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Hi. This is Deb, host of Debs dot Dojo and part of the Calling All Beings podcast network. Today, I'm happy to say that I'll be speaking to Preston Dunnett. Preston Dunnett has been studying the phenomenon since nineteen eighty six. He has interviewed numerous experiences and written twenty twenty eight books and numerous articles. Many of his books are bestsellers on Amazon. He is a moof

on investigator, paranormal researcher, and a ghost hunter. DJ has joined me today as well, and he is the cost of Calling All Beings, a yoga instructor, and an impat. Hi, dj Oh, I love it. I'm for clem. How are you, Deb, I'm glad to be here always. Okay? Are you ready to welcome Preston? Party? People put damn hands together for mister Preston. Jannit Yeah, Well, welcome to the Jojoe, thanks very much, happy to be here, Hi, DJ,

Hi Deb. Hello, So the first thing I wanted to ask you and doing my research of you, because I've told people sometimes I have to research the researcher. Is there something you can tell us about yourself like I would like to know more about you other than doing all this research that you do, the paranormal research. What are your interests? I just want to know about you a little bit. Hey, that's awesome. Well, I love science fiction. It's kind of my first introduction to all of this.

But found out UFOs were real, so I thought, hey, real aliens, imagine aliens. There's no choice here. Okay. I am the fifth of six children, so I've got a pretty big family. I live here in southern California. Moved here in nineteen seventy one with my family. We actually all packed up left Illinois in a giant camper and live for three months in a camper, touring the United States, going to all the national parks.

We visited pretty much every state. So that was quite an experience and was awesome because they took me out of school even though I was what, let me see, I was six years old. I remember it. It was. Yeah. Is that one of the reasons you have books from each state coming out? I've noticed that you're doing each state. Yeah. I think it's like six or seven. I started with California. I thought, what's the next one. I want to do? What state is really influential?

Well, New York because that's you know, that's where the whole abduction movement really started with, you know, Bud Hopkins and Whitley Strieber. Of course, it's called the Hudson Valley Wave and the New York Blackout. It's hugely influential field. And I just started sort of picking states that I thought were had something unique to contribute. I'd love to do all fifty states.

I would. It should only take me one hundred years, so God willing, you never know, and you're gonna have to do some things like Puerto Rico. Also, you're just gonna have to, you know, so once you expand from the States. Yeah, Puerto Rico, man oh man. For the size of that area, it is has so many reports. I studied uf A healing accounts and US has the most. I think England and Russia and Canada and then Puerto Rico, which is actually sort of part of

the US. But yeah, it definitely is. They just don't have access, which is great. So uh. I was going to say, though, one thing that you proved when you said that is memorable. It happened when you were six. That trip is memorable, and I like to tell people I was like the experience, and I didn't start traveling until probably I

was in the Air Force. I mean, like, my parents didn't really do a lot of traveling with us, but that there's nothing you can buy that will replace those memories that you still have today of you traveling around the States in a motor home or a caravan of some sort with your parents. Those are invaluable experiences that you'll never forget. Yeah, and it really helped me when I started interviewing witnesses who were like, you know, I was

six years old when I had my first encounter. I'm like, yeah, a six year old may sound like an unreliable witness, but nope, they are absolutely sponges. They observe very carefully, especially if it's anything out of the ordinary. And as a general rule, people who have you know, it starts around that age. So it was really interesting to me to sort of look back at my own experiences and here are the people describing now they're

six year old eppearances. Yeah, what's interesting is anything that happens that's a little bit more significant at that age. It's like our first memory and it really stands out, So I imagine they may remember it more vividly than other things at that time. Yeah, one lady I interviewed, Laura was her

name. She says, I have three early memories, two animals making love, two dogs getting in a fight, and this major UFO experience where she saw UFOs one saucer come swooping down a hover over telephone wires, sort of sucking the electricity out of it, which they do. As you may know, I've heard that made that might have been you that I heard that from when you're on UCR. I would never I'd never heard that before. That's

very interesting. Yeah, it's absolutely a fairly consistent type of UFO behavior where they're following over telephone wires. And in fact, it didn't interview one juentsman who is inside a UFO when they did that. And I've heard many people discovering from the outside, but have someone inside a craft and they're doing that. He said, you could feel the electricity. It made his teeth rattle. This can explain some of the anomalist power bills because like you, all

of a sudden, it's fifty dollars higher this month. I know, we didn't use the electricity, Moore, they just averaged it out and charged all of us. That's probably what happened. Yeah, probably stealing our cable too. Well, I do, I do have excessively high electricity bills, now that you mentioned it. So I'm going to just start knocking out some of the questions I have for you. One of them, and I don't know if you've ever explained this is about the artwork that you have that unfortunately people

who are listening are not going to be able to see. Do you draw the artwork? Do people you interview to the artwork? Where does the artwork come from? Mostly me, you know, I initially. You know, my sister in law is a fantastic artist. Have worked with her from the beginning, and she's done the covers for most of my books and you know a lot of the thumbnails for some of my YouTube videos. But she got really busy, and you know, I'm putting out a lot of videos on

YouTube, one per week. And you know, the witnesses, I love it when they can draw something, but that's not always feasible either. And I don't know, I just started feeling the impulse to draw, and you know, hanging around my sister in law, Kisara for so long, I started to pick up on how she was doing it. I would watch her

draw. I'm like, oh, I think I might be able to do that, and slowly getting you know, by no means as good as she is, but I'm slowly getting a little bit better and having all kinds of fun. So, yeah, I am putting doing a lot of artwork and interviewing people and producing sketches based on their interviews. I'm sorry, I was just going to say, there's a lot of talk about how art connects to the phenomenon. Some people feel like they're almost going into another dimension when they

create art, where it's like almost like a download sometimes. So I guess I was curious because you have so many different pieces, and some of them are haunting. Yeah, I've gotten some great feedback. And I've watched my sister in law, you know, sit down with a contact d and she

works very much like a police sketch artist. You know, how big is the nose, you know, the eyes that they wrap around the head, so forth, And she's finishing it and getting closer and closer, and hear the witness gasping here and then suddenly they start crying, And it's amazing to watch that sort of watch it hit them real hard when they see their own encounter brought to life. And yeah, my sister in law absolutely, She's very intuitive and connects to people and connects to the energy of it all.

And I think it's a really powerful tool when you're doing something like that, to be able to sort of be empathically and intuitively connect to the witness. Preston, if I may, what is your connection with the phenomenon? What is your how do you how do you connect with it? What do you

find in your connection with the phenomenon? Yeah? I came into this field skeptic, an absolute unbeliever until November seventeen, nineteen eighty six, when I heard a report in the news about us setting by a pilot over Alaska. It's a story I've told many times, but it interested me. I thought, this poor, deluded pilot, What an idiot? But wait, my brother saw one, and I remember years earlier he had come running into the house and so I'm like, Mark was, by the way, married to

my sister in law, Kisara, Like, what did you see? So he describes this incredible close up siding of a metallic disc he had with his two friends and so that broke the ice for me, and I started asking other people. I found out my other sister in law had had a sighting, also an encounter with grays. Kisara, who's married to my brother Mark, was visited by short, little blue beings when she was a little girl.

