I'm Brandon. And I'm Jesse we're. Cannabis school having cannabis infuse conversations with everyday. People. Cannabis companies. Celebrities. And your mom? Welcome to the sesh. Dang bro, I'm real good. I'm telling you dude, I've been really, really sensitive lately. Wrecking your throat how the pens like has that been rough too? It's just about everything making you cough. No, my, my honey stick. I, I fucking clean that motherfucker. It was not burning right?
There was too much old wax at the bottom. Yeah, I had to. And it it. Soaked it in ISO for a bit. Well, I took a a really thin sewing needle and just went along the sides. Yeah, that's and then in the coils and then I burn a new wax in there and it completely cleared it out. And that's fantastic. It went to brand new and I was like, oh good, we did Black Amber last night and it was fine. I used to have black amber concentrate, that's amazing. Well, it's just Steph likes it.
But I mean, black amber was delicious flower so. Well, she likes she likes edibles a lot. Yeah. It's funny because she's like, I just feel bad and I'm like wise because I don't want to have to use it to do that. And I'm like, wait a minute, you you take other meds for anxiety and depression, correct? Because yeah. And I'm like, you can't see this as buying beer from your local grocery.
Like you're you don't get beer because you're like, you know, I really want to get introspective and think or I got a little bit of pain. I'm going to drink this. Like, that never helps. Yeah, it's never helped. It's inflammatory. So it's when she gets it, she's just like, yeah. And I'm like, you need to stop feeling bad. About it 'cause she still looks at it as a drug in some instances where it's not a medicine, it's not helping her even though it is.
And she sees that there's still that backside of our mind that's like, hey, this is a drug or this is, you know, it's, it's recreational in some stance versus hey, this is really helping you with your anxiety, your depression, whatever. And potentially, maybe it's not right now, but potentially down the road, this could be a healthier, better option for you if you can learn to navigate that.
Well, even like you know other people, we know somebody close to us. She, you know, she came over, we had like a get together and she had a little bit of bud and she said it was finally like the elephant had gotten off her chest. Like her anxiety is so high. It feels like an elephant's her friend. Yeah, yeah, we'll say friend, but when when they live are. You talking about Steph that has that? No, it's not Steph. I mean, I wouldn't you? Were talking about the one who came over.
Yes, OK. Yeah, I know. Then she used flour and that helped. Well, just cannabis in general, like it's helped her in the past. And for her, she's just like, you know it Again, it's you know what what causes the problems with cannabis is marketing and what helps it is marketing. And it makes sense why they won't let you market it because it it will it it will pull away a lot.
Of be just better quality of life and the commercial for cannabis would be like, hey, do you want to be happier, healthier, more like a better version of yourself more connected with your friends, your family, your kids, more connected to your job more like focused in your intent what you actually do in life. And the list of the side effects would be like dry eyes, dry mouth, paranoia and high doses and and. Person cough if you smoke too
much. Yeah, Like, so if that was the commercial that people were seeing versus like I've seen these commercials for all of these other meds and it was like, oh, the creator of this Med which is supposed to help with this, it doesn't work for everyone. So if that doesn't work, well, they've now made this Med that
now works. I'm like, so the same company is making two different meds for the same exact thing and one has these side effects and one has these side effects, but the very first side effect that they reported on the commercial was death. Which one is this? I have no idea. I don't pay attention to it, but it was just like, what is this garbage? Like, these are the first medications. And every side effect was like, oh, internal bleeding this.
And I'm like, so of course that's why you can't market cannabis because if you had a commercial that was like, hey, like showing all that same shit and your list of side effects was like, oh, maybe persistent cough. If you smoke too much, you might get dry eyes in high doses or certain strains, or you might get paranoia in high doses. People like OK so I just use a low dose.
Yeah, I, I. Like, but that's why you can't market it. But that's the other side of, you know, marketing has also shot it in the foot cause like this is your brain. This is your brain on drugs and. It's well, I mean, but it, it only makes sense.
