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Can I get it? Man? Yes? Good evening, gaps Hi, Happy, Welcome back to Calling. Have the mic volume? Do that time you did? Great? Okay? Good? This automatically just thing works? All right. Welcome to Calling All Beings. I'm your host DJ, and man, we light on the people tonight because Nathan decided he's going to New Yoshit eh, which is how Mick Jagger says it in one of those Rolling Stone songs. However, my homegirl Debzi websie in the joint and man,

what a week Debs had. Now some of you think you'd I'm been through some stuff, but Debs there's a bridge that she drives over, and after she drove over it, that bridge fell down. It's luckily not in the same time span because I would have been even worse. I feel so bad for the person who was last off that bridge. Yeah. Yeah, I didn't make light. Did we lose life on that bridge? Yeah? We

lost probably about six people. They think it could be more. Wow, you know, thinking in terms of that, that's kind of like, you know, kind of like the Kobar Towers. I was kind of like one of those dudes. I took off, went home, and then something like five six days later, the Kobar towers blew up. That was sort of a very early al Qaeda strike in nineteen ninety I think it was June twenty fifth, nineteen ninety six perhaps or ninety five, so someone could check me

on that. But anyway, Hey, Julie, Jules's in the chat, so we're super light handed tonight. Like I was saying, so Jules, Nathan is going to New yok City, you know, thinking Mick Jagger right now, and Courtney Marcosani, who is our she's our cab prospect. So I want you to picture motorcycle jacket or vest, and she has the bottom rocker that says Earth for the location, but she doesn't have the top rocker yet. Once you know she's fully in, she's gonna have the top rocker

on her jacket, which says cab. Of course on Earth, you need to have a taxi license, yes, yeah, she needs to go get her taxi license exactly. And New York so yeah, yeah, Nathan said he was going to New York Jewels, So I can't imagine where else he would be going other than New York City. Uh, but I don't know. Uh, maybe maybe he'll send me a message and let me know what all he's doing there. But he you know, he's been on vacation with his wife there since Deb's and I met him. Uh. That was this

second time that I met Nathan was in New York. The first time I met Debs in person. So as Jeb says, AnyWho, Deb, have you patented? Like? Do I have to pay you to say that? Yeah? I'm good? So this is this is how much you know Deb and our friendship has grown to where she's not gonna charge me right there. You know she's not gonna do something like where you know, uh what was the other one? We can't say engaging though without paying Jameline, don't.

I always when I think of Nathan, I think of two terms. I think of bespoke and meta always, so he's the meta bespoken one I think of on ramps and off ramps. Uh to UFOs. Uh, there's some other good ones he and Nathan. EXO and whatnot is one of his favorite sort of suffixes to certain sentences and stuff. But anyway, I don't know, we're gonna get into some some UFO talks. So in the chat, jump in ask question Jones and otherwise me and deb we're just gonna do today.

D Yeah, so let's call it the state of the Union, the state of yes, well what on to logical? Yes, Julian. See, you guys wonder why Julie is so brilliant, and we've talked about this on our hundred episode. But one of the reasons she's so brilliant is that so ontological. I think you could apply that jewels to both Nathan and Exo for sure. But the one of the reasons she's brilliant is she can take this written medium here, this chat moderator thing, which is a very particular

skill. No, it's no. Actually, we already have a name for this. So when I call Nathan and we talk about the podcast and we strategize, you know, just kind of check in on what's happening, what we're doing, what we want to do, who we want to have, we call it the state of the Onion, which goes way back to my hometown and the word onions made it into a lot of different sentences, so

that's where that comes from. But state of the Onion, So Debs, as you know, Pat Benatar once said, hit me with your best shot. What's going on? Okay, so people are still molling over a few things that came from Jeremy Corbel and George Knapp. They're trying to understand still about the Jellyfish UAP, and they're also molling over the fact that there are comments about them being under investigation because they had that document, like they had

that film. So because they are reporters, because they're journalists, they're protecting their sources. But people are really trying to figure out what is going on with this constant investigation because they had the Jellyfish film and some of the other films. So that's one of the things that's going on, if you wanted

to comment on that before we go on to some shore. Yeah, first of all, let's say hello to Carolina Garcia, a direct descendant by the way of Francisco Pizzato Caro Encounters. I actually was on with her a couple of weeks ago. We had a bang up discussion about UFOs and stuff, and she did a great job, great interviewer. But anyway, Caro, you now have the link. You're welcome to join us if you like, and if you just want to sit and listen and yeah, that's all good

man. You can just sit and listen to what happened in here. So so with that film, apparently deb that was a phone video of the screen in I don't want to use the word the jock because I don't know that that word was used, but kind of like that would be like to join operations center at a base, So I don't know the particular because and actually the security forces for that base also would have had those screens up and would

have had eyes on for that aerostat, because the whole purpose of floating that balloon over the base and having they had west Cam L three E MX twenty camera on that aerostat, and the whole purpose of it is to have eyes on for anybody who's trying to ingress the base, and particularly if someone was trying to launch a shoulder fired weapon over that base, you would see them. And of course there's another system there that is the man I'm trying to

remember their name. It's an adapted Navy system that they used to shoot out objects that are coming over over the wires, so to speak. But it's assisted by that MX twenty camera. So wherever they were, those guys took a cell phone camera and filmed it. Now whether or not that was illegal is really dependent upon what environment they were in the jock. I would I have not been in a jock where you could have a cell phone period,

not a flip phone, not and definitely not a smartphone. They have cubbies outside the jock where you would put your phone before you went in. You'd put it on silent or turn it off, and then people would you know, take a break and go out and check their phone. That kind of stuff anyway, So yeah, uh, what's your thoughts on a deb Give me your your take on it, and then I can you know what I

think. I think the big mistake that keeps happening is that we're talking about national security issues, but the people, and you know, the audience, the public, they don't want to see the national security things. They just want to see the object. So if if people just did a little bit of editing of these films would be cool. We don't need to see all

the little data points around the object. And that's where like we keep having this issue right like, yes, the government can release film, they don't need to tell us about their instruments. We just want to see the objects. M That's a great point. I mean, I can't. I can't argue with that point. And actually, if you've seen the Tic TAC and the Go Fast, they have the screen blocked off in certain areas that you

can't see. I don't think you can see their GPS position of where they are like you can in the that video the n y p Andy released helped me out debs, the rubber Duck video. Yeah, I also believe the anomalous, right, yeah, I mean video though, what what what what would you like from that video other than the data covered up for well, I think the other mistake is they keep telling the public that they're just clips of the whole video, right, So cover the data and give us the

whole, the whole clip for the whole video. You know. Then we don't have the games, we don't have the people arguing we don't like, but they have the whole set of information that they need because one hundred percent the general public does not want to affect national security. So they just give us the whole film with that blocking that you mentioned that they did previously, and we're good. So and Julie mentioned real quickly said Aguadilla uh in Puerto