So it's in my family. And I started I found out I had a friends who had missing time even and people at work, you know, abducted. This really hit home for me. I started buying books on this. I'm like, why I couldn't let it go? What is wrong with

me? Why am I so obsessed? And of course I started scouring my past looking for you know, maybe I've got a connection to this somehow, and I can't really point to anything that's blatantly, you know, a contact experience other than one possible sort of confusion about missing lunch one time when I was about nine years old and somehow fell asleep and it was just impossible that could not happen. You know, with six kids in their family, you

don't miss lunch, you just don't. So there was that Well, you know, I just have to comment that I have heard you also talk about the poll that was done where they say about one in fifty people could have been abducted. And you know, I've mentioned this many times. Each is probably tired of me mentioning it that Bigelow paid for that, like that poll

anyway, Nope, I'm just kidding. Go ahead, Yes, So it occurs to me that there's a possibility there's a number of people who have that experience and don't remember there's a number of people that have strange experiences that are parallel, for instance, sleep paralysis, sleep walking, dreams of flying that are very vivid. Do you find that to be the case, that there's a possibility that there's more people than they realize, that that might be something

that you connect to you Oh, yeah, yeah, for sure. When I heard that, you know, actually there's a quote by John Heinek one and forty people had an on board experience. Wow, which got me to ask everyone, and I ended up writing and surveying all the major researchers and writing an article for the move On Journal called the UFO Epidemic, which preceded the roper Pole by about a year. In fact, Well wrote me a letter like, wow, you sort of pinpointed the number there. I'm like,

well, you know it wasn't me. It was you know, the great jay On Heinek. But yeah, it's far more common. It's in my family and I did you know, shortly after I started investigating, start seeing UFOs and with nineteen ninety pretty sure. It was ninety two, late July, and this orb dropped down in front of my car one evening and it was very close, you know, a foot away, went in front of my windshield, back and forth and started up. And that's all I

remember. Scared. No, not in the least. I'm I have For whatever reason, I am running towards these UFOs, not away. I don't, and I don't think. You know, when I first started researching, I'm like, oh, this could not be good. You know, people are being abducted, kidnapped against their will. They're being examined by bug luck aliens who have no feelings, horrific experiments which turned out not really to be entirely true. I think if we take an objective look at it, I

don't feel like this is a nefarious phenomenon at all. It's just an enormous amount of fear surrounding it. Are you not open to I'm sorry, are you not open to that? There may be different intelligences with different intent of course. Oh yeah, I mean it's a wide, wide universe. I would and if you look at UFO behavior, it falls under the same umbrella as human behavior largely. I mean, they're doing the same things we would

do, I think if we were to initiate contact. But what I don't find really at all is people who are being taken on board and quote tortured or subducted to sadistic evil behavior where the eaties are trying to hurt them, trying to scare them. The worst I get is he's very scary and occasionally painful examinations and people do have PTSD and nightmares, but some who don't. People can have the same exact experience, right down to the last detail,

and come away with completely different interpretations. Some are like, oh, this is horrific, they're demonic, I hate them, I wish to just go away, And you're just like, well, didn't scare me the least now. I rather enjoyed it, And people who don't have a strong fear reaction usually have a better time of it and are given information, a tour of the craft and so forth. Right, So, one example of that that I find rather interesting is Travis Walton. Apparently, you know, when you

see a fire in the sky, he looks terrified. It's a horrific experience. But now when people are talking to him, he says he thinks they were trying to fix something that happened to him that was accidental. His tune on the whole situation has changed. And I've noticed a lot of people change their tune over time, as it's almost like they accept what was going on in a different way. They understand that perhaps these beings don't show emotion like

we do. Perhaps you know, they're not feeling empathically anyway because they're alien, you know, that's what they're saying, and that perhaps you know, they're simply just curious in examining us and researching us. Yeah, I've absolutely notes that pattern. People will start out like this is terrible. I hate this. It's nightmares, it's PTSD. It's like locks on the doors,

sleeping with the lights on. It's difficult. But as it continues and they get over their fear, they turn one hundred and eighty degrees around and start getting all kinds of really interesting benefits. Healings are shown the engine room till all the craft works. We're given messages of all kinds. And yeah, I think there's absolutely a sort of a a journey people take, and some people sort of stop there at the beginning, like, you know what,

I don't want to deal with this, I don't like this. I'm just going to shelve this and not think about it. And that's fine. And it's true that some people do have negative experiences. I'm not going to deny that. I mean, people have suffered medically, some people have suffered emotionally. But by and large, generally speaking, I think this is good news for humanity, for all of us. And I think the ETS are not being portrayed accurately. They are emotional, and the more I talk to people

they will express this. I think part of the problem is we as human beings, really read emotions largely on the surface level by facial expressions and body language, whereas the ETS don't don't generally have a whole lot of that, and are very instead telepathic and empathic. And when a person is in fear and screaming, they're not connecting to these ets, whereas once they get over

that. And the reason I say that is because this is the pattern I see, and I'm super excited about my next book, if I may were. I've interviewed this lady by the name of Dolly, who's a fully awake contactee. Have you heard of Jim Sparks. He's fairly well known in this field. Yes, he's an experiencer. He was the contractor guy or something, right, Yeah, Yeah, he's very well known for not having to go under hypnosis and recalls his experiences. He's someone I would compare Dolly to.

She's had more extensive experiences than anyone I've ever read about or interviewed. And she's like, no, these guys are very emotional, they're very advanced spiritually, they're very concerned about humanity, which was kind of the conclusion I came to. But I got this story from bits and pieces from you know, witnesses who are looking through this phenomena, at this phenomena through the lens of fear and having a real hard time with it and finally coming to grips

with it. She came awake I guess I wouldn't use the term at age fourteen, and insists that these guys are here to help us, guide to us, teach us, warn us, and that's exactly what I see. And I'd say that that's echoed by the research of many researchers like Barbara Lamb, John mac, Edith Fury, even Bud Hopkins. Yeah, So what I was thinking about when you were talking about that is that when we talk about connecting to these entities, I have a lot of words for them.

It's hard. It's hard for me to find the right language. Sometimes people like to use the term others, which is more encompassing. Sometimes I jokingly call them visitors that have lived here for thousands of years, you know,

like so, but anyho. So, one thing we talk about is just like really calming when we try to do it ourselves, when we're trying to have like you know, people call it C five or whatever, just really calming and getting the vibration and utilizing parts of our brain, you know that Gary Nolan have kind of kind of has hinted at and things like that,

and turning ourselves into basically an antenna. So I could see were we're if we're in a different state where we're really anxious, really upset, that's not going to happen if we're if they're trying to use this as an antenna to communicate, and we're flipping out. It's obviously not the right vibration. So that's what I was thinking when you said that. Yeah, yeah, and I think you're right on with that. Remember, their communication is almost exclusively

telepathic, and the first thing they always say is don't be afraid. We're not here to hurt you. You will not be harmed. Have no fear. That doesn't sound like you know what. And you know, when someone's like say, taken against their wealth by someone on earth, kidnapped, it doesn't end well. Almost never does it end well. But here, when people are taken by these ets, they're healed. I've got three hundred cases plus. They are taken on an incredible adventure over and over again. People

are taught how to fly these craft. I hear that all the time. This is not being portrayed accurately in the media, which is very fear based and loves a lurid, scary story. That's not exactly what's going on here. But yeah, it's all about consciousness. I think when you're reaching out to contact these guys, consciousness plays a big role. Your own beliefs can play a big role, and I'm a big believer. I'm gonna call the ets. I am. I think that's the seems so obvious to me that

that's what they are. It's such a logical theory. It's almost impossible to walk away from. I mean, there's a lot of different types of beings, right, Some could be interdimensional, maybe some oretime travelers. Maybe not all of these are ets as we would think of it, gins or you know, angelic spirits or what have you. But if you look at the evidence and it's totality, it is hard to walk away from the ET. I hate to even call it a theory, because what are we, you

know, if we're not beings on a planet. We know what we are, at least we think we do. We're not some phenomena you know that puts on different masks. We are biological beings living on a planet. And that's what I think ets are. And I think the real clincher to that, real quick is the crash retrieval phenomena. If we have these saucers, if we have these bodies, I mean, all bets are off. Our

government knows what this is. I think we do well want Okay, I'm I mean you could have something and not know what, where, what it is, or where it's from. I think that's possible. Yeah, well, I mean it'll clear their craft, right. Sure they've got portholes, sure, but sure look like our cars. Yeah, I mean, but I'm saying as far as where it comes from. Whether I'm sorry, Deb, Deb's got our hand up. I'm sorry, I just I'm gesturing and

people can't see that. But my my thing about the craft is this is something I just have to put out there again and again because I think this is important. We see them as particular objects most of the time, but realistically their craft are so different from what we understand craft to be, and they change shapes and they change drastically sometimes and then they emit other craft.

