Welcome to Cannabis School. I'm your host, Jesse Angelus. And I'm Brandon Elder, and we're here to talk to you about everything pertaining to cannabis from bait flower edibles, strains, and everything in between. Hey everybody, we are excited. Yeah, we are thrilled, Joyed. Super fucking excited we are. Yeah, we'll see right there. There's like neon lights. Keep you.
But no, we're we're really we. We get a chance every once in a while to be. Excited, we're very micro excited, not not micro excited like it's cold outside. Micro excited right. It's it's more light of where. Like it's always micro, even when it's not cold. Is that is your mom tell you everything. Yeah. So you know we don't get to talk about when we get to do a 101, we have probably that's by far the hardest type of show to be able to create.
Yeah. I think our 10 ones, we try and make sure that there are a lot more intentional and designed. Yeah. And I mean, not to say that the strains aren't intentional by design, but it's a little bit more free flowing. We review the strain, but when we talk about a one-on-one, we want to make sure that it's going to be something that we not only feel we practiced ourselves, but we wish others would practice. And that's today's topic is microdosing. Yeah, microdosing. THC and shit.
We're going to talk about microdosing. Psilocybin as well, Yeah, absolutely. Both of them. Very medicinal and thinking about microdosing. Very intentional. It has to be, but it's also a very kind way to bring somebody into cannabis or. Psilocybin, yeah exactly because it's not the full blown effect, it's very mild.
So focusing on THC right we we got, we're working with the company that specifically focuses on micro dosing and it's it's it's really nice on the sense because it's it's easier to talk about that to talk about THC micro dosing and then levels of micro dosing so. Let's talk about why even micro dosing though. Because THC cannabis specifically in high dose has the opposite effect often as it does in a low dose or a micro dose, correct?
So often those people who get anxious, stressed, whatever, from cannabis, they're not dosing it like. Maybe it's just the dose. I think it is is the dose where like we enjoy flour. We always say flour first. That's my favorite. But there's multiple reasons why. So you can microdose with flour very easily. Yeah, it's taking minute about where you could do one hit worth if that's where you want to
start. And it's it's a little bit more intimidating because of the culture of smoking and how it is wreaked havoc on Americans and people all over the world, that it wasn't going to affect you. It's the whole thing of like smoking is bad. And even the right the perception, a lot of people don't want to be perceived as someone who's smoking. Well, because what's the connotation of somebody who smokes? They're dirty to disgusting. Yeah, right.
It was like my daughter, she saw me smoking my happy camper while we were camping. So I was a happy camper because I was smoking my happy camper. But when I was smoking that, my daughter came over and told me she goes, Dad, you know that's
bad for you. So we went through that whole conversation back and forth of being able to understand, yes, I'm not going to lie, yes, this there's a burning plant in here and it it will affect me. Inhaling something burning into your lungs is not the best, right? I mean, most of us who live within urban settings or in large cities, we have to deal with a lot of smog. Utah is not a great place when it comes to pollution.
Horrible air quality. And it depends on where you're at in Utah. Yeah, you know, if you get in higher elevations, it's a. Oh, you get out in the mountains outside, dude. Oh, it's amazing. You don't. You've never smelled air so clay. Ever. It's delicious, but in the Valley. Oh, it's just pure garbage. And then and we've had a really good year. I would say it's not as much smog as previous years. Winter.
Winter was the worst used to be, but this last winter at the end of it, it was really nice, right? I think we had more snow than we've had in ages though, so it helps. Yeah, that would have topic. Yeah, random tangent, yeah. But when when we're talking about being able to use cannabis in those micro doses with with flour, I would almost be, you'd have to be guided by somebody who knows what they're doing on that yes, because you can't just roll up a pin joint and say here you go.
Well then you wouldn't like. It's tough because you never know what is a lot, yeah. And it's hard to dose if you have no idea what a dose is. And if you're going into it on your own with a new product that you have no clue what to do, it can be kind of scary well and people can think of it almost as CBD. When you get into CBD, there are measurements to be able to take and how much it's going to be.
We tried that, that one product, that CBD product and even though that it was really good, it was really good. It was very medicinal and I am. An organic ground, not for the flavor, no, but for definitely not for the flavor medicine. Yeah, but it's it's going right onto that point.
It's if you're treating it like medicine it will be medicine and and that's let let's talk about the micro dosing that I feel is really pertinent to be able to understand in in from a personal from from my aspect from your aspect right. We talk about depression right. Just because you read about a strain saying this is great for depression and you are very new
to cannabis. The wrong thing to do is go out there and buy yourself a bag full of indica edibles and thinking that that's going to help or sativa edibles because somebody told you sativa is a great way to get rid of depression. Not so, not so. There are so many different types of strains in the in the terping. Profiles. Profiles. Really, totally change the experience. That's why different grows have different type of terping profiles in different
geographical locations. So when we're talking about Michael Dobson with THC, the idea of going to an edible has always been very upsetting to me because unless you have done it yourself, and even then, that's a little bit of a crapshoot. And in dosing by any means is not like pinpoint accuracy, but it's pretty damn close. You can get, but the like it's hard because you still have to count for degradation of quality like right, Even over temperature, what was your
percentage? And a lot of them will still like you'll get ones that test their end percentage, but I feel like well, and it's an investment too because if you think about it, there's not really a whole lot of options in any type of dispensary that's going to say here's a micro dose and then you will have advertisers for certain cannabis brands that will not bring up their name that I don't agree with on how they're being able to proposition edibles to
everyday people. I don't care if it's a hemp derive D9. Yeah, it's still that's THC, the same 100% and that is going to turn into 11 hydroxy THC and it's going to be 5 times stronger. When they digest it. Yeah, exactly. And so that's irresponsible. I believe that even the advertisement going, hey, smoking a little harsh on your lungs. That's right. Because I eat these edibles that fuck me up, right. That's what's going to happen. And that's not a very safe microdose. Not at all.
