CAB #137 Christopher Sharp - The Liberation Times

to go to sleep. He's already got his damn jamm. He's on h he is the creator of the Liberation Times. Uh. He's the one who's got a direct lie. He's got this red phone to Susan, gob Yo, Susan, this is Christopher Shop in the UK. What the is going on over there? And he wants to be clear. He did

not go to a public school. He went to a state school and then of course he graduated from the University of wint And he is none other than the man himself, the writer of Liberation Times put him together for Christopher's shop.

have you gleaned from from this? This? To me, this is like we were just talking about shaking up the snow globe of UAP disclosure what are what are your impressions of Jake Barbara? What are you hearing, sir?

the story that are there for good reason. Let's just say, when when you're doing retrieval missions, like we've reported them before, allegedly, what happens is you both have a JSOCK and CIA component, so you're operating under the title ten and title for few authorities. That's always something considered to consider. And in the Jake Barber interview, we haven't heard CIA yet and that's interesting to me, very interesting, very smart.

the cabinets coming together. What are you hearing in terms of the potential for movement there. We recently had him sign the executive order about the declassification of the rest of the JFK files, RFK files, MLK assassination, that kind of thing. Do we think that the UFO piece of it is literally on the table or is that kind of maybe a bit of a pipe dream. At this point, it should.

record saying he wants disclosure. And we have Mike Waltz as well, who I've been told is very very pro disclosure, and he is also backed by Peter Field. Peter Field is a very very key figure behind this. Peter Field, I believe, gave the largest, one of the largest campaign donations in history for a Senate race for JD Vance. So this guy's very very powerful. He's got a lot of money, and he's also back Mike Waltz. He's backed on a trap, so he's got links all over this

White House. This guy and Peter Field's very very interesting. I've had this from several sources, very very interested in UAP. He's funded a lot of initiatives from my understanding as well in the UAPE world. And yeah, he's a billionaire with a mental political power. So I believe he wants access to technology. It wouldn't surprise me if he's tagged

teaming with Elon Musk as well. Even if Elon Musk doesn't accept the allegation that there is a non human presence here, he does want access to those classified programs involving space technologies. So everything is primed. The incentives are

there for people to act. We're just waiting to see if Trump kind of like has the cajones to to act, you know, I mean he's said that he's going to well, he's going to classify the RFK files, JFK files, Martin Luther King files, and Chuck Schumer has already thrown down the Gauntont saying come on there, like what about the UFO files. So Trump likes to like present himself as this curve white person who's going to tear apart the

deep state and stuff like that. And that's kind of like suba basically saying come on then, like I'll go there, I'll take on the gatekeepers I already have with my suber amendment. So Trump, if you are kind of like this person you're presenting yourself to be, go all the way do it other wise you know, you don't have the cojon as I did.

Could there be like, for instance, if one case everyone was setting their bets on was found to be our technology, there could be some blowback. Do you think there's a double edged sword here?

that the US may have developed by itself. There's other stuff that has been replicated from non human technology, I believe as well. So I think it's a bit of both. And then OBBC you have the non human technology as well, so it's a bit of a mess in the skies and also non human intelligence as well. That's a bit of a bit of a mixed pot.

I don't know if you can do that accent, Chris, but if you can, because you've obviously you've got the British accent down, like you totally have it, man, you know what I mean, It's so natural. But thank you Sarah for the twenty Kristin Thompson, our friend who I think is from Daymark, keep up the good work, Christopher Sharp because he's a bad mother and you know how that ends. Also want to thank to Petty Paralegal. This is jen I got to meet her and her husband

at the meal food we had in Massachusetts. And not only is her husband a badass, but Jen herself is also a badass and helped her her extricate her husband from the Army as an enlisted man and into the Air Force as an officer. So good job Jen with your letter writing. So anyway, yeah, she's awesome. So thank you everybody, and and thank you for your kindness. And now, Chris, if you want to do your John F. Kennedy accent toward the end of the show, we'll get that set up for you.

with that as well. How you've been able to take some very sensitive information and bring that out in a safe way through your journalism and your journalistic standards in Liberation Times.

reveal classified information. And it was that was from Europe, the National Underwater Recond's Office, involving Special Operations Command as well, and also involving the Office of Naval Research. So kind of like put all those things together and yeah, I told the story about that. And then when I put that story together, I was like, holy crap, like I've

done the wrong thing, Like I shouldn't do that. You know, I've got a family, like I've been told that the people involved in the enable retrieval programs and not very nice people, and I messed up. So, you know, I released an article with that information in and I was like, I kind of panicked, and I deleted that section for

the articles. I can't do this. And then like one person from the UFO community basically is looking at the Internet history page of Liberation Times to find it and calls me out saying, oh, you know, he changes his stories because he makes mistakes and stuff like that. It's like, no, I changed that story and because I didn't want to put that information out, but you know, as it then been found, I just kind of like reinserted that information there and then I think with my next article, so

