Cannabis School Presents - Moxie Utah

Welcome to cannabis school. I'm your host Jessie Angeles and I'm Brandon Elder and we're here to talk to you about everything pertaining to cannabis from bait, flower Edibles, strains and everything in between. Welcome back, everybody, thanks for joining us this week. We're actually going to be meeting with Frank and Alex from Moxie and we're just going to jump right in. I've heard good things about

logic. Yeah, I just haven't used it pretty much at Full Sail, like, everyone just went to school, there to learn how to make dubstep. That was pretty metal everyone there. If it was 100 people in class, there was a hundred people where I'm like Beats by Dre. Making dubstep beats in that cloud. That party was ten years before that. It was all wrap. Everybody wanted to be a replica 2003. Yeah, putting myself. Yeah. So, do you do you still have some of your Beats?

Then, yeah, just make music now. Like produce fire. Yeah, well thanks, nice. Iced. I like used to rap. I did it for 15 years. I was trying to actually seriously make it and I just wasn't making money. I wasn't happy started working for Moxie and I made a decision to focus on that, right? Instead of performing on stage every night making 50 bucks.

So let's go into that, you know. So so if you kind of left steered me in a different direction, so what will one of those opportunities were just kind of presented yourself and you're like, hey, they're hiring and I'm going to get into there, or you had interest. No, so, I knew the people that were running Moxie but they lived in another state. Eight and I was in Vegas. So just kind of like my divine

intervention. I met somebody that worked at the Moxie Vegas location, he offered me a job on the spot so I was like yeah you know, started packaging labeling, $12 an hour, learn from the ground up, moved his extraction, distillation marketing and then sells the journey? Yeah, yeah. Started off as a rapper and now you're like us. Be cool. Now, I'm selling started from the bottom. Now we're here, I'm just doing it because I was also a rapper at Full Sail. Wait, wait works.

I have a, what were your wrapper names, Go? I mean, you can still find me Anglo-Saxon angle of sack Anglo-Saxon. Yeah, it's a play on words. You can pull it up right now. All right. Well, not, you know, that's all that, but yeah. You know, it is what it is. No no I mean I mean I'm just going to put it over there in my playlist. I mean I'm not going to play right now. We'll probably have to put a sample in there and show notes. Oh yeah. Well throw down some sure.

I mean, only if you down with anyone if it brings into that will see ya, I'll say I'll text you over, you know. The website. Yeah, there we go. Yeah, throw that in there and I was in a group. I'm gonna I'm going to refrain from saying the name of this group that good. Huh? That, well, I'm not afraid of the music. It's just, I was in it. It's like, you know, when you're, you have like a friendship and it's like, then

that friendship separates. So it's like that group was like me and a friend who I'm no longer. So by choice, you know? Yeah. And so it's like, Yeah. No, look up that if you want to look up some music, I did check out Recon because when I was even younger before College, I was in a hardcore band, a straight edge hardcore band that and we toured all around the u.s. all around Europe Canada. So that was fun for real. That's awesome. So I went from being a lead

singer of a straight edge band. Every night just preaching the good word of don't do drugs, don't smoke, don't you know, all this stuff and then a few cannabis cups, later this is known for something else, you know, he was there. Holy cow. I saw you were you had like your first tour that you did around the u.s. when back in? Was it before 2014? Yeah, for sure? Yeah. Yeah. Because in 14. I would have been in California and so when I was in Recon, that was 2008.

Maybe and that's when, you know, I was 20 years old in a van touring around the country. Just screaming at people for 30 minutes a night. Does that feel like a whole nother lifetime ago? Absolutely. Absolutely. So I'm totally here so you straight edge and I'm very familiar straight edge. Yeah. I mean pretty intense people? Yeah. But What was that? What brought you over to to the world of cannabis well, so

breaking Edge right, big deal. Like I had a but I have a bunch of straight edge tattoos, you know so it's like it was very weird but I when you're like twenty one twenty two which that's the age when I kind of made this decision. It's like everyone, you know, is out drinking like that's what people are doing. So it's being straight edge. Socially is like Terrible decision because you essentially are going. I want no friends. I'd like to have none. Yeah.

