are as a company that I would rather take my business to any of their competitors just just for that. But I I don't have any brands that I am so against because of I don't know enough about their like who they are as a company to go.
Yeah, I wouldn't do that. You know, to me it's more about the quality, what goes into it, what the experience is for, for everyone at home, for me, for you, for everyone listening, you know. And so that's more of an impact to me than like, yeah, sometimes the manager or the C level people of that company might honestly be a bunch of fucktards. They might be, they maybe don't even use cannabis or have ever even touched it and they might
be just money grabbers. But the person across the counter from you who is helping you and giving you that experience and the product that came from a whole nother company or grower or someone who put love and care and not into it like that might be very different. So, you know, I I don't necessarily hold like, yeah, I would never use their products because of that.
It's just, I definitely love and support more of the ones who are in cannabis because they, you know, because they understand it, they use it, they versus those who just, I mean, we've had so many talks with people like that and it's like, oh, they don't even, they don't use the products. They have no idea anything about it. Yeah. And that's the bar, the part that I I can't stand on. It was just what Brandon talked about, which is the customer experience is such an important
thing. And if you don't gives that great experience over there, that's a big reason why people won't return to it and to your Dismo. But I mean that that should be common knowledge. And you know, there's a lot of places that do really, really well with that. There's others that you're just like, holy shit, like this sucked. Yeah, you're kind of a douche bag. And I get it. This isn't the job for you. Yeah, to them it's just a job, but at the same time, I mean.
That's kind of like you're the people you meet at Walgreens. Not everybody over there is excited to give you their meds. Yeah, but it's. Just a job it's. Yeah, and there's those people in every industry, whether it's one that you feel there should be passion or not, there's always going to be. But it's hard, and I understand that it's hard to be passionate about life sometimes because life can just make you feel like shit. And so it can be really hard to be passionate about that
sometimes. So I totally can understand, you know, but it just sucks to see, I guess. It sucks when you're incredibly passionate about it and you see that it's in a spot where so many people have like a make or break experience potentially. And the person on the other side is there because there's a paycheck. And half the time it's like they're like, you can see that and they're not. Like if it's not the experience, there's not that real helping. Here's what you truly need.
It's like, all right, it's going into Walmart and the person you know is just standing business transaction. Their greeter even is just like frowning, standing there staring at everyone if they have. Greeters anymore. Yeah, they do it, Tom. Probably the ones where people are happy. Hey, nerd, just text. We're right over by him. Hell yeah. I'm going to head over there. Yeah, let's go over there and we'll finish up this. Yeah. And he just left out, Yeah, we even have to move yet.
Well, kids, we're. Gonna hit the rock. Got some got some thoughts there for you Give us some feedback. We've asked you a lot, but we're just kind of thinking about like, you know, there's so many different things out there that we need to be exploring and talking about that you could help out a lot. So this kind of been like a like a nympho dump and a lot of things that we've been thinking about lately and, and not thinking because that shit hit me pretty good like halfway through.
So I kind of started spacing a little bit and I was like, whoa, what the fuck? Dude, honestly, I'm excited for 2025. This is going to be a whole new cannabis school. Still the same old, same old, but a whole new. Yeah, it's. Going to be able to bring you guys a lot more so. TuneIn next week go check out the website and we love you guys. Take care.