I doubled down on that. And then I also named Glenn Affne as well, who was the edge person who blocked the deal between Lockheed Martin and that element of what would have been the Bigelow team, let's say. And so that, you know, a lot of people knew Gatney's name, and he was like, Valdemore, you never shall mention him. So mentioning that name and an article was like a real,

really big deal. And you know when I put that article out, a few people were like panicking, saying you were UK or you should have done that or consulted a lawyer, and you know, like people were panicking and and you know, come to think about it in hindsight, well, actually, like if you think about it, like, I'm not saying that Gaffney did anything illegal. I'm basically saying that Gapney

did his job. So if it did, if that, if that, if those materials did belong to the CIA Director of Science and Technology and Lockheed were supposed to send those back years ago, then how is he breaking the law and doing and how am I kind of like alleging that any wrongdoing of him that will put me in danger. So when you kind of like think about it, and sometimes in hindsight you figure, well, actually that's not such

a big deal. And I will also add as well that there may have been someone else involved with that story in terms of blocking it, so I might get onto that story one time. But yeah, so I do have legal protection though, both in the UK and the United States, so that's really good. It's nice to know that people are going to act pro bono for me if I do get any potential trouble. So that's good to know in terms of like the impartiality and stuff

like that. I mean, I've always come at the story like because so many neutral outlets will pretend to like be impartial on the story. But you know, if you're actually kind of like using the Pentagon or an element of the intelligence community as your primary source, which defines the story itself, that's a problem. Because I studied parts of journalism when I was at university, and I learned things like prime definition, you know, like the source. You know,

there's a battle sources. Basically to define your story, one has to define it. And then also like how do you use the source. The source that you usually use first in the story will define the story usually, and then the source that you use at the end of the story quoting them will usually not define the story. So you know, it's kind of like any publication that says, you know, we're kind of like neutral on this, you know,

or impartial, it's very difficult to do that. So I basically staked out what it was about beforehand, just saying, look, I am reporting the story like it is, you know, a giant kind of conspiracy and is wrongdoing perhaps from the US government and contractors and stuff. So that's how I'm coming out the story, you know, like the Watergate scandal, Like I'm doing it like that. That's how I'm covering

the story. But when you're doing that as well, you do have to stay in partial where you don't want to get involved with like debates and wars or she said, he said, or you know, go against anyone else in the community or anything like that. You want to stay on your mission, to stay focused. So that's what I do.

And you know, I know about politics because I've been involved with like politics in the UK as part of my common stuff like the past decade or so, so I kind of like knew how it worked from a UK perspective, and I kind of had to kind of bring that understanding to the UAP story of how the dynamics might work. And I've also kind of had to catch up on like UK politics, intelligence community matters, how

that's organized, the d D, how that's organized. And it's been you know, a big learning curve for me kind of like learning all that stuff. So yeah, it's been a it's been a it's been a big kind of like mission, and it's tough and Yeah, you have to protect sensitive information as well. You have to protect your sources. You have to be prepared to go to jail to

protect your sources. So that's really really important to me as well, because people do want to find out who your sources are, and that's always a tough part of it, especially when people are digging around. So, yeah, is that answering all your questions? Is that you?

You know, I sort of lean towards the latter. So it's almost one of those things where if something is a part of your environment, something is confirmed to be part of your environment, then its presence in that environment, it's it's interaction with all elements of the environment of which we are apart is going to affect the way in which we perceive it. And so over time, I would think with enough time, we it is going to impact, you know, sort of the way that we think and

perceive and can and and can un of reality. And so I'd like to think that it does have an altering effect on us. Now, if you take the more proactive approach, A lot of people have argued that non human intelligence is trying to steer humanity in a certain direction or catalyze and evolving thinking on our part. Some of the people who've had direct contact partly direct contact

with these beings have relayed messages. A lot of them are about our overreliance on technology or the way that we're kind of abusing the planet, the environment, seemingly trying to get us to change our ways and become a little bit more focused on achieving some kind of balance between ourselves and the nature that we are a part of.

So it's a great question. I do think that consciousness and sort of the evolution of consciousness is a huge part of the phenomena because it does it is one of those factors that cannot be disregarded like it's just it's part of reality, just as we are part of reality. And for us to think be a more harmony with

what reality happens to be, we have to change. And you know, if you go through through life thinking that reality is a certain way and you ignore all these other aspects of it and you kind of keep on living with blinders on, I think that that's not really

a great way to be. And so this is sort of I think prodding us to say you know, there is more to what we might think reality happens to be, and maybe we need to incorporate those aspects into our way of being, and by doing that we are going to change.

So I've got a strange relationship towards it. And because my epilepsy and polls language as well, Like sometimes I can't even think because when you're thinking and thinking a language, and so you've got to go in a meditative state. But you know, with that said, I mean with the subject, I've covered it from a real kind of like nuts and bolts agle covering the politics and stuff like that

and the process of how it's going. But you know, covering this story and following this story, you can't ignore the consciousness aspect and the genesis of this. How this came out through Tom DeLonge. You know, he was talking about consciousness, about how there was a link between consciousness and how the craft worked. And you know, we've got doctor James Ryder now deceased from Rocky Mass and the vice present who was trying to visit take the deal

between Lockheed and the Big Low Gang. And you know he's going off after his retire to consciousness conferences and spirituality conferences. So you know what makes someone in my kind of journalistic head, you know, someone so qualified, someone's so down to worth and the nuts and bolts in terms of aerospace egeering and stuff like that and all these clearances, and you know, is clearly the same person I've always wouldn't be in a position who was What's

what leads someone like that down that route? So for me, like you know, this is this is a valid kind

of area to look into. It especially when you look at the people who have kind of like spoken out about the consciousness elements, spoke publicly and privately for me as well, and that that's something that I think is really really quite interesting and all I would consider when when doing that, you know, what what if, hypothetically, like part of disclosure is not just kind of like finding out that there's a non human intelligence interaction with What

about if it actually changes the definition of humanity itself and being human? What if hypothetically things were found on the recovery of these vehicles that kind of could unlock secrets to enhance our consciousness. And what if every human kind of like has psychic abilities or something along those lines, And then you know, part of disclosure would mean that a lot of the population would have these abilities. What does that mean in terms of a practical sense? How

do you regulate that? How do you stop you know, what does privacy mean if everyone's psychic and stuff like that, you know, and you know, some people will use it for good, some people will use it for bad. So that presents a whole big problem. And I think Jake Barber may have actually touched upon that as well in his own interview. So yeah, there, that's really got Yeah.