And the ones that I'd like to have are crazy you know where I'll be the DD wish terrible, right. Like you're always that guy and it's like No And so you know, I was almost 22 and I was like, I was like this just isn't seeming like a good decision for social life and all this stuff and so I was like screw it. Like I'm gonna start drinking so I started going out, drinking at the bar with my And you know, I'm drunk one night. Someone pulls out a bowl and

they're like passing it around. And it was like the one thing that I was like, really nervous about it was like drinking is no big deal, everybody drinks. But the weed thing I do know and then trying lead for the first time I was drunk. Didn't really get it. You know, I was like, oh, whatever. I didn't even know if I felt anything and then the first time I ever it was like three times, trying weed. Later, I smoked out of a bong and then we went for a drive. And I was just out and Main

driving on these roads. Next to these Farms, with these cows, laughing my ass off. And I was like, I get it, finally, I get it. And then from then on, it was like, it was right before my 21st, or 22nd birthday, and I was like, for my birthday. I'm going to buy a big old bag of weed. This shit's awesome. You know, like so from then on it was it was game over. That was it. So then you started to I mean I can imagine the evolution of your personality.

Over that period of time. Because yeah it's like when I when I was another podcast we're talking about that like be life before. Cannabis is typically one of a lot of anger. Yeah. A lot of just trying to make sure that everybody knows that you're not. You're not a punk. Yeah, you know you got something to prove, especially being from the East Coast, right? Frank can relate.

Oh, for sure, being up in New York or being up in Maine, like going to, you know, being in the hardcore scene, like, I went to a lot of shows in Massachusetts. Boston and stuff like that. And then, the band I was in was from New York is from Albany. So that's a very rough place as well. And yeah, going from that to being smoking cannabis. Now, the personality change was huge, huge like, people who knew that version of me who see me again.

Now are like, dude, you're like a totally different person, totally different and even just from like because then you go to La and all that Fades away. And you turn an asshole again, believe isn't enough to buffer. What l.a. does to people, right? So that's where shrooms comes. Yeah, that's where she was coming for. Sure, for sure. Because we just isn't enough anymore. But yeah, I mean it's the personality changes canvas alone. I mean it was, it was huge.

Yeah. It's a similar story for you. Frank, what do you mean like I mean have you always consume cannabis? Oh yeah for real when you start, how Probably 14. What got you into cannabis and 14, just being shared a blunt or do we? I don't know. I just I remember that far back. We're getting like, it was 10 bucks and then I remember like I couldn't control it. I don't know how to smoke is. So the guy actually rolled it for me, you know.

Pause, cool, right? He was a couple years older than me. Yea, same block. So I was like alright, cool, so and then I got one of my friends. No, We snuck into this, this like this kids baseball field thing, you know, like and we went to a Dugout right on defense were like we're gonna smoke this shit. Yeah, yeah. We're smoking in red clay pitch black, right and both of us, Like nothing, you know, and then all of a sudden I look at him and I'm like, hey, can you feel your legs like know?

So then you know, we freaked out after that. Right course. And I think I went to my house later that night, I was so stoned, and my mother looked at me and jokingly. She's like, did you smoke a lot of weed tonight? Yeah, I'm super high. I'm going upstairs. God, my mom. So chill. You know, I tell her that's what this day. I remember that day. She's like, no, no, like, little portion. As I remember, she was probably high to, I know, right? It's funny for you though. That is a moment.

You never going to forget in your life never and nobody else will. I know that honey is it she's giving me the out, right? Yeah, but she just joking around. She's joking, right? That's hilarious. Right. What are the odds that sauce is so from, then on your You just seem like just consuming because it just. Yeah. What is it had to? Well, I mean, at first, it's like a skate but what else? Yeah, I was just experimenting, right? Yeah, like and then what you got to understand?

I went to high school in South Carolina, the weed options and like 99 it was like pretty minimal brick weeds seeds and sticks and not you know. No, I got some of that once. Yeah. Yeah. Can the day? Yeah, it's big headache. It wasn't till Florida. For the college where I started seeing like different types of strains like you know, kind bud or creating, you know they used to call it that right.

What will be stirs, bro, these days yesterday in the Northeast dude, if you had the good weed as be stirs route, every time. Funny? Yeah we've all come like small yeas and one way or another it going. Yeah. Hmm. What's that? I mean yeah, picking up notes of Seth's that cherries were made. So funny now because we're so spoiled, we really are. I mean I love this world.

