And welcome back to Life MMA and the NBA. I'm your host, DJ san Marco. As I said, it is a huge night on the show because we have somebody very special coming on. Somebody that is somebody I would call the Tom Brady of reality TV and docuseries analysis. I think that's a fitty, pretty fair characterization. Wow, she is none other than Welcome back to another episode of Reality Life. Kay, Casey, hoped you had a
great week. So party people, please put your hane for Westchester, PA's own Oh boy, Hey Casey, can I just tell you When I hear it's raining men, its it fires me up in a way I can't even explain. I've been performing that at every wedding for approximately twenty years. Maybe it's like people just look for they start the music and I could be in the corner and then it's like a spotlight is on me, and then like someone will just hand me a microphone. I've destroyed weddings, I've enhanced the
wedding. It's been varied with that song. And so my birthday one year, my husband threw me a surprise party that wasn't a surprise. I showed up in a costume. He threw me a party, but he had this eighties band com and they never let anybody perform with them, and they let me sing that with them, and it was like a high achievement. And then that band went on to win the Gong Show. What oh what band is it? Is it? Do they wear the suits? The yeah?
Yeah yeah no. They were like meatball huggers with afros and tank tops and they're called flash pans. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes yes. And then then they came back a year later and played at my husband's Christmas party for his company, and it was like Mercury's Rise In. And then it was like they just leaned forward and handed me the microphone and I and I didn't know I was pregnant either, and I was wasted. Let me just tell you it was a night of dreams. I love it.
I love it, man. You know. I always said if I could have an all Jewish band in high school, I would have called it a flock of bagels. But love that I would like a band. And I like to call it visceral Taco. What that is awesome? You're gonna tell me there's not a band in the San fernand No Valley. You name that No, that is crazy man. Welcome to Kate Reality Life with Kate Casey's host, the Amazing Kate Casey. It's such an honor to have you,
Kate, and thank you. And so I didn't know you were a performer, like you're willing to so sober you would do this? Yeah, yea yea. I have had many people in my day they say this, are you or in cocaine? I'm like, I've actually never gotten done and drag in my life and they're like that is. There was one night where my friends invited me to a military ball. I'm invited to a lot of parties that I crash. I have crashed Saint Joacom's Catholic school party. Next thing
I know, Sister Kathleen's asking me to announce the Rafael winners. Like I just show up. You don't know these and people are like do your kids
go to school here? And I'm like, no, they don't. I don't know how this happened, but I got invited to a military ball in San Diego and I call it the Night of the Unfortunate Karaoke Incident because the band and let me sing with them and I did this sort of karate kick off the seat and I landed and then I couldn't get back up nice and I had a black and blue angle for quite some time for it, but
it was worth it. Oh my god, joy and entertainment. I do like you bring up a good point because I do feel like I live in two different vortex where I'm like, I can be so serious about something, but people should know that I'm ridiculous, Like I am ridiculous, like I will do the craziest stuff. Yeah. I had a whole series of photos for a long time where I would imitate celebrity photos and put their outfits on
like mimic like Kim Kardashian's offits. But then I was a bummer because then I found out this Australian group comedian nymed Celeste Barber was doing them too, but she went viral and I didn't, So then people would troll me and say like you're or like ripping hers off. But I actually did it before her, but she went viral. I did it, so now I'm like, I'm not gonna do it anymore. But I am ridiculous. I know
people think I'm super serious. I'm actually not to the extent that you would appear in a podcast with a host that has a tie die dress shirt exactly. I was accused by Will of raiding Bill Walton's closet, which I didn't I and they wouldn't even fit me even if I did Bill, But I would go See The Dead with him or Crosby Stills, Nash or anything like that. But yeah, so this is really interesting because I would have had no idea that you were a performer that you would stand up in front of
because I dream of doing that. I did stand up comedy for a little bit too. You did. Yeah, I would perform with Heather McDonald. Oh my god, I weird. I I tell people I'm missing a chip in my head where like I don't care about speaking, Like I'm so ready at all times to public speak, like to the point where I would go to church and I'd be like judging the priest. I'm like, I'm better than that. I'm like I can do that. Like this blows. I
gotta blow this taco stand. So when I was in college, Trinity University's own it's actually Trinity Trinity College's own, the Trinity College, and I was asked to speak at the Democratic Caucus. I'm like twenty years old, okay, And so that's when all the Democratic congressman and senators meet on stage and they talk about there. So I'm on c SPAN. Sam Donaldson's in the back of the room and I'm one of the speakers and I went up.
My mom almost shit her pants because I'm next to Senator Kennedy, Oh my god, Rockefeller. Now Nancy Pelosi, who went to my college. She's over on the other side, and so is Barbara Kennelly, who was also Trinity grad and was a congressman from Connecticut. So anyway, I go up and I give my speech. And I walked up like I own. I was like, what's up? And I remember I opened up the joke. I said, I called my teach professor this morning. You told her,
I went, why I wouldn't be in class. I gotta tell you. I think she thought I was lying. So you guys, and I said, you guys had to back me up. And then like everyone laughed, and my mom was like, you just killed a Democratic Caucus. Like what? Anyway, long story short is if there is an audience like I'm there. I was actually watching the news tonight and was watching the impeachment trough and I was judging them. I was judging them. I was like, performance
is this ship? I could have? Like Nit, I could have killed it anyway, Kate, I going way off topic. You guys are no, No, this is this is where we wanted to go. I'm not saying I'm like, I'm like, I'm not being braggadocious. I'm just saying this. I know my lane. I can't build a piece of furniture to save my life. I can't do it on the patients. I don't want to do it. I don't want to sit and play barbies. It's not my alley. I know where my lane is. And that's all I'm saying
public speaking. Kate is she's she's blonde in Caucasian and I'm Chinese, Mexican and not blonde. But we may have been separated at birth with some of these things. Nick, Nick, are you ready right now to vote for Kate for literally any office? Can you? By the way, can you believe I went to college and I actually thought i'd run for office. My husband, yes, he's like, you would be the worst politician because you
would have no filter. I'm like, I disagree. I feel like I could read it in when I need to, but I would do the SmackDown in a way that other people I wouldn't be as nice, Like, listen, I'm glad my kids are not on this call because I got to tell you. They would tell you a different story. They'd be like, my mo so fricking mean, and I am I am. But there was a time where I thought, God, I would just be like killing it in
like a senator position, like senatorial position or like president. But then I was like, my parents are so weird that would not probably work out. Oh, the story of your dad was I was debating whether or not to bring that up because Kate on her podcast was talking about Alec Balden's wife had decided that she's from Spain, and so Kate related the story about her dad. Would you be willing to share that story because it was so funny.
