I'm Brandon. And I'm Jesse we're. Cannabis school having cannabis infused conversations with everyday. People. Cannabis companies. Celebrities. And your mom? Welcome to the Sash. Hey, welcome to the Sash. You know, we got, I think lately we've been getting more comments, more just responses and stuff and like real engagement and we love you guys. We truly appreciate that. You know, every day when we record, when we show up, it's for you guys.
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It made me laugh because I was remembering, you know, that our show has kind of grown through our comments and change because like we started with, we had background music throughout our entire show. Tripping everybody out. Because we're like, Oh my God, I was just really chill vibes. Like it's just like a chill hangout sesh. And then just so many of the comments were like, am I am I high? Is is there?
You think about it, dude, like if you went and hung out with this one guy and he's always smoking weed and you're like, yeah, but he only has one song playing the entire. Time. God, it would be so. Bad. That's going to be fucking weird. Yeah. And so it was just like, oh, man, we didn't realize that at first because it was this, oh, this sounds cool. We like it. It's a it's a vibe. And some people are like, oh, that's chill. And other people are like, I can't understand what you're
saying. And our mic audio wasn't the best. And you know a. Lot's changed, a lot has changed, but it's been good. And, and Speaking of, I, I'm excited about today's conversation because you know, brand, we, we do, we do research, we think about things that, you know, possibly would incite some type of thought provocating, you know, conversations possibly amongst you guys. So Brandon had this idea and I was like, man, you, you need to introduce it, man. So we're going to talk today.
It's called TikTok therapy, or I guess you could say social media therapy, but I would guess more leaning TikTok therapy and how how it's gone. Like is it more helpful or is it more misguided? Because we've seen a really large emerging trend of like mental health and mental mental Wellness. Like everyone's speaking on all
of these things. And like there's a broad emergence of that versus, well, I mean go back how many years and it was probably only expert panels or you know, specific experts in that field that would talk at conferences or. Or perceived experts. You know. If you could, if you could be intelligent in your speech, persuasive with your language and charismatic with your actions, people would would gravitate towards you. That's why Tony Robbins and stuff, but not even life
coaches. And I want to get into those too, because you know, I, I, I'm and, and before we get in there, like what, what is your opinion on that like overall right now before we get started? Life coaches. No on on TikTok therapy the concept. I think that that's in a world that we live in where I feel there's so much disconnect and like from humans and there is a lot of need for like real therapy, finding people to talk
to, stuff like that. I think there is great benefit, but I think there's a lot of misdirection, a lot of misguidance, a lot of, hey, well, your algorithm just pushes this because you watch this. So yes, is there insight? It's it's like chat, you know, can you gain tools or insights or use it as a tool? 100% Could it be a piece of shit and spit out garbage in that all day long?
Absolutely. 100% so it's, you know, for someone where maybe they've never considered therapy or maybe they've never even thought about some of these issues, maybe it sparks a curiosity or conversation in their head or with a friend or a loved one or even that interest of, hey, maybe I should talk to someone or maybe I do need to get help. Or like, I think there's so much value in that. And maybe there, there are, of course there are, there's always
the good and the bad. So that there's going to be a few people out there who are brilliant people who are great therapists, who have amazing insights and maybe they take some of their time and they put it on Tiktok. Is that going to be every single person? Is that going to be every single video?
I would be really highly doubtful because even in the stuff that it was looking at, it said, the one that kind of threw me out, it said a study of 500 Tiktok mental health videos found that 83.7% of those were misleading and only 9% of the videos were from qualified medical or professionals in that field or area of expertise. Now, I mean, would I be a qualified professional in a cannabis field? I, I don't consider myself that. I don't know if any real person
in that field would either. So in that form where we put out cannabis content, would we be considered in that same classification or like what you know, so I'm there is a form of infotainment that can be valuable? Which is what this is. Yeah. And that that might even lead within the therapy or mental health realms, you know, that there is a form of infotainment that is valuable, but it's the how much of our stuff do we
check? You know, how much, how much of the videos or things that we watch or hear or the data we learn? Do we do we check? Do we try and go even at all go? Is this credible? Is this a source? Is there is there another source? Is there? You know, what's the what's the second click down on Google? What's the third click down? What's the fourth click down? What what is second page row 3 give you?
Like how much do we go into it on our curiosity is versus just like, well, I heard this in the statistic and then we perpetuate that or share it and, you know, then it's, it's this whole thing of TikTok mental health, you know, and what is the algorithm showing you? Because what was the last thing that you saw? Yeah, I agree. I agree. What is your perspective on? I appreciate you sharing that because I you know, I feel that very much this very, very similar to what you had just
stated. On top of that, what I see it being useful for is hacks tips. Those are good. Those are great. When going into self diagnosis, that can be a big issue for me. Anything like one of the things that pops up in my mind that makes me very hesitant on anybody seek it. It should be the first point of contact, but unfortunately, there's multiple contact points. And it's really hard, especially for a mind that is in pain, a mind that is confused. You are having difficulties with
identity. That's going to be something that needs to go in difficult. Now, am I saying that all therapists are created equal? Hell, no. Not all doctors are created equal. Not all doctors are hacks. Not all doctors feel like they work for big Pharma. Like the last one I saw where I'm like, hey, take my blood instead of the blood pressure medication because I know this because I've learned this from other doctors. And he goes, no, we're going to
give you these meds. And I'm like, yeah, but when you see things, that's really easy to be manipulated over there or to get advice that is completely wrong. I would say above mental health is just health in general. Dietary stuff. Like people are like, oh, you could live off of nothing but potatoes. Yeah, that guy's system could live off of nothing but potatoes. Not just mental health, but there's like, but there's a. Correlation. Health or specialist that is not an actual specialist.