I mean, a lot of times those things were probably set up by the DEA to be able to be able to create a good front on not the entire organization, mind you, But like what we're seeing now, like a lot of these organizations had a lot of crooked people that were running these organizations. They were in the higher ups of these organizations. So no wonder why they're getting, you know, these things filtered over to them. What greater way than to hide in
plain sight, right? The DARE program in the 80s. Like what a great way to hide insight. Oh yeah? Well. Drugs are really expensive. Like, you know, I don't even know what it's did for all I remember is that funny what that you would see at Spencer's and shit, right. But it was it, it, it looking back, it was like, Oh, this is a great deception to, to make this look bad.
Well, I, I mean, I grew up thinking it was bad the first time that I was around friends that were smoking weed, you know, I, I was very Mormon and they were drinking and smoking weed and they're like, do you want to do that? I'm like, oh, no, that's OK. I don't, I don't do that, you know, because there's. Well, that's how you array,
yeah. And so finally, after being around it for well over a year and seeing what happens when people use it and it wasn't what I had heard, and finally one day I was curious. And I'm like, hey, you guys want to smoke? And they're like, no, we're good. And I'm like, no, I'd, I'd smoke with you. Like, oh, shit, OK, yeah, let's go buy some bud. Because at the time it was like you'd buy an eighth. And that was maybe, you know, that would last you however long that lasted for you and your
friends. And then you, you know, maybe later, eventually you got more, but it wasn't usually all the time. So we went and bought stuff. I think we smoked on top of a can because they didn't have a pipe with them. And then I'm like at right after that, I'm like, they got to make devices for this. And they're like, oh, they do, they sell them here. And so I went to the smoke shop with them, bought a little metal pipe and we used that to smoke out of after that.
But I was like what the garbage? Like what? I mean, that's it. That sounds like a stereotypical, like cannabis story. Like, yeah, we got it, friends, and we smoked that. Like I didn't have those ones. Like, I was in the Navy and somebody goes, you want to smoke? And we're like, sure. And they rolled it up and we were in our house and they were really chill about it. And we just smoked and we talked and listened to music and had black lights in this room. And that's hilarious.
We just chilled. We just chilled. And now I had such a very easy going into it. And then I had the incident where I smoked way too much with somebody. Yeah. And it was horrible weed. Like thinking back, yeah, he was really bad. I remember early weed stages, going with friends and you know, scary learning it. Meeting this dealer over here. Go get this. Product not not as scary and like super chill guy. He's like, hey, what's up? No.
And it was like, I mean, it was back then, this is 20 years, you know, and so going around getting that and I remember it was like, do you want kush? Do you want mids or do you want schwag? And I remember once I got schwag and I got so excited when I bought it because the bag was like so full in comparison to what I paid for before. But then when I smoked it and realized it's a lot of sticks, it's a lot of stems, you got a lot of seeds, It's really shitty
bud. You get headaches, you get not great experiences from it. It's not a clean quality experience. And that was like, Oh yeah, there's there's a big difference. There's a massively big difference even back then between quality of flour. I remember Granddaddy Purple was the first like actual strain that I got or that's what they said. It was from a dealer 20 years ago around here. That's like, yeah, it's been ages, but that was the first one.
And that might have been the first time that I actually felt high, because before that I never actually felt high when I smoked. I just was like, oh, this is funny. Like, you know, I'm hanging out with friends, whatever. The first time I actually felt it, I think was with that. And I was driving home 'cause it was 2:00 in the morning. It's, you know, and I'm cruising down 820 N in Provo. There's no cars on there. It's a 2 lane Rd. It's 25 miles an hour.
And I felt like I was going 50 and I looked down and I'm like 22 and I was like, oh shit. And so I'm just like focusing because it's maybe a mile to my house where there's no cars there, you know, real quiet when you're high, you're just really focused. But everything felt like I was going, you know, lightspeed and that was it. But that was the first like actual time that I had experienced high of sorts. And I had been smoking for months by that point. Not me man.
I mean I remember every single time I I just remember I got way too high when we went we smoked a blunt and hot box this truck on the way up to it's right above Seattle. I don't know the town, I can't remember it like Everett, WA or something like that. Maybe it's before or after. But anyways, we went up there and I was so high. There was a ton of girls there and it's just there was 5 dudes and there was probably like 8 girls there.