So my father's name is Paul William of Paul. He's been Paul his whole life. Well, I didn't see him from the time I was very little, like I maybe saw him two times from the time I was born until I was like and then I didn't see him until my sister tracked him down when I was thirty three years old. So my sister's like found him, nailed it, let's go meet him. I'm like, I don't know about this, but she convinced me to go to Philadelphia and it was a shit
show of up proportions. He looked like the unifomer and he's the kicker is he has now reinvented himself as Liam, because remember his name is William Paul. But now he's really like very he feels very proud of his Irish ancestry. So my grandmother's family was from England, my dad's is from Ireland. But like generations ago, this dude is now going by Liam and surprised to us he has an Irish accent and we were like kitty and he's like he
takes us to the library. He throws out all these photos and he's like showing us all these pictures of Ireland. I'm like, where am I and all these pictures. He did not have any pictures of me at all at all. He was like thought that was normal, which now in hindsight, I'm like, because I did an episode where I interviewed him for about an hour and people wrote me back they're like, I think your dad's on a spectrum. I'm like that, actually that makes a lot of sense because he
doesn't understand social cues. Like we talked for a half hour or no, like an hour, and I said, do you are you interested in knowing anything about me? Like where I went to school, what I studied, what I like to eat, And he's like uh huh, but then never ask any questions. So anyway, that could be point. But anyway, long story short is he now goes by the name Liam. And so my husband finally meets him and he's telling me stories and my sister was married at
the time. My brother in law's like this, dude's crazy. I'm like, yeah, buckle up, buddy. Okay. So he's over there with my husband, who is my husband's like the nicest person that walk here. So he's looking at a computer and he's explaining to him that he was involved
with the Irish peace process and that he was in it. Oh no, and then he said, let me play this for you, and then he puts in because this is back in the day where you can actually put a disc in your computer, and he starts playing this dot He's like, well, this is a documentary about the Irish peace process. And then I hear the voice of Bono Bono is narrating this documentary. And then my father says, you can hear his voice and he's talking about being in a tower when
it was bombed. I'm like, this, dude, it's fine in a freaking documentary. So I said, you were were you actually in the tower? And then Dan says were you in the tower? And he winks at him. He goes, it's just Hollywood. No, it's a documentary. He's a documentary, documents pieces of history. It's just like it's like non stop with him, and I'm like, oh my god. He tells people he went to boarding school in Galway. I said, you went to Radnor
Height or Great Valley High School in Melbourne, Pennsylvania. Because it's a track picture. Okay, so I just it's not true, kid, It's not true. I tell you it's I mean, I couldn't he like leaves me the voicemailst constantly in this with this Irish brogue, and it's just like at this point, like whatever, I love it. Can I There's one other story that I don't know if I was going to squeeze this into the housewives conversation. So I want to just get it out there now, because I
was nearly crying when Kate described this. Basically, she describes being in a restaurant. I don't know if it was in Newport or not. And one of the new housewives from r HOC was I believe it was miss miss uh I can't remember her name now, Elizabeth Vargas right, And supposedly she's working the room and you're describing how she's working the room like she's sort of a Hollywood star and she hasn't even appeared on film yet. Uh and that,
uh, you know what. But it reminded me of Megan Sylvester and Meghan Gardner in college, how they would walk into the Irish Times and they would do this trick and it was such a killer trick. I really recommend this to all single people. They would walk into the Irish Times and they would go watch this and they would go in and just pretend that they were like waving up and they're like, dudes, love this, Dudes love it.
They think that we're like so hot, and they were right because they've been like they walking they'd be like to nobody, no one, But then guys were like, oh my god, these girls are cool. It reminded me of that. It was because she was like, hey, what's up, what's up? And no one was like everyone was like who is she?
Like, I don't know, So it was pretty funny. But the tie in, remember the tie in about her in the tech industry and your husband's company, so we that's that's that was the real kicker, So please, Well, I think it just kind of encapsulates the delusion of most of the women that are participatory in these shows. They're cast for this reason. Is that I'm talking to this sweet guy that Dan works, that works for Dan, and he's just couldn't be nicer, and he's just talking about I've got
a girlfriend. I will tell me about your girlfriend's telling me a little bit like are you guys gonna have kids? No, we're no, no, no, no, we're not gonna have kids. We're not gonna have kids. And then in she walks and she's like doing this thing, and then he goes, oh, that's my girlfriend. And I knew that she was the new one. I went, oh my god. So she just came over and she just didn't ask us any questions. She just was in performance mode. So she's like, well, I've arrived. I've arrived. I
arrived, and so I'm in the tech industry, you know. I'm like what so? And then so her boyfriend says, this is Dan. I worked for Dan. And I think she thought he meant like, you know, head of the department or something, and she's like, well, he looked Jimmy and I are very very involved in technology. Our careers are very very like technology and like going on and on and on. And I was like who your audience? Man, like what away? And we were like
what just happened? And we just sat at the at our at our table, and we're like googling. We're like looking this person up. Dan's like what is she talking? It was just like I said to him, this is what I deal with all the time. I interview people, and I'm like what what. It's just like there's there's a missing chip to them where they don't really like ask and you know, they don't ask you any information,
so you're it's like there's no receiving on their end. It's just transmitting only it's like a one sided conversation and you're just left like it's a real life Instagram post. It would be like me like being introduced to Dak Shepherd and I was like, well, you know, I am amongst the highest cheers podcast industry. He'd be like, yeah, dude, you're like not me. Or like Joe Rogan who just got like one hundred million dollars to go to Spotify. Yeah, oh, mister Rogan, I've never met you,