It covid-19 ask though, because going to a dispensary, you go to all these ones before where you could smell it and yes and then covid hit and you're like six feet behind the counter and they're like well wafted it, you will tell you what it smells like because they're like a little fan but this one's. Yeah, that would have been a better idea. I literally would go to shopping Denver.

And they would hold the jar open and then with like a piece of paper that was laminated, they would like waft towards you. It's like this isn't there? I don't know. He's okay. It was a scary time covid in Vegas in the Cannabis industry. Real mm. Yeah, so what I used to do for Moxie's kind of like Marketing sales where I would just do pop-ups, right? Yeah, let's go to place to place every day and just do that.

But I remember when they shut down, literally a dispensary like shut down while I was working removed. All the customers bills like a major freakout moment. It was lines of people at every dispensary trying to get weed. When nobody knew? Yeah, it was I was stocking up. I mean, I was buying shit that I would never. I thought it was considered one of the essentials that was, uh, yeah. Okay, yes. Steamed afterwards though afterwards, right?

So then place is open back up with restrictions, but there was a bit of those, like, a good, like two, three days where I was like, oh, I'm not gonna smoke weed for a while. Like I was getting worried, you know, but I was like well I'm Really Gonna my worrying about like a little cranky but it's still nice to have 100%. So Man, where else would we be able to find Moxie? What states are Moxie in California? That's where it all started. West Coast West Coast right? I mean California here

obviously. Pennsylvania and Missouri really weirdly in Missouri. Yeah cool. So that's that's pretty fresh yeah. Just like here freshest to be okay. Cool. He has been about two years in, Missouri them. No years, not like two months. Oh shoot. Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, bring it so knowing where we're at and the different. Contrast what's been the? Let's start with the Positive. What's been the positive of being in Utah with a cannabis company leading the way instantly?

Because there were no like when I moved here in February, I was told. So I asked, what do you have for concentrates on the shelf right now and they go? Well, we have XYZ things and I was like well no, no like dho and they're like oh nothing And it's like, that's what I heard everywhere. And I was like, wait, this is no one and Utah. Smoke boil like no one's making BHO and all these people have licenses to do it and just note that no one's chosen to do it. Let's go.

So, the second we got here and put products on the Shelf, it was like, I guarantee you people that have had a card that hadn't used it and we're just driving across the border to buy oil. I have for the first time in who knows how long renewed their med card and Utah to By jove here and it's like now you're seeing a little bit more BHO. But it's, I mean, if you go on the Shelf, like we were saying before we started recording like even a lot like we're white labeling, a lot of stuff.

So a lot of the stuff that's not in a Moxie box is still made it. Our lab says right on the box powered by Moxie, so it's like that's bad ass, you know, even if it's not Moxie, it's Moxie, you know what? You have to understand, Alex, right? He's one of the co-founders and he He he's like, the originator of cannabis oil, funny story, my first dab was something that he made, which I didn't even know

him right across state lines. And that's how I fell in love with cannabis even more some concentrates. Yeah, so when did you first start making concentrates? So I started making console. It was funny story, like I was growing, so are one of the founders, fill his company before Moxie was called HGH, and it was him as other dude.

I was working for them growing. In this other dude, Terry who's one of the other Moxie Founders was doing the extracts and also handle the bunch of the grow houses like away from LA area. And so one day me and him were working in the same place.

He's doing the extraction, I was handling some gross stuff and he was just like, man, this sucks and I was like what and he was like, I don't want to do extract, he's like I just want to grow, he's like I hate all this stuff and I was like Teach me how to do it. Like, I've never had tea will trade growing for me. I'm like you prefer. Yeah, traction, put me in the lab, dude. You know what I mean? It seems like way more my speed

of things. And so, he essentially just over the couple weeks, couple months, like taught me everything, he knew, and we were still doing extraction and like, we had the pot, the vacuum pot, you know, we didn't have across International vacuum ovens or anything like that. And then everything was open blasting in a garage.

