Welcome to Cannabis School. I'm your host, Jesse Angeles. And I'm Brandon Elder. And we're here to talk to you about everything pertaining to cannabis, from vape, flower, edibles, strains, and everything in between. So if you're racist, then you hate cannabis, apparently. If you're racist, you hate cannabis. Well, that's kind of how it all got started this. Pretty much. Yeah, being illegal. And and in today's episode of The 101, we have been asked why
is cannabis illegal? Yeah, like what happened in the first place. Right. And there's a lot of different talking heads that will say, oh, it's because of religion or it's because of this or that. Like I I. Don't know if I've heard a religious push. No, I'm hearing from like, people like I asked. I asked for a lot of like. Random people and. I'm like, hey, what do you think? Why do you think it's illegal? Well, because because Christians don't do that.
This was like a non LDS person. I asked. And they go, well Christians aren't supposed to do that. And I'm like, why not? And they go, well, it's illegal. So it always goes back to that. When somebody says something is just so, then it's illegal. It's bad for you, right? Like eggs. Have you ever seen that? There was this, like what, the health documentary or mockumentary on Netflix and he talked about how eggs are carcinogenic. It's just as much as cigarettes.
Just. Fucking weird, that's what they said. In there. And my niece at the time, she's like Uncle Jesse eggs. You eat a lot of eggs. Yeah, you you gotta stop at the eggs cause it's gonna kill you. Die. Yeah, that's like cigarettes, bro. The yolk, The cholesterol. And even that myth of that the the egg yolk is so bad for you to this day. It's even to the point where where I think something is completely criminal and he goes into this margarine and butter.
Margarine is whipped oil. Yeah. It's not even the same and it's you're spreading it on there. You know don't even get me started about a lot of the oils, but it's it's an inflammatory and this is being promoted as a health product. So going into this, this started around the 19th. Well, take us to it, man. It's got a whole, yeah, I was. I spent a lot of time doing some. Same and going back and forth, right? I mean, like, who got this going 'cause it's always starts with someone.
Well, it depends on where you look. A lot of people point the fingers at like William Randolph Hearst. They point the fingers at Nixon pre like 1900s. Cannabis has been used for thousands of years. It's been in like archaeological digs. It's been found in like ancient Egypt times. It's been known through Asia. Yeah, for thousands of years. It's been known as a medication. And then in the like 1880s, it was in most, most medications. What flavor we got here? This today is Tropicana
cherries. Yeah, my favorite. Like it has pretty purple colors and yeah, figured it would be perfect for today. Anyways, Continue. All right. So in the 1880s it was actually just in like 80% of over the counter medications and 1906 they actually started putting in regulations that made it so you had to label and put on the label that there was cannabis or whatever in there. It was very first introduction to restrictions, regulations of any sort.
Do you know why that was? Well, they didn't have any. They didn't have any label on what was actually in there. So. This was like a label of not necessarily you have to put the cannabises in there, but it was like opium any other, like cocaine was used. There was all sorts of things that were used opiates and that. So you had to basically label and go. This is what's in here. So we're coming out of the Wild West, right, 'cause the death of the West.
I mean, when people don't know, like the history of the West, it was only like 30 years. It wasn't very long. It was a very short time. But it's so iconic. But during that time, you had opium being openly used, called laudanum, right? And they had cannabis oil, being the cannabis oils that they had then were so potent and strong, 'cause it was direct, like, I mean, it was like a reddish oil, right? So even back since the 1830s, there was Sir William Brooke O'Shaughnessy.
Oh yeah, O'Shaughnessy. And he was an Irish doctor studying in India. O'Shaughnessy. So this was basically the origination of Anglo Saxons, or white people being introduced to cannabis. And so he actually documented that cannabis extracts could ease cholera symptoms like stomach pain and vomiting. And by the late 19th century, Americans and Europeans could buy any of those pharmacies and doctors offices to help with stomach aches, migraines, inflammation, insomnia and other
elements. Like. That was just standard across the board. In fact, like the American Medical Association even had it on their list of like medications until 1942. Even though it started becoming illegal in 1937. It was a tax stamp tag. And really what it was was for you to have recreational or not medical cannabis, you had to have a stamp to say that you could have that.
And the problem with that was, is the way the government put it in place was just so you had to have the cannabis present when you applied for that 'cause, otherwise you would be applying for it and not having it there, which is fraudulent. So then they could throw you in prison for applying for a tax thing that you never did like. But then that was around till the 60s when it was actually deemed unconstitutional. Like that's part of the 5th Amendment.
You are not. Yeah. You don't have to legally incriminate yourself. There's no way that you would have to. So it was just a thing of like, hey, that's unconstitutional. So they got rid of that in 67 and 68. They brought in or 60, Let's go down.
It might be 69 and 70, but basically they got rid of the next one and they brought in the Controlled Substances Act and that now it's not even a legal constitutional act because according to the 10th Amendment, any power that is not guaranteed or written in the Constitution is either held by the state or. And anytime according to law that or is in, you can choose which one it is. So it's either the person or the
state can choose what powers. So if it's not written down in the Constitution, whether it's a law or not, it's either controlled by the state or the person. You. So that means that they have no right to delegate according to the Constitution, whether or not you can use cannabis, period. It is unconstitutional. Now, the ACT that they regulate and do everything under is commerce. So they introduced the the Controlled Substances Act, which regulates everything under
commerce. So it's not constitutional, it's just commerce too. And so they hold everyone accountable and throw people in prison and create this whole system around it. But back in the 30s or even back in the 20s, we had William Randolph Hearst who was pushing out all of this propaganda, all of the racist propaganda, because back in 1910 was the Mexican War and they had those people coming over. So then that's what I surprised
me was. I thought it was a combination at the same time of blacks, Hispanics and Asians. But it actually originated back in the 1910s from the Hispanics and going like, hey, they use marijuana or cannabis, but we're going to classify it as marijuana. And it's even spelled like MARIH according to like law. Still, it's all this stuff of like, the legalities.
And that's what they put in. All this terrible propaganda that was pushed out by Randolph Hearst was like white or like it makes black people think they're as good as white people. Yeah, I. Saw. That, yeah, It's like women want to have sex with black men or Asian women or whatever. If they smoke weed, women. Are leaving for the BBC. Yeah, and you're like, OK, how ignorant and terrified are you? Like this is what they're perpetuating, but. It's fear based and and it's
exactly that. And that's kind of why I went around that area over there saying that, you know, cannabis being illegal started with being just a lot of racism towards that time. And racism necessarily wasn't even brought up as racism at the time. It's just the way it is. You know, Mexicans were seen as lower class people, blacks were seen as lower class people and they would frequent because this is something that they could
have, right. If you think about alcohol at the time, it wasn't so readily available and on top of it was expensive. Prohibition was in the 20s, so that was also the introduction of, like alcohol prohibition. And it was like cannabis got really big during alcohol prohibition, when there was like, not as much. But then obviously alcohol got massive too. Well, yeah, there's. All the alcohol runners and.
When you talk about the Mexican Revolution, you know what that is. It's not the American Mexican War that was much earlier in that time. So when you're talking about this, it's particular time this is going towards their more individualized freedom, right, The Mexican Revolution. Which funny enough is I have a relative, an ancestor who actually fought alongside Pancho Villa for the freedom of Mexico. He's and they have an airport named after. Him. That's interesting. I didn't.