Oh wow, we show up, me this guy named Lucky and Chance. We ended up playing cards at a table 'cause we were so high we didn't want to talk to anybody, we just wanted to chill and we didn't even talk to each other. We just. Played cards. We're playing Go Fish. That's how fucking tie we were, dude. We couldn't play anything complex. And then we ended up fucking all of us falling asleep on the
couches. And then they're like, and I just barely had this blunt and they go, hey, Jesse, we're going out to the deck. You want to come with us? This is fucking gorgeous home. And I'm like, yeah, sure. And my buddy Chad, who had like super high tolerance for everything. He's just like, where you guys going? Yeah, we're just going to finish this blood. He's like get back in here. So I brought you up here because these girls want to meet a bunch of sailors and like, all right, Roger that.
Go out. Smoke that passed out on the couch of Spinning was just going so fast. You also drinking. Nope, I was just spinning. It was just it. This was. Just a night of smoking. Yeah, just smoking. And then after that I would smoke like these joints at home on the weekends after I'd been on the base all day, you know, throughout the week. And I just smoke a joint. And we'd watch like this Chinese channel.
We had free cable. We don't know where we got it from, but we had it. It was there and we had this Chinese channel and we would all get high and watch it and try to say like anybody guess what these guys are talking about. So we'd make up shit and we're just. Having fun that's Do you think that's how MXC started? Probably a couple of high guys over there going. Watching these Asian like game. Shows but it was fun man, but I had these good experiences with it.
I only really had one bad experience with weed, but now I I just I'm so appreciative of the time that we are in because of the plentiful ideas and products that you have from cannabis is not the old school way. And the quality? Is oh, it's so much better. Yeah, so much better. I do love like when I first got into like actually into cannabis. I don't consider when I first started smoking when I was like 1819. I don't consider that getting
into cannabis. I consider getting into cannabis after I came back into it, after I researched, I started understanding strains, what cannabinoids were, what anything about the endocannabinoid system or, you know, how my body interacts with it, any of that was. And so when I came back into it, I loved the flower at the beginning, but I think it was almost a year or two before even carts came around, 'cause they were. And I didn't get started until the carts came back.
I didn't touch it for. And then finally I came over with a cart and that was like. Yeah, dude, that was that, that would, that changed everything. It was awesome. I loved it. And I still get that high and I can on a daily basis if I want to. I just have to increase my dosage. But it's it's nice now because the idea of using cannabis, like right now, like I have been getting this persistently bad cough, not because I'm sick, it's because my throat's
irritated and. There's also a lot of shit in the air with Oh yeah too. Well, I just need to go to concentrates for a little while. I think concentrates by far are the best. And I'm when I'm talking concentrates, I'm not talking distillates either. Yeah, not pens. We mean like. Dab. Concentrates, you know, live resins, live resins, bat butters, waxes. As intimidating as they sound, they're actually really good for you. Like long term feel, long term relief. Experience.
Yeah, and it and cost effective wise, even though like here in Utah, a gram's gonna go for like 60 to 80 bucks. Yeah. Fucking insane. But even then, like if I was consuming flour compared to that and how much I was, I could easily be going through way more flour than I could concentrate. Oh, gram for gram, 100% yeah, but gram for gram. But at the same time I feel like a concentrate is closer to like maybe 1/4 ounce of flour or maybe half. It depends on the strain.
Right, it really does and and the potency of the strain and that's why I've really enjoyed concentrates for a while. I've got my Phantom honey stick. Check that out. It's a cool one if you want a little portable dab rig in your pocket that doesn't spill. Or if you want the Doctor dabber, which has been my favorite. Dude it's been so nice. I love this thing. I love so still this one is about God. How long have I had this? 5-6 years, maybe the doctor
dabber switch. My battery still works great. I can. This lasts all day long. I can use this all day long without having to charge it. Yeah. And often when I do, like how it's been on this whole time, I'll leave it like that. When I'm having a sash, I'll leave it on for a bit, you know, take a few and then I'll turn it off when I'm done using it for a bit. But normally when I'm using it, it just stays on. Yeah.
And so this has the most incredible battery life out of any device that I've seen or had the opportunity to use. Well you can tell it's it's quality made. Is this a German or is this US? That's a great question. Let's see where Doctor Dabber is. And the reason why I say that German or US because typically they look a little bit more into the longevity and the quality built in products, well, just not all of them, but a lot of them, but as long as they're not.
