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Thank you, Jesse. Nice to see you. Danny, where's Pierre? He's been missing in action as the media's attention has turned towards Carney and the conservatives' lead has slipped. Listen to these headlines. The walrus. Pierre Polyev's lead was supposed to be unshakable. It isn't. New York Times. Trump's threats against Canada upend conservative playbook. CBC. How Trump is forcing the conservatives to pivot.
Hamilton spectator Pierre Polyev seems to be floundering as the world changes around him. Kirk LaPointe in business in Vancouver. Sorry, Pierre. Carney is our next prime minister. Trump 2.0 derails Pierre Polyev's glide path in Canada, says Politico. Toronto Star, the country wanted change. Pierre Poliev seemed like the answer. Then along came Donald Trump. And throughout all of this negative press that Pierre was slipping, he was fading away. Where was Pierre? He was.
Rebranding. Denny. Pierre is back. Are there any patriots in the room who are ready to put Canada first? The Conservative Party says close to 2,000 turned out in Ottawa for what it billed as a Canada First rally on Flag Day. Polyev is hoping to seize on the tidal wave of patriotism generated by U.S. President Donald Trump's threats. After repeatedly calling Canada broken over the past two years, Conservative leader Pierre Polyev today took a more upbeat tone.
Shifting over to patriotism as a key thing, that's a winner. Look at the size of that flag. Sometimes it does take a threat to remind us what we have, what we could lose. And what we could become. Danny, what do you make of Pierre 2.0? Or is it 3.0? I think it's 3.0. Because 2.0 is when he lost the glasses. Yeah. He lost the glasses and he got a little bit buff.
Are the glasses back on? What do you make of, because he's back, baby. What do you make of PR these days? So what are we talking about? I feel like we have to establish that. So this Saturday, which was flag day in Canada. He reemerged, got back off the mat from what has to be an incredible transition. Like he had it in the bag. The carbon tax was a perfect reflection of the Canadian mood. And then all of a sudden.
Donald Trump, tariffs, whatever else Donald Trump is doing, like tweets from the toilet, has just turned his life upside down. But he came back, started with a quote by John A. MacDonald. In the words of our great first prime minister. Conservatives will fight, and I quote, to give us a great, a united, a rich, an improving, a developing Canada instead of making us a tributary to American laws, American railways.
American bondage and American tolls. You and I have actually talked about quite a bit. Sir John A. MacDonald. I'm not a fan. Are you a fan? Am I a fan of—no, I think that even as the winds of change tilt back towards our founding fathers, am I a fan of John A. MacDonald, who starved Indigenous people on the plains?
Without even getting high handed about it. No, I'm not a fan of Johnny. No, I'm not a fan of Johnny McDonald. Well, Paliyev's argument is that, you know, if Canada isn't your friend. Who is? So. The reaction is, instead of, oh, you know, Canada is complex in the same way that the U.S. is complex, and in the U.S. you actually see a rewriting of history, you know, it's like not...
quite illegal to be Black yet, but who knows? Like, the existence of being a non-white person is now a DEI hire. And in Canada, the push in this message seemed to be, let's stop. talking about Canada being bad. Let's all just get back together and rally under the flag. The need to celebrate rather than cancel our proud history and country. Danny, I think you're missing the point here. I think you're missing like what...
Polyev is actually communicating in this rebrand because old Pierre, everything was blue, but now it's all red. And white. The old Pierre would just go on and on and on about... The carbon tax, ax the tax, the carbon tax. My 13-year-old knew that line, ax the tax. It was very effective. Not anymore. The new Pierre, Pierre 3.0, says, I have to concede.
I've had to reflect on whether it is a top of mind issue. And after much reflection, I have concluded that the carbon tax will be an even bigger issue. in the coming election. I'm sorry. I fell asleep for a little bit there. Are we done? No, we're not done. The new Pierre said that he's really concerned that the liberals ban you from using a plastic straw but allow you to use cocaine. So next time you're snorting up, just make sure you use a paper straw to save the world.
Now, given the price of cocaine these days and the absorbency issues with paper straws, I don't think he knows what he's talking about there. I mean, I sort of like that one. That one's pretty good. He's going to make it a crime. It's going to be in the criminal code if you fuck with monuments to John A. MacDonald. We will add new criminal code penalties for anyone caught tearing down or defacing our statues and monuments.
