Welcome to Cannabis School. I'm your host, Jesse Angeles. And I'm Brandon Elder. And we're here to talk to you about everything pertaining to cannabis from vape, flower, edibles, strains and everything in between. Hey everyone. So August 29th, 2023, the Department of Human and Health Services proposed the bill to the DEA. And this bill actually goes into something that we really want to talk about today.
Now we we're really not legal on this podcast at all, but this directly effects you and I. Every one of us. Every single one of us out there in how we consume cannabis, how cannabis is involved in our lives. And how it will continue to in the future. So what are we talking about today? The rescheduling of cannabis versus the descheduling of cannabis, right 'cause right now the bill you mentioned or the proposed bill is to reschedule down to schedule 3.
Yeah. And to and to kind of keep that clear like schedule one, we've already talked about that many, many, many times. Has zero medical well, definite. And and what it's not necessarily. Value. It's zero medical value, but highly dangerous, highly addictive and highly addictive. Yeah. So they classify that one. Now there are certain drugs that are available right now that do not fall on that list that are completely should be on that
list. Well, they moved heroin down to a Schedule 2. Heroin has more medical value now, according to the United States government, than cannabis. Yeah. And and the reason why is because of the opioids and how they can make derivatives off of that. But when we look at cannabis? The same with cannabis. Oh totally. There are two cannabis derived products on the market and have been for years. Yeah the but there are few and far between.
I think they look at it where what what's going to be able to protect the people. But it's really not a lot about protecting. It's a lot about, well, it's a lot about regulating control. And even though you know, well let's let's kind of go into that, I want to hear your viewpoints on where you see the positives of a rescheduling of
Class 3, what you know. So I've actually, because we've had a lot of conversations about this recently and coming up on this episode and everything else, we thought it would be good to have good discussions and an understanding around it. But through these discussions, I've done more research on Schedule 3 on what that means, on the issues that I have around it, and it's kind of changed. I will say that my perspective has changed. With new information and new
data. I allow my mindset to change what I know. Weird. That's weird. How that? Works totally. Weird. Don't try that at home, kids. Or do don't ever change your. Mind, I recommend it, but so honestly, a couple days ago, a week ago, I was really not for rescheduling and at this point I'm still not sure I am. Right. And me too. But, but I do see more pros in it than I did before. Like one of the things, and we kind of have bounced off this a little bit, is regulation.
Currently, there's no across the board regulation. We have products even in dispensaries in legal states that are showing up with mold, with pesticides, with things that are harmful in it, then end up going to the consumer even in legal states. That's not even Gray market or legacy market or black market, whatever you want to call it.
So increasing that product quality would be a massive thing because there would be across the board regulations like we have with alcohol, like we have with medications or anything else. However, I still see that like how many Mon Paw shops are there that we know because of how cannabis has had to be structured as a business, we're going to go into like a 32nd business class here.
In normal business, you can pay every expense for your business before you pay taxes, meaning you're only taxed on the bit that is left over because that is all your company made. In cannabis, it's reversed. You pay your taxes first on everything, and then you still have to pay on top of that all of your rent managing expenses. So for a cannabis industry, they don't have the same budgets available because they're paying so much more to taxes than any other business that you see out
there today. And So what does that mean, kids? Well, that means that's why you can't make a lot of money as a dispensary bud tender. A lot of the jobs in the cannabis world do not make a lot of money, including trimmers and all these things. These are very important to be able to. Have many of those companies don't have a margin to increase these regulatory restrictions that would have to come in with it, they would, they would go out of business.
Yeah, absolutely. And then it's really hard when and we have it. I mean, there are other states that have the same prices, if not more expensive than Utah. Yes, because ours has gone down a little bit. When it first started concentrates were like 90 a gram. Now we've got some from 65 to 75. So it has come down, but again there are states that are still up more towards the 90 and that
which is insane. Well, in in a lot of it, you brought up over there the regulations and understanding that the products need to be better. One of the things that was actually brought up and the reason why this is, there's another part of this bill. The reason why is CBDCBD was being questioned because there's no regulations on the quality of CBD being put out there.
We had gas stations, CBD, yeah. Exactly like you get one of those and if you happen to know somebody that can run that through a test to be able to see what's in there. A lot of them are high in heavy metals and pesticides. And their Co As are never accurate like everything that's in the bottle dosing like product of the actual thing that are in there, it's not even the same.
I used to think that Co as were something that I could be able to go off of going, OK, that sounds really good, but in actuality like majority of them, I don't even trust them. It's like looking on the back of the cereal box going, does it have enough niacin or riboflavin? Like, I don't give a shit, does it taste good and am I going to eat it now for everybody? I don't eat cereal because I can't. But it it really just kind of thinks about like are people actually looking at the back of
the box if they look at the tin? That's what ACOA was supposed to be for. But we're learning that a lot of these people, they they it's so fudged. It's not regulated in a way to be able to really help the consumer and that's why we had this huge green rush of CBD companies like crazy. A lot of them are going away. Thank God. Yeah, thank God. Because there's a lot of shit product out there, yes.
