I'm Brandon. And I'm. Jesse we're cannabis school having cannabis infused conversations with everyday people, cannabis companies, celebrities and your mom. Welcome to the sesh. Welcome back everybody. Hey, you guys. Welcoming back Narath over from Dragonfly Wellness, one of our great. Buddies bless you. They're also like the makers of 2024, Brandon's pick was Super Boof and Dragonfly Wellness was the grower of that. They've also been this year's like 2025.
They've got this live rosin super boof concentrate that's just been chef's kiss. So what's the story behind how you guys grow your biomass, how you grow super Boof, and how do you maintain your consistency of excellence? Yeah, thank you so much for, you know, those kind words, man. And I Echolo sentiments. Super Booth has absolutely been one of my favorite products in general. And I'm typically, you know, a flower person.
I love flower. But this Super Booth, just the the terpene profile on this, the taste, the nose, everything about it, there's just been such an awesome experience, right? And yeah, I can't help but just smile when I talk about it and when other people talk about and when, you know, other Wellness associates and bud attenders throughout the state are talking about it in the same way and saying, wow, this is some of the best, you know, live rosin that I've had in the state.
That means a lot, right? That means a lot to, you know, the the hard working team that's behind every single dragonfly, you know, flour jar that you see out there. They put a lot of TLC into it. And anybody who's, you know, in cannabis and believes in quality understands that there's no cutting corners when it comes to quality, right? You got to put in that heart and that real passion and that care for those plants. And that's what our team of
cultivation does. And it's really cool to have a really experienced team that's been in the industry for a long time, you know, back in California even before, you know, right before would turn medical.
So to be able to go through all those different challenges, you'll learn a lot of things through the process and ultimately you learn what really produces really high quality cannabis right and understanding what are the things that actually lead to having really great efficacy in your cannabis, because not every strain is created equal, right and not
every grower is created equal. You guys get an opportunity to try a lot of different products all over the, you know, the United States and you know, and I, I believe it when you guys aren't, you know, blowing smoke, you know, up my pipe that, you know, we, we've produced some of the best quality product that you guys been able to try across the nation. So that's really, really flattering. So. What do you think it is about your process that elevates that final product?
Yeah, When that comes to that TLC, at the end of the day, every single one of us on on the Dragonfly team really thinks about what if somebody that I know and love was to use this product? How would I want to be able to grow it, to cultivate it, to manufacture it, to produce other products, ultimately to the point where that patient gets that product in the jar and sees it at home, Right.
So when you think about it that way is like, you would never want to give something that is a poor quality or bad. And then you know me, you have noticed that I do come from, you know, Eastern Asian culture. What something that. Yeah, Yeah. Holy. Shit, I know. Right. I know Brandon fine. I see it now. This Mormon kid from West Valley City, UT, right? But yeah, I mean, it's really, really awesome to be have people who care about it and treat it that way.
So that means, you know, we want to put the cleanest naturalist, most safe medicine into our bodies as possible. And that means we wouldn't want to put things into the things that we grow that we wouldn't want to put into our bodies, right? And we're really fortunate to be here in a medical state that is highly regulated but very
thorough testing. So that one way you do buy product from the regulated pharmacies in Utah, you know that they're going to be solvent free, they're going to be free of pesticides, they're going to be free of heavy metals, they're going to be free of microbials. These are some of the.
Safest products, we still have companies that are radiating their flour and and selling their flour is radiated, which is supposed to be like the the healthiest flour in the state, which seems weird because again, like we've said, if you grow a quality product from the start, you don't have to do things like radiate your flour. Yeah, that's a, that's a great point. You know, and this is, you know, unfortunately it is a best practice that does come from
other industries, right? So, you know, whether it's a pharmaceutical drug industry or whether it's, you know, our food industry, right, the FDA uses these types of machines to radiate the food that we eat at the drugs that we use, right, in order to make sure that they have the safest product possible. But we're also talking about, you know, manufactured products, right, Things that are created
in a lab. We're talking about food that has grown out, you know, in different areas where you might not know what your neighbor is putting onto your products and spraying on over and, and vice versa. So yeah, sometimes you have to make sure that you create a clean product. And, and, and that's a big reason why a lot of people, you know, in a lot of the adult use, it's a big trend over there. It really helps to reduce, you
know, the possibility of mold. And then anytime you have a living Organism, there's always a chance for mold. But I mean, you hit the nail on the head, Brandon. I mean, the best way to not have to use that type of equipment and technology on product is make sure you put in the quality control processes to try to mitigate those things.
You're never going to be 100% because even we still have issues where we have to take a batch and say, hey, look, we're concerned that by the time this gets to a patient, this might propagate to, you know, the acceptable parts per million that the Department of Agriculture allows, right? So, but but yeah, I think that's what what makes a difference as well too, as we make sure we spend the extra time, money, energy and resources to make sure we control our
environments, right? All of our grow rooms are an individual grow rooms that allows you to control each room and the plants that are growing in each of those rooms. Some people choose to grow in big greenhouses, which is great because it saves on energy, right? Because you're using the sun. But then you got a big greenhouse. And if you've ever been a greenhouse, they're super humid, really difficult to control that
humidity, right? So every different type of operational decision you make creates a different challenge or opportunity as a grower. So dialing all those things, making sure you're good, using good sustainable materials, good
healthy nutrients, right? And we would never say that we grow organically because technically we do use fertilizers and that wouldn't be organic, but we use organic practices throughout in our entire facility, you know, integrated pest management, ladybugs, our best friends.
We don't need to spray plants with other chemicals or herbicides to get rid of bugs and pests because, you know, those are ladybugs are natural predators of aphids and other types of pests that help impact the potency and quality of the flower that you grow. And we basically get delivered anywhere from 3 to 5000 ladybugs every single month. It's amazing that there's just farms that just pump out these amount of ladybugs. Yeah, it's really, really cool
to see, right? Well, you know, one thing, I mean, I hear all this and I'm, I'm, I'm literally thinking to myself and, and, and don't take this in a way where you're just like, well, I mean, I want you to wait for just a second, but I'm saying I've heard all this, I've read all this same thing everywhere. But that's not what stands out to me about what Dragonfly stands for.