So like sometimes I'm like starting to back off from the idea of these of these craft and these shapes and trying to get people to realize, yes, some of them probably are a certain shape for a certain period of time, but all bets are off that they're going to stay that shape and that they're even going to continue on whatever that particular course is that they're on, Because more and more evidence indicates to me that maybe the way they travel changes their

shape, you know, you read it out, how like their sizes change and everything. It seems to be a travel related you know, our perception and looking at them changes the shape. Different experiencers see it differently. At the same time, even the color is not correct, because sometimes people see like the tic tac is like orange to their eyes, but when they take

a picture it's white. So it's really it's you know, I understand that we want to categorize them by shapes, and certainly they look like that to us for a portion of time. But I'm moving away from the idea of just thinking of them as craft like ours. They're not. Yeah, they're I mean, I can't disagree with that. People and over over again, people will describe like a ten twenty foot craft and they're taken inside and it's hundreds of feet across. I mean, it's much larger, And yeah,

they can change ape. I interviewed one lady. Her son has an apparent implant. She sent me the X rays. It's under its tooth and it's a quite involved story. But she was pulled on board a craft at one point and she's looking around. There was a couch and it looked like a doctor's office. It was set up to look like her living room, and so I think they have the ability to do that. I think these are

very advanced beings that we're dealing. I think that's the one thing most people will agree on that whoever these guys, wherever they're from, they are very advanced technologically, probably spiritually. But yeah, but Preston, doesn't that make you wonder is there an extraterrestrial ikea or rooms to go where they would get, you know, furniture. I mean, I would want to know this, Deb would you want to know it's just a ratan? Maybe they came

from Thailand. I don't know, kidding, I have a better question for you. I'm not seriously asking you that this is just my personality, much to deb and everyone else's chagrin. So if they are taking biological material, Preston, you would say, I believe. So if I'm present and I'm saying I believe that they're taking biological material and using it for X, yeah, I think that's pretty clear that that is one of their agendas. So

many people are reporting it. The descriptions on this are extremely consistent, and I have to tell you, from the very beginning way back in the mid nineteen eighties, I got a report involving the hybrid babies, which was before but Hopkins book Intruders came out and really put forth that theory in a into popular culture, and it is consistently reported, and people who do not know each other, who have not read UFO books are telling variations close variations of

the same story which has been transmitted to them by the I'll call them ets, that they are reinvigorating their genetics because they have lost the ability to reproduce due to and here's where the variations come in, genetic manipulation, conflicts, radiation damage due to space travel, something along these lines. But I hear this over and over again from people, and I've certainly read it in the research of other investigators. It's one of the main gray agendas, I would

say, creating hybrid babies, which is weird. I mean, how are they doing this? What does that mean? And what's our relationship to them? And apparently, and this is something a lot of people have been told by the grades that we once looked like you, our genetics are essentially human. Let's face it, there are human looking ET's out there just like us. That's what I fear, like if I if I fear abduction because what if they take biological material from me. Now you have a little hybrid baby

and he's bald at the age of like a year old. I mean, that's what I'm worried about, is I don't want a kid to have to suffer like me. I think they should get you know, they should have ducked better, a dumb deb. You know, it's good looking, great head of hair on her. I mean they should be a little more selective. Deb. Don't you think I think there's a there's a possibility that I do have hybrid children because I think I could be one of those people who

doesn't remember. That's a possibility. Okay, one, let me get this question in now though, because I got to go, I gotta leave you to Preston. But I did want to ask you, Deb, do you think think that there are experiences yet that you have not remembered that likely have happened based on what you do remember? Do you think there's more? Yeah,

I think there's a possibility. So when you were talking earlier about not being afraid pressed in, I told someone that when I saw my unap, which was just a really just I was working, right, So I was driving and I had kids in my car. I was taking them home, and I saw it in the sky, and I'm like, yep, that's not a helicopter, that's not an airplane. That's not one of the science blimps that was around here lately, because I've been looking in the sky for

that reason, because there were blimps. It was right near an airport. It was just sitting in the sky. I've only seen one image similar to the one that I saw. It was not a saucer per se, but it was definitely not a triangle or any of the other obvious shapes. It was a little bit odder than that. In fact, I just couldn't tell you exactly what it looked like other than it was white and metallic. AnyWho. So I saw it and I wasn't scared. I wasn't freaked out.

I was like, I should probably take a picture of that, but I have to keep working. So I kept going right, I didn't even stop, And then on my way back, I think I saw it again, which is like, I'm not one hundred percent, but I think I did. And it was still like, I gotta keep going I got to take people home. You know, it's just like and then like, yeah, you got a nice phone. Well now I do back, Like, honestly, iPhones don't take great pictures. I've tried, Like I've tried to take

a picture of the moon. It looks like a big blob. Okay, So I don't want to hear about the phones, like, I really don't. I don't think they're meant to take photos of these things, right, Well yeah, so, but I mean I have seen great pictures of tic TACs that people have taken. People send me pictures like because when I started my Facebook page, people wanted to share. In fact, some of their

experiences are on my UFO connector with pictures. But but my point though is that I wasn't scared, And this, by the way, was not the reason I started doing this. I didn't do anything with this. I did other things. I briefly tried ghost hunting. By the way, you'll appreciate that because I don't know if you know DJ, but Preston does all kinds of paranormal work. Yeah, that's what you ask is a multi tool player. You may want to ask him about Bigfoot before you go. By the

way, yeastely. But but I was really interested in and this leads to another question later, I was really interested in people and understanding people. I was really interested in religions. I was really interested in ghats and the paranormal in general. But UFOs were not that big a deal to me. I was sort of like, yeah, that's just a given to me. I totally believe, Yes, there are extraterrestrials. It was not a big deal. And then about four months ago, all of a sudden, I had

to do this. I felt like I needed to do it. And this was a good five six years after seeing the UAP, which, like I said, so, and then I did do like a little C five experiment and I did see an orb. It just popped like it kind of like snuck in, went zag and was gone. That was it. But but I've done a lot of things with meditation that have gotten really weird, and I feel like I'm getting more pushed by those things. By those experiences,

I'm getting information that I'm trying to share with people. Anyhow. So there were some rare things that happened when I was a kid, and I've told DJ some of them, things like sleepwalking and dreams of flying, to the point where one time I was dreaming that I was flying while sleepwalking and jumped off the stairs. Yeah, so I think I might be one of those people. There's some other reasons for that that I'm not going to share publicly.

But one of those people doesn't remember. And when I told a friend of mine about the UAP and then, I wasn't scared at all. And to me, it wasn't that big a deal. They said, you've probably seen them before. M Yeah. It's interesting to me how there is this amnesia aspect to a lot of this, which I don't quite understand, but it's very pround it. And I've come to realize when someone sees something close up, if you have a UFO siding that's within a couple hundred feet,

probably there's some levels of contact there. And if you see UFOs more than once, that's a huge red flag. There's all these little clues that start to add up, and started to realize there's a lot more contact these out there. I think people themselves realize I have a such a different relationship with the phenomenon than some other people. Though for instance, like I don't think that I'm a typical abductee at all, Like I have no reason to think

that. I also feel like it's pretty clear that I've sent out the message don't come into my house and that that's being listened to because that will freak me out. But I've also sent out the message, if you want to meet me out front, I'll be out there. Just let me know. You know. I love it. I love it. But she's such a boss man. So but I feel like, honestly, I'm just going to

go a little voo here. I have engagement, and I try to communicate about how to do disclosure, and sometimes I feel like I get responses back and forth about that, and I feel like disclosure is something that's going to come from them, and it's going to be fairly soon. And I think they're already in the process of doing that. Yeah, I couldn't agree more.