It needs to be mild. It needs to feel gradual. So that's what scares people from going into cannabis or leaving it completely. So and we talk about this like edibles are terrible because of that. That dose of like, OK, 1 milligram, if it's five times stronger is 5 milligrams if you're digesting it as inedible. Yeah, you don't think about that 5 milligrams is now 25 milligrams if you're digesting that as inedible. So if you're having that, OK, maybe your dose is really small,
but like. 25 milligrams. Think about that. If someone's going, hey, I took a 10 milligram edible because that's supposed to be a dose, right? This is my first time, right? Well, that just digests. Now that's five times stronger. That's 50 milligrams equivalent that you just ingested. You know what I just thought about? I thought about that video you did when I took 250 milligrams milligrams. Yeah. And if you did the math on that, right? But that's like 2500.
It's not. It's not, but it's not bad. But I'm I'm saying for many people though, for you who are a little bit more experienced, right, because you have certain physical circumstances that are going on with your body, right? None of them have to do with erectile dysfunction. Just clearing that up. Not at the moment. Just clearing that up. Maybe me. Not him anyways, my old ass. But you know when?
When you've got all of those things going on within your nervous system and your CB2, that's hard because your body needs a lot of of stimulant outside to be able to take away from that pain. Yeah, it takes a lot to get rid of it, right? I mean, you think about people who are suffering from the. I don't know what the fuck you got going on with. You called fibromyalgia, right? Oh. God and people. So bad for them. It's just an autoimmune disease
that has no name. It's just like we don't know what the fuck it is, so. What's this now? Best of luck. Yeah, good luck. But hope you can smoke some weed, right? And that's exactly what it gets pointed to. But when you're getting into it, say you just recently were diagnosed with fibromyalgia, the worst thing to do would be to go consume an edible that you have no idea of the strain and that's what the experience or the experience or the dose.
And that's the other thing. That's why I think of micro dosing Products are a great entry to be able to help those who are one. They don't want to smoke it, but they definitely want to eat it and and it's not a shameless plug like I like this product for that reason. Would I consider this to be an everyday product for a more experienced user? No, but it's great to have on hand which one is discreet with the Chill tablets. So let me throw in my 2 cents on that.
OK, because even as a. Heavy medicinal user. I still use the Chill tablets and then it feels it feels decent. It's it's a nice. For the THC, because that's 2 milligrams, 2.5 milligrams of THC per tablet per tablet. But it's got like tons more cannabinoids in there than that. I know. So you're not going to have that feeling of any high anyway? I do. I feel really relaxed. Yeah, I feel the other cannabinoids. Yes, I don't kill the THC because it's such a mild.
Dose for you. Yeah, for me, my dose. I already have so much more in me that 2 milligrams isn't touching me. But the Cannabino, the other cannabinoids is what I feel. Yeah. So even as a daily heavy user, I still value and really like the chill tablets that it's like if I'm feeling a little tense or just like. I need to take the edge off. I just pop one of those. Yeah. And it's one of the great things about it as well is I I like the
consistency of feel and that. But I think about myself if I was starting out not like that we we we've talked about so many times like when we were was like my first real smoke sesh. Yeah, right. And it's like I had way too much. And then the buddy that you had here, he was like, oh, you got to try this. You got to do this. You got to do this. And it was just like, whoa, that's too much. And I am told no, I'm good because I am like, I can't even, like, focus on anything other than this.
Like freaking. Tiny tube of light, yeah. It's just like what is going on? But being slowly introduced to cannabis, there are people that are going to be a little bit more apprehensive about it because of the the the smoking part. Yeah, we've already talked about edible part. It takes a long ass time. So the best way to do it if you're getting new into cannabis, but I think these discrete tablets are fantastic.
So my grandma that I made edibles 4 years ago, yeah, yeah, she started getting head pain again. And yeah, and she asked for cannabis because in the past it was. Up to fentanyl. She tried every single thing and it was even fentanyl and it wasn't working. And that just makes my skin crawl. Yeah, it just, it's horrible. So now when this came back, she instead of going to the doctor was like, hey, can I get cannabis stuff for that?
But it's bad enough that she's actually asking for something, because she that's going to be a lot of pain. Yeah, she usually just lives with it like she's from that generation of. Yeah, we don't take anything. We don't need anything. I'm not bad. Like so, yeah, The live in the live in pain. Yeah, they exist in pain. Their existence will be miserable before they will take something.
I'm like, I don't. I don't understand that because I live with chronic pain every single day and I can't imagine going. No, I'm not going to do anything about it. I'd rather just stay where I'm at, yeah. Like. I get surgery can be terrifying for some things and some aren't. Like they said, my back was inoperable at the time. So for that, it's something that I can understand there being a fear of. But why? Why hate yourself that much to put yourself in that type of
pain? I think the stigma too with it is that pain meds are a typical go to right away, right? Because that's what was pushed for a really long time now. We know the average effects. We know that people still get addicted to it. I mean, the numbers have dropped, but it's still pretty high comparatively speaking. And it's it's harder to get where you have a natural painkiller in cannabis and that's no lie.
That's not, you know, somebody trying to, if you're sharing this with somebody who just goes, yeah, whatever, you know, cannabis, that's not going to be able to help me. Well, it's good to start out in micro doses because then now you can like these tablets, right? Like I've I've given them to family members and my my sisterinlaw has. She's had a very rough life. Let's just say that she's had a very rough life. Two kids from two different dads. Both.
