Calling all beings, y'all, let's get it. Can I get a man for calling all beings? We are back on our own channel, baby, not playing no kind of games with you. Calling all beings is back, even though I'm solo, because guess what, mo Nae Nathan, my brother Monddy Nathan is overdoing as your pian tour this summer with the fan. He's going to Amsterdam, He's going to Belgium, He's going to Paris. I don't know where all his brother's going to. I only know I wish I
was there, and then I'd also being Inglaterra to visit my home. He's over there, So I am DJ. I'm I am Courtney less, Nathan less, deb less, but Courtney may join and I think deb will join after the the Father's Day festivities. So Happy Father's Day to all the dads out there, whether you in the USA or not. Because ready or not, here I come, just like Lauren Hill. Anyway, CAB is very excited to be back on its own channel. We have a lot of exciting
guests lined up. But you know what, we do have a co host DuJour, which is sort of like you know, the French onion soup of today with the little toasted you know, Crewton on top with the cheese and the onions underneath, and that crew time right there is none other than the man one of the greatest hosts in this medium right here. This brother got all kinds of things going on, and he is none other than Vinnie Adams. For Vinnie Adams appreciated, DJ, I appreciate the envibement. I'm so
happy to be here. And yeah, Retty Staked, it's an honor to have you. You're gonna get the first question before you have to split. But so before we get into that kind of business, we got to introduce our guests here. How would you describe our first guest here, this man who is from the Shamrock Island there north west of England. I mean, he's just a real positive, big voice out there in the UFO community. If you ever see a post from this gentleman, it's always well worth reading.
He's got a great voice right outlook, and I think he's just such a valuable contributor to the conversation and to the topic as a whole. Fearless he is like a lion for MW. Lookout man, because this boy, he's on you man, so put your hands together for Ireland's premiere you can excuse me premiere U a p UFO advocate and also an advocate for autism. We're gonna get into that later in the show. Put him together for Rob sharing. Happy Father's Day, Jans. Happy your dog loves you. Thank
you so much, dig it man. Happy Father's Day to you, Rob. I know how often you guys all talk about your kids. It's just so obvious how much you love him, and and we illustrated the other day how much your dog loves you, by the way he looks at you. What's his name? My dog? Call yeah, Callie? Awesome? What's
up? Girlfriend? Is dj uh? Anyway? All right? Uh, let's bring on our next guest, because this guest right here is the one who's gonna land us one of the members of you two to talk about UFOs but with but let's what but let's bring on the next The next guest right here is the writer, editor, owner operator of Liberation Times. He has been cited by helped the Debrief, George Knapp, Jeremy Corbel, Ross Coultart.
Everybody is talking about this man because he has developed contacts and has gone and made him and his journal's voice a huge voice in this community, and so such that that susan Off knows him uh and exchanges emails with him. So parted people put those hands together for Christopher UK. Sure, yeah, thank you so much. What's Christopher sharp baby here? About me and Lincoln and his son Lincoln? How's it going from Inn? Congratulations on having a
new sister. He's gonna be a podcaster. I feel like I feel like we have the beginnings of a podcaster here, all right, So guys, hopefully the ladies are going to join me. But I want to jump right into what I thought we'd start off with, what's going on in the UAP news and community. And and I'm giving yielding my question, my first question to the Senator from from Stratford upon Avon. So Vinnie, sir, thank you so much. Great to see you guys, And I'm going to keep
the first question with today's theme. It's Father's Day. We're all fathers. DJ's got his K nine kids and but yeah, Rob and Chris, I really want to know if you've ever had any kind of strange moment where the two worlds have collide collided, UFOs and fatherhood. You know, have you had a funny conversation with the kids about UFOs, Has anything strange like that come up? Ever, that's a great question. No, please go.
I want to hear about your experience, please all the time, all the time, at dinner time, when we're out walking, we talk about it. I want to get the kids opinion on it. And they're all very open about it, and they all think it's pretty cool. They're very they're very scientific in their their narrative around. They just love the idea of it. They love the diversity of it. They love the fact that it's to do with nature, the fact that it could be a species, whatever it
may be. So they're open minded to it. They're more open minded to it than I have. I have the conversation all the time, and they know him right here. I have them locked away because they're always on their phones and they're always in bold. But no, they're they're great. They love the subject. We're only talking about it today. Amazing. Yeah, that's so good. Love it. Yeah, and tell them everything with the legislation, I tell them everything. And how old are they? Thirteen and
twelve? Sorry, thirteen and eleven. I'll be killed for what an awesome age. That is right before they get to their older teenage years when they start to like really have their own life and shut you out and become rebellious. So that's just a brilliant age. That's awesome. Huh. They're getting there, They're get they're getting close. I mean they're they're really close. They're really close. But I think you have, you know, another year
or two left before they start driving and all that stuff. Luckily they don't drive till they're at least sixteen. Well, yeah, we haven't the one who's driving. We've got a lot of two more. Oh really, yeah, we have one in Canada and the one who's just finished school. You don't look old enough to have that forty seven in January, you're what, I'm forty seven in January? Yeah, you still look really young. Same age as me, same age as you're forty seven to I'm forty seven in
October. Wow, you guys are so much older. Chris. Do you have a tissue anyway? All right, I'm pulling it together from six A right, daddy? Is it's funny? A? Yeah? Oh definitely. The junior senator from London right here or wherever, he's moved to wherever you what town are you now or can you say no, I'm still in London. We're looking for me that day, so we'll see what happens. So space, my village of Fordham, my former village of Fordham, Cambridge here
would welcome you. So anyway, Chris, Well, any interesting conversations that you're able to have yet with at least Lincoln about the topic, or even that you and your wife have would be interesting to me. And my wife is like, oh, do you want to hear about my UFO stuff? No, don't for me, I'm watching my dramas. Go back, go back to your UFO stuff, go to your computer. Just don't ask me. I'm watching my shows. Yeah, that's how much it is with my
with my wife, I don't want to hear about it. It's yeah. And then with Lincoln, do you talk about you? What about our conversations? Thinking we don't already go deep into do we think him about my iPad? Probly really spot and I will want to one more about them? So much more about them? Yeah, amazing, Okay, So it's there, it's there, I mean right, So out of the four of us, Vinnie's the only one that can have a discussion with his partner about the phenomenon.
