Welcome to Cannabis School. I'm your host, Jesse Angelus. And I'm Brandon Elder and we're here to talk to you about everything pertaining to cannabis from Vait Flower edibles, strains and everything in between. Well, hey guys, welcome back. We are super excited to be able to introduce an amazing company and their background is absolutely killer. Which is really interesting because HHC is a compound that until we tried these windy
Janes, yeah. They've got such a long story and we're going to be focusing on mainly on a product that they create. Yeah. And that's in the HHC. I hadn't actually broken into HHC. Have you? No, no. I popped my cherry with this one. Definitely. This was it was really good. So we want to be able to introduce, I want you guys to introduce yourselves actually so. Yeah, I'm Abalash Abalash
Sharma, a chemical engineer. Our company's PME by design, We're an engineering consulting service company. We kind of have been in the cannabis space, at least Mark and I have for about almost 10 years at least, in and out of all the different states where it's legal, illegal, kind of playing all the different spaces. And we're. Just kind of trying to push the industry forward with a cleaner, better product and bring it into a more professional world, which you guys definitely understand
needs to happen, yeah. Yeah, I'm Mark Jolly. I tell everybody I'm a farm boy from Idaho. I did grow up just South of Pocatello, up there in Idaho and join the military the young age and spent my life in engineering and getting an MBA and. Building factories all over the world, so. Does Idaho know you're out here telling people that you helped A pretty legal there. I think by proxy they're gonna arrest you.
Yeah. Well, I haven't applied for the application yet, but I got 700 acres that's taken for it. So yeah, well, it is. So. They finally opened it up for grow Up there in Idaho, and they're trying to figure it out. For him. For him? I didn't want to make it. Oh, okay, very. Well, Idaho's a little slower behind that, but I mean that's I think maybe because of the, the recent boom of growth there that would definitely be appealing to them. Yeah, their infrastructure can't
handle that. There's no infrastructure. I mean the the hemp side of this, this industry has struggled because you know so many farmers got into it. The. The yields were huge and then a lot of guys didn't know what they were doing and then it crashed and you guys have seen it.
I mean so. Many hundreds of millions of dollars wasted on trying to get into something that people didn't understand and they didn't know because we, you know, as Americans, we have such a short memory, we quit studying it in the 60s and. Look where it's got, it's you know we're behind the 8 ball as far as science and Oh yeah. Well, because before then it was required like hemp's been grown anyway and when we first founded the country it was required to
grow hemp like. So it's ridiculous that we are so behind the times with such a like there's a lot to this plant, let's be honest. But at the same time, it is such simple, basic things that it's, you know, we we should know better. It's an amazing plant on all sides, right? Yeah. And and we're scratching the surface. Whether you're talking, you know, the the good stuff or the hemp stuff, both of it, we're still just scratching the
surface. Yeah, well, how many compounds have we discovered at this point? Several hundred? Yeah, not that many. And what got you guys to choose HHC as your compound? It's very scientific was actually our founding because we started off with a delta, a well we started off with CBD and we were both very focused on kind of bringing this industry into a place where it can help people with the opioid crisis and with
their pain management and. I mean, we all know cannabis is the best for pain management and CBD is not as good as THC, but people don't really wanna get high all the time. You wanna kind of wake up in the morning, take something and go to work and a lot. I don't know about that, Yeah. Yeah, I mean, well, this guy. I'm not high. I wake up and I have chronic pain. But for me, I wake up and I puff in a pen. I. Set up the Zenko.
I completely understand that. I'm like taking a dab or I go smoke a bowl, but then I sit down and work like that's how I function. It's, and that's why we're kind of looking at the other side of the spectrum where it's kind of soccer moms and people with like, you know, to have to take their kids from. Everyone else who doesn't have chronic pain and still wants to function, yeah. Or the people that are scared to death.
I mean, I, you know, when when I got into it down in California, these huge facilities, I mean there were so many. People that I knew that had pain but would never walk into a dispensary because they're scared. They're like, what do I do? What do I buy? What? What? What's good? What is, you know, Yeah.
And the education is pathetic. And then, you know the professionalism of our industry was lacking and probably still is lacking in the science and in the engineering and in the development of taking it to that level where.
Where Windy the gal that we named this brand after would actually go in she she would never go into a store never go into a place because that was just taboo and now she takes one every day because she sleeps amazing you know because she does that and you know that and and the opioid crisis was a big deal yeah so many kids lives got destroyed and and we we were on the on the THC side right. We've built a lot of THC. Equipment and facilities for people.
And we just said, you know, can we do this better? Can we give people pain relief and maybe give them more of a body high than a head high. And so we started to look at, you know, more of more and more of the science, which he's amazing at. This kid can make, we can make any of them, we can do all of them, but he's really good at making it very, very, very clean so. I will say that in the flavor in that I don't taste any.
Yeah, that's one of the things I wanted to say because that at all, you know, my wife is, she's very judgmental on anything that. Very sensitive with the flavors. Yeah, flavors, I mean it, you know, we understand it's plant and plant medicine. There was this one CBD that we took and it's like super potent, very organic, it's awesome. It's a made one of the best Cbd's I've ever tried, but it tastes like ass. It's.
So tastes like medicine. It's not A and they mix some stuff in there to try and make it taste better, but it just made it worse. And you're like, oh oh, and it's like waves of awfulness. But this I tell you I when I ate it, I was like that's surprisingly really good and and I judge these really hard like there's there's one brand that I really enjoy they make a really strong THC edible and they're based out of Oregon great company wild.
Yeah, I know them well, yeah, we actually know their founder, Christopher Joseph and and I I met him that that's actually kind of how this got started was I was a partner with the podcasting agency and they're like, we need to get a cannabis podcast. And I reached out to every and they're like, yeah, it sounds cool, but it's not really for my brand. And it couldn't be.
So we were sitting after a couple of years and we're like, you know, let's just take this idea that we came up with and then let's craft it, let's make it better. Made more sense for us, Yeah, but not for. Them a brand because to go, hey, this is for end user and user focus. No brand is going to focus on anything. Fairly well, and you're just talking about yourself the whole time. Being their brand and so and. That's not education. We need objective. Kind of.
Fruits about this industry, which now going, this is wonderful. Like I love their flavors, right? I really do. And I have yet to try and find a flavor that is just as good. And these ones are even better because there's our, I mean, yeah, it's made out of fruit pulp. And, you know, the shelf life has got to be really short on those. And they're, they're very tasty. But these ones were so, so good. My wife had them.
And I'll tell you what she had. So she felt it in her back for a while, but she was kind of relaxed and went to sleep. So I'm thinking, oh, it's super mild. Brandon, you ate how many the first time? 22 But I also had a lot of other cannabinoids in me and my dose. I I honestly wasn't sure if I felt it so. So for me though, we, my wife and I was last Saturday and we went, we went shopping. It was date night, you know, we went, we went food shopping because that's what we do with
five kids. And so we get out there and I I pop this, I'm like, I'm going to see what happens because I just got done smoking earlier in the day. And I was like, I'm pretty mellowed out, took a bunch of CBD. And I'm like, I'm going to level this out to base and I'm going to go out and experience this. And I remember you saying, like, you're going to feel it in the body. I felt it all over my entire
body, my head, my, my toes. And it progressively got stronger, but not in the sense of unmanageable. It was waves of happiness. That's the best way to be able because I might have arthritis in my hands. And and you know, congratulations for my dad, right? Thanks for pressing that, Gene. But I didn't get any of the pain. And I've got a bad ACL. It's all torn. And meniscus is just junk and it hurts all the time. I didn't feel that either after one.