And we've tried a lot. We've tried some products that have been sent to us that weren't the best. Others. And we've had some that are like the flavor's good, but the like the experience. It doesn't really do what you're hoping it would or like the flavor's horrible and the experience is horrible. I think there's been such a wide variety of OR products, as I'm sure you find. Yeah. And and or the business model, we were able to partner with a
really good product. I I still consider a very good product. Oh yeah. But it it's business model just did not mesh well with what we like to be able to bring to you that's that's why we review the products we have. But to not go off on a tangent there when thinking about the rescheduling, it is there. There's a lot of I I'm with Brandon I'm I'm murky on it. I don't see that this is an answer, but it is a step, but it's just. Like they do get access to more
potential. So this is my issue with a lot of it is some of the pros aren't necessarily pros, they're potential pros. Depending on how potential, yes, depending on how they choose to do things. It's like, well, there may decrease criminal penalties.
Not that it will, but it may. Well, I'm glad that you bring that up because there is a section in here within the bill that it talks about that where participants of the state legal medical marijuana industry who comply with state law, who would be shielded from federal prosecution if the rider were to lapse or repeal these persons again, would be subject to prosecution. Medical. With medical but when it comes. To rec users are there existing
already? No, that's the that's the other thing too with respect to manufacture, distribution and possession of recreational marijuana. If marijuana would be moved to schedule three, such activities would be would remain illegal under federal law and potential subject to federal prosecution regardless of state under state
law. And so it it it states there that those like we're talking Arizona, we're talking California, Colorado, Oklahoma, Florida, the states all the sudden and now each state is a label to cuz if we get real with this every single state that uses medical or recreational cannabis is still running an illegal operation underneath the DEA. Yeah, it is still a schedule. One 'cause it's still federally illegal regardless. And that's where when the farm bill was passed, there were
loopholes. And when President Trump had passed that that had gone through, that was towards the end of his administration and he had that had actually gone through. Not necessarily that he had did it, he just. Signed it during his administration. And that's another thing that I've learned about this too. Is that we may look at where the president will say and we're going to deschedule, we're going
to make it legal. What we've learned is that they don't have any say whatsoever under the legalization of anything that goes underneath the Attorney general and the DEA for this. And we talked about this yesterday that this has been a pattern, a cyclical pattern of every, at least from the time that I have followed politics, it's been a pattern. Elections coming up, Oh my God, we're going to legalize it. Oh, we're going to reschedule it. This is going to change.
And then it gets passed not as in past the bill, but as in past the time frame. And nothing's happened and nothing's happened. And then it just kind of gets swept back into it. And then people forget about that bill that nothing. Like they never really made any changes. They never made any active decisions on. And then it's four years later and we're back in the same boat of excitement of like, Oh my God, we might be rescheduling, Oh my God, we might be
descheduling. And it's like, but it's this same excitement of like holding over your heads of like, I got a treat, I got a treat, I got a treat. You're like, alright, fuck off it. Is exactly that where we look at what these and and this is nothing new. This isn't new now. They have been trying to pass these laws forever. Ages. How long is like the? Even Obama, where they considered him the most liberal of all of the presidents that it.
Came in there he. Denied it multiple times when it came across his desk when President Trump was in his AG. Who is that crazy guy from the South who is hardcore into this religion? He wouldn't even look at it. It sat on his desk his entire administration. When he was put out, that's when it was changed. Did that work? Yeah, I just have. Trying to figure out the the temp. Yeah, so cake. This company cake had sent us this little E rig, but then they'd also sent us this little
D8 carb. It was 2G just for a SEC. And their COA said it was THCA. So I tried it until I or their label on the box said THCA and I tried it and then I felt like this doesn't doesn't seem normal at all. So I read their COA and it all popped up as being Delta 8 and I was like gross. I don't trust that at all. And we tried it, we both tried it and it made us feel very. Did not like the experience. Yeah, I didn't like it either, but. This is an E rig, so it's my own
concentrates in here. I don't have to worry, but it's interesting. Little tiny. Yeah, I have no idea. Their runts? Is that what you said? A thing that I did notice, this seems to have the same carb button that the DAP X go. Well, let's see if this is it. Is it going? It doesn't look like it's on. Oh, it is. I just have you press and hold it, I think. So while Brandon is doing that that he brings up a really good point on Delta 8. And here's the misnomers.
If the rescheduling goes through that would get rid of your hemp derived product such as HHC D8. These ones would be on the chopping block. It would be. Any of the like, manufactured or they'd be gone. And if it and guaranteed that the they would go after those first before they go after any type of dispensary on that you have to remember that if it did go through, if this rescheduling went through which I am not optimistic about, I don't think
that that will happen. But if it did go through it will take years for this to actually take place and be in effect. Dispensaries would still be there. The only thing difference is that the regulatory things on these dispensaries would be much higher. So you might start seeing them drop off sooner than later. Yeah, you would start because they wouldn't be able to follow underneath the regulations, not even necessarily the taxing.
