I'm Brandon. And I'm Jesse. We're. Cannabis school having cannabis infused conversations. With everyday. People, Cannabis companies. Celebrities. And your mom. Welcome to the sash. Yo-yo, yo-yo, yo. What's? Up Yeah. Welcome. We we were able to give you that intro episode of why we created this new sesh. This is all from you. We we wanted to create something that was a little bit more, more in depth. Yeah, we could go more into people and cannabis comes up and all these conversations and
you're going to see this. We've got a lot of interviews set up and that's another reason why we did that 'cause we felt there was that disconnect and that's why we said it in the last video. So on this episode, what we wanna do is kinda let you get to know us a little bit personal way. And I'm we. Never really went into it on cannabis. We will so. We. Never have. We're gonna get to know Jesse. Damn, we're gonna get to know Brandon.
Just a little better. And and you know, I'm gonna start it out and I'm, I'm not gonna do the whole like, origin story, 'cause I think that's so played out. It's such a, it's such a generic trope. So what I wanna do is I'm just gonna go into some other things for you man. So favorite change that you have made in your life? Oh my God, I already got. It in the last year. Oh, year. Fuck. OK, never mind.
So, so on that thinking about what I meant by that is you know when when we make, we make a lot of like you know, Brandon and I, we've changed so much over the years and the time that I've known Brandon, Brandon has gone from several different personality types to where he is now. And I think this is more of his true form. He's finally molted into a butterfly. And so he. Beautiful little butterfly.
Yeah, he's, he's flying around and acting like a little bit of a fairy, right, You know, But I mean, I say like, you know, he's he's totally a different person now. So yeah, it's one of the things that I've loved about Cannabis Man is seeing the progression of who you were from how long we've known each other. Now I am married to his cousin and they. God, how long has that been?
18 years for us? Yeah. And. Since 2005, S 18 going on almost go either going on 18 or going on 19 and I've been with my wife for 20 years. It's been a long time. Yeah, and it doesn't feel like a long time. But me and him have been really at least good friends since. I would say yeah that yes. Since we got into sales sale, Brandon Knighters, yeah we both been into like sales, sales support roles, marketing roles throughout our. Lifetime. Yeah, our our lives and and we
just made it really a bond. But both of us were different than to where we are now. So where my mind when when you first asked me where, like what has been my favorite change that has happened? Yeah, tell me your favorite changes just now. The. First one that popped into my head when you said that it wasn't even in the last year was transitioning out of that cowboy gross phase that, like, my ex-wife had somehow gotten me into, into, like, now getting out of that.
That was my favorite change, but it wasn't in the last year. No, no, I agree. I think the favorite change that I have for myself is I'm not as I'm not as aggressive as I was brought up. And it's not to say that my parents were really aggressive, but they grew up during a certain time I. See it. And this is the thing with that though, I don't think that's the last year. I think that's been no progression over the last decade at least.
Well, and it a lot of it has to do with cannabis, because cannabis, like, you know, my wife kind of got on me about it one time. She's like, hey, you know, I've seen you using a lot and I had to explain. I'm like, yeah, I am addicted to cannabis, but I'm addicted to certain things. One, she's like, well, you get mad and you go and smoke. If something comes up and it's really hard to deal with, you go and smoke.
Well, I deal with a lot of high anxiety and smoking helps to get me baseline where I don't freak out. I I was brought up with a lot of yelling and a lot of physical aggression and reaction. Yeah, lots of reaction. And now even if I yell, that gets my kids scared. But I don't do it as often and I usually can come back on hey look I I went too far. I'm taking I'm gonna own responsibility and I have extreme ownership on this but it it that's been the biggest change for me is my aggression.
My aggression was not and and and. Maybe I need to get my testosterone checked. Maybe that's why it's so low. But I definitely, you know, and I. Cannabis is the same way like cannabis in mind because same way my dad was very reactive, it was yelling and my parents was it's very military. This is how you do it. This is when things are done. Like it was just we had a set of rules and you followed it.
And so when I became a parent it was very hard to go like to get from where I was to where I am now. And thank God cannabis, because I don't know the type of parent I would be if not. Well, and and let's go back to that, so you you had kids at a younger age, is that right? Yeah, my oldest is 15 now almost 15, and I was 22. 22 When you had your first kid. So it was. That's not too bad considering for Utah standards at the time. You were usually married by 1819.
Yeah, but I got married at 21. We'd been dating for like 2 1/2 years off and on. And which for Utah is also an anomaly because usually it's Hey, we met 3 weeks ago, let's get married. Or hey, we met a couple months ago, let's get married and it's like you don't even know who this is. No, but sex feels amazing. Yeah, but you can't do that, so. Unless you're married, right? And as far as perception around here, we grew up in that culture and you grew up in a in a dominant Mormon culture 5
generations. But very conservative, like, yeah, you know. So would you say that who you are right now like it does it, is it, it's not a shock to the family anymore, but do you think it's shock to anybody in the family? I mean, it definitely was for sure. But it's been stages. Like I I think the person I am now, it's way easier for them because I left the church first, I got tattoos. I was seen drinking all the time like they knew I drink because I wasn't ashamed of it. No, it wasn't.
And it was kind of spiteful, Yeah. You just weren't hiding. And it's just like but I wasn't. Rubbing in their face, it was like, yeah, I don't care. Like I'm OK telling him that I had drinks or that I went out and or that I have whiskey or that I really like this type of, like, I'm not ashamed of that. Why would I care? No, no. And I mean, it's just because your family was is incredibly judgmental. Yeah, super judgmental. And it's at.
Least I was nervous about that and you know, terrified when I left the church that like, I'd be disowned because of all the stuff I had read about like this community. And it's it's sad because there are people who experience that. But surprisingly, the worst thing that happened was my dad was like, you know, we were out boating one time and it was one of the first times he had seen me with my shirt off since I got
my first tattoo. And he was, he'd see me and he was like, yeah, some people make stupid decisions like this and some people get stupid things like get a star on their chest. And I was like, OK, so this is where we want to go. And and I didn't go down that rabbit hole because most of the time I try and not be an asshole. But. Still, yeah, but it's just it's been interesting to see, but I feel like that progression has made it easier for them to understand cannabis.
Yeah, you kind of set that stage for it, because I didn't get the same. I mean it. The only thing was shock. Well, but for people. For your and your. Family like. You are not my family. Your. Parents like you kind of were religious, but then you stepped away for a bit and then you came back more into it. Now that you've been married and you know, you bet it's a different religious and almost. I wasn't religious growing up, even though my parents were pretty into it.
I was never grew up in it a little bit. Yeah, I was a bystander. Yeah, I was just there. I was a. Maleficent Bystander, Yeah. That's it. I mean, all I would do is just come in. And I mean, I left at a young age. My whole family did. We would participate because it was part of the community. So we were still kind of accepted, but not accepted.
You know, people made a an effort to get us to come to church, but it never really worked and you know we all went our own separate paths as far as that's concerned. But I didn't grow up that way. I grew up in a a very latchkey family. Both my parents work. We we struggled for many years. We're very poor for a long time. Up until I was in my teens and then it wasn't until I was gone in the military and I joined the military right after high school. Didn't want to stay around here.