I don't know. He loves Johnny McDonald. He really does. But this is what he says. And I think he's speaking to you here, Danny. People who've tried to destroy the great founder of this country, John A. MacDonald. I think he had you in mind. Well, I've got a message for them. If there were no John A. MacDonald, there would be no Canada. And we're like, oh, that's fine. Well, not now, not now that we're patriotic. Now we like Canada again. Here's what he's got to figure out is having...
ascended not only to leadership of the conservative party, but to a, at one time, what was it? 28 point lead in the, like just ridiculous having ascended by jumping on the Trump train. I mean, like, we should never forget that he was the one conservative who dared to make a common cause and embrace the trucker occupation of Ottawa. He brought them Timbits.
And days later, he was the leader of the Conservative Party. He owes his position, he owes his job to his affiliation with, to whatever degree we can call that, a Canadian manifestation of Trumpism. That's what got him here. And now the mood has turned decidedly anti-Trump. And ironically, because the patriotism that he has been long, you know, it's a time for a return to nationalism and patriotism. Well, Canadians found that patriotism.
in our united disgust and anger at Trump and his assault on our sovereignty. So where does that leave Pierre? The rally, the visuals, the red and the white, like it. Almost looks like a liberal rally. So what do you do in that situation when you have to reverse your opinions, your polarity, while also still saying, you'll note, he mentions, well, we should maybe trade more with the U.S. Option two.
We trade even more. And both our workers make more. Our consumers pay less. And does that really make sense when we're looking at tariffs that is like 25% and then an extra 50% sort of tariff on tariff stacking. And like, okay, at like 75% tariffs, we should have more trade with them. That's interesting. Right now, I think one important note in the polling is that I think that people are...
picking between Pierre Polyev and a generic liberal. And it's easy for the Liberal Party. There's not yet a leader. Maybe it's Carney, but it's like an ideal liberal versus a real and present conservative.
I'm just going to contradict everything I've said so far, which seemed to suggest that Pierre's out in the wilderness now. And that is the mood that we'd be getting from the media is like they turned on him. As soon as there was a plausible anti-Pierre narrative, we were flooded with anti-Pierre coverage as if like, that's it, he's done. But...
He has been campaigning against sort of like a dream bachelor version of a liberal candidate, you know, and even to the extent that Pollyev is like, well, remember. how much we all loved Harper and I was part of that. And then Carney says, well, Harper asked me to be finance minister.
Have you been offered positions in the past? I have been offered positions in the past. I was offered, for example, Prime Minister Harper asked me if I would be his finance minister in 2012. So he's trying to drink his milkshake there.
Just has to sting. It's not going to last, I think. And I think that the enthusiasm with which... the media is embracing this idea that there's a path for the liberals and, and how quickly it went from like, oh, there's weakness in the conservatives lead to like, he's done. There's no small amount of wishful thinking in this coverage to this question of.
Ooh, how can he thread this needle? How can he possibly be this patriotic Canadian who loves Canada after campaigning on a Canada is broken, Canada is broken, shitting on Canada and looking like a Trump? I don't think that's as big a challenge as people are making it out to be. I mean, Trump does it. Trump says...
We're going to get out of this American carnage. He talks down America. He shits on America while hearkening back to a glorious past. That's kind of textbook populism. I'm not sure that's the contradiction. But the color problem, the color problem, Danny, there is a problem. I'll grant you that because, you know, how can he be blue and hand red the color of the flag over to the opponents? You can't let Kearney have red.
But it's very confusing because, you know, the mega hats are red and Trump's tie is red. Republicans are red. So now they're all red. I think what you're missing there is that. The Republicans are the party of like America, like the USA, USA party versus the Democrats who have often been accused of America bashing, whereas the liberals are sort of like upper Canada.
Oh, look at us. Pierre Polyev was, in fact, quoting Laurier at one point this weekend. Yeah. Who Justin Trudeau, back when he was everybody's liberal boyfriend, was quoting Sunny Ways. Sunny ways, my friends. Sunny ways. Pierre Poliev probably can't get away with sunny ways, but he's had to moderate his behavior. And that is just a change that I guess we'll see.
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You know, great policies against the carbon tax. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Who the hell cares what I say? That's what I say. If you want some indication, like I think that liberal MPs. have pretty informed opinions about whether or not their chances have improved. I don't know what the number, last time I checked, it was like 30 Liberal MPs not running again. I think it's a lot more than that now. And I just read that Pascal Saint-Ange, rising star cabinet member, not seeking re-election. So...
One thing you can speak about from Alberta, I'll allow it, is the depth of the... I'm not even going to like use words like enmity or dissatisfaction, like the loathing of the federal liberals. I do not think that a change in leadership is going, like it's just been years of just disgust. Yeah, I mean, ever since Trudeau Sr. and threats to nationalizing the energy industry, certainly it's been years.