Cars are fantastic. Or if you look at like stores in pickle, stores in pickle products are fantastic. No, I they're also German. That's super funny you brought up stores in pickle because I've actually been comparison with the air vapes and I love the air vapes. I think it's a great device. I love the the use of the device. However, when you load and reload that thing and then when you have to clean it, you got to clean that thing a lot more than you do with your any of your
stores and pickle products. Those things, they can take a lot a long time with no cleaning. And then when you go to clean it, yeah, you're scraping a little. You might soak in an ISO for like a day, no big deal. But this other one dude I swear I got to clean that thing every week. A. 100% like. Deep clean. I can't just do a surface clean. And the pods get so sticky and the other thing like. It's kind of annoying. It's a better a bittersweet. I love the air vapes for some
reasons. I love the stores and Pickles for others. I like air vapes for like on the go. That's one of my favorites. If I could preload a couple of pods, yeah and then go, that's cool for me. But the even though the the the mighty is so awkward and I can't stand it up, I don't give a shit. I really, really like the flow. I like the flavor and I like the longevity and the battery, dude, I mean, you're going to get like 6 to 8 sessions out of that.
Yeah, it's almost identical to the air vapes. Yeah, they're pretty similar and I'm like, I feel like most of those, even the like the Venti, the Mighty, the air vapes, they're pretty similar. On amount of sessions you get things like that which I've loved. Like the I will say for me if I'm going out, like say I'm going hiking and I brought a vaporizer for me because I use more than like 3-4 bowls, I only have 3-4 of the little things for the air vapes. And if I don't use that, it gets
way dirtier. And if I do use that, then I've got to take them out, try and dump out the little burnt flour in there so I can put new flour in to do more than that because I usually do more than three bowls. Yeah, it's easier to just pop off low. So for me, like if I were, that's where. Those tubes come in really handy. Yeah, I'd bring a tube full of flour and Venti or mighty like
that would be amazing. And the air vapes for me more is like if I were at home, something like that, because it's got that little, you know, I'm, I'm just at home. Yeah, and it, I mean, it's comfortable. It's a lot more comfortable than than the stores in Bickel.
But you know, as far as quality and, and consistency, I really like stores in Bickel. And I, I hate saying that because I was like, Oh, no, I'm going to like air vapes because, you know, it's, it's not the, the premium vaporizer. And you know what, there's a reason why you pay more for it. Well, you build up a resistance to the side effects. And body becomes more acclimated and used to it. It's like metformin. Metformin's really good for your body. It helps promote longevity, a
cellular growth. However, the side effect is gastrointestinal. It just it just hurts your you got. To switch to George Foreman, it's way better for you. Yeah, Metformin, Metformin. OK, Yeah. Well, when you were, yeah, yeah, yeah. So when you were young, I was thinking about this this morning. I was kind of curious, did do you ever do other sports like or was it mostly martial arts? No, I play baseball. I was really good at baseball. OK.
Did you play like football or football or basketball? No, I wasn't very good at basketball. Baseball. I play baseball. Interesting. I got into baseball. My parents wanted me to play in Little League. I sucked first two years of Little League. My third year in Little League I started doing really good. I got asked to be on the All Star team and then I was going to play high school, but then they told me I had to have like a 2O and I'm like, don't tell me what to do you're.
Like fuck that, I don't have energy for this. Dude, I, I enjoyed baseball, but I mean baseball's only fun when you hit the ball and you run. Other than that, it's the most boring 'cause you're just. Standing an outfield, that's all you're going to dugout like you. That's all, you're done. Yeah. But I mean, it was fun and, and I had like, you know, my, my real good friend that just passed Annie. He was an amazing pitcher in high school and he was a sophomore.
He was throwing 100 mile an hour fastballs. Oh wow. Like, I mean, and that was like his basic ball. He was throwing so hard. I remember that the catcher actually, he got like, it's called a boxer's fracture. Where? Fractured his thumb. Yeah, but in between, no, it's, it's called a boxer fracture because it's a separation of the tendon and the muscle that kind of pushes it away and it hurts like crazy. He causes so bad where they had to put padding. In the mid, that's.