Maybe because if this changes the tax liability and allows the cannabis industry to run like any other industry does where they're taxed, you know after all of their business expenses instead of pre business expenses. Then maybe we won't see as many mom and pop ones still dropping off because their margins aren't as screwed because they have that that they can maybe put into, hey, we needed to do this
to match this regulatory. So you just hold the bottom and keep holding it and then pull and then I just kind of tap on and off of the carb one. That's smooth, though it gets a smooth little piece. Right. Wow, dude. I was not expecting that. It's pretty tiny. I like it. Dude, I like that option though. I could just hold the button for power and turn it off and it goes fast. Yeah, everything isn't that bad. All those terps are delicious. I love this Is the runt sauce with diamonds in it?
Yeah, it's delicious, These. Runts taste amazing, like it tastes like runts. Right. Oh, you got the citrusy notes. You get a lot of citrusy notes. But anyway, yeah, no, I I like where you're going. Because the the Why is it gonna be difficult? Why is it gonna be? Difficult for people, but if because because of that. What else is, what else is associated with it? The FDA will now have to be able to approve all cannabis. Yeah, and now that's even longer
process. Do you know how long it takes to approve anything? To get that in, Yeah. And you think about that. And also, so if those do, and this is something else we talked about, is even with descheduling versus rescheduling, either way you go about it, yes. I don't want to have more people in prison for stupid shit. They shouldn't. Do they should be. Everyone should be exonerated. Right, For all of this cannabis
shit, it should just be let out. The fact that, and even that's the other thing with rescheduling, it doesn't necessarily guarantee that anyone who's in prison for really stupid cannabis comes out at all like these. People will still be incarcerated. Yes, people will still be putting in prison and that was the other thing we had talked about is I think rescheduling does not allow, I mean rescheduling allows for the black market to still exist. Well, and and even knowing about
that, so there is an expert. He actually consulted everybody in the world and and knowing this is such a big thing right now because it's being brought up in today's day and age, we're not only setting the precedence for the United States, but they're looking at this as the world because of the United States changes their perspective and the rescheduling of cannabis, it's gonna change the entire world as far as their market is concerned, as the UN has been considered the United
Nations underneath our classification, our classification was a schedule 1 + 4, meaning it is extremely dangerous. That's the way it was scheduled. So that's why when we started that in the United States, our war on drugs, all that stuff. Oh yeah, Cannabis wasn't illegal around the world until we started pushing it and then it became, oh, the United States says Marijuana's bad in the case, so we better do it too. Yeah, exactly.
And that's and and and going back, I don't want to go too far before we're kind of bringing this to light. You know if if we look at with the FDA, what are some of the things that will have to happen. So upon FDA approval, manufacturers and distributors would need to register with the DEA and comply with regulatory requirements and that apply to Schedule 3 substances in order to handle those products.
So that means that every single individual that works there, from your bud tender to the trimmer, has to be registered with. And certified to do it and. What would be the requirements of that one? It would be insane. They have to figure it out. They don't even know how to manage it. But you think about that like on a certification process, when somebody goes through a certification, they've established that I have, I have applied education and I am at a
higher standard. It could be like going. At a higher pharmacy tech, you would have to go through some sort of education to have that basis of understanding on how to prescribe, you know, educate and to help the people because if they're putting it out as a medication, that's the other thing we talked about is like descheduling versus
rescheduling. No matter which you choose, some big money comes into it, whether it's pharma, whether it's tobacco and alcohol, someone with big pockets, yeah, come into it. And it's instantly like which business has the biggest priority that they're going to push this, you know? Or which one has the largest budget? Because then they can. I mean, money is the number one driver for these companies. That's why they create the products.
I mean, the way it looks like there are some good things like I've read about the possibilities and these aren't probabilities. These are possibilities that Medicaid and Medicare patients could be able to receive compensation for that one. So they would receive like like a SNAP card to be able to purchase cannabis cards at medical states. But the problem is the wreck states. Like, how are you going to convert wreck states into medical states?
And they had taught that this advisor did guy who's all over the world, you know where most of our black market comes from domestically. It doesn't come outside of the IT doesn't come from Canada, it doesn't come from Mexico. The only people who are getting Mexico swag weed. Is maybe Texas border. And San Diego.
No one else wants to get that. Well, the reason why this guy I talked about, he says, you know, the reason why they don't have giant black markets coming in from like Mexico or anything like that is because the quality of product is so low people aren't going to buy it, no. One's going to want it when we have really good quality here. So we're seeing like what we had talked about before, we have craft, craft. Cultivators, craft beer, craft everything.
Yeah, and now, why not have craft cannabis? We have. We have been very lucky to be able to get some amazing cannabis grows lately we were able to partake of some. We were able to go out and experience that in man. I'll tell you what this is some amazing flower. It was amazing flower so delicious but packed full of just amazing as we'll review some of those strains here in upcoming episodes.
But to pull it back to this, I I just, you know kind of all-encompassing and and take and I want your take on this. I think that the rescheduling is just what you said. It is a distraction. It is to make the masses feel like, OK, cool because. Something's going to happen. Yeah, like this president's going to make a change. Please know this. Whoever you vote for, it doesn't make a difference. They don't decide if it's legal or not. They don't.