but I I'm a big star. So I was all right. So if you would just just a little bit a little bit about your your history. You do come from Westchester, PA, and you were you a field hockey player. I know you played. I played the ship out of this. I kind of feel like I was born to the wrong parents and this could be you know, maybe this is my own delusion, but I don't
think so. I believe and have believed that if I were born to Earlwoods, let's say that I would have been on tour of something, because I am a maniac. When I like, when I focus on something, I'm like, do not mess with me. I have that focus. But I've always loved sports, and as my mother will tell you, you used to play hockey, and I would wonder will she murder someone today. It's because like I would like go after the ball. I was vicious. I have
five kids. I've got one kid where I'm like, she's my people, like she'll take someone down. So yeah, I played field hockey and lacrosse, and then I played in college. I'm super into sports. And then I went to boarding school in Hershey, Pensylvania, school called the Milton Hershey School, which is a school for kids that come from the wrong side of
the door of opportunity. Milton Hershe and his wife couldn't have kids of their own, so they started as school for orphaned boys and then changed the deed of trust in nineteen seventy six to accept girls. All the kids that go there go for free, and you have to qualify. You have to be emotionally financially needy. So most of the kids I went to school with were orphaned or from single parent families, and it's a very diverse school, and
so I went there for high school. It was great, and then I went to college in DC for Polly sci and I worked in government and communications, and so my first job out of call college was working for a PR firm that represented former senators that had gone back to their law firms. So that's kind of how I fell into law firm PR, and so I did that for about fourteen years. At age twenty seven, I think I started my own firm, and I specialized in crisis media litigation and media strategy for
global law firms. So then I started to have kids and my husband's best friend said, you know, you really need to write because you're so funny and you like love all this pop culture stuff, but you do legal PR. It's very weird. So I started writing. I started having kids, and then so I started this blog that kind of took off, and I would do television recaps and then I was invited on podcasts to talk about housewives,
and then I thought I could do this. So I pitched an idea to a network, the idea of tracking down reality stars that have gone back or excuse me, tracking down reality stars to ask them, how did it
change the trajectory of your life? And so I kind of began with that, and I knew I wanted to structure each episode like a talk show, where there's a front, like a guest in the front, an opening, a guest in the featured guest and then a segment where I'm asking a rando to review a show, and then a close all with the hope that it was like a love letter to reality shows. Over time, that's changed to
include docuseries and documentaries because because I've always loved documentaries and docuseries. So it's you know, sort of expanded over the last four years. So you know, I was a girl who thought she would be a politician who got into legal pr I was a young woman working in a very misogynistic world but held my own and then I transitioned into comedy and writing and now podcasting, and I'm hoping that this experience will be a platform, and I know it is
to help me produce television shows. And because we're going to actually get to that now that the idea you came up with Real Housewives of OCU is now
actually going to happen. According to I was listening to Jess's show, Jess Roth, is it Rothschild's Child Rothschild, and she was mentioning that, Uh, I don't know if it was Andy or somebody said they are going to reboot Real Housewives of oc which is something that you suggested, and I concur uh, but you did actually make a detour, you actually got off the bus. You were at the White House, you worked and yeah in the
oh yeah that's right. Yeah, I was for the Cross Office. I went and did all the clips for the Oval Office and the executive team. When the Monica Lewinsky story broke. Oh yeah, I was there when Princess Diana died. And I remember the next morning like cutting the newspapers of all these papers, and it was like she's gone, you know, Diana's gone. It was like all over. That was before copy and paste. I had to go and I'm I'm not gonna say his last but his first name
was Dag Dag. He was my boss, and he hated me because I would cut the clips and then I would take them to him and he would say, you need to redo them because they're not perfectly straight. I was like, gotta be kidding me. President Clinton is like, let me just go through this, throw it away. He doesn't give a ship, right, But yeah, that was kind of a nutty time. That was super nutty. Yeah. I could see how like a position like that would kind
of slip your mind. I don't know if but anyway, well, I don't know because For me, it's not the big deal because I have so many friends that stayed in politics and they're so incredible that I feel like my dumb story to his care Like my high school classmate was the social secretary for President Obama? What have you done lately? Kate? Oh? I talked to somebody from The Bachelor, like, you're you're you know, you're you're so amazing that what you what you do that? I just these guys have
been they're probably sick of hearing me. Now they're like they're they're like totally on board, but they were probably sick of hearing your name. Am I right? Guys? I I was. I was talking to these two guys earlier and was saying, what is the show opening? I was saying, TJ has a top three list of wants on the podcast. Number one Lebron James, number two Casey. That's so nice. I'm actually I'm actually surprised that DJ is able to speak right now with how hil you think? That
is so nice? It wasn't hyperbole when I put that on Twitter, like that's for real. Yeah. He said you had a lot of He said you had a lot of diversity to your background but after hearing these stories is like, oh, that's that's no joke. That's more than what DJ led on. Yeah, I do feel like I could talk to anybody. I
could talk to anybody. I really do. I've just always been around a bunch of different kinds of people, and I think that as crazy as my parents are, they're very innately curious people and did a very good job of instilling in me the need to be curious. And I do that with my own kids. If they want to play date, I say, you got to come back and tell me two interesting things about their parents, because it's
a practice that a lot of people don't do. I mean, I just am fascinated when people come back, like tell me about the person you met and they don't know anything, Like you're an asshole, like wrong with you? Like I don't know. I'm like love a dinner party. I love a dinner party where I can just like And I guess one thing my kids don't like about me, well, one thing, let's get the list crazy.