Is that everything that you actually do Nara, everything that stands for from every bud tender, you guys work with every spokesperson for the company. You guys care so much about the community. You don't just say it, you do it where there's a lot of larger companies that come into the state that are, you know, they're all over the US great companies. They provide cheaper products, yes, great, but they don't have the quality and it truly speaks
on the brand itself as well. Your brand really does stand for home grown roots. I mean, you talked about that where you know, there's a family in the restaurant business that they'd rather they'd rather put more money into the restaurants because that actually fucking makes money. So it's like, why would you do that? Right? It's like the reason why is because they all of these people on the outside thinking that, yeah, cannabis companies are just making a shit ton of money
off my back. No, they're not, right? They are still struggling to be able to do that because we need more brands that actually care to stay around. It feels like it's musical chair with them where at one point we're talking about high quality and then later on they expand and then all of a sudden it's radiated this random additive there cutting practices here, whatever, trying to sell lower quality product as higher quality.
And at Dragonfly, that's where Brandon and I, we always talk about it, where the products that you guys create, it's just like. I've also seen synthesized cannabinoids added into ACOA of flour in Utah and I was like why? Why in God's name would you put that in your products? Why? Why would you add that into it? We're supposed to be a medical, highly regulated state. Why is this even permitted to be
sold to patients like this? Seems like we're putting maneuver on a platter and going, hey, it's not as shitty as it could be. Yeah, I, I mean, what really makes me think of when I kind of compare analogies to maybe other industries of like, man, there's always different ways to be able to get your end product and you get to kind of choose those ways. And I I also kind of think about, you know, the new technology of like lab grown meat. It sounds kind of weird, right
It? Does. But it also brings up really interesting topics and conversations of what new technology can create. And we really don't know at the end of the day. But man, to be able to think about, OK, you could actually grow, you know, your own pork in a lab. So then if you grow it in a lab, then technically, you know, is that kosher? If you eat it right, like you,
you're not killing an animal. So it and then when you think about cannabis and all these kind of new cannabinoids, like we are just barely touching the tip of the iceberg, right? We barely understand that the number of cannabinoids that exist in the cannabis plant, there are literally hundreds of different cannabinoids and we just barely know a handful.
So you do have to give some credit to people that are willing to look outside of the envelope in the interest of real science, in the interest of, you know, making good products for patients. Because there's always in the people who are going to do it for the interest of making money, right? And that's always the tough part is the people who are doing it the wrong way. They tend to be the loudest. They tend to be the ones that do
the most harm. When the people who really want to try to understand the plant and create real good things, their intentions are usually pure. And then somebody finds a way to kind of exploit the loophole or find ways to make their products more potent or more appealing. Because again, maybe there's always challenges in the grow process. And not saying that people just cut corners, but there's sometimes where the uncontrollable elements back to where you choose to grow.
If you choose to grow outdoor in a field, well, you're susceptible to all the elements of nature, a windstorm, A rainstorm, right pests, you know, grasshoppers, locust and just literally eats your harvest. So how do you protect against that? Because the investment that is put into these, it's, that's a lot of money. Because people want to recoup back something and they're like, well, shoot, we just can't write off all of that, so how do we recoup some of our stuff?
What's the safest, best way that I might be able to still make this product salvageable that I still believe might be safe? I don't have evidence that it's not safe. So unfortunately, people have to make these decisions all the time. And it really goes back to exactly what you guys talked about. And what Jesse was saying is like, you know, when you, you know, part of a team with people who really care, the decisions are easy. You just do the right thing.
You know, you do what's going to be best for the patient. And that's one of our core values that Dragonfly is patient first number one. Yeah, and the, you know, to think about just on a on the longevity side, you know, the consumers, yeah, they're they want cheaper products always. I mean, everybody wants cheaper products, right.
But even when the cost to be able to go to McDonald's isn't what it used to be anymore, I haven't seen a there's not been changes over there as far as the medicinal cannabis that we're able to consume here in this state and trying different brands. I'm not going to I'm not going to shit on them right now. But they, you know, the episode go to it. But it is the you can tell the amount of quality and care that goes into it. Yeah, I mean, that bud Brandon knocked my Dick in the dirt.
That thing was awesome. But the flavor, I know that it just it was just not grown in the right way. It wasn't kept. They just took corners on on simple things, like we talked about glass instead of plastic. Yeah, it's a little extra cost, but there's a reason why. There is a complete reason why. So when when we start looking at the the brands now this is what I'm, I'm thinking to ask you because you have a really interesting background.
Like you didn't go like, oh, this is where I'm going to try and make it like you'd already done that. You came from the automotive industry, you came from big tech like you understand that there's a lot of growth models and for you to take a big not a bet, but there was a big part of your life personally where you saw with your brother where it could have been like addicted to pain pills or try this out changes your life, changes his life. The opportunity comes up.
I mean, why keep pushing it? I mean, you keep talking about it feverly. It's almost like they got a choke chain on you every time you get excited, which is awesome because it means what you just said.
Patient first. Yeah, man, it's incredible because, you know, I, I think some of the best ideas and best innovations and, and best concepts in the world typically come out of some challenge, problem, struggle, trauma that just motivates you so much to be like, I don't want anybody to ever to have to feel what I felt. And if there's a solution that's in front of you, let's go figure
out how we do this, right? And and that's exactly what kind of drove, you know, me at a personal level, but then also everybody in my team, right? We're very like minded people where we just want to do good and take care of the community has done so much to take care of our family and give us an opportunity to even be here today, right? Those are things that, you know, really humble us and keep us always making sure we're looking over shoulder and never resting
on our laurels, right? And just never saying this is good enough. We believe in Kaizen principles and always continual improvement.
You can always be better, you know, and, and we have to do that not just for our own mission and core values, but for the reason that we serve our patients and why patients support us and love our products is because they all see the constant innovation, whether it's the quality of products or the quality of devices, which is something that's really unique for a vertically integrated operator to go and design and create your own hardware that works specifically for your
products. Not a lot of people do that because they're just busy just growing. Cannabis and just limits have the limits of like Utah's medical market. Have they ever forced you to like, innovate in unexpected ways? That's a good question. Yeah. You know that that's an interesting question because, you know, when you think about what are the limits here in Utah, you know, there are obviously legal buying limits. You can buy 4 ounces of flour or 20 grams of concentrate.
So you can kind of, you know, mix and match those in terms of the limits that you can purchase. So it does make you think a little bit about, OK, well, if 4 ounces of flour is what you're able to buy in a given month, how many people really consume that much? And the short answer is people who are using it medically are
utilizing a lot. And what they're doing is they're buying a lot of cannabis and bulk and actually creating their own products because those products are not available for purchase in the state of Utah because they're not acceptable dosage form. So let's say I'm somebody. No one makes my dose in the state does not exist. Or even the type of delivery form, whether it's a, a chocolate or it's butter or maybe a brownie.