They don't have that power. That's left up to the Attorney General and the DEA on these on this. Span of the Congress and everything. Like, it's not run by the President anyway. No, it's not there. There are several different judiciary, they're they're different bodies of government. But when we talk about this cannabis like, I don't know, brother, I almost feel like I would rather not rock the boat too much where we're at. I just, I agree.
But I hate where we're at in certain, certain circumstances. Like, I hate the fact that from one state to the next in the same United States that I have friends who. Get to run in prison. For the same shit that I'm smoking in my house, in my backyard, like that, I'm doing freely, openly. And I look at that and I go, I'm sorry, aren't we supposed? Don't you have the same freedoms and rights according to the United States Constitution as a
human as I do? Yes. So on that same note, I don't like that, I I hate that. And I I think what should be done is not a bill that passes. But if you really have a president that's going to try and rock that boat, they should exonerate every single individual with a with a caveat, every single individual that has been convicted of a cannabis related crime. Now if that crime is related to violence or selling other drugs along with fentanyl, cocaine, heroin.
Something different. That's a different charge. Total different charge. But if they're moving weight, like you're moving 10s, hundreds of pounds of, I mean I don't know who's moving hundreds of pounds, but they're moving 10s of pounds and that's a lot street value. But I I got to say that it's it's so much better to be able to get something that's Gray market than it would be to go
directly through dispensary. Not to say that we don't shop at dispensaries, we do all the time, but it it makes a big difference. It makes a huge difference. And the price and quality. I sometimes find that our outside sources are way better than dispensaries. That's because we have trusted outside sources who've been doing it for decades and they've got really nice indoor grow or green out. Like, everything we get is super nice, but at the same time there are people who get really shitty
black market ones. Yeah, but it's it's. Becoming less and less nowadays. Unless somebody deliberately like that, that video I sent you, that boy who dusted his girlfriend's joint with fentanyl and it killed her and he just put her in her bed and dad found her in the morning. I mean, this whole investigation had to go through like, that's just shitty people doing shitty things. But that happens I I hear about that.
Website with old. No, but it's usually, and this is, it's not usually cannabis consumers, it's usually heavy drug users, people who are like, oh, you overdosed? Well, we don't want to get busted, so we're going to go drop you off here. You don't overdose from cannabis. It's physically impossible to overdose. No human has ever died from the
actual consumption of cannabis. There's been mixed or laced or whatever things that have fucked with people, but no. Pre-existing morbid cannabis morbidity conditions, such as individuals having heart attacks on it. But usually that hasn't because they already had power. It was just but it was just an increase of blood pressure which triggered the event. But that could have been watching porn. Or anything else in their thing. It's not necessarily saying that it was the cannabis that caused
that. Right, exactly. But it was just associated with, right. But that that can be done with anything, just like what you had stated over there. Just because it's associated with something bad doesn't necessarily mean that's cannabis related. It was just cannabis was present. It cannabis was the friend that didn't know that the robbery was taking place and they were sitting in the car and then everybody gets in, go, go and. He goes like, oh shit. What? No, I was here. Hi.
What? What the fuck are you guys doing? Why are you guys children, man? Here, take another hit. Put the gun away. Yeah, I I I'm with you, dude. I just don't. I I really hate that part. I hate the part that people have been convicted of. Wait like you'll see like on the Utah news and. Stuff, even who, any other stuff moving it. People who are literally just consuming it. The end consumer where it's like, hey, this person got busted because they had like 10
cards. You're telling me that person had enough for them? Dude, I I wonder if you know and and and I don't know this fact, I would only assume that California has some of the best cannabis in the world. I I have never consumed outside of the state, but in the United States it is the best West Coast, best coast for me. I've had some really great Midwest strains. I've had some East Coast strains that are really fantastic.
But I'll tell you, once you've tried cannabis in California, you're like, yeah, but also being that great place of cannabis, it's probably by far one of the worst convictors of cannabis related crimes. I read that so marijuana close marijuana prosecutions tend to happen in state courts. So there were at least 209,000 arrests for possession last year, according to FBI statistics. Do they have 209,000? That's nuts. In one year just for cannabis. And you're thinking about now
this is medicinally accepted. Now I I really want to preface that too. It's recreationally accepted in areas. It's medicinally accepted in different areas. It is not legal. It is not legal by the standard. It is illegal. Now that's up to the discretion of the states. The states actually can be able to decide if they want to legally prosecute them. So they set guidelines and balances like if you're in possession of X amount. Which is a statute. Right.
And then on top of that, if you are in possession of non control, if if it's controlled substance and you have to have your prescription bottle with you, but you can't be smoking a joint in your car legally and thinking that you can't be pulled over right? Like you're just being stupid. I I think that, and I mean, I see videos on social media and online of people doing it, and personally, I think that's stupid. I would never drive in my car and smoke a joint. No, I.
Just don't. No, I've I've, I mean I'm open about that. Like I and I rephrased that. It's not smart, necessarily stupid. It's you're just thinking I'm going to head off to this area. I'm going to puff on my pen, But you wouldn't be rolling around with a doctor dab or switch or a bong in your car and let alone a joint because that's just a red flag.