Rico. Ironically, one of my colleagues in aerospace wants to vacation there, and we have a new member of our team who's from the island of Puerto Rico, and he was kind of schooling him up on the places he could fly into. And they were talking about Aguadilla and any person who's you know, involved in the UFO topic, you know, they bring us, oh

man, Aguadilla, you know, and you're thinking about that video. So I turned him on to it. Hopefully he's watched it and I'll be able to check in with him when my hair isn't on fire at work and find out what he thinks of it. But here's the thing, so, Julie, so that was Department of Homeland Security, and to my knowledge, that is not classified. They are out there looking for illegal ingress to the United States launching from an American territory, and so that video is not classified.

You will also notice that if you watch the rubber Duck video or the other video, the one of the eight ten that's being sort of buzzed by UAP, you will see that they haven't covered up that position either. You can see where those videos occurred. Whereas when you get into the Department of Defense,

you're in a whole different area. Now now we're talking about national security in a different way and much more advanced system So, for example, on the latest AC one thirty platform, you have a newer camera in most cases than what you would have on a Homeland security You would have the hand me down maybe that we took off of the more advanced DoD assets and they would go to Department of Homeland Security in some cases. So that's kind of how

it goes. It's just a different arena and with different ability. For example, you could layze. So those cameras if you guys don't aware, aren't aware, there is a targeting laser on there. There's a couple different lasers on there. There's a laser designator, and that laser designator. If I had a combat controller guy on the ground who's like an air force guy who does air strikes, and you fire that laser out of that camera. Even

the one that took that Jellyfish video has that capability. He could see, oh that's where it is. That's what you're talking about, because with his night vision goggles on, he could see where your laser is. Then you could have a target getting a higher powered laser and whatever you shine that laser on, that's where the missile goes when you fire a missile. So that's kind of what that's all about, if that makes any sense. Now,

your cost, your Department of Homeland Security stuff. They're not going to be able to fire missiles at illegal personnel, thank you know, obviously and thank god right, we wouldn't want to do that. Folks that are just trying to cross the border. We wouldn't want to fire some sort of a munition at them. So that's probably disabled on those devices in terms of the targeting

laser. Anyway, deb Now my question for you is from that video you were saying, you were talking about what they could block in order to make it safer. But what did you get out of that video? What is your assessment and your feeling about what you say saw. Well, my big thing about it is a lot of people wanted to say, oh, those are balloons, and they tried to make something that it could be with a

photoshop. But you know, here here's my thoughts about it. It wouldn't have come to Jeremy Corvell and George Knapp if the people assessing it just went,

oh those are balloons, Like that's ridiculous, first of all. Second of all, balloons are probably not going to move in a straight trajectory horizontally like they will move with the wind, and they will they will sway and like move rocket around like it's And then a third part is that there's another video and people are ignoring that, and that other video does demonstrates like some bizarre behavior. Also, I think that one might be like over the water

or something. Yeah, and I think that, you know, there's a lot of questions still, like, I don't know what it is. It's definitely bizarre looking. It's not the only bizarre looking video, and it's something other people have seen. Other people have described seeing something that looks like a jellyfish or you know, they call it the Medusa jellyfish. So I think there's a lot of questions. I'm never gonna be really good about saying yes, one hundred percent I think that's this or that, you know, I

just I can't. I'm not don't know. Yeah, we don't know what it is. Julie thinks it's my hair. What happened on my hair? Julie, I can assure you that that is actually not my hair, because if it were, I would have been chasing it and going come back it's gone. So yeah, and that was my act if any if any producers are out there, that was sort of my acting jobs. But Julie is

pointing out some debths that people on the ground. So the Marine Corps officer said, who was there in the intel officer that they could not see it with their naked eye. Yeah. What else is kind of interesting to me about this is that people are bringing up some of the other balloons that are in the works, and I was actually one of the first people to put that information out. But it also if you do any research on this,

you find out that those balloons don't go out of a building. They're in a building, like they're not capable of what we saw in that film. So I don't know, I just I just feel like, you know, it would it probably wouldn't be a drone because it's much too complicated to be a drone, right, And it's missing some of those vital vital elements such as propulsion that we would be able to see in that spectrum, right and it and it doesn't move like a balloon to me like I've seen balloons in

the sky. They don't move straight like that. Yeah, yeah, I have. Oh wow, this is another a whole other observable. We got to get trained up. I'm not going to spend too much time on the debunkers because they're not really worth my time and they're not really trying to figure this out. You know, they're scared of what this could be because we don't know what it is. I don't know what it is. I know

what it's not. I know it's not a balloon, and I know it's not something like that's not a piece of my larg just like the rubber duck was not. Because the rubber duck was being analyzed by a sensor operator that worked for DHS that had thousands of hours of experience looking through that sensor to come up with, oh my god, I don't know what this is. And that's how he got in touch with Andy and allowed him to release a

couple of films. So that's the idea. The whole idea is that people who know what they're looking at know that they don't know what this is and they don't know its origin, they know what it's not. The debunkers, all of a sudden, who don't know anything and have no expertise professed to know what it is, but they don't unfortunately, So so that's the situation. So I don't spend too much time on them. I'd rather kind of

talk about what it is. I think one of your points, though, deb that I find very Kojent, is that if they would have showed the whole thing, what you're talking about, where they would have shown it going trans medium and going in the water and coming out, which is what the Marine Corps officer that George and Jeremy brought on the show because he was there,

he saw it happen live. If they would have shown that, then it would have convinced or at least maybe in theory, would have swayed some of these people who try to debunk everything that comes out that's real, just like they try to do with those pyramid UFOs that are one hundred percent legitimate. And I know that because I know what the military's actual assessment of that those of that was and I've seen that. So yeah, but unfortunately people

they're scared and they want to do it. So I don't waste my time trying to convince them. I'm more concerned with talking about what it is because that thing was weird looking, scary predator business. Yeah, I think that it's it's hard to say what some of these things are, like some people.