In a second, I had to think. And I'm like, Oh yeah, yeah. And it's just tragic. It's very tragic because it's where that and she just suffers with this like pain of feeling like an elephant's on her chest and got to. Be a lot of stress. Oh yeah. And and she's had like she's gotten, she's been able to get like the like syrups, the THC syrup that you can put into like water or something like that, like water soluble but more on
the flavor side. It's not something you would put in a drink, it's something that you would just shoot. Oh, weird. Yeah. And it's it's OK, but it's inconsistent for her because it's more THC focused and so she like every once in a while just take it and she's like, I feel good, fuck the world, I don't care. Just depends on her mood. Everything else is going on. What's going on with her
exactly? And it's too much like she can't just do that in the middle of the day because she doesn't know how her body's going to feel. But I gave her these and she was able to feel like there wasn't an elephant sitting on her chest. She just felt like, that's huge. Ohh, could you imagine? And it was really hard for her because she didn't want to get, you know, messed up in the middle of the day. That's the reason why micro dose is so much better for those who are getting into it slowly.
Even then like because my wife is the same way she micro dose but now she she can enjoy cannabis just like I can. Do you really want to get messed up during the day? I don't. I don't want to get messed up anytime. Yeah, I don't have a desire to get, like, messed up. And even during the day, there's times that I'm like, man, I wonder what it would be like to. Feel some of the highs that I did when I first started but
then I'm like, but why? Because I can still take an edible or go puff on a pen and go wander an Art Museum and enjoy feel it. I can still enjoy the same experience. I don't have to be crazy high, but I also don't have like, it's ridiculous for me to go take 800 milligrams, I feel like. And go to an art gallery. Yeah, I I I totally get. And it is.
It's different. I remember like when you got me those disposable pens from Colorado, whenever you would go up and I would puff on those and I would be like out of my mind trying to mow my lawn. My lawn wasn't big lawn, but it would take Me 2 1/2 hours to mow my yard because that's wild. I was just having a good time. I but I wasn't the thing. If I look back at it, I would have more appreciated being able to slowly get into it, to appreciate what I'm feeling.
And that's why and and I won't. I won't keep being this dead horse. If anybody thinks we're just trying to pitch him because it we really enjoy them because of that. Reason alone is that it's a consistent feeling. It's small, it's not large and it doesn't last long, but it kicks him pretty quickly.
It's around about 20 minutes like Max, but I can feel it within 10. That's another struggle with edibles is it takes so long to kick in, and even if you're even if you're trying to microdose and you're giving someone a small piece of an edible okay, maybe it was two hours and they still didn't feel anything. My first time was like 2 1/2 or three hours. I didn't feel it. I took two more. And then it all kicked in later and I was like, holy fuck yeah, I'm high.
Well, and that's that. Talking about that, like when you when you get those feelings from an edible, it's you're not dosing it, OK? You can't tell me you're going to rip apart unless that thing was a perfectly made square, right? That was 100% like evenly distributed, Yes. Molds. Because they're never that way. Never. They're never, they're shapes and they're never the same. Like, we'll take nerd rope. OK. The nerd rope ones, right. They're 500 milligrams for a
nerd rope. Yeah. You're not going to dose that properly. You're not. Well, and it's, it's going to be 500 milligrams for the entire rope, right. But what side got more? Because that's not going to be. Exactly. And it's that's the problem. So it's like any other edible. You have moments or pieces of it. If you were to break it up, you're like, OK, this piece, I hardly felt anything. This piece I felt a lot. This piece, I didn't feel anything at all. Like there's so much
inconsistency. I feel like if you were to break that up, because usually from one small section to the next, they're not 100% the same like molecular breakdown. No, not at all. And any just go into it. What? What do they do constantly when they're manufacturing these things? They're looking for fun ways to be able to go, hey, it's not, it's not plain Jane. But again, I don't need my medicine. To be candy.
And I have to You reminded me of that today when I tried the CBD products that we we tried earlier and we'll do a review on it later on. But it it wasn't my favorite taste. No, but when you talked about being medicine. My medicine doesn't need to taste good. If we think back to old times. Medicine, even medicine. Now my aspirin doesn't taste good. My Tylenol doesn't taste good. Yeah, but you can get candy coated. You can't. But then it's just coated with
something else. Yeah, and it's not the actual medicine. The medicine tastes like shit. It will. Let's talk about, I mean, just even burning the plant, right? Yeah, there are flavors that we can taste, but that's more for an experienced user. And I will say the happy camper really helps. Yeah, because it has that like the filter. And that filter makes a big difference. Huge difference in the flavor of it. Well, and it it just makes it. I don't know.
It's just a clean way to dry, herb, yeah. It's the cleanest way to dry herb and and that may even go for vaporizers like some vaporizers. Don't already be able to pull that out so you don't get the same carcinogens because you're not actually burning it. When you don't activate the Fame 2 flour, you don't have the same carcinogens. Because you're baking, you're baking it, yeah. So usually you're not activating that. That's well, unless you can like like the mighty Plus you can nuke it.
You can turn it up pretty high. Yeah, you're getting up to 400. Ohh, mine does that too. On my your doctor solo too. Ohh yeah, your solo too. My doctor Dabber. My I honestly, I've used that for flour once and I was like man, just to try it. And I'm like, I like any of my other vaporizers for flour better. So I just I prefer that one for concentrates and it's great for
that but. Yeah, no. And and another thing like on man, you just made me think of it. Like, that's one of the reasons why I really like Teen Cheers. Because yes, the whole bottle, you can, you can get that going. But if you are stepping up your micro dosing game, it's where you can go from drop. Yeah, and that's how I've gotten my dad, my mom and my girlfriend all hooked is all just with drops.