So, yeah, that's what I said. I can't either my wife be like I watch my Brazilian soap. I know want to talk to this now. I can barely talk to it. Sometimes you can get talk about Bigfoot a little, but yeah, she's not interested in this. So I totally understand, Chris. I thought another good place to start would be, can you kind of give us an update on what's happening in terms of disclosure legislation? Like where can you give us an overall picture of where the movement's
at right now? Just before he does data, I'm gonna dip out. I have a very important football match coming up in the next get prepped. If it was Moto GP, I'd be doing the same thing, man, I'd be like, Amen, I gotta go again. I feel you. Man. I so glad that I got to jump in and say hello to you. I'm really really glad that what's going to be a great conversation. Enjoy the game. I appreciate it, brother, Take care, cheers. So I mean in terms of the where we are currently is that it's kind
of like last year again. Zero language in terms of up has come out of the House, and we're hoping to get a new amendment coming from the Senate which can be added to the National Defense Authorization APP based on the Shumer U A P disposed acts last year. So look, we'll see where where that goes. I mean, we were hoping to get that language. It's never a certain these things aren't, but it's more than likely that we'll get
some more UAP language from from the Senate, which is fantastic. I don't know if it's going to contain things like eminent domain, things that were quite controversial last time. Even though the fact is eminent domain there is a precedent for this in US law can be used anytime. But it was just basically there as like the charrot and the stick. Basically you had eminent domain like as a stick and as the carrot kind of like had amnesty provisions in some
previous language that was proposed. So look, so yeah, let's see what we get. But I think in terms of a bigger picture, we just don't know what's going to happen in conference. It's likely again that we could face opposition from a representative Turner and until he's proposed as the chair of the Intel Committee. It doesn't look like we're going to get anywhere. So I can imagine people get pretty excited about the language coming out of the Senate if
it's you know, a UAPDA version two. But look, unless you can get the House to agree on it, then you're not going to get anywhere in terms of getting implemented within law. I mean, things could happen. I mean from my understanding last time, I think Admiral sorry, Vice Admal Tim godlet Wi will basically say that that you need more support from the President, from the National Security Council to get it through, you need more determination
from the Senate and humor as well. If you don't fight for this, you're not going to get it through. So yeah, and then on the other side, as I said, you know, you've got Representative turn still there, and I don't know, and he seems to me on a different side of the Republican Party from Donald Trump and his kind of wing of it.
And we've heard of too new appointments with that Senate Intelligence Committee which could undermine Turner because these are kind of like MAGA people basically, And look,
they're on the opposite side of the Republican Party. I mean, you know, turn is kind of like a country your country club Republican, you know, in it with private industries like that, you know, smoking a cigar, playing golf with his buddies and stuff, you know, and he's a very very different kind of like type of Republican to you know, your representative lunars and people like that. So I mean, those people are kind of like populous, you know, and they're kind of like a threat to him
in a way. So look, there's a chance if Trump is elected, we could potentially see Turner deposed from the chairmanship of that committee or even the vice chair depending how the Republicans get on in the House election. So there's lots to keep an eye on. Keep an eye on obviously the presidential election coming up in November, but also keep an eye on those House and Senate contests because that will give you an idea of who's going to have control of
the key committees in the House and Senate. You know. So, for instance, if the Republicans win the Senate, you may end up with Rubio chairing the Senate Intelligence Committee again, which is fantastic because he's an advocate, but you were getting good language from the Senate anyway. But yeah, and it's the Democrats win. I mean, you could have times being the chair
He doesn't seem that great. But look, last time the Democrats had held a chairmanship within the House, you ended up with a UAP hearing within the House Committee. So potentially we could see a bit more progress under the Democrats. And then, as I said, the other scenario is that Trump wins the presidency and he basically puts pressure to pose Turner from the chairmanship of that House committee if the Republicans win the House and they have a majority there.
Apologies, that's quite a long answer, but that's where we're at at the moment. And in terms of hearings you may have seen from Matt last wead that we're not expecting anything from the House until after recess, so that was likely September or onwards. It could be kicked down even further following the presidential elections. Senate. I haven't heard anything on that yet, but potentially that
could be quite a big thing. And if any of you care about America, please don't base all your hopes on which person you think is going to be the most likely to disclose UAP to the world between like Trump and Biden, because we have a lot bigger fish to fry in our country than just UAP disclosure. There are a lot more issues and implications with real, real world effects, and I don't think either of them. I agree with Chris.
I think if they if they wanted this to happen, meaning whomever is in the executive whether it was Trump or whether it's Biden, or whether it's Trump, or it's gonna be one of the two. Again, I don't know that they're gonna necessarily become a champion for disclosure because it's They may not see it as in their interest to do so. But there are a lot bigger issues. Before we go on to Robert, let me say hi to Robert's fellow countryman, James Gaffney way up at the top high James, welcome.