I like to leave the anomalists to this, right because because it was a suit, as someone attribute to label, any other possibility is thrown out, right, Like as soon as someone says, oh, that was a saucer, someone's going to say, oh, yeah, well then there's aliens. Right. Well, we don't know. We don't know where it's from, right, And that's why the debunking doesn't work, because we're studying unidentified objects, and you can't tell someone who cannot identify an object that it's not

unidentified. It's such a weird think thing to say, right, Yeah, I mean they want us to say that it's from a non human until or we want to say it's extra terrestrial or something. I don't know what it is. I can tell you what it's not in my opinion based on what I know about aircraft, and those aren't conventional crafts, so they're probably from some sort of a non human intelligence, at least current day modern humans.

You know. Could it be the future of us, yes? Could it be the past us maybe, I don't know, but it's you know, I'm just gonna for a catch. I'll call it NHI because it's exhibiting characteristics that we have not developed yet, particularly when you know, if people could try to imagine and think in terms of hypersonics. Let's say that we have hypersonic Let's say that we have hypersonics, but we wouldn't be able to go

hypersonic from a standstill. That's a technology that we don't have. And let's say, but let's for the sake of discussion, let's say that we could. Let's say we had something that could go hypersonic from a standstill, that we had developed this technology. We haven't developed a technology that doesn't interact with the air around it so that it wouldn't it would not produce a sonic boom.

I don't believe we have a technology that is unaffected by air and can accelerate through water that from a hydrodynamic standpoint or a hydrostatic drag standpoint, we wouldn't be able to do. That's what Tim Galadett and the folks that he's interviewed are telling him. By going several hundred knots underwater, that's like as fast as like a seven forty seven that's cruising across the Atlantic, but it's

doing it underwater. We haven't figured that out. So that that's the part is that even let's say we have something that could that could exist at that speed, it couldn't do it without creating a sonic boom or interacting with what we know is our atmosphere, our oxygen and nitrogen that that forms the air.

So what do you think about Well, I was going to say, you know what's interesting is another piece of news that I was gonna mention was that the three body has come out and everbody comes from the three body problem. There was a prime version and the Netflix version is now out right, and it's taking the whole concept of UAPs and engagement with NHI to a very scientific place. And I understand, of course it's fiction, but if you

understand how China approaches UAP, they do it from a scientific perspective. They just think it's part of science. So I'm hoping that with some of these new objects, the SEU will take a look at them and come up with some more papers like they did for the previous videos. You know, maybe they'll come out with one about this jellyfish, the Medusa, right, and really come to that same conclusion that we have nothing that does what these things are doing. I hope. So, man, we have not seen you

in a while. WRONA. Yeah, I feel like you haven't been in in a while, but welcome. So if you're watching us, and we'll talk about that in pickup on Deb's point here in the second, if you're watching us on Facebook or Twitter, if you would do us a solid go to the YouTube video and what's up? Oh wait a minute, I don't know is that Courtney, I'm skidd If you would do us a solid and go to YouTube and give us a subscribe and a like, we greatly appreciate

it. Pretty soon here in a month or so, we're going to or May ninth, I guess is our debut on the Untold Radio Network. Super excited about that. Be performal announcements coming. But yeah, if you please go to that, give us a like and subscribe, we don't appreciate you. I'm sorry. Deb. Back back to your point, my friend, which one you're we're talking about? Oh? Three by Yeah, okay,

So what's interesting though? I want to say. I wanted to comment though, that the Netflix version is very different from the previous one that I watched, which was the Chinese version on Prime. And you know, you could argue that you lost something in the translation, but it still gets to the crux of it, a very very scientific approach to how these things are possible. They talk about, you know, quantum dimensions, they talk about thinking

in terms of dimensions, in terms of size. It gets really interesting and I think it kind of brings this subject to the public in a new way. Yeah, I have not seen the film, nor have I read the book, just because I don't know. There's something about it. I kind of felt weirded me out. But you know, anything that brings eyeballs and opens people eyes to the possible is great because then that's one less experiencer of

the UAP of phenomenon. The folks that are monitoring Bigfoot out in the woods, that are seeing orbs and or Bigfoot himself and they go and tell someone about it, and man, there's so many people that get you know, laughed at, or they just kind of get a nod, and you kind of know when someone thinks you're full of it. And you know, frankly, I've shared some of these videos that I've shared with the Cabby's with friends,

and they're just not they really don't want to entertain this topic. And I think, you know, I like the fact that this film is out there and it can maybe insidiously bring someone in without them really knowing it. What do you think about that that people just don't want to entertain this?

Is that? Okay? I think when you are just going through the day to day and dealing with like, you know, the day to day emergencies, it's just too much to go there, you know, Like it's it's the same though, there are people who don't want to deal with religion right now, you know, they don't want to deal with politics right now.

They don't want to deal with any additional topics, I don't think. But then with this topic, and I was mentioning this in the last show a little bit, it's like people are how do I put it, Like it's overwhelming, Like there's just so much of the same, Like there's UFOs, there's UFOs. We get it, there's UFOs. So they're like, Okay, there's UFOs. I'm going to keep paying my bills, you know what I mean. It's like yeah, yeah, So where's the shift? Where?

Where? Where does there need to be a shift? And potentially why? I think if we can stick with facts like we talked about also in the last episode and really stop trying to sensationalize it and she kind of put breaks on like the fakes and the CG and just kind of take it seriously and let people talk like that's a big one. Just let people talk about it. Then people can sort of normalize the subject instead of avoiding it. It'll be like talking about the weather. Oh yeah, there was a UFO

outside today. Yeah. Check out Nicki Noel on Facebook. My goodness, excuse me. On Twitter, Nicki Noel has gets some incredible videos outside her house. I don't know what it is. She's like, she's like Chris Bledsoe. Man, she's just got them buzzing outside her house all the time, daytime, nighttime. Nicki Noel on Twitter Who she was on with somebody not too long ago. I can't remember who it was, but but yeah, we might need to get her on check out those videos, man,

what do you think that sounds good? I have seen some really interesting videos and photos that are not in the public because people message me them. But I never shared them because I don't have that permission to do it. So I have seen like civilian videos of tic TACs and things like that. I was just going to say, though, that imagine our country taking this subject on like they do the weather and then just being part of the weather report,

you know, like imagine it just being included. Take it another step though, depth. Why is that important? Why do you think it's important that people know. I think if we know, then no one's going to suffer from shock, you know, like if it becomes normal, it's not going to be something that freaks people out anymore. It's the subject that we can just have over the dinner table. Oh yeah, there were like five over Arizona last week. Oh that's interesting, cool, Like, or what

do you think that's about? Why do you think there are five UFOs? You know, just having that conversation and being open. I know that when it comes to my family they would love to just shut it down. You know. Also there they were very quick to send me all of those articles about the new Airover report and how you know, obviously this means there's nothing to this. They just jumped on that. Because so I don't I don't talk to them anymore about it. You know that's the repercussion. You know,

I won't go to them about it. I've heard you use the words many times before. We need to prepare people. Why is that? So? There's this dream that a lot of experiencers talk about that they have. It's a shared dream. They dream about just a massive number of sightings happening

at the same time. If we don't prepare people for something like that, if like the potential for that, if we don't prepare people for the potential of thinking outside of just human and humanoid and all that, they're going to have what I call like a traumatic response. You know, they're gonna their world will unravel. They will have and I will say it onto the logical shock party people put those hands together for Carolina Garcia, how is going?

