I'm Brandon. And I'm Jesse, we're cannabis school. Having cannabis infused conversations. With everyday people. Cannabis companies. Celebrities. And your mom? Welcome to the sesh. Oh my God, the first flower of the day is warming up right now. Jesse comes wedding in through the grass. So kids, what's up? We're going to talk about something extremely serious right now, and that is video games. Brandon what?
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No, But yeah, video games, like, you know, a lot of people get shit for playing video games when they're like my age and your age. But you know, it's something we kind of grew up with anyways. Kind of. But yes, you know, I realized I was thinking about it the other day and I'm like, even though we never had a console till freshman year of high school, I still played computer games before then. Oh yeah, We still had all sorts of games on our computers. And I had a computer when I was
2-3 years old. So we were playing computers on the old DOS or games on the old DOS ones. And then after that, like on the whatever came before Windows 95 and stuff, but then on all of those systems and that, you know, I remember playing lots of racing games. A lot of I used to do rally racing. And then there was another one that was later and you drove through like San Francisco, they had an Audi TT, they had other stuff. It was a blast there.
We used to play that one for a while and I was like, hi, it was interesting because I, for the longest time I've played racing games. And then we had a little bit of doom and, you know, I God, we played a tiny bit of Minecraft Warcraft, not World of Warcraft, but like. No, no, like the the RTS, Yeah, the real time strategy. Games like they had with StarCraft, because my parents had got that in a disk set or something and so played that
back in the day. I think we had Civilization, I think that was one on PC. So we surprisingly played a lot more PC ones. We even had an air flight simulator with a joystick at some point. Jeez, that's funny because when you're going back there like I date you, like I remember when my dad bought an Atari at the at a yard sale and he hooked it up to the TV and in the back of the TV had these two little screws and you could pull pull them out a little bit. And then you would screw in this
connector, right? And that connector would go directly to the Atari. And then you had one button and one joystick. That's it. And did I remember like the most frustrating game ever is called ET on there. It was dumb. But then you had like, you know, like a jungle game where he was dude, and it's the stick. And they had a Ghostbusters game. And man, when I was a kid, I was blown away. I kind of feel like I'm talking like Grandpa Ivan Wood when he's like, and then the transistor
radio come out and. Right. We were blown away and the automobile was fucking. Hot. You had to crank it to get there and started right. And you're like, why are you talking like that? Like, I don't know, but it was southern Utah. Yeah, yeah, exactly. But it was just like crazy thing when the games that. And The funny thing is my dad, my dad's like you can't play it too long. You can't play it too long. I'm like, well, why? And he goes because he will burn
the TV and I'm like, what? And he was kind of trying to tell me like it could burn the image into the TV, which never got proved. It was just something you. Always tell me that. And I was like, that was weird. My dad, so my my parents would when we got a you're never allowed to play for a long time. And then we got a console, and it was like, you can play an hour a day on Fridays if your schoolwork's been done, and Saturdays, but that's it after,
like, chores. And that would be the only time you could play it. You couldn't be in the room if your siblings were playing it because, well, then that would be the same as you playing it. So it was more of like, yeah. It was more of like, yeah, we don't want you spending a lot of time doing this. We'd rather have you reading, playing a sport, doing something, you know, playing the piano, learning an instrument. Totally didn't want us doing
that. So. But my dad would always go, oh, I can't be in the room with it, It makes me nauseous. What are you talking about? It makes you nauseous. You can watch TV. You can watch movies just fine. You can watch cartoons just fine. But watching a video game makes you nauseous? Yeah. It's like the refresh rate or something. Oh, OK. Cocaine's a hell of a drug, huh? Like. Well, no man, if you think back like do you remember the old rear projection big screen TV's
like it's. Just we never had that big of one. No, we. We. I do remember him, my grandpa. When my parents got divorced, first thing my dad bought was a big screen TV. I mean you see, they got they got happier and a pig and shit. He was just like was like cool. But it was always weird like when the new TV started to come out from that rear projection because it was almost the exact
same as the tube, right? But when these new TV started coming out, dude, they fucked with my eyes because it was just the refresher. It was so fat. It was so much faster because it wasn't a tube, It wasn't an image being, it was like, you know, all of these like pixels and stuff. So it took a while for the eyes to get kind of used to it. And then they went away. And now I don't even notice that. Like I used to get that when I'd go like into like a Sam's Club
or a Costco back in the day. They'd always had the big ass TV's, but it's so crazy dude, that hearing that because it's always just like weird myths. My dad had to like, Oh yeah, we had an we got a Nintendo much later on. Like it was way later and my dad finally caved in and he went to another pawn shop and got us a Nintendo and couple games. And dude, I was so excited. Now if I went back and played those games, I'd be bored as shit on most of them.