Because you know, you, let's say you have cancer and you have a hard time eating like it's, you have to be able to create different types of products that allow you to absorb that cannabis in your system. And high fat types of foods are really great at allowing all of those things to bind together. But now if you're somebody who's like, OK, you're limit to buy in Utah's 4 oz and you use 8 oz, you're like, OK, one when I buy 4 oz here and then another 4 oz somewhere else.
And what's the cost of four oz here when you know, there are challenges and limits from from that perspective. And there is, you know, I wouldn't say just specifically here in the state of Utah, but I'd say in the United States in general, there is a very concerted effort to really
tackle like THC potency limits. And this interesting narrative of like the the cannabis, you know, the THC percentage in cannabis today is so much higher, averaging 25% when back in the day it was only 5%. But it all comes back to dosage again. As well. Right on that one. I had created a post on TikTok on socials about that 2 days ago.
Three days ago and it's, I did it years ago and it was my most controversial post because there's so many people from back in the 60s and 70s who go, Oh well, I've smoked all this and that's bullshit or this or that. And I actually had a constructive educational conversation where I learned something new. There is out in Laos, Thailand, like Thai sticks. They actually have testing done from back in the 60s and 70s where Thai sticks were testing between like 15% up to 15% even back then.
And that was after they had had months of being shipped and transported. So some degradation because it wasn't the best storage. And no, pretty open, probably in bags and stuff. Like that, the best ceiling in that back in the 60s and 70s and so where all I had ever heard and learned was that everything from what's touted in that, which is mostly DEA seizures and stuff, or the University of Missouri, they had testing done over there and it's going, OK,
these are what they show. But then I'd have to pull it up. But I've got several books from different people back then. Who had done studies and testing on like Landry strains and that that were like, oh, hey, we actually found them that were in teens or, you know, really. And I'm like, oh, that's very interesting. Because if that's the case, then really it hasn't changed quite as drastically as we thought. It's only changed maybe in some percentages.
But then I look at the market right now and I'm like, but that's kind of the same as we have right now where we've got really shitty bottom shelf, almost basically hemp or even we have Wild West of hemp with THCA and other products, Delta 8 and hemp derived products all over the nation where quality ranges everywhere. And if that's the case, then really we aren't that far off from the 60s and 70's.
The only difference is now we have companies behind it with more data behind their crows, more science than we've ever had, that we can actually look back and go, hey, look, we can track and see all of this stuff because, well, we're not having to hide it because it's legal now within these states. So we can actually see these things. And I'm like, that's a very different approach. But I don't think like, I had never heard of any of that until literally three hours ago, two hours ago.
And he said this and I was like, holy shit, is that true? And so before I responded to it, I kept looking He was because his first comment was like, this is bullshit. I've popped the exact same seed from the 60s as I did today. And this same genetic line is pulling 15% THC. And he's like any, any botanist will tell you that that's not
possible. And I'm like, and so I looked it up and like, well, actually if you change the soil composition, the minerals, like, there's no guarantee that the exact same soil and everything was the exact same 6 back in the 60s. It is 60 years, yeah. It could have even been better. 65 years later. So I was just like, it's, it's kind of hard to say that. But then after he showed me that, I was like, you know, I, I looked back and I was like, holy shit. I have never ever seen this
data. I've not even heard of this data and out of the last time I made this post and it had 160 + 1000 views and like tons of comments all over it. Not a single person gave me a referenceable data that could prove anything except what we've already talked about it like hey, it's always these super low percentages.
But again, if that's really just a scare, then I mean, we know it as we the CNN or MSNBC articles, all the fear mongering of like, hey, this is going to cause all these heart issues and stuff versus hey, we probably tested people who already had heart issues because they're the ones declaring, hey, we've used
cannabis. Oh, well, that's where this data is probably compiled from, not long term data that's actually like comprehensible or would be claimed as like any verifiable or like you really couldn't ground any sort of data around it like hey, this is is a value based evidence. It's like, no, it's pretty generic. It's pulled from random sources. Yeah, and correlation doesn't always mean causation either, right?
So it's very easy to spin the data, spin stories to whatever narrative that you're trying to fight. And the reality is there's still people who don't believe that cannabis is medicine here in our country, you know, and, and there's going to be a ask any young person what their opinion on is it and they're going to tell you something very different than maybe our parents generation and the boomer generations. And that's just, you know,
information. And all you got to do is just do a quick ChatGPT search on the history of cannabis to just understand the truth behind cannabis. And, you know, that's that the battle that we fight every single day is constantly trying to convince people that we are legitimate medicine and we're not just a bunch of stoners out here, you know, grown, you know, grown cannabis in your uncle
basement. So that's what, you know, our main focus to be able to do is, you know, show as many people as possible through the quality of our products, get enough people interested to understand what's happening here in Utah, what's different, what's going on that it starts getting, you know, people interested and, and we get to see that, right.
And, and we get to see people from all over the world checking out Dragonfly Wellness. Like, why would you check out Dragonfly Wellness in Utah if you're in a different country? Well, maybe they heard about a really awesome strain that you guys stride and they're like, let's let's see what's up with
this, what's going on here? You know, so it's really cool now that in this yeah, back to technology that we get an opportunity to do this and how much thicker we're learning about things across people all over the world, you know, and realizing that we here in America act like cannabis is this new thing when other countries have entire centers of excellence surrounded around cannabinoid research. This is why we know what we know why we know what TC and CBD
molecules are. We know about our endocannabinoid system. This is real science, right? And, and more people just need to understand that this is something that happens physiological in our body and it, you know, our endocannabinoid system helps to regulate our entire homeostasis of our body, right? So it's. Really cool to learn it's all
been funded products. Lots of the research has been funded by the United States anyway, so even if it's not done here in the states, most of it has been funded throughout lots of places. And if it has been funded through the United States, the only access to medicine that they're getting to do these studies is from the University of Mississippi, which grows some pretty poor quality candidates.
