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I haven't voted yet. I didn't make it out to the advanced polls. Look, I've been busy. We have been going full throttle with election coverage over here, and I haven't had it. But also, I haven't made up my mind yet. I honestly do not know who I'm going to vote. As I speak to you on this election day, I have no preference. I have not decided. My vote is up for grabs. And I've done it before. I've voted Liberal, I have voted NDP, I've voted Conservative.
There might have been a Parti Quebecois or a Green Party or some other fringe party vote over the years. I honestly don't remember. I have thrown in my lot with anybody for any number of reasons. I have no loyalty. I am politically promiscuous. I'm basically a big sl- So do not believe what you read on Reddit, people. We are not a right-wing news outlet. We are not a progressive news outlet. I don't demand any ideological conformity from my employees when it comes to politics.
Except on one point, everybody in our news organization has to agree to be as big a pain in the ass as they can to whoever gets elected. And if we're all signed on for that, then I don't really care who anybody here at Canada Land votes for. I don't even know. On this election day, I am going to open up my own process to you. I'm going to try to make an honest account of everything that I'm thinking about as I decide who I'm going to vote for today.
So yeah, I'm going to take you through my process. And I have invited anybody here at Canada land who wants to join to come into studio in person or remotely to do the same with. Hey team. Hey Jesse. Hey. Hello. Hello. Hello. All right, this is going to get confusing unless we all do a roll call here. So if we can introduce ourselves. I'm Noor Azriyeh. I host Canada Land's politics show. I live in the Toronto Danforth riding, but I'm from Lebanon, but I spent most of my life in Qatar.
In summary, I'm an immigrant who can't vote who has a shit ton to say. I'm Tristan. I'm the audio editor here at CanadaLand. I was born in Toronto, but have lived most of my life in Montreal. My name is Julian Abraham. I am a reporter for CanadaLand. My hometown is Halifax, Nova Scotia, and I spent the last five years living in the U.S.
My name is Ferreya Ahmed. I'm the office manager at Canada Line. I'm from Ottawa, Ontario, but I've been living in Toronto for about 10, 11 years now. Hi, I'm James. I'm a producer of our media criticism show. I'm in Guelph. What we're going to try to do today is an experiment in honest. I don't like the way that sounds. On this election day. And, okay, here's my thinking, okay? Let's hear it.
Throughout this campaign, and really any time that people talk about politics or news, we kind of approach it as if it's always this conversation about How do people vote? They vote their values. They vote their principles. They vote for the policy. that align with those things. They vote out of empathy for others. And the assumption is always that this is what is going to be in our minds when we all go to the polls.
But there's other stuff that does not really get reflected in these conversations. Like people vote out of just, like the biggest one is like, which of these candidates is going to save me or make me the most money? Like that's a really big one. People vote out of shame. Like, if you're going to be embarrassed to tell your friends who you vote for, that's going to affect your vote. So... I don't need you to disclose your worst tendencies.
The, you know, extent to which shame, anger, clannishness. We need a better word in English than clannishness. But, like, you know, people are pack animals and they're like— Tribalism? Tribalism. I wonder if it's possible to have on this election day A conversation where we open up our process to each other about what we're really thinking. However, there are obstacles in this exercise.
No shit. Some of them are just like our policy as a company. I actually cannot ask you who you're going to vote. So that's the rule that I have. What, like as a manager? Can't ask if you're pregnant or who you vote for. Those are the two big questions. There's other things, but those are the two relevant, I guess, to me. Now, that's don't ask. That isn't don't tell. But we have a don't tell here, kind of. Like we try to like, there is like company policies for editorial employees.
And we try not to be like didactic, like you can never express a political opinion like, you know, the economist or somebody might have. But here's how it's written in the Canada Land Guide to Canada. We expect employees to avoid any personal, financial, or other interests that might hinder their capability to perform their job duties.
editorial employees must recuse themselves from covering topics or stories that they know will place them in a conflict of interest. And the burden of like keeping track of that is on the editorial employee. So what that means is. If you were to go out there and say, I'm going to vote for X or go to a rally for X or you should vote for X.
then that could conceivably and I think reasonably make it hard for you if you cover politics to be seen as in any way fair or neutral. And then you'd have to recuse yourself. And those are the guardrails that we're going to try to observe. As we conduct this experiment, I think I found a way for me anyhow around these rules, which is the way that I'm going to talk here. I'm not going to say who I'm voting for. I'm going to say.