Now that we've got TikTok, the TikTok mental health or Tik. T.O.K well, I I guarantee this we're like coffee enemas started like people are like addicted to coffee enemas like they like to. There's nothing like a coffee enema like what roast are you using 'cause I this is like you know what's up my ass, but I could totally taste it in my mouth.
I'd only heard that from my uncle who's like when my wife had cancer and it was too, you'd use a coffee enema to help remove the toxins 'cause I guess it was supposed to be really good at helping cancer patients remove toxins or something. So. But again, I mean, it's it. That was the only, but I can't imagine using it even in that sense. It's felt weird.
But I'm like, I guess if you've got cancer and you're dying and you've tried everything, like, yeah, you're probably gonna squirt some coffee up your asshole. Like at that point, what won't you try, you know? Brandon didn't even need to have cancer. Nope, just thinking like that. Why do you think I started roasting my own beans, taking it to the next level? Like stringing them together, I'm like, what are you doing? But anyways, no to, to pull back to.
But yeah, I, I feel that those things are helpful. But when I start seeing that the one thing is mimicry and depression, especially where I remember you had somebody close to you, they had suicidal ideations and they were on TikTok and other places with other people that weren't helping, but they were actually making it worse. They are feeding into it and it is. That's part of the side effect of being constantly connected. Is this unconfirmed bias like you will just go well, yeah, but
they. And if the algorithm shows it, well then. It's gonna keep pushing it. You know it's well your your field gets an error or an error cause your comments become this we're. Guaranteed after this conversation, go on to Facebook and you'll be seeing ads for mental health things and then your videos will be more guided towards it.
And that's understandable. That's the thing why AI has been such a good useful tool in this way, because now AI is starting to scrub it. So if you find it not enjoyable, I use that vote feature and report it constantly. If I see something, I'm like, Nope, misinformation, sexually inappropriate. Like the YouTube stuff where people are constant, like the only fans girls are constantly
on there. Like, yeah, dude, they'll use it where they're, they're getting away with showing partial nudity, but it's just a link to get to their own page. And so when they're doing that, I mean, I've got my kids on there. I just want my kids to focus on kids shit, that's all. But I see it now where I worry about my children and their mental health. Would I seek those out? No, I, I will say like in one area and and then I'll pass it back to you.
ADHD. It's not necessarily that what I put the best content I've seen on that one. It's been acknowledging symptoms and behaviors that ADHD people have, and that has been interesting because it's not prescribing. It's like, hey, you feel like this because I feel like this, yeah. And you go, it becomes a lot of self diagnosis and there's, you know, hypochondriac is. Which is funny because of that. Unless this and. I don't do that anymore.
But you've gone more to chat where you're like, hey. No, I don't even do that anymore. I try not to because the. I was going to say that kind of helped you through it some. Yeah, because it was hey, here's what I'm feeling and and this is what I was thinking. Do I need to do this? And it's like, oh, no, you're you're good. This is your side effects of your medications, like try this. Oh, OK. Yeah, that's why I've gone less and less.
To and so then it's that realization in your head of like, hey, maybe some of those things my my paranoia or fears that were coming out yeah, they're like justified. But maybe it's not necessary because this is 99.9% of the time. Is is maybe this? Yeah, because if you look at the cited information, if I see Wall Street Journal or Newsweek, it's all fucking hyperbole. Yeah, every single bit of it. If it's in a major publication, I don't trust it one bit. Who, Which major person is
funding that? Yeah. If there's an actual study behind it, I'm like, OK, cool, I want to follow that doctor. Yeah. And then I'll find out what else they'll. Get this study because often times. That's a dry read, yeah. OK, it is dry, but it's, it's just to go, what did they pull from this? Because a lot of that data that the, the claim states are there like the newsletter states, I'm like, this is not what your data said. So you're pulling this really
skewed stuff. And then I look at that and I'm like it. It is a very dry read, but it really helps me understand that like. Well, I take. This is a very skewed article. Exactly what I do is I take it and I I draw, I download the whole study and drop it into chat saying I need you to give me the top points in simplistic form. And I don't want to go through all the data sets. I just want to know where do they start? What was the middle? That sounds brilliant.