So not the most efficacious. So no wonder you get these inconclusive results about, oh, it just, it only barely did better than a placebo, right? And so, you know, I think if you started using real products that are actually being produced there by people in medical markets, I think you'd probably have a very different story. Otherwise, I don't think people would continue to keep coming back to dragonfly illness when there are a flurry of other options available right at your
fingertips. Yeah. And that's something I wanted to ask you, man, because you know, concentrates are expensive anywhere pretty much, right? And it can get a little pricey. And, and as a consumer in Utah, they're typically going to be drawn to the cheapest products. That's why you have your Ms. OS here. And that's great. I'm glad that they serve a
certain demographic. But the way that Brandon and I have been able to not only observe your guys's growing process, being able to partake of your guys's amazing products and, and truly being able to say it because I want to clear the air on that one. We are not dragon flow bitch boys by any means. What dragonfly has been is very hospitable, very transparent and open to showing everything to US. Open up the Komodo.
And I mean, you know what we there's literally nothing we have not seen and we have reached out to other ones with crickets. So just so you know, that's why we are. So I mean when we're doing on the show, whether we got a new strain or not, we're we're typically smoking Dragonfly just because of that quality. So. We've definitely tried quite a few other ones and there's been some very. Interesting. Colorado style experiences.
What do you mean by that color? So Colorado has wide ranges of product quality, but one thing I've noticed they are incredibly consistent with is how dry their product is. Even from like the top shelf, like Snoop Dogg, gold leaf, all of those, I've looked at them and like they're still really dry most of the time that's pretty consistent. But even most of the other ones here, I'm like I've seen some really like bottom shelf Colorado quality. Seriously. And I'm like.
You sold at premium prices. Cool. Yeah, exactly like I'm sorry. Here's here's the The Dirty, let's say industry secret as to why you it's so common to see dry flour. When you think about what do people purchase flour based on, you go into most dispensaries, you see a strain, name a price, and the THC percentage. THC percentage is a percent of the THC cannabinoid that shows up in comparison to the weight of the mass of the flower.
So if you have cannabis that has high moisture content, it's heavier, and if you have a low amount of THC, guess what? Your THC percentage is going to be pretty low and people might not think it's as good and might not purchase it. But if I bring that moisture content down and now my 4G flour weighs 3 1/2 grams, well, the same amount of THC is still in
there. And now maybe my numbers went up from 18% and now they're 22%, which does unfortunately have a significant effect on how well that product might sell in a pharmacy, right? Because when you have limited information, it's hard to make decisions on what's a good product. So natural patient behavior is going to be like, well, that's the same strain there has about higher THC. It's the same price can be the one with the higher THC. I'm getting more bang for my
buck. Right, which also sucks because the other consistent comments that I was getting on that post of THC percentages was the amount of people that said that they have like not touched cannabis since the 60s or 70s and they can't use it now because it makes them too anxious because one hit is too much that they don't aren't able to experience the calm, relaxing experience that they used to
have. And I was like, well, that also goes to the quality difference and range of maybe not everyone is getting tie sticks or Landry strains. Maybe people are getting those really shitty ditch weed or the stuff your buddy grew in his backyard that was, you know, from shitty seeds from ditch weed. So I don't I love like magic was an amazing strain, that one. What was that even testing at? Was that 15 or 618? 15 maybe 15% THC but almost 5% CBG which I find a lot in.
Your valley predominantly. Sell THC. Had high CBG as well. That one was a really good hitter and I was, I was surprised that that one after we were puffing out, I was like Oh well this is really pleasant. And we looked, I was like, oh, it's got a crazy high amount of CBG for that. CBG is an awesome cannabinoid that we're still learning a lot about.
But you know, I think there is doctor Ethan Russo did one of the first studies where he was able to do AI believe it was a double-blind placebo test with CBG and he was able to validate that cannabis is not or sorry, CBG is non psychoactive, which is really important because it doesn't create that head change, but it was also shown to help elevate mood.
And that's really important to be able to elevate mood without intoxication because typically that's kind of how SSR is work is kind of numbs you from feeling. So then you're not sad or anxious anymore, right? But you don't necessarily feel better, right?
So it's really cool to be able to see that there these cannabinoids are creating these types of effects for people and allows us to create and formulate different products that have CBG because man, maybe there's somebody who's like, Hey, I would love to get F off of SSRIs and have some other, you know, alternatives to try, you know, for my anxiety, for my depression and be able to see how these work and not have to worry about getting quote UN quote high, right, Because
that's something CBG. Isolates, yeah, CBG isolates or something that is coming down the road in the Utah market. I think you, you, you're already seeing some of those products that are available that you can buy. They tend to be formulated with others because the reality of cannabinoids is we know about the entourage effect.
And when you have multiple cannabinoids and terpenes and flavonoids working together, there's something that just works better than the isolated cannabinoids alone, right? And this is, you know, the, this is nothing new in cannabis. Anybody who's been long in cannabis long enough knows that full spectrum, bod spectrum, those will always do better than your standard distillate isolate types of products or just a straight THC distillate cart, You know, because those people,
that's all they need. Some people, it works for them, right? Maybe it helps with their pain and their anxiety and it's the right dose you can eat. Canned dog food? That's cool. Yeah. So I mean, you know. Everybody's got their flavor. But The thing is, it's, it's exactly that there is because I'm thinking about like for one gram, it's going to go anywhere from like 70 to $90.00.
But I want you to explain to our audience about like, because you're getting that amount, it doesn't mean you've got to do a lot. And what is typically that you're seeing with those who should be exploring that those who are spending a little too much time in the distillates? I mean, distillates are great on the travel on the go. It's like grab and go snacks. But to be honest, I mean, you're really not getting the efficacy, the medicinal properties that
you should be seeing. We see such high sales in carts, but in flour and in concentrate, it's lower. How do we, how do we balance that out? How do we get more people to be able to use concentrates because it's more medically viable for them? Yeah, I mean, first, I mean education, right? Just the first conversation of like even explaining what is a concentrate, because even when I started I was like, what is
that? Why, Why are you putting boogers and ear wax into your thing, into your glass pipe? What is this thing? So most people really don't know how even concentrates are made. And it's really, it's a really cool process because hash making has been around for a really,
really long time. And this all natural, just basically you're giving your cannabis flour an ice bath and, and, and depending on the starting material, well, you start with fresh frozen material, which is going to provide you the freshest, most terpius profile versus something that's cured. You get a different type of consistency in those products, but solvent free, completely natural. And it's really cool to see the types of products can still be made.
And I think these are the types of products that people need to learn more about because I think people do want to put natural, safe products into their body, things that haven't been altered or manufactured or extracted using other things. So it's an opportunity for people to learn about concentrates and the fact that you can buy a 1g concentrate, right? Yeah, $80 sounds like a lot.