One thing that they don't like is that I do really get sucked into people like I want someone to feel like they are the most interesting person in the world, and I know I've talked about it before, but the only person in the world that has this weird thing about memory and people and details that I've ever encountered or read about is Bill Clinton. Where it's like I have a conversation with someone and I all the details about that person go into
my brain and they never leave it. So I'm excited when I see somebody that I talked to three years ago in the grocery store and I'm asking them like did you ever get that job? And how's your aunt Edna? And like did your son make the soccer team? And people are like, you need to stop stalking me, Like I'm really not. I haven't seen you in three years, and I just thought you were really interesting. But inevitably
I get sucked into conversations and they're like, can we please go? And I'm like, how am I supposed to go when they just told me they have breast cancer? Sorry? Anyway, that is what's interesting about you, And it's because for me, a person that's interesting is somebody that is interested in many other things. Will will tell you Nick will tell you from being
around Jiu Jitsu academy from here to Cleveland and California and Florida. Is that a lot of guys that's all they do, Like that's like their only thing, you know, And that's great because that's how they're going to be great at it, and for me, I have to be. I'm into so many different things that I wouldn't even bother you with the list of things that I'm into. And that's what I find interesting about you is that you can have on people of all these different docuseries and please, guys, before I
go, don't let me forget to ask something. And I've tried to get adicated on Twitter, which is her favorite teams and favored athletes, So I want to make sure we get that before. You know. Who I'm so fascinated by, and I've said this on my show is I don't know why, but Lance Armstrong. Yeah. I just I could watch a documentary every day about him and not be bored. I just think his pathology, like
his everything is. So I'm endlessly fascinated by him. I really am, like what and now I'm kind of like I need I'm dreaming of the ability. I really would like to interview Michael Phelps. Definitely. I feel like he's fascinating. I mean, I don't. Tiger Woods is never gonna give me an interview, but God almighty, I just love deep diving on Tiger Woods. Oh, there's so many people. There's so many female athletes that are in sports that are not marquee sports that I would love. Sue Bird,
Sue Bird superb. She's like, what is she like forty forty one years old now? And I think, why doesn't she like MVP of the WNBA. I mean, she's absurdly skilled and talented still and she's She's like Brady, She's just so driven, you know. That's what I just I'm fascinated by someone's drive and what because of their drive, what other things suffered? So And I always feel like my goal is to ask the question that's never been asked, and that for me, that feels like pretty easy because
I feel like sports reporters ask the same stupid questions. But I think it's because I'm also interested in the people that surround them and the dynamics, and that lays into a lot of who they are in the decision making process. Now I'm going to interview Tom Brady. I want to know about his relationship with his sisters, now, Like how much does he lean on them because
he seems like so connected to his parents, but also his wife. I feel like she's so involved in so many decisions that he makes in terms of his health. His health is interesting too because he has such a different diet than he was had ten years ago, but he seems to be like more fit than ever. And also the coaches, I think the coaches are There's a great series on Netflix where they go behind the scenes of coaches and kind
of interview them. And I like shows like that because it says so much about the player anyway, something he might something you might be fascinated with. This one called The Two Bills. It was a thirty for thirty and it shows I think I know it. Yeah yeah. Bill Belichick basically the dean of all, I mean, the winningest coach of all time, and he sits down with Bill Parcells and he all of a sudden goes from clearly the greatest coach in the NFL to that guy was my boss, Like that guy
is the senior guy, not me in this room. And you can see that when you watch the two of them sit there and fidget, you know, in their in their chairs, and and it was really interesting to see Bill Belichick in that context because he is so great, but he comes from the from the Bill Parcells tree. So if you you know what's one of the most interesting things I learned from Shannon Furman, who's a producer of NFL
films, by the way, worked her way up. Great story. She was taking video of her brother at ice hockey games and one of the parents said, I know some of the works at NFL film She're really talented. Can I send the footage over? She got a job and worked her way up and is like a lead like lead executive there now. Anyway, I asked her, because she works on hard knocks, about the extraordinary scenes that she's been able to film. One in particular was with a football player who
had taken her to an AA meeting outside of it. Wow, And I just thought, I don't know who else would have been. How did you coax that out of them? And she said surprisingly that football players in the NFL prefer female crew because most of those players come from single parent families led by a single mother, so they trust the women producers more than they trust the men. And I was like, that makes a lot of sense.
That's interesting. So It's like those kind of things. I love finding out little nuggets like that they're willing to have have some vulnerability with a woman. They wouldn't happen if I was like, Hey, what's up there, honey, badger men, how you doing? Yeah, you know, like they wouldn't do that. So no, like it's the level like especially for she was for black athletes. Single mothers are so like put on a pedestal because
they're quite often the ones that raise them on their own. So the respect they actually have for the female producers is far surpasses the respect they have for men. And I just thought, I love that, super cool. I love that. That's awesome, super cool. I wanted to jump into the Housewives or the Bravo universe a little bit and your love of docuseries, and it's to me, there's a little bit of a weird incongruity, and I'm
starting to hear it come out of you a little bit. I heard it come out of you last season when you spoke about Potomac and you're like, how do they cast these women who geographically wouldn't even know each other, Like they're from like different ends of like you wouldn't know someone in Virginia, if you're from Baltimore wherever the the spread is, and I haven't watched the show,
so let me say that. And then now what you're expressing with rhoc and what you've talked about relative to Salt Lake City, that we have a cast member in Jen who's already got all these different handlers and people to make her up and all this sort of thing. But yet you love reality. And the problem that I'm having DJ in watching these reality shows is I don't see what I loved about the Real World. I don't see what I love about the challenge. I don't see what I love about below deck. I
see what that young lady told you from Southern Charm last week? Forgive me? Can you repeat her name? Cameron? You Banks, Wimberley Cameron, Yes, that who was on Real World San Diego, And she said, oh, you asked her, what's the difference between the Real World and Brava. She goes, oh, well, they just turned the cameras on and we just did our thing and they filmed it. Here. I have producers
telling me and they're setting things up and they're making snail. So how is it that how do you find that balance where you love conceivably maybe you love it less, maybe you love it the same reality TV and these real life docuseries that absolutely seem to fascinate you. Well, I think I love it a lot less, and I think a lot of people do. I don't really think I'm alone in that. I think that the show has been on
too long. I do, and I think that there are moments where there are people on different franchises that are incredibly vulnerable and authentic and are compelling, and I stay tuned because of those women. But as a general rule,
I just think that it's a stale It's a stale kind of premise. I like the first season of Orange County, where it's the classes a Missue, where you have Vicky who is at home in her home office and she's the boss and Laurie's behind her, and Slory clearly doesn't have a college education.
She's got in a divorce and she's just trying to pay some bills, but Vicky hangs out over her, and then towards the end of the season, Laurie meets somebody who's really wealthy, and then the dynamics and the office change. Now Vicky feels like dog shit because Laurie's new boyfriend drops off of Mercedes with a bow on top, and you're like, ain't that some shit?