I. Didn't learn that until later on my dad was down there. He's like, you actually have a relative who was, he was like a Brigadier General and broke away from them and and joined up. But going back into, well, a lot of cultures everywhere were using this anyways a lot and it was well, but it was just super common. Tobacco is not as common as cannabis is.
You know when they talk about a lot of that, where, you know how tobacco got over to Europe was from Native Americans, they would bring them over there and they're like, yeah, we'll leave. We have to bring this with us and we're gonna plant it over there too. And thus it exploded. But cannabis had been there forever. Yeah, Well, and it's been a medicine forever. So the Controlled Substance Act, basically what it claimed is like they put it in a schedule one, which is where it is
remains today. The introduction of the controlled substance acts. Basically schedule one is the substance has a high potential for abuse. The substance has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States and there's a lack of accepted safety for the use of drug drug under medical supervision. Now that's what they say for cannabis. Yet the compound THC, the most psychoactive chemical that they
claim within cannabis exists. That one is a schedule 3 because they have a pill which is just a or they have a medication on the market called Marinol which is just synthesized THC because they think the government claims that the one compound, the synthesized compound, is safer than the 300 plus compounds that are combined in naturally occurring cannabis plant. And that's safer, but yet the side effects are worse.
Straight THC is not fun. But yet in that moment, they're still claiming that there's medical benefit. So there is a medical value in the United States for Marinol that is a medication, so that is cannabis derived like it is a synthesized cannabinoid. But they're claiming that there's medical value. They have the same thing for CBD. So they have two products on the market medically proven that there's medical value according to the FDA and everything that put it out there.
But yet they're claiming that there's still no medical value in this plant that it originates from. So why is it still legal today? Illegal money, Business, politics. That's a pretty easy way. But I mean like what are the other, I mean what's the evidence of that? Well, so even back in looking back at 1944, Nixon was around and Harry Anslinger was around and Nixon went to them. And he's like, hey, I want you guys to go and find all of this information proving that
cannabis is a terrible drug. 1964. 1944 It's called the LaGuardia Committee Report from the New York Academy of of Mexican. Was he a senator at the time? The LaGuardia or the then he was Senator. So in that time, the committee committee found that marijuana was not physically addictive, not a gateway drug, and then it did not lead to crime. But Harry Anslinger, head of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics, labeled the report unscientific,
and prohibition kept going. And then every 10 years, almost since then, there's another like governing body that will review that data and find the same things. Find that it's not a gateway drug, find that it's not all of these things that they're still holding it in. So this is the precursor to the DEA, correct? Yes. Yeah, was the Federal Bureau of Narcotics. Yeah, that sounds just as. I mean, that guy sounds just as crooked as that fucker.
Nixon because the when it went down even further. There's the Shaver Commission in 1972 that they found it was at least as safe as alcohol and actually recommended to Nixon ending the federal prohibition in favor of public health. But then the Federal Bureau of Narcotics had been removed, and it emerged as into the Department of Justice, where Nixon's ally John Mitchell placed cannabis in schedule one in 1972. So.
So that's where I'm confused, because I mean, I get the political part, but the money part not so much. Right now it's all pharma based. Like right now you think of pharmaceutical companies are the ones that have Marinol and they have the CBD version out there. Those are the only two products on the market that are federally recognized as medicine, so the only ones that can legally make money. And they're not taxed on the way any other cannabis business is taxed. They're taxed like a normal
business. But I can't see that making enough money for them to be able to fight against that 'cause it doesn't make any sense. I mean, you know what I'm saying is, like, if you have a drug and I'm just playing devil's advocate here, I'm not, I'm not siding with it. But saying you got a drug that is known to be able to help out with pain management, right? So let's take Oxycontin.
And even though it's it's put out there, they make billions upon billions of dollars like almost like a Sheik, like you don't know how much money. But how many people when you get prescribed Oxycontin or any real painkillers, how many of those are short term treatments? Oh yeah, they're all short term treatments. No, but I'm saying like I'm not, I'm not saying that. I'm saying about the the medical
problem. I'm not saying like I get that there if I created something that could be just as effective on pain management with no side effects using no derivatives of opium to do that, I would see why Big Pharma be like we got to kill that motherfucker. Yeah, right. But then I think cannabis with these two other products that are minors and used very infrequently I would imagine. I don't know. I'm not actually sure 'cause I haven't done too much digging into like what the market is on
Marinol or the CBD version, but. I'm saying it it, it's not a big enough market. I mean if you look at the pain management market, it's a multi trillion dollar market. Oh yeah, but that one is mostly managed by medications that. Right. And then, but that's the same thing though. I mean, I know that those work, but the the side effect is so severe, even death, right, Cannabis. Can it help with pain? It can. Can it get rid of pain on that level? I don't think so.
It can, depending on your dose on the cannabinoids on. But that also depends upon the cannabinoids system. And like what type of pain it is, how you're addressing it. Like there's many things that address that just the same as like Lord have not guaranteed that it'll get my pain. No, no, but it's the same way but it's just the dulling sense and that and that's why the money part I I get, but I don't get I get more of the perception really.
Is there this big agenda from big pharma to cut down cannabis like I don't know. I. Think it restricts it until they're allowed to get in it. I don't think it's to keep it from ever happening. I think it's to like. I don't see Big Pharma. I see Big Tobacco being more of that because they have an actual cause. They've lost so much they've lost. But that's the other person, right? So it's still a money agenda? No, no, it totally is a money agenda.
But. Like you said, tobacco, there's a there's all these players who are in it. It's not just pharma, but it's not admitting or going well. It's not like, yeah, they're players in there. We can't be that ignorant to go. They're not an. Influence in someone or the other. I just don't see it as a majority. I see it as a minority. I see the. Department as a minority. Absolutely against cannabis. Because the reason why is because they already have a they
make trillions of dollars. This isn't going to disrupt them in anytime soon. And the reason why is because laws don't change. Yeah. 'Cause there's no law change, yeah, but the. Laws only change based upon open perception. The reason why I say it is that LDS Church was totally against cannabis, has paid to get lobbying against it. The only reason why it changed was that the dominant 70 / 70% of Utahn said we'd want it and so they go OK fine.
'Cause the valid initiative passed, but then it's like why was it for? Them it wasn't for money. It was the perception that it was bad. But then it's also, hey, we don't have control of this because this has gotten pushed through anyway. This is what the people want, but we don't have control in here. We need and and it wasn't the perfect system, honestly. No, no like. Like where it's at now, what do you see being the biggest like contributors to it still remaining illegal?
I honestly think it's because of the perception, not just of religious context, but just the perception of who people were if you go back in time. Religion plays a big part in that. I think it does have a part in keeping it illegal. A part I was like I don't but I feel like it would be AI. Haven't felt like religion's played a massive. Role No, yeah, I mean, I'll take it. You know, for the the church I'm a part of, they they spent a lot of money going against cannabis.
Here especially. Yeah, here especially and anywhere else they try to go legal, right? Necessarily. But the the thing that the reason why they changed it was because, well, everybody wanted it. And I see that's the reason why we're starting to see more and more states become legal or in a legal in a medical state, you know, do I agree with how Utah's set up? I think it sucks that we only have a few, a handful of dispensaries literally, and the
growers are limited. Well, when we have tons of growers too, but like when we went down with Nerath even then from Dragonfly and we had that discussion about like OK, this is a medical program and they're saying their intent is to help patients, but how many places do we actually have pharmacies? They're all just in the main main densely populated areas.