Save me so much time in reading. Because I need to know like. I do too, that's why I read the data set 'cause I'm like that's. What's helped me with it? That would save so much time in the streamline of the work process, because then I don't have to read all the data sets and go, all right, what does this actually say? It can go. This is what was concluded from here and here's what the data sets showed versus what their conclusion showed versus what
their can. You break it down in the graph, can you put it into a grid? And it'll do all that. And that's understanding and wielding it in a way that it's productive. But when you look at mental health, like the ADHD thing I was talking about, there's a content creator. I don't know her name, but she said something on one of I just came across it and I was like, I watched it again and I thought about it and I'm like, yeah,
that's pretty good. It talked about how dopamine deficient ADHD, which is done by studies. So it's not hyperbole, but the cool part about it was denying yourself gratification. So people with who neurodivergence, you could say we typically have lower dopamine. So we're constantly doing things, we constantly have projects, we do tons of stuff. We're extremely physical because it's the only way to get all that, that constant go, go, go, go, go mentality.
But the one thing that we do is we seek out behavior such as scrolling on your phone, playing video games for a long period of time, smoking way too much cannabis and, and not for medical reasons. You're just like, because I've got 5 minutes, you find yourself trying to just get dopamine hits. That's where you see people who
are severely addicted to porn. Where I used to laugh about this guy at this church where he showed up to talk about the the dangers of porn and that he lost his job for it and his wife was there too. And all I'm thinking is like, this poor son of a bitch is having to pour his heart out and do it in front of his wife when she gets home. I'm, I'm all I'm thinking, 'cause I'm always thinking like comedian or she gets home. She's like, yeah, phone. Right. Fuck yeah.
I told you I just spoke to a bunch of people. I don't do that anymore. Yeah, yeah, we'll see. I've got the phone and the guy lost his job and I'm thinking this poor bastard is beaten off like five times a day. His Dick is raw his his right forearm is dragging behind him 'cause his massive that. Quagmire, Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Twice the size what we're we haven't seen you in a week. There's fat. Why man, watching that Internet? But it, it did totally.
But but now I understand that these behaviors and so I started to do research from there and trying to find it. And So what I, what I think of those is that if you see something social media, it's a great starting point to start to investigate, to look, to search beyond this thing. It triggers in your mind because when I see something now that seems too good to be true, I copy paste and I drop it into chat and I said, hey, what's the validity of this claim?
And then it goes down like I've applied to jobs and then looked at the company. Oh yeah. And then they go, hey, you want to schedule an interview? Said no, I changed my mind. Yeah. Because I find, I mean, it's, it's doing a little bit more and but the, the mental health side, man, it's, it's a tricky, it's tricky. It is. That was the thing that it brought up.
Like looking into it is a lot of like that symptom lists where they give people this and then they're like, oh, or creating things or you know, like, hey, there's no introversion. It's just depression. Or social anxiety. Yeah, so putting these labels on you of like, hey, you're not this, you're this or maybe I am that. OK, well, now you know, and then they're creating these labels or then creating these patterns or that because, well, now I'm this, so I got to be this way and.
Yeah. And then you see it negatively. Yeah. And then you see it starts to materialize. Here's one that's really weird. I don't know if you looked at it Trets. So do you know what Trets is right? We we know. That definition. Hollywood version, You know where I'm sitting there and I'm talking to you and go you. Swear. Yeah. Freak out or yell or you know. So there's a lot of Tourette syndrome content creators where they share what? Living with is like, yeah.
And then oddly enough, through mimicry and kids being kids, they have caused damage to themselves by developing ticks because they do repetitive actions. They're becoming ingrained into your Physiology and your behaviors. So it's not, it's not psychosis. No, it's, it's mimicry that turns into like, there's, there's things that I do all the time. These are not because it's a, it's a tick. It's a subconscious thing at this point because it's been so
much of you for. So they've had a bunch of teenagers not only have these weird ticks all the sudden because it was more play, but then all the sudden, dude, they're being hospitalized because they can't stop these ticks. And now medications are being brought in because you got to re reprogram the mind. So mental illness isn't something you can catch, but you can also develop certain types of behaviors that take over that are negative. And I don't see that as a mental
health thing. I think it is a learned behavior that goes over it. It's a lot like growing up in a crime ridden area, Like we know nothing about that. We grew up in in a very and I'm I love that people go, oh man, you don't know hard. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah, I'm very thankful for that. Right. Like I mean, I grew up in a ghetto of orb. I didn't have to worry about my house getting shot up or someone breaking in. Like yeah, we had a security system, but I always. Find security.
Yeah. It's like it's gonna be really loud while they beat you to death. I'm like, it's great that it calls the people who call the cops, but like. I wanted to like shoot like trapping foam that instantly hard. It just sprays them. They get it, you're over, you're going. Intruder caught my front door. Right. I quit in the world and then I went and sold security later. But my parents like we got ours installed in the 90s. Yeah, but you know, the thing
too is that. Who wasn't getting There was no going. On but that's that's another son like earlier. So you can see like mass, mass mass hysteria compared to localized hysteria like people like your parents, like here in Utah, rarely there were burglaries. I know well my dad's parents never locked to their doors to their house, never locked their cars, and their keys were always left in the ignition. My dad grew up that way. I grew up going down there and
their home was always unlocked. Their keys were always in their ignition until my grandparents died. Like that was just always how it was. It's like security companies conspired to be able to get you to buy shit from a fear that's not. Real. It's fear mongering and going oh shit. And there are some areas that are more rundown and totally ghetto. But The thing is most people who break into your home know you.