I am literally I've been listening to you guys. I've got my daughter watching something in the background, but he's doing his podcast in the other room and kidding that guy. Yeah, he's all right. I mean, but your future husband, Yeah, I guess that's what's going to happen, you know. But I just got to get down but dead. I So you were about you were touching on the air report, and I really want to know

more about that. I'm literally just popping in just because I've been wanting to chat with you guys for so long, and so I don't know when, like things can get crazy around here any second, but just talking about the air report and then and then I'm gonna hop off for this. So the air report, and then I want to know specifically, you know, after this report has come out, what do you think their role is going to be? Is there a need for them? What's going to happen afterwards?

But okay, that's amazing. I'll answer that part first. Yeah, I'll answer that part first. The second part. First, the Arrow Report was written by a resolution office. Like people are you know, continuously associating unidentified flying objects now known as UAPs with EROW. But aero's job is not to look into NHI. They're not interested in that. They would pass the buck if they found one immediately, and who knows where that would go right Area

fifty one, who knows? But their interest is resolution. They want to resolve everything, so they will put something forth as a resolved fact, possibly because that's their best conclusion, or possibly to you know, dissuade people from being uncomfortable. Who knows what reason. Great, but they definitely are not

there to look for unidentified. They're there to identify period, right, So like I've pointed that out a few times on Twitter, by the way, like they're they're not the unidentified group, Like that's not who you go to if you want unidentified. But the other thing that's happened with the Arrow report is apparently they don't put a whole lot of depth of research into it. I'll you this will shock you. DJ. I have not read it. I don't feel like wasting this godab come on, I mean, just think

about how enlightened you'd be if no, no, I know better. But apparently there's just like some gross errors. Actually I heard Kevin Kunouth talking about it briefly the other day, just some of the gross errors. Like the most I would say, the biggest case that we had to kind of laid the carpet out for this happening was the Kenneth Arnold case, right, And they've made errors about the object that he saw, the date that he saw

it. And that's pretty bad. If you can't even get the Kenneth Arnold case correctly, you could google it and see right, And I don't think again, I should know more about things like that than the people who were hired to know about it. Well you care more? Yeah, well they I don't know, like I I want to say, there's some people in Arrow who probably really do. But again, their job is not to care about NHI, that's not to care about civilians. Their job is to resolve.

And if there's anything that they could ever not resolve, I imagine it would get shuffled somewhere else and we wouldn't hear about it anyway. So so we're running, Uh tell me if I'm saying your name incorrectly. Actually I might need to put my glasses on for this. Yeah, yeah, we're runa farm. Okay, so for what it's worth, Green Street interviewed Sean Pactrick. But so let's go back to when the office was formed, which

I don't know. Okay, we ruined a farm, Thank you, ma'am or sir, let's go back to when and hello Annie non Et, thank you very much for joining us. Again, we missed you. They said the craft Michael Herrera encountered was an ET craft. It wasn't. It was an ar V uh Total BS report is Herrera the Marine Corps guy uh and on the that's auto in uh. Was it Indonesia or Thailand? It was in the Far East pay Com theater somewhere, I think anyway, Yeah,

school me up on that one. I think that's who Herrera is. But here's the thing, so, yes, yeah, exactly. I saw that when he was on with Sean. I can't remember his name. The Navy Seal has got like eight hundred thousand subscribers back then. It's probably got more now. I'm good for him. Anyway. So when this office was created, I don't know if it was the NDAA twenty twenty one or twenty twenty

two. NDAA probably twenty twenty two that created the office, and when they put it under the Department of Defense, which is you know, thank you, Sean Ryan. Yeah, the department that I've loved, that I've worked for and dedicated, you know, thirty years of my life too or more. I still was a little bit skeptical because you have to, you know, you have to be able to parse things out and say, well, I like this, but I don't like that because life isn't black and white,

right, it's the same color. What color are these some of these creatures that enter people's bedrooms dead. There's great, there's why Well let's just hold on gray for a second. Yes, I know there's reptilions, and we're not going to say the other one with the translucent skin and the long hair that look like they could be a model for hair conditioner. So, you know, I have to be able to say what I love and also

what maybe I'm skeptical about and don't have full faith in. And unfortunately, when they put that office under DoD, I mean, obviously they don't work for Congress. You know, their bosses in Congress. Their boss runs up through the SECT Deaf, through the joint chiefs, through the service chiefs and the secretaries of their services. Because each the Army, Navy, and the Air Force have a secretary as well that's under the Sect civilian. So there

are lines of there're sort of lines of responsibility. But they don't run to Congress, so they could say you're not my boss, you know. So I kind of was skeptical about that, and then after the first report, I was very disappointed. Although they did say that I don't know, there was four things out of like two hundred and forty that they couldn't identify,

et cetera. And then they just kind of saw. I had no expectation for this one whatsoever, and I never thought that we were going to get a report every six months the way that it was it was pointed out, and that they were actually going to reveal anything. So unfortunately, not that the American people are the are the enemy, but in this case, you know, the disclosure of the information is the enemy, and so therefore they're

on the opposite side from that, unfortunately. And that's what I guess they've been directed to do. And when you're in those offices, you're if you like your pension and you like your job, uh, and I liked those things, you do what you're told. This is why that lou Elizondo was such a huge thing, is because he said, Okay, you guys may

want to do X, but I'm not going to do it. I'm going to leave and I'm going to resign my position and my pension and my my TSP, which is a ten percent match four one k that the government has beautiful thing, and I'm going to give it all up to come out and disclose to you people. For that there are and I hate to use this word on cab morons in this community that said, oh, I think you're just a disinformation agent. Really, I just gave up a job and a

pension worth a lot of money. Then you have. Now he may get a small something. I don't know the amount of time he was in because it has to do with your age. There's a lot of factors that go into the retirement. When you started years of service, what grade were all these different types of things. Yes, the claim is Alsano expected a bigger payday from tss uh. Yeah, and guess what if you want to go check out the TTSA website. None of those guys are there anymore. Help

