Yah, Welcome to dev Statadojo, where we all come together to shed light on the phenomenon known as UFOs and you aps. Hello. This is DJ, the host of Calling All Beings. He came and sat down with me today to talk about why I'm doing a podcast. How are you up? I'm sorry, I'm sorry to interrupt. Yeah, I'm doing great man. Uh, And I'm interested to hear about why you're doing a podcast, although I think I know the audience needs to know. Okay, well, in
part it's because of you, DJ. You have greatly encouraged me. Yes, you well, Thank thank you. Deb No, I mean you've got so much great content, it was obvious, and then of course of the other reason would be there is so much to talk about, never ending content with the phenomenon that is indeed true. I think that it will take me years to get everything out there for people, and I just want to engage people in these conversations and get even more data for Debes data dojo. That's
what's up, Maryland's own Deb's data dojo. And you know what I'm interested to hear in twenty twenty two from you, Deb, What's that I'm interested to hear more? About your hypotheses, and I use that in a in a plural way because they're you're really good at finding out what happened and how
maybe how we got here to some degree. But I'm really interested to hear your thoughts about the phenomenon at large, meaning how they came to be or I'm sort of where you think we're going, whether you you know, like your percentages on extraterrestrial, ultraterrestrial, interdimensional, all these all these forms. Because I'll tell you what, man, I heard Preston Denny or Preston Bennett. What's that gentleman's name that was on Dennett Dennett on UCR man fascinating story
about a navy guy on his ship. Oh my goodness, did you hear that? Yeah? I caught some of that earlier today and and so so actually, DJ, I really am going to try to figure that out this year because I separated out all these different hypotheses and that are now hypotheses and it's singular, man, all right, And I separated there's so many and actually there are ones that we're still uncovering that some people are not as familiar
with. For instance, the control mechanism one that ballet seems to really like no talk about that. Okay, So his is that the phenomenon is kind of guiding us, and they're controlling our encounters with them, and they're guiding us towards something. How do you feel about that? Well, I think that could be a part of something else. But that doesn't really answer for me who is guiding us? So it's not a very satisfactory one. Yeah, but but let's say, immaterial of who what if that? What if
that turned out? What do you think of that hypothesis? Immaterial of who the the the the actor is or the control err is. Well, I think it plays into what people have been saying about the phenomenon doing some tricks on us, doesn't it. Nathan. Nathan's a big proponent of that theory. And it also kind of plays into the phenomenon hides the phenomenon, camouflages the phenomenon pops in and pops out, you know. So there's a possibility
that we are being guided in some way. A lot of people think the phenomenon is trying to guide us away from nuclear usage, right, But again, it's not very satisfying because it doesn't answer what I want to know. Oh, it's only what then I go ahead. I want to know who the occupants are. I'm all about occupants, you know. And I have heard from some sources that not all of these crafts are occupied, but of
course we have enough information to know that many of them may be. And I'd like to know more about that, and I will, of course, in the future, address what I think about that more often. Yeah, I would, actually I would look forward to hearing that. And it's interesting
that that you're more interested in who than what or why. You're more interested in who than whether or not there that hypothesis is grounded in any significant truth, regardless of the fact that certainly Jacques falat is I mean, he's a legend. I mean he's been studying this longer than almost anybody. But why do you think that? Is that that that you want to know who rather
than what or if? Okay, so I think part of it is we may not understand why, Like we are always talking about this in human terms, and we may be missing something because we don't understand. I think there's people making claims about the why, and it's interesting, but not as interesting as who. And once we know who, you know, I might play
into some of that a little bit more. But it's sort of like, you know, if you let me get to a metaphor, if, for instance, an egg is spinning on the floor, right, and you don't know what the egg is, what's going to matter first that it's spinning and you want to know why it's spinning, or that it's an egg and you don't know what that is, Like, I want to know what the egg is first. Does that make sense? Uh? It does it in a way. But I want to actually double back to something that you said a
minute ago. You said, we think about this in human terms. So my question to you or anybody is are we capable of thinking of it in any other terms? No? But you know what, it's very possible the phenomenon will try to communicate with us in a way that we'll understand at some point. But I think the first step of that is to actually know who that conversation's going to be with. Well, what if they said to us? So, what if they I'll give you an example of why I think
why is important. What if you were visited tonight in your bed and one of them said, oh, we're the centaurions. What's your next question? Going to be Do you want my real answer for that? Dj mm hmm. Can I get on your Oh no, not that part. I want you to give what the most obvious answers that ninety nine percent of humans would ask, what you're doing in my house? Yeah, which is another amalgam of why are you here? Right? Well, I guess so. Do
you see how one follows the other. They could tell you I'm where the reticklians from Zeta reticulae or where what? And by the way, I just want to throw this out there for everybody when you listen to this story by Preston Dennett and I did just look it up some get the correct pronunciation of his name. This is one of the most fantastic abduction stories I've ever heard in my life. Right, take take that for a second. Do you know where it occurred? Deb I didn't get that far, unfortunately, taught