And The thing is, I'm, I'm a pretty consistent user. Yeah, yeah, I use every day. And whether it's flour or concentrate, I use that. And you were saying like, hey, you might need to take two. So I tell Brandon, hey, you may need to take 5 because. Oh, you're the same way. Nice. We actually have a 25 milligram version as well for people, yeah, that's what the higher
dosage limit. Yeah. Well, I took six. I took three about an hour before we started recording and then it took the remaining three that we're in the package just, you know, at the beginning. So, yeah, but it's so I I love the consistency in the feel and that's kind of what I really wanted to talk to you guys about is take us through that because synthetics we were not very. Well, I'm not a big fan of synthetics. I'm not to be. Honest, because most of it came
from our Delta 8 experiences. Yeah, we got some really shitty Delta 8. As everyone knows, is like just degrading or trying to alter the CBD compound and turn it into the Delta 9. Yeah, it's cannabis light. And they're getting, yeah, to D8 now. Isn't HHS part of the? Problem, right Part The part of the problem is some of these companies. Have zero science, right? We've we really, what we do is build factories. That's really what we've done.
That's all I've done on my life. I've built factories in China and Vietnam and Mexico. In Portugal I spent four years and I build these factories for different products. But it's all science based. You know engineering is very black and white. Chemical engineering is very black and white. This industry has suffered from the lack thereof. And I can't tell you how many factories we go in. And we say, where's your engineer? Where's your lead scientist?
And the guy's got a high school degree. He's been smoking his whole life. You know, he worked on a, you know, a distillation column some place. And we're like. You don't even understand what the temperature range is. You don't understand anything about vacuum. You don't understand anything about purity. And you know, to be clear, like that's fine in a small lab, but these guys are running like $50 million facilities. Like it's not. That's disappointing.
We went to a huge one over in Florida and I I literally was scared because the safety factor of walking through that factory was sketchy. Are there companies that you can? Stare us away from in that range. Personally, like for my parents for example, all these alternative cannabinoids my mom suffers from from guy I guess insomnia. She has a lot of issues sleeping and I told her try some delta, try some HHC and we weren't producing it at that point.
And I honestly told her, why don't you wait until we make it? Because I don't feel comfortable with her going to a gas station. And something random. Yeah. And I don't know about any online company because. As I'm sure you guys know, the COA is not representative of the stuff you're buying, no. It's a batch from two years ago and there's no way it's in the car and it smells different, it tastes different. It's just madness and.
It's terrible. I mean, I wouldn't say nobody else is doing it right, but I'm very hesitant about the people I care about that how them just take it easy, maybe go to a dispensary or let me get something to you. Something that one of your podcasts, the guy was, I can't remember, maybe it was Chris, one of them. He's like, well, if you smell it and it smells good or you know. Trust your instincts. Well when you take that gummy or that edible and it tastes like ass, something's wrong.
You know some scientists or didn't know what he was doing you know at all and this industry is completely packed full of them. You know some of them are awesome companies and a couple here in Utah are absolutely amazing and and they're you know, but we need to go to CGMP. We need to have standards and requirements and. Yeah, very high bar if we ever want to see this go to the next
level, you know? Well, it's how you get consumer level quality, right and like actually make sure that your products are good for your consumer versus just going, hey, we're people who have used cannabis our whole life and. I've made Inedible and I got my friends high and so it's like, yeah, I can do this and it's. A huge safety concern. I'm sure you guys remember the Vitamin E acetator show that came out in. California, there's going to be
another. One, we still have signs here all over, and it'll say, like, they're all over the stores. You'll see them on the doors as you go in. It'll be like vaping. Unregulated THC is bad for your help. Yeah, because of that vitamin E stuff that they hadn't. And it was like, how many of those or heavy metals or other things are you finding across that? Because. There isn't the standard regulation. There's not this like across the board level of quality that we
have. And a lot of the guys jump into the industry, both sides, right, and say, well, it's a good business opportunity, so we're going to throw money at it. We've seen factories that were $150 million, they couldn't produce a Ding thing. So they call us and say come help us, we go look at it. We're like, where's your science? Where's your? You know, you show us the nothing. They don't have these. These are these are big, big companies here in the US. We see it all the time.
Product. It's because people come in and they think, well, cannabis is a money market. You just have to have the money and make it and you'll make tons of money. But yet you go into it and it's like, OK, but you don't realize how much science goes into it. I invested in a grow. And brought Jesse in to be the CEO because the founder was he didn't know I mean. It doesn't say he didn't know most of these cannabis companies
from what I've understood. Because before I had that kind of illusion that the cannabis industry was so regulated because from when I was growing up, it was like, hey, I got a guy who's going to contact to when it starts becoming more mainstream and he picked me up a pen and I'm thinking like, cool. I mean, I had not used cannabis for like 10 years before he brought it back into my life. And I'm like, OK, well, this must be super regulated. This is cool.
It's in a it's an actual device. This looks cool. This is neat. What I find out is labels. Right. I mean, it came from a farm. It's like an actual dispensary. It came a dispensary, but even. Then still the level of qualities that you see across there, well, it's if you take it from there and it goes to where it's being run by individuals who have no idea how to run a business, right. And so it's. Business people who know absolutely nothing about cannabis. Manufacturing, yeah.
And really a lot of the issue comes in the the. I mean, the lack of regulations is an issue on manufacturing, but the testing is also kind of atrocious. Yeah, you can't trust the OAS I I worked. In a lot of the testing companies that provided the guy. Yeah. It's terrible. And so they're like. They change the numbers for. Yeah. And they're like, hey, or we'll just send it out to another one because we know they'll test it and get like. Test it for what they want,
right? Yeah. And then the cannabis, we call it the cannabis tax. We laugh out all the time. Yeah, I mean the plant that just. Evaporated over in Oregon, $150 million, right. And you, you see these guys go down to Vegas to the show and they walk in and they just start buying equipment. Oh, we'll take one of those and one of those. They have no idea what they're buying. They go spend 150.
We've built, I don't know three or four facilities that could outproduce that facility, $150 million facility, you know produce less than 2000 kilos a month, we can do. 3000 kilos a month for less than 5,000,000 bucks. Because you. Know because we understand that this column is used in the Pharmaceutical industry and if you buy it over here in the Pharmaceutical industry, it works better. It's the exact same thing. But it doesn't come with that cannabis tax of three times the
amount of money. I mean some of these equipment guys are just Oh my gosh, it's it's it's multifaceted, right. We have people that don't understand these machines. They look at them and go. So the synthetics where we started, you saying you kind of got a bad rap? Of course you do, because the synthetic is based on the basic gradient. If I can't get good CBD, how can I make anything good out of it? You know, if the plant sucks and it smells like dog, it's going to suck on the other end.