If I vote for this party, here's why I would hypothetically be doing so. James here. The pregnancy parallel is interesting because like... I will confess, I am not pregnant with my vote. It's actually been delivered already, early, slightly premature.
I'm ahead of term. Congratulations. Congrats. Thank you. Thank you. There's no being a little bit pregnant. There's no being a little bit conservative. If you cast a conservative vote, you know, then you did it. Which I'm not saying you did, James. I have no idea what you voted. If I were to vote conservative, I would be doing so, hypothetically, out of spite. That's the rationale. Wow. Who hurt you, Jesse? Who hurt you?
Canada hurt me, Tristan. Like just a month ago, Canadians had collectively decided in poll after poll. based on a decade of experience under the liberal government that we deserve better. That was what we had collectively decided. And then Trump makes like a dumb, hollow joke about Canada being the 51st state. And like, we're supposed to drop everything, reverse course. and pick a different leader and a different government than we would? Like, why?
because Polyev is too Trumpy? There's so many reasons, hypothetically, why I might never want Polyev to be prime minister, but I'm not afraid that he's too Trumpy. Like, that's meaning, like, not everything is about fucking Trump.
You know, we're a sovereign nation. What is my criticism about Canada being for years that we're like deeply unserious, we don't pay enough attention to what happens here, we don't get good government just like we don't get good journalism or good comedy shows because we don't demand them.
We don't think that our country is worth our own attention. We'd rather pay attention to American politics. The limited attention that we have for ourselves is just like, how do we look to Americans? And like, we don't want to look like we're following them into Trump. So we picked the guy who looks like the most Canadian brand. despite the fact that we'd already decided that we're going to make a different choice.
So fuck that. Like just out of like teenage spite, like you can't tell me, you can't make me, you know? And it's pure spite because The conservatives can't win in my writing. It's just a totally empty gesture. It's like a teenager's like, fuck you. You know, that, that. for hair jumping in here. I would say, though, it's not even like Mark Carney is like the most Canadian. It's kind of like...
Have you ever had a friend be in like horrible relationship after horrible relationship and then they're single, they're out in the streets and they're just like, it's too cold out here. I'm going back to what I know. We can't change anything up because we might become America 2.0 or whatever.
Berea, you're drinking the conservative Kool-Aid. They had an ad about this. They had Andrew Scheer run the ad about this. You guys aren't texting again, are you? I thought this was over, man. I mean, you said you were out. You were telling me. how terrible the last 10 years were. I mean, sometimes they're right. Sometimes they're right. I'm like, I mean, but Pierre also, like two things can be true.
He does have a horrible personality. I think we've, like, talked about this a lot, but, like, he's just, like, a little loser, you know? And Carney is, too. But I think Carney is not trying to prove that he's cool. Probably I was, like, kind of comically.
unlikable, unpleasant personality. And we've seen him go through puberty. Like he dropped the glasses. Now he's trying to stand taller, roll up his sleeves. Am I alone here? Does anybody dare say anything else about why they might vote conservative or shall we move on? Nora, do you have anything to add to this part of the show before we move on? No comment. No, I'm joking. I will say this. I remember watching the debate.
like recently, and there was a moment where Pierre Polyev looked directly at the camera and was like, I'm speaking to young people. Let me start by talking to the young people of the nation and those who are aspiring to homeownership. You could buy an average house for $450,000. But in the last lost liberal decade, housing costs have doubled, rising faster than in any country in the G7. And so now our youth cannot afford a home and our seniors are worried.
And I thought it was this like really profound and very strong moment for him because... I feel like young people don't really give a damn about the tariffs the way that like a 60-year-old person would. That moment for him was really strong. like dedicated focus on housing and affordability, I think is something that speaks to a lot of young people.