Not and it still hurt him. So they would have to switch out catchers in the middle of the game, which is insane. But Danny was such a good ball player. Like even as a kid, like he was playing JV when he was a sophomore, he walked on JV and he just moved from Hawaii. So it was like, it's yeah, it's great. But yeah, I really. Like, do you have really good balance? Me, yeah. OK. I was curious. I'm like, I know you did a lot of martial arts. Like tons martial arts. Yeah, since I was you.
Know about any other sporting things? So I was like, because last night Alec and I went snowboarding and I was just thinking about it and I was sitting there and like, man, I wonder if Jesse has a really good balance. Like I've never really, I don't think we've talked about it. We don't do a lot of balance coordinated things together. So it was just more maybe. That'd be weird if we were like, yeah, come on, Jesse, we're going to do this like shape. You get body paint on, I'll get
body. Paint, I mean like Alec and I go longboarding all the time. So for that like that's balance. Longboardation, things like that. Out of me, you know, So I was just thinking like, well, I don't, I don't know. I know there's coordination, lots of balance within martial arts, but I'm like, I also understand that I wouldn't want to try and Start learning snowboarding at my age and I'm 37.
Like, I can't imagine. Yeah, like wanting to start because snowboarding, I feel like is harder than skiing. You fall down way more than you do when you're skiing. Oh yeah. Because the so skiing is pretty easy. You stand up, you pizza. If you pizza, you will slow down and stop the entire way. You can go down any hill almost just doing a pizza. So it's really simple. As long as you've got leg muscles, you're like, OK, yeah, I can, I can do this.
And then as you get more comfortable, you can slowly let your pizza out, speed up, you know, do that, but with snowboarding. It's just go. Most of the time it's go, but then it's hey, you've got to be comfortable enough to go on your toes or your heels. You've got to go to these positions that feel awkward, feel like you're going to fall if you do them. And instead it's finding the balance of, hey, I'm leaning at this angle, my toes are this angle like.
Much like boarding and skateboarding. And things like that. Yeah, yeah. So just I fell all the time starting, but skiing, I feel like I can even do skiing now and I would be just fine. And the last time I snow skied was in 4th grade, you know? But I water skied several times when we had a boat because my dad loved water skiing and so I grew up learning how to do that too. So I can imagine skiing is not a very a hard 1 when it translates there.
Now I've done water skiing like like you said, like dude getting up on skis is not not as difficult as you think it would. Wake boarding, like snowboarding, that is difficult, especially if you don't have a rig set up like you need a high bar. You're just hooking it to the back. It's pretty fucking hard to get
up on that thing. Wait so my parents boat was a cabin cruiser, it wasn't a wakeboarding boat and so when we'd go and they got a wakeboard finally or even when I was knee boarding and try and I was jumping the wake. Dude, that's so much fun. I loved boating. Knee boarding is so much fun. That's how I got my plastic surgery. I split my eyebrow open. Knee boarding. You fake fucker.
Well, because I went to, I know, well that's, you know, when you go into a job and they're like, tell us something interesting about you. I always go and I'm like, I got plastic surgery and they're like, what? I'm like, yeah, these tits aren't real. And they're like, wait, seriously? And I'm like, no, I cut my head open kneeboarding. But I had to get micro. Like I had to get plastic surgery to fix the nerve and the muscle 'cause it split it in
three different places. And so they were just like, oh, you won't be able to move your eyebrow or have any feeling in it at all unless you get plastic surgery. So but I knee boarding was my favorite. Yeah, knee boarding is fun, dude. I I agree with you, dude. Boating is really fun. Boating is really fun with the right people. Yeah. You know who I don't like Boating with? Family. Really. I don't like boating with family. And the reason why is because
I'm too protective. And all I'm thinking about that something's going to go wrong. I used to love boating with my friends when I lived in Boise. Yeah. And we would go every Wednesday at 3:00. We'd all meet there at the harbor. Yeah. And we get in my buddy Justin's boat, and we would spend the next four or five hours out in the water just wakeboarding. We brought Danny surfboard.
We'd wax that thing and then we get up on the surfboard, like pushing into the into the wax and all that, and you get right up. I've never surfboarded. That's one thing I still have yet to like have an opportunity to do. Once you get, take the opportunity. To do, you know, it's kind of freaky for people. It's how far you go out when you surf and when you're waiting out there to catch that because you're it's it takes a while to get up on the.