You know? Like that to me was like wow, because that is like a snapshot into suburban America where somebody could have a divorce and then next year could flip on. And conversely, Vicky could be killing it in insurance and then something happens and then she's, you know, not making much money and
she has this come to Jesus conversation. So I loved that, and I think that there's a lot of that missing because it's so formulaic that women that are cast know what to expect and they go in with this business agenda or maybe I shouldn't say that, but they with this idea that they're going to join the show and they're going to be huge stars on Instagram and sell like you know whatever, mini skirts or something, and it's like, No,
I wanted to see you just live your life. I want to be a boyer looking at you and how you manage all the aspects of your family. I don't want to see your infomercial on you know, QBC, because that's not what the show's about. It's supposed to be about real people living, so that's I'm always troubled by that too. And then I feel like I'm complicit in them all becoming monsters because like Jen Shock, the show hasn't even aired, She's like, I got a squad. I'm like, I don't
even know who you are, Like what? So I do tend to I think, you know once I saw And also a lot of the problem was the access that I was getting, Like well, I mean I think in the beginning when I had my show, people were like, what's the podcast
or and whatever? Talk to them, and then they were like, well, you're getting information out of these people that we don't necessarily want to get out or we would rather somebody else get it, or we would want it to be an US magazine or on Entertainment Tonight and not on a podcast. So then I got kind of cut off for a long time. So a big part of it is my disinterest and more interested in more authentic, gritty,
interesting stories. But also it was a matter of like, I have to expand my show because I can't call the people at ABC and get the next Bachelor contestant because they're going to go to The Bachelor podcast. So it was a way of pivoting in business. But I feel like I'm in a good place now where it's starting to pay off. But I have to tell you, for a long long time, I mean I would just every night just be like, God, what like is how am I going to reach
a new audience? How am I going to reach people? Honest to God, If somebody comes up to me on the street and like, hey, I just caught your last episode, I'm like you did, And I'm almost like a loser because people are like okay, okay, like bye, I'm like, no, no, no, you want to hang out, Yeah, let's hang out, like on your Instagram, let's keep you And you're like, I just listen to your show. I feel like in life, I always feel like I'm at the bottom of a mountain, and perhaps that's
been part of my success. I read this Harvard Business Review article I'm going to say it was like twelve years ago, and it said that your business acumen is directly tied to your relationship with your father. And so they said in my category, which was an abandoned, abandoned thought like a father that abandons you, that you're always working at maximum capacity because you want to get the recognition that you'll ultimately never get. And so they put that in that
category of Lance Armstrong and Barack Obama and Bill Clinton. And that's probably why their stories I tend to like relate to them, because ultimately, my dad's never going to be like you are killing it, like you're crazy, like you're so great. So I think that people like myself, I think we're anagram threes where I just I'm like, I never feel like I've succeeded ever, ever, ever, My god, if you haven't succeeded, then I guess I don't know what success is. But uh I I was, I
was really taken. I was listening to Jess's show today and there was a gentleman on I believe called pet shop Boy, and I was, I'm really disturbed by this archetype. And what they said was you were talking about Ramona being at a party and that somebody had come and said something to Ramona and this gentleman who was on with Jess. And by the way, I love Jess Rothsield. So also I believe it's called hot takes and deep dives, and I like, I said, you guys are my triumvirate of reality TV.
I love you. But he said that he was very upset that Ramona didn't turn around and go and engage with this woman. She just said, Okay, I'm just gonna walk away kind of thing, and he wanted her to turn around, wheel around and make a show of it. And I personally don't find value in fake fights, fake arguments. It's because there's a
huge segment of the viewers now and that's the problem with the show. And I've had conversations privately with a lot of housewives that have said to me that the problem with being on a show now is that they feel like they have to be over the top in order to ensure themselves in a new season, because the viewers will create memes, the meme culture, and they're like boring. And for some of these people, this is the first job they ever
had, and they're drunk with fame. Maybe this is a paycheck that's part of that they are garnering that's going to help them with their divorce. They become too reliant on the show and what the show gives them, so they compromise their own values in order to be what lots of these viewers want and they totally lose themselves. And I like, I see at one of the housewives in Atlanta right now and it's just such a bummer. So well, yes, hey, one of Kate's five children, how are you? What
do you want? Okay, I'm an interview Yeah, and we'll let you go anyway at any moment. I think that I think that that's the problem, is that they're so stressed out all the time about being that like being a personality. They want to be a personality, and they're no longer a human right, And is it going to continue in this trend or do you think that Bravo will feel so? So if they if Andy reboots R H O C. As you suggested, will it be this the exact same archetypes
with different names and faces. Well, it has to change because our world is changing. So do they want five Vicki's no, they don't because she she doesn't really represent the modern woman anymore, I don't think. And I think that the network rightfully would love, especially in Orange County, to see younger and more diverse. Certainly, haven't we seen enough white women? I mean yes, and I'm a white woman. I'm sick of it too. I love diversity, and I want to I want to see different cultures I
want to see. I want to see women who are educated, who had previous professional careers. I feel like you can't have all housewives because it's like they're all living in the same they're all living in the same chapter. I want to see people that are in different chapters, like they're hesitant about giving up their career because they just started to have children. But I also want to see somebody who has had success in the second chapter, so they're in
a second career and they have children that are maybe in middle school. Because I think there's so much value in women communicating and sharing their life experience. I learned so much from other women, and I think that they've lost sight of that. I also know that more women want to see more stories that are uplifting. I want to feel inspired by people who have built a business
and not an image. They don't want to see people that have Instagram posts that are filtered and all of that, and they've got bots as you know, the followers. They want to see this is someone who started at the bottom, built something significant, and is a good person on the way up. Fights I really could do without all. It's not inspiring to see just people behaving badly for the sake of airtime to make sure that they that they get airtime, and the producers don't you would know, I don't know.
The producers are probably telling them, hey, you know, you better spice it up a little bit otherwise, you know, you only had seventeen minutes on camera last week. I feel like it differs because there's so many different production companies. I don't know. I feel like they're under tremendous pressure too, because they want to make great shows and they're they're filming so many hours
and they're trying to get some authenticity. And then the network. I've heard people say production people say, the network's saying or saying to us, get more out of her, like get more out of her personal story, and I'm like, I've tried, she's not willing to give it. Like what do you do when you have somebody I don't know, Like I'm just using as an example, not for any particular reason, but like a Ramona, she's not really somebody who's willing to be that vulnerable. Like those experiences are
pretty few and far between. So if you're saying a producer, you better get it out. That's maybe where people like kind of push them a little bit. But then sometimes in filming, and not just this isn't just about housewives. There's all these reality shows where the crew are tired. They had to set up, then they're filming, they have to take down and they know that they've got a film and they're like, hey, can you just confront her about so and so because I want to go home to my kids.