However, if you go off of those main densely populated areas, you have to go hours and hours and hours to get to some of these small cities, some of these other places and that and you're like there is nothing for any of these people with these patient like these issues. So it really doesn't help. But they can't grow it either, because legally they don't allow you to do a medicine like to grow your own medicine, even if you live really far out. So it's like there are there are
imperfect programs everywhere. Right. But but the the, the legalization part, the way I think it's still illegal is because the perception is still bad. Like you should trust the FBI and CIA. Like the perception is you should trust them because they're good. But we've learned that they have done lots of really crooked things to hurt us as U.S. citizens. Yeah, but when we talk about like cannabis, it's like, it just doesn't make sense. It really doesn't make sense on
the illegality. Yeah, I don't either because. 'Cause they'll say like textiles, like, oh, they would make paper out of them, like. I'm not. It was, yeah. Like there's all sorts of stuff like in the 40s, nineteen 44 or World War Two time, Japan cut off our supply of fibers for hemp. So it was it was like they sent out hemp seeds to all of our farmers across the US going please, please grow this. That was a request from our government. But yet we've done all this stuff all the time.
And I see all of these people, like, there's data from all of these years about back in even 1971, Nixon had like, they came to him with the Schaefer Commission and they had these reports about like, it's not dangerous, we should decriminalize it. And he basically said, can I get that out of this son of a bitch and domestic counsel? I mean, one on marijuana that just tears the ass out of him because all he wanted, It didn't matter.
They wanted to arrest the leaders of the black people, of the minorities, of the Hispanic families. They wanted to disrupt those communities, arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings and vilify them night after night. On the Evening News, it said, did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did. And that was a direct quote from was it Nixon or Anslinger? Oh, no, it was actually his Nixon's aide, John L Rickman. So.
Well, and it it just goes to where where the perception was, you know, African Americans, it says in this this thing over here at the Britannica, you know, according to some studies, African Americans in the early 21st century were nearly four times more likely than whites to be arrested with marijuana. And it's the perception of racism. And that's why racism was was beneath it was not seen as good as and so it was this. Like what was the other one
that. Maybe you can help me understand this, 'cause I I think about this a little bit here and there. When I think about cannabis and all of the information and education that has been provided to the United States, government, political officials, everything over the years, it still exists. None of that data has disappeared. So when we look at it and every time this has been approached, every time it hits the Senate, it hits the House, everything
like that. Do the people just not read the data that has been out there? Like why? What is the discussion that happens that there's no understanding of the scientific data that we have and that's been out there because a basic understanding of a medicine. There should be no more. Like it's a schedule one. There should be no more this. It shouldn't be a hey, well, we don't know what to do. It should be. I'm sorry, the data's here. It can't be classified as this.
Schedule one can't work because we have medical value. So it's not a. You need to reschedule or do this. You need to address this now because you're throwing people in for something that is false. Right. And that's, I think that's go goes back all the way back to Anslinger because it's perceived as bad and I perceive it as bad. So it will be bad, right. In including member, they came back to him going, OK well here's the scientific report going, I don't see that report
as valid. I'm going to make my own scientific report and I'll have my people approve it. Yeah. And that's that's why I think it's still illegal because of that perception, because we still have old individuals that are in Senate, in the Congress. Because it's not. A president doesn't have the law to flick his pen and make it so. No, I just mean as a human, how are you? That not you? No. No, yeah, but how? Senate or whoever is seeing that it data and information.
How are you that ignorant? Well, because of the ignorance, it's the perception before. It's the perception instead of the perspective. But it's like science. If something came out and there was new information like, wouldn't they have to look at it and try and at least consider it? Yeah, but there's people that have such strong beliefs, like flat Earthers, right? Like, you know, and I'm not hating on flather. If you're a flat earther, cool, that's awesome.
But. They would love to hear your ideas or cause. Serious, right? There's the Ice Wall, like they have and and Game of Thrones. Dude. Oh, OK. You're the whole thing like about their about some of the beliefs as but again the belief is so strong that the belief is so strong that the fear is induced and that the nobody moves forward with it. It takes something monumental, and I think that's where the stage we are right now is
monumental. Because now what we're doing is we're moving more into open conversations about cannabis. Not as a bad thing, but how many different types of amazing things are in this plant that are helping us every single day and that we feel better with. And like, you know, now, like, I'm feeling like incredibly antsy right now and a tenses in my jaw and I feel anxious in a different way, more the mind than in the body and the heart. I don't feel anything here.
So that's why, you know, earlier I, I was contributing to, I was like, what's going on? But 'cause it's not a conversation I normally have like that. So apologies. Yeah. Yeah. No, no, no, we're good. We're good. But you know when you when you go into it like it, it goes back to something that was said in here that has negative effects on these degenerate races. And what was another thing it you had said it earlier where they think they're as good as whites.
Makes black people think they're as good as white people, basically. Yeah, it was just like. It it this. The the xenophobia, which I love the word xenophobia cause always reminds me of aliens, right? Xenoborphs. But. Like, it's horrible. Though well, because of that, you know reefers makes darkies think that they're as good as white men. Like just that statement alone. Most of the attacks upon the white women of the South are directly result of cocaine crazed in your brain.
Yeah, seriously, like like. But again, why did was the perception there that they were lesser than it comes? Back from us and of them. Yes, exactly. And I think that's what happened. That's why there should be term limits for these people. You know, the president can only serve eight years good, especially if they're really bad. If they get elected again, like, what are you doing to yourself? But yet again, senators and congressmen are the ones who are
passing these laws. They're the ones who are getting their palms greased by those entities that are saying hey. By whatever. Yeah, whatever entity is greasing them, but if that. Entity truly believes that it's bad not just for their business, 'cause you think about it like cannabis is in like $60 billion industry, $80 billion industry, it's gonna get even bigger. But comparatively to a lot of these other companies, they're a minor player.
And so it doesn't make sense like the entirety of, I mean, Elon Musk owns. If we were to put it in a A percentage over there, Elon Musk would have most of the all the profits of cannabis fits within his portfolio of how much money he has. Right. Like it. It's like, Oh yeah, I have that in my savings account, right? I mean and that's the entire market though, right? That's my I Vetmo that often but you know what He I can't do it. It's not the African accent like
he does. But you know, when you just think about it, like it just it, it's infuriating to me that the laws still stay. And the reason why is because of these, like you take that, like I why I brought up the church. The church is a lot like that, a lot like that where it's like if we say sure, if we don't say sure, it's not the majority, it's the minority. But that's in any organization, right? That's why we have a president or kings or Queens or whatever. We we don't want to take that
responsibility. But when that responsibility lies upon you and you're only making that decision because, well, my parents said it was bad. So it's bad. Yeah, right. I mean, honestly, that's where I. Feel, I just go to my mind when you said that goes to like Waterboy and Adam Sandler, he's like, oh, mom and dad, like the gate has come from here or something. I'm like, Oh my God, how dumb are you, 'cause sometimes that's what it sounds like. It does.
And I'm like, OK, and it's not it's not to blame the person. It's to go, hey, maybe you haven't been introduced to the information and like. But sometimes, yeah, but it's sometimes it's they're blind to it. It's just like going back to Ansler, I don't believe your data. Your data is false. But that's when it's like, OK, but this isn't my data. This is scientists data from hundreds of years, from tons of
different places, not just one. This is this university, this university, this country, this has been funded by the US here, this like, this is not my data. This is data from a million different sources that all have at least the same basis. When I'm saying your data, I mean it's, it's. Their. Approach Yeah, it's their approach of saying like, well, who cares? Like, did they grow up in my hometown? But where did they know my Mama? Where?