I'd be like that's how it is. Except the Castlevania games. I still play those. I I played the old ones, I play the new ones. I love those games, but the I. Never got into side scrollers. They were, well, I take that back. There was one that was like. Super gay. No, it was an. Awesome one. My parents didn't get that one. It was literally called like jump Jack rabbit or something and you run around with guns and stuff and shoot and Add all this stuff. But you do like side scrolling
and that that one. But I was like maybe 4th or 5th grade. It's been ages. No, I didn't my parents hated video games. The funny thing is is that later on in life I actually got into them not on my own. My wife now when we were dating, she thought be cool, buy me a PlayStation two because that's what was out and she's like, she got me that and this cool headset so I could talk to these pixelated Navy Seals on the on the TV. And I love that game dude. It was awesome. It was so much fun.
And then. Is that so calm? Yeah, that was so calm. OK, Yeah, that was a. Scope, I love that game, but I became obsessed where she would come over after work and I would play video games and she'd fall asleep in my bed and then it'd be like 1:00 or 2:00 at night and she's like, hey, I'm gonna go back to my place because she's still living with her folks at the time. And so I was like, yeah, no problem, let me take you home. And that was like a common thing.
And she's like, oh, I regret getting this for you. And I became obsessed with video games. And then I got rid of it when my first was born because I didn't want to lose my wife. And then after that, it's like 3 or 4 years later, I got a system again and I was better. I, I'm still good with it. I don't, I don't make it a problem. It's fun. I don't understand the problem that comes with it. I can understand the obsession like how we got obsessed with
Gran Turismo like. I still love that game. Yeah, Oh yeah, It's still installed. It's like Ghost Recon with us. Like we come back to Wildlands all the time and I don't know why. Good games like I, I always sit down. I'm like God, what do I play? But often times, especially now, like when I have something that my mind wants to do, most of the
time it's not gaming. Then every once in a while, like the other day when I was just on an e-mail rampage, I was like, you know, I've scheduled out 400 something emails today. I I think I can take a break and go race for like an hour. That should be fine. It was like, I go pick up Addie in a bit. I still have time. Yeah, it's the middle of the day, but like, I've done a lot of shit right now. So, you know, I went sat down and raced for like 45 minutes because I was like, fuck it, you
know, I have the time. And, and it's choosing that, Hey, I'm going to take some me time and do this right now. And, and for me, especially when it's if I feel like I get enough accomplished during the day when Emily's still at work, Addie's at school, that's time that I don't have to feel like I'm taking time away from time I could be giving them or
something else later in the day. And I can still take that time for me and find time for me that I might not feel or feel guilty if I'm trying to take later when it's like, oh, well, you know, instead of hanging out with my partner or my child, I'm choosing to go and do that when I did have the chance, you know,
some time to do it earlier. And so when I do have that, I love taking it when I feel like I've got enough done and I can do that because otherwise then I just feel like I'm slacking off. So. I could give 2 shits and, and usually why is because I don't play until later. I don't play during the daytime. I don't play in the morning. I don't, I don't and it, and I sometimes I don't play at all because I'm like, but you know, I'll ask, I always ask my wife.
I'm like, Hey, you know, what do you want to do tonight? You know, and she'll be like, I don't know. She's like, I just kind of want to read right now. I'm like, sounds good. So then that's my free pass and I'll bring the PlayStation into my room and I'll play on in front of the TV and that's it. I mean, it's not a big deal, but if ever she's just like, hey, you want to hang out tonight? Done. Yeah, one of my kids is like, you know, they've got stuff going on.