put offs not there. Steve Justice isn't there, Loue Alizondo isn't there. Jim semi Van is only on their board of advisory. So all these different things. Yeah, there was reading a book. You Lyn pick a service and challenge that yourself apart. I love it. I love it. Julie's playing some commercials. I love it. Jill light in the mood. Okay, So anyhow, then what Grush did you know? Grush was at the

beginning of his career. He did not retire from the military like lou So this was going to be his first retirement and had he stayed in the reserves long enough. Because the calculations for reserve service are not the same as active duties. You have to do more than twenty years in order to get a retirement from the military when you're either reserve or guard. Except in certain positions like para rescue. There's certain high demand, low density positions that you can

actually serve and get the same multiplier. But they don't find pair of rescuemen grown on trees. So anyway, long story short, David Grush gave that up. He gave up both retirements that he would have had and his TSP and everything to come out and talk about this. You know, my cat

is back. Well, while you deal with your cat. I wanted to take this opportunity to educate some people about what counter intelligence means because I did some research, which I do and basically, what it means is that you're assigned to make sure that foreign adversaries don't know about your top secret program.

It doesn't mean that your goal is to damage the public, or especially not the American public, which is extremely no, no, essentially, right, unless you're you know, dah, I say maybe, but any who, The point is that he was hired to protect ASAF. And we've heard since all of this has happened that ASAF was striving to pop simply move objects into

a warehouse. I don't know if that's one hundred percent the reason, but you have to watch over a project and make sure it's not getting leaked, and happy to say it did not right, This information didn't come out even in the article because they just talked about a TIP. Now, a tip was a couple of things. People forget that a TIP was working with the CIA eventually, like John Ramirez told us that basically Lou was working with the CIA after ASP ended, so it had funding, like obviously, and Lou

told us they had funding. But my point is that he did something heroic. He protected a program. Then he came out when he realized that that program wasn't being taken seriously, because it's extremely dangerous to be telling pilots not

to report, especially in this day and age. Even if you don't believe in UFOs, even if you don't believe in UAPs, it is ridiculous to think that a pilot should not report seeing an object because nowadays we do have things like Chinese spy balloons, as they say, you know, that's not what the Chinese claim it was. By the way, still they say it was a science balloon. Sure, uh huh, jobs check the right. We do have drones that are in existence, phenomenal drones, by the way.

So it is crazy that they were not allowing people to report and that was one of the things that lou was fighting against. How could you stop people from reporting that? How can you not take that seriously? That is extremely dangerous to not take that seriously. Can I interrupt for one second?

Yeah. The last straw was he was working for James maddog Man Mais who was the Secretary of Defense at the time, and they would not his boss would not allow him to talk to mag Dog mad Dog Madis and inform him of what he knew. So that's so crazy to me. That was a capstone that was That was when he wrote the resignation letter. I also want

to I want to say something to Waruna Waruna Farm. So that rumor about the claim that Alexander I'm gonna put this up on the screen expected a bigger payday from TTS A. I want to say, there is not a person, a person that can confirm that except for lou Including. You could ask it. You could ask Sean Cahill, you could. There's nobody that could confirm what he thought he was going to make. And I'll tell you why this is interesting because I was speaking with Rob Sheridan over the weekend. If

you guys don't know Rob Sheridan from Ireland, he's a disclosure advocate. He is a anti debunker, if you will. And we were doing the math on and give me some of the TTSA luminaries if I've forgotten them, debs. But let's just take a look at the core group, because was Chris Mellon one of them at one point? Yes, temporarily Okay, he was. Okay, so let's we got our fingers here. So we have Luel Azondo, we have Hal put Off, we have Steve Justice who left Lockheed

skunk Works, right, we have uh, Christopher Mellon right. So, and who's the last person that I'm not thinking of? Now? What's that? Jim? Yes? Okay, so five guys, So let's just say, for the sake of discussion that they made one hundred thousand dollars a year. Every one of those guys would be underpaid at one hundred thousand a year. Just think about that. Like I made about that much with my position, I was below what Alizondo was making in government. So every one of

those guys is underpaid at one hundred grand a year. So that means DeLong had to bring in half a million dollars just for five guys, not even dealing with office expenses and travel and contracts personnel to be able to write proposals like they had that proposal and won that that army contract that I think never went to fruition, et cetera. That is, that's half a million dollars. Even Tom DeLong a musician, those guys are not going to want to

come out of a pocket and pay that much money every month. And that's I'm lowballing it. At one hundred grand. I'm giving them the absolute minimum that those guys would have had to make. So there's no way that somebody thought that that was going to be more fruitful. Lou did not leave because he thought he was going to make more from TTSA. He left because he was morally opposed to what they were asking him to do, and they would

not let him brief the sect deaf about what he knew. And although things may have you know, you heard about another government official was his name Gary something or whatever debs, but that is what pissed him off and was the last straw when they said you will not tell the boss what you know. And that's when he said I'm out. And then they did some these courageous

things by releasing these videos. Otherwise I'm probably not on air with you right now, and I could probably name you a dozen shows that wouldn't be on the air right excuse me that wouldn't be on the air right now were it not for them doing that, which energized this entire movement. There wouldn't have been this movement if they didn't get those three videos released. It reminds me of them show Don't Look Up, you know, the whole I didn't see

it. Yeah, it's scary. So it was again on Netflix, and the premise is that people are trying to warn people that something bad is going to happen to the planet, and a lot of people are just like, oh, yeah, okay, well we're gonna keep moving about and ignore you and go about our day. And it's just like, this is craziness, Like, how can you ignore this information? You know, Well, it's because they have a different agenda. You know. Their agenda is to and

what they remember. Lou has said themselves. A lot of these people believe that they are doing something patriotic because a lot of people can't handle it. And you've got to admit deb You've got to admit that. When Dave Drush came out with his comments, you and I saw some of our colleagues, people that are hosting major UFO shows start to melt down just a little bit

over what he revealed. So what does that tell you? Yeah? I think, you know, I have mixed feelings about responses, you know, I just see such strange behaviors happening, Like people who are really into this topic will fight on one other aspect of it, you know, they they

don't want to talk about that party. You know. I think people are right, it's mixed, Yeah, I think people are really complicated, like they don't want to Some people really want to talk about the nuts and bolts and then get upset if someone talks about what they call the WU right, and some people get really upset if someone says aliens or some people take offense that the use of interdimensional is a label. That's me. I'm one of