They know what you have. No one's just going wandering house to house, usually looking in the windows going shit, what do they have? Do you think they have more than like $1000 somewhere? Do you think I could break in and hunt their whole home like? Yeah, people don't keep loose cash. They don't do those things. But no, it's it's the mimicry that you see on there that can be harmful. But I know that there's other
things like what? What are some good things that you think you've been able to find through there? Because I don't play on TikTok. I don't do a ton of it, honestly. There is like there are some licensed professionals. There's one doctor, Sasha Hamdani, the psych Dr. MD, he uses TikTok to educate, normalize symptoms and direct people to proper care. A lot of them do like breathing exercises, grounding techniques or explaining symptoms to just help people identify potential
concerns and stuff. So like those can be good if they point you in the right direction or that, but like it's a bittersweet, you know, it's like the Internet, there's the good, there's the bad. It's it's YouTube, it's anywhere. There's there's missed information, misdirection, and then there's other information. And it can be hard to differentiate for you what what the best is like, Hey, what is actually real? What what am I supposed to follow here?
You know, because you see one video that says this and then Fox News says this, and then, you know, this other one says this. You know, what do I do? You know, and sometimes we. Just And now it's even harder because then you go, well, I don't trust the mainstream media, but I trust Sasha 6942. Yeah. And you know what? I. Or cannabis school. Yeah, yeah, I get all my information from there. This any, any information you find should be just the tip of where you start.
Curiosity. Yeah. And then explore deeper to be able to fully understand it. Like that's what we have done with cannabis school. We want to know as much as we can about the plant. And you know, I I'm not arrogant by any means. I don't think anybody in the cannabis world should be arrogant about their knowledge of cannabis. But you realize how much you know, after so much time when you're talking to somebody and they ask you a question. Oh, yeah. And they're going well.
I don't take it because I get tired. What kind are you taking? What? What way are you taking like? Oh, I've tried them all. Yeah, I've tried all the gummies at the counter. You. Tell me you've tried them all. We've been running a cannabis show for four years and we've not even scratched the surface. Like don't give me that crap, dude. It was like this one guy I bought AI bought a bag of gummies for him because he's like, oh, I don't know if I want to get a medical Corp, could you
give me some gummies? I'm like, yeah, dude, meet me over at Kira and I went got him that and he left it in his. Car and it melted into a gelatinous mess. Yep. And I'm like, well, good luck with that. So then he just spit off pieces. That's Yep, that's what happens. That's. 5 milligrams one time, 65 next time, right? I mean, he doesn't, he's not smart, but you know, that's the thing it's it's being able to take a lot of this advice and that's what it is advice.
But I, I've seen the, the most helpful content when it comes to that is not necessarily telling me what to do, but kind of getting like an understanding of like I, I've felt like this or I've seen these things and you may notice. And the, the reason, the reason why I got so behind 12 shapes is it's been the first behavioral system that doesn't make you feel like you're bad at something. The disk model, strength, Finder, color code, all these ones, Myers Briggs, all of those they go about.
Here's what you're great at, here's where you suck at. I don't know if it's necessarily that we suck at them. We're just not good at them because sometimes it's not been our focus. It's not been. But that's the thing. The best strong suit is but. I think that what it does is it's misguiding because the misguiding is it's telling you like, hey, it's like, you know, yeah, yeah. Is there going to be a Spud Webb in the NBA anytime soon? Probably not.
And for those who don't know, Spud Webb was 59 and played in the NBA and could dunk. He could dunk. That's a mad hops he's. Short. Yeah, 'cause I was 510 3/4 because, you know, every little bit mattered and I could barely, like I could nick the rim, but I could never dunk. It was. I could dunk. I would spend hours trying to, but just practice. He is A1 in billions of
percentile who has that? And so it's it's this misleading thing where somebody would be like, I really want to be the CEO of a company and where life coaches come in and business coaches come in. And this is part of a good. This is a big area that I feel kind of molds right into the same thing because it sets up false expectations and false beliefs where somebody's going to be like, yeah, you'll be ACEO of a company, but maybe you're not built for that.
Maybe it's you're wired different and let's see where you fit in that company. Like I was having a discussion with a guy yesterday and I said, you know, I'm a real good #2 I don't like being number one in a company. And he goes, really why? And I'm like, because I'm the idea guy, I'm the get engaged with the people side. I'm a good president of a company.
I would never be a good CEO because I know that if I was the CEO, then the day-to-day decisions have to come down to me. And I don't want to do that. I just don't want to do that. What I want to do is the ideas. I want to drive it, want to grow it, but I don't want to be responsible for it, if that makes sense. But there's too many of them, like Grant Cardone, Tony Robbins, you know, what's his name?
The guy, the blue eyed British Indian dude who says he was a monk and he really wasn't Jay Shetty. Like there's Jay Shetty who has grown in this space of life coaching and all that stuff. And he, he did it all off of a lie. He said, Oh, I was a monk. He he went past their problem. It's it's like, you know, saying like I work for Microsoft because I have AI, was a contractor. Class and you know. Oh, no, there's a lot. I mean, and it was before those and that's those things like master.