Like I wouldn't be like, hey, hold on a second. Like I can't like, let me finish this part. Like I'm like, I could do this later. That's why I like the Switch. I've got my Switch and I've got all the Castlevania games on that. And I love playing that because I could play for a little bit and then I'm like, yeah, I'm gonna put it down. But it doesn't always feel like it's, it's pulling me in and
I've got friends like that. I don't know if you've got friends like that where they could like game for like 8-9 hours. Probably do, but we just, we're probably just not super close anymore. You know, I one of the things it's like you're probably a what is it not a factor, but you're there. You have a lot of similarities between the five people that you hang out with the most. And I just, I, I'm sure I have friends that game all the time, but I just, I don't talk to them
all the time. Those aren't usually the ones that I'm engaging with, you know, curious about that because, well, things that are interesting to me aren't constantly playing, talking about video games. You know, I can do it some and it's interesting to a, to an extent, but then my mind after a little bit I'm like, all right, well, I feel like I've been doing this a while.
I should, I should go do something else and my mind gets bored playing the game because it's like, Hey, I've, I've done this, It's been, you know, it's been a couple hours. Like I, I'm probably good, right? But it's different. Like when I was younger, I used to, I remember having Halo parties and stuff and we'd play
for several hours. I'd feel like, but that wasn't just me usually doing it. That was a whole group of people all in the same rooms because well, back then you could just do LAN parties and have 3-4 consoles in the house. And you know at my parents house it was like one in the loft, one in the main room, 1 down in the basement. And we've ran three different ones and we got 12 different people there gaming. So that one was a little different. We do that or go to a friend's
house and do the same thing. But that's been God 19 years so I haven't had as much. I try not to put the video games into like a reward for me because then I feel like I'm doing stuff just to be able to feel justified to do that. You know, a lot of a lot of people will say, well, it's a waste of time. Well, it's my time and I'll spend it the way I like. And that's where my rebuttal is,
every single time. I was raised with having you had to do all of these things before you could play, hang out with, yeah, do any of that. So for me, that's just so ingrained, I think that it's like, plus usually when I wake up, that's what I'm working. Like I'm working on something in the first bit anyway, because that's when I'm usually more productive. And yeah, I can do stuff in the day later too and get stuff done. But I feel like the best times for me are first things in the
morning. So if I just knock out a bunch of stuff, I usually can just get a ton of shit done. And then it, you know, doesn't really feel like it's much. So I can like half the time I feel like I would bust out the entire day as a worth of work before lunch. So actually that's how it's been for many jobs because even when we were at my fast, it would be like, all right, cool. Well, I hit sales quota by lunch or I hit sales quota before
lunch. And so to, you know, then it was like, all right, then I can half ass it from lunch on and still beat everyone because, well, I already hit quota by lunch, meaning I could do hardly any work and still pass it. So that's how it's often been, I felt like. So most of my time it's like, well, if I work really hard for what, 4 hours maybe I've done what most people have done in eight hours, I feel like. And that's just because I get focused and get it done. It's like going to work.
And I see the people who, well, half the time they spend talking around the water cooler and all this other stuff. And I'm like, all right, well that's why you're like, you're 4 hours of work takes you 8 hours because you're doing that. But if you could just bust it out and not have to be there and not have to do that, like rededicate your time to something better. Yeah, but a lot of people don't think that way because a lot of people are just like, fuck this
job. I don't even care about it. They don't care about me and so. Why? Why should I work hard? And that's the thing like I think that concept of working hard is different now because when I grew up with it and you had construction background with your dad and they're it's that's hard work. Blue collar work is hard work, hours on end. Like if you're putting in insulation, you're running cable over there, you're putting in a sewer system.
Like that's fucking work and. Well, in like my dad's 60 and we did the hike with him where he was putting Alec and I to shame and we're in our 30s and I'm going fuck like, but that's how he worked. So that was how work was. It was like, yeah, I know you just go and get shit done. Like you're productive, you're focused, you get a lot done in a in a good amount of time and that's just how it's always been because that's that's what I grew up doing so.
Yeah, but The funny thing is, it's like, you know how video games are today, where people see it as an inefficiency of time, and yet you see it being one of the number one producing entertainment platforms out there. It beats movies to death. I think it's just. That's probably why is because it's taken so much time from
generations that are. The older generations just see it as well, you're wasting time, but that time they could be wasting doing whatever it is. It's just not a video game. And because they don't respect that or see that as a valuable time spent, that's like anyone, you know, there's so many people are like, oh, wait, you're doing that. Like, yeah, who the fuck cares? Oh, you take time to sit down and smoke weed. Yeah. Like it's all these things of just.