You know it's like it was sketchy and so we move from that to where we have this facility and our CEO Jordan just buys a used Precision px1 brings it to the lab one day and he's like set it up dope and I'm like okay and like we go to Vegas and we visit some someone else had bought a px 1 and they were setting it up and they were getting taught how to use it and I like watched from a distance and then went back to LA. Two together started doing closed-loop extraction.

And that's, that's when everything changed. Like, as soon as we started doing closed-loop extraction, like it went from being top 10, it all the Cannabis cups to being top three every time. Like, every time we answered something, it was going to be on the podium for sure. Yeah, I saw you were taking first place or really top back since 2014. Yeah. Before that. Yeah. I think 14 was maybe the first time we won something.

Like I think we got third. Place with lemon cookies which is just I mean that oil was so greasy. It was so delicious. How you wanna first place at the first ever hit man, chalice? Yeah California. Yeah, that was an interesting night. It just being like, yeah, this is great. I think I know where I am. Like, was it a person who was hand presenting the award or was it that point? Well, massive. So, some other type of creature. Well, no, it was a person, but imagine chalice like it was a

music festival. So we get on stage and it's like thousands of people can imagine what the light. Yeah. Yeah. That's just like, and so I just have the sunglasses on with this big grin. Like, all right, you know, But that was an interesting night, man. It's great being able to win those things, but it's about more people using your product. Yes. And loving your problem. Yeah, yeah. That's his focus is to give like a safe and renewable cannabis Source. Yo, what have you guys found?

That creates such a safe product for moxie? Well, I can just say one word, terpenes go into that, I'm here, Jim. Just that's, we are known for tariffs and testing and showing what's in there. And that's, you know, like you were saying earlier before, like you would totally against smoking anything that doesn't have reliable test results and stuff like that like on the same way. And like when we got here to like we noticed almost no one's testing for what terpenes are in

the products of the right. And it's like that's so ridiculous because Like in California, you going to a shop and I guarantee you they're going to have Gorilla Glue, they're going to have blue dream. They're going to have all these things. That doesn't mean it's those things. That just means they called some weed that stuff. And if they're not testing the terpenes and you can't see what's in there. They can go ahead and do that.

They can call it whatever. And, and like, we were saying box, he likes to call you, we use a lot of crazy names. We're not using these like, you know, strains that have been around for forever. Like because one know, Once that stuff anyway and two it's more fun to just make something like just like a fun brand like a brand looks nice and it looks like something you want to be a part of.

So constrain names and the way that the way that, you know, it is what you want and it is going to do the things you want is with that terpene test because you know, okay. It's got x amount of Mercy, an x amount of this x amount of that. Those are exactly the things I'm looking for not, hey, I'm looking for Gorilla Glue. Yeah. Like, that doesn't do anything. Because from called hard, To cultivar, that's going to be different total, you know, even from location to location. Totally.

So, from sea to Sea. Yeah, well, everyone out here is growing Autos so it's like we'll get a whole Harvest of the same strain and every batch terpene test is wildly different. Yeah completely it's really. I'm seeing serves I've never seen before. Yeah. In this state interesting. Yeah. What are the some of the terpenes that you found coming? And you tell one of them like the big one is signing so we're getting sighs I mean right as a terp to in hide amount decent

amounts, right? So I'm like what is I mean? Right? That's testing for it. So I started researching it right and I find out has all these good properties, you know? I mean just like another turquoise, right? But this one is specific. For what was about cancer. Yeah, it was like like brain cancer specific like Auntie brain tumor type of her. It was is very weird at all these really weird.

I'm sure he's looking it up right now and yeah, haha smoke quite a lot in the last hour so I can't remember everything. There's so much information that you consume that. Sometimes it's just hard to recall it instantaneously because this is exactly what that is. Especially, we're looking to see These test results all day every day. Oh yeah. But that, that really does separate. I mean we've, you know, brand and I have had our fair share of legal and black market cards. Sure.

And the funny thing is that, you know, some of the black market carts, we've had have been so consistent. Yeah, flavor Terps. Well, they're made by people who smoke cannabis, right? But then you'll get another, you'll get another one. Where they all taste the same and you're like hmm. Yeah Seasons just plant plant derived Harps from whatever yep not necessarily directly from that plant and that for me it's just like you. Yeah sure you're going to get maybe a little light-headed.