So I was picking that up because I mean, I'm still trying to digest the interview, the great interview that rosted, But you know, I think that's really really important to consider, you know, and obviously we haven't had the five come out yet kind of like backing or even actually kind of like defining what consciousness is, you know, but you know,

I think it's been said by Eric Weinstein. It seems as though sites went underground to a large extent in the nineteen fifties and that you know, physics hasn't made any real breakthroughs for decades now. And that is also something that Peter Field has touched upon as well with a recent article that he did for the Wall Street Journal.

I think it was a Financial Times and it seems very really important to me, And yeah, that's it's important to touch upon, and yeah, it's definitely given me food for thought.

have him for twenty six minutes. More So, go ahead, court and our debs in Courtney please, or go ahead, and Courtney, since we're sort of keeping in order here, go ahead.

to feel like they're in contact with another intelligence. And as you saw with Jake Barber's discussion about how he felt this sensation come over him of being in contact with another right and it being very feminine, I think that I think it's all psychological, and so that's where I fall.

it right back to something topical. I can't state how huge this is about this young man this and I say young man, he's probably my age in Jake Barber and him saying that they had that. And if you want to just take somebody from the same archetype in Baker, what's his last name, that guy big is it? Jake Barber, Fred Baker? Fred? Okay? So Fred Baker is from the twenty fourth sts at Pope, you know, tier one career,

tier one airman combat controller. So he's cut from that same cloth, and he's talking about the same thing about love and as opposed to war, and about consciousness and about how he went and had Basically, even if it's not the CE five construct, because Jake said that that the construct, the methodlogy that they use to call in a craft which ended up in this guy Baker seeing a huge, multiple football field size of triangular craft was the result of a construct or a modality that's similar

to CE five but not C five. So that shows us that is a you know, some sort of conscious contact with this other intelligence that can't be ignored because if it were somebody, you know, that that didn't have that amount of public trust, sometimes people say, ah, you know, I'm not sure. Well now you have you have what's his name saying it, I'm gonna screw these guys up. Barber, you have Baker, And then you have the Delta Force officer, the guy who was an officer with Delta Force who

now has his PhD saying the exact same thing. So this is huge, huge for this for the people who are disclosure advocates, not only the actual physical craft that they've grabbed, but also the consciousness aspect of it that a couple of them have experienced that can't be ignored.

consciousness in the modern world. Quote is evolving, so we're able to to hear it and respond to it better. There's research that shows that people who have increased abilities increased instincts are able to perceive more related to UAPs. That was the Gary Nolan research. So I just wanted to throw that out there as another consideration that, you know, we had to also think about this culturally when we're

talking about consciousness. Other people have been attached and are totally connected to UAP.

And if they think there'd be an effect on the economy that's negative, or banking or interest rates or international banking, if they think that there's going to be some sort of a negative effect on what they're going to be graded on, which are some of those things I just talked about mainly, then they may not disclose anything. And this is not a statement about President Trump, because every Trump, every president from now until Harry Truman, has not disclosed anything.

So this is not a statement about one president. It's a statement about every single one of them. So even even if he has the bully pulpit and could slam down his gavel and say I want to start firing people until I get to the people who knows about this program, well that would be one way that he

could get to it right. But if he thinks it willgive negatively reflect negatively on his presidency, especially from a financial or an economic aspect, or or something where there would be any sort of hysteria or anything that that that he can't be proven to his satisfaction, then he's not going to release it. I don't care if there's two dozen advocates for UFOs in his cabinet. That is the calculus that he's going to use, and that's probably

the calculus that every single one of them used. Now there may be different variations because some of them are much more about national security, others may be more concerned with the economy. So I think that's the calculus that's going to be used and will determine whether or not anything will be released. Frankly want to come in on that.

the way their presidency is viewed writ large. It also could be people from inside the established what would we call them bureaucrats that are that are sort of holding the information. They're saying, hey, mister you know those of you who are going to go brief the mister president. You know, if this information gets out, these are the ramifications that could result. They could have to do with our competitors. There are global power competitors, you know, Russia

in China. So there may be a myriad of reasons, but something thereof. So let's see Sarah Shock and Horror has a question. Then we got Anthony. So somebody want to take this one? Please?

You know we actually we hadn't had Dave Grush, but uh, these people have had multiple lifes polygraphs because you have kind of like a mission polygraph that's going to get into your ability to keep secrets and your thoughts about

the mission and all this. And then the lifestyle polygraph is extremely invasive where they can ask you anything about your life from beginning to end, any sort of devancy that you have that could dig into, and how you respond to that will determine whether or not your issue that clearance. They do not get that, they do not go through that background investigation. They are just blessed on

an inauguration day. So and then there's another question here in all caps, and maybe devs could read this one from Anthony Miller. There you go, Mila, We've got question, Mila.

remote viewing in her case, or human and contact. Basically that's initiated with like a ritual or procedure with their attempting to contact entities when they do heist, give it up.