And that's what I love about concentrate part products these days, is that it allows you that opportunity to continue to use your medicinal cannabis or your recreational cannabis in a way that is a little bit more discreet and it doesn't put a big old red light on you. But even with these laws changing that, that's a hit. Dude, look at that, that's there's probably still more in there in your in your lungs. But looking at the schedule three, I think it's a nice pipe
dream. I don't think it's something that has a lot of validity to it. I don't think that it will pass. I think this will be kicked down the road again, and we'll have to that. I I would like to see a president that would actually just exonerate those with nonviolent, medical with marijuana offenses. If they did that, dude, they're gonna get a lot of votes, especially within those areas.
Well, it's always like, oh, this person discharged of you and you're like, OK, but why are we only discharging a few? Why are we holding these other people at a higher standard or a different standard? Why is there a different standard in general, like from human to human? Because according to the Bill of Rights and according to the United States Constitution, you are the same fucking person as I am. So your rights should be the same as mine, yeah? But it's.
Not, no, it's not and that's not OK. So that's why I look at it and I'm like I don't think the descheduling like either way we're allowing somewhat someone big into it. But where we're at is also not working because we've got broken structures. We have people classifying it as a schedule one with no medical value yet we've paid for the research for over 30 years on this of going, hey, how do we or over 20 years, when was that 9898 that we paid to start getting Israel do research.
Well, it's over 20 years. So it's been over 20 years that we have funded the actual research to prove the medical benefits and yet we still hold this thing of going well. It has no medical value. We're going to put people in prison saying it has no medical value and we're going to restrict it in this way because it has no medical value. But like you should be able to grow this plant. I should be able to grow this plant. But we live in a state with regulations because it's, well,
again, it's. It's also younger on the on that state too. I mean in looking at that like medical states like the one the, I mean I do agree with you. I think that it's ridiculous that I shouldn't I could be able to grow this plant anywhere. I should be able to grow it in my backyard or in AI mean I wouldn't want to do that. Constitutionally, you 100% should. Yeah, absolutely should. But it's it's this regulation.
It's not regulation in the law. It's the regulation on the money and that's always what it comes down to. And you know, thinking about that though, like really we, we cut apart what we believe on, on the the rescheduling to a scheduled three. The good things that they're proposing is that now it'll be a prescription. Now some of the wonders on that one we had talked about and I'm like I I was under the belief that we'd keep dispensaries open and doing that. But you were exactly right.
If they did that and it's still a misnomer, we don't know 100%. It's all. Speculation at the moment. But for experts who've been in the industry for a very long time, they see it as that Walgreens, Rite Aid, All these places would have to be now your dispensary which would mean that if you got a prescription for Malawi Sunrise, which is a strain, will review Malawi Sunrise.
If you got that you would have to actually have that prescribed by a doctor based on your symptoms, your issues going on. I would prescribe we'll we'll give you some Alaskan Thunder fuck. Like, how would that conversation go? And I want to see that script pass. Oh my gosh. I want to be in the room for three to five milligrams of. Alaskan Thunder Fuck every three to six. Hours until truly fucked up. What do? You think about like they would have to be.
You think about pharmacists and pharmacies. They would have to be so incredibly educated. But the problem. Much more educated than they. Are. But you think about it now, like all of the strains that we had, and this is just my high mind going into the deep end. We'd see a lot of strains disappear and no longer available, because now we really. Wonder if flour would ever be available. I don't think so, because it would be derived down to a pill or to a a liquid form.
And that's that is also my concern is like, you're taking away my right, my true right to consume my medication as I see fit. Now it's OK in certain instances for them to go, hey, this manufactured pill needs to meet regulations 100 percent, 100%. Totally. Same with plants. I expect to go to the grocery store and not worry that all of the shit I'm going to get. I mean, obviously half of it's going to kill me. I expect that it's sugar, it's processed, it's garbage.
But like for the rest of it, I expect to go and not have to worry that there's poison spray on my my apple or that like, there's shit in. My brush, yeah. Like there's certain levels of requirements and standards that I expect at a grocery store that I would expect on a flower. It's the same level of standard that I feel like like that should be across the board and that's OK. But like don't go around and going like, hey, you need to do
this or you can't have flour. Like I think and obviously it's all speculation. We have no idea what will come into play. But there are a lot of concerns I have with that, like what is going to be managed? How are they going to manage it? What products are going to disappear? And for those who are already home grown, do they take that away from you? If you've been able to provide your own medication for whatever reason for however long are they going to then go?
Your medication is no longer valid because you don't have this license that you need to meet regulation standards to the FDA. Well, now to do your own home grow is what, $100,000 for the license should. I can't afford that. Exactly. And and here's another thing too that many people don't think
about. When the Farm Bill came through, what did that do that allowed us to be able to consume CBD and CBD related products, but because they're hemp derived which is still underneath the hemp bill, that's when you get these other things plus Thca which is the raw form of the flower, it is not activated cannabis and it stays in dry
weight of 0.3% THC. So with that, a lot of times if people don't think about what else is legal to be able to purchase right now every single day online and who would go out of business if this went through? Seeds, seed teller. You can buy cannabis seeds because they are not THC and you can be able to buy those seeds from any type of seed farm. But if this bill passes, those would be illegal and completely dismantled.