There is something really interesting happening in the polling that young people are leaning towards Polyev in numbers. And we're talking men and women, though predominantly men, young men. Great points. He spoke to young people and they heard him. They are polling for him. 100%. And if he loses, maybe when he loses, it will be boomers trumping the young vote. And I wonder what that means for like down the road, how this country is going to turn politically.
You know, I think that when we discuss things, it's like... Again, we try to make it a principle of like the liberal approach to housing of like, oh, the government should build the housing and then there can be controls to make sure the right people get the housing versus the conservative principle of housing that should be market driven. But the actual reality is not just a war of two principles. It's a war of two realities. I don't know that the conservative approach is better.
Totally. But the liberal approach has been tried and we haven't gotten anywhere. So what I felt at that part of the debate, I thought he wins this part of the debate. He's convincing me more. I'm ready to try something different with housing. I felt that.
The problem with the focus on young voters is that a lot of young voters don't come out to vote on Election Day and they don't show up to the advanced polls. So, you know, maybe his strong commitment to young people is like really strong and powerful. It's been a losing strategy focusing on young people. Like traditionally in Canadian politics, it doesn't win you elections. I'm not sure if...
talking to young people directly will get them their votes. But I think talking to young people appeals to older people who are like... I'm thinking about my kids. I'm thinking about my grandkids, that kind of.
future-oriented thing. I would hope so. I think, like, older people really do think about that stuff. Yeah, I had one listener write in saying, like, I'm into these policies because, like, I got to get my kids out of my house. Yeah, and especially a lot of older folks are really panicked about, like...
The price differences of just even housing or education from when they were younger to now for their kids. I think we got to move on. And I think I'll start us off here in explaining hypothetically. why I, Jesse Brown, would vote liberal. I do it for the money. This is a surprise to me because... And I promise to be totally honest about the real machinations of voting here.
I thought that Pierre Polyev was the guy who hates government subsidies for media. And for my financial interest, as a matter of principle, Canada Land does not take government subsidies. Just don't know how you can circle that square. I don't know how you can... rely on government for money and still cover them and claim to be independent. I took that position early and now we're leaving like six figures on the table every year because of that. But the competitors get it.
Right. I would have thought that Paulie would have been like for the Canada land business would be a good call because like, OK, he's going to get rid of all the subsidies for the media. He's not. I think it's because he's gone so hard on the defund CBC thing that like he can't come into power and like just destroy the entire media. Right. So he's actually going to increase the media subsidies, which we don't take.
So he's going to give our competitors more money. And I don't want that kind of money. Meanwhile, the kind of money we do take, I was not into Bill C-18, which forces Google to pay media a forced license. I think it's a stupid policy, but I have way less of a problem taking a licensing fee money from Google than I ever had with taking government.
Right. So we do take money from C-18, even though I don't like the policy. And that's the one that Polyev wants to kill. So he wants to give my competitors more money. and take away money from us. So in a purely like, I'm just looking at the bills here, it does not make sense for me to vote conservative as a business owner, right? So I would vote liberal for the money. Will anybody here make the hypothetical case?
for voting Liberal. Yeah, this is Julian. You know, my family ties are in Nova Scotia and seeing the way healthcare is in, especially in that part of the province and... especially after I just lived in the U.S. for a few years and seeing the vast differences in health care systems.
You know, if I were to vote liberal, it would be because I find their healthcare part of their platform pretty comprehensive. That would be the main draw for me. Let me just jump in here. It's James. To answer the question why I would vote liberal.
is, you know, driving around town, I have like a informal... pole happening in the backseat my son who's seven is like constantly counting the signs and telling me like how many red signs there are versus blue versus green versus orange he gives me like a running count When he travels to different towns, he's like, I saw 11 reds and seven blues in Coburn.
You know, it kind of comes down to that. Like if I want my vote to make a difference in this election in my town, there's a lot of red signs. And then the next step are blue signs. And then after that, there's green signs and finally orange signs. You know, having children now, I think of politics just in terms of like basic colors. But if I want my vote to have like maximum impact and. Voting for one of those primary colors, lack of a better term, would be why I would do it.