And then they're like lapdogs, are like okay, what do you want? Because they're all people pleasers in their own way, and they're like, okay, sure. And that's what Cameron was saying in the last interview is that the new people that kind of come on these shows, they're easily molded and they're willing to do whatever because they want to be stars on Instagram, right, so they're like fine, all fighter, like, whatever you want,
let's do it. Well. For my part, I hope that you do get your own production company and get to make a show, because I think we're I am working on I am working on one. So I will leave you with that. I'm with you. It's gonna be awesome. I'll be so excited and you know that you have well, you have three viewers sitting right here. Let's do a speed round, something that you like to do so we can get you out of here. Okay, So for the speed round, do you believe in UFOs? Now that the Navy has released
what let me preface, let me frame the question. The Navy released three videos, one encounter off of San Diego of a top actual former top gun pile of flyne off of the Nimets, and then you had two off of the USS Roosevelt and Jacksonville. Have you seen those videos? I have not, but I will tell you this. Okay, I lived in Virginia Beach, Virginia. I have a lot of very good friends in the military.
One of my friends is the first female top gun pilot. Okay, well, so I've known for years that They've always kind of explained that what's going on is that there are they have such advanced technology and transportation, if you will, that I think they're flying them and people are like, oh my god, I've never seen something like it. It's a UFO. It's just you have to understand that the government is producing things that are so forward.
The things that you see in the sky. They probably built like twenty five thirty years ago. The things they're building right now, I think people would be like, holy shitballs. All right, Well, I'll just tell you this. I have I don't know, maybe thirteen years of military aviator experience. But all that said, there is a top gun pilot who is an air wing commander on the Nimitz that says, I saw this do this that
defy the laws of physics. Okay, okay, so I will I will email you the three videos that were released by the Pentagon and then you can take a look at him and tell me what you think. And I've had so weird you say the Nemus, because when I lived in Virginia Beach, I knew people on the Nemets. Oh yeah, I mean they're all around. But it happened to be that the air wing that they were using at the time. So this, this video was two thousand and four. Uh
and uh. There was a couple of real stalwarts in the Pentagon's Advanced Aerial thread identification program that got three videos released. This was one of them. And I heard this guy interviewed on I don't know how many different shows and him saying him and also his co pilot was a female. She tells the excuse me, not co pilot wingman. His wingman was a female, and they tell the exact same story. So why don't you send it to me? Then I will. I will go to my friends, and then I
will report back to you. Yeah, and I'm also going to send you one that came out in Puerto Rico that I've shown to let's say, five or six different military aviators that I flew with, so probably over twenty thousand hours of flying and none of us can figure out what this is. And it's a very good video taken by Customs and Border Patrol. Did you this may be one of the worst rapid fire I know. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. By the way, did you guys watch Surviving Death on Netflix?
I was scared to Okay, so good. We'll watch episode six about Reincarnation, because there's this little boy, James, who was absolutely a World War Two pilot and his parents tell the story of how he would wake up in a nightmare all the time and recounted over time all these details about his time as a pilot. That his plane crashed during the Battle of the eo Jima. He named a person that was the plane with him. Yes, I saw it. I saw it. That's bananas it is. I'm actually I'm
going to interview that dad. Actually, that was totally nuts. There was the one who where the actor was his was his father? Yeah? That totally freaked me out. Or no, he was he was the reincarnation of the father. Coronation of the father. Yeah, it freaked me out. Yes, I did see that, So you guys should watch that. It's inexplicable. Final question for you, Kate, are you ready? But was
it? I got speed round? I got one question well because I didn't want to keep you more than an hour and it's ten sixteen, so all right, so let me get this one in top your top five favorite bands of the amazing Kate Casey, Oh, this is not a great question for me because I'm not a music person. Bands I don't know. I will tell you this. I like, I love eighties bands. They are they put the wind in my sales. I love a good motown. I don't really pay attention to music. I'm like, okay, sure whatever. I
but you're you're a performer, Kate. I know, but I'm like I don't. I don't deep that I'm digging Dolly Partner after that. Oh hell yeah, I watched She's amazing, But I don't. In my life, I've always been a fascinated by comedians, journalists and athletes. I did get and so your your favorite athletes, If you were to name the top three of those, can you give me three? Billy Jean King, Lance Armstrong And that's a tough one. Who's the third one? I'm fascinated by Lebron
right now? I'd like to say so, But although I have to say living in Newport Beach, I have a real soft spot in my heart for Kobe, and my whole family does. Like you know, that's really like I could cry thinking about it, you know, the day he died, because there's so many people in my town that died, so Kobe and I really admire what he what he did in his later years of life, and I know how what a fantastic dad he was, so I have great respect
for him too. But being that Lebron is still alive, there is a chance he could be on Real Life with Kate Casey. Oh my god, it would be so amazing, you know what, I was so bummed because I went to the park like two weeks ago and I ran into the girl and she said, you're not going to believe who was just here? Uh, And it was, Oh my god, what's his first name? One of the Lakers? Yeah, the tall tall tall Oh Anthony Davis. No, no, old old old Oh, Marc Gasol, No, not Dwight
Howe. Was it this year last season? No? Old old old oh. Dream I a brain fart, But I would love to interview him because he's sort of like a cultural anthropologist, and I would love to doubt him, and he lives close to me, and I kind of want to stalk him. I read his book, uh, and it's fast. His book called Giant Steps, and it was fascinating books. So yeah, I would
definitely occur. And I'd love to see you approach him, though, Kate, because I know some stories you very stand offish with people that he's just introduced to, people that he sees. I think I would say, listen. I don't mean to sound weird, but I feel like you and I are twin flames. And here's why. I love a great book and I love a great reality show, and I feel like you and I could sit