Got out left, saw the world, got to have a ton of experiences came back. And I love Utah. I I will never leave the Utah won't. I don't feel a need to move away from Utah even if I left the church. You know, I came into the church later on at 28 and it was, it was a, you know, it's been a good experience for me, but because I create the experience and I think that's why so many people are accepting of me using cannabis both in in the religious community.
My family could give two shits even. Even with that, though, the religious community are in the community or not. The community, the organization as a whole actually accept medical use of that, of that plant, of this plant. So you're not a pariah. So it's just different in there's nothing that you're utilizing in this medication that's frowned upon for the church that you're a member of. It's just more of the community that has the stigma that's been perpetuated by history.
Yeah, And and the other part is, is that because I don't make a big deal out of it, I take it as a big responsibility of being not only part of this cannabis podcast, but also being a cannabis consumer in the world and so. You educate people. Yeah I I do so from my actions and who I am but I'm I'm pretty outspoken I I will tell you how
I feel. I've I've no problem articulating how I feel and and that's the thing that when I when I look at cannabis involved in my life that's a it's a big thing for me but to go away from a serious note over there. So Brandon what do you what are some of the things that consume your time let's let's take like you can call them hobbies. I don't really have hobbies. I I somebody would think I have hobbies, but I don't know if I practice hobbies like other people do. Like like you really like
longboarding well. I mean, longboarding's something that I've been doing now, and I thought about this the other day. It's been over 20 years. I've been longboarding for over 20 years and I grew up here, so I've been longboarding this area for 20 years, so I'm incredibly comfortable with it and for me it's like snowboarding, longboarding, anything like that. Is would you say you're a nature guy, You enjoy the nature? I do and motor. It's the flow.
I find flow in motorcycle riding, in longboarding, in snowboarding I find a flow in the movement. I find a flow in like the ride and so I am cool. I am present. All the other shit disappears. So for me, when I went through divorce, motorcycle riding was therapy because all of my stress, all of my anxiety, all of my everything, my massive depression, it disappeared. The only thing that existed was the throttle and me going through that corner and trying not to break traction and trying
like. And I would go through these corners as fast as I could, because that made everything disappear. Nothing existed except for that next split second A. Little of adrenaline. That was it. And so, like, I could have everything else disappear. But then in those moments, like random ideas would pop in my head. All of these things, because all of the other bullshit disappeared. So motorcycles are awesome.
I mean, you you you sound like the movement is the best thing that you do. So you invest into those things like, like you said, like longboarding, snowboarding. So, I mean, in Utah is such a diverse landscape where you can, yeah, you're like in a different world 20. Minutes from the mountains. So I can be any of those things, you know, within 20 minutes. Yeah, I've heard. You know, for people that are like thinking like, I wonder
what Afghanistan's like. Utah mountain ranges are very, very, very similar to the Afghanistan mountains. Even the climate, everything do they have. Pirate trees in that in certain areas. Huh. And so they and I I've asked. Guys thinking about like Afghan Cush and the more indica based ones. I think those are in culture
regions. And it's interesting, it's really cool but that that that's good to know about you because you know a lot of people may not know that like what is what is he into and I think it's just the development over time. So that's, I would say you're more serious endeavors. What? What do you, what do you do like in the downtime? Do you fuck around on your phone? Oh bro, we play lots of. Games we play. Games we I don't. I don't say we're gamers, but we're we're, we like to play.
Maybe a couple times a week that like not big gamers. I used to love playing a lot more like I would play Halo and stuff when I was. Had you ever venture out and play different types of games? Never RP GS as much I was really. Sound a nerd for those? Shooters, shooters and racing games. Oh yeah, I really enjoyed those. Racing Jam. Yeah, we play Insurgency, Sandstorm on PS5. We'll put our gamertags down in the Oh yeah, it'd be in the show of notes if you you want a friend with us.
However, be chill if we play together, 'cause we had one guy and it was just like his whole group of friends and. Such a wanker, They're. Dicks. I didn't like him at all. But Insurgency, Sandstar don't know. We we love playing that one. Like shooters, Like any shooters, we're both playing race. Divers got to hell. Yeah, Hell Divers. We're we got into Hell Divers for sure. But what else do you do? You play. You play musical instruments. You grew up musical, right? I did.
You know, growing up in Utah, one of the very popular things for parents to do is get your kids into like Daniel art music. And I took piano for 10 years, and then I stopped touching it for at least 10 years. And then I started playing a little bit. And right now I have like a 1920s piano that is in very slow stages of restoration. Yeah, it's. Pretty cool though. I mean it's it's awesome. And I mean he he he knows how to tune them. Which is I learned what I found
out. You can do electrical work too. You're. Yeah, my dad was a contractor and his dad like a general. And so I worked. You're like a journaling. Homes and shit, all since I was 9. Like so you've learned that for. I've done way too much stuff, but same with you. You've done like weird shit from like being in the military to being a rock Mason working in the mental institute for like mental hospital for a long ass time.
Yeah, 10 years. So I mean, you've had quite the wide variety and that was before you ever even got into like sales and coaching and marketing or anything. Yeah, that's like a whole another lifetime ago. It feels like it. It's kind of weird. Like anybody I talk to, they go, what the fuck have you not done? And I'm like, you know what? It it really doesn't I I look at it were people. And you were a bouncer at one point. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I've done a lot of different things and it's kind
of funny. What? What are your hobbies or not hobbies that you have? My, my hobbies. What I used to like if I was to say like a a hobby, like what you like to do, right? Like when you you go longboarding quite a bit and it's a it's an act that you do with one of your brothers quite often. And that's so cool, right? And I I do. I love weightlifting. One thing that I used to be really passionate about, I've been doing martial arts since the age of seven and I just was
naturally gifted that way. I learned Jiu Jitsu half under instruction, half of it self-taught. I'm a big self educator, so another hobby I have is learning. I am a nerd for learning. I can't even enjoy fiction books as much anymore. I'm reading Dune right now because I really want to. I think it's an awesome world. The first one. Yeah, I'm reading the first book and I'm really excited. But what's funny is, is that it's not my hobby, it's not my
passion. My wife loves to read like you've seen her library, and that's just. Part told me, Well, I think it's been packed up. I'm sure I've seen it in the houses. It could chill. And my focus. It could fill two of these walls top to bottom with that amazing. Her library mine takes up two areas. Yeah, of books. And it's mostly business books. It's self-awareness books, marketing books, sales books. My books or a lot of history? Yeah. Oh no, I'm. I'm steeped in history, but.
That's what I love is I've got a lot of I like history. I like, I have every band book ever on my electrical library, my digital library. And I love, like, interestingly enough, for someone who's not religious, I feel like I've read more religious texts in my life than I've read. I've read, I've I've read a lot of religious texts. In my youth, actually, when I was in the military, I read a lot of that. You had a lot of time, I'm sure.