I think they've been doing a publicity campaign for decades, sixty seventy eighty years even, and I started to realize that, you know, I think it was Frank Salisbury who was the first FO researcher to use the word display when he wrote the utah UFO display. It's like these UFOs, they're showing

themselves on purpose. And that's clear, you know, with events like the Phoenix lights, no gulf breeze and Hudson Valley waves, whether no hovering right over a highway, because they never need to be seen by us, they'd have the technology to hide, and they do it constantly. They're almost always there, I think. But they're showing off a lot right now. Yeah, I didn't tell you, deb I took a report two nights ago, another one of so. It was an a husband ex husband of a high

school friend. And I've told you that six or seven of my high school friends had Hudson Valley sidings in the eighties when we were in high school. So she goes, oh, my ex, he I'm gonna have them call you because they're still friends. So the ex calls me and tells me about one over this area of the Hudson Valley called Mayapac Falls, and it's probably

about ten fifteen minutes from where I live, not very far. And he talked about his father seeing it and him running outside, and now they're following it in the car, and then all of a sudden he gets a call that it's over the Taconic Stake, partway Parkway, and you guys all know that you know Jaylen Heineke and uh, what was his name? Bob Bob pratt Wright? Uh and Philip. I can't remember that gentleman's name either. Yeah, Orn Brono however he Italian pronunciation. But in any case, yeah,

they also documented that as well. And so this individual said, yeah, my brother called me and said everybody on the Taconic is getting out of their cars and looking. So wow, dev did that make itself apparent? So so, DJ, I know you said you had to go, but I really think you should talk about the Bigfoot while you can, Yes,

Sir Preston. So it's interesting. I heard one of the Navajo rangers who I desperately want to get a hold of to have him on, Jonathan Dover to speak about his experience tracking Sasquatch, and I listened to Micah Hanks have on somebody who appeared to be extremely learned talking about the prints that were lifted off of the from the Patterson Gimlin film when that incident happened. But they

do not believe that this is an inter dimensional creature. They believe this is just a creature that's just a mammal that lives out in the wild, like a bear or a gorilla. So my question to you is, and Jonathan Dover says, I and my partner are experts at tracking humans, you know, anything, you know, we track things, that's what we do as navajo. And he said, I tracked bigfoot or sasquatch into the middle of a field and the tracks disappear, which led me to believe, well,

then how did it? And he's asking how did it just get did it just get lifted up off the ground to where? So what's your take on whether or not you believe he's just a mammal living among us or an interdimensional

creature of some sort. Yeah. I flip flopped a little bit on this because I'm like, hmm, you know, I've sort of got dragged into Bigfoot like UFO was kicking and screaming in a bit skeptical, but started to realize all these subjects are connected, whether it's goes through NDEs or what have you. And got my first big Foot UFO case where the two phenomena intersected perfectly, which was quite disturbing. And then I got another one. I'm like, all right, fine, let's look into Bigfoot, and I was,

of course shocked it Israel. I think if you are skeptically, you haven't done your homework. The evidence is absolutely overwhelming and fairly conclusive that there is something to this. And I mean, we've got hair samples and all kinds of physical evidence, and I think it is clear that some of these do have very pronounced interdimensional aspects. People like, well, is it intermentional or is it you know, a primate? And my answer would be,

well, kind of all beings have interdimensional aspects to them. We ourselves are interdimensional beings. We can go out of body, We have a soul, there is life after death. Animals have ghosts, have spirits, live on, and I think all beings do. And if you look at the Bigfoot accounts, it's clear that some of these guys are fairly intelligent. And I interviewed someone who's watched them disappear turn invisible in front of him, So I

lean towards at least some of these guys being absolutely interdimensional. But I can't say ah, because there's such areation, from the Florida skunkate to the ten foot tall Sasquatch in California to short little wild Man and just all different types of cryptozoological primates. I think some of them probably are your typical primate and

maybe not interdimensional, but some absolutely are. One und percent. I personally would like to go out of body, but when I go back in, I wanted something like maybe like a fifteen percent body fat content and get rid of some of this. So that's what I'm looking for and out of body experience. Personally. I don't know about you guys. I just want to know how to do it because I've I have had the experience where I felt like I was being pulled from my spine and I'm like, is that right?

Is that how it's supposed to happen. I don't know. I'd like to know how to do that. Oh. I teach classes. I got really good at it. I wrote a book on it. You know. After my mom died in nineteen eighty four, I started having weird experiences, and when I found out UFOs were real, it was right around that time I started having out about experiences. Oh yeah, yeah, you know.

I just feel like there's like synchronicity sometimes with this that's really considerable because I haven't told DJ this, but I had a friend who told me that he had out of body experiences when I was a kid, you know. And I had another friend who told me that she saw ghost and then I had another friend that told me, you know, that they had like psychic dreams, and like all these people just came. Oh. I had one that

told me that he could see demons, you know. And these people were normal, right, and it's completely normal otherwise, right, But they were telling me these things. And maybe it's because I was interested, but they told me so. Yeah, I haven't known about out of body since I was a kid, and I just can't do it. I don't know how to do it, but I would love to you. I have very intense meditations, though I don't know if that's the same. Well, I think

you'll. I mean, in my experience, when you have an out about experience, you know it. There's absolutely no doubt. Because you turn around and you see your body lying there on bed. You know instantly there's life after death. And it is wild. I mean, it's absolutely so much fun. I could not recommend it enough. Some people do have a steep learning curve, but I think given the right sort of tools to do it, it's not that hard to do. I taught a lot of people how

to do it. It can be very scary. I think the main obstacles are really skepticism, fear, and laziness. To be perfectly blunt, it's difficult to learn. It's like learning a new computer language or a musical instrument or no new language. It's sort of applied knowledge. And if you really put forth the effort, if you obsess yourself with it, the more effort you put forth, the more successful you'll be at it. I think I

right do so, I think I'll try it. Preston. When Deb describes her friend as completely normal, you've already figured out she's not talking about me. Nobody's ever characterized me that way. But I do want to thank you for coming on and sharing your best wealth of experience with Deb and myself, and we look forward. It's you know, I remember seeing you on UCR and thinking, Wow, this guy's had a lot of different experiences for so

many years. So many of us are brand new to this topic, and so when we get to speak like with Joe Murgia, or speak with someone like yourself, it's it's very illuminating. Or even who's in fenced in for that matter, it has been around following this for forty years, so we'll definitely see you down the road. Sir, thank you so much for letting me ask you some questions, and deb for allowing me to ask you some questions. All right, my pleasure. It's an honor, I think.

Yeah, we said, of course, yeah, we have that. We have a rule about infiltration. All caves are allowed to infiltrate the tojo. So yes, of course it's great for all of us to get to learn more. Thank you, Preston. We'll see you down the road. Brother, all right, bye, j I must say so, I actually I want to ask you about one of the experiences that I had in meditation.

And you know, it seems like a weird thing to go into what is a meditation and try to get answers from it, But one of the experiences that I had was being shown how to fly the craft, which was basically that the craft are not machines like our machines, that they're basically living objects, and then you have to physically connect to the craft, you know, and then consciously control it and think of it as part of your body essentially.

And has anyone else discussed anything like that with you. Have they also been shown that oh yeah, yeah, I would say that's more the rule than the exception. I've talked to people who have been like sat down in the seat and said, here's a little joystick and you can fly it that way. But by and large people do, especially ones who have, you know, some advanced awareness of their experiences, sort of come farther along the

path than perhaps others. I do feel like these craft are living beings embodied and they are flown through a process of connecting to them empathically, mentally, spiritually, and like you describe, operating it like a body. And that is something I hear actually quite often. And I think this is why, because we hear some of these crash retrieval reports and according to the whistleblowers, who are you talking about? These craft, they go inside and they're like,

where's the power source? This craft is empty? How come there's no engine? What's going on here? It's because they're not flown in the way that you know our craft are, like you referenced earlier, these are far different than our vehicles. These are beatings in and of themselves, right.