Maybe you're going to feel a little energized but the consistency and just like you saying like having your own name she's just saying look I we don't we can't necessarily Call It Whatever you write because it doesn't have the same

properties. Like One of my favorite strains you know Pineapple Express and I will have it somewhere and I'll feel like amazing sativa and the next time it's more hybrid into cleaning dominant and I'm like yeah whoa this is totally different because that's a super popular name for people to just throw on right. Whatever you know what I mean. Oh wow Blue Dream biggest culprit on that right this guy loves blue green. Oh I do too dude I think I've

posted to memes in my life. Both of them were Eating on Blue Dream, I hate blue, Jerry, Lee, blue dream and green crack. If those trains for some reason just disappeared disappeared from existence we'd be in a just a way better world. That's some strong words. Why they're just terrible. Like you could be Like what's the lowest recorded IQ ever? Because you could be one of the Jenners, isn't it? You could be that guy here. I think maybe probably you could

be that guy. You could have the lowest recorded IQ in human history and grow three pounds of light, green crack and blue dream. He's 0 for 200, but nobody in recorded history is found that. So then give me the answer of what's actually been found. I bet it's probably a six, some dues Lori's overlooked 75%, this has Picture of some of Caitlyn Jenner. My cat just did this film tell he's walking around with his mouth, open smoking, Blue Dream.

Just going yeah this is awesome. That's hilarious. This is pretty terrible, I don't know either but I'm telling you it's just those things. It's like really like basic beginner stuff where it's like, I gave that that number six, some form cookies and said grow this he'd never he could. Could possibly he'd be getting like a quarter pound of light, you know. And it's like there's just levels to certain strains and like your ability to like control them and grow them properly.

So you're still getting crazy yields whereas like just you could not try and get 3 pounds of light off those strains. So people get like have this crazy idea that they're great girl or something. So it's one of the like highest yielding ones out there. Yeah.

That's why people grow it too. Because then it's like, okay, I know I'm going to get my money's worth out of this girl where Get form, cookies and go even if I do a perfect job, maybe I get a pound and a half for light like I don't want that because they want to get the numbers. But the thing is some of that pound and a half of that. Could be really dangerous. Yeah. Yeah. Some of the top shelf stuff, this has amazing terpene profiles, that's what kind of Moxie's is really known for its

small batches. Yep. That's what really makes us and will bite. The bullet will grow some Tangi. That's only going to yield garbage on the flower side. Garbage on the oil side and will still grow it. Because it's fire. Yo usee Angie is fire that, don't love Tangi. Yeah, shut up. You had a lot of challenges if I don't say shout out the enemy gets super.

Oh he's a few errands. Going from flower we talking about your guys is extraction process and that the amount of attention that you give to it. Yeah. Why do you feel that? Why do you feel that? It's not being. Given the proper attention to by other two, other extractions. I mean, it could be a million

different things. If I just had to like randomly, go on a rant and guess, right now, I would say that like, I just come from a generation that pays more attention to the small things and especially like I come from East Coast. Like I'm not from California and like a lot of the people I saw doing stuff they were just interested in it for the lifestyle and not really like they were making good stuff.

They knew what they were doing but it was really about the lifestyle of like I'm an extractor in California and that's why they were doing it. Whereas for me like I knew being in Moxie we were going to enter cups and if we were going to do that I wanted to win. So I was like what is the fourth? Like, because we were getting the same flowers. Everybody else, we're getting Crockett stuff. We're getting the strawberry banana, the lemon skunk and so was Nature's lab.

So was everybody else in California? And so it was like, Because there was a lot of times we'd enter and didn't win and so it was just figuring out like okay, what are the variables? What are the tiny little

adjustments? I have to make to be better than them with the same shit and then once I figured that out like how to make all these small tiny little adjustments and it was everything from like watching, like cooking shows and like seeing how they control the temperature of like I would like an egg yolk is cooking and I'd like okay I can use that like I can take that back and bring it to the lab and I can make this Batter batter, you know what I mean?

And so it's just like, it's doing stuff like that over and over and over again. And then you go from like top 10, top 5 and then it's like, okay, I'm finally like going home with metals and cups, you know, that's awesome. Yeah. But it's like are in that like fine-tuning. Yeah, you know, and then it's that Pursuit for that dumb little cup that translates into like okay, now all our patients have the most fire stuff because I want on this wild pursuit to make sure I won.