I wish I could say that with an Irish accent, but Rob can do it for me. Can I just say? James is one of the nicest people in the commuta. I loved them one day. He's so awesome. He's been invited to come on, so hopefully when we do another round table, he'll he'll sit at the in the Irish part of the round table alongside Rob. That would be awesome. Paranormal Pixie Lara, haven't seen her
in forever. From Albuquerque, how's it going, Lara? Mick is here, also from the uk uh street fighting man as the as the Rolling Stones might have called him, also a paranormal guy. And non Et is here. What's up Holmes? Julie is probably busy today. I'm not sure where the Jewel of the Nile. And someone named Lasso is here? Hello Lasso? How you doing home girl? Welcome? All right? Robert uh thought?
Do you have thoughts? Did you want to tag onto Chris? Or did you want me to ask your first question that I want to ask you? Yeah? No, I agree with Chris. I mean I've been speaking to people that have been speaking to him, that have been speaking to other people that they know, and it's pretty much the same understanding of what's happening and what's going on the road, you know, So I have nothing really to out there. It's pretty much what it is. Yeah, I've told
Chris. I think we had a phone call like a week ago when I asked him if he wanted to come on this, and I told him I think they put that eminent domain in there to make sure would fail. And I don't know. I haven't seen anything that makes me think otherwise. I think it makes people look like well, first of all, in the chat,
can does has anyone seen the early Bruce Springsteen album? Tell me that Chris Sharp does not look with his hair today like that Bruce Springsteen because he started singing at first, he didn't react and he started singing a Bruce Springsteen song. And for those who don't know, Chris is really knowledgeable about rock music history, really knowledgeable, and that includes American Rocket. So so shout
out to the boss. You totally look like you could be chilling in Nraspberry Park in the late seventies or early you No, like, there's a really really good song. I mean it's Thomas. You better stop kicking my dog around like we got somebody. I will get some of these screenshots off YouTube so we can make a comparison on Twitter of Bruce Springsteen before he started like
really muscling up for that born in the USA. So just just like going back to you, you can just add in terms of in terms of president of the United States, this is true Prime minister as well in the UK elected officials. It seems to me that it's been a very very long time since a prime minister or a president actually had firm grip of the civil service and the intelligence agencies and absolute control of them and knows what's happening and stuff.
And I I mean, I was listening to an interview of a former official, an actual advisor to Boris Johnson a few weeks ago, and he was basically saying that he visited g h Q up in Cheltenham and he visited m I six and he was speaking to people and they were like, you know, no one ever from the government or you know, working for the Prime Minister or MP has ever visited us like the last thirty years or so, Like they don't know what's going on, so it doesn't seem that they've
got a grip. And I would also mention as well that I mean, we're talking about serious people. There's a lot of people from the CIA involved
in this, and these are serious people. We're talking about people who send other people up, don't say anything, but you know you don't want to mess with them basically, And you know, Tucker Carlson will say and others have told me as well that you know, people within these intelligence committees are actually quite scared of these people from the CIA because they have information on them. Were just compromising. And I would say that's compliment as to call it
exactly, and I would say that's true of the President as well. I would say that's true members of the National Security Council and others who are supposed to be holding an account. Instead of all holding these intelligence agents's account and asking for transparency, I think the situation is they're actually quite scared of them. Can I tell you something, guys, I have never ever thought of that relative his topic, Chris, I just want to I have never ever
thought of that. Had you thought of that? Rob? No, absolutely not. I just had a thought actually about USOS because I'm always talking about UAP. I think if there's going to be hearings after the summer recess, I think if USO was part of that conversation at Tim Galadet might be upfront and center in terms of addressing it in the public in the formal Very good point, USOS. Keep the question in mind again, think about the practicalities.
We've discussed it with the opposite Goo Black says in terms of something crashes in Kenya for contested territory. Now think if something crashes under the water, you know most of the air services water. What happens if it crashes in the ocean or if it's foundation, What are the practicalities then? What ships do you send out? What are the organizations involved? Who makes the decisions? Is it just DoD is it DoD Intelligence Services? Just keep that in
mind as well. I also want to say this partiers that are in the chat here. If you have a question for Christopher Sharp or Rob please put it in all caps and I will fire it after them. Chris, recently, your friend who is the Australian brilliant award winning journalist who is now a news nation and if you could say his name with the voice of Sean Bean, can anybody do that? Chance? Ross Cortat? Is that right? Because he's where's he from? Is he from? Where he's from? Castle
russ Cotat? Is he is he? I thought he was a yorkshire Man. His name could be wrong, wrong, gonna be like reed, like kicks out of a poll. Recently did you see that you said it was a mang union and he was a yorksremn that problem again. I didn't know. Yeah, like I didn't. I heard Davy Johnson and Dave Smothers once going at it about it. I didn't. I thought it was a joke, man, I didn't realize there was drama between Yorkshire and Manchester. Yorkshire.