Is their data that this person supporting the other? Because it's like, OK, well, if you're saying this data doesn't support it, I want to see your data that you're pulling your information from, or your bias. From and and that's why I think we're at this next precipice of legalization and there because honestly like the the biggest worries I have with legalization is the quality of product it's gonna get. Always way down. It needs to be a standard of regulation, kind of like alcohol.
Hey, I'm sorry, We can't have half assed beers being out there or alcohols that are gonna make people go blind or deaf or like, 'cause death. Stuff we heard about in the. Project Normal death because you drink too much. Like all of the things that you look at. Yeah, like you said in Prohibition. OK, well, how do you get that standard of regulation across the board for cannabis? Because that's all you need is a good regulation to go. We want to make sure people are
safe. We recognize there's medical values because we're not stupid. We can read. And that's what I think it needs to be, is going, hey, if you're making the decision to say that you're choosing this to be illegal, I need you to prove your supported data that you're basing this on. And if you can't, you need to get off the pot. Yeah, but it's it's it's a hard thing because these, you know Once Upon a time there are these jobs that as Congress and senators they were, they weren't
making crazy money. Now they make crazy money of a lot of insider trading of course. But and if and the ones who aren't doing really well, they're good people but they're not going to be there long. You know the whole purpose of these politicians is to get re elected. Yeah. They're not not there to to serve you. They're no, they may have some good intentions at first.
I I'm not gonna say they don't. Cause usually I feel like when they get in there, they're working, they're thinking they're going in for the people and when they get in and work for the organization, they're working for the organization. Yeah, and in order for you to continue to make the living that you are, to continue fighting the fight that you one day will fight, which you'll never come, then you just start in this circle of chasing your own tail. It's a snake eating its own
tail. It's just constant. It doesn't stop and that's where I think with the legalization and or at least changing the definition of it like I I'm still like, you know we talked about it reschedule. Versus D schedule. Yeah. Yeah. Like I'm I, I I think they're both a pipe dream at this moment and I don't know if it would you know they're like oh if they did that like so and so would get like way more votes. Not really. I don't know anybody who's going to the ballot going well because
he's gonna make because. That's never happened because every president has been like, Oh yeah, this'll happen. I'm gonna do this. I'll support marijuana. And then they get in and like I said, they can't do it. Nothing happens. It has to go through all of these other idiots in the House and the Senate to vote it when they're like, I don't understand this. Marijuana scares me, OK? Yeah, but the the thing it comes out now, it's where why is it legal in certain States and not
in others? And that's where the loophole that you were talking about because it's unconstitutional. So they have to be able to figure out loopholes in the law in order for it to happen. When was it? Which one was the 1st at California being able to come out first? 1996 was the first medical program. But I mean, you think back all the way to then, right? That was a year before I graduated high school, and that was a long time ago.
That feels like a long time ago, but it was such a short span. And within just the last five years, we've seen tremendous growth. So that's where I think that this is going to perpetually change. If more states are able to come online and being able to sell direct, either in a medical or a wreck, whatever they're doing, that's fine. But once that starts, being able to be across the board where no more of the states can say, well, you know what, we we can't do it.
Why not? Because there's no reason why you can't like Idaho. There is no reason why, and you would think Utah would be more staunch than they would, but they are so staunch. Same right now. So as of March 2024, there are 24 states in the United States that have legalized recreational cannabis.
And then so still it's illegal in Idaho, Wyoming, Nebraska, Kansas, Texas, Iowa, Indiana, Tennessee, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Georgia. Now they might have some hemp or cannabis, like a really low weird delta 8 Laws are things they allow, but. Dude, you know what's really funny is I'm looking at this map and it shows when it says legal for adult use, illegal illegal possession, small amounts, conditional decriminalized. It still has Utah is illegal.
Interesting. And it's a 20241, which is funny because it's, it is legal here. Yeah. And that's just silly. But I mean, just seeing like you, you can actually see the whole Bible Belt is a lot of that. It's just And again that goes. Georgia. South Carolina. North Carolina. Oklahoma. Yeah, Oklahoma's now. It even says Oklahoma is illegal. Yeah, I think, oh, did I not write Oklahoma? No Oklahoma's legal. Kentucky. So this is a weird one.
Like, I don't understand where this came from, but that's funny, you know, throughout the Bible Belt, though, exactly it, it's where it's like Florida hangs out on its own. Like it's really strange. And New York is fairly new to. A couple of years. Yeah. And so it's and we've been what, four years I. Thought it was 20/19/2018 when it maybe 2019 when it passed and then 2020 when it went into effect. Yeah. So we're about four years, Yeah, almost four year. We're coming up on four years.
That's and and everybody was using even during that time. I I would love to be able to say that cannabis will be legalized during our our lifetime or within the next. I mean not in the lifetime. I'm making it sound like it's some astronomical event. I don't think we'll see it like within a short period of time. Five years, I don't know. It keeps being pushed. I'm thinking of like, how long till the people in there are dead? Like the old truth? Is it 10 years, dude?
Like, is it 5-10 years before a lot of those old people are? Dead. Look at them, Look at them, dude. Like one of the what's I don't even remember his name but they were asking him questions and he was just staring off and he couldn't answer. And I was thinking, get that poor son of a bitch out of there. But The thing is, is they it's just weird. It's just weird.
And it's those individuals that have maintained, like I joked, remember when we were on the ride and I said the only reason why we have legal cannabis in in Utah because Orrin Hatch is dead? Yeah, Orrin Hatch was like hardcore drug czar type of guy. I mean, you know the, the saddest thing you see is when somebody gets busted with a pen or two back in the day, dude, they're big, big part.
They're have a huge fine. So my buddy, he got pulled over because he worked for Vivint and he would go out every summer and go do installs, and he got a ticket right before he went out for the summer. And when he came back, apparently he'd forgotten to pay it, and he had a warrant for an unpaid ticket. So now we're he's going down longboarding by the lake and just drives past a sheriff.
Now of course, legally they're supposed to have reasonable suspicion or something to actually run your plates. He just ran it anyway. And then he pulled him out like so He's he's stopped 'cause he's getting out of longboard now. Sheriff pulls up behind him, arrests him because apparently he hasn't warned, and then start searching him and he's got a pen on him. This was pre program here in Utah. There's no medical program. He got a like a DWI, even though he wasn't in the car when he,
the cop stopped him. He wasn't even in the driver's seat. It could have been the other guy that was driving, but because, you know, he stopped him and pulled him out, like did all that, then he had a year of drug testing to do. He had to go take a bunch of classes, all of this shit for a pen. Yeah, but that's sad. People go, people go to jail for
that. Oh yeah. And I mean, if you think about it like I've I, I don't know anybody personally in Idaho. I've got Idaho listeners, you guys could tell us, but you know, people getting busted over there for cannabis, it's still a big deal in that state. Oh yeah, it's terrible. But yeah, I mean, every time I go up, I bring a pen or a vaporizer or something and I'm sitting out back and I'm puffing out. I'm like, man, I wonder what these people here think when
they smell this kind of stuff. Do they just have like a massive heart attack? And I'm actually pretty chill in that moment. Like, I'm not stressed, I'm not worried, am I gonna get busted? I'm just like, I'm sitting there going, man, I'd hate to live here. I'd hate to have the stress of like, like, these people who live out here and are constantly worried or fearful.