It's all drops because it's like I can dose you down to the point that you're not going to get high, right? And you can get the experience of no stress, no infection, no pain or sleep, whatever it is that you're needing, just depending on dose. Well, and the experience is going to be different from when you smoke it. So when you talk about micro dosing with smoking cannabis, a really good one is to use a vaporizer.
I feel because it's it's a smaller bowl like take the Pax Three that I used to love, I used to love love it. It's such a tiny bowl you don't need and you can get like the cap over there when you put it down. It'll make it even smaller, like it's smaller than the just doing a half bowl in that and it's a great experience if that's what
you want. And when you talk about vaporizing, that should be talked about with microdosing, not going flame to flour because it's a lot more difficult unless you know your dose well. Because let's say that for the first time you're actually going and you don't have a joint. Or even if you do, the problem is, if you've never smoked before, you're probably going to inhale too much, Too little. Or not at all. Not at all. It'll go into your mouth and not your lungs.
Like there's all of these things that you don't realize and you might not even feel. And you're going to go to it and go, man, that experience wasn't anything what I hoped it would be. And that's what's going to push people away from it. Yeah. And they they don't like the experience. And what do you typically hear and the horror stories. And when they don't microdose or they get way too high because
it's even with taking a hit. OK, well I didn't know, so I lit the whole bowl and I just took like, I just kept pulling. How much flour was it? Yeah. How much did you hit? Like, how big was your hit? How much did you inhale? And so it's it's so nice to have a friend or someone there to go, hey, go low, go slow. No, that that's a big hit, all right. Shit, I yeah, even the hit that I just that's another thing to talking about that because you can lessen the effects of your
THC. So we did a review before this, right? And I took the CBD after and it was that very strong tasting CBD. It was very potent. Within minutes, yeah, I felt a dramatic change in how I felt. And by the time we got minutes, 3 minutes, I'd say, yeah, two or. 3 minutes. I mean, it kicked in. It was fast. That was super fast. That is by far the strongest CBD
I've ever tried. Really I 100% because I'm more sensitive to it only because I don't use AS stronger that I've had is one that Derek made once and all Like oh, I would believe that, but aside from that. Derek's Wizard. Yes, I'm a sorcerer. Yeah, he can. Aside from that, this I think is the next strongest stuff that I've had. Yeah, I I really, I've enjoyed the experience on it. I didn't enjoy the first part, but again, it goes nugging ahead.
It's medicine not and a treat. They have capsules, so you can just take the capsule. I think microdosing is definitely the best way to get into cannabis or yeah, you know, so it's if you do it properly. And that's what I was going to do. Mine went off on a random tangent. So back to my grandma getting into cannabis. I gave her the capsules from this CBD company and then I gave her discreet jail tablets because if I can help her with only a micro dose, I don't have
to make her macro doses. Yeah. So I'm hoping that those will help and that I don't have to, you know? Well, that's a great thing too, because say your system, maybe you've been an individual that's just like these swore off cannabis because some event happened, or, you know, somebody was telling them that they were getting too paranoid or they're being too weird, or you had bad experience. Yeah, you had a really bad experience. Like my brother terrified of
edibles. I can't even bring him up. Has he tried to discreet tablet? Oh, there's no way he won't touch it. He is terrified even though it's like 2 milligrams and then most of it's can like other cannabis. Oh, I'm going to get him to try it. The thing for him though, it's that overdosing. Yeah, on. And that's again, that's what you need to be thinking about. If you wouldn't eat, you said it before, you would need a whole bottle full of Tylenol with you.
It's just like any other medication. Yep, you don't take a whole bottle of Tylenol. You know exactly what dose works for you. Some people are like, I need half a tablet. They have the recommended dose on the back, right? Average like person takes 2 tablets and you're like, OK, cool, right? That's what Advil or whatever says, And so they say. 11 Tablet but one dose to any of that stuff in forever. Well, I still, I I I don't frequent it as much but I understand that CBD.
I would take that CBD every day I have. Without a doubt, I would take that every day. And the reason why is because of the dose is the correct dose. And that's exactly when you talk about cannabis and microdosing. You need to gradually go into it. You can't just go in except for with CBD. Yeah, I feel like if you micro dose a CBD, no, no, you are actually just probably wasting your money.
Well and I'm I wasn't and insinuating that you should micro dose it that but there's a yeah correct dose. Yeah. Yeah, you know there is a bare minimum dose that you can start out with, but CBD would be like, dude, don't consume too much lettuce, OK? Because it could be bad for you. So I read, I didn't read and go research anymore to see what bases are backing. There was behind it, but there was something that said that up to like 1500 milligrams a day of CBD is fine.
Well, again, I'm pretty sure I've done more than that in a day. So yeah, but. I could see if it's psychoactive, you know, I mean, if you went through a whole because it's pretty easy to go through a CBD teacher compared to a THC teacher.
Well, you think about it, even if you're 3% or you know, they have something because there's a lot that they're like, hey, this is this many milligrams and you're like, OK, even if you had 1500 milligrams of CBT in a day, maybe that person might still feel high because even if it's full spectrum, what is the total cannabinoid of THC or every other one in there? Yeah, you know. Well, and I I agree. I agree. And that's why. That's why I've really enjoyed the.
Just being able to experience discreet and give it to others and knowing that it's legal, it's yeah, something you can buy in line. Cool, because they should literally all 50 states. Yep. So it's fantastic. And it's they they've gone through recent price changes, which is way cool. They've gone through a complete brand change of what their focus is and they're hitting the right mark.
True, because before so little Quickside tangent, we liked Discretes products and then they were one of these companies that in Utah liked to be an MLM and we're not into that. No. And they decided that, you know, hey, they weren't into that. So we decided to have a conversation because we like their products, but we just don't like Mlm's. We we've been sitting on this product for probably half a year. If not longer, yeah, actually longer.