Oh wow, wow, Christopher Sharp, I'll tell you about the hair and now that one, Chris, that's two points for Gryffindor so the European So I don't mind losing today, I know, man. Last time we had just come off of the rugby the what do they call the Six Nations in Ireland? Oh my god, man, I got questions to ask you about that robot that needs to be on a private phone call. So Chris Ross Coulthard talked about he interviewed in Australian Special Forces operator who was on loan
to the SAS. Just like special Operations, they do these four year swaps. We did them on the air side with England. England does them with Australia, et cetera, et cetera. So the question to you is he said that he had participated in a crash retrieval while on loan to the SAS in England. I'd like to know if you've done any work on that and if not, just what are your general thoughts about it? Yeah, yeah,
I think he was a foreign materials program. And I remember La Maguire, the MP from Canada, wrote a letter to the Minister of Defense. I think it was Anita Nan, her name was. She's no longer min Defense, but he wrote a letter basically acquiring about the program between EAT five eys allies, which is an easy than Canada, Australia, UK and USA. And it seems, you know, they've got a very very close intelligence relationship and it seems to me that there is some kind of collaboration there,
especially where they're working together. So you look at places like a rap we have perlition forces together. We had the recent case or the UAP shot down by the ARIF about it was three years ago or so over Syria. So you know, when you have situations like that, wise it makes sense to actually coordinate and work with your allies on that interms the intelligence services. This
is a very really complex situation with crash retrievals. It's not just off as a global access and those are the guys that do want one hundred percent of the time. It's dependent on the situation, your eyes and ears on the ground, your allies who are at work, because they may have better expertise at doing this nearby than you do. There might be a detachment of sas
nearby, for instance, that might make sense. It might make sense to actually go through the five eyes allies instead of actually using some other way of doing It's dependent. And you know, I said as well, if it happens in the water, for instance, that's a different setup as well. So I think it's really really complex when it comes to these operations. I won't pretend that I have the complete picture, that I'm an expert of it.
But what we're talking about here is we're talking about numerous layers of bureaucracy. We're talking about people that you've never heard of, and I'd likely never heard it before, who are involved in these operations that you know, we're talking about people overseeing these things, you know, people who are in the CIA's Director of Science and Technology. So you can get really really complex. And also I will add this as well, Okay, what about this?
What about if a retrieval takes place on a object of unknown origin, which seems very re advanced. It could be dishaped something like that. You don't know what it is. You send j sockeyin, you send the essays in, you don't know what it is. And then what happens is that you then go for the CIA. The CIA sends it to a contractor or someone
else sends it to a contractor. The contractor will then do the analysis, and then it's the contractor like a Lockeed Martin and someone like that will then determine what the origin will be and that will likely be a likelihood as well, like who can say one hundred percent that's from you know, this Narsis or something like that. You know, you'll just like say, okay, we've got moderate confidence, you know, high likelihood that it's non human origin.
These are the properties involved, these are the technologies involved. So that's the problem. So that throws up another problem. You know, so the government can plausibly state that we have we don't have anything of non human origin. We haven't found it non human origin because the government hasn't done the determination. The government hasn't done the analysis. They provided to a private company that
does the analysis instead, so they have deniability. So this is something that could be in every case though, Man, I really it's just ampy because there's too many you know, all the work that Georgia's done on stuff that had happened in area fifty one, I just can't buy that they need that
plot because here's why you don't have to have that for plausible deniability. And I'll give you I'll give you one simple reason if if if you needed that, then I could just send a Foyer or John Greenwall could just Foyer classified UFO prokes, Well, you have to tell me, Well, it's classified, so we're not going to tell you. Otherwise, anybody, a foreign agent who was posing as an American citizen could make a you know that had
papers, could just foil something and get classified info. So classifieds class. It doesn't need plausible deniability to be classified secret. Otherwise you could just say, well, tell me all your TTPs that you use for the bin loaden Range been loaden range, because I want to know, so I'm going to foy it. Well, we're not going to tell you. If you put into context where an investigation had happened as part of the scenario contingency plan,
if you had that as a fallback. You're okay, because you're in front of Congress, you're testifying under oath, So if you have plausible to notability, that's your influence. Say that again, Rob, I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. Okay, so something be classified and that that negates
the plausible deniability side. However, if somebody is put under oath as a contingency plan to protect that individual from reprisal, well then they could say, well, I don't learning about this, and there's your plausible deniability as insurance for that person to protect them on your oath. It's you've already seen Grus say I can't talk about that, you know, talk about X, Y and Z in this environment. You know, I can't. You know.
So there were certain within the four corners of his his agreement through the Dopster process. I can talk about this, but it classified. You heard Carlnell. You know, Carlnell said I didn't tell you this, but he's not going to tell you everything that he knows. So I don't want to say this. You don't need plausible Do they need plausible deniability in England to not tell you that, hey, we don't know anything and we don't have a pro when you clearly know that, as we just discussed, they have a
program where they've retrieved crap. They don't need plausible deniability. They could just
say we're not gonna talk about it. It's classified from now until the next century, and they're they're not necessarily going to tell you about that unless until it gets declassified somehow or somebody violates their oath and takes a risk, which is what half the people in the community are hoping for on any given day that someone risks going to jail and says something, yeah, yeah, I think it's just different layers, you know, like that, that's just one
facet of it. So from that perspective you can say that potentially, but as well, you know, like when we reported about the others global access, you know, a source told us the Department of Energy, Natural labs and Materials and this contractors whenever republic radio isotapes are involved, but not always just radio isotpe materials. So look, whenever it's radioactive material and whatnot,
you know that will go to the labs and stuff. So anything covered by that would be covered by the Atomic Energy Act and all the secrecy and stuff behind that, so you've got that as well. But also both things can be true though both there can be craft in both places in the hands of both is what I'm saying. And what people will say is that a private contractor has all of them because for plausible deniability, And I strongly disagree that that's the case, and I've stated why no, no, I don't.