me. Off the deck of a navy ship. Wow, this guy was abducted off the deck of a navy ship in broad daylight and taking aboard. Wow. Awake, I mean awake, broad daylight. It's hovering off the port or starboard side of the boat. All right, Holy shit, look at that and then next thing you know, boom, he's aboard the vessel. And by the way, this was after his bunk mate asked him if he believes in the phenomenon and if he wanted this to happen, because brother
man said, it's happened to me a bunch of times. I can arrange this. Wow. And then he had conversations. They showed where they're from, like on a star map and the whole nine, and by the way, would you like to go there? And he's like, hell's nah, put me back. I'm finna be looked at as a wall. It's so interesting how many people are like, no, I don't want to go to these places, and I'm like the opposite. I'm like, take me. You want to invite me to skin walk or ranch, I'm going. You
want to take me to you know, an I'm going. You know, so we need to holler up at TJ and bring the debs out there. No, I don't. I don't think they'd enjoy the blurring my face for the whole video. They're not gonna blow your face. We're just gonna assume that nobody from that your employer will be watching, uh will be watching history channel on that given night. Yeah, but oh man, I'll tell you what now, I'm ready to see debs out there because you know what,
I don't know, I might go. I don't know. I'd be as if like I've been invited, but yeah, yeah, I would be the person who's out there trying to meditate on a rock and like, you know, they feel like, what are you doing? That's what I'd be doing. I'll be trying to go out there and meditate on a rock and they'd be like, Okay. So I do think there are risks at the ranch. I recognize that significant risk. I think that some stuff going on with
the em that's damaging. But I'm if I'm invited to go somewhere where there's a good chance that I'm gonna see u APS, I'm gonna go. You
know. That's fair. That's fair. I'm with you. I mean, I've begin thinking more and more is that if I bring a certain attitude out there that I could be okay, like not an attitude of fear or I'm looking to attack or even carry a weapon with me, but just just be out there like hey, you know what's up, you know, like just kind of take a more yogic approach to it, and because they I keep hearing them say over and over what you bring to the ranch will affect what
your outcome is there. So I think, well, if I bring positive energy there, would that result in me leaving with positive energy as opposed to being scared and you know, all kinds of stuff. So I don't know, easy to say until I see a shadow person. Now, I will say that one of the rumors that I've heard is that it may not be the phenomenon that's doing some of that work on people, that it could be something trying to keep people off the ranch that's human based. O what.
Yeah, that's one of the rumors that it's I don't want to point fingers, but it might be the government trying to get people messed up with yam. No, it's definitely not it's but that's that's the one of the rumors. But I think, honesty now, one of my gut instincts about it is that there's something on the ranch that's just trying to keep something protected and keep humans away from it. That's my instinct about it. So I think that I would be okay, but I do wonder about the safety precautions that
they take. I wonder what they're doing to make sure they don't have problems. You know, I'm burning some sage. I'm gonna be walking around Sage the whole time, doing some stuff like this, so they might need like, I mean, I hate to say this, but maybe we should really look into tinfoil hats. Yeah, I mean, it couldn't hurt, right, I mean, so, I don't know. I guess I feel like whenever people pose the question would you do this? Would you do this?
Like would you live in a haunted house for a million dollars, I'm all like, yes, of course I would. Okay, wait a minute, so this house they said about the conjuring, you're all about going in there hanging out with Annabelle. I would do it. Oh my god. You know I used to think like you and then let I mean, when I was in England in two thousand and eight, I was dying to go to a haunted house, like a castle, like in Scotland or something. And
now I'm I'm not so sure about that. So I'm glad though, that you got that kind of gusto going down so well. I told you in my twenties, I did some ghost hunting. Do you recall me telling you about that. I was the person that was buying equipment and uh, you know, trying to do it in a scientific way. I had a you know, polaroid camera that I bought just for that that you know, that really surprises me. No kidding, it doesn't surprise me. But but DJ
doesn't know me at all. It didn't go very well though, because when I try to do it in a formal way with a group, the group was like, we have too many people who are interested because TAPS was really like a big deal then, you know, and everyone thought everyone was coming in because of TAPS. So that's that TV show on Travel Channel exactly what called I don't recall. I didn't really watch it much, but but I think it was. I think it's called TAPS. Yeah, yeah, I
don't know. Sorry, I don't remember. But but everyone thought it was really cool. So that's why a lot of people joined. And as a result of that, they said, we have too many people coming in, We're not gonna invite new members right now. So I just kind of let it go. But I still ran into some haunted places once in a while and had some interesting experiences. I dig it, man, I dig it. I mean I would, I'd be into it other than the travelers,
other than the traveler thing. Oh yeah, them coming home with you. Yeah, that's what I'm trying to avoid. Man, I don't want to