Well, yeah, I mean, if we go back, I mean, I I grew up here in Utah and as soon as I could, I left. I went to the Navy where there there's very few Utahans. I met one other dude from Utah in my school after I graduated boot camp. You go to a specialized school called a school and I went to my a school and there was a kid there and he'd been on restriction for like 3 months because he went into the bar on base and pretended to be an officer. So he had all this restrictions.
So the guy didn't even get to go to the fleet. But I while going through that, man, I mean, it was not a lot of people from Utah. Matter of fact, everybody would ask. They're like, hey, bet you never seen black people before like this many. And truly, I had like, there's two black people I knew. Oh yeah, growing up. At high school, I remember there being like 2 black kids. Yeah. And that was. It, and that was a lot of
different. Hispanics, super diversions and stuff, but like one or two black kids and that was it. Yeah, it was. It just, it was very much, yeah. I didn't see that, but not. Culturally diverse here when we grew up. No, but I mean, when they'd asked me, they're like, you know, bet you never seen this many black people because in in boot camp it was probably about like 40% black guys. And I said course I do every Wednesday. And they go, what?
And I'm like, yeah, watch The Cosby Show and they just laugh and they just like, OK, you're all right. But being in the military, like, I I, dude, I didn't ever left the state on my own. Ever. Till you were 18. Yeah, I mean our, our. And when I grew up, I grew up with my family, had no extended family. Did you ever go to like Wyoming or Nevada or anything? Nevada Yeah, we passed through for going to Mexico to Tijuana. I have an uncle that lived down
there. My dad's originally from Mexico. City. So you went to Mexico though when you were younger? Yeah, I've been to Mexico a bunch of times. I don't speak Spanish. But so when was the first time you left the state then? I was about six. No, no. When I was born, I went to Massachusetts. I've only been to Massachusetts twice. Once I don't remember. And then the next time was when I was 12 and my grandfather died and he was a piece of shit.
But we went out there and. Marie's a piece of shit. He was a piece of shit. I mean, I learned about the man later on. He was a complete piece of shit. Died alone, was left in his house for like 3 days. Sisters ransacking his house while he was sitting there fucking dead. Fucked up, right? And I was just like, whatever, I I don't have anything to do with my mom's side of the family, my uncles. I I've met him once. I'm cool. I keep in touch with my my cousin, one cousin on my mom's
side. That's it. And she's awesome. Do you have a pretty small family? No, I have a pretty big family on my dad's side. He's from Mexico City, born and raised, came here legally. He he worked hard to become a citizen of this country. Pretty big like Holt side or like pretty big, like bigger than that. Bigger than that, the the way that Mexican families are, are huge. Like when we do, when there's a family reunion, it's insane. There's so many people.
You're forgetting you're talking to the elder side. No, the Elder side is fine. The Holt side I don't. I don't know. That's why I'm curious like what? How large is large? Because my just like my grandma, my aunts and uncles. Oh no, no, that I'm talking like cousins or anything like that. I had none of that. We had none of that to see my grandmother and grandfather in Mexico. You had like a really small side on your dad's side.
Yeah, my dad, Noah. When we go down there, I only saw my grandmother throughout her life maybe 6-7 times and it's. Wild to me, and I grew up within like a mile of both of my grandpa. I bought a home and right across the street from. My grandpa? Yeah, exactly. Grandpa's like. I mean, and I bought his home he originally had in the 1950s, so they bought it. And so it's it's kind of funny, 'cause like we didn't have that. So I wasn't used to extended family like you are.
Everyone in mine is close, like I've got. I remembered that's how we met. Somewhere out there. But like outside of the Utah, some of them are dispersed throughout the US, but majority of all of them are here in Utah and a lot of them are in Utah County. And so it's like my dad's side, the elder side, when it's just under the umbrella of like my grandma, grandpa down or like 160. That's crazy. That's crazy 'cause I I I didn't have that.
And so for me, as much as a outgoing out, I mean you've you've been with me to networking events like Oh yeah, everybody knows. But you're socialism. Like a little social butterfly. Yeah, exactly. And I'll go anywhere. But The thing is, like, I have no extended family. So extended family. When I married into it, it was a lot for me. It's like, oh, we got to go here, we got to go there. And I'm like, what the fuck? I was like, I didn't have to do
any of that shit grown. Well, and I feel like 20 years ago there was way more stuff that that old side did. So you know, it would have been way more stuff like hey, we got to go here, we got to be here and. Yeah, but it it's it's unique and that, and I don't think that's really unique to Utah. But I do notice that Utah families are bigger. Like I have a big family. I have 5 kids and. I mean, I come from a family of five. Yeah, you come from a family of.
4/4, Yeah, 4 kids. I always forget about your another brother or other sister. Yeah, Ahmad. Is. I mean you got we we we engage. We associate with each other. That would be the best way to say it. We associate your family's a little bit more tighter. My my side. Not so much. You know my brother and I, my brother served in the military and I I pushed him to go and and I mean there's regret but there's also a lot of like he's glad he went but he's he's awesome.
He's he's a piece of shit. Fuck you fuck face. I hope you're listening to this. That's how we treat each other. That's the family I grew up. I grew up in a very poking fun at you family. I have very thick skin and the only time I get mad is when you get mad and then I'm like, oh, you wanna fucking go like let's do this like, but that's also my family. My dad picked on me all the time. It's the weirdest.
Like we go over to my my parents house or something, my my dad's house and my dad will like make a comment or say something and my girlfriend's like what the hell? Well, it's like, it's just how he is. It's how he grew up like, but we give each other a shit and. I mean, did I think about all the things that you could say right now that I'm not gonna say on this podcast? But I'm just like I'm that's like being some of the. Comments. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Because I I think of it, see, like my dad, my dad just would like, you know, if we hit our heads when we were kids, he'd go, oh, who told you he had a big head? Like, I'm crying. Yeah, you know, and and all those things, like, you just tease us. But that's how our family was. We would just tease each other. And maybe in some way, that was a really good thing. My parents were preparing us for going, hey, you know what?
The world's going to be a little hard on you and they're going to say things to hurt your feelings. So don't take it so personal, Right? Yeah. I got picked on all the time. I am a really small person and I was really short too. So then that combined with being a little fucking weirdo. But Oh yeah, it was perfect company getting picked on. And and and I just. Had like this really smart ass mouth, and that's basically what came from it.
It was like, all right, well, I can't beat you up, but you're gonna make me feel bad, so I'm gonna make you feel like shit. So then they're gonna beat you? Yeah. No, I didn't grow up that way. I grew up. I was the oldest out of four, and that's why I was put into martial arts, to defend myself and defend my family. And then I became the family Pitbull. Growing up, if anybody got hurt or somebody picked on one of my siblings, it wasn't like, you know how it is today.
It's very litigious. It's just like, I'm going to sue you if you did this to my child. It's more of like you told your kid going well. Don't put it up Next time they say that to you, fucking punch him. At least that's the way I grew up. You didn't grow up that way. No. You gripe in a very non confrontational family. My family. Very. Confrontational. Yeah. It was just more of a, well, actually, I take that back.