Oh yeah. You know, so there's a massive difference even in quality of grows here that I've seen just on him. Makes a huge difference. And you're like OK, down to soil and everything else that they're doing. And you can see a massive difference in the like the end crop. And then you kind of look at it like I, I look at and and there are going to be people who are listening to this.
They're going to go like, dude, you're shitting on my industry, and I totally am, because the cannabis industry resembles a lot of the solar industry they're taking they. Think they're just Vivint Bros? Well, I mean, not by that meaning that they're taking advantage of a system to be able to produce money for themselves, but not by being able to produce
a high quality product. Yeah. And when they're putting it out there with the misconception that it's going to be better, it's going to be healthier, it's going to be more in a line with you, with your moral standards when we're talking about any synthetics compared to a THC, because that's where a lot of there's a Gray area. For those who are hyperreligious or or whatever it may be, they're like, hey, though, I can't take that, you know? I can't smoke the devil's lettuce.
Cool. How about this gummy? What does it do? As it helps with pain. OK, because. It Why do you think that we went that directly? Because it it is and we love this industry, OK? We love it on all aspects. We also hate it because. We need more engineers and scientists. We need more education and we need higher standards. You know if you build great products it'll come and and and we.
We do a lot of building for other people because we're not a big company, but we end up helping all the big companies we. We fly all over the place to go solve these problems because we want the industry to be picked. Yeah, we want them to be consistent because there's not enough consistent cannabis brands that are out there that you can say is a brand, right. It's not even the different brands, but within the brand itself. Well, how often has aspirin changed in their form?
Exactly these companies you can't go and buy the same gummy two months later and get the same effect from. Nope, and that's a problem when you're using it for medicine like you don't. You expect to take two multivitamins a day, not one and a half one. Right. Like if you're going. Do it for medication. Why the fuck is the formula changing? Keep your same formula. Yeah, the molecule is the molecule. Yeah, change it to another one if you're like, cool. Well, this one's for this. OK, cool.
Keep this formula for this. Find a different formula for something else and go for that for that. And it is very nuanced. With cannabis, as you guys know, because of the terpenes and the entourage effect, yeah, there's a it's almost impossible to replicate it. But that's kind of why we took the step back and rather than saying let's make a great cannabis product that we can use
to help people. We're gonna take a compound which we know works like Advil, like ibuprofen, and put that in a delivery mechanism that people are comfortable using. So we found found the best compound, really. It's not HHC, it's a it's one of the compounds at the Israeli university that studies built. So take us through that, like take us through your compound. What, what? How do you guys, what is HHC? So let's kind of, let's educate our audience on that one. What is HHC?
And take us through the compound of why? But you felt that you guys have been able to create something that's quite remarkable. Yeah, absolutely. So HHC is Hexa Hydro Cannabino. It's just another cannabinoid like D8D9D10, all the ones you guys have heard about. It's made from CBD. So it's one of these semi synthetic or synthetic cannabinoids like D8. But it's kind of further down the process line.
So from a production standpoint, you isomerize CBD to turn it into Delta 8 and then you hydrogenate D8 to turn it into HHC. So it's a similar process that they do and it's actually how you make margarine. It's a part of the process for making diesel. It's very common chemical processing. But getting it to that high purity and high scale of course takes a lot of kind of meticulous R&D, process design, equipment design and that's what we focused on in the past year.
So we knew the compound exists, right? This was isolated in the 70s. It's nothing magical here, but getting it out of the comp, out of the plant, out of super high purity where we wouldn't say it's pharma grade, but it's almost at the level where you can trust it to be exactly that compound and nothing else. It's 99% HHC that we put in there. Getting it to that level and getting that kind of confidence just took a lot of R&D.
So we have an in house lab, We have kind of our own HBLC bench top systems and I've done a lot of academic research in the past, so I feel super comfortable just kind of diving in and figuring that out. And then once we got to the point where we got our 99%, figured out our formula, did all of the testing, we went to an NMR lab and identified all the compounds we didn't know, figured out getting all the
heavy metals out. It was very, very methodological to be sure the final product is pure and safe. And then I turned the mark and kind of say, hey, we got to scale this up. We got to start producing keys instead of grams. And we kind of brainstormed together and got to a point where we took this to market. And we just gave it to friends and families and said we think this compound is great for pain management and you won't get
high. And so that's really the, you know, because my parents are afraid of cannabis, they don't want that high. They've always grown up. They told me in high school when they caught me smoking pot like you're going to. You're going to drop out, you're going to do this and that, and that's just the way they grew up. But they'll take these gummies because they know it's not going to get them that high. My dad's a goal. My dad's a high school principal from the 80s. Ronald Reagan.
Say no to drugs. Oh yeah, I mean he is Mr. Anti drug his entire life. 3 fused vertebraes in his back, takes a half of 1 twice a day and lives his life. And we have had hundreds of people say, man, I got a bad hip and I don't, I can. Do it, I can live or I can take
it and go to bed and sleep. But it's it's kind of the combination of both of us that make it magic and it's not just our product like every factory we go in we try to automate it so that you can eliminate that human factor and and you know I mean we, we really want to build a CBD facility from end to end. That no one's done yet because we need consistent CBD to take
it to the next level. We need great isolate phenomenon and it can't be made in a batch, can't be made in, you know half of these scary places and some of them are amazing places and and some of them here in Utah are amazing places. But the industry needs a new standard and it needs a CGMP
facility from end to end. For Delta 9, for for every single one of these, we need to take it to the next level and and we'll do it. Somebody will come to us and say, hey we want to, we want to be the big isolation guys. There's such a void in the market. I I mean we probably know five guys right now that would buy 3 to 5000 kilos a month if the facility existed. We all and we were looking forward to the one in Oregon be
in that facility. And we bought a lot of product from them and some of it was great, some of it was crap because the inconsistency. Of the starting quality. People, right? Yeah. Well, because they didn't automate their systems. Well, it sounds like they don't. Inconsistent and different? Well, they have no standard operating procedures. Well, even if that's that's in the, that's the lowest level requirement and a lot of them don't have that, no, I mean just like. Pharma, yeah.
Well, even if they do right, like Advil isn't made in a continuous process, it's made in batches and that's totally fine. Time. You can make super high quality stuff in batches, but you need meticulous, formal level controls. If you're doing that, you need QA and QC. That's unparalleled. And that's of course not evident. We don't have that, Yeah. If you'd apply that, great. Do batches. But there's other ways to do it, like what the nutraceuticals do, what the people do.
That's totally fine. You can do it this way and not be that anal about it and still be safe, still be continuous, still be consistent. And that's the most important thing and kind of going back to what you were saying. That is why we chose HHC cuz. It's not magic. We saw people doing V8. We kind of looked at each other and said this is, you know, we bought 2 keys and one's clear, one's not like this is crazy. We can. We can fix this problem very easily between the two of us.
But we're engineers. We're not salespeople. So we're not gonna go out and say, hey, buy our DA. We'll say we'll make sure your DA is safe. We'll make sure your consumers get stuff they can trust and it'll be the same thing each time. Well, it's exactly what you're talking about before, cuz I mean when we're thinking about the individuals there. Rd. is. Hey, I made this shit in my garage. What do you guys think? Yeah, got me pretty high. Get you high.