Well, it also talks about how many of the like D9 hemp based products would be and I think about that like cycling frog and they're like a lot of these are online products, they're not sold in stores. Most of the time you buy them online, they're shipped direct to your home, it's direct to consumer with these. So it's it's really hard for them to manage that and like it would just, it would change the entire thing and 100% it will like and we know something has
to change. But I feel like, unfortunately, usually the people who are making the decisions are the ones who truly don't put those types of thoughts into it. Unfortunately, like the ones in Congress voting on it, the ones doing, those who are like, hey, let's get this to the next step, they're not the ones actually to like studying it and going, here's how I understand this, here's how we truly help. Yeah, And and I've been thinking a lot about this, brother.
And you guys tell us if you think this would be a good idea. But I really think that we need to be way more active with our voice and I think we need to be more involved in being able to talk to these being able to go and and be almost a a what's it called a voice. Well not just a voice but a lobbyist towards cannabis and and not a lobbyist where it has a backing of like hey, we want to make sure that this certain company can be able to produce this type of product like like
you say it's for the. Consumer. It's a lobbyist for the consumer, for the end user of going. This is what we need. It really does and I think it's difficult because we have it. A lot of this comes back to what we how we got started in this anyways, right because of your investment in there and then me on the on the business end looking at the company.
Previous to that. Well, I I mean, yeah, we were both consuming cannabis, but I'm saying like really deep into understanding the plant and what it. Does for us, yeah. Because it's so crazy difficult. The things that we saw in Oklahoma, like there was a, a, a brand that had a massive outbreak in Oklahoma of hepatitis and where is that usually coming from? Usually from human waste used as fertilizer for these plants.
They had to recall and destroy all these things because people were getting in the hospital with hepatitis and all they were doing was smoking some weed. So it's just like the regulations need to be more strict, but not necessarily strict on penalizing, but just on quality, we're gonna, we're gonna use the protection. For the, it's the protection. For the person using it, that's it. That's why we why you don't see a lot of consumption in the
black market for ship product. It's got to be high quality product. That's why you got crazy grows going everywhere on private property and they're selling direct because they can and they're going to until they're found out and I don't think that's OK. I think that these farmers that have that they should be seen as the source of quality as opposed to some brand new person coming in and saying I've got a bunch of investors, I want to grow
cannabis because I like smoking. And it's a cash crop. Yeah. So I want to get in on that total. Horseshit, you know, and and not to to gloss over it, but I think the declassification, if they did that, it would be the Wild West. It would be crazy as far as businesses are concerned, quality of, but the other thing I see from that is the quality of products coming out would be totally different. They still have regulation on alcohol though, and that could be. Totally.
I could see that like on micro. Could still put across the board regulation of like if you want this to be sold in the market anywhere. Then it would be and that. Has to be the safety requirement. That's. How And that would have to go underneath the FDA Right Food Drug Administration because the it's. But it's. It's in between, if you really look at it, because anything hemp or cannabis cause cannabis is still considered hemp in many
aspects. My concern, like you said, is how long it takes to get anything approved through them. Yeah, it takes years. So how is the most effective way to have them do that? Or is it better to put in place another underlying umbrella underneath the FDA that is specific for this, kind of like how there's ATF alcohol is under that, you know it's not under the DEA, it's ATF alcohol is handled under alcohol. Like I wonder if we could have a
different. ACTF. Right. Or like even just alcohol, cannabis, the cannabis form that's like, hey, you focus on cannabis, you focus on quality, regulation, standards and they report up to the FDA because it is a separate thing still then any of those, it's still if they're trying to like no matter what, it's still going to be a medicine in some states it will
always be a medication. Hopefully the rest of the country will pull their head out of their ass and realize that it is a medication and we will have that. Yeah, Fucking Idaho, Texas. Well, Texas has have medical cannabis in certain areas, but. Only in like they limit. It and really hard to get, OK. But you got like almost hemp kind because it's like, oh, you can't have past this percentage of THC. So it's all these regulations of we should realize that this is a medication.
At this point, we should recognize that it's a medication. I think that's just it. It's it's not even the IT. It doesn't even go back to where a lot of people will put this on it. It's because of religious ties or anything like that. I think a lot of it just comes from the prohibition and being able to make money. Because even you come in like we both grew up in a religion and that same religion has that, or we grew up with the dogma of like, well. You more so than I? I didn't.
I didn't really. Marijuana was. Marijuana was bad. It was what was everybody. Looks. Exactly. But now even that same religion that you're in still is OK with medical cannabis when it's used as a medicine because it's understood that this is a plant from God. Like, if you believe that this came from God, it's a medication. It's used correctly to help heal and, like, do all of these things. So it's this weird thing to look at and go, hey, we need to put this on it. Yeah, I I agree.
I think it's really, really nearsighted for for anybody to be able to assume that this is actually going to like either way, dude, it's going to cut us either way if it does. But I I I might If I'm going to put a look at my crystal ball, this is a distraction. It's not going to pass probably. I think, you know, look, if anything was to go forward, I think, you know, changing these bills, yeah, great laws.