This friggin Gold Cup. So what's your next Wild Pursuit for Moxie? I mean being here at my in Utah for me, it's perfect. So I want to make sure that we are name brand. Like when people like you know how like people say Q-tips but that's a brand that's not what that thing is, right? That's what I want people to refer to oil as I want you know the Moxie stuff and they don't even mean the brand they just mean yeah this is how ya like Some trade. That's the goal. Yeah. That's fucking cool.

I'll Google it's a term. Yeah, I'm gonna go batty. Rocks, anoxia. Alright. That's what it's gonna look like. I've literally want people to walk into a shop. Be like, I want one of these Moxie's and they've just talking about oil, you know, it's funny. The that used to happen in Vegas all of the time when they would be a general thing, you know, like you say Kleenex. Yeah. Yeah. I was just thinking Kleenex,

right. Yeah. It just goes in and that's awesome to hear that because Any of the brands are just like I just want to sell as much as I don't give a shit with the name is. I don't care what the Yeah that doesn't matter and it's so does matter to the consumer, you know? I mean like one of the cool things and for all those listening and we were fortunate to be able to protect of these amazing carts, cool design by the way that's fresh with these

people. So we know they consume they're like actually artificially people and man, I got to tell you, I mean, just going into you know. People talk about the batteries in the cards that aren't really important, but there's only a few Brands out there that I go. Oh yeah, you there's an experience with it. Yes, like that. That just so nice. Yeah, I mean, but the the duck? No. But, I mean, just thinking about the design everything like that. This wasn't done on just whatever's available.

Yeah, so I mean with this the dart this thing is sick. It's literally like the Cadillac of batteries and yeah, I know these aren't out yet, aren't they? No, no. There used to be. Yes. I mean in Cali. Yes. In cap. So they're available in Kauai yet believe so. Yeah honey. When you toss to put a picture up there on the I don't show no but I'm thinking you guys know. Is it months? How weeks out if this month this month, you're releasing the darpa's this month.

And the best thing about it is is any Utah patients listening. The battery is going to be free, we're not going to charge anybody for the battery. Yeah. We literally have enough for every single patient and state. So if we can hook every single patient of just got to go buy a

van which is you buy a pod. Yeah, battery there have Grandpa's. That's you know yeah so a price points will be a little cheaper because it's less you know but we have four different flavors initially launching so also the ones that we've tried tonight. Have been. Oh amazing. But the cool part is is just there's a lot of care and love that goes into designing something such as this and then being bold enough to Say, like, look just by the Pod, get the battery.

Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I don't know any more about batteries out of time. Yeah, same. I agree to try. Nobody wants another battery. Yeah, so many but you guys, maybe not don't realize what you thought isn't realize. There's not that many compared to the no. There isn't. Right. There's only how many pots systems are here in Utah, or probably.

Yeah many. But, regardless, it's still another proprietary thing that you gotta buy and you got to Subscribe to but no one's giving it to you except Moxie. Yeah, yeah, exactly. That's what the weight in it. I mean, I've tried other ones, I'm not a fan. I mean I am. It was okay. I had stood Izzy and and this is a review show so it doesn't really matter. They can get pissed. They like but there's no weight to it. Yeah. And I found myself. Receding it all the time and I did it wouldn't.

Yeah, it wouldn't work and but this is like a good weight to it. This is something that you're just going to Drop on the ground. Yeah. And be like oh that's cool. Let's get another one. Like this. Is some exactly like oh man. Don't ruin my Moxie. Yeah, right. Yeah, I like it. I love it because don't teach her to say that he are above oxy. If This falls and over there I'm going to be upset yo because I can't I can't I can't enjoy this

with anything else. Yeah so that it gives so much exclusivity to that to that customer going. Yeah. I mean I I'm in the hole in it right now, my hand out. Just like, I just like it there. It's just like, it's a fidget spinner, it's everything there. But it's just like, I know exactly what this gives me is the experience. It's not. Yeah, I'm just going to get high. Yep, you know, I want an experience and being able to look at the design, the features of that one.