Farhea here. Similar to you talking about the Conservative Party. If I were to vote liberal, it would be out of spite to the NDP party because I'm so unbelievably annoyed and exhausted and just like disgusted, honestly, especially because. Things are getting progressively worse just in terms of like livability. And, you know, these like high-powered politicians, even though, you know, they're the minority minority.
Like they still have power and they're just like, oh, I can't do anything. Can you help me? I don't know what you're talking about. Jagmeet Singh sat right here in the studio where you are. And he said, I'm running for prime minister. Came in here with his banana bread and a dream, you know? Like, really? I can think of one more reason to vote liberal. I can also think of one more. All right, you go first.
If you believe in strong journalism and media, that's why you'd vote liberal, because they're not planning to defund the CBC. And what are they asking for in return for giving the CBC more money than they've ever had? There's some vague language in there about strengthening local news that even the Liberals had, the heritage minister had a plan to like...
make them stop competing with private media. And now that's gone. So they're going to give the CBC more money. And I don't think it comes with any like hard. Even the CBC's biggest fans, I think, are saying now that the CBC has never been worse, never been less relevant. And it really...
Sorry, I got the better of myself there. This is why we might vote for them. OK, I hear you. I hear you. Look, you can criticize the CBC all you want. And I do my fair share of that every evening when I tune into the CBC. But if the alternative is defunding it and gutting our media, then yeah, I would see that. Absolutely. Give them more money and then to make them whole for turning the ads off. public broadcaster or private, like just stop being both. That's it. Like I, yeah. So anyhow.
whack with my own premise here again. For anyone who's not visually seeing the way Jesse Brown is moving and squirming in his chair. You think that that's going to make journalism better? You're going to make more Murdoch mystery shit. Oh my god, I love Murdoch mystery.
I'm in my conservative bag because I'm like, defund the CBC. I don't give a fuck. Like, honestly, what are they doing? What are they doing? Oh, I can't wait for more true crime podcasts about other countries or shows about pop culture. really, really bad narrative shows. Tristan here. I got to push back a little bit, Jessie. Thank you, Tristan. What other Canadian TV producer is putting out Schitt's Creek? Is putting out Kim's convenience. Like when were those shows canceled?
Well, there's actually a new CBC show called North of North and it's really fucking good. I mean, it's like a tad cringy. It's a tad cringy, but I watched it all. But like, it's okay. Everything at the CBC is cringy. All right, this is my fault. I derailed it and not everything has to end in CBC. Okay, so I should have just let Norse say her thing and not respond.
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It's because I live in Chrystia Freeland's writing. Wait, that would make me not... Oh, really? Yeah, that was a plot twist. May I expand? Please. The Ballad of Chrystia Freeland. She saved all of their ass. They were headed down the toilet. Justin Trudeau was gonna run. He wasn't listening to reason from anyone. And she was the only person who could throw the ring into the Mordor volcano or whatever. Only she had the power. And at the exact right moment.
She forced him out, completely reversing course, saving all of their jobs. And they gave her a standing ovation. And then they said, get to the back of the bus. Why? Why can't I be the leader? Well, we need somebody who can negotiate with Trump. Motherfuckers! Is there anyone else in this country who has successfully negotiated with Trump but Christie or Freeland? It is sexist.
and we just breezed right past it. I thought she was a gangster in the way she maneuvered that and then her leadership bid and i know why they didn't go for her i don't think that she would be winning if they went for her i understand that but that's just like saying yeah it's because everybody's like really sexist and that's the world we live in
And just sort of accepting that. And then this guy from nowhere just walks into the role. So totally emotionally, no self-interest involved. Would take some satisfaction in casting a vote for Christia Freeland after what happened. All right, why might anyone? Hypothetically. Vote NDP. Julian, why would you vote NDP if you were to vote NDP?
I love Jagmeet Singh. You do? Yeah. You don't hear that much. Please tell us why. One of my first jobs at CTV when I was starting in media, I was a teleprompter operator. And it was kind of a hard job, but it came with a lot of downtime. During that downtime, one of my responsibilities would be to greet interview guests and bring them into the green room, get them water and spend some time with them and keep them company while they're waiting to go on the six o'clock news.