But when you break it down and you say, OK, let's say on average a concentrate has about 70% THC out of a 1g, which is 1000 milligrams, you're going to get 700 milligrams of THC, right? So you know that that's quite a bit. So when you think about dosing you, you really only need 10/15/20 milligrams depending on whether you're inhaling, whether you're ingesting. So think about how many times you're using that product over
the course of time. But I think because most people don't understand how it works, how the dosing works, it just seems really expensive because it's like wow, $85 when I could just buy this one gram cart for 40 bucks.
I think I'll take you. 40 bucks well, and, and, and to be able to kind of plug it because I just remember the conversation from earlier, you guys are doing something pretty awesome with a big name company to be able to incentivize people to come and try these amazing concentrates that are going to be coming out here and on 7/10 7:10. We talked about it in our last
episode. Yeah. Can you give us a little bit more info on that and why this is such a big deal to be able to bring medical patients more aware of concentrates being a a go to? It's not as much, I mean you just described it over there. We, we understand that, but hearing it from a producer that actually cares about the quality of product, it's actually saving
you a lot of money. Especially for those who are putting a lot of money into edibles that they don't touch that stay in their sock drawer and the flower that sits, it's for months on end where they might grind up every once in a while. I, I think that concentrates are that answer for a lot of issues for those people and then they can gradually kind of go into the other products. I almost see it as a safer way rather than a vape pen, you know what I mean? Yeah, absolutely.
No, I appreciate you, you know, asking about that because, you know, I'll first start out by, you know, when you think about what are, you know, probably the two limiting factors that might prevent somebody that is already purchasing concentrates maybe from the free market, maybe from other States and not ready to try $85, you know, 1G concentrates in Utah is #1 the
quality. Because what you actually find is that people who do like concentrates are willing to pay for for good quality concentrate. Because if you go into any other adult use market that is supposedly supposed to be cheaper, oh, trust me, you will find 85 dollar 1G concentrates out. Yeah, right. So people are willing to pay for it, but not if it's good quality. So I think there's been a lack of good quality concentrates because it comes from a lack of good quality biomass.
And now that you know, Dragonfly has been producing material specifically for fresh frozen products, we're producing some of the best quality input material, which allows you to produce the best hash. You can Polish a turd, but it's still a turd, right? So having great quality means you're going to have a really great end product. So quality is important. And the other factor is price,
right? Price is always going to be in there, but I look at price of two factors, price of the actual product, but the price of the device because it does require you to have some slightly different devices. And to me that has been the biggest inhibitor of people getting into the concentrate game because I don't want to go buy this giant glass e-mail. I don't know how to use it. I don't want my family to walk in on me using it. And then I can't afford a, you know, 4 or $500 dab device.
So what we've been able to do is partner with, in our opinion, one of the most premier electronic concentrate device makers in the industry. And that's possible Puffco. And Puffco is going to be running some awesome promotions with us during 710 where if you come in on 7/10 and you purchase a Puffco Pivot, you can get a 1G concentrate for a dollar and one for if you're already somebody who's sold out in it, right? Exactly. You're like, wait, normally Puffco doesn't even go on a sale.
You're buying food retail. These, you know, a Puffco Pivot, it's like $130.00. I'm not saying this is a cheap device. But compared to the four $500 license, entry level, easy to use, easy to clean, I think that's one of the things that is going to allow people to start
exploring concentrates more. And we're going to give people an opportunity that are interested in trying, interested in maybe try not just trying concentrates in general, but maybe you've been using concentrates, but you haven't tried Utah concentrates yet. So now you're. Going to get some grams for a dollar. Anywhere. And I'll tell you, I mean it's not going to be the clearance products.
You're going to have an opportunity to get some of the best quality hash and concentrates that is in the market right now, so. Oh, dude, well, I got to ask you then, because I know that you, you guys grow the black amber that's provided that. But is black amber coming out back out or is that one is that it's coming back? I I think you might see a return of black amber soon. I don't know if it'll make it by 7:10. That's fine. No, no. It just tell. Me, it's in the year.
It's one of my favorite strains. That's my favorite strain. Some cool strains, at least you should expect to see outside of our super booth. You know, live rosin. We've got an awesome new dream live resin concentrate as well and a soon 11-G but coming down the pipeline really soon as you guys are going to see some cushions, you know cheered resin oil as well as batter and you're also going to see some of that black amber coming really soon. So I'll keep you guys.
That's what I'm. Talking about dude, that I mean, seriously, even the constructs, one of the things that I will say about the consistency of your guys's concentrates, like what I loved is when I put that in my banger, you know, typically because I mean, I get a mix over there. I've got, I've got your guys's and then I've got, you know, somebody else's and the, the consistency, the cleanliness in my bowl after and it was so cool.
My first experience with Black Amber because I just needed to, I didn't need to really like clean it out. I barely swiped the Q-tip in there and porcelain. That was so Brandon talks about that. It's so. Clean my the Super Boof because I've got the Super Boof and the Super Lemon G and both of those are such clean concentrates that I'm truly left with nothing left
in my banger. Which is insane because even diamonds and sauce, like all sorts of other qualities still leave so much left in the banger that I'm like, you just have to clean it out. But I mean, you still have to clean your banger anyway. But I'm not left with so much residue and just like dark crap, like dark concentrate in the bottom that I'm like, I don't want to turn up my rig hot enough to burn that off. Yeah.
And you bring a good point because that's where the true, you know, testament to good quality concentrate really comes to because all the bad stuff that you put into your starting product, it's going to come out in the wash, no pun intended. But you will literally see it when you're washing the hash. And when you try to move that into the next stage of actually having concentrate, now you see what's left in the banker.
And typically what's left over is not the things that you really want to be putting into your body. So again, those are opportunities to make sure you're getting really clean, regulated product that is tested, you know, and, and, and understanding what's in those products. And that's what you just can't, you know, no one can guarantee you in other states because testing is just so out of whack in other states. Like you can't even take any test results in adult use
markets seriously. And when here in Utah, when you only have two state testing labs, it's very easy to make sure that you're validating and verifying and you get to see and watch all these numbers. And I think that's something our Department of Agriculture does an incredible job is making sure we have accurate, reliable results and safe products that enter into our market. Because that's why we're here,
right? We want to make sure that people that do need the medicine do have an option of being able to get safe regulated product. Cuz back when I was growing up, like you didn't have a choice. You just had to get whatever is available and you didn't know. And when I think look back on that, I'm like, man, that's kind of crazy, right? To just like if you just like rolled up on somebody, but like, yo, let me buy some of those apples and you know nothing.