And we're going past that. Like I haven't been high in years. Yeah, that's a lie. I got high a couple days ago. You lucky. But thanks for having today. But but the thing was, is that typically when I use cannabis, it's not to get high, it's to elevate either pain relief or creativity, right? Right. Those are the things that I use it for. So I'm like okay, I know exactly what I use my cannabis for. So I'm not getting to that point where I'm so far gone. Like, I've just done a ton of
dab. No. No offense. Oh. None. He's big dad guy. But you know, I I mean I just I. Don't get so far, guys. Yeah, you don't. I mean, because you have such extremely high tolerance, but it's even for me, like, you know, for years of using cannabis And now, like, I mean, I took one of these and I felt really good and it just continued. It went for such a long time, I would say around. 8 hours, yeah. Well, that's the thing I've read is that HHC can last for up to 12 hours on the experience.
And the Well, yes, it can. The and one of the better features that I really enjoy is the shelf life. We can get three to five years. So HHC. So on your delta. 9 Delta 9 itself is super unstable as yeah, we made 90% Delta 9. We pull it out of the oven and it turns purple, just oxidizes instantly. But the process. That's why margarine has such a great shelf life that. Geogenation process is the chemical process that gives things a better shelf life.
And so the HHC, the gummies, everything in there. It stays as HHC. It's not like about a weed where if you leave it out for four years, you come back, it's all CBN. Yeah, that. Won't happen. Well, that's what I read is how HHC naturally occurs. Is in the oxidation from THC over to CBN is that you will find HHC obviously like very tiny. Yeah, yeah. So that's really cool then. And D nine well THC you see.
All the time you go into the store and it's you got some beautiful colors and then you got these dark ones and then you got some skinky ones and it's like, I mean it's a science problem and manufacturing issue, but it's also wants to degrade, right. It wants to just kind of naturally. So this one's this one and and. Yeah. Have you guys vaporized or like done HHC as I? Have it doesn't hit quite as
hard with vaporizing. I found it's a it's it's almost gone within 30 minutes from what I've seen these experience. Yeah, I was. It was really surprising. Yeah. And I don't like the taste personally, so we don't put any terpenes or anything in there. It's just pure. I was gonna say you don't even taste any of that, so we can. I mean, we've we, we've done all of. These if you taste it Rod. Does it have a flavor? Profile then is just the. It does. I mean honestly it.
I would say it tastes kind of chemically in a sense, cuz I've had pure delta, a pure delta 9, pure CBD. I'd say it's closest to CBD CBD when I've vaped it before. It's almost tastes like plastic, like it doesn't taste very good to me. And this is closer to that than the sweet taste that you get from delta A to delta 9. OK, huh. But you, you know if somebody, you know if somebody wanted to add Terps, it's obviously. Does. Wow.
I might. So does it change to obviously when you take normal THC it changes to or 11 hydroxy. Does HHC change to a obviously maybe a different compound as well when digested versus? No actual science about around it right now, but it does seem like it does change to just follow the same metabolic pathway as Delta as D9 does, but the rate of metabolism is different. It is also like a five times stronger potency when it's digested through your. Like. I mean, I I'm an engineer, right?
So I'll never. Come out and say I know. Is there like guesstimated of what they're hypothesizing? For not enough science around HHC to know. And that's OK, part of the problem here, because I I can tell you what I've seen, what our people have told us, what they've done. Yeah. In the end, it's all anecdote. Yeah, we we hate that. When somebody says, oh, it's great because I tried it, OK, where's your science? You know? But yeah, that's the consistency.
Everyone's end of cannabinoid systems. We'll do it blind. We'll do a double-blind study. We'll tell you exactly. See what it does? I mean, we would. We want to. We want to, yeah. I mean, we love the Israelis because they've studied it so much and we've got a great friend over there that's amazing and. Whenever we run into a bind, we call him and say, man, what is
going on? I love how much research they have on it. It's just like, I learned that in the 70s and I know of course he's got it. It's amazing it. Is it's sad that we're so far behind, right? Well, we are, but we're not. We funded a lot of it since 98. Yeah, just not stateside. Yeah, so it's like, so it's still we still have the data, we're just too dumb to read it. Like, I don't know.
Well, I mean it's that and then you know, I mean got China over there with Wuhan. So we funded both of them. OK. Well, China so. That's a rabbit hole. We don't. But but yeah, it just, it really does come down to that. What is your consistency? What's your science? And a big part of this, you'll notice it's 10 milligrams as you mentioned. Yeah, you won't find another 10 milligram HHC product on the market. The lowest we found is 25 milligrams.
And that's because from what I mean, I've done a blind to test myself. We haven't, you know, done it officially or anything, but these gummies for me hit more more potent than the other brands. 25 milligrams. And from what I understand, that's just because we don't put any adulterants in there. It's 100% HHC. No other cannabinoids, no terpenes, nothing. And a lot of these other companies, they go out and wipe and outsource their HHC production. Just bring in something, read a COA.
And as you know, white label, who knows what's in there? It's all white labeled. Yeah, and this is we control everything. You gotta have quality. You gotta have quality. Start. Yeah, you know, it's you gotta have a good plant. It's no different than the, you know, the D9. Or a THC. You've got to have quality from the very beginner, You got to have a grower that knows what the heck he's doing and and we got to work up the chain.
And not a lot of companies, you know, a lot of companies tell that they're great at it, but where's your science? You know, where's the people? Show us? But the industry is just so nascent still, right? We've still got a long ways to go, and it's exciting in that realm. And the other side is it's looking at, like, that's why when we talk to people, like, we get local people around here and I've got family. And they're like, hey, you want to try this?
Like, yeah, what is it? And they go, I don't know, I got it from a friend that I'm not touching it. And they're like, oh, come on. And like, dude, I I treat this more bougie than I would for chocolate or food because you don't know what you don't know about it. And that's a big problem. And where we're talking like where Brandon invested into it and I came out of CEO, you got this. I mean, he's he's a country bumpkin potato farmer. Yeah, he's like, oh, we've been
potato farmers. No, dude, my dad, I know how to grow everything. Not could do it all. And then he's just like, OK, and then I like well. But he didn't even grow it. He had a grower come in to grow it, yeah. And that grow did and I went to. One of the Hells Angels. Yeah, it well, he knew. We've heard this story before, right? Yeah, it this day, there was numbering, there was number consistency. Nobody knew it was going on.
And especially when I started asking because I came from the supply chain logistics world at that time. And I was like, OK, cool, What's your cost per plant? How much water are you using? What's your electricity over there? What's in the soil? Are you testing everything? And he's like, Yep, Yep, Yep. I'm like, cool, can you send me that? I need to see that to be able to understand that so we can look at profitability margins over here. And he's like, well, don't worry about it.
We got it all under control. We'll figure it out. And the more I started digging, the more I understood that he didn't know what he was doing. It was literally like how you would see construction guys picking up Hispanic dudes over there at a Lowe's or a Home Depot at 5:00 in the morning saying, do you guys want work? Cool. Yeah, it's the same thing, what they're doing. There's more. Research I did, and I'm like, what about this? What are we doing at this?