Fine. Let's focus on those people that are incarcerated for nonviolent cannabis related crimes. Yeah, they should be out free. The one interesting thing though is most of the other previous bills that have been introduced have been introduced by a congressman or someone else, and this one was actually introduced from. Human and health services. Yeah, on a recommendation from some other department. So this one and not it feels a little bit different because of that I feel like.
But again, that's just my perspective. No, it does it. It definitely did. Because before it was usually an individual, like you stated, like a congressman, a senator saying, hey, maybe we should, could we do this? And they're like, fuck off, All right, We'll ask later, but as a larger department, because they're asking the and they're not asking the government, they're asking the DEA we need you to reschedule this.
And this is the reason why. Is there more basis that like is there more of a reality behind this one this time then? I think what it will do is it will change the story and it will change the opinion as far as in the federal government. Because before I think a lot of these senators and congressmen, these old whiteheads that are in there, the reason why they they're only looking this as a profitability for crime because that's what cannabis was related to, was crime related activities
because it was illegal. And it hasn't been a long time since the war on drugs. Before, yeah, wasn't something you should do, but I mean the punishment was not even anywhere severe as it was when they started this. And this didn't start during the Reagan era. This started in the 70s and really going after cannabis. But the idea that if we change these laws and they're going to be able to increase things, I see it the noose tightening.
But at the same time, Utah is a legal medical state now. Neither one of us thought that would happen. No, I was really, really surprised when we collected signatures and then you know Prop Two came into fruition.
But we still have medical and that was like surprising because looking at all of these other states that are out there that are still not legal even on the medical stance, like it boggles my mind because I love you guys in some aspects, but I feel like Utah has pretty close minded perspectives on a lot of things. I agree. I agree. I think it's something that needs to be opened up more. But honestly Brandon, I think that's something that we need to
be championing as well. So if if we have this voice, you know all over the world, you know our, our mad love, our United States is 100% our biggest supporters in listening to us. And that's what we mean by supporters. You guys listen, you guys engage with us. And I got to say that if we've been able to get to this far, we continue being able to be
educational. But we start getting more involved with these things on a local and on a federal level and being able to, because we have a voice to be able to talk about it where we're not. You mean no offense. We're not like these dreadlock Rastafarian dudes who are white living out in the Midwest. What? Yeah, bro. Need to legalize, bro. Legalize that, man. But you can't just, you can't let the genie out of the bottle that easy. There's no way and. Why would it be safe?
I feel like there has to be. We've seen too many fuck ups across the country from from like actual legal companies who are putting out products to sell on the not Gray market on the actual legal market. We're worse to telling everybody that this is a type of product and there's nothing in there. There's no THC. What's? In there mislabeling and like selling products that are not what you're telling people. Or the hemp flour that's been
sprayed with. Delta 8 and it's like, cool, this is what this is. And you're like, no, that's just anxiety. You're not giving anyone a quality product. You're it's like shitting in a bag and going, look what I got you. And they're like, Oh my God, thank you, Like, no, look at this. Beef Stew. Yeah, but you it's it's this quality, that's all it needs it. It just needs a regulation level of quality and to go we don't need to allow, it doesn't need to be a big pharma thing.
It doesn't need to be a big alcohol and tobacco. It needs to be like any other business that a business owner can run a cannabis business like he would any other company in America. Agreed, agreed. I think it if we're able to come to a census of more on I I would say like I would like to have more laws per first go through on the lessening of the prosecution.
Oh, yes. Dropping it down lower, I mean even if it's a schedule one over there like you just have to put over there, like what are the crimes that are related to this? You know what the cannabis crimes are related to cannabis selling cannabis. Yep. Oh, this person was selling cannabis. OK, so you're mad because you didn't like. What is the issue here? Yeah, I mean, I'm not to say that there hasn't been violent people on cannabis and being violent, but, you know, that's just the.
First majority, like most people, are going to be way more chill, way more logical. Be able to, like, hear someone else's perspective that maybe they wouldn't. I think of being able to lessen the laws, free these people who are in there on non on nonviolent cannabis related crimes and by being able to focus more on the education for law enforcement because law enforcement, the more they know the less they're going to be able to go after it.
And legislature, I think if we could genuinely educate legislature, yeah, unfortunately, I still feel like most of it is like business money focus, even though the education might already be there and the knowledge might be there, the funding and the backing for what they're wanting and. That's where I wanted to go to is that if, if, if, the if the governing bodies so be, it could
be able to release funding. Like, if you can get $10,000 to study the mating habits of frogs, you should be able to have more studies done on cannabis on specific ailments and specific areas of the body the mind. That is one thing that I will say I would rescheduling would allow for right now testing of cannabis sucks because this is one thing that we've heard across the board is most of the products that they're testing that they get to test are like
three, 5% THC. They're none of the products that are actually on the market that consumers are using. So their tests that they're doing are not accurate and they don't have accurate data to support it because they're not testing the actual things that are being used. It's like going here we're going to test oranges and see and we're going to go apples. Give us this reaction. Well, you haven't tested apples, you tested oranges. So you're not going to get any data for apples because all you
tested was oranges like. So at least the the rescheduling allows that allows them to go, hey, you can test these types of products, you can see what the interactions from these doses are versus right now we're testing shit that isn't even it doesn't make sense. No, it really doesn't make sense. And I I completely agree with you. I'm, I'm really happy how this went because I mean I think this is good.