And I'm sorry for you guys who are in that, like all around the world, because there's tons of people who have that like, hey, it's illegal or I'm I like or it's really illegal. Like some places it's you'll get a slap on the wrist. You get a $2550 fine, whatever it is, you're on your way. Other places you're getting arrested for, you're going to jail for, like it's really fucking up your entire life. And that's what I hate, I hate and it it sucks that it's
global. But even in our United States, I hate that we have a federal regulation that goes, hey, this medicine that we have, like we hold a medical patent for right, that we have like proof over tons and tons of years of medical benefits we're gonna throw people in prison for like, where do you feel good? How is there any right or justice done in that moment at all? And it goes back to what we had said during the deschedule
reschedule. You know the one big step I would like to see done, you know before legalization is releasing of all those individual who are in prison right now serving for cannabis related crimes, not drug related crime it. Was violence. Just just cannabis. Cannabis. They're just, they're moving weight. And. Or they were just smoking a joint, yeah. Or you know. You know, like California used to have. I don't know if they still do
have the three strikes law. It didn't matter what crimes you committed. If you if you if you had like a felony or something like that and you committed any other crimes after it three times and you go to prison for 25. Jeez. Like you wanna talk about if there's somebody, You know what I would go on to that one, this conspiracy theory time. I would think that The Corrections. Prison. System Prison system would have more to do with keeping cannabis
illegal. You know where that's filled from the police and the judicial system. So it could be it very well could be a a combination of the three of them. Well be there are a lot of prisons now that are privatized. These are owned by corporations and so and they work in cahoots with. They have contracts with the people to keep their businesses. Filled. Exactly. And so why not continue to perpetuate an idea that it's
still bad? You know, we need to be able to 'cause if you think about it, we have more. We have more incarcerated per capita than any country in the entire world. And so since the 1980s, our prison system have filled 56%. Fuck. Or it's no, no, no, it it jumped from what was it? I don't remember the numbers. Went please do know that these numbers can be skewed 'cause we have cannabis.
The numbers were astronomical. It jumped from like I think it was like 40,000 pre 80s to like some astronomical number and it was like, so you're telling me that the amount of criminal people has jumped that much in 10 years like but then you look at it and that's where the data was. The 56% was the amount of people in prison for cannabis. So the amount like, so you're looking at it going cool.
Well our numbers have jumped astronomical but how many of those people are in just for cannabis? Well, if it's 56%, that's over half the people in prison are there just for cannabis. And this was FBI statistic, like this was pulled from FBI data. Such bullshit. And it's like, OK, so you're telling me that our nation, who's the freest country who has all this shit? You really just So what is it? Your school system, your religious system, your parenting structure system?
What is it that raises fucktards then? Because that's what you're telling us we all are. A lot of it, it just, I again, it's just that perpetual fear and then there's money being made from that fear and you know it. It doesn't necessarily come from this idea that we've got to make a lot of money. It's we got to control these people. And the more that you have a substance such as cannabis into your system, maybe you're going to question a little more.
That goes back to, like, Napoleon, why he didn't want his troops hanging out with the Egyptian troops. Yeah, 'cause they were smoking cannabis. And they're just like, they didn't want to do. We don't want to. We don't want to go kill these people like. We don't want to do any of this shit. Yeah, exactly. Like, what are we doing with our lives? It it really slows things down to that perspective where you can go look I I need to I need to take a step back.
So when looking at these like the way it moves and this is just a belief I have and again you know take these things with you know this is a perspective of of ours. You know Brandon has his perspective of my perspective. You have your perspective and and that's ultimately why it's where it's at. It's perspective that you're able to start seeing states legalize. After that, it's perspective of that state going OK, it's the perspective of the church that I belong to.
Finally they said you know what, we can't decide this because everybody wants it. So we have to take a step aside. Even though they didn't want to, they did it anyways and it's because of it's because of the majority. It's because of people of us, the more of us that demand it to ask for it. If you put up, I mean, how many times has this bill gone up since 2016, which one to get legalized here in Utah. And it was like, I have no idea.
It was constant, like it was a, it was a, it was out of my city. It was the representative, a congressman or the senator for this state, the state, US, the. The one you lived before or no? The one where I live now in Saratoga, like it, they they tried to pass it and they got shut down. He tried to pass it again, it got shut down.
That's when Vickers came in and then that because he was able to negotiate some deal with with that side and to get them to be OK with it. I mean ultimately if it wasn't able to pass it was because of a larger entity in the state. 60% of Utahans are LDS. So it's it goes the same with every state like what is the ideology there and if if the majority, if it's state like Utah, that's why I love where we're at, is if state like Utah can get get legalized. You guys can too. Why can't Idaho?
That why can't Texas? Yeah, that's what's boggled my mind. My ex has always asked me. She's like, oh, you should move to Texas, 'cause you're 'cause she'll move all around the country. And I'd say cool, I could chase you everywhere you go. That sounds like. Fucking touring band, yeah. Oh, groupies. Heck. But you know, where is it legal? But yeah, and she's like, well, you should move to Texas. And I'm like, there's still massive legality issues with cannabis in Texas.
And I was like, it's surprising because I feel like you guys aren't as ignorant as people here, but yet you're proving otherwise, so. Well, it's and again, it's just the perception. I mean it is in the Bible Belt and the perception is that God says this is bad, but no worries show. Me in your Bible because it shows me, and according to the Bible that the plants and that from the earth or from God, and that's designed for you.
So tell me, which part of that tells you that God didn't create that for you, if that's what you believe? And that's perception versus perspective. Because the perception is whatever they create, it's the same people that think that dinosaurs weren't real, right? And they go, but we have bones and they go, yeah, those are fake. Who put them there? Satan did Aliens. You lost me there. Like, I believe aliens help build megalithic structures
before I believe that. Well, but that seems more realistic when you look at how they're designed and built and not. And we can't replicate shit to this day. So you're like, so OK, cool. That's where I I'm like, you know what? You wanna be able to have this. You want it legal in your state. You got to start getting it out there. Even in Germany, like, they tried to go full legalization, but because it's part of the EU, they couldn't.
So they gave them another alternative and they were able to grow their own plants over there. Like, you got Rico over there, right? Rico, you listening to this, bro? Thanks for the e-mail. But it's cool to hear about that. Like they were able to change it and the reason why they're able to change it. They were following what the US did everywhere did that they started to make it criminal, like even in Southeast Asia. Yeah, it wasn't criminalized. And it's like, all right, cool.
Well, the Americans did it, so let's follow suit. And I'm sorry for you guys who followed suit 'cause now you guys are stuck with us and it's just. But you mean, I understand that after World War 2? I mean, dude, that's when we came up. That's. But it was like, whoa, these guys are here. And it was super easy to fall in line with whatever Americans like we should like to. And unfortunately you had these very superstitious, very fear based individuals. And then they just came out of.
But it was, it was it was their a product of their upbringing. And that's what makes me happy about the younger generations, because they're learning more about this dude. When my kids are adult, I think that's when it's gonna be completely legalized. I think you're gonna be able to find. This I hope before then, but it I it also wouldn't surprise me if it took a long time because of how many people are still in in seats. Exactly. I mean, it's up to, I mean it's
like us, dude. You know what if if we became senators one day, if we became congressman one day, then we're able to push that, right? I'm, I'm not suggesting that and I wanna step right in that tool. But it it it, I'd said tool. I was thinking pool cannabis, but it's exactly that, dude. It just we start seeing these younger people start demanding it. That's what. That's what moved it here, man. But that's what I wonder is like, OK, where you're at? And it's not just the demanding.