You know some dude on the street, I don't know you. Know you want these apples? I don't know. Right, I don't know where. You. Yeah, dear. Exactly, exactly. You know, and and that's the thing, like, I mean, and this ain't to call them out, but it, it really is. It's like, hey, why? Why not open up and allow us to come in, get to know you and and what you're doing? Because the the problem that we see with it, it's like, you know, another thing is shout out to stash.
Stash has provided us with these amazing grinders. Nerith, we're getting you a new awesome grinder. You just lost your grinder. So it's perfect opportunity and timing, right? But literally what I love about Dragonfly is when I grind my weed in my stash, I got to clean it more often because that shit is sticky dude, it's so sticky. It is man, I, I would say that for sure. You know, I get, I, I try most of the flour in the state and there's, there's some, there's some good flour out there.
Totally. No matter what flour I try, nothing really lasts as long as the products that we grow. You know, I might have a great experience in 3045 minutes. I'm like, Oh, I, I think I need to read up right where it's for me with Dragonfly, it's super consistent, 234 hours, no problem, no problem. And I can go throughout my day and, and that's probably the biggest difference I notice in my body right next to the nose, next to the, the the bag appeal
and the beautiful buds. But it's how you feel and how much you have to. Use I, I. And I always talk about, yeah, it does cost a little bit more to get a Dragonfly 8, but if you have to spend twice the money of using another product to get the same effect, yeah, I don't think
it's actually cheaper. It's not no. Well, and then the experience I mean you when you have quality product, you you actually lose use a lot less and especially with vaporizer, your guys's vaporizer I used that I just got back from camping. I used it, but The thing is, it's, it's the size, you know, we, we typically, we're talking about that today on the show. Like if it's a bowl that you're burning, that's one thing, but you really don't need like a big
fat bowl for vaporizer. You're going to save so much more time and and on that, but it's the quality of product you're putting inside of it. 3rd of a gram really that is like for a lot of people that is plenty dose right? I'd say for 80% of the people who are using, using cannabis medicinally like that is more than enough. Even for me there's still moments moments and depending on the strain that 1/3 of a gram is enough for me. Where the moon is positioned. Yeah, and I'm like hanging
upside down and. Is Uranus. Position, yeah. This papaya bomb is one of them. Man, yesterday when I first started it in the 1st 15 minutes I was kind of like oh man, this is this, this really isn't doing it. And then I just started playing my new arcade that my friend built for me and boom it hit me like a ton of. Ton of oh it's a creeper. It's it, yeah, it was a slow creeper. So now I'm like, wow. So that's why this is my night time at home, right? Because like I said, like slow
creepers, right? Especially for experienced users where you kind of, you know, when you take that first inhale, you're kind of like, OK, this right to the Dome, this feels different. But those slow creeper, is it like they catch up on you, right? Dude, I mean that's why I talk about black Amber because black Amber to me is my it is the happiest stream not only for me, my wife as well. My wife is just like you know, I got the concentrate but for her it's the flower which always
goes for us flower 1st. And that's what I love about your guys is concentrate, because you can tell that that it is just pure plant and it oh man, I mean you, you even get that petrocore taste even in that. And that's so cool because you know that it's the. Quality. It was literally like getting the flour, smoking that and then going to the concentrate and was like, Oh my God, they taste the same. Exact same tips. Like, oh, it's so good.
Yeah. And that that was not always translates across depending on. What they're? Doing so, it was amazing to see that your guys's products have brought it across, that it is super lemony, same experience, you know and. Absolutely. And look, there's there's some producers that do create some good quality concentrates that are out there. And when they have an opportunity to be able to get their hands on some of our biomass, they're just, you know,
they're just blown away, right. We get opportunity to work with pure Utah. Awesome team over there, Alex Belial, Frank, Dan up all hand. Incredible people, love cannabis, love the culture, love just making awesome hash, awesome concentrates, and they've been an awesome partner to be able to help us develop these types of products because biomass quality flower is just one piece of it, right? Like we make sure that we produce the highest quality.
And it also goes down to the processing of the plant, how you harvest the plant, because good hash comes from good handling of the plant and you want to preserve every single one of those tricone heads on the plant. And if you're just cutting plants down and dragging them through the hallway, you're not going to have the greatest product. So like, it's almost like white glove experience of like harvesting these.
We saw down the buds, putting them into freeze dried bags, freezing them and instantly you lock in that flavor and it's it's it it leads to again, the quality of the so yeah. And the live rosin vape pod, the Nova pod, I'm not a big vapor. Oh my goodness, it is so tasty and so good. Like like I was using flour and I don't normally get that from vapes. Right. No, yeah, live rosins are definitely the closest one to that, even in a concentrate form.
And at your 710 event, you guys have several hash makers that will be there that people can come actually meet, connect with and like learn about the hash that is actually produced here in Utah. Yeah, absolutely. We're gonna have some of the premier hash makers in our state, right? And you know, people might laugh and say, oh, there's no good hash makers here. Yeah, well, come, come and talk to them. Come and or do. We take dab with Brandon.
Amazing conversations, man. JC Beck from Pure Plan. He's just, he's a wizard. A wizard just talking to him about hash, it just gets you so excited. And you're like, I think I wanna try some, you know? And yeah, Alex Villa and his team over there over peer over. They used to grow over in Colorado. So yeah, they produce knocking products, Valley Lowe's products, the out of state concentrate products.
So they're coming in with with some really, really great fire because they believe in the products. They care about these things. They don't want to make poor quality products, right. And then we got a team all the way out in in Heber. All right, the bougie medical team, which is responsible for the mother liquor brand and they took a little hiatus from, you know, the concentrate hash game.
We were we partnered with them very early on and produce probably one of the the rosin since all talked about this day. It was a Granimals rosin. This is before Granimals. The kids clothing brand sent us a cease and desist letter and said we couldn't call it Granimals anymore. And they're concerned. That's for their customers. We're gonna confuse their products with ours, right? Oh my gosh, this doesn't taste like kids toys. These are the flowers. I was excited so. Stupid. I know it's.
Like the same logic of no chocolate. Yeah. But yeah, they have three incredible, incredible hash makers that are so passionate about the plant, passionate about their craftsmanship, because when you talk to them, it is art. These are like chefs, chefs with a little less ego, only a little less. Because all these guys believe in their product, the best product, as they should. Because that's what a good hash maker should think, that hey, I'm going to make the best product possible.