We we're actually more on the same side than we both perceived before, which I kind of I wanted to build that up by you anyways because I knew you'd be on the same side of many things and I would be on a lot of same side as you. A lot of it is like the feelings I have from what I've observed in industries, what I've observed in this industries and just observations of political like politics and how and going
I don't trust politicians. I don't trust them enough to go, yeah, this seems like you're going to do good here, here, here, because where have they shown me that ever in the past? Could you imagine if we were like, in one of those seats and presenting from Utah to Mr. Brandon Elder? Oh my goodness, I'm here. Over there, Go. Sorry guys, my eyes are red but this your message still has the same touch so. Go listen to Cannabis School on Tuesdays. Yeah.
And Thursday's new weather Thursday, Yeah. But it it's I I agree. I think that this this is something that is to be continued there's an ellipsis at the end of this where we're going to be able to go look it it the story's still going to go on it's going to change. I'm I'm happy to hear about many new states are are being proposed to be able to go medical. I see more states going more medical than rec and and I I I really. I'm OK with that. Caught on both of. Them as long as you have.
Like, I love California's medical program. Hey, why are you here? Well, I'm sad. OK, cool. Well, my eyes hurt like, you know, whatever it is. And. You get a way stronger, yeah. And you're like higher amount. Cool. It's like the same as going You went to the doctor, the doctor told you that you probably should take some more B12, some vitamin C and this. Well, cool. Do you need to have someone holding your hand for that? No. You go and you get some B12 and some vitamin C and you take
some. That's it. There's nothing more to it. Yeah, and it should be the same way. That's how I see it. And it's like, OK, cool. Well, if I'm looking at this as my body has an endocannabinoid system, it naturally produces endocannabinoids, well, I can introduce other ones. Isn't that the same as any other vitamin? Yeah. Or medicine that has been created by the FDA or approved by the FDA to allow you to feel or get a sensation from that one that's going to benefit your
health like that. That's the way it should be looked at and cannabis is definitely on that one. Now is it a cure all? No, as no medication is a cure. It is a ability to be able to treat the symptom or to be able to help. Maintain of life and that for me has been the biggest factor of using cannabis is I have noticed my quality of life has improved 100 times fold. Easy. True. Me too. I I feel, you know, just to
become a little transparent. My wife and I had a conversation about that and she's like, you're full on addicted to cannabis. And I'm like, oh, yeah, sure. Just like other people are addicted to aspirin, addicted to ibuprofen because they have pain all the time. And saying that, you know, cannabis is a vehicle to be able to help us in many different ways. And it doesn't necessarily have to be. I don't. I don't use cannabis because I'm just like. I just like the feeling.
But you're not high all the time. You are using it in a mannerable level that it's like, cool, I have this dose because I don't want to be high, because I know if I am, I can't focus, I can't work, I can't do all the stuff that I need to do on a day-to-day basis. I'm not soccer mom. I'm not stay at home, dad. I'm the We're like, whatever you are, most of you aren't trying to get sent to the moon. You're not trying to get high as balls. You're trying to just live a
better quality of life. Agreed. That's it. And so you're right, you are addicted to a better quality of life. Just like she takes what, Anti anxiety? Like some medication. She takes her. Medication to increase the quality of her life. Exactly. And that's the way I look. I think it should be treated as as equal on that one.
So for those who are not open minded to cannabis, you have to be not open minded to a lot of medicine and that including Easter medicine because they're using a lot of plant derived suggestions of that. And then you have your naturopath doctors, which you're going to think about anything that's going to be plant or elimination? Also, naturopathic is more focused on what is the underlying issue that is actually causing.
Like what is your root cause? Most of western medication is hey, here's some symptoms, let's throw medication to address these symptoms. It's not ever addressing the root cause, it's just throwing pills at a symptom and going, hey, let's see what this does. Well, now you've got more symptoms, so now you need more pills. Yeah, that's where I I really, I would like the, I would like a version of this. And if it does pass, you know,
we'll, we'll see what comes out. It won't be an immediate change. I mean it'll take time. It will take time. It'll take a year. Or two to they might recognize in that change or things like hey. We need to make amendments. We screwed up or this won't work the way we thought. We have to alter and adapt because you don't know what you don't know 100%. And we realize that through all of this, like, how many more times have we learned a new piece of information? Yeah. Oh crap.
Change our. Perspective real quick. Yeah, well, it's like with anything within cannabis, you know, the more open minded you are about it, the more you're gonna realize that it's just a different way that you can be able to consume this product. It's the same way when we see it as a law or anything else that's associated with it. But all right, well to be continued on this, we'll follow this closely. If there's any updates, we'll let you guys know. Go ahead and give us your two
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