I don't think that's the case, like completely, one hundred percent. I'm just saying that's one of the facets behind it. It can be, you know, if they're doing the analysis on some occasions, and I know, and I've been caught of one one one one program where that is the case where they do the analysis, and I'm just thinking, when it comes to that program, then but do you see what I mean, Like, you know, you have Office Global Access Contest Territory, you have the Unsea Domain.
That's a different program by different federal holders. So there's a different process involved in each one, you know, and some materials will be taken to the DOE, for instance, the natural labs, and then some will be taken to contractors. So it's so complex, and you know, in all honesty, I'm still just trying to navigate navic navigate through this at the moment, and I went web. I quote Glue when he when he spoke about this years ago, he said, this is like a tangle, as you
said, like it's a tangled web. It's a tangled ball of string, and within the tangled ball of strings or tangles within tangles. And what we're going through right now is just unraveling all those different tangles bit by bit by bit. And speaking of tangled web and and balls of strength, I also want to say I'm also a cat dad, because I was I was described as being only a dog dawn. I want my cats to be upset Bellows is here. You know what's funny is we had on those of you who
have watched CAB, I've known the host of Meredith for real. Meredith has been on with us probably half a dozen times. She's a brilliant host. And when I asked her if she was a mom, and I saw that because she had done modeling shots with kids, so I thought those were her kids, but it turns out she's also a model. And she said a plant mom. I'm a plant mom. And I almost burst out because I'd never heard of a plant mom. But Meredith's got that kind of humor.
Anyway, I got to get this in from Mick because Mick is an og of the program, and then I got to go to Rob with my next question. Does Chris Sharp like the Libertines? And how do you play both roles? In plain sight? So do you know who the Libertines are? Chris? Yeah, yeah, I've actually got a photo with Pete does like me and my friend went like the dart he's like one of the singers of the Libertines. And yeah, we went to like an event in East London
to watch him being interviewed by his book and after him. So yeah, big LIBSS fan, definitely. Okay, you haven't seen in the same place, so we know that you're not him. Okay, okay, I'm just checking el Polpo Gundoff if I'm saying that right, which is a really cool name. I don't know how he came up with El Polpo. I don't know if either of you prefer pulp in your orange juice or not. But anyway, thank you very much for sharing the live stream. I do appreciate
that. Uh and man, I didn't think I'd have to hold this down without the ladies but here here I be anyway. Rob. The thing that that that intrigues me about you is I always like these sort of origin stories when it comes to your fervor for your in terms of your advocacy of the phenomenon, And I'm curious, where was that born, Where was the genesis point of your advocacy of the phenomenon? Where this became a very very important
thing in your life. I think when it became a serious discussion around witness testimony by professional aviators that spoke about this within the context of the nuts and boats data and very much to science, evidence based driven individual But in my career, I'm very much an advocate, and I think that's what brought Lou and I together in conversation and how we got our friendship going. Because he's an advocate. You know, he's an advocate for what he does and he's
still is an advocate for what he does. And so I believe in truth to power and I really really relate to David Grush where he's at and where you guys are in terms of what you're doing. It's always been my passion. I think I'll get it. For my mum, she's been an advocate for disability in the past. She was the one that stirred me in the right direction from from a laboratory scientist to an advocate for autism. And I
don't like to conflate the two. Autism and disbelieve two different things. But I like to empower truth and I like to ensure that you know, data gets out there and that is spoken about, and that there's no stigma around science. There seems to be this comfortable bubble where if everything is known to science, it's okay, we're finne there, but there's no progression with no question. And so for me, it's it's about following the question and following
that data. And when people smear it with stigma, I don't do that. Well, it's like, no, no, stop, stop there, because you don't know what you don't know. So what I see with with trolls on Twitter, they say, nahna, this is ridiculous. It is no such thing as aliens, little green men, blah blahlah. And I'm like, well, okay, you're arguing with me to say that there isn't. But I'm arguing with you to show me the data that shows why you
think that. And you know, we only know what we know, and now we're moving into an area where you know, there's a truth there, there's a known there, and we should be all coming together to find out what that is rather than trying to dismantle it and put it down to something that they don't know what it is. So I don't like bullies. I'm a big believer in advocating for people. I'm a big believer in advocating for the individuals who have been you know, called names over this. You can
call them experiencers, whatever you want to call anybody. But the fact is there's a truth out there that we don't know, and I think it's worthy of our attention and it's worthy to have that conversation within the science context. So that's my that's my reason why I can't let things go. Yeah. I And so, by the way, Gandalf, while the ORCS shall not pass, your comment will pass. We'll get that up on screen again, right, remember orcs? And yeah, remember the Lord of the anyway,
So I'm curious. So it seems like you are the type of dude who is standing up to a schoolyard bully to me, in you feel like people are being marginalized or the topic is being marginalized, and I feel like you're standing in front of the bully and saying, okay, you know, come through me. Yeah, I mean, I mean, like fair enough. If you want to get physical, let's get physical, but like let's have
a conversation. Olivia Newton John said that. To make sure you quote credit Olivia Newton John, we will we will put that in the show notes good. But like you know, if we if we didn't have the question and we didn't explore the question and be comfortable and open minded about discussing it, well, then you're stopping science from evolving. And science is continuously evolving all the time, and we should allow it evolved because whatever we're experiencing, whatever
we're talking about now, has got something to do with nature. There's obviously a symbiotic relationship there, and we just need to figure out what that is and what does that mean for us. And you know, I just can't let it go. And if people want to dismiss that and call themselves scientists, I believe exactly what Gary said, they should be stripped off their PhD. A PhD isn't something that you put on the wall and say, oh, I'm done now. PhD is a mindset, it's the curiosity, and
that's the basis of the framework of science. So I'd say it's something that Chris and I would like to put on our wall, wouldn't you, Chris a PhD Doctor Christopher Sharp, that's not gonna come any time. See, my son likely has an opportunity, but who knows, man what happens, and he's off at college and you're like, yo, I'm bored. I want to go back to school. You never know, I graduated there. You go the University of Winchester's own. So Chris like, I feel like