Right, they are to. Support my brand. So yeah, pure duty, pure plan, Mother liquor. Like they're going to be having hash deals. If you want to try some of the best hash that's out here, come check those out and you'll still be able to pick up the dragonflies super booth as well too.
You'll be able to try a number of different things and there's going to be, you know, opportunities where Puffco is going to be sponsoring some giveaways where some patients will be able to potentially get a Puffco peak device for a dollar that's. What I'm talking about?
$100 devices, right? And then, you know, also, you know, being able to come that day and be able to get medical cards because I know that there's a lot of people that are reluctant to get their cards because of the cost. It is it's expensive and to be honest, gosh, if I wasn't working in the industry, I'd have a hard time paying 150 dollars, $200 to go get a card and then buy product. You know, I'm like, I kind of just bought product.
So, you know, you know, our partners across the street at Utah Grown, they've run, you know, Educational Medical Card Center where you can go and get one of the most affordable cards every single Tuesday of the week for $75, plus the $15 state fee, which the Department of Health and Human Services will be reducing in half starting July 1st. They're also reducing the standard $3 transaction fee down
to $1.50. So it's awesome to be able to see that the Department of Health has been able to find opportunities to make this program more affordable because I do truly believe we have one of the best medical cannabis
programs. And it's thanks to the people who work at the Department of Health, people like, you know, Ritual Warren, people at the Department of Agriculture like Brandon Forsyth and Cody James, that puts so much care and effort into the program to make sure that we have one of the safest and best cannabis programs out there.
And it's really cool to be a part of, you know, this community, which is obviously very different than, you know, maybe the support network that existed before cannabis got legalized. And you just had to rely on your homies and, you know, your neighbors and the people that,
you know. Now we get to work with really incredibly smart, talented people in regulatory agencies that have an opportunity to make sure that we are producing the safest and best products out there and making sure that we're educating, you know, people on the difference between medical cannabis and what you might just buy out there on the street or from your plug. And it's not the same thing, I
can tell you that. Yeah. Well, and with that man, I mean, for those that you know over there within you tag and and with the all the regulatory that you have to be able to do it. One of the things that we wanted to ask is you could be able to put us in touch with some of them because we feel that you know what you've you've given them a good amount of love. Now they're not always making your life easy and so and exactly.
But that's the thing. Like you, you've given them respect and love for that reason alone. Because it's like, yeah, hold us, hold us to a higher standard. And even though we know that in the cannabis industry, no matter where it is, there are companies that are cutting corners and it almost feels like they're greasing palms around the same time.
So it's it's good to hear that you have a high esteem for Utah AG, especially Utah AG, because Utah AG gets a bad rap a lot with it within the within the industry. I understand that. But that's that's honorable. You're treating him as like, yeah, you know, that's OK. You keep me in check. I keep producing high quality product. I mean, no argument there. Yeah, they are. You know, we see them as as partners, right? Sometimes we don't see eye to eye. We don't agree on things.
Sometimes we disagree on a lot of things. But the end of the day, you know, rules are rules and everybody's got to follow by the same rules. And it's awesome to be in a state where we actually get to have open dialogue and conversations and talk directly to our regulators, where there's plenty of other markets where you wouldn't never have that opportunity to be like, hey, I'd like to talk to you about this new rule that you're going to issue and I'd like to share my feelings.
I don't think you get an e-mail response back, right? So, yeah, I'm not, I'm, you know, I'm not just trying to get brownie points out there. That's the reality is that we are constantly meeting all the time, every single month. These are public meetings that honestly, I wish more people would actually attend the medical cannabis policy Advisory Board meeting. Usually it's I believe it's the second Tuesday of every single month.
We talk about different policies, agendas, different rules, things to help improve our program and that has a board of, you know, independent folks, some people from industry, some people from the medical field, some people from the education field, from patient advocacy. Desiree Hennessy from the Utah Patients Coalition is on that. So you get input from all these different people on does this real makes sense?
How does this help patients? How does this hurt rather than somebody just making the decisions on the whim. So it's really cool to be able to have those types of conversations and more people should TuneIn and listen and provide feedback and say, hey, I'd like to weigh in on this. You know, this idea because it makes no sense to me. You know why you would, you know, force me to, you know, drive out of state because you don't accept my qualifying condition here in the state of Utah.
Yeah. So now I feel like a criminal because I have anxiety, I have depression, I have insomnia, I have anything. But now I can't get a card, so I'm going to drive to Wendover or drive to Dinosaur Co or wherever. Oh, dinosaur. Oh. Yeah, we love. Funny ones we did that. It was a good. Run Yeah, Han Solo Burger and Casey Jones is what I got. From Han Solo. Burger Han Solo Burger is a good one, man. Dude, that was a good a good batch. You know, sometimes you get some
banging. Oh, that shit. Was dry as that. That shit was dry. As fuck yeah, it was safe dry right if you're going to spend nights. I was so. Excited. Anyways, that was my for the. Reality is, is like people, there's this fallacy that people think that driving out of state is actually cheaper and saving money when like yesterday back to quality. Like I know that there's still people out there on the street that, you know, are, are spending 200 to $250 for an
ounce from their plug. And the fact that you can go into Dragonfly right now and get a highly quality tested, you know, free of all these solvents and pesticides and anything that you'd be harmful to your body, and you can get that for under $200. At a regular pharmacy, like if I was still in the free market I'd be like Dang I don't think my
plug can beat that. Sometimes my plug doesn't even have any cuz he's not even consistent and he brings stuff that he doesn't even know what the name is, right? So that's, that's just the reality, right? And you know, sometimes, you know, when we do talk about, you know, cannabis and the people who use cannabis, we kind of put people into these bucks buckets of, well, you're a medical patient, but if you're not, you're just a recreational user.
And it's kind of a weird thing to put people into a bucket and make them feel some kind of way, like if I'm over here, I'm doing something wrong, but the guy right next to me is perfectly legal and fine. It's, it's confusing, man. If I'm just a regular person, it's it doesn't make sense. So when people first try a dragonfly product, what do you hope they walk away thinking or feeling? Honestly, like for us, like we take a lot of pride in our
products. So I want them walking away thinking it's like, wow, this is some of the best product I've ever tried. Like that is always, our goal is, is to constantly go there. We don't always get it right. We don't always make products that really, you know, but that's how we're able to kind of go through our library and really identify the things that really help. Because one of the unique things in Utah here is we have a start
from scratch. You can't just go to a nursery like in other States and get, you know, tested and proven female types and put them right in. You start from seed and whatever you get, you get. So that takes a long time. And I think people are going to be really surprised at how much the quality of Utah cannabis starts to increase here over the next 6 to 12 months because I have that opportunity to go to a lot of different operators and things are definitely turning around.