Well, as an Eastern bastard currently freezing in the dark, no, I think nationwide we have seen a toxicity towards, I don't even like the way it's being pathologized. I mean, like on its fringes, it's gotten uglier than we've seen in Canada. A lot of that is just trying to, I think, dismiss the fact that the people are really unhappy with their government, you know, like really, really unhappy. And is the fact, and it is a fact.
that many more journalists will lose their jobs if Pierre Polyev is elected. Does that fact contribute to the love affair with Carney that I found in that, like... list of headlines that I only read half of. What do you think? I mean, how can it not? Like, I think the CBC has certainly done an... admirable job about trying to tackle what is a complicated situation. Perhaps it's not that different from Harper, who had similar feelings about the CBC.
And we had to navigate that last time as well. But now we have the subsidies, media's in even a worse situation than it was in 2014, 2015. And even the post-media chains, even they rely on those newspaper subsidies, mostly for bonuses for their senior level people. I think we in media are caught in a difficult situation, but then... So is Pierre Polyev. I mean, think of how he's made comments about Radio Canada and how that would stay.
Even while they defund CBC, when Radio Canada and CBC, their funding is like so integrated, their organizations are so integrated. How can you fund one but not the other? Well, because one still has influence to hurt him if they don't like him. And the other one is more effective for him as a punching bag. I don't think he cares anymore if he gets good coverage from CBC.
Oui, bien sûr. But it is still a reality that it's hard to separate those two. And I think Quebecers, they might like pandering, but they're not stupid. That's right. They just would hold him responsible for getting rid of Radio Canada because they still use it and value it. And Francophone Albertans. Thank you. And Francophone Albertans. Yes, because there's French speakers across this great nation of ours. Interestingly, Danny.
An interview where he talked about his attitudes towards media was given to a new media source, Juno News. Who is Juno News? Today we're announcing that we're joining forces to change the media landscape in Canada. We are announcing the launch of Juno News, junonews.com, a subscription-based service where you can find all of the content that you're looking for to stay informed on Canadian news and politics. Follow along with everything Candice and I are doing as we grow this.
full disclosure, still suing. me and Canada land. Kian Bexty, originally Rebel Media. Then he had his counter signal, which I guess is still around, but he's got a partner in this new Juno news enterprise. Yeah. Candace Malcolm.
It was interesting to see this joint venture because they already have little indie outlets. Candice Malcolm's True North Initiative, which looks like a news site of sorts, but is run out of a charity. Both True North and... the counter signal read aesthetically as right-wing angry media, but Juno just looks kind of more pleasant and nice and banal, I guess, is the branding.
Yeah, it's green. But I mean, they say right in there about us that they are going to publish stories written by their friends at True North. So they're not really creating a lot of daylight between those two groups. So are they just repackaging their stuff to make it look less angry? Well, I don't even know if they're repackaging stuff. I mean, they're like right on their header. It's home podcast, politics, immigration, crime.
Encounter signal. So I just don't think they're trying too hard to hide this. All right. Well, information buyer beware. That's what Juno News is as far as we can tell. So apparently Pierre Polyev is a fan. He gave them a 35-minute interview to help them with their launch. Here's what that sounded like.
The Parliamentary Press Gallery is like an insider's group. They don't want to give access to people who don't work for legacy media. What would your policy be around allowing access to your government or to you personally for independent media? Absolutely. I think their independent media should be allowed.
on the precinct. There's no reason why it should be a small cabal of government-approved mouthpieces. It is highly undemocratic. So, Danny, if Polyev is so keen on independent media, why can't we get him on Canada Land? And just to run a fact check on Pierre here, you heard what he said about the parliamentary press gallery, Canada land.
is in the parliamentary press gallery. Our reporter is Sam Connert. We are an independent news source. We do not take media subsidies from the government, but we are a part of the parliamentary press gallery. So are we to be considered a part of the legacy media cabal? Anyways, new Pierre's take on the media is sounding suspiciously like old Pierre's take. Makes me think that he might need to workshop some new material. Here's what I read recently in The Hub.
The new messaging from Pierre Polyev works, but more material is needed, writes Scott Reed, who is the principal and co-founder of Feschuk Reed and former communications director for Paul Martin. It's pretty thin. this new Pierre, like what his flag day pivot has yielded, you know, it doesn't seem that different than old Pierre. If you were Jenny Byrne, Danny, and you were trying to help Pierre Polyev be our next prime minister and regain his 28-point lead.