It's also the education side. I think it's what's changing is like when people like my parents here have used cannabis. When you start seeing, 'cause I feel like my parents are pretty dogmatic, like conservative people. Extremely conservative, yeah. And I love them to death. They are my parents like that's who they are.
And but I look at it and I go, OK, well how many other mindsets like that are out there but how long did it take And and honestly like I don't know what that driving factor like how you have that conversation for someone who's it's their perception cause they've seen the data they've seen whatever and they're like well I don't still you know how how do you change that to actually affect change in that moment because I mean you can't force anyone to have a different mindset.
I think a lot of it has to come with your attitude with it. So if if you know we're we're really open with everybody we meet and there's not one person I won't talk to about cannabis. And I want them to break that stereotype that I'm just a loser or like the perceptions that before because, you know, I'm half Hispanic, so I'm naturally drawn to it because that's what my ancestors liked, you know, 'cause we're a bunch of
deviants. Like that's the perception to them is it's like, Oh well, you're, you know, it's like the joke around we talk about like, it's OK, I have a podcast, so the people just. Let you do whatever. Yeah, that's cool. I have a podcast. But again, that is another thing that makes us a little bit more unique on that side because we can say that like, yeah, I talk about this every week. Every week I talk about this and the reason why It's not because I'm making money from it.
You're making money from it. We're not making money from this. Let's just not let anybody get twisted. You're at this point, they're like, they're probably high rollers. Look at our cars. Look at these. Fucking Crocs. Yeah, dude, he's. He's Crocs. But you think about it like, you know, when we start opening up like these conversations that we've been having for years and that everybody else has been along for four years now. Yeah.
We we know that the more you're able to talk about this openly and the more you stop giving a shit about what other people think about what you're doing and matter of fact, making it more just mainstream, that's how you get people interested. It's normalizing. Yeah, I I get people interested there who are involved in the church.
I am so open about it. My neighbor, who is the nicest guy in the world, he's like, I would like to listen to that sometime and I'm like, I don't think you would like that. And he goes, why not? I said. It's explicit. Well, it's like I'm sort. Of the neighbor, the neighbor next door, he is, I guess, seventies, 70 years old. He is a temple worker. So for people who don't know what that is, that's in the LDS religion. That's like someone who I feel
like is really spiritual. They spend a lot of time invested in the religion, not because it's required, but because. Because they have a passion for. It and a love like they feel like they're out helping doing good for their church and that's that's good for them. And that's what he does with his time.
However he's also been a medical cannabis consumer in Utah for a decade for cancer like and so he has this understanding and just but but I see him as like this old nice kind like soft not this person that I would see listening to the show. Yet he tunes in, he listens to our show and he's like, hey, I caught the episode I really liked and and I was like. You know what? There you go.
But it speaks to me because I'm like, ah, and I think about it sometimes, 'cause I'll say a curse word and I'm like, oh man, like, I hope I didn't turn someone. Off like. It is, but like it's the it's because the message and the impact that it could have and the understanding is like, it's so immense of the value that it could have on maybe not their life, but their family member's life or their friend's life. If they're not going to choose to use it, that's OK That's up to them, like.
But I think that everyone should, everyone should try and try different types. Maybe it's CBDCBDCBNCB? Like there's all these different ways to. Get involved. Yeah, and find value in improving your quality of life. You don't have to get high. Well, and that's the thing too. I I I want them to be. Oh yeah, You know, I love that experience. I I do. I absolutely love the experience and that's why it's really, really difficult.
That's why I got more passionate about it earlier, because I'm, I'm like, you know, I've been really pondering this, Brandon, before we had this episode of just like why do I think it's illegal? Why do I think it's illegal? Not necessarily the evidence it's shown to me. See, I haven't looked into why I feel like me because as a person, why I was thinking. This is a high moment for me because I was really like, you know, when we brought that up? Or like, this would be a great topic.
And because our Peach audience, yeah, our audience, it's just like, hey, can you talk about this? And it's like, oh, that's such a good one. And we really haven't dived into it, but we've dived into it. The proof, 'cause it's really easy to be able to shovel. This is historically right in a lineage. This is what we know. This is why it is the way it is. And before that, it was just like nobody cared. It was just there. It was just a plant. It was just medicine. Right.
You're just like, Oh yeah, we take that. I've never. Heard of any crusades going after like cannabis in the history before? Just like, oh, we gotta take it down like, you know like the the Spartans are like, yeah, we gotta fight against this this whole scourge of. This plant that makes. People feel calm, like it really. That's the part that I started to think about. I'm like it it. The biggest reason is because you think it's bad and that's why.
And and enough of you fuckers hadn't thinking it's bad makes it bad and it compounds. It becomes true like, you know, Bruce Lee, I for me was more of a philosopher than a martial artist, 'cause his thoughts were deeper than it. But you know, he said, you know, when you have an idea and it's a good idea, it starts out great and then the idea becomes, you know, gospel, and then gospel becomes the doctrine truth, and
then it becomes dogma. And when it reaches dogma level, you have to have this massive, just like all those people have to die. It's like if you want this Earth to be back to the way it was, pray for an asteroid. Yeah, a global reset. Yeah, 100 reset everything and you won't have to worry about it. And hundreds if not thousands of years into the future then it will resemble somewhat of society that looks like this now, like it it it, you think it's just like, no, we'll get
back in a couple months. Good luck. It's generations upon generations, right? There was this TV show, it's called like the third body System, and it goes into, it's fucking interesting, you'd like it, but it goes into like this entity or other civilization that is out in space somewhere. They live on this other planet, and then that planet there's three different Suns, and so gravitational pulls are different.
Heat is different at certain moments, like, so every time there's a cataclysm on this planet, it basically wipes humanity to square one again, starting over. And so they're finally, they've gone through so many iterations of this over time, and they're like struggled, and finally they got off their planet, They're heading through space to try and come to us, but they don't understand so much, and they see
even just a story. A story was written and they understood the story to be a lie 'cause it wasn't true. Yeah. Why do you lie? And it's all this basis But then it was like incredible just to like think of that third bodied system. This is definitely high canvas talk. This is good. Keep going 'cause this act I'm. I'm I'm yeah. Keep going. It's just really interesting to. See, because they go into, like, every time it reset, it took, you're like, Oh yeah, we'd get
back to here by this time. No, it took forever to get back to this stage and then to get to that stage, 'cause they're like, well, how long did it take you to get from caveman to, like, farming? OK. It was hundreds of thousands of years. OK, well, how long take you get from farming to this stage? Well, it was 40,000 years. OK Well, how long did it take you to get from computer age to this? 50 years. OK well, how long did it take
you to get from here to here? And it was like, so in the 400 years of lightspeed that it takes for us to get from where we're at to you, we haven't, we're not going to be developing any new technology. You are going to be continuing to be developing technologies over these 400 years. So while we're traveling, when we arrive to you, well, before when we headed, we thought it was safe, but now we don't trust you, 'cause you lie. What other things do you do
like, you like? So they look at it and they're like, oh man, that's like, it was just really incredible. But that whole thing of, like, how long would it take civilization to come back after a major, like, cataclysm? And that's the thing you think. About the cataclysm, and you put it into the context of what we're talking about right now, you have to have a massive reset. You would. That's why term limits are terrifying to these individuals, because it's not the money they
make. What would they do? But it's the power they control or the perception of power, because it's the same thing as the value of a dollar. Because I say it's this value and you say it's valuable, then it is so. So it is. Make believe the entire time we just play make believe with each other. Gotta love this Fiat system based on nothing. Fun, right? I mean, we're literally you. Create something out of nothing. It's literally Monopoly. That's why money isn't.