So I would fight with my brother and my mom would just go, if you're going to fight, go outside. Because my dad was always growing up, so growing up in my dad's house, they would fight all the time. There was eight kids and six of them were boys. And so the rule was, if you're going to fight, go outside. I don't want blood on the carpet. So in my parents house, if we were fighting and you know we were, they weren't allowing us to fight.
It was go outside. Yeah, we didn't, we didn't fight very much. You know, if we got physical, like the only time I remember getting physical with my brother growing up was when I was out of the Navy like, never when we were young. I mean, he's he's a lot younger than me. He's well, he's not a lot younger than me. My brother is 40, so he's about, yeah, he's about five years younger than me, but he still grew up around the same era. But we didn't hit each other.
But what we were taught is to defend each other, you know, which is kind of odd that we're not as close. Brothers, sometimes, my young Alec, we shared a room and it would be at bedtime because I'd be tired and I'd want to go to sleep, and Alec would want to stay up and chat, and he'd keep talking and he'd keep talking and keep talking. And I'm like, bro, if you don't shut up, I'm going to punch you.
And I'd count to three and then I'd get up and punch him, and then he'd go, ma'am, and I get in trouble for punching him. But that was the only time that I really would punch my siblings, Except for when Curtis punched me in the face buttons and I spun him around and I punched him the square of his back about 6-7 times as hard as I could. And I told him, don't ever punch anyone in the face again, 'cause I had braces and it stuck to my lip.
So I was really pissed and I I was stronger than him. So I would always put him in his place because he was always angry and would pick on all the other siblings and would get mad and threaten my youngest brother or Alec or someone. So then I'd have to step in between. And so it was just like when he punched me in the face, he pissed me off and I spun him around. And aside from that, like I would never hit my siblings but. Now we we fought, but it was always verbal.
We never hit each other. It'd be more, I feel like wrestling and stuff kind of like not even but. But I had sisters. I had younger, my sister right below me. She, you know, she could get violent. Yeah, yeah, like all of us were taught to defend ourselves. But I was given all of that kind of responsibility. So I became a martial artist from when I was young, and I was. I was a natural. I could naturally adapt to it.
I loved learning it, and I did so throughout all of growing up and through my adolescence into my 20s. I tore my ACL In my late 20s and early 30s. It was my late 20s. I tore my ACL and that was it. That was it. No, it was in my 30s. I was 31. I tore my ACL and then I couldn't do. I was trying to that. Still affected it today, though. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I I was the only way I knew about it was I was doing a judo throw. Now it's hot new.
Oh sweet. Yeah. I was doing a judo throw and my knee gave out and so I was like fuck. So then I went to sports medicine doctor and and they did an MRI and they're like, yeah, it's gone. Like you could see it in the MRI just destroyed just frayed at both ends of a rope G and so like you cut it you know how it just blooms yeah that looks like between and so I I I mean it's extremely expensive surgery so
I've never got that fixed. So martial arts used to be a huge part of my life it it's not as much anymore. Yeah. I still. Oh, it's like sports. Are you still sports? Yeah, but I I. Not not like you. No, but I mean on this side like. Medication. But also, I tested it all the time. So I hit in lots of street fights and I I was bouncer and being able to utilize it there. But the and I worked at the state hospital here in Utah and
I had to protect myself a lot. I've been in dozens upon dozens of physical encounters, violent encounters, and not including the ones that I'd find myself and and that was on a daily occurrence. And I worked to being able to help lower down assaults. And that's kind of like where I got the first starts of of mentoring, coaching, being able to work with people with my voice instead of just getting physical with them. Because I love the physical stuff. I enjoyed it.
I I loved it. I love getting them trying to hurt me. And I I didn't mind the pain. I enjoyed the pain. I still enjoy the pain, to a point and. That's why his wife has these little chokey collars arm and stuff. Armageddon. That's my safe word. Armageddon 4 Horsewood 4 Horsewood Armageddon. But no, I I'm, I'm, I'm a pretty open guy, have a lot of violent tendencies that are still baked into me. I'm a nice guy now, but I haven't forgot my violence.
I'm a weird I I collect knives, I love knives. I always got a knife on me and it's. True. And. I can't tell you how many knife demonstrations I've had in my front room with a new knife. Yeah, like, I can cut here, here, here, here, Let me show you this. But yeah, I've I'm, yeah, I I like that kind of stuff. But other than that, I like playing video games. I like reading business books, marketing books, behavioral psychology books, consumer psychology. Like, I'm really into that stuff.
But beyond that, like what's something else did you enjoy? Oh, archery. We haven't done that in a long time. I just love doing that. We got like a 70 year old bow. Yeah, nice recurve bow. Got a? Still works. I have like a 30 LB Turkish horse bow, which is fun, but it's like a really unique style to. Learn, It's very cool. I don't know. I've enjoyed that, but that's been a long time. I love reading, learning. I do. I'm a big fiction fan. I read every once in awhile.
Like I read the 1st 3 Dune books this year, which was luck for me but I loved them. And then I I've been mostly just I'm big into lately. I feel like reading law, studying law, all sorts of random stuff with that history. I love history, religious history, just world history. Archaeological stuff is always cool. I like watching videos on that. I don't know if I've really read much on stuff like that. No, I'm. I consume like that either through podcasts or through
videos. I'll watch those and get really into them like and that's why I I used to love Joe Rogan's podcast back in the day because he would have some really interesting guests. Yeah, it wasn't just because of how it is now. It just he had the interesting guests. Like I love listening to Graham Hancock. I would have never found him without Joe Rogan or it's. True. I mean, there's a million people that have totaled Joe Rogan. They're just like, oh wow, I've never heard about that.
I want to get more into it. And so it's. Even the bright inside guy who went yeah, I I loved his before with. Jimmy Yeah, for a long time. Then it was like, oh shit, he's on Joe. Yeah, it was cool. Yeah, I I I'm the same way, man. Like on that. I love learning about different societies, cultures. I really understand cultures. Traveling and visiting cultures. I know you kind of got burnt out on travel in military. I don't, I haven't done that
much. I've done like maybe 10 countries and so. I don't know how many I've been to. Oh, I see I could. I mean, probably not that much, but I got to spend a good enough time there. Yeah, but it was the travel like for those who who've been in the Navy. Oh, that's a different kind of travel who? Sure. You know, they're just like, you know, somebody goes, you want to go on a cruise? I'm like, why would I want to go on a cruise like that? You don't. Have to work on.
This I know, but at the same time like it's it's still, it's just it was weird, you know? I mean, being out at the ocean for months at a time, especially when I was out there, like we had, like we had restrictions because it wasn't even wartime. Yeah. And it was just crazy, man. Like you're just out there forever. Just. For me, I Lou, I find the ocean really calming. If I was on it for like months and months and months and like workers, it might suck. But if I'm if I'm Glock, it does.
Not suck, but like you get, you get to the point that it's either, like, so accustomed or you don't admire it the same. I've lived here my whole life. I never had the same appreciation for the mountains, I think, until I went to like the Midwest or Texas. And then I came back and it was like, Oh my God, I just feel like I'm surrounded by mountains versus like, I can see the end of forever. And I fucking hate this. Well, I mean then some people enjoy it, but even it's the same thing.