I do think that we have a multiple craft in that sense also that some of them are not even manned, that they're still being controlled by someone or you know, I say someone some being consciously, but they're not they don't have an inhabitant, if that makes sense. And I suspect that often when people are doing the C five exercises or you know, trying to get a response, they're attracting these craft because the crafts are controlled consciously and that's what

they're seeing. Yeah, and it's often orbs, you know, And I tend to say those are basically, if you want to use the term ET, they're essentially ET's drones, you know, if they're ET drones. A lot of those orbs. So I feel like people are attracting them when they're doing the C five, which I think also may miff our visitors or co inhabitants or others sometimes knowing that their orbs got derailed by someone doing a C

five. Hey, you never know. I agree that these are probably a number of them probes or drones or you know, something along those lines as we would think of it. But I don't know. It's very interesting because sometimes I think these are actually beings in and of themselves, because there are a number of reports where people will see orb and then it elongates and widens and boom it's a gray or it might just expand in size and become a

ship. So it's perhaps a portal to this or Yeah, I mean the consciousness plays a far more powerful role in this than it's given credit for. And you know, like attracts like is a big thing. I think people are putting forth their thoughts and their consciousness will be far more successful. That's the whole key to see E. Five's it's not so much shining a flashlight in the air, really calling them out to them and connecting to them telepathically

and mentally through your consciousness. Yeah. I just want to say, for the record, do not put a grain laser into the air unless you want to attract bats, because although bats are considered blind, they are attracted to clate cream lights. So no lasers. Also, it's very dangerous for pilots. I don't recommend the lasers. You don't need it. If you are a good antenna, you don't need lasers. So I don't know, I just want to say that every time someone talks about the lasers, I get

upset. Yeah, so does my friend Dolly. She says, no, do not use those. The ets hate them. They will not show up, particularly if you shine them. And you know it's a big problem for pilots. It's against the law to shine them at aircraft. So yeah, don't do it. So I know that. Another thing that was mentioned when you went on a prior interview was that you had a sighting with an orb yourself and you got the sense that it was, you know, a sentient

orb. But you also kind of mentioned that you had seen other things since then. Could you elaborate on that. Yeah, nineteen ninety two was a big year for me, starting with that Urban conner, which I think I probably had missing time because I forgot it. By the way, I did not remember it for some months and it just kind of came back to me, which is fantasmagorical to me. But having interviewed other people who had that experience, I get it now you can actually have this wipe from your conscious

mind. And that year I started to have a number of sightings. I went up to the Mount Shasta area Crater Lake in northern California and saw this light up in the sky. Well, my brother saw it first and we shared a flashlight at it and it blinked back at US. I mean it was clear communication. And shortly after that I attended a CE five meeting with Stephen Greer where he came to La to form a c SETI group and we went out the first night and no longer. As soon as we got out

there on the Santa Susanna pass, UFO showed up. I could not freaking believe it. Someone said, look look up, and you know I've it was a huge astronomy buff I know that this was not a satellite. It was huge. It was not a balloon or a plane or a helicopter. You know, you go through this theory escalation when you see something because you don't want to jump to UFO. That's the last thing that kind of comes to your mind. And we went out the next night and had weird flashes

of light come over our group. So I was hooked and we formed a small group of ten fifteen of us. Core group was about ten or fifteen, with stragglers here and there, and we went out regularly for five years, every other month or so, and had a number of really cool sightings, mostly of anomalous lights. But yeah, these guys started coming closer and

closer to me. I remember one really cool incident was I was in my condominium complex transcribing an interview from this lady who was full on contactee and hybrid babies, close up sightings. Her friends and family were everywhere she went, UFOs were following her, and she had described this incident where Gray's appeared around her bed freaked her out. She was in full on terror, jumped up

and kicked one in the neck and its snack snapped. I'm like, wow, I'm transribing this particular section of the interview, and I remember leaning back in my chair thinking, Ah, this is a lot for me to wrap

my head around. When I got a very strong, absolutely irresistible impulse to go onto the roof, and I've read this some thousand times, and certainly interviewed people were like, I couldn't control this impulse, you know, and I drove off the freeway or I ran outside and I saw uf out And that's exactly what happened to me. I could not stop myself from running onto the roof of my condo. And no sooner had I got up there, I mean, not at more than ten or twenty seconds. When this UFO

appeared. It was a bright orange oval fiery light right across the street, one hundred two hundred feet treetop level, right above the palm trees there, right above this little apartment complex, and it blasted me with his message, which was very very clear, but not so much in English or words, but the message was absolutely clear. And it said, no, it's us, We're Wendy's t's you know, you don't believe We'll watch this and started

darting around. Well, back and forth is what it did. It went back and forth, back and forth, and like twenty foot lengths and turning at super acute angles, going lower and lower and lower, so it was actually below the trees. And then it winked out, and I'm like, wow, they spoke to me, Oh my gosh. Yeah. Yeah. I felt the same way when I saw that orb. I felt like it was just saying hi. You know. It was just like a little cute, little high That's why it was. But I also I get this message

of being careful, and it's discomforting to me. Occasionally I get this message, be careful of putting yourself out there, be careful of what you're attracting, because not all things are benevolent. So that's I'm sure other people have mentioned that to you. We've you mentioned that some people may misunderstand, but I have gotten that message of being cautious. Well that's interesting. No, I haven't heard that a whole lot, So, yeah, that's fascinating to

me. Yeah, it's a big universe. I can totally get that. But what I find interesting about this phenomena is it's very persistent. It's been around for how long before recorded history at least? And here we are, We're still here. We're not taken over. So I don't feel like this is a super huge danger. And I suspect that to some extent we're watched over, But I don't know, this is still there's still a lot of

questions surrounding this whole phenomena. Yeah, I do feel like this is overall benevolent, right, I do think that the majority are and I do feel like, you know, the simple involvement here is exploratory and resources. But I think the need for contact. Why that that pressure is building makes me curious. I wonder if it's just they think that we're getting close to being ready enough for it. You know, I don't know what it is,

like, why that's gonna happen? And you know, even mu Alizondo recently mentioned, you know, contact, what are we going to do when that happens? Are we gonna put a handout? Are we going to point a rifle? So I feel like he may be also senses that, and I think a lot of other people are sensing that that might be emminent. And I wonder since so far, essentially we've you know, engage in a resource level, Like they've come and gotten water, they've come and gotten DNA.

You know, they've come and possibly gotten some other things. Some people think they're interested in gold. I'm not particularly thinking they are. But why do you think they might want to engage with us at all? Like considering how dangerous we are? Yeah, that is absolutely something I've wondered about, because they do seem to be obsessed with all things humans and for that matter,

all things Earth. How many accounts are there of them out there digging holes and collecting soil or leaves from plants, or pulling rabbits and you know, cows and all kinds of animals. A lot. They are definitely absolutely conducting a full on study of our planet. Hovering over our nuclear power stations,

dams, factories, air force baces. It's clear that they are very very interested in us, and just based on what they're actually communicating to people, they seem to be very very concerned about our warlike ways, our greed and corruption, that we were pluting our planet, our use of nuclear weapons. That is the number one message beyond don't be afraid, we won't hurt you.

That is the message they're giving. So it does seem that there's sort of a a relationship there where they are just concerned, like a parent would be that we are on the verge of really hurting ourselves and destroying ourselves, and that they're stepping in for that reason, and that perhaps our relationship to them is a bit closer than we realize we are. Then they are us.

That is a message every I won't say every, but over and over again I hear that from contact these they get that message we are one. Well, I have a theory about that. It gets a little weird, but I'll tell it to you if you like. I mean, it all

gets weird, right. So my thought is everything ties into each other, like everything is connected, and one of the things that is connected is the idea of the simulation theory, that people have this impression that we're in a simulation, right, And in a sense, I think they're right, because I think our biological bodies are like avatars, and that our consciousness is our true being, and that when we die, we return to the god source, the origin right, our real beginning, our real home, and then

we decide where we want to go next, and we come out again, and we pick a planet, we pick where we want to basically experience that avatar life again, and then we go back fourth. And I think we're all connected because we don't always choose to be human, and I get the sense that some of us who have that sense that we have had past experiences with these beings were not necessarily human in a recent life. I think that's part of it. We're all essentially from that one source coming out and then

going back. That's my thought. I think you've hit on it. We're all an indivisible, integral part of this universe. So how and you can't separate a piece of the universe from the universe itself because it is all this one thing. I think you're right about, you know, past lives. This is certainly something A lot of contacts have been told you were us in a past life. I went to see Bashar once Deri al Anka and he

pointed and he's like, you were an et in the past life. You're here to anchor the et energy that was well before I'd written books or was that all well known, And had two other channelers tell me that same thing, and have had some memories myself. When you go out of body or go to the other side, it's absolutely clear that you're exactly right. You know. We're astral projection as it turned as it's termed, it's sort of