Oh, what, what are they called masterminds? What was his nuts? Which one? That one guy. Oh, the master. Oh, which one? Dolan Circle or fucking don't remember his name. Yeah, John. And then the other one. Yeah, John Kovac. And I thought he bounced off of another mastermind that was before that. Yeah, 'cause he used to claim like, oh, I'm the youngest guy to be able to ever lead masterminds. I'm like.
But when I, when we went to the mastermind group, I was really surprised that it was just a bunch of people who were trying to start a business that had never been in business before. And we're attempting for the first time and we're still pretty new. And I'm like, this just feels like a networking event where people are paying to try and learn. But you're still pretty new to business too, so. Or the ones I would go to, where they were, they were all like, what's his name?
Napoleon Hill. Like groupies? Eat or grow? Eat. Think and grow rich. Yeah, I, I think there is value in stuff, but it's the problem with some of the life coaches or ones like that is when they tell people that, I mean, you can be anything you can now, will you be the best version of that? Not necessarily, because I think we do each have our strong suits and our areas of expertise that we're more more fitted for that We're like, hey, yeah, you probably could be everything.
You could be an NBA, whatever. If you spend a lot of time and that you might not be the best. You might be like bottom string. You might barely scrape in there somehow. If you spent 40 hours a week practicing, if you did this, you might be able to do that. Yeah, you might be able to be the CEO, but your company isn't going to be big and it's successful. It's not going to be this large thing. And instead of going, hey, yes, let's help you do this. Go what is it that you're trying
to accomplish or gain from that? What is it that you're looking to achieve from being ACEO or gain or get from that? You know, is it the title? What are you wanting from that title? Is it respect? Is it like, what is it that you're trying to get from that
title? Is there another way to help you achieve this without going, maybe this isn't your best strong suit, but you could do this and maybe still achieve those things you're looking for and feel that value, that respect that whatever you're trying to achieve and accomplish without necessarily having to do it in the route that you're thinking. Because that might not be your best strong suit. You're really fucking strong
here. And you could do this here and see that like see those skills and that value without having to, because wouldn't that be what a life coach is, is coaching you how to be successful in life? And that might not necessarily be the CEO or the like the dream that we've built in our mind. It might be something totally different. Yeah, and that's the hard thing
too. It's, you know, before what life coaching was was being able to systematize your life, to put yourself on a schedule, checks and balances, which are all very good, you know, but the side of like, can anybody be anything? I disagree. I don't think you should. I don't know that. You should. I don't even think you should explore it. I think that this is this is the reason reason why I would say
something like that. We've got a massive amount of student debt in this world for people who have that exact same idea. Yeah, like I'm gonna do this. That's. What I'm saying? So what do they say? It's like. 76% of people who graduate do not use their degree, 76%.
I would wait for that, yeah. Because most of like most people that I know, unless they are a medical professional, like a doctor or an attorney or an accountant, an accountant or like an architect or an engineer, or if you go into like some bioengineering or something, those specifics. But even then, I found quite a few of them that don't even utilize their degree still and are in a whole different field or area. And so even those that you would figure more would be you still find it.
So I would wager, yeah, 100% you would see 76 or more of people who don't utilize their degree because it's not valuable in or, or they don't find the purpose that they were hoping from it. Like, Hey, I really, I was trying to be this basketball player, this CEO or this thing or yeah. And, and I didn't feel 6 like I didn't find value and I didn't find purpose. I woke up and I hated my life every day. Like how many people do that? And they're like, oh, you're having a middle life crisis.
Well, maybe you just tried to live someone else's dream Going, I need to do this for so long and woke up one day going fuck. You know, I really like just putting together bikes and selling them. Or I just like making coffee or I like, I like working with my hands. I'm going to go be a plumber. Well. You know, whatever it is, because it was the realization of like all these things that we were told you had to do, it didn't necessarily equate to your happiness.
Well, and that's the thing too, It's always keeping up with the Joneses and that's where I find that a lot of these social media life coaches, business coaches or any of that or mental health coaches, because that's what you are when you. Subscribe to my course. Yeah, subscribe to my course. Like, like the ADHD girl, like, I like some of her, her content. It's kind of funny. And then she goes. I'm also an ADHD coach and I'm like, there's, there's the,
there's the rub, right? And it's instead like I would see these content creators, the content creators that do really, really well are the ones who are not asking for anything. They're putting out content. They just put out the content that can be helpful. One of the most favorite ones I ever saw. And I don't even have anything wrong with this part other than I'm getting older and I have diabetes. An optometrist.
Hilarious, content, hilarious. Like this one where he talks to himself and he's like, yeah, I'm going to help out my patient, but I got to put it into the insurance to make sure you're doing that. He goes, wait a minute. I thought you're. I thought you're practicing medicine. Yeah, but the insurance has to sign off on it. So let me get this right. You have to wait on the insurance to be able to make sure that this medical claim can actually be taken care of.