And I spent like a good hour with Jagmeet Singh one time, and he was just the nicest guy ever. I was studying journalism part-time at the time, and he was going through my school books with me, and we were chatting about stuff, and he just really made a great first impression on me.
And yeah, I understand that's not like a logical reason to vote for somebody, but definitely it made an emotional impact. And I did vote for him after that. No shit. To think that these things are not major factors. Why do you think they shake so many hands?
And not to be cynical, that sounds like way beyond, above and beyond the call of duty there. And he might just be a good dude. But that's how Robbie and Doug Ford built the Ford political dynasty. Like, if you have enough people who are like... I met that guy. Like, it seems like it's a real person to me who treated me with respect. Like, it really does make a difference. Anybody else care to mount a defense for voting NDP?
I could. I would say, I think. Come on. So my friend you're talking about here. I could say something. Noor? It's a complete, like this will derail the conversation. Do it. Well, I think I know where we're going. I think I can see the map. There's a little plane and it's leaving North America. Where's the plane going? Middle East. I hate you, Jesse. Yeah, I think the only reason, not the only reason, but I think Jagmeet Singh has been the only one with a spine on the Palestine issue.
Very powerful, whether or not you disagree with what he said just on that debate. stage, just like absolutely strong fervor. Your treatment of Palestinians has been frankly disgusting. Your treatment of people who provide care and service for people in Gaza has been disgusting. On top of that...
People in Israel and in Palestine deserve to live in peace and security. And Mr. Carney, to date, you've not acknowledged that what's going on in Gaza has now clearly become a genocide. It's important to call things out as they are, and you've not done that.
I was like, okay, here's the passion. There's something fierce here that I haven't seen from him. I think that's totally valid. A lot of people wanted the NDP to be stronger or bigger and scratch that itch for you. And there's a lot of people who that is their number one issue. That's a reason why people who are going to vote NDP, why a lot of them will. Anybody else? Yes, James. There is a reason why at least four of us on this call might choose NDP.
And that's something we haven't mentioned before, which often gets associated with the NDP, is the fact that we're all in the union. My labor affiliation, sometimes that does determine your political affiliation.
And quite wisely, that is how labor asserts itself and stops labor rights from being disassembled is people, their union would say, this is what we're going for. This is who's going to back us up. And then you vote as a block. That's been effective for people. Right. Here's why I would vote for the end. It would actually be the most strategic, just calculated, logical thing for me to do. It would be a decision not based on emotion or greed. It would be practical.
Because they're the only party, they're not really competitive in my writing, but they came in second last time. The most maximum expression of strategic voting that I could make, any other choice, if I didn't want the liberals to form like a majority. would be to vote for the NDP. And the reason why I would do that is because, like, they're, like, facing just complete annihilation. And the menu of options we have, like, this is major to have the NDP lose official party status.
It's just like diminishing what's on the menu in Canada dramatically. And... To the extent that having a wider range of policy options and pressure the ability to form government with, okay, if there's pharmacare, dental care, those are arguably very good policies that we should have, but even just to have. more options in the vast rainbow of Canadian political choices and not revert to some like really bad two-party system, that would probably be the most strategic choice.
Before I say anything, who is your NDP candidate? I don't know. Why would I know that? Why would I need to know that? How do you know? What? Have you voted?
No. Okay. I mean, Christian Phelan's going to win. It wouldn't even matter who they are. Maybe it's time to look into who they are. Oh, I have to pretend that I'm the informed voter. Okay. But in this hypothetical... where I vote NDP, it would be with a great deal of shame, like a great deal of shame, like holding my nose and swallowing my puke.
Just out of the hypocrisy, is this not the social justice party? Is this not the anti-racism party? And I don't care about the controversy over which metrics we go by, because by any metric... We have seen disgusting racism over the past two years. The police have thwarted multiple mass casualty attempts against a very small racial minority that I happen to belong to.
And businesses are getting firebombed and vandalized and places of worship. And if there is anybody who had the moral authority to... state unequivocally in a way that would be heard by the right people. Go ahead and protest whatever foreign politics. You are Canadian. You are free to do this. Be as loud as you want. Be as forthright as you want.