People, you forget about that. I'm sure I don't know. You think I'm listening? I have no idea. Well, no, but I mean it's. I'm like, wait, hold on, are you talking? Let me load a bowl. Hang on, let's see. All right, finish that sentence and let me let me finish loading this ball here.
I I just look at it too, where, you know, we it can become an issue, but anything can become an issue, whether it's, you know, online gambling or fucking going broke pain for this only fans girl that's finally going to see the light and say, you know what, I'm going to lead this life and you're going to take care of me, Papa like. It's all I ever needed.
Yeah, it's all bullshit, right? I don't think anybody should be ashamed of being able to do it. It just becomes, when it becomes a problem for you, I think that judgement that comes a lot from other people. My own opinion is you need to turn that and roll it up and shove it up your ass because that's your opinion and you don't realize how much you impact that person by trying to do that like.
Probably like cannabis use or something, you know, it's, it's good to re evaluate your relationship with things and that's probably healthy with everything in life. You know, whoa, what is my about relationship with the gym? What is my relationship with sleep? What is my relationship with like how I eat? What is my relationship with like actually myself and I, you know, I don't think that's bad or unhealthy because all of that
might change at times. You know, even for me, I noticed that my gaming is more seasonal, that it changes more through the seasons as it gets colder and I have less desire to be outside. Well, and it's cold as shit. I'm probably more likely to play a game because I don't want to be out in 20 below like 20°
weather. Yeah, no, I'm saying, I mean, during the summertime, the springtime, like I'm out, I'm engaging with people, I'm going to networking events, I'm working with clients face to face. I enjoyed that. I'm not like if somebody's like, dude, let's get together, let's play this video game today like it's launch day. We all took the day off. I'm like, play that shit. Later. Never done that. Nope, I I'm not obsessed with, I like games. I'm not obsessed with games.
I've got a lot of games still not obsessed with them. I I think they're fun. There are some games where I'll get into one. I'm like, this is cool. It's got a good story. But other ones, if I could turn off and on, I'm cool. That doesn't bother me at all. It doesn't become my focus. Have I spent a lot of money on it over the years? Yeah, I spent a lot of money, but I don't care. Like again, that's gone. It's a hobby though. It's just like any other hobby.
Yeah, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a vice. You know, if somebody's going to give me shit about playing video games, yes. But yeah, they have to have a certain type of chocolate covered pretzel at all times in their pantry. I mean, like, yeah, but that shit makes you fat. I'm just sitting here chilling out. Let my life just kind of calm down because. I think that's one of the weird things that I look about cannabis, not cannabis, but
cannabis is amazing. But I'd say video games, like we live in such a digitized world, yet a lot of people use it to decompress. They use another digitized product to be able to help them relieve anxiety because it really does it. It just pulls you away from that issue, which isn't good to run away from your problems
necessarily. But at the same time, isn't it kind of nice to just fucking not worry about shit and just play something and get amazingly high during that time and just have fun because you're having fun with your friend? Like we can sometimes play for a couple hours, that's rare, but sometimes we do and we're having a blast. And then we go, that's what is it.
It's when we're racing sometimes or when we're really into wild lands and we're trying to do these missions and go in on these runs and, and we just get in a, a zone of like 1 mission to the next to the next versus like I, you might find that flow with Insurgency, but I think that I just die and suck too much on that one that I don't like. It's fun and I have a blast, but I don't find the same flow in that one that I do in the like racing or in wildlands.
No, no. And I think for me, it's just the realism that I really enjoy of it and I've gotten really good at it, but not because I'm like dedicated. I just enjoy it. I've always enjoyed those games and I've always been pretty. Good at them. Also put in a fuck ton of time to insurgency. Over the years, yeah, yeah, there's a lot of time in there, dude. That's like 2 years of time and I've got close to probably over 1000 hours into that game.
Yeah, holy shit. But I would play it for like a match or two a day and then just put it down. But I would do it pretty frequently. And then I took like a big long break from it and I came back and I, I still play it to this day. I, I have a lot of fun play. I meet a lot of fans on Insurgency or I meet new fans on Insurgency because I'm like bro, what you smoking? Because you've got the funniest names on there, like 420 Batman or you know. Doctor dabs or like. All these games.