Definitely longer. Yeah. It's about a year we've been sitting on this product because of that reason alone and we had worked with a previous company that was doing the same thing. We don't like it. We just didn't. We couldn't do it anymore because of that reason alone. We just didn't see that that makes more sense to you guys because I like these micro doses. Yeah, they also have. This is not microdosing, but they have these. I've been trying them out these sleep tablets.
Oh yeah, you took two last night. Yeah, I don't know. I don't never sleep good, so I'm not really sure. It has a lot of melatonin and ltheanine, so I woke up feeling tired this morning. A little groggy, yeah. And that's the time that you take it out, but that's nice. And they also have. A relaxed 1, which is even a micro dose of the micro dose, it's like no, no, relax. Is is it more? It is. So I think the chill tablets are about 2.5. I went and grabbed them real
fast. The sleep one has 5 milligrams of CBN and 25 milligrams of CBD and then it's also got 90 milligrams of discrete sleep bend, which is elphinin and melatonin. So, but the Chill tablets are just 2.5 milligrams of THC and 15 milligrams of like, full spectrum hemp stuff. Oh wow. But the relief is 100 total cannabinoids. Oh wow. So it's a higher dose than that, but it's I think is more for pain relief and stuff. Yeah, that's exactly what it's designed for.
And that's what's cool about the chill ones, too. They they're actually pretty tasty. All of them are actually really tasty. They're not bad. Yeah, they're like Smarties kind of. Yeah. I take usually one of these every day. I take one of these every night, but I gave the relief ones to my grandma to try out as well with her head because of.
Yeah, that's a good idea. I was like I could use these, but I have a million other products that I will use and I want to see what's going to help you so. You know, when we're talking about micro dosing with THC, you have to understand that THC is a mild hallucinogen. In many ways it, it, THC can have hallucinogenic products that are, yeah, properties of it. Sorry products properties in that. And and those properties in taking in large doses can trigger a psychedelic experience.
I've told you about a few times where I've smoked a certain type of strain. Where it put me in a psychedelic experience was very crazy, very vivid. But what do you think about it? Any distortion of length, time, anything like that is a mild Who is in the genic? How many times have you listened to a song while you were a little high or really high? That song felt like it was an hour. Yeah, Or the music itself
changed your body temperature. You ever had that where you feel like warm or you'll feel kind of cold? Like, it's it's cool. Like where I was hiking when I was first smoking and I felt like my legs were like this tall and my arms were like crazy long and it felt like they were dragging on their own. But they weren't. I'm like, man. And that's usually when you first get into it. If you don't understand proper microdosing, well, there was no micro about it. It was just all. Yeah, Go crazy.
Well, because it was the same guy who was here when you had your first experience. Yeah. And it was smoke this, smoke this. Smoke this. Smoke this. Take this. All right. Here. So I was like, all right. Just to My first experience with 100 milligrams was, you know, hey, here's this 115 milligram brownie. Oh, shit. Normally we do like, 20. All right, sure. Yeah, let's take that. And that was, at the time, the highest I had ever been. I actually had to lay down on the couch.
I just put on music and I had to, like, breathe because I got hot. I was like sweating and probably like 15 minutes and I just had to breathe because it was too much and I'm like and then it was fine after that, but it was that was insane. It was the highest I had ever
been at the moment. And that's what's cool about, like those discrete tablets is that you could take a bunch of them, but it's just increasing the amount of CBD that you're taking with it. And so yeah, you will get a little bit more of euphoria from it, but it's not to the point where it's unbearable now. It could be. Depending on how. I mean, if you sat there and ate them like smarties, oh I'm they there's sixty in a jar. So if you hate the whole thing, I'm sure you could feel
something. Oh, you definitely feel it. And but that's the thing, it's it's being able to have those right amount of doses. But when we talk about the psychedelic experience, even though cannabis is a mild holucinogen, and it can, it could trigger an event. But. I've experienced with hallucinogens. I know you have. I go back to my Navy days where I did LSD multiple times and because I didn't know or was introduced to it in a proper way. Yeah, and your dozing was
insane. Yeah, I had 4-4 tabs, basically your first time. Yep, very first time and I wasn't told what it was. They gave it to me on a sugar cube, couple sugar cubes and said put this in your mouth, don't chew it. I remember very vividly. Oh yeah, you would. And then I went upstairs. I was talking to this girl that I was really interested in. She was much taller than me. I'm 5/8. She was 6 feet tall before the LSD or?
No, no, it was way before. And then it was when I was sitting down and I looked down at the carpet and the carpet started to move. Not because it was moving. It was because of perception. Yeah. It was totally altered reality at that moment. And I, I gotta tell you, did that. Wasn't a great entrance into what is, you know, medicine for the brain. And when doing an hallucinogen like that one, it was done with the intent of let's just
experience something crazy. But where you can look at micro dosing with THC, you can do the same thing with psilocybin, which I think that is and I and I feel. That is by far the best way to be able to use psychedelics, even though LSD does have its properties and it does very well
in areas. But for myself, I've microdosed psilocybin for a while and recently I did a three day on and then I'm going three days off and then going to do another three days on just to experiment how I feel and. Why doing a microdose then? In talking about a microdose, I say that we're talking like 1/10 of a gram here that we were taking give or take, sometimes the 14th. Roughly, it's about 1/10. But it's about a 10th, and you know, once 20 minutes goes by, there's no coming back.
And for most people, they freak out about a psychedelic right? If I ate 4 grams of psilocybin, which is a decent amount, it's a good trip. And if I took that? 20 minutes later, if I haven't yacked it up, I'm I'm going for an entire ride. Oh, I mean, even if you do yack it up, you're still going for an entire ride. You totally are. You're going to go for a crazy ride, but that's a lot, right? So it's like, same with THC.