You get the right people, you get things dialed in, and that's the expectation because otherwise we're doing a disservice to our patients. So do you think we should be talking to the other producers around here now? I think so. I think so, man. I think the challenge is, is just finding who the right person to talk to is, right? Because you're likely not gonna talk to somebody like me who's from Utah, right? Born and raised, lives here. Eaton Breeze here.
I'm a huge Utah advocate. I love this place. Right. And most people you might get somebody in a different state in a different area headquarters and it's really you kind of miss that element of understanding what's really happening here in Utah. And people who live in Utah know what other people say about us in Utah. But we also know how incredibly awesome it is. And we're glad that there's the people that kind of stay away, but there's there's a lot of people figuring it out. I know.
Well, when I was out knocking doors in Kentucky and they found out I was Mormon then and from Utah, I was asked how like where my horns were and I was like horns. I thought you were touching your horns. Hit. Question. Yeah, no, legit, like a legit question. I was in Louisville, KY and someone asked me and then someone else was like, how many wives do you have? And I was like, fuck one. Like, are you kidding me? Can you imagine more than one? Like what is plenty?
Why would you need more than one? Do you know what it's like? Come on, bro. Yeah. What's a? What's a no, dude, Brandon, I just had to say something. This is just just random funniness. But dude, where you have that mic, it almost looks like you have a bow tie. And I'm just like, dude. You should just put it in the middle. Yeah, dude. Oh, man, no, dude, I love this combo nerd. Because, you know, and it's been a lot. I mean, as you know, we've developed this relationship over the years.
It's been amazing because of us being able to really learn, not just the in a, in a way, just because, you know, we've we've really liked your guys's pride. You're not giving us like, yeah, dudes come in grab buckets, but you are very careful about what you guys are releasing and you're careful about the partners that you white label for. They have to fit within your guys's ethos.
So that is, you know, I, I really wanted to say that, you know, from us, it has been quite an extraordinary experience to to have partake of and consistently prefer to go to your guys's products. The only problem we have, we're like, man, I mean, we're just waiting for the next batch to come out because of the nature of our show, but it's like it
doesn't matter. Like we, we started introducing more educational content specifically towards the questions that people are asking, dedicating full shows to those and we're just like, sweet, that means we're not doing a strain review. We. Can have just smoke. Strain specific. We can do whatever strain we want this week, it doesn't matter. And that's what's awesome.
We've even I've even had on the show where I've spoke like I had when it was a rare, but I had some dragonfly flower that had been sitting in a tube for a while and it still hit as fresh as the day I grounded up. So I'm just like and you're going to. Love this properly. It can last a really long time, man. And, and that, that's reality, right?
I'd, you know, I would, I would challenge anybody to come to our facility and look, open up a random bin and tell us whether that was just grown one month ago or three months ago or six months ago. And when you keep it in, in the right, you know, environmental conditions, cannabis can last a really long time, right? And that's one of the things to also educate people on is like, don't just go home and just open up your bag and then forget to seal it or whatever.
Those bags, a lot of them aren't great at retaining the moisture and keeping those things. So sometimes it's nice to be able to have a separate container to be able to store it in. And unfortunately, due to, you know, some state regulations, technically that's not legal to remove your product and put it into a separate container because you want to be able to keep it together. So there are these little nuances and challenges that do
make it difficult. And that goes back to like this, OK, that's too recreational yet I'm a medical user and that's how I use my product, but I'm not allowed to do it. So, you know, but again, these are all the things that we have to. You. Know because if you're a person from the legislator or regulator, you've never used cannabis, how could you possibly understand and make these rule and, and, and decide all this?
We should do it this way. And you're like, actually how people use it. Or see, we want to talk to those individuals because we really want to be able to, I mean, not in a way to be able to sit there and just, you know, point fingers at them and and rake them over the coals. Not by any means that at all. I just want to be able to go, hey, really, we want to understand your perspective.
Like, why is this so demonized? Like, and it just can't be off of anecdotal science and then some proven science, right? It's got to be like down to their core, despite all the data, it comes down to their feelings on this. And that's where we are really going into this. Brandon and I both are just like, we just want to understand what the fear is because everybody that I've ever met who
was like, oh, no way. Then they smoke it and then immediately their life changed going, why is this illegal? It's the first thing that comes to their mind. Why is this illegal? And it is that this just the more educated consumer. And that's what we really were impressed with, with you guys really guiding.
I mean, the entire experience by coming into the dispensary is much different from where you'll feel in other places despite I mean it. And it's always a bit of a a wild card when you go to another dispenser. I'm just going to be honest about that. Like, you go in there, yeah, you might get a cool person, you might get a douchebag. And but every time we've gone in to to Dragonfly, they've always treated us like family.
So it's been awesome. Well, we're a family owned business and we really do believe in family values and taking care of each other and, you know, taking care of our team because, you know, we care about what we do. And, you know, most of our employees, they could be working a lot easier jobs elsewhere, right? That, you know, doesn't come with the stigma and the shame of, you know, cannabis for some people, right?
And that's a big decision and sacrifice that a lot of people in the cannabis industry have to make. And so, you know, that's something we all kind of share commonly together that we really do care about what we do. Otherwise we wouldn't be doing this this way. Other things where you don't have, you know, Big Brother looking over your back at every single corner and, you know,
just being able to operate. So it's, it's, it's a challenge, you know, but you know, we look at it as a privilege, right, Because not very many people get a opportunity to do this. So, and that's why it's really, really important to us that we, you know, do everything we can to make sure that we take care of our patients, take care of our, you know, employees and take care of our community because this is who we are and
where we're from. Sam, dude, thank you so much for spending this time coming back to our show. I mean, we'll be gone here, hopefully a lot more. We, we learn a lot. We learn a lot by being able to you get you got your finger on the pulse, not just here in Utah, but across the nation. So you've always are trying to be able to see like what can we do better here to provide an even better experience that even rec states may not be able to achieve. So thanks again, man.
Brandon Parting. Words oh brother, I just appreciate you being here. It's just a pleasure as always so and everyone tuning in at home. We love you guys. Thank you so much. We'll catch you next week.