What's these levels tested at? Are we testing this? What's this done just like? Well, we'll find out. And the guy would just be like, oh, he danced around, I'll get that. And I'm like, cool, no, we need to know this. Plants are growing. How are we supposed to gauge this and gauge, like, all of this if we can't track this, this, that like, well, it turns it out, yeah. To be the. Guys that are doing great, I mean, Oregon, Washington.
Totally. You know, some of these grows are phenomenal and they do the science, but. Yeah, There's just not enough regulation for these newer companies coming out regulation because they're thinking that I can just make quick cash. So that goes back to what you were saying, the signs that say smoking unregulated THC is bad for your health. I would love to smoke regulated THC, but where the hell? Yeah, exactly. Who the hell is making these regulations?
And where's your bar? Yeah, cuz stop setting it so fucking low, obviously. And that is a problem for us, because this one is not legal in Utah, right? I noticed that. You have 11 states that have said. They don't understand it. They don't know how to tax it because it's on the hemp side so well, Utah's pretty bad on the taxation side. There's they need to pull their head out. They don't understand it enough and they need to bring in other states that have been able to conquer that one.
Because, I mean, it's a great way to be able to for to subsidize the the government, right, A great way. I mean, look at Colorado, amazing things that they did. They don't even have really great weed. It's fine. It's fine. It's okay. There's some good ones in there. I think Oregon's done it the best, especially with HHC. They've been all these cannabinoids. They created a whole new kind of column.
So they have recreational and medical cannabis, they have hemp products, and then they have adult use cannabinoids now. Wow. They just did this this past year, and they're making a whole board for it, a whole regulating agency. And that way now they can tax it. It's not a cannabis product. It's not a hemp product. It's an adult regulated product.
The idea is to get it away from children, but because children might need CBD and that's available for some children, but these other ones, Hemp derived, can't be. Right. Yeah, that makes sense. You could have cannabinoid profiles that are designed specifically for children with specific ailments or needs that aren't, I mean, and maybe they're, yeah, maybe there are.
And that's what I'm hoping for. Like I've talked about with this with Jesse for years, as like, the future of cannabis should be Okay. Let's look at your endocannabinoid profile. You have deficiencies here, here, here, Okay. Cool. Well, these cannabinoids and terpene profiles will help with this. So we can build you a gummy, a strain, a tincture, whatever that's crafted and designed for. Your ailments, Your endo. Cannabinoid.
Sounds like some Star Trek shit. It does, but like that's what it should. Be like, yeah. But I mean it's so it really is and that's, you know talking about what you just said, Mark. And they're just so behind the times and the only reason why is because they don't treat it seriously. Honestly, the the government doesn't treat it as serious as they should be.
And I mean we could say you know, it's big pharma trying to suppress it is in some sense, but it's more on the side of well, the consumers aren't educated enough because if you can, if it if a consumer is more empowered, they have the actual
science. But it's been put into layman's terms and it understands towards their daytoday interaction if you did a double-blind study of taking an Advil as opposed to a cannabinoid and they took care of that pain and that problem like I rarely will use ibuprofen, rarely now and I won't take pain I haven't I haven't touched an opioid and and I was during that time I had shoulder surgery knee surgery and my doc was giving me lower tab 10s filled for 30 of them
every Friday. Like the my the doctor's office saying hey you've got a a whole script and I had a shoebox full of them and I just couldn't. I after a little while I couldn't take them. Then Fast forward a bunch of years later I get a tooth reconstruct. I broke off a piece of my tooth and they're like, yeah, come on in do like you want the gas. I'm like, no thank you They're
like, why not. And I'm like so I just smoked a joint out in the in the driveway and I'm feeling pretty good here and I was like let's do this And he's like you're going to feel pain. I'm like do you understand cannabis? He goes, no. And I'm like, take it easy you. Smoke another joint. Like, oh, hold on, it's going to be painful. No problem, I'll just get that. But it really did. It took care of the pain. I didn't feel anything.
And even after, like, I went towards a, a teacher after that one, just because you know, you don't want to inhale, suck in or anything like that when you have certain type of dental work but still no pain. And that dentist was absolutely shocked. He's like, so it took care of all that. And like, yeah, I don't need to take all these other things that are going to constipate me or put tons of chemicals like my. Grandma, who's had the had those chronic migraines. Yeah, yeah, you told me she.
Got onto fentanyl before. Before we got her off and I started making her edibles because unfortunately it was like, yeah, you can't get anything legally here and you're not going to go out and I don't know what you're going to find. And I don't know if you're going to find a good quality or dosing or anything. So I dosed her for a year and a half, did all of it my own, because I'm like, no, I need to make sure that you're taken care of.
And then finally, so she hadn't used it for maybe a year, year and a half, hadn't touched any cannabis because it went away. And she just started getting those again. And she just used this, that one super delicious flavor CBD, the one that's. Yeah, that stuff is rough. Yeah, so good. But I gave her the capsules so she doesn't taste. It. But she just took one of those, and one of those in a day would
make it go away. One point that we should say is we don't just limit ourselves to in our company, we only make HHC. We build complete systems for D9 and for T because we want to help those guys be consistent too, you know. So if there's companies out there struggling on their extraction system or how to make, you know, get it clean and get it consistent, we'd love to
help those guys. We don't do it for free, but we love to help them because we want to raise the whole industry up, you know, to build a. Better industry? Yeah. If everybody gets consistent, then it can be. You know what you're buying. You know the difference between ibuprofen and Tylenol. You know the difference between, you know, material grown in Oregon and material grown in Colorado. And it's consistent all the time. We need consistency. We need automation.
I would love to have 20 great chemical engineers with nothing to do because I could stick them in plants right now. Right? Get. Educated engineers in there helping the guys like you that learned it on your own. You know. You know it well enough that you sit down with us. We could build you an automated line that you dump it in one in and out the other. In comes a perfect product every time we. Need that.
Across the industry we're doing it with HHC, but we need it across the industry, so. You know those guys that need help. We will help them. We're we're we'll put that information down below anyway we can be able to get in contact with you guys to be able to help out because we have a lot of cannabis brands that listen to us not just here in the States but all over the world.
So we we know that that is something that is definitely needed and and more so for the consumer side because it's exactly once you become more educated in cannabis you start becoming a little bit more bougie about it right. It's not buying the box wine on the end cap it's you know I want to know exactly what am I buying whose feet smash this and how good is this going to taste right. That's that's the way the cannabis needs to be seen as and
and you know we get we get shit. I get shit from my family like, oh, it was a cannabis snob. Yes I am, because I want to know what I'm consuming. I want to know what I'm feeling and and that goes to full, I mean especially when we're talking about that where we got our audience listening, we'll put down in the show notes how to be able to get this Wendy, Jane and what it could be for a definite just a change. I will say so, so far it's been how many of you had six OK today. Yes, OK.