Rob has a deeper connection to the phenomenon that he's not telling us. Do you agree there's something he has a deeper connection No, okay, maybe telling me. Well, after watching Rob numerous times my television screen the nineties from you, I was just like, there was a redhead lady who's going to join him for this interview. But uh, we do cosplays from time to time. You know, we're we're all about we are all channeling all these
different popular we've We've had two for Sharp so far. It was about time we got to Rob because when I see Rob. I'm seeing like Larry Mullen Jr. At the drum Kit for you. Did I tell you I met Bono? Yeah, you did tell me you met Bono. Where was that? I don't remember? Where was it in a Was it pub? I was? I was in my twenties. I was twenty three and a few my mates and I decided to join the Gaily School of Drama. We're calling faraway for the gas and we did it, and we did a few months
of it. And I was standing outside a restaurant next door to it. It was a Greek restaurant. It's still there, and this this small guy comes over to me with long hair and he asked me for a light because I don't smoke, and I said, sorry, I don't smoke. And then my mates just went that's fun. I was like, are you Bono? We just started talking. It was very odd. Yeah, like I'm
able. I've composed myself around a lot of famous people in you know, either when I was in LA or New York or whatever, but I don't think I've actually talked to Sean Lennon one time in a bar. But in a bar, I mean, yeah, with his high school mates. It is really bizarre. Now why he and his high school mates were in a bar after school on the Upper East Side or wherever the hell west side wherever we were, I don't know, but but yeah, it's anyway I've talked
to. But seeing Bono in person would be just I mean, I don't even know how you. Only only Brandon Fugel can handle that apparently, right. Uh yeah, how how are you come out to the ransom time? So nice to meet you, bonn Uh? Anyway, Chris, Chris, you your connection with the phenomena? I don't know if we've talked about that in a long time. You've shared things with me personally, I don't know what you share publicly, So I'm not gonna share anything that you that we've
discussed. But what is your what is your connection to the phenomenon if you don't mind no, no, no, yeah, Like my my brother and my cousin and my mom, I've all had experiences with the phenomenon. They've just had sightings one of my family members that they had an abduction experience or something like that. And my mindset is always kind of like, I'm not gonna I'm not I'm not gonna judge you know, I'm going to like approach
it as I approach everything else. I'm going to investigate data is data, and let's see where the data takes us, you know. But yeah, I mean I talk to a lot of experiences people who tell me, you know, privately, that they have experiences with creatures abducting them and stuff, and you know, they just tell me and they just say, look, please don't tell anyone I told you this story. I want to keep it private. You keep aren't looking for attention, they're not looking for fame,
like they just want to know that they're not alone, you know. So yeah, and a lot of these things happen as well when it's when they're conscious, not when they're asleep, sometimes at day in daytime. And yeah, like that's you know that that's my take on it. And I'm hoping that my approach to this, in terms of go for the nuts and bolts and go with the bureaucracy and doing the investigation will hopefully kind of like lead us to a place where they can kind of you know, have that kind
of vindication in years to come. So we'll see where that takes us. Rob, did you see how he just glossed over members of family. I've had abduction experiences. And then we went down to waitress and it's like what wait, wait a minute. Chris is a master of linguistics. Yeah, he's just like, oh, but yes, different signings and remember of my family had an introduction experience and then you know, after that, we you know, we had teen stuff in a tea room and it's really good that
sandwiches. I mean, come on, Chris, you don't gloss over things like that. But I understand it is very personal, but I mean, did that right there have an effect to where you feel like you have to do this because of if you let it go, then it would it would take value away from what happened to them, because they would go on with people thinking these things don't happen, haven't happened, And the only people that
have had this happen to them are nutters. I've seen. Thing that gonna be involved is you know, the video is coming out and the US government acknowledging them, because you know, if you're a dog investigating this, sometimes to be jealous and you need a bone to chew on, you know, and the back of the pentic and stuff to talking about this. You know, that kind of led me to into the journalism aspect of it, I think in terms of like my interest. You know, I was always watching
the UFO documentaries when I was younger and stuff. I've always taken an interest in it, even before I knew you know, the experiences of others with my family. I don't know, I just found it really really interesting, and I think it kind of like shocked me that the US government was like talking about this and saying that these videos were were real. And look, there's a lot more to these videos as well, and a lot of these
cases. Hopefully over the next few weeks we're going to find out a few more details that weren't known before as well about what at least one of these cases. So yeah, like that's why I'm in it for, you know, I just want to provide transparency, and I get a love feed off
because you know, we could have had transparency with the Arrow. Unfortunately we've not got transparency with the Arrow, and that puts the onus on journalists like myself, Ross and others, and even the whistleblowers and stuff and the advocates involved with this to actually put themselves at risk. Uh, and we shouldn't have to. We've got a UFO officially to provide that transparency apparently, but
they haven't done that. So it means that, you know, people that weren't passed to do this by the government mandate will have to stop pushing pushing forward on this further. So yeah, you you you pointed out something today. We're gonna get to that at the end, but we want to get to and I just want to say Gandalf said here, you know that, Rob, you had a great point. And somebody researching into the mild O D I C C I A n FB I have centered all of the above
archives. It's a massive web of information where about one to five percent is gold and is useful for further data points. And thank you for for for doing that. A lot of people, people that are part of this show, like Debs and Courtney. Hi Jules, Hey, Jules is here. She's on the road again, Like Willie Nelson, Hi Jewels. Sorry, I hadn't scrolled down in a while, but I'm doing you know, triple
duty here. Yes, please put them in on. Thank you liberating That's what I'm damn right there, baby, liberation time go check him out online www Dot Liberation Times. Don't calm see. I wanted to use a British accent for that. We should see if we can get Rob to do Chris's accent, Chris to do Rob's Irish accent? Is that possible? No? Are you trying to break up a friendship here? No, I'm just you know. I want to tell you guys. Rob did a tour on signal.