Like something 4:20 and you're like all. Right dude, it's so funny man. It just going hey bro what you smoking on you like? What? Or you literally hear them coughing it out in the back? Yeah. All right. Yeah. I've heard a bong once or twice so I'm just like yes I can hang with those guys. I cannot play with the COD guys. It is toxic non-stop shit talking. And it's they just like that. You're such a cock and yeah, that stupid shit.
Insurgency so fast-paced and so intense that you can't think to say shit racing, dude, when we play Gran Turismo, we especially when it's a yeah, we just like and I'm like right behind you or you're right behind me and it's. Always that I think I breathe that whole last lap and 1/2. Yeah, I'm just like, but it's, it's immersive. It's just fun. And I think about that like, you know, until that movie Gran Turismo came out, I was like, there's no way you could use
this as a trainer for the boat. Well, fuck me, you can. And that was like an older one. Now the new steering wheels, like dude, we want to get one of those steering wheels so bad. Like we played my. Mom has driven one of those. Oh yeah. They had one at a convention thing she was at for some. I didn't even remember what it was. And she drove it in there. I was like, that's insane. How was it? She's like, it was cool. It was fast. It felt like driving a car that's fast.
Yeah. I mean, dude, it's so sophisticated now and that's what I love about it because you know, 1 I don't have any money to go spend on like go and get Turo Lamborghini and race around it out. Plus I can't go that fast. So it's it's cool to do that, but it it's cool to know that there's a correlation between like the memory and your body and the memories I get like there was this, there is this product was years ago.
This is probably shit over just like 7-8 years ago, but there was a product at the time where you use this headset and sounds and this is like it was a step up from like sound wave therapy
and shit like that. And they did this thing with athletes where one would train physically in like a race or some calisthenics or some of that, and then the other one would only get instructions and wear the headpiece and that's it. So for two weeks, they trained on the same thing, yet in different ways where the person who was getting it through sound waves and instruction and all that stuff, they actually perform better than the person
who had been physically training during that time because they both knew how to do it. But one of them was just like, I'm going to get better. But the other one did better because their mind was able to go in that place. And that makes sense because like, you know when you hear it, like you watch some special on YouTube because you get in a rabbit hole and you're first looking up like election stuff and then you're thinking about a recipe.
And then all of a sudden you find yourself in this fucking black hole of like, how do I do these things? Or what's this about out? And then you go forever, right? Fuck, what was I talking about right there? YouTube rabbit holes. No, before that. Sound the. Oh yeah, so but Navy Seals, they tend to go and like, who are the people that graduate those classes? They're not big giant buff guys,
I'll tell you that. Oh no. Now they're average looking dudes are fit, but they're not like bodybuilders or. They're like, they're like a hyper athlete, but a hyper athlete isn't the ones who are crazy big ripped and stuff. Well, it's all mental, man, because they're torturing you for for a good chunk of the first part of training and it's just constant. And the reason why they're doing it is to get you used to the suck because it's going to be constant when you're out there.
So after a while you just kind of go out whatever. But most of the guys will be there. They're just like, just keep going, just keep going, just keep going, just keep going, just keep going. They don't, they don't say anything like that. But that's what the difference is with like training your mind is just as important. Like dude, no joke. From all the insurgency, you know, I've been playing, I went and shotguns with some friends and dude, I let that shit up.
I was doing pretty good and I was like, wow. But because there's no reticle or anything like that at an Insurgency, you have to like actually aim down the sights. Kind of cool. But it it's just that I I like video games for that point. But here's the problem I have with them. When you become obsessed and start yelling at your TV. Throwing your controller or understand that freaking out at your people around about it.
It's like it's, it's a game, you know, and if it's your living and that's how you react to. You lucked out. Yeah, but. Lucked out, but it's like that one guy did you hear about There was a video, I don't know if it was fake or not, but it was this dude. He was like a Madden online player. Like he was on an actual team and they went and played other professional teams online. Well, I don't know what he did to his girlfriend, but she deleted all of his saved data.
Oh my gosh, it's like that you sent me an interrogation video of like cops and they bring in it's like oh, was this you? No, no, that's not me. When they bring in this PS 50 is this is this data? No, no, that's not my oh so you wouldn't care if we just like deleted this 120 or like however many hours worth it looks Oh, you've got like these special skins. Oh, and he's like. What do you have to do to get those skins? And she goes click. He goes, no, but see to me be.