of a paradigm shift. And I think that the twentieth century sort of we saw kind of the the golden age of rationalism, and we're in sort of also the waning age of the waning time of that. And so now we're looking at a time period where we're re examining some of the things that we quote unquote discarded as a supernatural, and we're we're starting to take a fresh look at those things because they kind of have tie ins with things like quantum mechanics and aspects of

reality that we don't really understand very well. And so I find it very fascinating that that love is a very it seemed to be a common thread in a lot of these contact experiences, particularly with the CU five or the highest protocols. Love seems to be very highly connected to those experiences. There's something about that that expression, right, so what is that? And to me this is exciting because it does give us a chance to re examine our humanity in a way that I think we have

discarded for a very long time. We've tend to sort of bucket all of these emotional experiences as just like, well that's kind of woo woo stuff that we don't want to deal with. We're just we're really just highly rational animals. And the more rational we can be, the more computer like we can become, the closer we're going to get to discoveries and knowledge and you know, understanding

how reality actually is, etcetera, et cetera. And what if, in fact, this aspect of ourselves is wrapped up in all of that and is important to our understanding of knowledge and truth and all those things. So I think it's truly exciting. And I think we need to be open to the possibilities that that you know, who you are as a person, and this is a crazy concept, who you are as a person, how you comport yourself in the world, how you approach reality, how you treat

other people. You know, does happen to have some sort of correlation to you know, whatever this phenomenon might be. However it expresses itself in the world. A lot of things that are wrapped up in that. That's not to say, and I want to make sure to make this point that it's all love and light and sunshine and rainbows. You know, we know there are lots of experiences that

run counter to this kind of love message. I think that that is a trap that we fall into, where we tend to sort of flatten a lot of these experiences into one category. And it seems to be based on the body of evidence that we have and encounters, et cetera, that there are lots of different kind of competing groups and elements at work here. Just like as Chris pointed out, earlier, lots of different human components to it, like, we're not all the same kinds of human we don't

all behave in the same way. Some of us are really benevolent, some of us are downright evil, and I think that that's probably just just a fact of the way life happens to be everywhere else. So anyway, fascinating question, Anthony, Really appreciate you posing that.

And I do think some part of that is psionic or consciousness or even in lucid dream states that we receive contact, you know, from the ancestors. So I'm taking it even further, and I think that I've said this to a couple of people. I think ASI is going to is going to disclose NHI and what it is. So I'm pretty far out there on the fringe and

the curve of some of my own predictions. But when I think about hes or psi or psionics, which I kind of think of as an older term to describe, you know, psychic functioning, I'm starting to think about Nhi in very different terms from how I have in the past. And so as well as those terms, I'm also trying to think differently about we as humans and spirit and how we co mingle within ourselves and that the Nhi

might actually be part of us. So I'm looking at that in different terms, and I think you need to be careful about those kind of terms. But I'm trying to just upend all my own learnings about what h Nhi really is and think about it differently, turn it upside down a little bit.

experience ers specifically experiencers. But debs, what are your thoughts, my friend?

So I think there's a biological element that it has to do with our survival, just like you know, we know birds migrate based on magnetic spields that we cannot perceive. I think it's just a very innate part of us that we need to accept and acknowledge is just a part of who we are are. I actually just put something on X about research that's been done on people being able to smell when someone is going to die, and also yeah, and well yeah, definitely animals are much

better at this than we are. You know, for sure. They know when someone's sick, they can tell when someone's upset. They're way more accepting of this concept than we are. But it is part of us, and I think there's a biological element to it. And I also think that when we understand the quantum a little better, we'll understand what's going on a little better, because I still think it's very much about light frequency and sound.

Carol King? I had, Yes, No, I totally understand Carol King and her I think her thing on BBC might have had James Taylor also accompanying her, which is really dope. So I don't blame you for watching that. This is DEBS those of you who want to follow Debs who you just spoke. It's at study of UAPs on Twitter. And someone just welcomed in New Jersey Cowboys. I think that's Chris Albert. Not sure, but if so, welcome Chris Albert. If that is you, anyway, you got nobody else here

is going to get that except for Courtney, but that's okay. Anyway, I would like to speak to Christopher Sharp though, believe it or not, he's our guest today even though we've spoken as much as he has. Uh. Hopefully he doesn't mind that though. If not, then do you mind that we spoke a lot.

Do you get interested in these topics? So yeah, I can't roll it out. You know, my brother has experienced like strange experiences, my mum does, and my aunt does, my cousin does. I've never been privy to that, you know, so you know this is part of like why I'm interesting in it. So I really really enjoyed just kind of like the expertise that you have on this this panel. And yeah, I think it brings like a real holistic kind of view of the topic, which is really really

helpful both to me and to your audience as well. No, so thank you. I think it's fantastic.

Mick is of course from from England like yourself. I wish you had a Cockney accent though I want to picture them with a cockney accent.

But that was masquerading as an aircraft mechanic, which is like, I've got questions that I got to get to you from you to Ross about that, because I want to know how he kept that cover amongst the aircraft maintenance guys and how that would come to fruition if he went TDY, would he say goodbye to the maintenance guys, I'll see you guys in three or four days. I got to go do reconnaissance or so I've got questions about his cover, Not that I don't believe him, but

just questions. But have you been contacted by let's say, special Air Service members, special Boat Service members, any of your kind of their brethren in the uk K forces that are would be your tier one? Have you been contacted by anybody.

when we did the Office Global Access story. And it's it's been top told said to me that you know that they're they're really part of this whole kind of like legacy program from the beginning. I mean, STS has been around and some guys for decades now, so it's been part of like retrieval missions for some time. And it was also said to me that you know, they were involved potentially in the Rendersham incident as well, although back then they were known as Brand X, So that's

something that I'm still investigating as well. So yeah, I just find it really really interesting how these missions kind of like get put together, and it's something I'm still learning about.

the office in my former agency. And then like a few weeks ago when of my former colleagues sent me a message on Instagram and it was like a clip that went viral about like a Northern Irish like rugby manager who was doing a team talk in French because he wasna a French team. It was quite quite funny because he had such a strong Northern Irish accent speaking in French. It was it was a good one.

that's the part of the beauty of the UK. You know, so many regional accents stuff, which is great.

from the Miscellini era were real or not. But I mean what we did is when the David Grush allegations came out, this really lovely guy from Italy, who I mean. I remember when I was putting out the Magenta story, there was like one comment on X about this guy. He said, oh, my uncle, no, my great great grandfather or something like that was a Podesta at the time, and no one ever like saw it or caught onto it.