And he goes, yeah, so that would be practicing medicine. It goes. So the insurance companies practice medicine. They do. Doctors give suggestions. Yep, I learned that with my dad's last procedure on his back because he was like, cool, well, they've submitted this to the insurance and they're waiting to hear back on and what will be approved or not. And we'll see whether they allow this procedure to be done or if they try and make us do this other one that isn't
recommended. But for the insurance, it's cheaper. So that's what they would recommend because it might not be the best for the body, but in the long run it's going to cost the insurance less. So it's not about what's best for the human body, it's about what's going to keep more money in your insurance company's pocket. And that brings me right back to the TikTok stuff. Sorry, things like a little I'm chasing it. It is the unconfirmed bias.
You know when you you should get multiple if you're going to be looking at content on there. If they say five ways to make your ADHD more livable, maybe skirt away from it. The ones that are just talking more about, hey, this is what it's like there. Here's some things that have worked for me. Yeah, and making statements of I
instead of this. Well there that's what I've liked because my youngest was always told by doctors and everyone else that she has ADHD and the first thing was OK well we should put her on caffeine pills because caffeine has the opposite effect on her the other. So she was on caffeine pills and it was amazing. She worked just fine and then her mom moved her out of the state which of course allowed her to go well I don't need your
approval. So now methadone is, are the, you know, pharmaceutical meth is now going to be provided. So yeah, so then she was on that, but there was still hyper outbursts, all these things and no difference in focus or personality or all she did was lose her appetite, feel less like herself and didn't gain anything from it. Now she's been back with me for over 2 years. She's not had any of that for over 2 years and yet she's had great grades in school. Her teachers love her.
No complaints, never outbursts or this or that. It's no, she's quiet. She's like fantastic. She learns, she's like she's a very good student. And yet for when she was young and that and that was not what was, you know, the doctors were, oh, you need to put this or do this. And and then her mom wanted to get her on that. And it's looking at it going, but Emily's where we're going. TikTok that Emily had sent me videos that were like people with ADHD.
And the lady was like, oh, things for me that are really hard is like picking out my outfit, making sure like doing this things. And she's like, so for me, I just have these clear bins for me that makes it easier because I can just like kind of go, oh, OK, versus just feeling overwhelmed because I can't see everything or do that.
And I was like, Oh, well, that might be a really simple change or something that I could do that might make an easier effect for Addison. And just maybe with how her brain works, like there might not be a need for medication. Maybe I just have to help work with how her brain works. Totally going. Well, what works for you? Do you work this way? Well, if I can make these things visible for you, does that make it easier? OK, well, if it's easier, then who cares?
Like, what theme, what tool, what you know, like you said, skills or tools that they can use or provide going This has really helped me. OK, well, shit. Yeah. I kind of struggle with that. Would that tool or that little simple change help me? Could I impact my life by by doing this really simple thing? You know, I, I like that aspect of it going and I've pulled that from a lot of things, even on TikTok or other books, you know, everywhere where it's like, oh shit.
But that's good. It what it is, is a perspective and it doesn't have a motive. And that's where I see those who are saying five ways to do this or 1010 things that you're doing wrong with ADHD and how to fix them. Like anybody giving you a solid claim of this works. Be very wary of that, especially when it comes to ADHD. But depression? And they say it's a spectrum on all these things. So 100% then it's looking at it going, well, where on this spectrum am I supposedly?
And where on that spectrum are they versus like if it was videos going, here's 5 things I struggle with and here's how I deal with them. Cool. I really struggle with this and I found when I do this, it's kind of helped me and I don't know. And then you're going, I struggle with that, not self diagnosing, but like, damn, I know that I struggle with this issue. I I see this issue or this reoccurrence often in my life and I know that for me, I struck
like, that's hard. Damn, I've never thought about this approach. I've never even thought about trying that thing. And then you'd be more inclined to look into the creator. Yes. And then if you found the creator had a course and you'd be like, oh, that's cool. Yeah, I take that. I like how they approached these things or how they worked with their struggles. Not man they were diagnosed by a doctor or self diagnosed through TikTok and a checklist of hey
I've got this. But like man I really struggle with this because all growing up apparently doctors told my parents that we had ADHD, that I had ADHD, that I should be on meds. And that was apparently what my dad was told and his family was told. And then I look at it and I go, OK, well, if instead it was, hey, I'm diagnosed with this. And this is what I, you know, well, it's not this is ADHD, it's this is how I struggle. And this is what I'm struggling with.
And this is what I found helps me sometimes because this is really fucking hard for me to do. Maybe you guys have struggles with this. Have you found something that works good for you? Because maybe there's a better way than what I'm doing, like how many of us do at that approach versus going, man, I'm diagnosed with this and this means this, this, this, this, this. Because clinically this
checklist says I've got this. Well it's it's like people who will use the DSM 5 as their like standpoint of like absolute surety. Like this was said by this therapeutic board. I don't care. I have a hard time with actual therapists. I think that they are few and far between. Because it's all individual based. Yeah, 100%. And if you are a person who is extremely empathetic and has a great time and connecting with people, go towards therapy, something towards that, because
you have a gift. When I see somebody who's cold and methodical and treating it like they're an eye surgeon to somebody over there, like you can't, you can't DSM your five your way out of this, then it becomes this weird like biblical standard. Well, we're, we're putting the human on the other side and we're taking away the humanity and we're putting him in this checklist or a box and going
here is how I fix this. Prescribe this, do 10 Hail Marys and touch your toes three times and spin in a circle and you'll be healed. Well, it's not even the heal part. It's just like the the idea of that you aren't OK. Like there are things about you, there's quirks and personality traits and behaviors. Oh, because of the diagnosis you're not OK. Yeah, you're not OK. Like a lot of them start to be Well, like, because then you get the other part where you going?