No, I don't. I've never been there. I I would just go, that sucks. Yeah, well, I can play it again if I really want to. And I've come to those points where I've like, I remember Skyrim when that came out and your brother and I played that a lot. And I got so far into at the time I thought it was like I was like 300 plus hours. I played it all through college. It was awesome because I actually did really good in college when I played that every night. When I stopped I was like 1 semester.
I'm like, I'm not playing this anymore man. I this is a waste of my time. My grade point average, I normally rock a 3.75. I went all the way to a 275 as a full point difference. That's insane. My wife's like what happened? I'm like, I stopped playing video games. She's like start playing them again. Did went back up because I was able to just like push it out and that was like a stress reliever to me. Because otherwise that's all that's on your mind. And you don't.
Yeah. But I had video games on my mind because it was allowing me to go to school full time. Had four kids under 5 at my home, my wifes raising them. I got this full time shitty job and I'm going I got 12 credit hours at UVU. Like whenever I used to complain when I was younger like when I was 21 and my daddy's like go to college. I'm like I don't have time. It's a good job and I've got drinking and I've got talking to friends about drinking on the weekend and like, what the fuck?
I don't got anything. I was just like, I got nothing. And then when I'm married and I got all this responsibility and going, yeah, why don't you fucking take school too? Oh, full time. Fuck, yeah. What's so you could get your grant money and and that's all you did it for? And that was the cool thing is that it allowed me to just go. I can let go and got wrapped up in this world and it was OK. It got me through it. Did it help my wife? Probably not, probably not.
She probably hated that fucking thing. But now I have a healthy relationship with video games. Like if I go without, like if Brandon's like, dude, let's go camping for a week with no electronics, I'd be like, bet, how are we getting a hold of the family if anything goes wrong? But then you think about it like back in the day, you just found out and you got back. And I'm trying to do that more of of distancing myself at that one. But it's it's a gradual thing. I like.
I'm not like. You I can't go when I don't have service, but I like to let now, I like to let people know. After I got divorced and my kids were out of state, I would go on motorcycle rides for the entire day. Half of it would be out in no cell service areas like and no one would have any idea where I was at. No one would have any clue where I had gone. It was just like I needed to go because for me that was therapy and I felt like 8 hours of therapy was what I needed that
day. So that's what I went and got. And that was everywhere and anywhere. And you know, because at that point my kids didn't have their own phones and their mom didn't answer all the time. So it was like, I, I mean, understandable, but like I, it's hard to connect and talk to my kids all the time. They're not calling me all the time because they didn't have phones and they were super little. And so it was just like that stage and time in my life.
But now and that's, you know, through that time, I've really learned to love nature a lot more again and like love being out there and away from stuff because it was peaceful and it was like the world could disappear. All the stress, all the bullshit, kind of like your video games, you know, where you could go in and all the other garbage of school or life would disappear and you could just be there for a bit. So we've talked a little bit
about that one. I want to go and kind of like, you know, as we're we're going out, what's something that eats your time, that is productive and it does enhance you that you would say you spend more time doing that than you do in well, not luxury leisure, leisure activities like playing video games, listen to music, stuff like that.
Honestly, I mean, I would say a lot of our discussions and then that stems a lot of ideas, which stems a lot of work, which, you know, it's yeah, I think it's, it's great because it's why we have what we have today, you know, and, and how we have these fantastic visions for these next stages of, of cannabis school of the sesh of like everything that we're just so fucking excited for. Yeah. It's like seeing how everything is going. I think that is my most productive, not waste of time.
That's not leisure that I actually spend majority of my time in. Yep, I'd say the same thing. I'd say coming up with those things and then also like, you know, one of my passions is definitely helping people understand one another. Still trying to figure out where that fits. And I'm more or less kind of landed on I'm like more of a consultant for consultants and helping them to be able to communicate better.
Because it was like I was telling you, like I, I was working with these clients and their fucking sales went through the roof. And I'm like, fuck, why can't I do that? Like, and, and I can, I just, I, I can't see myself before I got to this stage and I've invested so much time into learning this kind of stuff because I've discovered a new me from there. And it's, it's been awesome.