This is a explosion of racism that is completely contrary to Canadian values, certainly the NDP's values. And here's where the line is and here's where it's crossed. And here's how to be absolutely outspoken in your politics without.
coming at the expense of like the daily safety of like less than 1% of Canadians. I'm sorry, I'm on my high horse here, but like, I know that there are a lot of people, I will never try to claim to speak for every Jew in Canada, but there's a lot of people like who will never. Never forget that when this happened, to the extent that it's happening, the NDP couldn't murmur like nothing but a few tweets here and there.
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What's the hypothetical justification? Julian? No, I consider not voting every election. I'm always super tempted not to vote just because A, it's easier, and B, technically the one vote would not make a difference.
And I hate to admit that, but it's true, though, because like how many Canadian elections do you know that are decided by one single vote? But if everybody thinks that, then nobody votes. I know. I'm not advocating for not voting. I'm just saying like my individual vote, like we could technically do.
without it see you're the young people that we talked about at the beginning of this episode where we're saying yeah you can court the young vote but they just don't vote that's exactly what you're describing Like we mentioned earlier, there's one person on this panel who is not going to vote today, and it's because they legally can't. As we conclude this experiment today, and a lot of people, like thousands of people listening to this can still head to the polls and do what you cannot.
What do you have to say to them hypothetically? Hypothetically? No. I don't know. You should vote. Like, I have never, ever, ever had the chance to Maybe I'm a weird person who is always like, oh, I wish I could vote. Can you explain that in terms of personal biography? Why have you never had the chance to vote? I've never had the chance to vote because I grew up in Qatar and there's a king. I don't vote for the king. I'm not a citizen. And then in Lebanon, it's a democracy, but...
We're not particularly good with elections. It's a demise. Yeah. It's getting better. It's getting much better. There are periods of times where we don't have a president for like two fucking years, which is embarrassing, which is crazy, but it happens. I haven't voted because I turned 18 and there was one Lebanese election that happened and I was here and I...
I couldn't vote. Like I showed up and they were like, you have to register. And there was just a whole lot of complications. I've never voted. There are so many people on this earth who can't ever vote, will never vote, because they live in places that will never grant them the privilege or the opportunity to have a say in the world that they live in.
And I feel like people here really take it for granted, like very, very much. Honestly, like I feel my voice shaking because I get so emotional talking about it just because I want to vote so bad. And I feel like. hearing people around me feeling so dissatisfied with their lives, and it's like you have one thing, one lever you can pull, and you just don't.
Not only because I want to vote, but because my life as a non-voter is decided by the people who do vote, right? As an immigrant, I have no say over anything that happens here. Am I still affected by horrible housing prices? Yeah Am I still affected by daily changes to the immigration system? Yeah
Like, I still am affected by so many of these things. Even if you're not voting for yourself, you're voting for the people who can't in this country, but also for the people across this globe who will never have the chance to. who dream of voting. And one of those people is me. Damn. I feel like a dick now. Yeah. It only took like half a cry to get you there. Yeah. I'm sorry. People throughout history... will and have and are willing to fight and die for that little grain of self-determination.
I think you have to have some relationship with what it is to not have that. Yeah. To feel the way that what you just expressed. And I think actually the Canadians are getting a little taste of that because. The wind that is influencing all of this and my outrage at the beginning is just like... It's not even like an American who can say, well, I didn't vote for Trump. Like that was something that happened completely outside of.
You know, anything that I have any rights or any kind of say in, I couldn't, you can't do anything about it here except live under those terms. And the powerlessness of... feels dehumanized. Yeah. Right. Like we're getting a little taste. So that cynicism that people express is like.
they don't know what sin is like to actually live where you're dancing to a tune that you just have nothing to do with you can't set it you just have to eat what's served to you uh and then to actually compare that to a place where In our flawed way, you do get to make a selection and say, oh, fuck that. What's the difference?
Totally. Julian, you should be so... No. No, don't shame him anymore. Well, I did vote. To be fair, I've never missed an election. It's the new guy, too. It's just bullying. I'm sorry. I know. I'm a victim. All right. I hate when journalists turn into these like school teachers and end by saying, go vote. But I don't know. Go vote anyhow.
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