But I always remembered it in my head. So when the Dave Grush story came out, I got in touch with this guy again and three myself and my co writer for The Daily Mail, Josh Boswell, were able to let the story and I proved that, yeah, his granddad was a Podesta, which is basically like the head kind of like I believe, like police or secret police person

like in a region of Italy. And the story was always told for his family that you know, the great great grandfather had said that something had crashed in nineteen thirty three and that was like separate and that was before you know, like this story went viral, So that was always a story. So for me, that kind of like lended some credibilit behind the story that you had someone separate come out about that. So yeah, I think

there might be something behind it. I mean that there's you know that there's the allegation you know that I think I wrote about as well, that the Italians and Germans were working on reverse engineering this craft and during World War Two, and that effort after the war went to right Field where they worked as an American team continuing those efforts. So you know, the stuff I didn't report on that I couldn't corroborate as part of my story.

But you know, you have to think, you know, the timing is quite interesting, you know, especially if they were trying to reverse engineer this craft. You know they have been testing out as well. Let's say, so if they were testing a prototype, you know, that could have occurred around nineteen forty seven time. What crashed in nineteen forty seven, What was taken back to right Field in nineteen forty seven,

I don't know. It always makes you think, you know, it was the Roswell crash perhaps like a reverse you know, it was one of because it seems like there were two objects involved, but you know it was one of them kind of like a potential American asset that kind of like originated from German and Italian efforts. I mean, that's something that's been put on the table.

So it's the same technology. So I don't think it was a reverse engineered craft because making something like that fly we discussed this years ago on Cab it would have to be like a flying gas can. Because in order to project that much energy, even to make something hover and then to fly forward. Let's say that you could do that, the whole thing would have to be made of fuel. I mean, you wouldn't even be able to have a person and it then when it crashes

and you go to pick it up. The most distinctive thing that the people who picked those material up was said, this is not material we've ever seen before. It's very strong, but you can fold it and it goes back into shape. Well, the metallurgical aspects or properties of that metal would have been familiar to any American metal orgist that would have looked at it, so it wouldn't be something exotic that

they couldn't explain. And the whole thing that people don't get about Roswell is that if it's a weather balloon, which none of us believe that. Only just the biggest idiots and debunkers in the community believe that that it

was a weather balloon. But beyond that, even if it were a craft of some sort, there would be things about it that people could look at and touch and say, this has made of very similar metal properties as what an aircraft is made out of, like a wing segment, or or even at that time, if titanium were at that time. So that's why I don't think that in the late forties you would have had something that would have flown like that that people couldn't recognize as human built.

That's what when people see one of these things, you kind of like, you know, even when you see a ufou and there's been a couple of people in the chat now that have seen them, not the least of which is David. But when you see it, you kind of know that you're seeing something that's just out of this Courtney's seen one, you know, it's out of this world. I've seen one, you know, when I was a boy.

So it's one of those things. And now if you're actually able to pick it up and examine it and touch it, and there's occupants and there's you can you know, the most of it is still in one intact, you're going to be able to see if that's human made.

And and you know, you talk to people like Gary Nolan and uh he talks about isotopic ratios and things like that that are just we're not possible at that time, and even today would be you know, you might have to create some of these these parts in a space environment, in a vacuum free environment anyway. Uh yes, sir no.

And then there's another kind of like set of events in that there was like a dog fight and that's what happened and that's how two craft kind of like went down as well. And I find that quite interesting because we had the J. Barber interview and he was like saying that it looked like fighting. So it's interesting to consider every eventuality in terms of what may have happened there.

type of propulsion that was available back then. I've had somebody that tell me that they thought that that was a Nazi craft, and I'm just like, I'm sorry, I just I just don't think that would have been possible back then. But is it possible that they've reversed engineered some sort of craft and they're able to fly it? Sure, you know, I guess that's possible.

the early accounts of UAPs that were being seen. It's a very lengthy pdf that a lot of people ignore that is available in the Department of Defenses collection in the foyer room, essentially, and it is all about them going to Germany and trying to talk to people and find out what it was that Kenneth Arnold saw and determining essentially that it was not the flying wing and it was not from the Nazis.

like the early days of Igor Sikorski. So to take something that you would have to be able to hover and then make it fly would be absolutely enormous herculean feet at that time, and it would have again and if you crashed it, you'd look at it and you would understand that it has some sort of a gas turbine powered engine that made it lift off. If you did that, and it would have to be you wouldn't be able to go very far with it because the

amount of fuel that it would take. I want to also say with one thing about singular sightings and then UFO incidents like what was seen by you know, Jake Barber or any of these guys. What you're trying to do is to triangulate information. So risk Chris Rose story on Nagenta Italy and what does he have to triangulate that, Well,

he has Louel Zondo and his sources. Then he has the actual writings in Italian from the time that they've captured and there's the Italian journalists that have spoke to that, and then you have David Grush. So now you can triangulate that information and say, okay, now I have at least three sources to put this together that yes, there was a craft that crashed Magenta Italy in something like thirty three, and then it after the war has translated

the States. When you have a singular event like what happened to Jim Semivan, we don't have a try. We can't triangulate that story and say, okay, it has to be true. We have to trust that based on Jim and his clearance that he's telling the truth, just like anybody like Courtney's UFO story driving with her daughter to college.