The boldness of being able to give that said a lot about the brand and they're really about the consumer and that's just V10. I know. I get this kind of so Frank, you seem like you puff all day. Like I do have you figured out How long the battery on this last year? That battery can last a good three, four days. Yeah, to be honest, I still go through the Pod before the battery dies for no shit. Yeah, yeah I'm impressed because that never happened Jimmy.

Yeah, I will 100% burn through my battery before. My card has ever gone really. Oh yeah, I have yeah this will change you. Yeah, I'm excited. Charge It Up full and then I guarantee you'll finish the Pod way but you'll finish two pods before. That sounds like you smoke more than I do and I'm sure you can finish this whole pot in a day I could.

But I don't I limit myself and that's why I also use flour and tinctures and other stuff because yeah, if I do I'll just blow through one in the day and Omer only limiting myself right now because I just had surgery but otherwise I would be smoking way more. II, am I am absolutely impressed and just, you know, for those that are listening and I mean, we have big areas out there, you know, our Cali people, would love you, we talking about this, get out there.

Get these, get these new darts. If you guys got the darts, man, you guys are lucky for those Utah. People that listen to us. It's kind of this, this is for you guys launching these in Pennsylvania and Missouri's. Well, I mean others day. Besides Missouri has gotten these darts. Oh hello. Right now long before us. Yeah. Utah for we're a little slow. Well we just launched two months ago. No, I meant you tons. Yeah. Slow on the pickup but I mean there's amount of time. Yeah.

It is right. Just like you gotta count for jet lag. Yeah. Yeah, this has been amazing. You know, one of the things that guys, I mean, we got to know each other a little bit personally before we got into this and I just appreciate the hell you guys really, really, really care about the product because you are the product and to really cannabis companies that have we've seen, come and go. They're all about that. Just chasing the coin. But man, it says something to us as consumers.

We have a real good connection with the products. We have just like we were talking about Kleenex, you know. Yep. It becomes that. And this This is got that amazing feel. Oh yeah. Well thank you, man. Yeah. Sweet with Moxie. Obviously you like creating doing your own strains? Everything like that. Do you have a favorite concoction? Yeah. So back in the day, when I lived on Jordans couch, he's our CEO.

This all started just like a seed company that we had in one of the extra bedrooms in our house in North Hollywood. And so in that seed, Vroom that we had, it was like a for lighter. I I made a strain. It was, it was our vipre city OG mixed with tanji and amazing strain. I called it golden Cobra and that's to this day, one of my all-time favorites, we have it growing up in WoW, wherever in the mountains right now.

Yeah, and harvesting soon. And so that'll be one of the ones that the Utah people will be able to enjoy man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You got it Frank. Oh yeah. I had all the old stuff that Moxie made from the beginning. Yeah. Like literally the begins with the first stuff ever dad. So yes I'm very excited for all the new new new that's growing right now that will be coming down soon. So it won't just be all the you Todd, typical stuff that you see ya. We're going to have new flavors.

That's exciting. You terms. So we're your first day. Dabs on like two, hot knives or were they with like, an actual rigs? Very small rig? I had no idea what I was doing. Did you know about the temperature? No, no. See, I caught your lungs out. I mean, really hard. No, yeah, yeah. I was it was way too hot. I was not doing it right. It's all that just pees everywhere like oh my God it Like These are nice floors. Yeah luckily it was no damage. I was able to get it all off mic.

That's how high that shit made me. I was just not paying attention to my surroundings. Wow. So when you guys started dabbing, was it Glow? He's on a titanium nail or what were you doing, Nas? I mean, my first was in on a rig from him because I was always like that shit. Look like a crack pipe to me all the time because problem, right? Yeah, I don't like that. I didn't like that feel but you know, using what was like? One of the first ones you just had your like, little Rigsby come.

Yeah. The puff Coke I had the puff Coke Peak Pro. Oh man, that's like the perfect first dab experience. Yeah, that's what everything actually, I prefer this one. This is the dr. Diver switch. And it has a bigger water, chamber itself cleaning. It also is so much easier to clean the pub Co because the one problem with the puff Co is the air chamber that goes between, it gets clogged really.