at a dinner party for hours and talk. I have been dying for you to come on my show, and I think at this point you and I both agree that we are probably should have been best friends at least for the last ten years. Oh my god, there's he'd be like, all right, and I say, I am supposed to be taking care of my children. But let's be honest right now, because I'm to you and to you to die, so you know, I really I want you guys to know
that I'm not just a Kate Casey fanboy. I'm a serious interviewer, as you can see by Oh my god, I love that gosh that I was saving for the joke. I mean, it's barely a love lebron k. Yes, it's so funny too. My kids are like, what because my friends from college and my family called me Katie Kate Casey like al Jean hashtag al Jean. Yeah, she's like Katie. It's like, I mean, I have like a saucepot in my heart. It's like, oh, they know, I've known me for so long, but can you imagine how hard
it was for me to have that dumb name. It's not Katie Katy Kasey Katy Ky like, what's your name? Katy, I'm like, oh, forget it, forget it. I demand that everybody on this show have a beer tonight in toast to Kate Casey this weekend that thank you, and I will have a nice cold, tall Irish beer, of course, in honor of your dad. Okay, Liam Liam, Yes, Liam would would have nothing less. It's such an honor to have you on, Kate. Thank you so much for saying that. And I want you to know how much
I appreciate that. And it's really it means a lot to me. I appreciate it. It's a it's a hard job, and and to just know that you you listen to the episodes and it's just really means a lot. I love him, and I hope that you'll come on again, because uh, you really again, kind of like Mandy, you took over the show and entertained the hell of us and we loved every second of it. So you know, these guys are like, thank god that nut bags out of here. No, oh my god, no, they they now know what
I'm talking about, don't you. Nick jiu jitsu, let's ju ju the ship out of it. Let me let you Nick is the dean of all of us here as far as belt levels go and skill level goes, Nick is uh is number one. I would say Will is number two and I'm number three. So generous. So when when my son was in Karate Master, you used to do this thing where he was trying to teach them don't talk to strangers. So we feel like, you don't talk to you see that guy, he's gonna come. He's gonna take you away. He's gonna
take you away from your family. And of course I I'm like made of steel. So I was like, yeah, you listened to him. You listen to him, and my son just goes, I don't want you to go away. Oh my god, should be Cobra Kai season four. Man. You know, I was like, oh my god, you're like your dad. Sh By the way, my son, he looks like George Bush. Is not weird? How did that happen? So funny? And I'm not complaining because he's a really cute dude guy, but that's really weird.
But you know, cop, by the way, I'm not a great parent because I said, I don't believe go ahead, Jack, we need to watch a Cobra Kai because this is my jam, like karate Kid, straight up, let's do it. And I was like all right, wacko, and he was totally into it. I would get pissed off because he'd watched the episodes without me, and I was like, I don't know, there's like a lot of cursing and stuff. I was like, he's gonna be fine. That's the real world, right right. It's like, you are
not a terrible mother. You are a wonderful mother. If you're sitting watching Cobra Kai with your kids, I think showing them the light because I watched so much TV as a child, and I feel like I can talk to anybody and I'm super cool. I'm not going to like murder anybody. I'm not going to commit a crime. I'm cool. So if they watch a lot of TV, they'll be fine. It will you are my mom? My mom used to let me watch General Hospital and there was a whole storyline
about Luke and Laura and how Luke raped Laura. But then they got married and you're like, I remember going to my mom like she was like, but it's a beautiful wedding. Luke at the cool Afro though he had the cool fron Man, I'll be fine. Oh my god, this is just like as good as I thought this was going to be. Guys, it was better. It was better. This went off the rails. No, you were like, Okay, this is I mean, just stupid stories.
This was amazing. And everybody from my sister in law I was teaching yoga tonight, they had to hear about you. The people who ran the gym had to hear about you. So you know, everybody's just tired of hearing about your name, But everybody is going to hear your name, particularly either when I message him this podcast or they're watching the show that you produce. So Kate Casey would be so great. Don't have any unfortunate yoga instances as
I had an unfortunate ye a karaoke incident. Oh, I'm probably gonna go in there tonight and get my ass kicked. I've been gone. I've been gone for work for a week or two. By the way, I wanted to mention to you about a studio in Newport Beach. Have you heard akam a k u M. No? No, why do I do I need a party with those cowboys? No? But I don't know. But the tea. There's a teacher there named Sam and Sam was my teacher back in Irvine when I lived in Irvine, when I lived by Will and actually all
three of us lived in SoCal about three years ago. But Sam is amazing and he's the one who drove a lot of things into me into yoga. So if you ever feel like going to class and you go to Akam, I recommend Sam. But he's he's tough, very he's an assy, he's he was going through PhD program at you see Irvine. He's like an Aussie or a Kiwi and he's very, very tough. So did he ever see Wild Wild Country about the officer? Oh god, that was before I left.
I left three years ago, so I didn't see that until I moved here. But that was wild Man plus the the Beakram Chowdry of ESPN thirty for thirty. It was like a three or four part series. Y that one was yeah, man six stuff. I mean, by the way, that guy in a diaper with what, I'm not massaging his feet right? This is why I would never be in a cult, because I would be the jerk that was like, you're in a diaper? What? Yeah? Like get away from me, I know, and you did your deep dive
on Nixium. Is is it nexium? Is that what's called on parallel? I believe that I am a scholar at this point. You killed it, man, you killed that thing. What I need you to listen to tomorrow's episode because I deep dive Britney Spears and I'm like, I've hit a Britney
Spears wall where it's like I can't I can't read anymore. I feel like I went your eyes are as if I would miss your episode, Kate, like as if that's something that because these young young girls were like Britney Spears, you know, she was like such a part of our childhood and she's like so emblementic and and I understood it. But I was like, wow, okay, because I just I was never like into musicians like that.