not accurate. We're projecting down here into a physical body from our true home, which is the other side, and a lot of people see those other places, and it's really interesting to have conversations and find out there's so much in common considering. Like I said, I wasn't really involved with all of this until four months ago, but I've already met a light being in my

meditation. And then they told me something very strange. They told me that they were myself and my grandmother at the same time, that it was essentially me and my grandmother, which was very confusing, and they were separate from me, but they're like, no, I'm you. And I found that very strange. But then I spoke to another experiencer who said they had the same experience. They met a light being. The light being said, I'm your soul essentially, but I'm not you. Like so I feel like it's

almost like being introduced to what's going on. That the thing that we can't really see at this point, but we will when we die. We'll understand it then. And then I just all the different people I've talked to you, there's so many things that match up, you know, like the seeing of orbs after you die, you know, because essentially we're not going to have this body right after we die. We're going to be basic energy. So I just so many things line up. It's so interesting considering I've just

found it. It's like coming really fast to me in such a short period of time. Yeah, I know that feeling. I was hit real hard as a young man when I found out UFOs were real. That collapsed my belief system. Then I started having out about experiences and that pretty much shattered it. And I don't think identity is what people think it is. It's a lot looser and when you start having out about experiences, you start remembering your past lives and realize like, wow, you know, it's like how

a would I put it? Like putting on a different set of clothes. Almost identity is I don't want to be anybody else. I like being me. What's a past life? That's sort of really hard for me to wrap my head around? Like why am I going to become someone else? Kind of slowly came to realize that it's not quite like that. You are always you. You may just change your name, change your form, change your experience, change your perceptions, change your locations, but you are your consciousness.

That's who you truly are. Yeah, And I have, of course tried desperately to put some science into that, you know, I've tried to look at things like and I find there is some science. They're doing science on things like the biofield, you know, the energy that emits from us

and things like that. They're doing science of course on that intuitive part of the brain that you know we suspect maybe the antenna, right, So there is science behind some of this, but I guess we're just not at that point of fully understanding yet why some of these things can be explained in a scientific way, and some we just intuitively know. Yeah, I think we as humans have a real tendency and desire to label everything and pigeonhole it and

categorize it and explain it. When ultimately you can put any labels you want on anything, it's not going to explain it. The entire world existence is by its nature absolutely phenomenal and inexplicable. And yeah, I think we can figure out mechanisms to a certain extent, which is awesome. And I love the fact that people have proven telepathy in a laboratory setting. They've proven human

levitation in a laboratory setting, proven it proven out of about experiences. Robert Monroe, very famous for us out about experiences, went into a lab and created an apparition. So this is something that absolutely has science behind it. Right, and remote viewing as well, which I know is not quite the same, is out of body essentially you stay in your body when you remote

view. I have recently asked someone to delineate the two for me, but they did show that there was you know, stistically statistically effective, not one hundred percent, but it was effective. So they did do some science with that as well, so, yeah, the research on that is amazing. I've done it myself and it's incredible. When you get it right, you're

like, wow, I actually did it. And I think the very best thing for people to we're dealing with this is, yeah, I look at the science, but ultimately it's personal experience because there's a difference between belief and knowledge. And you can read all the books you want, and you can study everything to death, but until you actually do it yourself, that's true

knowledge. True knowledge comes almost exclusively from actual experience. So I think that's what really people need to do is don't believe the government who's lying now, don't believe me, don't believe anybody. Find out for yourself. If you can go out about it, go if you want to say UFO, you can. It's not hard to do. Go outside, call them down. You'd be surprised how easy it is to do this stuff. And the fact that so many people understand that goes into how another thing connects, which is

that whole concept of a collective consciousness. You know, we all seem to share these ideas, we all seem to understand and have some of the similar ideas to share about this so I just I feel like everything I look at connects to something else that I'm not finding one thing that's just wrong, And I feel like they're all part of a big puzzle and one day humanity will

understand why it's all connected. Yeah, there's a lot of buzz about like contact modalities and how these various phenomena like a near death experience or an experience with ghosts or out of body experiences are bigfoot or you know, being taken on board UFO are various pathways to essentially the same sort of enlightenment or revelation that we are all one. I'm still a big believer that, you know, an out of body experience is separate, it's not you know, bigfoot

is a big foot, you know someone's taken on board. That's exactly what's happening. I don't think this is a phenomenon that's wearing different masks and putting on symbolic shows. I think most of what people are experiencing when they talk about UFOs are aliens, extraterrestrials, not all. It's a big umbrella and a lot of stuff gets pushed under this umbrella called UFO. It's when some

of it is clearly not. And some of it, if you look into the angelic phenomena, very compelling evidence for angels and for that matter, demons, bad ghosts, and fairies and all kinds of supernatural creatures jins. These exist and they're not extraterrestrials. They are something else. There are a wide variety of paranormal beings out there, or what we call paranormal. We do have a growing number of cryptied videos, cryptied creature videos popping up, and

of course it's hard nowadays to know if you know what CG. Of course, I just kind of have to assume a lot of those are until I can see it in person, because so many people seem to enjoy faking those videos. Right. But you know that the other day some of THEE was like, no, this is one hundred percent real, and it was some sort of of insect like creature that looks a little bit like a grasshopper but huge, walking through a highway. I have no idea like nowadays until we

see it in person. But the possibilities are endless. And one thing I like to point out when people talk about all these creatures and these strange things is there's so much about our own planet. We still don't understand some of the creatures in our oceans are super bizarre looking. I don't understand why people close off to some of these other things when our own planet is extremely odd.

Yeah, that's always a point I like to make. When someons like, oh, I would love to see, you know, an alien, a different species, I'm like, well, look at dolphins, take a look at them, Look at all the different creatures, and our dogs, cats, These are different species with a different intelligence and are still you know, as a a where as us, and very intelligent, far more intelligent than people give them credit for. Did you know ravens have the intelligence of

like a three to five year old child. They are smart. I remember I went to see a show on this and the guy speaking and demonstrating this, and I turned to my five year old nephew, I'm like, look that raven is as smart as you. He looked up at me, like what. But yeah, it's a point I'm trying to make, is there are different species on our planet that we can look to that will give us incredible knowledge about different types of life, right and definitely different types of society.

So people have made that comparison. I'm one of those people who really enjoyed enders game, and if for those who are not familiar, the story kind of indicates a whole species of extraterrestrials that live basic like insects to you, with a hive with a queen and a whole bunch of soldiers. And we have that example on our planet, you know, we have that example of how that can be when we look at bees and you know, insects like ants, you know. So, yeah, there's a whole bunch just

on our own planet. If we look to it, that will educate us about the possibilities for sure. Yeah, it's very interesting because looking at the reports of humanoids, I guess we call them ets as is the most popular theories to what we're dealing with. Certainly, they're almost always humanoids. It's very strange and that's kept me out of the field for a while. I'm like, Eh, this is Star Trek, this can't be real. Aliens

would be different from us. Nope, they are largely, almost exclusively humanoid. Whether it's grays or any variation thereof, or human looking ET's just like us, or a little beings or light beings. They still have arms and legs and praying mantis. That's very common, almost always humanoids, catlike beings, dog like beings. I remember the stories of the dog Man when they came out. I'm like, what you're telling me? Where wolves are real?

I mean, please stop. But I have gotten a few reports myself. I spoke with Linda Godfrey, who really sort of spearheaded the research into quote dog man encounters. And now it's fairly well accepted that these kinds of beings do exist in our planet. And there's a wide variety of these cryptozoological beings are sort of coming and going interdimensionally, right, And even if you just look at humans in our own genetic makeup, we have some very peculiar

things that happen. We have the children who look like they're eighty when they're five. They have giants among humans, we have little people. We have the people who they call the wolf people who get excessive amounts of hair. We have the people who are allergic to the sun, just like vampires. You know. So that's just humans, and that's genetics, and that's part of our life. But again, as soon as you mention something non human

people just shut down their brains. Are like, Nope, even though we have all of that among the people in humanity, even twins is kind of a strange thing, right, quadruplets and so on, doesn't matter. As soon as it's the word non human is mentioned, people can't deal with it. I should say, not originally from Earth, you know. But as soon as that's mentioned, doesn't matter. How weird the stuff on Earth is, and it's just as soon as it's not from Earth they shut down.