Well, did you get diagnosed? I mean, most people are undiagnosed ADHD, whatever. And, and honestly, it's just a way for us to put labels on things so we can make sense of it. Because if it's just happening. It's different and we don't people don't like different. And this world really loves labels. We like to have a label to attach to something. It's what do you identify as? What's your political thing?
What's your religious thing? It's what do you label yourself as so I can identify you and feel where you fit into my list of people. Like what are your labels? Tell me. And it's not understanding. Hey, like what are your struggles? Who are you as a person? It's. Well, and that's where it comes down to it's connection. That's where the the part of where I was saying that I, I don't like a lot of mental health professionals. Yeah, is because I've, I've seen a lot of them.
I've got over 10 years of working in psych You've seen. A lot of health stuff. Working with children to adults and I'll tell you man like I, it is a turn style of individuals that come through that. Yeah. They may be nice people, yeah, but they're not built for that. This was something. Yeah. Yeah, this was pointed to them towards from some college counsellor who was just like, yeah, what do you.
Want to be and how how many of us when we're that young truly understand who we are and how we like what our strong suits and our skill sets are and and how we connect with people and and like I love connecting with people and talking with people but I think therapy would be really hard to take on everyone's. Shit and and that's where you get a lot of these like red, I mean, does red light therapy help? Probably, maybe do cold plunges work? I guess you know all this.
It's trendy shit that got started. Like honestly like people are were making a bundle of cash making these cold tubs. Yeah, well, honestly, it I thought it just came from the Wim Hof thing, but the thing they missed, No, it came from before. It's way before. That I thought the the big massive trend of the newest came from women off because. No, that was more like the breathing and all that stuff,
and that's died down too. Because his was more breathing focused when I watched all his stuff. It was the stunt. He's in the cold and yeah, it's getting this illness out of my bloodstream or whatever, like these things. But it was breathing. So that's why I was very curious because. Which is funny. Because I don't know what he is. Kind of commercialized himself where to the point where it killed. And that's the part that's hard too, man. It's does it live in it?
It does it live in infamy or does it does it just fizzle? And most of them fizzle like because it's just something especially in our our day and age. And that's where I see the dangers of TikTok therapy. Is it, you know, you'll be in this constant loop of looking for your advice through that or going straight to ChatGPT when you haven't trained it to be able to actually engage with you on that level and it's just going to pull whatever it can find? It'll do whatever you ask.
Given parameters and stuff like you will get all sorts of suggestions. And that, yeah, you got to guide it. And we don't have a world of connection. And that's where I see it's been the most needed. And that's why people gravitate towards it because it's not a dopamine high. It's a quick fix of hope. You're smoking opium now and you're like, OK, good. And hope is good. Don't be wrong. Hope is good. It gives you a little bit of stability underneath you to keep
going. But when you find people that are like, so biased that they get all their info, all of their medical, political, religious ideations from TikTok, you are getting a soup of different ideas and you need to be consistent. It's like, you know, like there's two different ways of working out. Either you can just work out your whole body and you'll get some stuff done, or you can isolate and see improvement over a period of time. Both of them serve the same
purpose. It just depends on which path you're going to go down, what you want to do. Do you just want to be healthy? This is a good idea. If you really want to wreck your body and see crazy changes, do this. But there is no right way. And that's where I see a lot of these. It's hard for minds that are not really discerning to be able to go through it going, OK, yeah, that would apply like how you were talking about. Yeah. That's unique. I would do that.
It's like I could see one TikTok about diabetes management where they're talking about low carbs, high fat protein and then the next one going, I totally got rid of my type 2 diabetes eating nothing but watermelon. And if they said that that's dangerous because watermelon will absolutely spike your blood sugar. So it's like, where are they getting? And, and The thing is, they
somebody heard something. This is the funniest one, and I'll have to send you the video, but it was about this girl who went to BYU and I think she was studying geology and her professor said the dinosaurs, right? This is a weird Mormon belief. The dinosaurs actually were put here from another planet together by God, and that's why we find them, right? That was taught at BYU. No, it was taught by this professor.
At BYU. Yeah. And then, but this is the thing, you we go BYU and then we go to any university, any university. You're gonna have a. Fringe Professor. Taught over a pulpit or a thing to students, it's. And they pay money for this, yes, And that's. Yeah, and they're graded on it. Yep. And they're not. Graded on. That, you know, for people who are going into that. So that's the thing. It's like, where is the information?