But it was just interesting. It's fascinating. Like I said, I had heard Andrew jenks piece on it a year ago, right, that was a great He came on my show. Did he really to talk about Brittany or
something else? No, we talked about the Varsity Blues scandal. Okay, I'm not feel I feel like I've probably interviewed ed everybody, just because every episode I feel like I have so many different kinds of segments, so I'm always like, oh, yeah, I talked to them, and I sometimes I forgot I'm like, oh yeah, but I like him a lot. I did not know what a conservatorship was legally until listening to that, and
I was just blown away and so real quickly. Do you feel like this is an absolute sham and there should be some sort of an appellate process that can get her out of that. I feel like it's hard to say, because you we have not had the benefit of looking through all the medical and legal papers, and I just think it's a really hard call to make. And I also have friends that work in entertainment who know her and say she
could make decisions maybe about herself, but not our finances. Interesting, So that needs the problem is that he filed to be a conservator before anybody else, so she once you file for that, you can't get out of it. And Okay, there's reason to believe that she was pushed to do so as because that would be the only way she could see her kids. Okay, but how could there be a legal process that isn't doesn't come up for a review of a fronological review the ish. The overarching issue is that it
was a conflict of interests. There's too much of a conflict of interest, and that's I think at the heart of the matter. Yes, and somebody should I mean, there should be a medical board that's convened to assess her mental and her mental fitness to be able to do this instead of saying okay, from now until it turn it out. But as the documentary explains that people who have a conservator for their person that it almost never is ever presented
like you're in that forever. Yeah, why you're My advice after watching that is, don't ever agree to a conservator unless you're like someone has like, oh, it's typically for people of like Alzheimer's and she and she agreed to it, then, is what you're saying, because it has been suggested that she thought it would be the only way that she could still have access to her kids. Got it, Okay, I'm gonna have to I'm gonna have to watch it. Okay. Anyway, this is why my children get annoyed
of me because I never stopped. No, I think Kate, really, I it was just I didn't want to keep you for too long. We kept you for over an hour. We thought, we're hoping we're going to get forty minutes with you, and we're blessed to have you for longer than that. So thank you so much, everybody. I really appreciate it. Thank you, Kate, Kate, Casey, everybody, I really appreciate you. Come back and see us, will you? I will? And you need to come on my show too. By guys, are you doing?
Yeah? Like I feel like I'm spent. I don't know what to say. It's just now you guys kind of know. You guys know why I wanted to have her on the show. So please Nick and we'll discuss so I can shut up. No, she's awesome. You always have a I always have a profound respect for the breath. And it's not only breath that she's got some death to Each of her interests areas too, and so I think that sets up for a really good interviewer, and with her future aspirations
in terms of production, it's going to add to that. Also, you know, I really enjoyed her analysis of how at least her take on Real Housewives reality show in general is going, and that's what I intensely dislike about it. I think if you were now, if you're putting out content, there's so much opportunity to put out content. Where my measuring stick is you can show young people right at developmenting stages and it can be of great value
to them. I would never show my kids real housewives of whatever city. Never because for my daughter that's the opposite of what I wanted to become. And then for my son that's the opposite who for him, who I want involved with, like as you know, as that type of model, And so I don't find any I don't find any worth in that. I mean, if it's just a cheap entertainment value, then he can be entertained in
different ways. And that's very it's unreal. As as you guys discussed, it's very produced, and I think it kind of picks at the worst in us in terms of what motivates us to watch those types of things. Why we motivated, Oh, we motivated because it's fake glamour. We're motivated because we like to see cat fights, are arguing or whatever it may be. And I think for as a society, I mean, call me the old scrooge or conservative or whatever it is. That's not what our society needs.
Our society needs a lot more depth. How can we make the people around us better? How can you make the world better rather than this type of stuff? And you can have fun doing those sorts of things, right, It's not all about being serious and you know, world peace kind of thing. But can you can produce content that is genuine? You can produce content that people get an additional education out of, maybe that they wouldn't otherwise,
and at the same time be entertained. And I think the the proliferation of all the various content mechanisms and types of shows is a is a result of what we've seen in mainstream media people just being frustrated and upset with it. That was actually one of the questions I was going to ask her, and before I actually I will I will play Devil's advocate to your question. But I just want to get Nick's thoughts on what we just heard. Oh, I thought she was great. I mean, yeah, I didn't really know
a whole lot about her background. I mean just based on you know, on her website and everything. But and then it really makes sense on I wouldn't say, it makes sense, But she really has a good sort of idea of you know, what she who she is, why she likes the things she does, what kind of sort of appeals to her in regards to her in her interest to interview people and her interest in reality TV and everything
like that. So, oh no, I was, Yeah, I was surprised on you know, a lot of her insight and then just general knowledge. But given her background and you can hear about all her sort of other things that she has, you know, in her upbringing and everything like that, it kind of makes sense on how I mean she is right now. But can you guys believe that she started to tell her her she told us the story of her career, and she left out the part about oh,
I worked at the White House and spoke at the Democratic Invention. Maybe maybe to her it wasn't really a big deal. I mean, I I was recording real quick. When I was recording my band, and the guy that produced us had an album that hit like the top twenty Billboard or something. It was like top fifty, top twenty from a bandity producing pretty much that's
true, like majority of the songs on there. And now I figured i'd drop that and be like, hey, oh yeah, I did that album and it was like a billboard and like whatever, Like I don't care. It's amazingly some people you'd think, you know, would be more into things that kind of would garner them attention on paper, but in reality, they're
just like, it's just one of the things I did. I've done plenty of other things, and I think for her it was just like, yeah, that's just one of the things I've done, but you know I've done She's done all these other stuff as well that might be more important to her currently, and it was amazing. And what I want to say I want to say to Will is that, first of all, I agree with what
you say, and I think what somebody like her would say. I'm gonna guess if we would ask her that question, she would say, well, I don't show my kids that stuff. It's something that I watch. So not all television is meant for all audiences. And I think you could tell by the tenor of my questions and how I feel about Bravo TV today that for the most part, I've fallen off of it for those reasons, because
I want to see something that's real. I don't want to see people argue and fight, because, as you said, you can put on cable news and see that stuff. But anyway, what I want to do is let's wrap this segment and then we will talk about if we're probably not gonna do MMA tonight, but let us wrap this segment with Kate Casey in a neat bow because it was absolutely amazing. You guys think that that sound good to
you? Guys? Oh yeah, all right, So we're coming back with Don Dokin, George Lynch and the boys because I want Nick to get a little bit of this, all right, guys. So, like I said, I want to thank everybody for tuning in to hear the amazing Kate Casey. And actually it doesn't sound so hyperbolic after talking to her. But we will probably come back to you guys within the next day or two with a
preview of UFC two fifty eight. So for my brilliant co host, the new full time Full Power Professor, my brother Willeby Wu and my man Nick Cazono, this is DJ San Marcos saying peace out, one love, and we'll see you down the road.