He did a tour of Ireland basically of accents for me it Rob, I didn't tell you this. When we were driving to South Georgia. We had to go to Air Force base down there and meet with some Air Force folks and my program manager, Miss Mary Kathleen Cheney, also in Irish lass. I played for her. What's that Irish lady? To be sure? Oh yeah, I played her your accents. We were rolling in the car.
Man, it was so awesome and it came out so crystal clear that they could hear it above the road noise, me just holding my phone up and we just loved it, especially when you did Miss Lauren from Everything Road, Everything motor Racing from Donegal. Shout out Lauren. So thank you Rob for doing those accents. All right, okay, Christ, give us an Irish accent there, do me. I'd say something I'm going to do that
I can't. I can't do it. I can't do it, like it just send a cringeeravy like there there are some great people that canned you Irin shock, I Irin sh acc and Irin shocks. I could see like Norland. But like I find that quite funny. Like yeah, like we started, like my friend and I were in Paris. Once we started talking French and Irish accents, it was quite funny, like Jimmappelle Linder stuff like that, you know, a really big Irish like Northern Irish accent like but in
France. Yeah, I got in a lot of trouble for that because like I had like a colleague from Northern Ireland and he did not like that one bit. But then years later, like one of my friends heard it and actually thought it was funny. Found out that it was a Northern Irish rugby coach working in France, and he showed like a team for of him speaking French but with a strong Northern Irish accent. It was quite hilarious. So I'll tell you what you could do my accent anytime. I'll do New York
accent all day long where I came from. Accent me do Dublin or Chris you. I don't think I can do one, can I? I don't think I can do an Irish accent stuff Rob, I've tried to do it, and I don't think I can. I've tried to do Steve English from from World Superbike and the more I tried to talk about top rack Rass, Cathley Oaklue and his position on the grid. But no, I'm not very good at doing I'm at doing Irish. But uh and yeah, my accent, I can do. You know some of the the regional US accents.
I can do you know some of the southern accents. We so our program manager from South Georgia it sounded a lot like smoking the bandit the other day and he was like, He's like, we're two hours of hitter schedule like that, and I'm like, we're East. He's bounded down. I'll tell you what. But I can also go to New York and tell you that my father is from Brooklyn, my mother is from Queens and I have no
problem doing that accent. I'll do for you all day long, all right, forget about it all right, So we have some things here from the folks and then we want so thanks for sharing, Christopher. I'm an experiencer, more so my wife, and we've not really told anyone about it.
I use our experiencers as a community to drive me as a researcher in my free time and use I'm not sure the end probably got mixed up there, but no, we have a lot of experiencers who have turn researchers because they want to figure out why what happened to them and why we got one from Eli here. Question fire, Chris Sharp, he's fire. Whatever happens to arrow having material of unknown origin? Do you have more cheap details on that?
Whatever I think he meant happened to arrow having or material of unknown origin? Do you have any yes? Yeah, yeah, So about a year ago a source told me that they have materials of unknown origin. I spoke to season Goff about it over and over again, do you have materials of unknown origin? And she would not answer the question. She could deny it. We agreed no, not yet. We agreed with the statement she could deny it. And yeah, that's the last I heard of it. But
I need to follow up on that. I know that the TTSA materials apparently have ended up being kind of like indicated to be of like the original or something like that the historical report. But yeah, I'm not short materials were being referred to there. But I can follow with that art just to see what's come from it. But from my understanding, the ARIA did no digging
at all. And let's just say one or two of the advisors in the technical Advisory Group may have actually been involved in one of the actual programs, which is quite hilarious. So yeah, so Kirkpatrick was compromised basically to the people that were surrounding him. So yeah, that's where we're out. Unfortunately, I think Project Bluebook twenty twenty four, Rob, let's talk about your activism in terms of in your position as an advocate for artism. Tell people
about that. Yeah. So I was brought in by the Health Service Executive which would be similar to the NHS, as a consultant to develop a service to support young autistic school leaders from either a secondary school which would be the equivalent of high school or university into employment with the transition phase. So with that I developed this service worth three years into it. Now we've over one
hundred clients that we're supporting at the minute. We're building a corporate partnership across the board around different areas of Ireland and we're offering consultancy to individual corporates around neudiversity in the workplace and helping them to move their culture from where it's at now to become more neurodiverse and acceptance or accepting and awareness aware around it. And then we work very closely in consultation with individuals to help and transition into
the working environment. There are so many adults who are autistic in the industry who are under employed at the moment because they can't hack the environment of the culture that they're working in. So we work off the basis of science,
so the work that we do is pretty much evidence based. So over the last couple of years I've been fighting for additional funding and revenue to come in to support this particular program nationally, and we're at the moment now where we've come to the end of receiving funding from the Irish Human Rights Commission, where we commission that money to go towards an actual study as it were done in partnership with the individuals who use our service to see how we could make it
better and how we could address that to employers as well. So it's pretty much evidence based practice all the way. And it's nothing about us without us. So the voice of the individual find is at the center of everything that we do. So that's why I not up a minute. And Chris, I know we have a hard out for you, and I just want to finish up with rab and artism. I know it's touched your life in some way. Did you have any words about artism before you go? Yeah,