This morning Roger that. Yeah. So I would say I feel really clear at it like this has been, do you feel your body? Yeah, but I have a lot of chronic pain. I still feel my body, but it is more relaxed and the sharpness in it isn't quite there. But it's still only a little bit in. I would wait your give it another hour and it might be a little bit less pain. Your tolerance is so high, you're probably like people with low tolerance. Get it in 1520 minutes. You're probably more an hour
now. Oh yeah, 100% I felt it. Blown away on how long that lasts. You'll be amazed that you'll be going. Oh, my gosh, This is, you know, it's 3:00 in the afternoon. Wow. Yeah, well, in see, I always gauge for me like a product is how often I feel like I need to use it. How often do I feel like you need to go back? Like if I use a pen if I'm puffing on a cart. That it's every 30-40 minutes. I feel like I'm taking a hit on my pad because those are candy.
Well, and I don't actually get into a lot of the actual stuff, because it doesn't. It's not enough for that. You know, I also thought about because those there are instances where people have those anxiety inducing moments where they took too much cannabis or they were stupid and ate a whole brownie. Yeah, from their buddy that was like 200, three, 100 milligrams, right? Or that guy who ate a whole nerve rope. Like what the fuck is wrong with? But this would be a really great way.
Say you've gone through a decent long tea break and you want to ease back into cannabis and you don't want to jump right in to go and like what's the percentage on that that cart 8792? Cool, I'll smoke that and go right back into panic mode. Like this is a great alternative to being able to slowly get back into cannabis. I would say this is a great almost like a I I I always use
that term. It's almost like a prophylactic of being able to protect yourself while you're going back into it, to be able to allow your system to accept more cannabinoids on a very, very low level and then get back up to your peak. I mean if Bren never did a tee break. I have for like 2448 hours and I've done. I've done 30 days. And I've never run out. That's hard. So Wendy went to, I think you guys had Brooke on your on one of your Yeah. Wendy.
Wendy went to her one of her things down in Vegas and Wendy never knew the marijuana nickname was Mary Jane. And so we just started laughing our butts off and then we're like, well, let's try Wendy Jane, a little better alternative for these people that just you know, or to the IT HAC is amazing at helping you come off.
And take a break. It kind of is on the other side of what you're saying rather than when you're going back into it. From what I've seen, one of my good friends from college, you know, we just dab all the time. He was always kind of just floating around and then he kind of hit, caught, hit the real world, and you got to stop doing that. Basically, I have a job, he's a girlfriend, getting a wife soon, and now he kind of is weaning
off. But there's all those withdrawal symptoms where you have, yeah, crazy nights of sleep, you get you're not hungry anymore, you get you're sleeping at odd hours. It's all all these terrible things. These gummies help a lot with that kind of stuff, because you still get. The very. Kind of kind of intake, but you're not getting the high and you? Can live your life stress and everything else.
So obviously with like THC in that and really small doses it can help with anxiety and stuff like that. Is this something that you have seen even anecdotally that people get anxiety and higher doses at all? I haven't. I haven't seen it, We haven't. We haven't had that as feedback. And we've had people like that Lady at the show. She took one or two and didn't know it, so she ate the whole bag. Yeah. Yeah. It still wasn't extreme. Classic had one. Didn't feel it this anymore, yeah.
Dosing's a big deal to us and we want to see better dosing across. Yeah, we we talked about that a whole time. Dose it get it? That's. The other thing is it's. It's incredibly hard to find a dose because everyone's tolerance is different, like, I feel like. There needs to be a better starting dose for most products because I feel like that 10 milligrams is not a good
starting. Yeah, we're thinking about making a. 5 milligram come in. This might be, but as far as like THC where people get anxious and that and you're like, OK, so they've never taken a cannabinoid. And 10 milligrams is your starting dose, yeah. But there is no. Gives them a bad experience. And then they're like, oh, this is terrible. This is a scary drug I don't want. You're like, it's dosing. You're not going to take the whole bottle of Advil. It's the same thing like.
I think that this could because those that markets very niche, right. Most of the people that go to dispensaries have been smoking and now it's finally legal. So they're going to continue smoking. Yeah. It's not people that are starting to consider getting into it, trying to find some info and details. And most of those people, the only reason they would do it is if their buddy hands them a pen. Yeah, now they're afraid to cuz it's overwhelming and you have
no idea. They're not going to go to the dispensary for the first time they ever want to try. Yeah, and this is our target market in reality is the soccer mom, right? The one that just got five kids running around going crazy and just needs to take a little edge off, you know, needs to be able to go shopping without going crazy. You know, or or running around. It's it's it's it is an amazing. He has made an amazing product in and of itself. Not to brag about it, but no brag. It is.
That's cool. To your heart, yeah, you definitely should. Because if you're going to be able to put into this on the very scientific level, to have a consistency on, it absolutely should be bragged about. Because the in a world where we are all consuming, unregulated and very inconsistent because we've we've tried so many different types of carts and flour and it's always just all over the board and so the legality side where is this not
legal? So state by state, some states are regulating D8. Very few states are regulating HHC because it's not very big out there. But the way that they're regulating D8 is by creating a classification of regulations. Basically, they're either lumping it with cannabis or they're saying it's not a hemp product, it's not a cannabis product, you can't do it. And that's what they're saying for Delta 8.
But because HHC is kind of in the same category, the assumption is HHC falls under that too and. So but isn't as an assumption right now? Or is it actually like it's? Not written in law. OK, so good the. Federal law is that it's compliant. It's product that of 2018 Farm Bill very clearly states. And cannabis sativa less than 0.3% THC is considered very clearly awesome, So. And we're still not allowed to sell into like 1011 states I
think I saw. So those states have regulated the D8 side of it. Utah is actually one of the only ones that if you go on the cannabis board at List State Station, it's. Says it out there, but. Most of them are basically just saying these synthetic or semi synthetic cannabinoids are a no go. Maybe we could put down the show notes like all the states that we know that those are already legal in right now. It's on their site. I'll just pull it and we'll
throw it on the show. If you order it from that state, it's gonna say sorry, we can't ship the OK. And it is really tough for the consumer because you can Google is HHC legal in my state and you'll get different answers from different websites. Well, and there's other brands out there. There's one brand particular and I don't think I'll drop their names, like literally can't remember it right now. But they advertise a ton on
there. And the way that I, I don't like about it is the way they talk about gummies. I don't know the name, but I know who you're talking. You know I'm talking about and and they'll say, oh, is smoking weed too harsh on you? Well, then eat these edibles. And people who don't understand edibles really need to be able to do their, their research on that one. Because yeah, smoking. Yeah, exactly.
And for a very long time. And that's and if you don't know how to counteract that, that's a horrible ride for somebody who is not understanding. Which we're finding 90% of cannabis users don't know how to counterbalance their high. Yeah, they're like, oh, you just have to buckle up and you're in for the ride. And it's like, have you ever heard of, like, CBD? Yeah. Have you ever heard of, like cooking lemon juice or trying peppercorns or anything else we try to make?
Can bring down your high you. Sit in the couch in their head, shaking, Yeah. And I'm like, why? Why experience that? You can change that experience and make it better. Educate. Right. We got to educate it is and and and bring them in a lot slower, you know, with something little mellower because we're D8 or just go slow, you know, take it easy, you know well and that's what I really like about what
you guys have created. But more than that, I really like what you guys are doing on the regulation side of being able to not necessarily like, look, we're in a world where there's no regulations pretty much. So what? What's the best way to be able to beat that? Have higher standards, have higher standards of productivity, 100 standard, higher standards of of product and not productivity of of being able to create a better product, right.