You know, we have Courtney and we trust Courtney, so we have a tendency that we're going to believe what she's says say even though we can't triangulate it with Jake Barber because it now if he just told that story, Okay, Jake, that's great. We've never heard of this program you were in with where you're undercover. We don't know anything. Your GD two fourteen doesn't even say some of these things

that you say, So I'm you know, it's great. But now when you have other Tier one soldiers and airmen that are coming, now we can triangulate that story and say, now we have something valid here. Now we have something we can sink our teeth into. And that is what makes this story extraordinary. The difficulty people have with Dave is that, and I don't have any difficulties with Dave Grush whatsoever. Is that he came out his story and really you have Carlnell that said, Okay, this guy's legitimate,

but there hasn't necessarily been a triangulation. But then again, Louel Azando has said, you know, I worked in a jock with Dave and you know, and and also Dave brief President Trump, you know, during his last administration. So that's kind of what you're looking for when you're trying to evaluate. And Jake Barber has that triangulation of folks that are coming out to support him.

what in fact it is we are dealing with. And I wonder if that is also part of the complication with UFO disclosure. And you know, here I'm thinking with the Schumer Amendment, this UAP Review Board kind of collating this information, trying to make sense of it all. You know, I am of the opinion that with more folks coming out, like Jake Barber and others, we're going to get almost

I want to say, competing narratives. We're going to get some some different kinds of lanes of information because these programs didn't really talk to each other. And so how do you think that that's going to be What kind of challenged as that pose to someone who's trying to cover this or even to trying to explain it to the American people or the world, you know what, what kind of challenges that pose to kind of putting it all together.

precursor to the CIA. So then you're just tracking the history of you know, what it was, what happened, how it's name changed all through the years, basically, so you know that there's that element to consider. And then you see that you know, the these materials at Lockheed had, you know, they originated and they belonged to the CIA's

Office of Science Technology. But then from understanding now that the craft that get retrieved now are actually that they belong to the d o D that that's the custody. But then you know, the proportion system gets studied by elements within the d OE and yeah, and and they all have different roles to play. And if you know, the Office of Scientific and Weapons Research it's called upon to help, they will, but otherwise they can't really get

access unless asked by the d D requesting help. So the CIA basically used to be the only gaming or one of the only games in town. I get for the most power back in you know, the the late nineteen forties, early nineteen fifties, But since then, there's so many different kind of players involved now in terms of the UAP stuff like the combat support kind of like agencies as well, like the NRO, n g A and

stuff like that. So it's really really complex from from from what I hear in terms of how these things are done, and you know the role that's played by kind of like each element of the government and stuff, so it can get really really complex. And then obviously as well, you know, you look at the contractors involved in how they're put in charge of projects and stuff. And from understanding, you know, the US Air Force and the CIA have been working a long time on this.

They have an agreement where by the CIA transfers you know, these these craft, these CIA to US Air Force contractors. But then again, you know, it changes the dynamic changes when you conduct maritime missions, you know, and and it's all dependent on whether the craft yeah, and what what its capabilities are and stuff, you know, like was mentioned in one of the congressional hearings. You know, they have to make a decision of what contracts to send it to.

See so if it does kind of like have underwater capabilities that are very advanced, you might send it to General Dynamics for instance. You know, it's certainly sorry I go down such a hole here is so new a Man.

could be entirely different than an other agency's interpretation. And so it makes it very difficult for the public to kind of then go, well, what is the truth? You know, does anyone have a fulsome picture of what this all is? And I'm curious, you know, do you do you think there is anyone or any group that may have that more fulsome picture of what this all is?

that would be its prime mission. So I think in terms of understanding of who the non human intelligence are and what what their intent is and their original and stuff like that, I think CIA would be a good bet in terms of its mission kind of like answering those questions. But then again, if you're interested in the questions about the technology and stuff like that, you know it will be the d D and the DOE, the

natural abs and you know, the contractors. So but yeah, i'd also add to this, you know, it's it's no coincidence that Steve Justice kind of like got into this topic joining TTSA, you know, and TTSA had this kind of vision to build you know, their own kind of like craft, you know. So why would Steve Justice from Lockheed s Gunkwirks go along with this mad thing to kind of like reverse engineer and bring out a non technology based on non human technology and stuff like that

if it didn't exist. Like, he's a serious guy, you know, so why would he go along with that if it didn't exist? So yeah, kind of like add more weight to what Jake Barber was saying as well, in that you know, they have kind of made some big strides reverse engineering the craft. So yeah, that's interesting as well.

like intuitive as well. Like my breakthrough article was a story that got picked up by Christopher Mellen and Lula Zonda and they retweeted it back in like a few years ago now might in twenty twenty one. And you know, that article came about because I just kind of like had this need to write something, you know, because I was feeling really strongly about the AOIMSG and the Gillibrand Amendment. So you have this feeling and you write it, and then you go to bed, and then you wake up

the next day. You've got lots of messages from people saying, Wow, what an article. Chris Mellon's wanting to retweet it and stuff like that, and what is happening to my life? And then the next moment you've got people wanting to go on podcasts and stuff like that. So you go from kind of like nothing and not really well known to kind of like all of a sudden, like, oh, who's this person? And you know, the first operation times articles didn't even have my name on because I didn't

want to be anyone. I didn't want to be you know known. I just wanted to provide good information and yeah, kind of got out of control. I guess, Ah, it's.

means that he's resonating with them. I also want to say, just to summarize what he was getting at before, like, if you're wondering why some of your this is something that Chris broke that I never even considered, never even thought of this, And he said that if you're wondering why some of your elected representatives who are interested in UFOs have have had to back off in certain circumstances,

and I'm just gonna I'm not accusing anything. I'm just saying, what if there were certain agencies that were to contact that member of Congress and say, you know, if you push too hard on this subject, it would be really awful if information about you would be released to the public. And if you're a politician, you are going to back right the hell off if you have anything to hide it all, and most people do so. So I'll just leave it at that. I'll just leave it at that

without any further attribution. Yep. So what do you got for Christopher?

connected to it. Underground bases, the reconnaissance missions to collect objects that have fallen, objects that have come from space, that have been collected under programs like moon dust, so on and so forth, all of their all of these things have evidence connected to them. Why do you think people just still cannot handle it, cannot believe it despite all that evidence.

which is wow. And yeah, on underground bases as well. And yeah, I think I think that's really really interesting.