Board, I believe it. But it's this stupid, unnerving feeling that there's something underneath you that can eat you. Yeah, that is my fear in the ocean is always the sharks. I've gone snorkeling. I've never gone scuba diving yet, but I've snorkeled in Stingray City out in like the Bahamas. I've snorkeled out in like Mexico and the ocean and stuff. And every time, even though it's gorgeous and there's really cool fish, my mind is thinking of is where is a shark? Where is a shark?
Am I going to get eaten by a shark? Like that's all I can think about. Not funny because the actual like the the the likability of you getting bit by a shark is pretty. Minimal. So small. And if you think about it like there are more people that are like, because everybody's a bunch of you know, it's it's like that. Why are you edible white people? Why are you edible so strong? What are you running from? But it's always white people, white people doing crazy fucking
shit. Like the videos on YouTube of people fucking with sharks. Have you seen that? Oh, dude, it's hilarious because they figured out how to control sharks and they turn these big. Like I saw this woman with a great white coming right for and she just took her hand on his nose. Pushed it down. Moved him around. I have seen that they guide him and stuff and they're like they're.
But I love watching Shark week. So even though I'm terrified of sharks, I love shark Week. That's one of my favorite of the best. Series you learn about it is to don't run from it. Get down in the water and look at it. And you can use your hand too, because it's even with great whites. Well, because bull sharks. They they only go fast when you're going. Fast tiger sharks like all. Of that lemon sharks, bull sharks, those ones are just fucking mean. Oh yeah.
But you know, it's, it's kind of cool. Like, you know, I'm, I'm, I, I've seen a bunch of hammerhead sharks when I was in Bali. This freaked me the fuck out. Like we had to anchor really far out from the island and then we'd have these speed boats that would come up and they would build this janky fucking like platform with like 4 pallets like nailed together on 5450 gallon empty barrel drums. That's it. That's what was our pier. Yeah. So they let the brow down, which
is the walkway, and it's flat. There's no stairs on it. It's just a flat runway. And it's you've been on a ship so you understand what a brow is and you're coming down and then you're going right onto a fucking pallets that you can see through. Because I feel like, Oh no, it's. It doesn't weigh that much though. No, I mean it it. It would be fine. But it's it's the fact that we're on the Indian Ocean. That's insane though. And then you look down between the slats.
Dude, no fucking joke. Hammer heads just swirling around. Yeah, that would be terrifying. But The thing is, is they're thinking that it's fish. They're thinking it's people. Yeah. So they're like, oh, cool, they're going to feed us. And all we're thinking is fuck, they're going to eat us. And they're like, no, do you bring some of that like fucked up stuff? You bring all your garbage, we'll eat that shit. And it's, it's just, it's fucking crazy. Have you ever swam with the
sharks? No, I know my SO, Thomas and my mom went on some cruise somewhere and they did that. They went scuba diving. The sharks where you go and you sit down on the center, like on the ocean floor. Oh yeah, and they go around you and they. Feed the sharks around you and you just sit there and they're like don't move where you might get bit, but like just sit there. And I haven't done that that
because I'm not scuba certified. But I did do The Walking with the sharks in the Shark Tank at the Atlantis Hotel in the Bahamas. Was it cool? That was the most incredible thing. They're 678 foot long sharks and you're walking around this tank and they are swimming right past you just and you're, you just walk around the whole tank and they're just swimming past you
the whole time. And it's insane, 'cause I, they're like, don't touch them, like don't touch them, but they're close enough that I could reach out. And like, it was. That's crazy. But it was so cool because I still love pushing my boundaries of what I'm terrified of. I'm afraid of heights, but I still want to go skydiving one day. Yeah, yeah. Terrified. I'd love to do that. Sharks. I'm still terrified of sharks, but I want to go scuba diving
with sharks sometime. I need to get scuba certified and go to a place to do that. Like that's something. How you still spiders? I don't like spiders. There's nothing. Used to not like them. I don't I don't think I'd want to hold 1 though. Like I, I don't like snakes. I really don't like snakes, but I've held like a giant boa on my shoulders just to say that I did because I'm like, all right, I'm going to do it. Yes, I'm going to like because I like to push myself.