So it's the intent. So it is there is value if you guys, one of our audience members message in was like hey you should talk about psilocybin as well if you guys want and like it is good in higher doses. There is certain value.
Yes, like John Hopkins University has done lots of studies on it. There's playlists, there's medical things that are being done that you can use, psilocybin with specific doses and all of this stuff to help heal from PTSD or depression or all of these things, sometimes for their life. Yeah, totally. And, you know, being. And the reason why I got into you introduced me to it. And when I started it was more of the sensation that I got at first was vivid colors.
That's it. Just everything's brighter. I had a lot of energy. Lots of energy. You have like youthful energy is what I that's what it was. Is with microdosing is colors are brighter, you feel more connected. I, at least I I feel more connected to people, to earth, to plants, to and. I don't know if you get this, but it also makes me just a little bit Randy, if we're going to be completely honest. Yeah, I could see that, Yeah. Because it is. It's one of those properties I'm just like.
But at the same time, I think it's also misses. It could be, but it's if you have so much stress. Like, lately I feel like life has been too much and I feel like I've been in a funk and you've noticed that, like, I I haven't done anywhere near the stuff that I normally would do. And I Because it's hard. Life's hard, dude. Yeah. And then I feel like I took probably two or three micros in the last week and and I have
been more present. I have gotten so much stuff done and I don't have the same like, depression and anxiety that's hanging over me. But I have this like weirdness of I don't know what to do with all of my time. Yeah, yeah, no, I get that. I've I've had those things in Funks where it's and that's what I really like about why I I would encourage, I don't know if I should say, yeah, I don't care. I I would encourage those to be able to explore that. A route.
I've talked to so many different individuals who are extremely religious to those who are very anti religion, but they have this similar experience on on micro dosing with psilocybin because then they're kind of able to let go of all that bullshit. You can let go of your ego. Yeah, you do. You let go of it, you. You accept responsibility for certain things and again, it goes with the intent. Though intent isn't necessarily.
I want to be able to be more clear headed, like just going to the intent going this is going to help me and I'm going to let it do what it needs to do, yeah. And it really gives me this like like I So this is kind of funny with intent when I went camping second day until camping. I'm not really jazzed to be camping at this point because it keeps fucking raining. But yeah, it did rain a. Lot. Oh my gosh. Crazy amount of rain. And I took it, but I took it with the intent of, I don't want
to feel upset. And it was very strange because I felt very uncomfortable and very like almost disoriented. It was very strange. Yeah. Because I normally don't feel that. Yeah. And I felt disoriented. And I'm just like, it always goes with the intent with it. It's an experience that is not. Psychedelic in any way. I don't feel psychedelic. I feel more grounded. I feel like it's what the promise of an antidepressant supposed to be. Yes, exactly. And I feel so. Short term, I haven't used
antidepressants in years. I I did for a little while, yeah. You've been a lot better with them than you did before. Yeah, it was really depending on huge, like a huge step. Yeah, so I'm I'm way more. Present not 100% because of how I am. Is anyone? No, not in this day and age. But I will say that when, you know, recently been going through a lot of anxiety, lot of waking up with anxiety, you know, you you've had the same things, right?
And it became to the point where my blood pressure was going higher. And when talking to Doc, he's just like, yeah, you know, we can try you on Wellbutrin. For an anti anxiety medication. And part of me really wanted that relief that those medications would do for me in the past. But they're not intended for longterm use. Yeah, but there are people been on them for years, Decades. People are prescribed like they are. Right.
So, and it's so open, but when you think about psilocybin like honestly it it how long does it take? Like if you take Celexa, right? I've been on select and 20 milligrams, which is not a large dose, but it was. I'm very sensitive to medications and I'm like okay. I'm taking this one dude. It took two weeks till I started to feel something from it holy. Shit. And most of it. And they they're like, yeah, it takes a while to get into your system.
It's not going to be like take it and it's gone. And it got to the point where it affected me in so many different ways of my life. Where physically, emotionally, like you just. I didn't feel. I didn't pick up on things. Yeah, we just focused on work. Well, because you're not as present and you miss all of that. It's tough. Yeah, it's the struggle. So I when I went down to talk to my grandma and give her those things for her head, one of my
cousins was in town. I haven't seen him in ages. He's been married probably 14 years. Something like that. They were going to say 14 times. No, just to like just once. Damn, son. But I don't think I've ever talked to his wife this entire time. And she was there and they live
in Jersey now. And she was talking about how different it is because she was like, yeah, a lot of people here in Utah are LDS or Mormon as a lot of people outside of Utah know it. And she, she was talking about how so many of her friends have left the church, have left that religion because they were so used to being prescribed all of these medications and all of this stuff for depression and anxiety and all of that. And they said, you know what?
I realized? I needed an edible or a glass of wine. I haven't used any of these medications. I don't have any of these problems now. That was all I needed. Oh yeah, I mean, it plagues most people who who have some type of faith. They there are certain things that are taboo to them because of belief structures or whatever, but it's exactly that because and that's and I'm not trying to shit on doctors here because there's doctors that
listen to this and there's there is value in medicine. 100% but when it comes to psychotropic medications, Ssri's. And I have, I've I've a long history with mental health, not necessarily just myself, but by being working within the mental health community for a long time. When you're introducing these medications that are, that are intended for shortterm use, but they don't use them shortterm use because they find that the body becomes more addicted to
them. I was addicted to Celexa, I was addicted. And the reason why I know that is when I tried to get off of it, my body was. A wreck. I was so fucked up. My body hurt, my joints hurt. I was disoriented and all I wanted to do was go away. And I called my doctor's office and said I need this prescription filled right away.