Like when people from Hawaii come here and they're like, oh man, this is amazing and all you're thinking is you're from Hawaii. What are you talking about? But because. It's beautiful in its own way. Well, but it's different to visit than it is to live. Always. You know, it's like where we grew up here, there's a university in Hawaii, BYU, Hawaii, Brigham Young University Hawaii, and lots of people wanted to go there. And I had a friend, she went
there and she said it sucked. She said it was so expensive to live there, she thought she'd saved enough money that she was literally sleeping on a blow up mattress while she was going there, barely eating any food. And she's like, it was horrible. And I left after my first semester, like it just wasn't. But she was a kid and I thought it was awesome. She went at that time, had that experience.
And that's why I think it was so great for me to be able to go to the military when I did, because I was. I was 18 when I signed up and I left for the military. And it was the best for me. Like, I got to be more. I I was never independent growing up. My parents were there for everything. I didn't pay for anything. I had a job that paid for gas in the car that they bought for me, so you know.
I didn't have to get a job. I worked with my dad every summer, and then I worked with him on weekends, and that since I was 9. But I didn't have to have a job until I was 16 and I totaled the car that my parents bought for me, and I didn't have to pay for insurance. I didn't have to pay for anything before that. And then I totaled it and they're like, cool. And now you need to get a job, 'cause you have to pay for ticket towing insurance, like the deductible and that.
And I was like, shit, I don't have that much money, so I had to go get a job in order to do that. Yeah, I always had a job. I remember when I was 16, my dad got me a brand new, shiny job application for Chuck E Cheese. And he's like, you're gonna go get a job and you're gonna work and you're gonna earn your own money. And I I hated that job, But I was glad that he did that when he did it. Would I be the same way today? No. I want my kids to be kids as
long as possible. Like I, you know, I I don't want them to feel like they've got to grow up so fast because today's world makes them feel I. Was kind of glad that I got a job at 16 because when I did, it actually opened the door for me to do a lot more things that I actually wanted to do or liked doing. I got way more into paintballing. I used to paintball with my brother every single week. We would go all the time, and it
was amazing. But it was because I just had disposable income that I could justify doing that. And I didn't have to worry, 'cause my parents, you know, my, you know, my mom, she's frugal as fuck. I grew up thinking we were poor because all we ate was homemade, everything. We didn't have nice stuff. We weren't like we never were given, or the things in our home weren't the nicest things. Yeah, Christmas and. Things were, yeah, everything was super minimal.
There was no vacations. Vacations was like camping or driving to Southern Utah until I was 1414 years old, was the first time that I ever went to Disneyland. That was the first time I left the state. No, I take that back. Grandma and Grandpa Holt took me out of the state for a trip when with staff and Aubrey and all of that when I was 9. Aside from that, I never left the state, but that's because my mom is so frugal, so I never knew. It's because she paid off the
house in 10 years. She like, she was really fucking frugal and good with money and so at the end of that, like. We started taking trips by the time I was 14. It went from, hey, I went to Disneyland for my first time to now I'd gone to Mexico. I've gone, I've gone to like probably 40 out of the 50 states almost. I've been to 10 different countries. Like, I've gone and traveled now, and all of that has been from my parents. I haven't paid for shit for that. Well, and I mean, I grew up
poor. I grew up poor for the majority of my youth. Up until, again it was around when my grandfather died, my grandfather left my mother everything. So that changed our lives. Where they built a home, they had a home, but it was an older home in a in a rough part of of Orem, UT the city you live in. And it it was a rough part of this area. Even today it's still a rough part, and I didn't know any different. But I loved my childhood.
I I had an act of imagination and I was always playing. I didn't get along with kids in the church at all. I didn't like bullies. I was one of the great things about being in martial arts and not being afraid of 'cause I was taught in an area where, you know, you didn't have a lot of
padding. It was just like you just kicked the shit out of each other and the better you got, you didn't get hurt as much and now it's like the you look like the state buff marshmallow man if you want to touch each other. And I'm like, what the fuck is this? But in my buddy, we're boxing. When I was little, and how we boxed was his brother had one set of gloves. So I got one glove and he got one glove. That meant one fist had a glove and the other didn't. That was. It yeah, it's.
And I grew up with with that and being poor and I never really thought about that, not until I was older where, you know, not only was I from a Hispanic family and it was getting a little bit more accepted at the time, but it was still predominantly white at the time, still so. Hispanic friends growing up? Yeah, but I mean, I didn't have very and I wasn't. I didn't seem like I I didn't speak Spanish. Yeah, I'm white.
I look white. But you know, for the I mean, my dad looks more European than anything else. Even though both of my grandparents are racist in some Ave. like some aspect. Yeah, but those, they grew up during this farm. I feel like they didn't push it down. Like it was never there was never a hatred. Grandma and Grandpa Holt went to Mexico and taught English when my mom was little.
Then they went to China several times and taught English and Ukraine. Like they were always out helping and spending time with other cultures. And my dad's side like they were, yeah, they had comments or things, but there was never hatred. There was never a thing of like us and them, so growing up it was just other people. Yeah, I experienced racism all throughout my my youth. Which is terrible cause but I'm white. I didn't.
I haven't had that thing. No, no, but I mean that that's the thing though it it was just I didn't understand it. I didn't understand growing up here in Utah, that what. Race was explain it and you're like, I'm a kid and I'm getting picked on by all these, you know? Other people spic or what? And I'm thinking about all these little kids and I'm like, if that was my kid, I'd be so fucking pissed. Yeah, I mean that was the great
thing. Like, you know, one of the things of growing up like this, this is a funny, funny story. So there was these guys I hung out with that were, I mean they're as redneck as they get. I mean these guys had longer. I grew up during the time of 80s and 90s metal, so and I grew up in Utah. So if you had metal dudes, these are like mullet dudes who had like Jean jackets on where they'd fucking like do the logos for the bands.
And that's funny. And they thought it was hardcore like Metallica. Like, I listen to heavy shit now. I listen to like real heavy shit and talk about that in a little bit. But you know, throughout all of that, like I was growing up in that time, these guys were not the best guys to be hanging out with and I broke ties with them. One day my brother comes home and he has got lashes all over him like red Marks. And two of my former friends had been chasing him.
Now my brother is in, He's like first second grade at this time 3rd grade. And these are kids who are eighth grade, real fucked up. And so he comes home and he ran home and I was like, what happened? And he's like, your friends were whipping me with these ropes and I was like, where are they? And he goes, they chased me back, They're outside. They asked you to come outside And when my grandfather died we've got to go to his house. He left everything to my mom and my mom was really nice.
She gave some of the things to her brothers even though they were written out of the well. But one of the things that was there was this 10 foot long black and white checkered rawhide bull whip. And I used to thought, I used to think that Indiana Jones was super cool and I had this telephone pole in the backyard and I'd whip it and practice on grabbing. So there was a certain way you could turn your wrist and it would grab onto it and then
you'd flip it and release. And so I got really good at that. And then I could also whip it so I could smack paper, 'cause I I could train it as a weapon. It was really long. And I went to my room and I grabbed that bull hide whip and I put it behind my back, came outside and I'm like, what's up? And they're like, Oh yeah, what's up, Lil Spick. And I'm like, cool whoop.