those. Like, so, I just people are complicated, they're not responding in a way I would expect. I think my approach is also very different, though, DJ Like, I think that's my issue with this whole line of thinking. I just am like, Okay, there's UFOs. What's the big deal, Let's just go figure it out. Why are reacting weird about this? Well, we all have hang ups, deb I mean, I've got hang ups, things that I'm hung up about, and you just mentioned

one, you just revealed one of yours. You said you don't like it when people use the term interdimensional. Right? Is that correct? Yes? Because I told you it's just if you if you break down what they're saying, it's just like, uh, this isn't a very stronger aguerement. Well, we don't but we just don't know, right, Remember what Steve said on Matt's podcast, right, that scientist Steve, We don't know anything, he said, right, So, I mean, and there are people who

know. We have some experiencers who know some things. The government knows some things. If Jim Sammivan said it on our show, and he's an experiencer. He goes, nobody knows it all. He goes, they don't know it all. We don't know it all. We only know what we know, right, And it could be that. And you know, I have certain pet peeves as well, so I'll share one of mine. But you get uncomfortable when people use language it's not definitive and you don't understand exactly what

it means, and it kind of irritates you. For me, I'll tell you I don't I don't want to mention somebody because I don't want to cast any aspersion. But there is someone in the community, you know, who I regard, who I respect, but they'll kind of make assertions and I, you know, I don't know that there's necessarily a basis for that person's assertions that are as strong as they are. But you know what, I

there are things that I say that probably irritate other people. Certainty that the tic TAC was this sort of craft that was not you know, one of our adversaries or ours, that it was from some other intelligence. How do you know? DJ just pisses you off. Okay, I don't know how I know, I just believe that I know, maybe I'm I'm wrong. I one hundred percent believe I'm right, but maybe I'm wrong. But that my certainty probably irritates people. Me defending Lou and Grush probably irritates people who

don't trust the government. There's a lot of us people who have worked for government that don't trust certain aspects of the government. But it's our government book. No matter what, I know it, what's it? No matter what they say, they're gonna buy his book to you. Oh good. Imagine when Grush writes a book, right, that'll take four years to get through Dobster. So yeah, and Sean Khale's like, oh, it's from Sean,

you know, the throw it across the desk, who knows. But yeah, I mean, it's just, you know, we all just have to be sensitive to one another's hang ups. And if we can do that the way Julie does it, you know, we can have a conversation. You know. Dave Scott her friend, my friend. Well he's not my friend, but we've spoken, and I really like Dave, and I respect

and regard Dave Scott. He is very, very triggered by a certain person from scu that tried to dismiss experiencers, which is ridiculous and absurd, and that person should keep their mouth shut, like not keep their mouth shut, but it was very irresponsible and that person should apologize to Dave Scott. At the same time, that really has irritated Dave Scott against government people, right,

But both things are true. That experiencers are super important, and some of these government people who have who had decided to put their backs in the line to come out is also important. The problem is that we want to take one side or the other. You know, we have these biases and if we can just go, you know, let's just kind of you know,

flow back and forth. Kind of reminds me of certain aspects of the airplane I used to fly, the fuel control module and how it had bias and slope and all these kinds of things to keep the fuel just where it needed to be and the propeller just at the proper torque in rpm. So that's the Dave works too. Yeah, Dave works a lot, no doubt. He has another job, a regular job in addition to being on radio, like five days a week. Hard working guy. I love the guy.

He's a bigfoot experiencer. He has been out in the woods and had genuine experiences with bigfoot, he has had UFO. He's a trifecta, UFO experiences and paranormal. I would just say to my friend Dave, and if we get him on air, and I'm sure we will, he's told me he wants to get me on their show, which I don't know why he would, but if he does, I would go on. There is that, you know, don't worry about one idiot who said experiences should get out

of the way. Experiencers should never get out of the way. And he's a trifecta. He's had paranormal Bigfoot in UFOs very very valuable. And also the government people are very very very valuable. And also the airline pilots who

have never been military are seeing things are very valuable. And so is Ryan Graves and all of his colleagues, And so is Nicky Noel who's just standing outside her house and doing this with her phone, and so is Chris Bledsoe, and so is Skinwalker Ranch, and so is people who have been to Bradshaw Ranch, and so is Carl Vibe who's going to be coming on with us. So you see and our researchers like Deb who have had only one

sighting, like myself. But so everybody is important and everybody plays the role. Yeah, so I think of it as puzzle pieces, right, It's all pieces of the puzzle. And if you discard a piece, and I didn't discard quantum, I just it's a quantum physics part. And then to mentions thing, I just didn't appreciate when I researched into it what they were trying to say. But but it inspired other things because I didn't disregard it.

It inspired other thoughts and other possibilities and other ways of thinking about things. So we can't disregard all of those things are important. And if you it's sort of like I'm trying to figure out what's in this house, but I'm not going to go into some of the rooms. Dev We're back to the yet the bathroom again, we don't have to go back to the bathroom at the restaurant and bemo. But anyway, h No, I'm with you, Deb. I mean, we all just have to have self awareness rate

of what what triggers us. Just watch the Brandon Fugal interview on Sean Ryan's show, he was fantastic. Man, I'm gonna tell you we're run a farm and we're already over and I expect you to be signing off by now. But I've told people you could put any two of us on air and we can do an hour just like that. I mean, it's you know, we just need to get warmed up and here we go. So a couple of things about Brandon Fugel. He is so incredibly genuine and such a

lovely human being. Our friend, uh, Tim from All Things Unexplained, has just booked him. Tim and CJ. I don't think Smitty is gonna be there because I think he's gonna be teaching school when they interview Brandon. But they've just booked Brandon and they're going, hey, how's it going, brother, And they are going to I'll read your coming a second day because when Dave smothers in the house, you read comments. Okay, he's from

Manchester, he'll slap you up anyway. I'm Brandon Fugel is such a lovely person. Thank you, Jules, thank you so much. Love. I'm sorry about the power issues, and thank you for doing what you do. As always cheers. I want to have brandon On. Not because he's a rich guy, and not because he owns Skinwalker Ranch. That is not enough for me to want somebody on cabin. You know this to be true, Deb, But he's just such a nice person. I got to meet him, I got Yeah, I got to meet him at the Third New York