What would you advise? Were I a political, a conservative political strategist? That's not a realm of thinking that I'm accustomed to, but I would say let's stay the course. I mean, I think that it was a necessary pivot to at least show some sort of solidarity.
You know, Canada is actually really great because you can just say it's just Trudeau and the Liberals that need to go. We were fine before that. It was our glory days. Remember Stephen Harper? Remember what he said about Ukraine? We had a tough message for the Russian president. Get out of Ukraine.
Like, great leadership. All we need is to get rid of the liberals. And that still generally fits the mood. What they probably need to be careful of now is the general election and all of the mega retweets that their candidates are going to be. they're going to cover in the media and uncover like the interviews with Jordan Peterson, the like anti-woke Twitter accounts talking about God knows what crime, immigration, etc.
Like how to trumpet up with Walt keeping some space between him and Trump will be the challenge. Canada first, Jesse. Canada first. He's already given us some hints. And I think hearkening back, as you suggested, the Harper years, there's already little hints of that. Because it was Stephen Harper who said that if he were still prime minister, he would accept, quote, any level of damage to preserve the independence of the country.
I see that echoed in Polyev's new speech. We will bear any burden and pay any price to protect the sovereignty and independence of our country. Which is an interesting thing to run on. Vote for me. We'll endure pain together. It's a little bit of like an S&M approach to... Okay, like maybe for you softies in Upper Canada, but I think you have to consider that for people who...
Listen to Jordan Peterson. Think that people have become too weak. That's actually, it's a good message. The idea that we do need to fight and that there's endurance and that, you know, struggle builds character. which is all over like the Manosphere male-dominated podcast, Joe Rogan. And so it actually aligns really nicely with a common idea. So if you think people are too weak, then you also think that people need to buck up.
It appeals to me a little bit. I think we do need to buck up. We have taken for granted that we're... just aligned with our best friends forever in the U.S. And then all of a sudden, it just takes one crazy guy to show us the problems with that and the need for some sort of sovereignty and identity separate from not being American. Yeah.
I think you're right. And I think that that will play well against a bean counter opponent. He'll just keep associating him back with the liberals, liberals, liberals. But yeah, like elite media banker doesn't exactly meet the mood of the moment, does it? Danny, it's time for Duly Noted. Do you have any news stories to note for our listeners that maybe they would otherwise miss?
So we've been talking a lot about Canadian sovereignty, which reminds me of one of my favorite topics, Arctic sovereignty. So Jesse, as you may be aware, I went up above the Arctic Circle when I worked for APTN. I produced a podcast called The Place That Thaws. So that was about climate change. But while I was up there, one thing that I just couldn't escape was both the relocation. So Inuit were moved from Inukjuak Northern.
Quebec, up above the Arctic Circle. And at the same time, there was this Canadian military base up there. And Pierre Polyev actually was in Iqaluit. And he mentioned that there was a plan to build a permanent military base in Iqaluit. And that's something that the premier up there, who's P.J. Akegoek,
saying, well, you need to make sure that you're consulting with northerners. I mean, there's a diverse community out there of Inuit, Dene, of people who actually came through when it was an American military base. It's not just land that you can build and do whatever you want. Like there's 8,000 people there and a military base could drastically change the community. That's going to probably double the population.
There's not necessarily infrastructure. And this is a community that had like gasoline in their drinking water a few years ago. So on one hand, maybe Canada would finally invest in the North. But of course, in such a colonial way, it's only ever... going to be through like military expansion, which is sort of the same imperialism that we're seeing south of the border. Duly noted.
I would like to duly note, not a news story, but just a little bit of trivia here. Canadian journalist Andrew Kirjata posted the results of a curious little Google search that he ran. He was curious to see how popular the term joint. the military in Canada had become over the past 90 days as we've been experiencing this uptick in Canadian pride and patriotism. And lo and behold, there's been a massive spike in interest starting in early February.
in joining the military searches on Google. And the retort to that came in the replies when Simon Little ran a search for how to buy a gun. The Canadians' interest in joining the military tracks almost identically with our interest in buying a gun. So I don't know what that tells us, but that perhaps...
Canadians are at least searching for new answers when it comes to national security through any way that they can. Okay, like a fun counter example is I was just reading in the New Yorker an article that like... Two thirds of Americans are too fat to be in their military. Don't get me into this again, please. Are the size activists after you? Oh, I missed that. Let's just end it there. Duly noted. That is our show for today. Thank you, Danny, for joining me.
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