And I just kind of whipped it out and the first guy, his name is Ryan, he took off running and I went and it wrapped around his head, yanked him down and he hit the ground. Then I released it And then just start to whip this other guy named Matt. Just whap, whap. You know, this is checkered and it's woven.
Oh yeah. So after I whipped the shit out of these kids out in front of our house, hour later both of the mothers with their kids show up to our house and they're yelling at my parents going, look what your son did to mine. And I came out behind my dad on our back porch straight up look like it's out of like Watts in California like so ghetto as fuck, like I grew up in this ghetto and it didn't know it. Not until much later and and they're like you you did this to
my son. I'm like and I pulled my little brother out and he's got whip marks all over him and I'm like look what they did to my brother. And the mother turned. One of the mothers turned around, just started beating the shit out of her kid right there on the driveway. I'd be so fucking pissed if that was my kid who did that to some other. Kid, I hurt him because they hurt my brother. But dude, they had welts on the like. That kid I wrapped around his head.
There was this like grill bark covered off of his forehead and it was hilarious. Dude, his whole body was. Fucking deserved that. Like that's the kind of stuff that makes it's so frustrating to see and it's like what that child do to you to deserve that. It's like, well, he existed. He's different than me and it's like, well, you can. But we didn't look, we didn't look dark like my sister and I look more Hispanic than my other siblings. And you don't even look Hispanic.
No, I mean, if I. But even if you did, like who the hell cares? Well, that's the thing. Like I I would get more of when I get really dark when I was younger, like either Hawaiian or or whatever. It was funny. I even got a trouble with that one when we went surfing in Hawaii when I was in the military. And dude, this white kid in our, in our ship, he went with us and he's just paddling out. And this is in Laia. And I didn't know that they had
the Laia boys. These are gang out there and they were like not cool this big tongue And dude walks up to me, goes, hey brah, where are you from? So where do you think I'm from? You from New Zealand? Yeah brah. OK, you can surf here, but you're highly friends. They got to get out of water and they went out there and chased these guys out and were like, let's just go somewhere else. But yeah, I mean, I never. I didn't look that. But because of my last name, I
was. I mean, they knew, they knew, and I didn't care, you know, 'cause there was a couple other kids, like a lot of Martinez and stuff like that. I just got teased because my last name's Elder, and growing in Utah, it's like, oh, Elder, Elder. And that got to me all the time. It drove me nuts. Well, at least people could pronounce your name. I got Angelo's angle. Ease. Anal ease. One of my friends. Yeah, I I even got that with friends.
Well, dude, it followed me all the way into the military. Like it it. You know what's funny is that people get this whole thing. If I put loss in front of my last name, they would pronounce it every single time. But because it's not they the the brain. Just like short circuit. And when I got to the Navy, I reported to my ship. And you have duty for every week there's a duty section that will be there every day. And you will be on that duty section maybe one week maybe two
weeks out of the month. Who knows. But they just pick their roster and you go and they were calling over the this PA system. They're going firemen. Angeles report to the quarter deck. And I'm like, and this guy goes, dude that's your name. You're Angeles and the Angeles. And I'm like, no, I'm Angeles. That's Angeles. I don't know who the fuck that guy is, but he's got to go to duty section muster and I get to the brow of the ship and I bring up my car.
They have permission to go ashore and they're no permission granted. And I walk down the brow and then the next week I was on duty section and they call me again. They're like Fireman Anglies report to the quarter deck and one of the guys like, dude, you're going to get in trouble if you're not reporting to duty section. I'm like, well I don't know who Anglies is. I am Fireman Angeles. Such a stubborn shit.
And then there was this non commissioned officer a senior chief waiting at the brow and he caught me and he's like he goes Stan fast sailor what's your name? I said Fireman Angeles senior. And he goes, you've had duty section that you've been purposely missing and I'm like, I don't know what you're talking about And he goes, we have been calling your name over the over the P, over the. They call it the one MC that we've been calling you from that for weeks now. How come you haven't been
showing up? And I'm like, I still have no recollection of this 'cause my name is Fireman Angeles and he goes, Are you saying that you haven't reported the duty because we couldn't pronounce your last name? It's not my fault, name's full of elaborates. How many people are on that ship? On my ship at the time, there was only we were smart ship during Clinton's time, so we had 300. And you were supposed to know everyone on that ship? Oh dude, when it was fully manned, it's 800.
At the beginning, you were supposed to know if there was another fireman, Angeles. Right. Well, no. Angeles. But that's what I told her. I said it's not my fault the Navy's full of illiterates, and so I had to. I got duty Section that day, scraping it, and I and I had to mop the deck. I I I had to clean a bunch of passageways and shit like that. He was pissed at me, and rightfully so, but, you know, it was even stupid stuff like that. I don't, Most people don't know that I'm Hispanic.
They don't even think I'm from Utah most of the time. And the funniest comment I've ever got is going. I thought you'd be taller. I'm 5-8. Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm a short stocky. Guy, you know what's interesting? And you can't tell right now, but in the summer when I was younger, in like 16, I went to Mexico and people thought I was Hispanic. No. Yeah. No, I don't get that. I don't either, but it's because in the summer, when I was out all the time, I was actually fucking dark.
Well, I have cousins down there that are red headed white. We're very different looking. Still, I don't know. I mean I it. Was just funny. I I don't get. I mean when the times I It's been a long time since I've been to Mexico. A long time. My wife has been there before. I have. Really. Oh, she went on that trip. Huh. Yeah, that I won. Yeah, that was crazy. Oh. It's been 20 years, probably since I've been to Mexico. Yeah, I've been out of the
States in a really long time. I don't, I don't enjoy travel. The reason why? I was just associated with growing up. It was always it was hard to do and it was expensive for my family. And you know, we didn't have much. So I I've just used to that. I'm just used to that. I don't. I don't like going places. My idea of like chilling out and having a good time at home and doing absolutely nothing is a vacation to me. It means I'm not doing anything. I don't want to go see shit.
I don't want to go do shit. I just want to go chill. We used to get a beach house every other year in in Oceanside, CA Yeah, absolutely. Love that town and we'd go there for a week and that's it. That's the only thing I could stand. But most of the time the only reason why I couldn't stand because I go get 2 carts and I puff on that. From morning until night. I am high The entire time I am, I'll go through those two carts in those five days, like 'cause I'm just high the entire time.
I'm a pretty boring vanilla guy like you. You listen to the stories I have in your life. What the? You know, when I was younger, dude, when I was younger, I did almost everything. I feel like when we're younger, we're a lot more wild, like. Oh, totally. When you have kids, it really changes you. Oh yeah, like a ton. And it's just it's very different once you have kids. Yeah, but that's that's the thing though. I took my time. I mean, I I. Really didn't have kids till you were.
Much later, my first son was born when I was 28. OK. Yeah. So I didn't think quite 30 that. Would be a a pretty early stage now for many couples today, they're choosing to have kids in their 30s. You know, some are in the 20s, but it's going up. But at the same time, I'm gonna be an old fuck by the time my oldest, my youngest leaves. Yeah, you know, that's what I'm like, 'cause. He's 8 now. Yeah, he's 8. Yeah, so you got another 10 years before he's 18.