Is it, do you know, be there based on experience or do you know, based upon research, not getting a bunch of things. That's why life coaches, even in Utah, and there's a lot of other states too, Utah now has a law stating that life coaches are not allowed to do therapeutic things such as EMDR. And there was a big case here in Utah where there was a woman who was a licensed therapist but went under life coaching. OK, why? Well to see their methods or cuz you saw a. License Therapist has
malpractice insurance. So they didn't need that. Life coaches don't. Yeah. So they got sued because this person got really depressed. You also see BIG in the news. Do you know about that woman? What was her name like? I got the info she was the one that had all these kids trapped in the basement and shit. Oh, in Utah, Yeah, I swear I read about that, but it's been a while. Frankie something. Frankie Munez. Frankie Nunez. I swear that was on like TV when I was a kid at some point.
I have no idea that name. Yeah, there was this. Oh, but they were all foster kids, weren't they? No. No, this woman, Ruby Frankie, Ruby Frankie had a very successful YouTube channel based out of here in Utah, OK. And it was her extreme parenting. Extreme. Yeah, extreme. Like she was very like, like her daughter called her one time there was a video and her daughter calls her and she's doing the video and she goes, she called me and I told her if you don't get your lunch, then
you can't have your lunch. So you got to make sure you're being responsible for your lunch. And I'm not taking her lunch. So we're kids doesn't have lunch that day, which I don't know why you're doing that to a child. Yeah. You know, if they're a teenager, Yeah, you, whatever, you know, go, go. Tons of years figuring this out like. But she actually went to prison, plead guilty for four counts of child abuse and aggravated child abuse. But the thing was, is this woman was a life coach.
That kind of started to twist her around and this woman was the one that she had told her about this extreme parent who they created a business. Her kids were trapped in the house. One of the kids escaped, ran to a man and he had duct tape around his arms and he's like, you can help me? Yeah. Yeah, the kid and the guy called the cops and they found all the other kids have been abused for years, malnourished, chained up, taped up for for going against it.
And this the the dangers of a soft mind, you know. And even, you know, holding therapies and stuff, there's things that that's what I was saying. Like when you were saying that, it just made me think of all the things that certain parents did and it's. That's the dangers of TikTok too, because somebody could reintroduce that yeah, going hey, this is a really good thing. This is fringe, but this is it's. Like then how many parents are like, Oh yeah, I I'd do that. I'd try that it.
Was like this one, one lady, she had this funny content and I was like, does she have content for it? She says she's a sex therapist, but she does yoga poses on social media. Yeah. Tell you how to have sex better. It's like what? It's all about positions. It's not about connection, like, and I'm already having questions about you. Yeah, because you get some thirsty dudes like, well, I wanna do all those things. Yeah. And the woman's like, I don't want him to do any of those
things. Yeah, I don't want any of those positions. I don't want that. He doesn't understand me. So it's looking at both sides. It's a double edged sword, but there's it's like content that you create for evolution of me, you know, later on. And when you put that out, you're doing it in a way of more of here's a journey, here's a perspective, not here's the way. No, it might be, hey, here's a thing that might work for you. It might like. There's never.
Yeah, that's awesome. No, because that's awesome. I am not an expert in any sort of fucking way. But but you're you're, you're an engaged learner and that's more important for other people, right? It's, it's like where I'm at now with like one of the things I've toyed around with because of how many people I've talked to is, is doing more of connection coaching, not life coaching, connection coaching, teaching you how to.
How to connect with? Humans build friends and and to start relationships because I've had so many people that I've worked with not unintentionally giving them advice because they've asked and it's worked out well for him. So I'm like, OK, cool. Is it based off of a lot of experience? Yeah. A lot of the behavior science. Yeah. But I'm always in growth and I'm not thinking that I have all the
answers. And then when I meet people like that in the life coaching industry, they go, I have all of them. Anyone who tells you they have all the answers, run. Yeah, like, and that's why like what I'm creating called behavioral fusion, it's these things can be updated, they can be changed. These are tools. They're not the way. It's just a tool. It's just like any other tool that you see in a tool chest. Like going, I could use some of that tool. That's what I want to create.
And I started coming to it because that's been the hardest thing for me. It's like what you, you're, you're not a life coach, but you want life experiences and by learning from those and being honest with people and honest with yourself and what you can be able to achieve from that I think is exponentially better. So what I would suggest on that side, instead of going to TikTok or anything like that, start looking for podcasts that have these open dialogues.
That's true, yeah, you might find, because there are quite a few experts actually, who do have shows too. Oh, dude, so many, so many. And a lot of them are missed because people just, it's lost in the sea of like, well, if it's not on call her daddy. I don't know what it is. And it's just like, you know, I, I, I'm not gonna be OK with this. So a lot of our audience struggles with mental health or have talked to even sent us messages about their journeys and stuff.
And even with you guys, what have you guys found? Like has there been a, a doctor, a podcast, a like a book, you know, something that you have gone to that has really just given you a tool or a skill or something to go, hey, maybe you haven't thought of this and this might really help.
And then also, if you guys have come across some like real shady looking Tik tokers, why don't you go and send over to us because we'd like good laugh, be able to look at it, maybe ponder it, maybe even have some dialogue with you. Also would love the comments. Keep them coming and the honesty in the comments. Dude, seriously right there on Spotify. We think it's so cool that you can engage with it. Get better. Yeah. So as always, guys love you. Catch you next week. Take care.