I remember, not not that it necessarily had to do anything about UAPs at all, but there was a story back in two thousand and four about some British special forces I believe, who had come to Mexico just like his tourists, and that's how they got into the country and they were basically caught in a cave system and they had actually got stranded there, and the Mexican authority is like really angry and it caused like a huge, huge, like diplomatic row be from Mexico and the UK at

the time, and it kind of like made you kind of question like what were these like British special Forces personnel doing in these caves in the first place in Mexico, Like why were they there? And they wouldn't accept help at all from the Mexicans. They didn't want them knowing what they were doing. So, yeah, you hear stuff like that, and yeah you hear about as well. It's like underground systems in the mountains in the kind of like the

Pyrenees area between France and Spain, you know. And it'd have been said to me as well that you know, there's like a link to this as well in terms of like RH negative blood and like when you look at the concentration of people who are RH negative, a lot of them live in that Basque area which is nearby.

So I don't know, like the way that I kind of like look at this story, you know, is I kind of like contemplate everything, and if I can corroborate them one day and get serious sources to like back it up and provide me like meat on the bone, then I can report them, you know, to my audience

and inform them. But I like to contemplate all these angles, you know, I've always got them in my head, and I try never to rule anything out because straight away, like a lot of the journalists, like in the UFO community have been involved previously kind of like rubbished, kind of like the Eric Davis stuff and you know, the Davis meeting that he had with Admiral Wilson. They've rubbished legacy programs and stuff like that, and they've just ruled

them out, and they put themselves in the corner. You know, they're like, this can't happen. This isn't what my source of dependican are telling me, and stuff like that. So you know, they kind of like dug their own graves and stuff. But you should never do that. I don't think you should ever rule anything out or dispute something or say that person's lying on this person's line, because the facts can always change. So it's always good love of torawl anything out. But always be on the lookout

for data and corroboration. So I'm sorry. I hope that answered your question. So I didn't want to go to off the path there.

us OS again? Is it undersea submersible objects and unknown submersible objects.

Navy career. So anyway, thank you, Paty Murphy. Uh Court, did you have a final question for uh?

we all know. So I'm just wondering, when you're working with sources, and I'm not you know, asking you to give up any sources or methods or anything, but when you're working with people who were former agency CIA partic curely, do you find that some of them or many of them have had experiences with the NHI and they, you know, in their narratives or in their discussions, they bring that to your attention or to the four Yeah.

kind of like experiences as well. So yeah, I do find that and especially like when you're taking into account like people working with the CIA, mean needs are gifted individuals to get where they are in the first place, and the CIA is looking for people who aren't just intelligent, you know, they've got to have something else, They've got

to think outside the box and become extraordinary. And you know, I was thinking that were they actually you know, like a lot of people and kind of like to stigmatize

people that have had experiences and stuff like that. But you know, like when you look back at history, you know you think of like John of Arc you know, like kind of has an experience and religious experience as a young girl and it transforms her and then she goes on to become a great leader and kind of like beat back US English from France, you know, and you have stuff like that. You know, that's that's that's a real world situation. It just so happened she was

inspired by that. You know, you look at Oliver Cromwell, you know, who got the king beheaded and started the Civil War and became like the law protector of England, you know, and you know, you look through his biography and you know he kind of like said that he had voices in his head and stuff like that, and God spoke to him and every kind of like you know, if you would to look at his diary and stuff like that would all be about, you know, be about

probably having voices in his head and stuff like that and thinking that God's telling him to do something, that that's his mission and stuff like that. Say, you know, a lot of people have had kind of like spiritual experiences who have gone on to do great things, and it's just accepted that this is part of history in terms of these experiences that have had you know, so the modern day kind of interpretation of that is kind of like to do a UAP, I guess, isn't it.

So I don't know why we stigmatize that, because we know that there's evidence that spiritual experiences does do happen, and they've kind of like played a major role in history and shaping the world that we live in today. So I always think about that, and you know, I think dev as Well mentioned about experiences before as well, that we shouldn't you know, we've got to be respectful

towards him, and I wholly agree. You know, I remember speaking to Peter Corey the Australian experience, you know, and you see the impact that it had on his life in terms of having that experience. You know, the guy went on TV, he did a lie detective test. You know, he found like I think it was two hairs as well from this being one of the beings that visited him got it tested. It's turned out extraordinary. But you know, you find out that his kids suffered from bullying at

school and stuff on that and his life. Nothing good of that came from here, you know, came of that for him. You know, it made his life a lot harder. But and this is why many people that do have experiences haven't spoken out. And I believe that there are members of Congress as well, there are experiences that haven't

come out as well. You know, just from my perspective, just because I haven't been an experiencer like many others do, you know, and many others basically will just make fun of them stuff like that because it's not happened in their life before. But that's like a really really dangerous

path to go on on. You know. This is kind of how we got ourselves involved with the initial response in COVID, you know, because a lot of people didn't didn't take it seriously at first, you know, when it came to COVID, because it had never happened in their experience before. They had never experienced a pandemic before. So because it had never happened in their life before, it is outside there experience, they didn't take it seriously. And I think the same thing applies to UAP as well.