And no way of shape or form do I think I'm some fucking philosopher that's going to go over there and tell you how you should run your life. Fuck, I don't know. I'm not doing the same thing. And that's why I can't stand it with a lot of those like guru areas. I used to be addicted to self help. Like I love to get a new book. Like yes I learn this, I think it's going to pull me out of my shitty life and never worked. Make my life better, make me more money, make me a better
salesman, make me whatever. And it was like, Nope, never worked. I mean, I've pulled Nuggets that I've found have been totally over the years, but like how many books have we read to get a handful of Nuggets? Well, and that's where I started to looking at books as more textbooks when I was through this last consulting gig that I did. And I, I absolutely like dude, like if no matter what time, if it's about consumer psychology,
I'll read a book. Like I have the hardest time finishing Dune because I'm always thinking of like, no, I want to read this. But when it comes to reading, I have to if it's not teaching me something or if I'm not being more aware of something. It's hard. Bored. I love to learn, like that's what most of my reading is. And so like entertainment reading is like, that's what I did so much growing up. Yeah, me too. Like, I didn't even remember we were watching a movie or something.
And it was like I was talking about Gone with the Wind. And I was like, that was my second grade book report. And Emily was like, what? And I was like, yeah, I read Gone With the Wind in second grade. And that was my what I did my book report on. But I it's because we've read endlessly and it was just for entertainment. None of it was actually learning. And so now, like I, I love
stories. I love a good story, but I find that there's a handful of really good stories and then there's a bunch of really half assed written shit. And my mind really loves the good story, whether it's a movie, a book, a game. Like that's what I want to be drawn in. That's what I get. Drawn in here. Yeah, 'cause otherwise my mind's like I'm bored. Yeah, short chapters not. Really, I can be a speech. Expanded stuff. So that part I'm like, OK, well, how is it not good yet?
Like alright, I'm done. Like that's, that was boring. I I don't wanna read that because like alright, well, how far am I into this book? Alright, well, I have dedicated an hour, two hours. I'm how far into this book does that put me? OK, and it's not interesting enough. Like that's when I struggled. Dune was fine. I read the first 3, but that was because I was forcing myself to get away from my learning. I was like, hey, I have been doing only this and I need to
just step away from this. I need. It was a good time for you, yeah. And I was like, OK, so I read those and it was fantastic. And I thought about it and I was like, you know, I might even go read like 1984 again. I might go read The Alchemist. I write go read a book here or there, but those those are so short. They're like, you can read that in a weekend easy if Oh yeah, in your time. So. Well, and that's what's awesome,
right? I mean, your body, your mind is like regulating, you know, it's always constantly like we need this. Like you knew at that point you're like, I got to do something else. And I'm the same way, dude. I become obsessed with it. And then what I start finding is that I can't even have a conversation about anything except business or marketing ideas or something about human improvement or whatever. Like it's, it's too much. It's too much.
It's like when we, we've got friends that are really into the health hardcore stuff, right? And I don't care. Like, I don't care. Like, oh, dude, you need to do an ice bath. The red light. Like I, I don't care, I don't care. Like I go to the gym not pretty frequently and I enjoy it. I don't go to make sure I'm healthy. It does help, but I go because I enjoy it. I like beating the shit out of myself until I can't move And I I enjoy it because it's cathartic for me and I I need
that release. But now man, everything from video games, I see it as a great use of time. It's just your time, you spend it the way you want. And well, it's just like everything else, you know, it's if it becomes a problem, then it becomes a problem. But as long as you know you have a good healthy relationship with stuff, you know, just like anything else can be healthy, most things can be healthy. Yeah, it's like a proverb too, from the great book of Ruth. You know, don't yuck someones
yams. Like that's all it is. Like you just gotta go, you know? Cuz I, I think that would be sometimes like if someone's driving like a shitty car. Like I saw this this morning. I was taking my kids to school and I saw a cyber truck that had been wrapped lime green. Yeah, we have so many cyber trucks out here, dude, It's. It's disgusting and they're dumb as shit and it just looked ridiculous. My cousins husband, husband. You know what? I was just like, I hope that's comfortable.