And because my body was going through that withdrawal and just wanting it, it was hurting me. Like, I almost like imagine, like Venom in, you know, like the Spiderman universe like. It's over people, right? I mean, like that guy, That's what it felt like. It was trying to kick my ass saying give us what we want. Because it introduced all these things and I just, it was so hard on my body, I had to take
it again. And it wasn't until using cannabis that it got me to the point where I could not feel those effects. By using a good dose of THC, every day got me past it and you could wean yourself off. Right. And then when I went back on anti anxiety medications again due to life and I'm just a wreck, I was able to get off that much easier because I knew
what to be, how to dose myself. I was still using cannabis, which I thought was more of a like a prophylactic for the medication was taken so that that should tell you something, right? But when you talk about like
psilocybin. The one thing that I really enjoy about having a microdose is that one after you get over this weird fear the first time you're doing any type of, you know, plant based medicine, psychedelic is that this isn't going to kill you, it's not going to kill you, and it's such a low dose, you know, it was interesting.
So what actually got me to consider LSD or psilocybin in the first place is I was using cannabis because my buddy had gone, oh, there's a medical patent that the government holds for that. So I went and researched and was like, oh shit, yeah, they do, Okay. So then I started using it and I started doing more research, and there's a document that's put out by the United States government, and it talks about harmfulness, the dangerousness of drugs. And it puts cannabis in this
list and it's about here. And then LSD and psilocybin are way down here. Yeah. And I'm going, so this plant that has never killed anyone, that there is no dose that we know of that will kill anyone that we have in a cannabinoid system for you're saying is way up here on the like harmful, dangerous scale. And yet these ones that are psychedelic, hallucinogenic, like, way different than that, are down here, down here in as
far as how dangerous they are. If you think about it, dude, like, and it's just conspiracy theory about that one. But if you're trying to take away any type of distraction, what do you do? Will you villainize something else, right. Because I'm sure cocaine and heroin, during those times of the early drug days, it was always. There was a huge war on THC, on any kind of marijuana. Yeah, well, it's all against the. But you think about it, always
back to the stupid races. It not only just that, but I mean you think back through history like you know Napoleon when they were going through Africa and there was parts of Africa where they would smoke cannabis over there the his troops were forbidden to be able to smoke it because they became more complacent. And more, they were less fight. Yeah, they were less aggressive. Yep. And he he banned them from it. He's like, no, you can't do that because they were probably going, what the?
I don't know that understand why we are fucking fighting these people, right? I mean, he was well, and if you can criminalize other people and make him look terrible because of a plant. And if you're trying to distract them from something else, yeah, whatever. You, like, make people afraid of them too. Yeah, and it becomes this weird thing of like it's dumb.
It is really dumb and that's why I like when we take that like lethality rate over there and if you think cannabis is above that, then that's where that safety needs to kind of feel and lie. Now I'm not suggesting that everybody goes and try a micro dose. What I am suggesting is that you put in your research and your time to be able to understand what the properties of it or listen to other people's experiences. Do your own research. Yeah, absolutely.
And the really great part though for me personally is one I know when I need to be able to take a micro dose because I am hyper focusing on things that I cannot change, I feel stuck. Yeah, you feel stuck because when you get into that, like, I hang on to a ton of energy, Yeah. And I can't let it go. That's what I know. So, so you guys may or might not know they're listening to this show. I've been divorced for a long time and sometimes that can be fun and you go through court
times. And this last year has been a big mess of going through that stuff. And I felt like there was this, this hatred that I had grown for someone that I never had. Yeah. And I don't like hating because I don't feel like I you. Don't want to waste that in. I don't hold space for that. Yeah, I don't hold space for hatred. And so it was just, I I hated hating. Like, yeah, that's it. I hated hating.
And I felt like I needed to get rid of that energy and I needed to let it move on. And I took a micro dose. Yeah, I didn't need a macro dose. I didn't need anything more. I needed that plant medicine to come in, to let my mind think through these things, feel what I needed to release what I needed to, and let go of it. Yeah, because it's like we hang on to everything. Like how many of us are just broken, messed up, fucked up little kids. Ohh, we're totally fucked up.
That's all we are. Just a bunch of old little fucked up kids who got picked on or you know, their parents didn't do whatever, we, I don't know, we're all messed up in our own ways, so. I I agree.
And that's the part that I, when I think about using a microdose on that side for THC or for psilocybin, it's it's just a nice way to be able to kind of feel a little bit more grounded with yourself and get that promise that it's said on the side of the bottle for whatever antidepressant you're taking because. And I'm not saying you should jump off stuff and start using this.
Like you need to work with your doctor if you want to be able to get off that stuff because you are physically dependent upon it. And I'm not here to grand ban or grandstand for, you know, get off these medications. These medications are very helpful. They have saved, they can be, they can be, they have saved. The life can be harmful and but if you've been on it, you probably know that. Yeah, and I mean it. It's saved the life of somebody very, very, very close to me.
It would have been beyond. I'm incredibly single for that. Right. And then those medications have helped them and they have continued to help them. And it takes time. But you know, when I think of psilocybin, I think of all the great properties of it, that's one of the areas that I look at. I'm like for me when I'm going through those hard times, like I have a bottle of Wellbutrin at my house. I filled the prescription and I haven't taken one. Because I'm like, you know what?
I know that a micro dose can help me with this right now. And I don't have to take it every day. I don't even have to take it all the time. I could do a few micro doses a month and that would be great, but that would be pretty. That's a lot. I know people were doing like crazy amounts like, oh, I've been, I take it every day like I might have been on slopes. Has a whole schedule for it. Like there's, yeah, I followed a micro dose in the schedule for a while.