Real to me, it's. Not real. It's just it's a fictitious thing and so it's like whatever you want some we could find ways to get it. It's there, it's it's real in some sense. So it's the same thing like when we talk about the the changing the idea of cannabis in the laws of perspective, you need to have a demand. It was proven in our state and I say that fervently. It was proven in a very
conservative state. That's against any type of different progression that unless what it's been told to them, we have the lowest alcohol drinking. In the entire USI saw a thing on that yesterday and I was like, but it it goes into it. It's like because we have really and we have really strict alcohol laws, which honestly, like I get for people who drink it can be obnoxious, but I don't drink as much anymore and I don't. But The thing is that those who consume.
A. Consume a good amount of cannabis usually find themselves drifting away from alcohol, so why wouldn't a state that thinks things are bad be able to do something that could actually promote less use of and? And if you're a if you like a spirit, you like your beer, cool. If you're driving around being stupid, fuck, I care. Are you beating anybody on this? Like can you get upset on cannabis? Absolutely you can. But you're not gonna be like way
more level headed, way more. And you're gonna. Think about you're gonna go back. And fix what you said, 'cause sometimes you say stupid shit. Yeah, way faster to go. Hey, I really am sorry. Instead of being drunk and doing something really. Stupid or saying something that you really can't take back. Maybe it was seated in your subconscious, maybe you think about it, but you never talk about it. But it's like you will apologize. Like it's interesting, 'cause it's you address it like way
quicker versus like alcohol. It's like it never happened. You're just like fuck it, I don't have that and then you just right. But the the the idea. That what I The perception from these individuals is not necessarily bad is that they're trying to protect us in one way or another and they're trying to make this decision from a parental idea of well, that's bad for you.
But it's the same thing like I told you about with what the health right where they're talking about eggs being just as carcinogenic as cigarettes like what oh are you one's a protein enriched with cholesterol that's good for your actually burning and inhaling into your lungs. I'm. Not sure how those and it turns into other food. That you already eat. Like what? This is a double food. This is awesome. This is a double whopper. Where they got that correlation
from, right? And so that's the same thing. I think it's this very weird perception that was it was propagated by an individual long time ago. We have moved past that. I mean, you think about with even when when you talk about social, social, political things, you know everything from the environment to sexuality, like there's a lot of different perspectives. Are everyone right? No. Is everyone need to be right? No, we all feel we do. Yeah, we we all want to be right in.
One way or. Another right. It needs to go based off of what we feel. And I don't agree with one individual who has an old perspective to continue to influence why I and you and everybody else who's listening don't get that right to just use it because it makes me feel better. And if if that's the case, think, cool, change your mind. But I want to see more of them. Like, you know what? If you think it's so bad, you need to try it. I think. And this is.
Maybe just my observation from a lot of like the political things I've seen is every Everything that I've watched is just even in like Congress, even in the House. It's all argumentative. There's no like. There's no like, yeah, no discussion, no like. Hey, I just want. To have a conversation with you so I can help you understand where I'm coming from. I want you to understand that this data and like it's always from defensive, frustrated, like either hurt or angry or scared
or whatever. Like I feel like there's always this emotion around it instead of just like I want to help you understand. That's it they. They should all have like a. Seltzer. Infused So when you're able to, and you have the responsibilities as a responsible cannabis user to be able to go look, my the perception of how cannabis is perceived is on me, is on. If I'm giving this perception of a cannabis. User How am I coming off and how is how am I giving this light of cannabis?
Well, I want this plant to be legalized. I want this to be approved. Well, if I'm showing up to you and I'm ignorant, I'm argumentative. I'm what? Well, what does that teach you? That cannabis consumers are, Yeah, that they're they're hard to. Deal with and they're not. They're really not. It's. It definitely lowers down a lot of these walls that are built up. You talk about racism, sexism,
you know, whatever. Any ISM, literally you're able to really get this out of the way where you can have hard discussions or difficult, difficult conversations with cannabis and actually navigate them a lot better. And even to the point where you know you're going off on a tangent, which we may not when we're really angry and we're not using 'cause if I go off on a tangent, it's a high thought usually, and then when it's. Disregarded and we go what was?
I talking about again, you're going to get rid of the bullshit. Like if I'm really favorite and very passionate about something, I can talk for hours about it on cannabis. Yeah, high the entire time. Oh yeah, because it's like, so there. And yeah, you know so much about it. It's but your brain when you're using cannabis it. Starts to get rid of that bullshit. So if anything, you know, while you're listening to this podcast and then, and I know we're talking about legalization, but
this is a very important part. It is our job as cannabis user to be able to change that perspective for others. If you're a good person, you're a loving individual, you're a good parent, you're great at your job, you're great at building businesses and serving other people. Like if that's the case and you're doing that, be open about it. We need more people being open about it instead of hiding in their closet. Yeah. Being a closeted cannabis consumer. Because guess what?
It's not 19. 30s anymore that brick has not involved anymore. Well and you found value in it so why are you hiding? That from everyone else. Maybe it's friends, family members, Co workers. Like if you own a company, who the hell cares what is? Like you said, it's not 1920s. Like this is a way more progressive mindset. We have education at our fingertips. Technology is right here. Like you can Google something and find answers in a second. There's no no necessary reason
at this point to be ignorant. We can choose to educate ourselves. And if it's having that discussion or going like, hey, I just want to show you this, like everything is right here. Yeah, it's all and it's all very normal. It it just, it is an enhancer of your life. You know, the way that media has portrayed cannabis consumers is always stupid and ignorant. And it's funny because it was illegal, so it was taboo. So it was funny. Oh, for sure.
And those who used it. Thought it was funny because you can see the moments of like, oh, this, this is your brain on drugs. This is your brain on this. And you're like, no, but I remember the moment that I really got sunk in the couch and was like, yeah, exactly. It wasn't, actually. I was fried or like. Couldn't function or like all these things that you're like, OK, you're like, no, it was just I was really high. Well, and even then, like, you know, you get.
Rid of a lot of the bullshit in your head of who you are and what you are and what you should be. Ego death. Yeah, huge on. On cannabis. On continuous. Use ego. Death really is a thing. You eliminate your ego. So I know we've gone off on many tangents here, but it's all good convo because you gotta think about the you gotta start having these conversations with other people. You need to start having these conversations with your family members if you're they're having
a hard time. Your, your boyfriend, girlfriend, your friends, your even your, if you have a faith, your church, 'cause some of them are not for it. Some of them totally are totally for it. They're like, yeah, go ahead do do you You do you. But at the same time, we need to keep it normal. It doesn't need to have barriers of political values, religious values, social values, it's all for everybody. And you wouldn't regulate somebody telling you can't have Hostess, right? I wouldn't tell you.
You can't buy a Twinkie. It's your choice or that too. Or even as a medicine, if they have medical value, who's 100% going? You can't go buy vitamin C you can't buy B12, you can't go buy aspirin. Like, who is actually regulating that going? You can't do that. Why is there a restriction around that? Yeah, I mean, even thinking about that, what you bring up like. You know, would cannabis hurt their industry?