Conference for Anomalous Inquiry, and he was very nice. The problem is Deb gets to meet everybody, and what about me, Deb's I mean, where do I fit in? I met you, I've met Lou, I've met Courtney, I've met like these are big people, right, you know. Yeah, so I got to You know, if you guys ever get to go to one of those New York conferences, there's a lot of incredible people that go. The best thing about it is what Deb I think. It's

getting to find out what those people are really like. For me, that's the best. But getting to also take it in an academic approach, like we're raising the bar about these topics. You're not even gonna talk about our dinner. That was the best thing. Oh oh yeah, the dinner we got. Oh that you know what, they don't do that I don't take every time anymore now, But they did have the supper club meeting afterwards. So all these people getting to hang out afterwards and talk about this topic without

the pressure and the family stigma and all that stuff is great. I can guarantee you that, of Debs and I go to another one of these acquiring anomaloust symposiums, there will be a dinner afterward. I mean just guarantee it. So just be ready. Okay, let me read Dave Smothers because you have to. Okay, I think the issue DJ's people should I do it in his accent? I think the issue DJs people speak simplistic about the government and if it's one thing. As if it's one thing, I think you

can criticize the government wrongdoers without criticizing the whole government as a whole. I'm sorry, Dave, that was a terrible impression. I really need to work on it because I've always felt like you sound a lot more like a member of the Beatles from Liverpool. So I apologize for such a poor dissertation. Yeah, you're right, the government is multifaceted. There. First of all,

there are many, many, many amazing patriots. I couldn't be more proud of any job that I've ever had as I was working with working for government, whether I was in the uniform or out of the uniform. And there's also like society, there's some people there that aren't so good, but the overwhelming majority of them are good. And yeah, you know, you've got to criticize, like he says, the government wrongdoers, and there are

some of those that that, unfortunately are are complicit. It's easy for me to say because we don't know what kind of threat maybe went against mister Kirkpatrick. I don't know, but you know, we can criticize him without being, you know, trying to deep six the entire human being that is him. You know, maybe something was said to him that made him think, oh my god. Daniel Lee Barnett in here. Okay, so daniel the gentleman right above you, David Smithers. I don't actually I don't know if

he's going to be on the roundtable with you. But that is David Smitherst of Manchester. And Daniel Lee Barnett is from I don't know, are you from Somerset? I can't remember where you're from. Anyway, Hey, now things going mate, that's the book. I haven't read your book yet. If Daniel, I got to talk to you and talk to you about what's going on in my life and my problems, and next time we talk, I got to tell you about what's going on. You know. I can

I comment on something about what David is saying. I've recently watched a documentary series about a reporter who dies, and he dies in a way that is questionable because and he had uncovered this whole group of people that we're trying to off it off of Native American off a Native American reservation, and the reason they were on the reservation was because they were outside of some of the laws. And it turned out a lot of these people were former government employees.

Now people talk about like the shadow government and stuff, but no one talks about the fact that people who are still connected and still know how to do an op sometimes leave the government right and they are not all still in the government just because they have friends that are in the government. They still have all the connections, but they may not have the moral compass. In fact, that's one of the reasons that was implied. Those people had to leave,

but they still had all those skills. So there's not just government to be afraid of. But people who have those connections and those skill us, right, Not that I'm trying to scare anyone, right. Oh yeah, and it's mentioned here in the chat. Maruna mentions it American conspiracy, the Octopus murders. Yeah, yeah, I saw that. I don't know. I can't really. I watched most of it, not all of it. I think I was too busy on the computer didn't pay enough attention to it.

But I'm sure there's something there, but I don't know what's there. I'd really need to pay close attention and really dissect it. So I don't want to offer an opinion of it. But I think my point though, it is just like when people talked about the shadow government. I was like, h sounds like a conspiracy theory. Then I've watched that and I'm like,

I didn't think about this. You really could just create a whole network because you already have the contacts, You already have friends in government with power and tools, et cetera. And like, it is a scary possibility, right, This could be how a subject that you know is out of government hands, but it's still connected to the government. Could this right? So? Well, I don't know, I just wanted to throw that out there. I think that the programs, the UFO programs could be something like that.

Right, act is existing outside of laws, so I can't can't rule it out. I can't rule it out it yeah, because these are operating on budgets. There. It's not accounted for in our national defense budget and

so forth. It's not included in the POM. Because when it is in the POM, which is the Program of Memorandum where basically real real quickly, what happens is that every entity, like let's say Air Combat Command that has all the fighter planes in the in the Air Forces inventory, they will put forth their desires and their require vironments to the Air Force to see, we need all these programs funded. Then AFSOC will put them forward in Global Strike

Command and I'm trying to think of the other Air Force Material Command. So everybody will put forth this is what we want out of this year's national defense budget, and the Air Force will make a cut line. And if you're below that cut line, it means your program went unfunded, okay, And that goes up through the Air Force, and it goes up through the DoD and they prioritize all these different in the palm what we're actually going to fund.

The problem is that these UFO programs appear to be and according to Grush, they are there. They're being funded, but our lawmakers don't know that they're being funded, and that's what pisses them off so badly. Yeah, I know that they're a little mad about what's going on with the money, right, Like, even if UFO's aside, again, what is going on with all this money? Like why is someone charging one hundred dollars for a

pickle? You know, like it's almost like hospital billing. Something sketchy is definitely happening with the money, no question. Well, what's happening is they're

calling it something else that the lawmakers believe that they are funding. I'm not even going to put a name to it, but we'll just call it program X. But then underneath it, what they're really funding is program X Y, And the problem is that the lawmaker needs to know what is comprised of Program X that they're funding, and they just don't know about the tangent the program why that's underneath there. They're just being told to fund this program.

So that's that's what the problem is. Yeah, Yeah, I think the CIA still doesn't have to report their funding if I'm correct. I don't know if that's changed, but I think they may be outside of having to report at all. Well, you have now you have the Gang of Eight that are read in. These people have TSSCI clearances and they are so nobody doesn't have to report. So I'll say that that's that's false. They have to know where that money is going to. There are a lot of things that

are existing and being funded under those programs. You're not going to go down to the granular level. You know, you're funding a program. Now, how the CIA chooses to use their money. Now, there's certain things that procurement money has to be used for procurement. You can't use that for operation

and maintenance. I was told when I worked in government, and if it's funding for operation and maintenance, you can't say, oh, I want to turn around and buy a new armored vehicle with that, because that's no, that's procurement money. So I was told that if you do that, you can end up in an orange jumpsuit. But the problem is is that under operation and maintenance there may be programs that are and it appears there are programs

that are using it for something other than what it was intended for. To To make a long story really short, but by and large, you have to understand that just like people that you know, that's all the government has made up from this people, just like your neighbor, your mom, your dad, your friend. You may think these people are different than you, by and large, they're just normal Americans, just like the rest of us,