Like I know that my fears aren't always grounded in in like. Reality. Yeah, it's just like every, everyone has fears and I understand that and that's OK. And not everyone has to push their fears. But I like to, I like to like when I rock climbed and climbed over the edge of a Cliff that was 160 feet high, that was fucking terrifying. And it was because normally, normally you walk over the edge and you walk backwards and that because you can delay. When you.
Go. Yeah, but this, because of where it was mounted, was like this far from the edge of the Cliff and you couldn't walk over. You had to hold your rope because it's too far of a Cliff to have anyone belay you. So then you just hook it around your carabiner. But then you have to like, climb over the edge of the Cliff while holding your rope. And for someone who's terrified of heights? Yeah, you're shaking the whole.
Time. I was so horrified until I got over the edge and I was sitting on the carabiner and just like resting like I would if I was repelling, then I'm like, this is fine. This is like repelling and I've done that just on 2030 foot cliffs that were, you know, someone's bullying me it below. I climb up and then I, you know, whatever. That's very different than doing my own where I've never done that before. And it was like Curtis is sitting there.
He's like, all right, you got to climb over the edge here and I'm like, OK, I'm like what the like, why in the hell am I doing this like this? And I'm literally like shaking. I'm terrified. Like, no, it's, it's fine, but it's that, you know, wanting to. Just kid it getting past it. I know, and it's it's like spiders, like I used to be freaked out by him. I don't want it on me, but at the same time I'm not going to freak out. I don't go. I never.
Freak out about them. I just think they're gross and I have no desire to like pet one, hold one. If I see it, I'm not going to like, you know, try and pet it or anything. You know, I'm just one of the ones who's like gross, that's in my house. I'm probably going to kill it or, you know, if it's outside, I'm just going to go away. Do you remember Provo? You ever seen those? I don't know if you guys got them Tier 2, but they're these like centipedes with the really
long legs. Maybe in your house? Not in our house. Yeah, the legs are like this high, the centipedes down there, and it moves. And if you see them in your house, leave them alone. Are they the poisonous ones? No, they eat spiders. They eat all of their insects and they're fast. So when we used to have them in Provo, we were like, oh, we got to get them out and then we found out what they were and we're like, I'll just leave them alone. And they would eat all of the spiders.
Interesting. And I it's just an spiders are annoying, especially the bites in the morning. Yeah, like what the fuck? Why'd you bite me? Like, oh, you twitched. Yeah, right. Fucking idiot. I know. I hate that too, because it's random and I'm like, I don't, yeah. So I've never enjoyed spiders. I've never had creepy crawly things like that. Yeah, they're just not that. I'm like terrified of them, but I don't. We just don't enjoy them.
No, they give me like weird, like I don't want to hold them, I don't want to touch them. I have a healthy fear of heights, but it it's not debilitating like if I need to get up somewhere, I'll do it. Oh yeah, I. Have no problem doing. That I grew up doing instruction, so I've been on tons of roofs. I've even fallen off roofs and I still have no problem climbing up on a roof. I've fallen off a roof. But yet it's, it's a different, like I'm wary, you know, I try
to be cautious. With I get the more wary. I'm more intentional with my foot plant, like I, you know, versus when I was 12/14. I'm running up this stuff. Yeah, way different. Jumping off stuff. Yeah. And now I'm like, OK, no, I got to be way more careful with what I'm doing. I feel I am pretty damn nimble, surprisingly.
I feel like for my age, I still like when we go hiking and stuff, I'll do like trail running sometimes where I jump off like because I I'm pretty small, like I'm pretty light. And so even though I don't run or do these things, I feel like I'm pretty nimble and active or like I have decent balance. But that probably came from like doing sports and dancing for 10
years long time. I don't know, like there's, there's all these things that I think just help us and gosh, I, I just worry about it, 'cause Grandpa Holt, he fell a lot as he got older. My mom, she's fallen several times, but I think hers stemmed from her scooter accident that when she did, she had to wear like a brace and then a leg brace for a bit. And then it was snowing after when she was wearing it and she slipped on the ice and then she
had two leg braces on 4A bit. And I was like, Oh my God. And she had one hand bombed and that. And I was like, OK, just that was when I first met Emily because Emily was like, I used to go down and help my mom every Sunday, help cook dinner for her and stuff. And Emily was just surprised because I'd always be like, Oh yeah, I got to go help my mom and got to go do this and so. Dude. I don't know, it makes me worry because I feel like my mom was a gymnast.