And I've seen so weird things in the ocean, I'm telling you. Yeah, the evidence for sea monsters is very compelling. And yeah, like you said, hypertrichosis, the wolf people, porphyria, the people who are allergic to some progeria. These are all genetic. I don't even like to call them mutations or just genetic conditions, I guess would probably be the best way of putting it. And if you look at the you know, if you study genetics, the genetics of you know, asparagus and a peacock and a

giraffe and a human and a chimpanzee are very very very similar. There's not a whole huge variety like people think, and genetic dials up different for each species. But we're all carrying essentially the same genes, and I suspect that genetics is universal and that grays have you know, DNA too, as domnids, as do all creatures who manifest in the third dimension here and live physical lives. Genetics is a huge part of all this, and it's really worth

mentioning. According to what science believes right now, initially everything would have been very close together, and everything that has created the universe eventually expanded apart, and it's still expanding supposedly, right, But initially all the building blocks for everything would have been very close together. So yeah, if they all are similar to us, it wouldn't surprise me at all like they have had the

same building blocks essentially. Yeah, I think that's exactly the situation we're dealing with, and that we are have a far closer relationship to these guys than probably it's not fair to call them, you know, alien and are diversity like you said here on Earth where they're talking about the pygmy people or you know, the watusi, who you know are upwards of seven feet tall, and all the variations of skin color, our variation among humans, I think

we look more different than perhaps grays r to humans. I mean, there's wide variation among the grays as well, wide variation among the Mattis beings. Talk to a lot of people who described the Mattis beings, and they're often described as anywhere from six seven to eight feet tall, but I have reports of up to fifteen feet tall, and they're described as gray. They're described as green brown. I just interviewed a lady. The one she saw was

about five to six feet tall and had a reddish skin. So there's variation among all species. I also find it interesting to discuss the eye color because the human eye is actually rather unusual. Most of the animals on our planet don't have white and the eye, and for some reason, we still look at these beings that people are drawing and get kind of freaked out by the all black eye. But our eye is the one that makes less sense when

you think about it logically. And there's also been a talk of red eyes, right, There's been several people have seen red eyes, and we do have creatures on our planet that have red eyes, and some just really weird eyes actually, you know, like the ones that some of the creatures on our planet have, like multiple eyes. You know, it's just some strange things. But you know, again, once you say it might be et people freak out. Yeah, we'll look at spiders have no eight nine eyes.

Sometimes it's really interesting. There's a book by Ellis Silver which I think is very interesting because he puts forth a sort of argument to say that humans are not super well adapted to Earth, and he raises some very interesting points. I mean, we can only live in a very narrow temperature range. Anyone over six feet tall probably has lower back problems. Our eyes are different. There's not a lot of food on this planet that we can eat to

survive without preparing it in some way. We're not particularly well suited to this planet, which makes me wonder. And the fact that there are human looking ET's out there, like Travis Walton saw and many others makes me wonder, hmm, did we evolve here? So I don't know if you've read and

I just could not wait to ask you this question about star people. I think it's already six Killer Clark has written some books about this, and I've been reading one lately, and they and I don't want to say all of the cultures believe this, but a lot of the people that she spoke to among the Native Americans or Indigenous people believe that those are ancestors. The star people are ancestors, and of course some of them look like our people,

you know, because we were them. You know, there are ancestors. So there's this whole concept of you know, they came, they populated the planet, and then they kept traveling. Yeah. I love already six Kilored

Clark. Okay, her books are very very refreshing, and I think our show how there's quite a bit of I don't want to call it full on disinformation, but selective perhaps reporting on this subject because her then puts in her book are clearly sincere and honest and are quite a bit different from a lot of the reports we hear from some mainstream researchers and describe a wide, wide variety of beings, which is what I found in my own research, And

yeah, she does. I've interviewed Native Americans who say the same thing, that they believe that they are descendants from star people. One guy called him the woe Jay, which is essentially the same thing in Seneca. So I think that just goes to again to speak to our close relationship to these guys and the fact that we are not alone, we have never been alone.

And the theory of evolution. While I'm clearly true people do evolve, I'm not so sure it was necessarily from primates as we would think of it. I think there probably was quite a bit of genetic manipulation and intervention going on throughout human history. That seems clear to me. We're seeing that now with the hybrid baby phenomena, but it's clear to me from you know. I love Arty six Killers Clark's books because the accounts are just different. They're a

lot more friendly, but not all of them. Some are not nice and describe a wide, wide variety of beings, which is absolutely I think what we're seeing here in the United States. I think we're very much dominated by reports of grays, and in my own research, I'd say at least fifty percent grays. But and there's a lot. The tricky thing about the gray though, is that if you look at some of the other beings, they

actually could be kind of the same. Like even the mantis being that they describe, thighs are somewhat the same, right, It's just the shape of the head is a bit different. And I actually made this point to someone when they were saying, oh, I don't think we could have that many different species coming to our planet, because if they had traveled from another planet, it would have taken so long. I make a few points about this. I say, first of all, they've had a lot longer than us.

Of course they could have traveled that long. They could have been here way long before we were here. And then I also make the point we have a lot of species on our planet, you know, so why couldn't they all be from one other planet? I mean, I don't think they are. I don't think that's what's happening. But logically speaking, they could all be from one planet. They could all look similar for that reason. But that's just my two cents on that some of them might be from here.

There's a new term called crypto terrestrials. They've been here longer than we have, you know, they're not necessarily extra terrestrials. Yeah, and I totally agree. I think the variation is wild. And that's what kept me out of the field too. It's like, well, the stars are too far away, you know, it's science. If you know how hard barrow the stars are, what are you cannot get there using propellants. With our current technology, it would take hundreds upon hundreds upon hundreds of years. It's

just not going to happen. And it becomes clear if you study the UFO accounts that that's not how they're traveling. They're not using propellants. There are coming through portholes. They have a way of traveling interdimensionally and are able to traverse great distances in very short periods of time. I've talked to people who believe that they've been taking to other planets. There are many accounts out there.

One really well verified case was the hunter from Rawlings, Wyoming who gosh what Carl Higden, who had an encounter where he was taken on board a craft. It was really tiny, it was like ten feet wide. He goes on board, it's huge. Inside he sees elk there that he was hunting. They took him to another planet instantly. It did not take long at all. He was healed of by the way, kidney stones and tubercular scars, and there were people in the area at the time who saw UFOs.

This truck was found without any tracks around it. It's a really well verified case and I think it has a lot to speak about the nature of this phenomenon. Well, I feel I don't want to take too much more of your time because we definitely went over It's just so much to talk about. But I really want to tell you about someone I interviewed recently. Her name is Marie. She told me a story of being on board a craft.

It's in one of the previous Stebsdata Dojo interviews. While she was telling me the story, I very much could vividly see what she was talking about, and almost it was as vivid as when I meditated. It was very vivid. She was describing that the people on board the craft were being shown two planets, one where there was what seemed like poison oozing through the planet, which I assume was their way of saying, your planet's getting polluted.

Another planet where they were showing they were populating a planet. And on that on that craft that she was on, they had a whole bunch of plants. So I feel like they were giving this message to her, you know, your planet's getting messed up. We're taking you guys because we need to repopulate another planet. Like I feel like they were giving an answer to why these people were being abducted. So I just I felt like I needed to

share that story with you. Yeah, it's very interesting. I've heard similar stories, and I think it's entirely possible that that will happen to us. I mean, we could have an existential crisis where they intervene and say, you know, what's time to go. There was one guy interviewed who was with a group of friends and one of his friends had an experience and was taken on board, and the ETS invited him to go with them, and he declined, and they said, well, if you change your mind,

we'll come back. Long story short, that's exactly what happened, and he went on board with them and disappeared. He was a missing person's case. The police were called, you know, his parents. They never found him. They found his car, the keys were still in it. He apparently went with to ETS. That's what it looks like. So that is something

that a lot of contact either are talking about this. And one thing I hear over and over again from contact is is the same dream of UFOs appearing in large numbers in the skies and people are like freaking out and they're like, no, it's okay, go on board. I'll show you. This is a very very common dream, which really makes me scratch my head and wonder if this is any way precognitive. I definitely heard that from someone recently.