I'm a huge admar of what Rob is doing. Neurodiversity is hugely important,
you know, from family right life to school to the workplace. I just feel not enough work is being done to actually help people that because life, you know, where it's politics, where it's workplace, a lot of it is like associate you know, being being sociable, playing workplace politics and stuff like that, having being social savvy, and you know, unfortunately, you know, there's a lot of talent out there, you know, people with aspergers and things like that who have a lot of knowledge, a lot of
skill, but you know they don't have the social skills to navigate the workplace and that's really really sad because oftentimes performers and people who can play the game a rewarded if people with the best knowledge don't always get rewarded because they don't have the correct social skills. And I think that's really really sad that people like that don't get rewarded. And yeah, I just feel they need to shout shine through when we need to create the new system to accommodate with those
people. And look, you know, when I was younger, I was deaf. I was deaf until like the age of like four or five, and I know it was like to be like four of as different and stuff like that. You know, I still can't really speak that well sometimes, and yeah, and you do get judged for it, you know, you do get judged for it. And people can be really really mean because you don't fit in to their way of seeing things or how someone should be.
And you know that's where good is frive. Importuate me. Yeah, so it's so important, and just thank you for the work that you're doing, Robit. It's so crucial. And I think we need to kind of like have more of this. And so if I understand this correctly, just to kind of put it so the audience understand. It's trying to make the workplace more accepting that someone who has autism, as you say, or has aspergers can apply and the company will be able to make the necessary accommodations so that
they can be in the work. You know, be in a hybrid situation where they're part at home. I know, although you're done thinking half alien and half half human. No hybrid where they're half at home and partially working at work and that they know how to interact with this person. It's an
accepting work environment. That's essentially what it is. And it's not just autism, it's it's neudiversity across the board, absolutely, because the fundamental framework is the same in terms of support and it's really just about AGK that's what it is. And it falls like with the whole UAP thing. Ignorance, you know, comes out of the lack of information, where education can create an
opportunity to have a safe place to have these discussions. And you know, my big thing in terms of what we're doing is is building resilience for autistic people because anxiety is the problem and society can be the disability. And if we can bring those two together, then we can remove barriers and we can give people a voice and educate and allow the autistic community to be the change
agents within organizations. Yeah, I want to say you know, like I told you on the phone, Rob, this is one of the reasons we're very proud to have you as part of the community, because you're not just a UAP advocate, You're a great human being. And Christopher Sharp, who was very late for me to have pizza with him at the hotel, is not only a UAP advocate, he's a great You. Chris, you're supposed to laugh at that, but the second time he was. The second time
though, he was on time. I want to say that the second time we met, Chris was on time, so he really made up for it. You much. We love you, Chris, We love you Rob. It's an honor to call both of you friends. And that's essentially why CAB is doing this. So so before we go, I would like to ask you to like and subscribe. We are now we are on our own channel, back on our own channel again. We've just started on Spreaker is going to be our new podcast host. Please give us a like, a subscribe,
and a comment. So we could grow. We will be announcing a new show in short order. It is going to be a in addition to this show, it's going to be calling all Beings dot dot dot. We're going to be in the process of producing this new show and researching for a couple of months. I think it's going to be really exciting. Julie who's in the chat our chat matter writer, the Jewel of the Nile. She
is aware of what we're doing. She's been helping out in this new endeavor and I can't wait to announce it when Nathan comes back from Europe and makes a logo for us. So thank you guys for us spending time with us. I really appreciate it. Rob. It was an honor to have you and Christopher and Lily, it was an honored to have you. A little cutie, I can I throw something in there because the two guys are going
to kill me. So the two guys on Twitter, Darkstar I Dot or Darkstar I E and Irish scientists and they're working together with myself and developing a
very comprehensive website around UAP with Ireland advocating for us. So it'll be Ireland we're building that at a minute, and it's going to be a resource tool and an information bank to drive traffic to people like Chris, to drive traffic to people like yourself, to the Gary Nolans of the world, the new Alesondo's of the world, including those individuals whereby you guys will be considered as
UAP stakeholders for advocacy and then the rest will be UAP communicators. So we're gonna put that together and we're gonna hopefully involve academia as well in the conversation. And it's like when Rob says Lou Alexander and Gary Nolan, what he's saying is mahonies. That's what he's saying. When Christopher Sharp says Susan Goff and Tim from the from the debrief, he's something about mahomies man and Jeremy Cormel and George Knapp mahmies So I think we should bring in Sean, and
we should bring in Susan on some stage. Will have a nice conversation beyond camp with Sean and Susan and Chris. Uh. That would be hilarious. I love it all right, man, it was an honor to have you guys have a great rest of a Sunday night for you, guys. You're awesome and we can't wait to have you back. All right, take care of bye, everybody in the chat. Thank you, Mark and everybody else. Love you guys, peace out, Bye,