I think a little bit. But yeah, you know, for an older generation, I think so. I just think they would come into the. Industry. So then it's just, and this is what I always don't understand with those people who lobby on either side of that, there's room in the industry. Yeah, totally. There's room for new products because it's been illegal for 100 years, meaning that there's been most of our crazy cool developments have been in the last 100 years.
So you're looking at that going, OK, well, what crazy cool developments could cannabis spring if we actually open the doors, if we allowed all of the mines to work on it and look at it instead of going, how many medicines would be developed right now? Yes. How many people could be helped? How many people would be helped? And then the quality of life of everyone exponentially gets better. Goes, Yeah, higher. And so you're like, OK. Not just that, but every person
they interact with. And then it's like, OK, well, it's the thing of like passing on good. When you pass on good, it keeps going. But if you're in a good mood because you're utilizing and your quality of life is better, well, you're always going to be passing on more good 100%. Like so it it just I don't understand where. It's been this like fear based thing when if you open the doors, like right now we've had
even studies. We can't fully study cannabis in the US to its full basis because the regulations restrict it to like really minimal amounts which aren't actually sold on the market anywhere. They've probably done more medical tests. Openly on So the thing that I was reading and this was actually. Kind of frustrating and I don't remember which program it is, but they are actually what they fund it for. And the studies is they only study the negative aspects of
cannabis. They don't actually study the positives, the medical benefits, any of that. And I'm like, well, that's really detrimental to claiming, like, to even finding out if it's a medicine because you already have medical patents and all this stuff. So it is medicine, but you're not allowing the data to catch up in the places that you say it needs to happen. So then open your doors for your scientists at least to allow them to study the products that are even being sold across the
board in your own country. Like, how are you? It's basically going, we're gonna test oranges to see what apples gives us. Yeah, exactly. Cool. Well, who cares? What apples gives you? You have oranges, yeah, it's it's the and. It that's where I I don't understand it. That's why. I That's why I think that and that's why. I keep going back on that. That's why I think it's it's just the perception. It is a it's been seen as bad and it will continue to be bad for that reason alone.
Not for money, not for, you know, control. It's just like just like you said, like if it was in vitamins, like where we could give vitamins and certain things, how many products would be developed now if it wasn't illegal back then? Supposedly over six, like over. 50% of Americans want legalization of America, of cannabis. So what?
What do you think that breaking point percentage of American support that it needs to actually get the senators in the House and that to finally listen to all of the American citizens who have been asking for this, you know, going, hey, we see this value. We have all of these states that have this medical value. What is that percentage of people that it's finally like, OK, wait, we are supposed to actually be in seats supporting people?
So at what point are we actually doing our agenda, someone else's agenda and not listening to the people 'cause right now, statistically, I feel like at that point, over 50% means that they're not listening. No, they're not listening in it and. The other side too, again, I just fucking that horse is dead. Stop it, Jesse. But term limits. Term limits. Because if they're it, it, I don't even think it's not the
money, dude. Like, why would you leave something where everybody and you get to a certain position? Like I said about Orrin Hatch, he may have been a really good gentleman and he must have. Maybe he may have been a really good dad or grandpa or whatever, But as far as a lawmaker, he was detrimental to the progression in that of Utah. Absolutely, absolutely and. And there are many that will
agree with me on that. But The thing is, is it was because of his perception and the reasons why it continued to be that way. Did we? If and because he was in office for so long, Decades. It's like we have Joe by. Joe Biden's been in political politics for over 30 years. Like it's insane. Which is crazy 'cause you think about it, that means. He was in his like, 60s then. Like, how was he functioning and thinking this year than that dude, that guy's been in like
40? I don't know how long he's been in Forever, dude. Forever. I mean, I could even say he's gone back into the 70s, about 100% term limits it has. To be put in place too long. If you're too long in there, you're. Not obsessed with what's right. You're obsessed with what I think, and that's a bad thing. Well, and if you're basing any
any. Of your decisions based on what you feel versus like the data and all of your constituents underneath you and what they're asking, well, you're not doing what they're asking you. Shouldn't be in that? Seat even then. Like, it's saying that, right? What's? More powerful, what you know or what you feel. It's always what you feel you will. You will always side with what you feel. So one of the things in order for them to get there is being able to make it where the data
helps them feel. And that's where I think if you want to be against cannabis, then you need to try cannabis, right? If heroin and cocaine are scheduled two, yeah, then in. Cannabis. Is not where you can reverse the effects almost immediately, even on onset. You can't do that with the other ones. You have to get introduce some hardcore fucking chemicals. Narcan is not a very nice drug. It is a it's it's a potent drug to take you from near death.
It's basically adrenaline and you're just shoving that in your nose and to be able to wake him up, 'cause that's what's getting him up. And so it's like OK. Well, you're willing. To do that, but you're not willing to look at a plant that worst case scenario and we've had no deaths from. Has there been?
Things have been. Related to it, yeah, if you had heart problems and you introduced that one, you could have got that from drinking too much fucking coffee or like the Delta 8 derived ones like there have. Been but there's no actual like real cannabis based death of like they died from cannabis. No. It takes me back to junior high. Remember the? Halloween, they had like these tombstones and stuff and one of them said died of of marijuana overdose.
And this teacher you could he was a hippie dude. He's like, that can't happen. And it walked away. We were just like what it was like in 7th grade. It was funny as shit. But no, it is that. It's these we gotta if if you're wanting to make this very harmless substance, I'm not gonna call it a drug anymore. Harmless substance that we have plentifully on this planet. You want to make it illegal because you say it's bad for people, yet so many people use it for good reasons?
Then you need to try it. Try CBD and I want you to show me where you're pulling that data. From I would love to see where you're pulling the information showing that it's bad and harmful. There are. I mean, we're not going to say there's. Not bad things to it. Putting flame to it, it is a carcinogen. Yeah, you can get carcinogens, but like it's. Been proven if you stop smoking joints or that the long term and bronchial effects on your lungs goes away.
That doesn't happen with tobacco or anything else. So Nope, it's not cancer forming. Yep. So you're like, OK, cool, so. It depends on maybe your particular method of consumption for that and there are way more. Opportunities and and and products these days that grant you that one. So if you have the perception this is bad, I challenge you.
I mean, I guarantee there's no congressman or senator, But maybe you are 'cause you're hanging out, you're in the back, you're in the garage, you're lighting up, going my favorite podcast. We can hope. And if so. Hit us up, We'd love to have you on the show. Have a chat? Totally. If you're if. If you're a politician. And you're for it or you're against it. Let's talk. I think it'd be an interesting convo. It would be an. Interesting convo.
I would definitely have. To be very medicated for that one, it's why we're doing what we're doing right now that makes a difference. The reason why is we're getting more people to be able to be open and talk about it and that's and that's that's so awesome. Even those who who who message us saying I don't use cannabis anymore, but I love listening to your show like it's true. That's cool. It's huge. Because it's like it. Shows the.
Impact of what it truly is doing and how many people are those people having conversations with, educating them because it's maybe you know, a ton. About cannabis. Maybe you know everything we've told you. Maybe there's one thing that you didn't, and maybe that one thing is something you can share with someone else. Yeah, so do so. Like and comment down below. Fill out fill out like. You know the little comment section we have on Spotify. We love listening to your
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