She was a dancer for 1020 years. And so I always worry. Oh, shit, like was grandpa coordinated? Was, you know, is she coordinated? Am I going to be falling in 10-15 years? You know, like so it's definitely something I think about If like, oh shit, I hope I don't want to get old.
I really don't want to get old. I mean, a lot of it comes down to you know, what, what you're doing, if you're keeping active and, and all those things and you know, really good things, especially when I talk, I, I press on you so hard to resistance training is super important for your bone structure. And I feel like I've been pushing myself a lot more lately and a lot of my aches and pains have been going away because I've been pushing.
It's a little bit more the bone density, the tendons are, are stronger. The muscles are starting to feel better with that. So that's why it's just like, man, you know, the best cure for pain is to work out. Is to grow your muscles and support it better. Skeletal system, yeah. And that's. Because that's, that's what I've thought about. And I was like, you know what, it's crazy.
But when I went through my motorcycle accident, you know, one thing I think the doctor never told me to do create a workout, but like create an actual workout to help support the muscles around my bone structure that needed that. Yeah, a lot of people don't talk about that would have been, that would have been the best, most beneficial thing that I could have started then to help support my back through these
years. And I thought about it, I'm like, damn, instead of like all these years because I'm like, I was motorcycle riding and I would go out for hours and hours and that's great. But that doesn't give me and I'm all thinking, well, I'm using core muscles to sit up. So that's great because that's but no, I'm not strengthening or doing anything to grow them. And so I'm like, so really all
that does is just add strain. But if instead it was like, hey, I'd go work out and do these to build it, then I could have enjoyed my motorcycle riding more instead of going, fuck, I keep hurting more and more and more and more. And instead of building, you know, a structure going, hey, I'm going to implement this. You know, kind of like talking to my mom today where she's like, oh, I've got all of these boxes of documents in my office that I have to go through and do
this. And it seems so overwhelming. We'll just do 30 minutes. Do that until you have a habit. And it doesn't seem so overwhelming. I don't have to build all this muscle today. I just have to start doing the small steps that will help and you know cuz it's been never exercises for 10 years. My back would be better. No, wouldn't be perfect, but I would feel a lot better. Yeah, you'd feel way different. That's it's the hard part too man, cuz it's so easy to fall
off that wagon. Like 2 weeks dude and you could notice a significant difference in how you look and feel if you don't go and or if you don't aren't committing to it a lot of people will supplement it like oh I go walking like that's not resistance. No, that's just you moving. Yeah, which is good. If you are a person who doesn't
move, that's at least a start. You know, that's your 30 minutes of getting you into it. And maybe once you have a good consistent habit of that, you can take that 30 minute habit instead of walking well maybe once or twice a week you incorporate like intensive some more workouts in it.
Well, and the argument could be, you know, well, Jess, I run a lot like, well, that's actually counter productive too, because if you run too much, it's actually it starts to, it starts to be catabolic where it starts to eat the muscles and the bones and stuff like that. You know, when you stress your heart like that, a lot of times runners and like triathletes, they have bad hearts later on because they stress it so much.
They push their bodies so much. And it's the same reason why giant bodybuilders have triple bypasses when they're 40. It's because they've gotten so big that their body requires more blood flow, more oxygen to run it. Same same skeletal system, same organs, but you've made the outside bigger. Yeah, you've made the mask more than it was designed to support, and so now you're having to create something different to try and support what you've
changed. Right. Yeah. And it's good to be able to put in resistance training because it works the body different. It forces your body to work harder than you normally would, and it's not forever, so it's nice. And it doesn't have to be like you can do it in 30-40 minutes tops if you really want to go crazy. Maybe you've eaten inevitable edible, I don't know, could have happened to me. But go to the gym and you're just like, you know what, I'm going to stay here for a while.
It was like a leg day and I had like probably 35 milligrams of an edible. And then I puffed on a pen on the way over. And then I get there, I start squatting and then before you know it, dude, it kicks in about second set because I'm putting my body through a lot of stress. And it kicks in right when I'm racking the weight. Yeah, I felt like I could keep going, dude. I fucked my legs up for a week dude.
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