Yeah, I mean, and that doesn't mean he's gonna be leaving. No, that's just once he's 18. Yeah, but that's like my youngest, you know, my oldest right now is 17 and he he'll be like he'll be turning 18 in February next year and he just turned 17. It's crazy to me. It's so weird to think about. Yeah, and but I left on my own, of course, 'cause I needed to. I wanted. To I moved out the day I turned 18. I actually had a contract signed with an apartment right before
that. And I came home and told my parents and I was like, oh, I'm moving out next week and they're like, what? And I was like, yeah. Yeah 'cause you wanted that. I I needed free independence. My parents were so controlling and everything was like, this way. And I'm like, I have to do my own thing. Yeah. And so I got out. It was fun though, man. I loved living. You know, when I lived on the base, I didn't live on the base. We had a house out in town right
off right outside the gate. The the the what was it? the IT was the Eastgate and it was it was awesome. It was cool. Like living over there with a bunch of dudes and. Yeah, very different. Dishes. And there some of these shits were rotting. And dude, I never food. I hated my first apartment because roommates were just like, so fucking shit. I loved it because it was just crazy, like you had to get used to so many different personalities and but we were all like just slobs.
Like we would once in a while, like on a Saturday, be like, all right, we're gonna, you know what? This place is fucking disaster. We need to clean this together. See, I was cleaner because my mom, it was always clean. Everything was just messy, Jesse. So that's how I. Messy Jesse. That's what my parents called me all growing up and I'm I'm still messy to this day. Like, I mean, I don't eat and get food all over me, but I'm just not. I'm not an organized guy. I'm.
I'm horrible with organization. Horrible. I'm great at follow up, but I'm horrible at organizing. You don't want me to get something together that means something that's, I don't know, very important. But if it's for fun, oh, I can organize that in a second. But I'm just, I'm not an organized person. You look at my night stand, it's a fucking disaster. Yours is very It's nice. That's how Steph is. But it's because my mom was very much like everything was
particular. And so after that, like, if I didn't clean it, it would just get messy. And then I get stressed and then I feel anxious. And I'm like, now, if I wake up in the morning and things aren't picked up, I can't just sit down and enjoy my coffee. I sit down and then my mind's going, You should be doing this. You should be doing this. You should be doing this. And I was just sitting there like I wish I could enjoy my coffee, but now I have to do all these things instead of I just
pick it up the day before. Then I don't have to worry about it and I can enjoy my morning. I can get into my theme because even even when I sit down at my desk to start work, if I sit down at my desk and it's cluttered, I can't work. I have to organize my desk before I can work because my mind will be too stressed about all the shit on my desk. See me, dude, it's I don't even care. I don't care the least. The one thing I can't stand is everything organized in its own way.
Because it to me, it's a distraction. So and it's weird, it's a it it's totally opposite for most people, but it's a distraction for me. I you know I I don't know man. I I you would you it would drive you nuts being just. Different people, that's all. Yeah, but I mean, you know, with the will, you just describe the way I laughed. I'm like Steph's the same way.
My wife is the same way. She's very clean and I have become much better at it. But still, dude, if you went into our room, like you see side of her bed, like everything is where it needs to be. There's nothing on the ground. You get on my side, there's clothes and shit down here, bunch of cords to charging something and fucking duds of stuff on my night stand. It's just like this chaos. Like I cleaned the top of my desk. So yeah, I'm a I'm a I'm a creative, constant creative.
But it's just I'm, I'm a messy dude. I'm just a messy guy. That's OK, you know, everyone's got their thing and their style, and not everyone's the same. Well, I mean that's that's kind of like, you know why? That's what makes everyone so unique and, like, beautiful in their own ways. Like, if we were all the same, life would be super boring. Yeah, it would be boring.
Conversations would be boring. It would be so dumb to go have another conversation with a person because it would just be like, talking to Amir and you're like, all right, cool. I already know what happened. Next. I'm gonna go like, watch, show or jerk off or like anything. Anything else there, right? Like, I don't know. Right away like says, Like, what's Brandon doing right now? Well, it is 4:00 and it is a Wednesday, so. Probably roughing up the suspect.
OK. So going past that one, we'll kind of round this off and we wanted to go into deeper about us and and kind of our thoughts and ideas. But I want to ask you, Brandon, Music, what's your favorite music you're listening to right now? Bro, I can't do that. You know me, I have such a wide range. So kind of give us a wide range of music that you listen to. Oh God. I mean, this morning I put on Bob Marley on vinyl.
Yesterday was Glass Animals. The day before I put on System of A Down. It really really depends. I love 21 pilots Lately I. And Taylor Swift. I fucking hate Taylor Swift, actually. No offense to you guys if that's yeah, yeah. That's. Cool, but my girlfriend has every single one of her albums on vinyl because she loves it. But I don't like her music. I'm just not a fan of it, you know. So love. Like Frank Sinatra. I love classical music. I love. EDMI love.
So do you do you just change off any time? To move like, I have such a wide range of music that it just depends on the moment. Yeah. And sometimes if I'm like snowboarding, I want a certain type of flow state thing. Like it really, really depends on where I'm at. Sometimes I want like more rock style. I love the older rock like seventies 80's rock I. Love that stuff. So I I do a lot of that. It really it just depends. I used to think I was black for the longest time.
Growing up in I listened to just almost strictly rap. So. Go through phases. Yeah, I really do and. So what's what? What's on your playlist right now in Spotify? Oh God, which playlist? You know what? Let's do this. Brandon's gonna drop his playlist into into the comments down. I'm also gonna drop my playlist in there. Oh, which one? My flow.
My. Oh, that is you're getting into flow state, Yeah. Because I listen to a lot of synth wave, not big into techno or house or anything that, but I really like synthwave and then I am huge into thrash metal, death metal. I do like the old metals. I consider them emo metal like Disturbed, Metallica, those ones, and Terra. Oh emo metal. Yeah, they're more. Emo music. No, emo metal. I call it emo metal where it's like it's more like they've got ballads and shit like that and
that's cool. But I liked a lot of threats. Like my favorite band literally of all time is Lamb of God. Randy Blythe is an awesome singer and I just love their music. I wish I could sing like them and it's it's so like gutter roll sounding, but it's a it's a motivator and hate breed. Nicer ones like Killswitch Engage. The older one. I don't like the new lead singer as much. Oh, they switched out the lead singer.
Yeah, Howard Jones left a while ago, but he was cool and it was awesome, 'cause he's like one of the few black metal singers and and then he left and new guy does. He see it still sing metal or does he? Sing in in its own way. But I I like Howard Jones. He's cool like him in Like 7 Dust. When I was growing up, I listened to Sublime is like one of my favorite bands of all time, too. But I listened to Billy Joel. I listened to like I can even enjoy the carpenters. Not for long.