Across the board, Yeah, exactly. And and when it does go legal nationwide, it'll be better products across the board. Yeah. And so, you know, these guys that want to build facilities or want to get in the industry, hopefully they'll build to a better standard because it's. The technologies here, we can do it. We can do it right now. You know, we could go in any building in the city and build you a end to end automated line to make whichever product you want, but you got to build it at
that high standard. You don't have to spend $100 million like half of these guys do because you're going to go out of business. You're you're going to lose your shirt, you know, spend $5,000,000 on somebody that knows what they're doing. And if not us, somebody else, there are great engineers out there that know how to build these systems. It's just we all kind of got trapped into, oh, it's cannabis, so it's got to be expensive or it's, you know, a German made machine.
So it's worth four times the amount of money, no? Like, it's not BMW, it's just, yeah, you know. Yeah. Yeah, that kind of ties back into the CBD plan that Mark mentioned we're trying to make. It's it really just comes down to that quality control because you, I mean Cocacola for example, they go to the sugar farms and they train their farmers on how to how to make their product. They're not paying them, they're
there. It's their own cost that they know that quality goes into their product and it's very important. We actually don't want to build the facility for ourselves. We will if nobody else does. We want someone to step up and build a facility. The amazing thing is the pricing too. Like CBD. You know what was it $8000? And now it went to one $75175 and back and forth and you go build $150.00, A $150 million plan you will never break even at $200.00. A key the.
Business thought it worked when it was $10,000 a key. But guess what? If you use the same equipment from other industries and you build an automated system, you can make a very healthy profit margin at $200. Very healthy, a very successful business and have consistent product all the way through and the grows are the same way. That hydroponic facility in Arizona was amazing and the cost was 1/5 of what these guys are building it for because you know, they go buy grow lights from.
Yeah, it's ridiculous. And you're like you can get these same. Like basically almost the exact same lumens and the same quality. $0.20 on the. Yeah. And you're like, why pay that? Yeah. Why are you spending 510 times as much to start your business when it's not needed, right? And then that hurts. Yeah, the rest of the your. Overhead, your margins, everything. And everyone else is like, oh shit, well, we gotta be in the
same market. And the biggest part there that we've seen and it's really why the industry is the stated is now all this low quality crappy D8, all this kind of stuff is because you don't have money leftover after that to maintain quality. So you. Shuttle all the. Money there and the consumer gets shunted away. They good luck to them well and that's why we have such inconsistency of brands.
I mean that's that's what companies want when you bring up Cocacola. Like, you know, I was thinking about McDonald's. McDonald's actually put so much into the only buy Russet potatoes from Idaho. And they have to be a certain length and if they have any blemishes, they're completely just jettison, even though they're good potatoes, like no high quality, high standard. There has to be a consistency, which is hilarious.
The McDonald's is going to have such a high quality and high standard for a consistency of a French fry that is cooked to perfection for you. And sold less than a dollar. Yeah, but it's the same French fry here as it is in India as it is in Antarctica. It doesn't matter which is. CBD Because I. Will say my French fries for McDonald's and London tasted like cabbage. Hmm, what? Well, it is. It could have been what you smoked before you went in. I didn't. Smoke, anything.
I was at an age that I didn't partake of anything, so it was that. It was that impact, but it goes back to the to the cannabis industry. If you have that same type of consistency for your products, you will have that same consistency of consumers they're going to keep coming back to. Now you're being able to lower your cost per unit over time by being able to have the right systems in place like you guys are able to help provide.
Then also giving them the right guidance on products that they can buy. Just it doesn't have to be name brand, it can be the brands that are actually going to last the best based upon what you guys have experienced. There's just a consistency. You're going to build a longterm market. When we look at it, what how many billion dollars are they estimating the cannabis industry by 2030? No, CBD is 29 1/2 I think and that's. Just CBD, just CBD.
Imagine that right now I'm calling out to those manufacturers of any type of cannabis brand. What if you had that same consistency for your products? What if you were able to develop that one? What are you going to do for that? Because for me, like this is one of my favorite ones. It was a long time ago and I was talking to my wife and she says, you know, Advil is better than the Kirkland brand of ibuprofen. And I was like, no, that this exact same thing.
She goes, no, I swear by it. And so that goes back to it. You know, I'm, I'm a marketing individual. I'm always thinking about that. What is going to convince the consumer? Well, the consumer convinces the consumer. So if they believe it's the best product, it will always be the best product. We have cart brands that we absolutely love and we're like, never ever do. They give us an inconsistent feel. Awesome. I will. I will. If anything else, I will buy that car.
Is it more expensive? That's fine, because I know what I'm going to get from that. I wish that that was the exact same way. And you know, if if you're listening to this or you're watching this, you need to go check out Wendy Jane. We'll have the link down there below and you guys need to go, not just check this out, buy it. Help out with those images. They're amazing. Honestly, I think it's worth checking out. If you wanna function or you're stay at home mom, stay at home
dad, whatever. These things would be great. They're dope. Or even if you're at work this is so clear headed and just relax takes that edge off. You could still get everything done. I think the only negative part was when I was playing a video game, I just didn't want to play it anymore. I was like, dude, I'm just, so I'm just going to go do something else. Makes you lazy.
Yeah, Or you got to do a little better at the video game, you know, It was just, I was, I just felt really happy on it. Like my wife's like, hey, you want to go shopping? I mean, I know it sounds stupid. It's like, no, it sounds like a great date. Let's go. She's like, you're OK. And I'm like, yeah, I eat one of these. She goes, do you see half? And I'm like, no, I just popped the whole thing.
And she goes, oh, you know, you're a little sensitive to that as a. Man, that wants to go shopping. That is a whole new level of food shopping. That is like, the best, it's the best recommendation we've ever got. Yeah, because my wife, she knows I don't like going. But I hate shopping. I absolutely hate. But I was just like, yeah, she's like, what do you think about this? I'm like, we haven't tried that before. Let's try that out. Let's try that out.
She goes, I like you on this. So like, Oh yeah, it's it's just a really consistent and I and I've done it twice and I felt great on it both times. And if I wanted the ride to be over, I just took a large dose of CBD, high quality CBD, and I within about 10-15 minutes I felt a little less and I was like, ah, cool, but it didn't go away completely. It's just less relaxed, No, just for me. What happened is, is that it it started to get more and more and I was like literally too relaxed.
And for me, I don't like being too relaxed. I'm an edgy guy and I'm always constantly like, I need that edge. But if I'm at home, if I'm chilling, this is great on a movie, especially if you don't want to watch a movie with the family because you're just like, I don't want to do that. Hey, go eat one of these and you're gonna feel great, because it did. A lot of people say that sleeping like Wendy the That was my wife, my wife. Wendy takes one every night, and
she slips. I can turn on the TV and turn on the radio. I can play video game. She. Out all night long. She loves it. And you know we we never make claims like take it for sleep or anything like that. We say give it a try see what it does for you. Take a small dose, take it a little more, take you know, ease yourself into this thing and. Give it I started two different times of 20 milligrams before I jump to 60, so yeah.