All I came to my mind was, I hope that's comfortable for them. Like I didn't think like fucking yuppie motherfucker like pretend environmentalists like this is stupid bullshit. I was just like whatever, you know, don't yuck. Someone jumps. And that's where I think about even like, you know, video games. Like people like assume that all I play is like shooters and everything like that.
But I'm really big RPG fan. I just re downloaded Baldur's Gate 3 and I'm like I'm going to give this a good chance because I like it. But you know you just kind of go on this flow right? Like you play the zombie game for a while or you'll play like I. Love zombie games. I love the intensity of it. What was Dead Space? Dead Space wasn't intense. It did not feel like it was scary or like even intense. It was like, OK, it's dark and now I saw a movement.
Why would I be startled? Like what is it that's scary about this moment? Because to me. Yeah, I'm there, but doesn't matter how high I'm getting, I didn't feel like I was drawn into the game, that I was terrified. I was just like, it's fine. Some of the zombie ones that we played at night are way more intense because they're chasing you.
They're like right behind. You. You're. You're jumping across rooftops or like the other one where I'm trying to run to my motorcycle, get on my motorcycle is this whole horde of zombies is chasing me. Like that is way different than like it just wasn't. And even that isn't like startling. It's just like more intense,
like racing because like. Yeah, it's just you remembered Dying Light when you Dying Light too, when we were like running on the rooftop so you could push triangle and he would like, oh, you'd look behind you and he's like coming for you. You're like. I loved going out at night. It was like. I hated it, it made me so. Intense as hell, I know, but that's not like I love that when I play. I was smoking a fucked ton of sativa at that time. That's probably why it made me
even more anxious. I was like. That sounds fantastic, yeah. We should play that again dude. We should just start over. We should because we can play that together, too. That's a blast. Well, it's been updated too. It's got a bunch of cool stuff with the and like you get guns now, which is kind of cool. But no, I love the games where it just lets you like just go do mindless stuff sometimes, you know, I don't want to be all serious and stuff like I don't need any of that just.
Well, just except for when we play Wildlands. That one we're a bit more serious. I'm very tired. Because then when McClain comes in, we're like, fucking McClain. Just kidding. But the last time we played with him, he was. Awesome. Yeah, he. Was and now he was over standing over my down body and he's all like it was awesome. Dude I got you bro, let me pick you up and save you. Hey, you guys know that we have
gamertags over there. Hit us up if you if you got your gamertag, send it to us. We'll we'll take a peek at your bio and then we'll friend you. Really we got we want is A4 player group for Wildlands, something else at least 'cause if we could have a four player squad. Oh my God. Even if could you imagine or race times racing would be dope. We can do like 16. We can have an endless amount in racing. But could you imagine a night time squad in going out in dying
light too? I don't know how many people we could have in it, but for a night time squad of four people running out at night with the zombies and stuff, that would be wicked. So. That would be awesome. Even Insurgency. If you got Insurgency on PS5PS4, let us know. We can make our own squad. And just what? Entire room. Oh dude.
Yeah. We can take the entire room because we just fill it up and then we just go cake launch and and same with Wildlands like that would be super cool if you got APS 4 or PS5, we're on there. Yeah, let us know in the comments. Like what games are you guys playing right now? Who gives you? And your favorite games? Yeah. Who who gives you shit right now? Is it your girlfriend? Is it your wife? Is it your mom?
Do you live with your mom? There's a lot of gamer girls too, they get shit from their boyfriends and husbands. That would be an interesting conversation to be a family on the wall for. So I don't I don't know any. I don't know any gamer girls who get shit from their boyfriends. The only gamer girl I feel like I really know is Preston's girlfriend. But they game together and they have gaming side by side PCs and switches and stuff and they just play together. But past that I don't.
I don't honestly know if I really. I know a few. I know a few that are like really into it and I was like, that's cool. It's always fun to see like an insurgency seeing like a a woman playing on there and I'm like cool, and there's always some dudes like Hey, what's up, Jennifer 365 like bro, you're they're. Probably all Mike lists. Yeah, because they're like all these guys. Yeah, and you know who they are because they they are women.
In the games, though, you're just like, oh cool, let's go. Like, are you going to be a part of the team? Like, if they're a good player, if they're a dope human, fuck yeah, Who cares, Yeah. Especially the racing dude. It's when people are horrible players or annoying as hell then I'm like I don't care who you are just. Get out, dude. We need to do that guys.
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