do some TJ Aler kind of business whatever happened to him. But but no, so so I are you gonna, you know, talk about like what you're gonna because you know, we got to wrap this up and talk about what you want to tackle on your show during the course of DEBS Data Dojo, what you'd be getting up to. I really want to get every voice that wants to talk about this phenomenon a chance to talk, you know, Like, I see a lot of people who have stories, who are really
earnest about this, Especially on UFO Twitter, there are people who are there daily, daily researching, putting out material. And you see a lot of people emerging, you know, from the military. You see people who are you know, into this in so many different categories, and I just want to get their voices out. I want to get as much information out to the world as we can do. I'm with you, man, I know you're all about sharing. Yeah, and that's that's that's wonderful. You're not
trying to hide stuff. You're trying to keep some stuff for everybody knows that. I'm using Katiani's voice now right. It bothers me when people don't share. It bothers me when it's about writing a book and then keeping the ployos to yourself, Like no, I'm like, now everything out, everything everyone needs to know, make it and then make it palpable for the public so that they can learn too as quickly and easily as they need to. I'm with you, man, that that is. That's a great thing. I'm
glad that you are that you're doing this. I mean, you bring out lots of information from lots of different sources. You have a voracious appetite for knowledge and for other people to know. You don't like when people are in the dark and they don't know and they're not making informed opinions on things. And I really appreciate that. That's a great mission. And you have been able to connect with so many people. And I don't know exactly what it is. I mean, I know that we like you, I know that
we want to talk to you. I don't know exactly what your special sauce is just like I don't know what McDonald's is, but I think it's like a thousand nine dressing. But you do have a special sauce. Oh I appreciate that, J And you do too. You motivate me. Come on, come on, I mean you have the Marilyn accent. You know I don't do anything. But anyway, all right, I'll tell you what, man, I'm looking forward to having you and Deb's data dojo on here.
I know that you're gonna get some good guests, some researchers. You've been reaching out, and you know, I realized that like remote viewing isn't even a part of the phenomenon, but you've found a bunch of them, and I do hope to talk to them, even though it's kind of not part of the phenomenon, maybe it's tangentially and I'm super interested to get their thoughts on not how they do it, but by what medium their communication travels to
their receiver and back or their transmitter in back. So I'm very interested to act one of them about that. Well. I do think it's part of it. I think there's a connection that has to do with a they're seeing some things that we normal lab persons cannot see, and I think that they're using it to communicate, and I want to know more about that, of course. Yeah. And I'm wanting to know from a nuts and bolts perspective because now you know, I talked about how you know the theories and so
on and so forth. I want to know from a nuts and bolts perspective how that happens. That's what That's what I'm interested to know. I think that's one of the draws to all of this DJ. There's just so much interesting stuff and you cannot help but notice how many researchers and people associated with the phenomenon are also connected to remote viewing. It's a lot. Yeah, yeah, I know you've made that connection. Man. I mean, right now, hell put Off is wondering why I had so much starch in my
dinner, and I'm gonna have to answer for that. I don't know it's because Katiyani cooks that way, but all kidding inside, no, there is. And I think you know what's interesting is is there's something you know we use in the military. Where will you know if you're on a frequency and you're just on that one frequency, it's easy for somebody to jam that frequency.
But in some cases if you frequently hop frequency hop from one to another, it's hard to jam when you're hopping from one frequency to another during the course of one string of communication. Right, And I think the phenomenon we can also exercise this because while we might be focused on nuts and bolts one episode or one week, maybe the next episode, we're just theorizing it out what evidence leads us to think of ultraterrestrial, extraterrestrial interdimensional methods, that these
things are happening intent that we might infer. So that's what I love about the phenomenon is that is that you can jump around. So not to do that song jump around. That's what I did, DJA. I can't sit on one thing. I have to follow all the paths. And it's because there's just it is so much. There's so much to it and there's something
for everybody, all right, I dig it, man, Debs. I'm looking forward to you be part of the Calling All Beings podcast network, our first franchise e of which we probably should be paying you for no putting your show, but you know it's honor, it's not honored to have you as a member of Calling All Beings and also that you would let us broadcast your content because I think it's going to be great and I think it'll be totally
different than what we're doing, but totally cool. And I can't wait for the next Cabby or the next person that also wants to join us and become part of the family where you know, occasionally they'll appear with us and maybe just have their own show on here and so on and so forth. So thank you so much, Debs. Well, thank you DJ, and thank you for coming and talking to me today. Pleasure is all me Holmes.
I knew he was going to drag me into it. To one Holmes, all right, okay, well you have a good night, all right, Thank you Debs, peace, bye bye bye. Thank you to my listeners today, Thank you for joining me as we work on shedding lights on this phenomenon. I can be reached on Twitter, LinkedIn, Instagram, and Facebook at study of UAPs. You can also reach me through ufoconnector dot com or through the Calling All Beings YouTube channel. Take care everybody, until next time.