Well, and and the great thing, what we learned today, if you are going on a tea break, this is a great product to be able to try out. Yeah, that's. If you want to get off alcohol. For opioids, that's true. It's a great way to do it. And you know. Yeah, I helped the family with that. Much cleaner. So if you're trying to quit, you know, maybe check out some of these. There's too many changes. Something lighter? I wouldn't quite say it's weed light because that's D8, right?
You guys. Yeah, yeah, yeah, from that. No, there's something a bit more. Just mellow, Yeah. Mellow is good. It's very mellow. It's it's not, it's not too intense. It doesn't get to that point where it's too intense. Yeah, if you ate the whole bag. I mean one. You hit yourself with a hammer because you're an idiot. Yeah, like, I don't understand people doing that because the loser, what? I would have eaten the whole bag. I you can eat the whole bag. But I'm saying, you know, it's
it's just typical with with new. I just didn't know how the. Canada, the bigger me 25 milligram once and then you can take the whole bag. If I had known what the experience was like and that I would have taken all 100 milligrams, but because I'm not familiar with the compound, your products or anything, I might yeah, I'm gonna start with 20 and see how it feels. That's the. Best way to do it? I mean, that's kind of what we tell people too. If you're a brand new user, take
half a gummy chancellor. You won't feel it, but that's fine. Just do it again tomorrow. Exactly. It's like, it's so much better for you to not feel it than it is for you to go, man, I was it was way too much, right? And then you're like, OK, well, I didn't feel that. So now I can take a little bit more next time. And that goes back to what you mentioned earlier, where a lot of people think edibles is the
best way to start. Really, it's vaping or dabbing or something Because you can maybe not dabbing, but you can control the dosage. You can have .1 gram, like .1 micrograms at a time. Yeah, it's very, it's much more maintainable, I would say. And you can kind of wait. And the experience comes down faster than it does with edibles. So you know you're not in it for 3 to 8 hours, you're in it for 30 minutes to 2 hours. Depends. But your grandma's scared of that, right? Your grandma?
No. Or my dad is scared of death, of smoking, right? She won't. Yeah, my grandma won't smoke. So I'm from Utah. We're like fifth generation religious people from here. And so of course it's very taboo. My parents, they won't ever smoke. They won't do any of that. But I now have gotten both my mom, my dad, my grandma to take cannabinoids in edibles or tinctures or something like that for pain.
Chronic pain's been the only thing that's been their thing for that because they don't take medicine for anything. It sucks to get old too. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it does get. Those pains and a little bit of relief. Well, you don't want to admit it either, but once you look in the mirror and you're like, that's a lot of Gray shit. Yeah, but I agree. I always tell people, especially within the the the common faith in here in Utah. I mean, I'm, I'm involved in
that one. And I actually get more people converted over there. They're like, oh, I'm going to try edible. I'm like, no, you're not. No, you're not. You're going to go buy a half cram cart and you're going to meet up with me and we'll go through this and you're going to get over this, feel that you're doing something wrong because it doesn't say Marlboro on the end of that. And so, you know, I was a former smoker for years, especially in the military. Military goes hand in hand. Right.
Is this like, especially during, you know, different times? You served in the military during the 80s and I served it in the late 90s. It's it was so common. I don't know what it's like now. It's probably just all vape pens, yeah? And I wish we would have had these because I was in school and they we, I mean packs and packs a day. If you got them, smoke them.
And they passed a law. I think Clinton passed the law that they eliminated it in training and they came down the barracks and dragging trash cans. Everybody had to throw their cartons of cigarettes in. Holy cow. That was a rough two weeks because you got 100 guys that all of a sudden stop smoking. It would have been great to have anything in there to give him some really. It would have probably done me better. I remember after boot camp, I mean, you couldn't have any smokes.
And then all of a sudden we get over there to a school over there in Great Lakes, Michigan, or Great Mistakes Michigan, if you guys know what I'm talking about. And I got a pack and the first hit, I was like spinning and felt sick. And I'm like I should stop doing this. And the other guy goes don't be a pussy, get another 1. So it's like it's so weird.
But it it's because of those negative connotations from smoking cigarettes for so long that people are like, I'm, I'm very adverse to it that that that's bad. Nancy Reagan's in their head don't use it. They just say no but it's it's so much better. But again, using something like this, extremely mild. Helps you to feel that one and it's just a great gate, but there's just so many different ways to look at any type of cannabis product, especially this.
Keep it into your your like little pharmacy cabinet that you have. Like I have my bag where I know everything is for. That's for headaches, that's for nausea, that's, that's for energy, that's for sleep, right. So it's for a little bit of fun. Yeah, exactly right. This is for me to chill out. This is right there at the bottom of it. By going look, I I've got stuff to do today. But I've got pain or I'm just not feeling amazing right now. I need a little bit of an edge
off. This would be a fantastic program for that, yeah. Yeah, recommend it. And if your guys need help on the other side, we're we're always available to help. We we love helping people. We talk to anybody. I mean, it's it's an education game. That's all this this whole thing we're doing is because these things have always been around, but nobody knows what they are. And now we got to tell people they're available, they're safe, they're.
There something you can use to deal with the issues that you're having every single day and you didn't even know it was there? Yeah, you just have to trust that what it is is safe. And I'm not saying trust anyone. You gotta find someone. Trustworthy and then go forward. And keep doing building the science so we have that data so we can't reach your dream of. I think that would be amazing. But it's you know it's sky dreams. That's where I. Want it to get? That's pretty cool, though.
You step into a booth and they go OK, and you come out of it and they've got a cart and a gummy made for you. Guess the booth and you walk out nice and toasted. I could like that. I'll be down with that. It would. Be so cool. OK, well so check out the show notes. You want to be able to get in touch with these guys to be able to help out your facility. Fantastic. Go over there, check them out. Well worth it. Second part, check out the edibles. Yeah, we'll have the link over there.
Go there, buy them, check them out. Especially for those family members who are just a little bit more skittish about trying it, but they're like, hey, you seem like you're having a good time. Actually, if you're super anxious, this is probably the best thing for you. Yeah, I would check it out because you don't get the anxiety that can't come from an edible. This is like none in your head, so you're very clear you don't have. I can kind of tell like you can feel a little bit.
I also puffed on He had that D8D9 pen and that one puff. I mean, it's not a puff, it's. Oh yeah, You had it in the Zenko. Yeah, definitely. But that, like, I can already fill the difference. And it was like, oh man, that's really. Well, the combination so clean. Consistent products. Make great products. Yeah, because I am. I've been a hard no on Delta 8 since.
Nope. Since we tried the last and because the last ones, we went to the last cannabis event here in Utah. Yeah, to a year and a half ago, something like that. And there was a bunch of companies giving samples and stuff. Tried a bunch of them. And I'm like, yeah, no, I don't like this at all. This is a horrible experience. I don't think I would recommend this to someone. Just filled in. And then all all these other people like, oh, I love it. I'm like, that might be your
jam. It is not mine. Yeah. All right. Needs to be clean and consistent no matter what it is, right? Clean and consistent. All right. When you guys heard it here, check it out and we'll see you guys next week. Awesome.