That's strange. I've definitely heard they described the exact dream weird. Huh, Yes, that's eerie. But I will say that when I talk to them about that, the bigger issue is, you know, they can do that, but it's actually getting out of the craft and being safe that is the concern, because frankly, you know, humans can be when they're scared. They end up being a little aggressive sometimes, and they value life highly, so they don't really want any of them to die just so that they

can do contact. So that's one of those things that still needs to be figured out. Dance, they can do the show with all the craft and we'll get everyone on board and the sense I shouldn't use that saying get everyone to be aware, not on board necessarily, sorry, guys, get everyone to be aware by doing that, right, they could do that there. I don't think that's gonna help with contact per se. I think that will maybe even scare more people, especially people who saw Independence Day. So that's

one thing that needs to be worked out. Still, I think it may still happen that way. You know, it's happened many times in history. It's happened over the capital, you know, essentially the Phoenix lights. It's numerous, numerous stories where lots of people witnessed at one time. So I think it's going to happen again. But I don't think that's going to help us with the contact part. Yeah, Ultimately, we do need to overcome

fear. I think that's one of the things that's really holding back open official contact is our prejudices, our divisiveness, our warlike ways, our inability to elect leaders who have our best entry us in mind. That is what we really need to work on. It's up to us to solve our own problems. Et is stepping in and handing us the answers isn't going to help us. Everyone has to learn. Yeah, but I think I think you're right.

We're close to the point where I think people would be able to handle a full on display and it would change would change the public consciousness and bring us together in a way like, Okay, we're not alone, there are other people out there. Ultimately, the universe is safe. The very worst thing that can happen to a person is moving on to a higher dimension, and that's fine, and you can come back. The universe is safe.

We need to overcome our fear, and that is what our real problem is, right and I hope you're right that people will be able to handle it. I think it really depends there. I have spoken to so many people who are still very scared because they don't understand. And when we don't understand something, there's fear. I think it's going to take more than just the display. We have displays going on right now, an excessive number of craft

over military right now. So obviously people might have realized when the government said one hundred and forty four sightings, they meant that's a lot. Okay, It's not just one object seeing one hundred and forty four times. It was swarms of objects being seen at one hundred and forty four different incidents, and some of those swarms were there for days, So that's a lot. There's

a lot going on. It's concerning to the military, of course, but at some point that swarm may show up somewhere else and may be visible to other people. And you know, I just think we need to think what then do we do next? You know, So that's that's where I'm at. I'm just well, how do we handle the next part? Because that part's already getting ready to happen, and it is essentially already happening, So what do we do next? So that's one to ponder. Yes, Well,

one thing is for sure that the situation will change. Change is inevitable. I think it's pretty clear this phenomenon is not going to go away. It's been pretty much escalating, and our awareness of it is escalating. Cut side of the bag. Cover up can't go on. It's not tenable. Sooner or later it's going to collapse under its own weight. So I think that's what we're going to see, is, you know, truth flooding over society because you can't hide the truth. It takes care of itself. You

can't hide the sky. You can't hide the fact that UFOs exist. Most people know what UFOs up. No, I've heard of them, certainly, And so I think we're going to be looking at big changes up ahead, because that's the pattern, that's the way it's always been. Things evolve in the futures. It's a great time to be alive here. On Earth because I think we're really at a crossroads, right on the verge of a real sea change, a paradigm shift, and it's going to be really interesting to

see how this all rolls out. I'm pretty excited about it. I know, we keep getting told you haven't seen anything yet. Just wait. I know. So I'm looking forward to it. I'd really like us to make some progress with this because again, I get the sense that our friends are tired of it. They are tired of the hiding, They're tired of you know, some of the behaviors that are involved with all of it. You know, just tired and tired, and they want they want to move on

to the next step. You know, I imagine that all of these beings are probably interacting with each other, right, so maybe they're just like, maybe they're just like, come on, guys, let's just let's just get on with the show. Let's move on. Let's get a little further after

all. You know. It's it's funny because we're already doing the things that people claim that they wouldn't do, like that these beings, you know, we're imagining them, they would never be coming here, but we're already getting ready to move to Mars, right, so you know, it's like something encoded in all beings apparently just explore, find things, interact, but part of that beginning group of cosmic thus before it expanded. Yeah, it's such

a shame there is a cover up which there is. You know, it's demonishrable. It's not speculation. We know it, and it's really screwed up humanities and our progress towards realizing our oneness and the fact that that we're not alone but not anymore people, you know, we're waking up right, and for the it's for the most ridiculous reason. I mean, I guess at the time that was a necessity for them they didn't want their comms to be

overburdened or whatever with sightings and stuff. But really that's the reason, like they I don't think they even necessarily meant to cover up as severely as they did. It was literally so they didn't get overpowered by calls from civilians. Yeah, yeah, it's such a shamme but hey, we're pretty much past that now. The ridicule factor has gone away largely. There's no more debunkers.

Really, they look foolish if you start to debunk right. Well, and my favorite thing is that science is going to be involved in a big way. It has always been involved. People are not aware, but there have always been scientists working on this. But of course we don't have all of that information available to us. But yes, of course they've been working on this. Like someone made a really good point, if a general puts out a memo saying this is real, we should be paying attention to this.

Of course they were paying attention to it. You know, they didn't stop, you know, as evidenced of course by the recent off SAP a tip all that, and of course we know that the CIA was probably continuing to moderate it. And frankly, if you look at the foyer is they didn't give us all the years. They definitely didn't go very recent with some of them. But at least into the nineties they were telling us about moon dust. Yeah, because it's in the DIA FOYUS in the nineties. Air

Force is still denying Roswell, I say, it's a balloon. Really, they still won't talk about the phoenix lights come on right, yeah, you know it's funny. I feel like the nail and the coffin for Roswell was when Donald Trump said, I'm considering releasing information and lifting the confidentiality on it or whatever. And I'm like, why would you need to do that for a story everyone knows about. Why would you need to disclose something that you've

been telling us. Why is there anything else to reveal? We've been told it's a balloon. So like that, that didn't make sense. I said that, like, why would you need to tell us any more? Donald Trump? It just doesn't make sense to me. So I think he messed up. He probably shouldn't have said that, but he should have been like, oh, it's just a balloon. But no, he said, Oh, I might be telling you guys some more. I haven't decided if I'm

going to declassify. Why would you need to declassify? You know? Like that was really interesting to me, but a great you. So I just thank you so much for coming. I know I kept you a whole lot longer than I intended. I clearly have a lot to talk to you about. I hope I get to talk to you again. I would like you to tell people where they can find you and a little bit about your books and also what you'll be working on next. Yeah. Thanks, deb I

appreciate you having me on the show. My latest book is Wondrous twenty five True uf O and Connors. Just about to put out another book. I'm excited about that about a lady named Dolly. Is that Fully Conscious Encounters. I do have a website, Preston Dennett dot Weebley dot com is the address, but if you just punch in my name it and take you there, my books are available on Amazon. I'm also on Facebook and Twitter and trying to get on to be more active on Instagram and putting out my research on

YouTube. Yeah, this is an important subject. I'm excited and I really appreciate you having on this show because this is something I take very seriously. Right, you have a brilliant mind. I think one of my favorite things about watching your show is just the way you retain information is amazing, and you're great at conveying the information to the public. So I truly appreciate you

coming and talking to me again. I hope we'll get to talk again in the future, and I look forward to seeing what you're going to put out. I'll keep watching you on YouTube. Awesome. Thank you, Okay, and so listeners have a good night. This is Deb from de Deb's dad at Jojo, part of the Calling All Beings podcast network. If you want to look for me, I'm at Study of U A. P S. I'm on LinkedIn, Facebook, Twitter, the UFO connector dot com. I'm

all over the place. Just reach out and talk. Have a good night.