And it's. You know, it's getting more notice of recognition, which I wish cannabis would one day, but we all know how that's going. But it it's totally fine because we're getting more and more acceptable towards psychedelics, right? Like catamine treatments and all the thing. But you know, before you jump into hey, let's somebody shoot up a synthetic into my body. And, you know, hopefully this helps me deal with whatever shit I got going to my past psilocybin.
Helps you to be focused on the present and helps you to let go of a lot of the things that you've been pent up about. And like you said, it just kind of lets your ego like it gives your ego a break on, bro. That's why I'm not, Yeah. Incredible trips of and everyone's different. Right. Do you I think if you. I think there's great value in psilocybin and if you if you feel like you have a a decent level on your mental stability where you're at micro doses and stuff on your own is great.
But if you feel like you really have you know some issues or things that you're struggling with maybe find a professional. There are places that do that around that do psilocybin trials and do psilocybin clinics and that and you can use that to actually heal from these problems and these issues because like. Just a lot of us holding on to shit and just not letting go of it. It is. I have let go of a lot of shit through my trips because it's like, damn, I was.
I was an angry person, like I hung on to so much stuff and it didn't serve anyone so. Well, in the worst part, it doesn't serve you. And and that's what you have to be able to focus on. That's why you. That's why we consume plant medicine. That's why we enjoy cannabis. We enjoy cannabis on the on the both the medicinal and the recreational side. And the great reason why we do that is because, well, we're in control. We know exactly what's going on.
I I just, I don't imbibe alcohol by any means just because it doesn't do well with my body. I do miss the buzz sometimes every once in a blue moon, but I miss more than anything is a really nice cold beer right in the middle of a hot day. I don't drink often, but I had one of those the other day and it was nice. It's nice, right? It's nice and sad one for you, will say. Dude, well, I mean, but I I would even do non alcoholic beer just because of the taste. I enjoy the taste and there's a
lot of new ones out there now. I should look into that because I like the flavor, but yeah. I I like the flavor because it's just good. I just like the flavor. But, you know, it's and and for me being, you know, a part of the LDS Church. I'm open about this. I'm very open about it. I'm open about my cannabis use. I mean, shit, if they didn't know, they know now, but that would be ridiculous. Many people we reach, but on the other side is, is that I'm open about it.
Because I want that conversation to be started with those who are in a faithbased church that has had a very long reputation of saying that everything that a doctor doesn't prescribe you is evil. It's bad for you. It's going to hurt you. It's not going to help you, which is interesting because it's literally just a plant that grows in the ground. Which I mean, the LDS church does know that bone because they own lots of ground where cannabis has grown. So and even helped fund one of
these. Exactly. Grows and and that's the thing, it's they know that the properties are there. So if you think about it with the LDS Church and a lot of the the. Perception of LDS people outside of that, because I'm a different kind, but you're going to notice that there's a lot more like me more than you think. But I think if you're outside of Utah, you'll feel you'll meet more of the real people.
Yeah, and what? But even here they're starting to more waken up. And that's that's why I'm open about what I do. And when I talk about psilocybin with somebody, I'm like, look, this is just my experience, but what you need to do is you need to research it and figure out because I've met people. Very well.
To do astute people within the business world that are very quiet about their psilocybin use and they're growing it and they are medicating themselves and they have gotten past the craziest trials that happened to them and youth that still affecting today. And he's terrified to be able to talk to his wife about it. He's terrified to talk to his kids about it because he's feeling this.
And and I I want those individuals who are listening to this, who may be of of the faith that I follow or of any other faith think about that when this plant is just a plant and there's properties to it that actually can work within your body. I I don't know of everything, any prescription drug out there. There are ones that are there to help you, but there's also ones that they have no idea what they do and they just had an effect and they were going, we can sell
that. Yeah, we can sell an effect. Yeah, we can do that. And it it doesn't take it away. But psilocybin has definitely been able to help with anxiety. It helps with those really deep, dark times in your life where you feel like you're a piece of shit and you're not contributing anything to anybody. That's a good time to go on a micro dose. Or even maybe a real trip at
that moment, yeah. But but it those are all depends on you And then and that's the thing like you know, both THC and psilocybin can be scary to people who are not very accustomed to it. I think that the youth that are coming up appreciate it more. You know, my son's asked me like, hey dad, when can we do it together.
I'm like when you're old enough to be able to consume it because, one, it's not necessarily just the law over there, but I'm trying to be able to because his intent is not to do what we use it for and what our listeners use it. For my oldest wants to when she's older, when there's need to or something, Yeah, when she's older. But she knows, like until I see that there's like science or something, I'm like her. I I need a little bit more clarification. I don't.
I don't see science one way or the other, really. And it's, there's a lot of talk on both sides, but there's not a lot of actual supported data, right. It's very anecdotal. That's what I'm looking for is I'm like I don't see anything out there yet and you don't haven't like direct need for this. Yes, you could value or benefit from certain cannabinoids, but is DHC necessary or one of them at this moment?
No. And that's, that's the hard part, because it's like you want those good attributes that we enjoy, you know, on the regular. But she made me like, on Father's Day this a bunch of, like, Stoner memes and things. And then at the bottom it was signed like. Hopefully your future smoking buddy. And I was like, Oh my God, I would love to smoke with you when you're older, like, well, it's the same thing.
I told my son I was like, you know, when, you know, I'll be the first guy to, to be able to roll that first joint with you. Yeah, you know, and you know, will he possibly experiment? I I think that's a high likeability. I'm not for that. My concern maybe this is a whole nother discussion for another episode. It is. But yeah, it just going back, you know when we talk about micro dosing over there, do it responsibly, you know if if you're new to it. Low and slow. Low and slow.
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