But you have a couple albums of carpenters on vinyl. But I I listen to Beatles, my dad is a fanatical Beatle maniac. Still to this day, he's 70 years old and he has got every album he's. Got. Does he have a? Vinyl. He's got random vinyls that are extremely rare. I found it in a record shop like 2324 years ago. It was awesome and he, he loves that. My dad is still, he's still very old school and it's cool and I grew up with that music, so I enjoyed that music. I listened to.
Oddly enough, I have a lot of, like my parents music taste thrown into it. It's not my favorite, but like, they were very. Pouty as hymns. No, God, no, no. The Michael Jackson, more like the poppy 80s and 90s was what they were. That was my mom. So I have some of that stuff in there as well, but I even like bread. I like like America. I love all of the older genres. I'm a big fan of The Doors Led Zeppelin. Oh, I love Led Zeppelin, ACDC, Pink Floyd. Like, I have tons of those on vinyl.
That's one thing I do love. I love collecting vinyl. I just wish I hadn't jumped up so much in price recently because every time I go to look at a new vinyl, I'm like, it's like 50 bucks. I don't want to spend that. I don't want to spend. There's some that are cheaper, but like all the ones that I really want, I'm like, that's like $80. That's 100 bucks. Yeah, he's gonna have. To bite the bullet, 'cause it's like my dad, my dad'll look for those too.
Yeah, I I used to be a big fan of collecting, but I don't collect that anymore. It's all digital for me right now. It's not as good. Vinyl's the only thing I collect. Aside from that. Like I I Spotify all the time. Yeah, I don't listen to a lot of. I won't listen to new music. I just don't find an affinity to it. But I do find new metal that I really like. I love going to the gym. I love lifting. You know, I I'm not putting an emphasis on trying to be like giant like I did when I was
younger. But I really enjoy it. I enjoy the strength of it. I it just it's the competing against myself. It's I can't do it. Martial arts the way I used to. So that's another way where I get abused the shit out of my body. When I'm in my 60s, I'm going to be like a bent over solid, like fucking arthritic guy. But you know, for right now, it's my life. I'm living it that way. But it's it that's about it. But the music side, like, yeah, I'm pretty, I'm pretty easy to hit.
Like you can tell me a metal band and I'll be like, if it's too screamo, I'll be like, yeah, it's too. Yeah, for me, I'm not really into the screaming side of it. When it gets AI can do a little bit of screaming, but then when it's a lot, I'm like, all right. We should do that, but let's put in a couple that. Cause here's a funny thing. I can't stand Bob Marley. Really. I hate Bob Marley. OK, he's not my favorite. I don't listen to him all the time.
I would say maybe like once a year I listen to him. But this morning I was like, what do I put on this morning? I'm like, fucking. I'm gonna throw on some Bob Marley. Why not? But it's it might have been over a year since the last time I spun. Well, and I don't know if this happens to you, but and it and maybe it happens with you guys too. I associate music with people and it's a one way to be able to categorize them for me and and I've been doing it since I was young.
My two of my ex girlfriends, one of them I was engaged to when I was in the military. She loved everything reggae and it bugged me because she used to give me shit for listening to tool, 'cause she said that's like way too hard. Tool is way too hard. Tool is not way too. Tool's incredible. They have beautiful music.
Yeah, they're not. I wouldn't consider a metal they're just completely on their own For me tool's awesome but they're on their own they're just they are metal but they're not they're not corn but they're definitely not hate breed or or Lamb of God or Shadows Fall like those are some of my favorite bands but no man, I I I enjoy like everything. I really do. I enjoy everything like you but I'll get in my modes of like I only listen to this but
Synthwave is all the time. So I was thinking of we should do is put down in the show notes not only our playlist but then a couple of different albums that we're like yeah we listen to this so you can kind of like get into you know what what do we like and. Yeah, I'll throw some of my favorite albums. We'll throw some of Jesse's favorite. Album, Yeah, it'll be, it'll be cool, 'cause it, you know, you can kind of get a a feel of what
we are. Maybe you resonate with us a little bit more than you think you do. Yeah. Yeah, but. And you guys can share your favorite tunes below. Oh. That'd be. Awesome. The Q&A Drop your favorite album. If you guys have like a Spotify album you're listening to or something, throw it in there. Share it with us. We'd love to check it out. If you, If you. Have a band drop it in there. Oh hell, you have to hear about your music. Like when Kyle was correct hating on his music.
Yeah, I haven't seen anything from him in a minute, but I've loved his music. He's had some really sick beats. Yeah, So I think it's cool. Like we, you know, we love Kyle. Let me give a shout out to another one. Wesley Carter, he was giving a shit about Gran Turismo 7. He's like, it's not as good as Wreckfest.
And I'm like I've. Never played Wreckfest, but it sounds as Arcadian. It's a demolition Derby, but it has better it's supposed to have better physics in handling than Gran Turismo. Interesting, That's. Pretty. That's a tall order. But it's probably all dirt based, so if you're going off that are, I'm wondering if it's the handling on a Rally of Gran Turismo comparison or if it's just handling on the road.
Yeah, that one's squirrely. There's a way different things, so. You can tell like what we think. We love that, right? But let's let's put it in there. Also, share with your favorite video games. What are you guys playing right now? If you guys are into video games, cool. I'm 45. I still play video games, but I think that's kind of average. I grew up during that. Picked out Fallout 4 the other day, started playing that one
again. Yeah, be. Final Fantasy 7 I'm in, I like, I like RPGSI did the remake and then I'm playing 16. I think Witcher, Witcher and Zelda were like the only ones I really have played and spend any time in. That was a good game. Most RPGSI just it's not been my jam. Yeah, every once in a while I like to play on my own, but I I typically like playing most of. The time I play is when I play with you. Yeah, that's it. Like, I don't have other people I play with.
I would play with some of our fans. That'd be fantastic. I know, I guess I have played with like my brother and we did play Hell Divers with Preston the other day. Yeah, that was cool. We. Just got to get a larger. Group sound like he was like in a in a in A and I didn't know, I thought he had a headset, but it was funny, 'cause his girlfriend was in the background, she like. Talks so much witchy games, it's the funniest thing, and it's like she was the most vocal
gamer in the whole group. I know it was hilarious. Like, she's in the background and I was like, I was laughing because I've listened to her conversation. She's hilarious. Yeah. Shout out depressed as well. Well, hey man, this is cool. And and I'm glad that we are having this episode. We released this right before 4:20, but you guys need to pay attention to our social media. Yeah, we're going to actually be live streaming on 4/20 at Dragonfly Wellness.
So you can TuneIn on Instagram. We will also. We'll also have a show published later. And if you guys are in Utah or stopping through, stop by at Dragonfly Wellness in Salt Lake on 4/20. Stop by and say hi. So we'll be at the booth hanging. Out we'll be. Front and center we'll be. Having a sash.
Yeah, just going over everything about cannabis, talking to people locally who just got their cards, like we're really excited to be able to be a part of that process and Dragonfly has been such a a wonderful host to be able to sponsor that. And with 420 around the corner, remember if you guys do get really high super anxious, take lemon juice. Yeah, keep it with you. CBD These things will help bring you down really quick. You don't have to ride out a
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