Indiana, and then starts failing just like our friends like after a little bit, he's just like this sucks. And that sucks. I know that, I don't know, no one but I mean, I was, I was fortunate enough. I mean, he probably had it on to hot knives. As first time know, my first one was trying to think. I think it was actually just a fad, a Brig but with like a blowtorch. Yeah, yeah. You know, obviously it was way too hot. Sure it wasn't until she finished the whole thing.

Yeah. Exactly, it wasn't until months and months in that I finally realized. I am just like charring the shit out of this and it hurts going down. So finally, I started I got to the point that I found the perfect timer and I would set Alexa to set a time round or it's a noun and I go hey Alexa set a like 90 second timer and I'd wait 90 seconds for it to cool and then I'd put my dad in, put my top on and I what is this? A banger? Or we talked about animating her back in the day, it was.

Yeah. Oh damn, okay. Because I remember like just titanium nails and then they came out that company. Whoever I forget what the compiler educated they were making all the titanium stuff and then they came out with a carb cap and it was like we were all like, what the fuck change that for and then you realize like oh you can it's creating a vacuum in there so you can vaporize shit at a lower temperature and it's like then it Like I can taste dabs. Like this is great.

Ha ha, ha damn, is even better than I thought it was like crazy and not being has 26 different temperature. Ranges. I think of crazy that you can do and you can do a flower or a concentrate section and so you can do really low Terps and that it's nice. It's get so much more flavorful. Yeah, changes the game. Do you know these things? Man? Dude, it was best lucky for starts moving dabs. Now can't gas anymore. Right. Still have a torch, I do for sure.

Yeah, on the road dabs dude. No, no. I just had I don't have one of these things so it's like, I gotta go old school. He's old school really, I got a little teeny little rig, I put it in a shoe. It's tucked under my feet. Probably, you never seen the little dab straws. No, I have seen that like a hose or no. No, no, no, no. I mean you can Those their automatic I had 12. That was, who is it? I don't remember. But it was just electric and it was like you carry that super

easy around. That was electric. But no, it's an actual just like silicone tube with a glass tip. All right, titanium tip. Yeah you heat up that then you just touch it in your Puck and it's super easy. Yeah that would be that would probably better than one and you can carry around just one of the tiny little butane torch has and you don't need one of the massive things. Yeah that the Blazer are you? Go old school, right? Laser torch in baby, that's wild.

That's so funny, man. I am feeling amazing on this Dart and so do you do a lot of carts or what your favorite way to partake? I dab. Yeah, a lot. Yeah. Especially because like Frank and I are essentially also quality assurance for Moxie you course you know. So it's like everything that comes out of the lab. We gotta make sure yesterday so hard. Yeah it was rough day. I got to start the morning down by another damn when we got our Edibles are. Right? I'm Callie like the samples,

right? Yeah. The already ones that and it was a lot of them. Probably over 10 flavors. Right? Yeah. For sure. Yeah. And I tried every single one that's like there's some good. I'm just going to keep you know, keep I gotta you know you know obviously we wanted to like open for operations yet. So I went home and by the time I got home, I was Sleeping for like four hours in the middle of the day. It was horrible. They just took too much and and who took the whole you took 100.

Yeah. I popped a hundred before we started. We are you feeling now feeling it? No, no. Do you know how long they take to kick in pretty quick for me? Yeah. Usually my 3040 that's usually about, I have start tutorial it like a little cord. Like I feel like I'm feeling but it also, I don't know. Yeah, I'm feeling good. I mean with the dart, let me know if I think about it. I might have a Slight. Tingle this guy. How must I say on my core?

Yeah. Yeah like little Terminator of taking uh see over here going I don't feel every single throwing at me. I'm impervious to pain, right? This is like, he's like impervious to your teenage son. He lat. He would have something and I would sit there going. I would put me in like into full-on cerebral. Palsy mode where I'm like drooling at the left side of my face and only my right side is actually usable the other ones completely Frozen do.

Garnet is a weird thing, dude. So weird thing. All right, sorry to cut this one short we have about another 30 minutes left, but to respect your time, we want to keep it in the same time frame as the rest of our episodes. If you'd like to hear the rest, go ahead and head over to our patreon. That'll be in the show notes, and you can hear the rest of the episode. And once again, thanks for tuning in, we'll catch y'all next week.