Just because you have an experience in your life before doesn't mean that it's not real, and it's a psychological trap that people fall into. I feel, Chris.

told before. So yeah, I've got a wife and I've got two kids that I loved, and I can't just think of myself when it comes to this. I've got to think about my family as well. And yeah, and I know that a lot of people that I'm in contact with have been told, you know, their phones might be bugged and stuff like that. Well, their phone calls might be listened to potentially due to being in contact with me. So you have those conversations from time to time.

But I mean for me, because of like you know, I'm a full time dad basically for the most part, I'm taking my kids to score and changing nappers and stuff like that. I'm doing two jobs and just trying my best basically to stay above water in my daily life. So luckily, it doesn't really give me time to ponder that too much, which is a saving grace for me as well. So yeah, but it's definitely tough because you know, sometimes you do think should I just give up? It? Is this worth it?

many other friends who helped me. And there was one time I remember I was just going to quit Twitter and quit journalism because a journalist I'd really looked up to just basically went crazy at me and started like throwing all these horrible abuse at me online where it felt like that anyway, and it really upset me because I'm like, well, actually, if one of my icons doesn't like me and it's criticizing and stuff like that, I just can't be bothered. I've just done with this. I

don't live for this, you know. And you know, I got a call from lou Lula Zondie, you know, and he just picked me up, you know, and he was like, don't worry about it. You're doing a great job, but you know, you've got to get back on there, we need you and stuff like that. Yeah, it's just kind of like it's great to have people like that, you know, who do do inspire you. And yeah, you are going to get people in the community, especially for their journalists

and stuff like that, who do attack you. And it's like that, you know, but you've just got to rise above it at the end of the day, and you've just got to carry on reporting the truth. And you know, if any of your stories are inaccurate, you've got to You've just got to correct them, you know, or update them. And I've always done that when the facts change, I'll update the story, you know, because the main thing is that my audience is well informed. You know, we've discussed

it already, you know. I think I've got a pretty good track record from reporting breaking the news of the NASSA UAP study to the first hearings that happened in decades, to plenty of other stuff as well.

just focused on. And yeah, so that's always my drive. It's the information. It's the value of the information, not my personality, nothing else about me. It's the information and whether you can trust it.

the guy from Tick Tuck's great. He called because everyone was supposed to call their local representatives, and it just so happened that Dan Warren's local representative was Tim Burchett, and I got a message from Dan Morren basically saying, look, my member of like Congress has got in touch with me after he reached out to him saying he's really interested in this and he wants to reach out and get connected to Lulas on day and I was like, oh gosh, I don't I don't know Lou, but I

can introduce him to the other Lou Lou him and Hez and Dan got in touch with Lou, him and Az and then Lou Jiminais introduced them. That was that, you know, and see, it's that stuff happens all the time with Lou. I remember I was in London with him once as well, just standing outside a pub and this guy walks past. He I know you you're from you know this TV show? You know you're the whistleblower and stuff like that, and the guy went on to be his agent.

they free potential routes that Trump takes action. Now, Trump is forced into action with new people coming forward and the new Dan Barrar documentary as well, So he's forced into action because the credibility of the people and the information is so serious incredible. He's forced to do that, you know. Or we've got the skywatchers as well, so you know, Jake is basically you know, don't just don't

just like, just don't just believe what I say. I'm gonna, you know, I'm gonna, I'm going to verify, you know, I'm gonna. I'm gonna, you know, summon these craft and bring them down, you know, through that and get them invited into land. So let's see what happened, you know. So we've got different potential routes disclosure. We're just hoping that, you know, it speeds up.

He was a Boston cop. She dropped him off at the home of another Boston cop after they were partying with a group of cops, and essentially she was accused of backing up over him at twenty four miles an hour and hitting him, and none of nobody would approach the home because this Boston cop was quite powerful and his family in the town was quite powerful. Sound a little bit like England with those sort of class you know things. His family dominated the town and so basically

they arrested her for murder. But none of the injuries that are on this Sadly, this officer named John O'Keeffe. The anniversary of his death is about four days from now. None of the injuries are consistent with being hit by a six thousand pound SUV at twenty four miles an hour. They're indicative of being smacked on the back of the head with a big gash on his head, dogs on his arm, and some abrasions as if he was in a fist fight, but no broken bones and no bruises

on his body from being hit by a car. So because they didn't want to approach the homeowner, they decided to make the fall girl, this single forty something woman who's a college professor that was dating this cop. So that's Karen Reid, and they the first trial ended in a hung jury, so they're going to try her again. And that's kind of like most of the people you see in the audience here, with the smattering of our UFO audience as well.

he's a YouTuber as well. He brought this case to the national media and so the police, the prosecutor, and one of the witnesses in the case, one of the women who was in the home when John O'Keefe was killed, when after a Turtle Boy and when she found court documents that represented a restraining order that was filed by the Albert family, she gave that to Turtle Boy himself and she actually didn't do it, but they accused her

of doing it and they fired her. So we're going to have her on to talk about her experience there and her life before that as a private investigator before she went to work for the court. So very courageous woman. Chris, your stuff will be in the show notes, all of your stuff, Liberation Times, your Twitter as it always is. And I can't thank you enough for being here, brother, No.

and I know that that takes a toll. So really appreciate that you're doing all of that, and know that you've got fans here that are very supportive of that time and energy. And also we wish your family the best. It's great to hear that everyone's doing well, and I hope you have a wonderful weekend.

back on. We do love you and I look forward to speaking with you again.