and that they are. There are overwhelmingly great people that I was honored to serve with, and obviously in any organization, there are going to be some bad apples. The other thing I want to say about the notion of contractors having craft is this. If you give a craft to a contractor, and when I say give mean you sign it over to them. Then they own that craft. You no longer have interest in that craft and whatever they're

able to derive from that craft. The way that you take advantage of it is when you put them under contract to work on that craft, and now you can decide what happened. They don't even need to report to you what they find out about that craft. But when you put it under contract, then you can demand and make certain demands based on giving a contractor money to look at a craft and evaluate it and analyze it and back engineer it once

you divorce yourself from it. If you just gave it to them, now by law, you have no interest in it and you can't ask them, Hey, why don't you tell us what you figured out or give us that technology that you figured out. So just keep that in the back of your mind. Yeah, and last question, I want to point out that in that case, if it's in a contract or you know it's in private hands, it's not foilable. Great, but yeah, it's not foible because it's

classified. Let's say that it's not in Let's say that it's not in contract or hands. Let's say it's sitting at Area fifty one. Just like Bob Lazar said, you think you can foya about that, I don't. I know there's another reason. Of course, obviously national security is the big one. But I'm saying if you put it in private companies, like there's stuff that is considered untouchable, they don't have to share anything. Let me let me rephrase it. I have a top secret program that I'm running. Let's

just set up a fake scenario. I'm running a top secret program in the government and you decide to foya to because someone who was under my employ told people that we have this program. Can you foya Did they have to tell you what that program is? That top secret program? No? I know they don't. I know they have. Yeah, but thing that it would protect it even further. It's it just not doesn't need to be further.

If you can't foi it, it is protected. So if you wanted to foi it what the tactical plan was for the Bin Laden raid and you want to see those plan I'd like to see, you know, I want to see what their layout was and what they used that that the Seal Team six used to go make an ingress, and what their entire plan was for that

mission. Can you foy it? No, but you can't because they're going to say, no, it's top secret and we're not going to show you because then if we diave it to you, then that means the enemy could could see how we go and we attack a target. Do you see how you It doesn't matter if who's whose hands it's in, it's the classification.

I have to say, though, I just have to point out that it seems to me that there's some of this being taken to universities because the government works with the universities, and one of it's almost like in plain sight literally some of the technology that we're talking about with UAPs, universities are working on and it's just like right there in front, like the meta materials with terror hurts. That's how different. That's different then back and having a working as

something like an entire craft. I've said all along pieces of metal they're probably senting all over the place. Let them go ahead and look at that piece of metal and see if they can figure out the components. And when that could you know, didn't What did Gary Nolan say about that piece that the technology did not exist to put those two pieces of metal together in the way at the molecular or atomic level that when it was found in the nineties.

I know, I was just thinking how clever that is. Though, if you have universities working on these projects, then that's pretty public. So later on down the road like well whatever, the Zuoke University is already working on meta materials, what are you saying it's not a big deal, or you know, DARPA was working on you know, interfacing with technology with our brain waves a long time ago, which they were by the way, so like

it's it was public. Like so anything that people are like, oh this is amazing, this is nhi, they can be like, oh, that's in the public because they put it there. You know, absolutely, I mean absolutely, I can't. I don't know what all their tactics are or what they're you know, what their procedures are. I yes, I mean that absolutely possible. All I'm telling people is that people have long been saying the reason they're putting these materials into private companies to make it not foiable.

And I'm saying it's not foiable now no matter whose hands it's in. It's the classification that's the issue. It's not it's not the whether or not it's foidable. You could foil about many things that you're not going to get an answer to because it's classified. If if you could just foil anything that was classified, then that means nothing's classified, right, absolutely, Yeah, there's definitely common sense. Does that mean yeah, I mean yeah, it's just

it's limitations out the wazoo. I'm just trying to I guess I'm just trying to put my analyst hat on and trying to figure out what was going on as usual. Yeah. Absolutely, I'm just trying to I'm trying to put it in a way that everyone out there that hasn't hasn't you know, been in government, can understand that things are classified up to a level. It doesn't matter. You could just like what we know about Dan Sherman, you could foya about that. Do you think they're gonna tell us, oh,

yeah, here's that program that he worked on. They're not going to tell us that that's It doesn't matter who's whose hands it was in, or what contractors were used, or et cetera. It doesn't matter. But it's a very popular narrative though. So let's let's see what Dave has to say. Because Dave's gonna make it so that I can't get out of here. I plan on being here an hour. Dave's gonna have me here till nine thirty. I think the night in the nineteen six, I might need my glasses.

In nineteen's agency like the CEA use a network of ex operatives and criminal networks. There goes. It's fundamentally corrupt and crossing the rubicon always does Dave like, Yeah, I mean, I I don't know their modus operandi. I'm sure that there are contractors and ex operatives that have worked under contract to them. I wouldn't doubt it, and wouldn't try to make an argument against it. There is a name for self funded? Is there a name for

self funded programs? I don't know what you mean by self funded. There was discussion in the chat about you know these the shadow government concept, right, the people who still have all those connections, still have all that power, but they want to fund themselves and so they can continue to do their operations. They might even be hired by the government occasionally to do an operation, but they're funding, possibly through criminal means. And then Dave's got another

tidbit in here about how they could be. Yes, I agree with I agree with what Dave said there. That's what not only what I mean. That's not something that I know independently. I know because I've heard it from people like Dave Brush or or lou So that yes. Because I am not personally aware of stuff like that, but that's what they say. So I just know I've said to you guys before I knew the name David Grush, I've said to you guys there would have to be certain programs like that,

and they would have to be operating outside the oversight of member. We talked about the National Command Authority, the second deft to Joint chiefs, et cetera, et cetera, plausible deniability and all that business. So yeah, all right to get here, by the way, I know of at least three ways now that someone can work outside of the law and do these projects in these gangs. Did well, I've someone tipped me off to another one. I'm not even thinking I should tell you guys all the podcasts, but there

are at least the International Waters being one of them. Right. I don't want to get in trouble anymore than programs are allegedly funded from World War two, gold from Japan and drug traffic. That's hard to know the truth, Yes, I mean yeah, I mean I didn't want to get into like a a government. Why discuss around Contra definitely was an example. Yeah, I think Oliver North and I don't know all the I don't remember all the players. That was around eighty seven. I think when that trial happened,

Oh my goodness. Yeah, I don't want to get into the entire show about shadow government and stuff, but just try to provide some insight. Like I said, like any organization, there's a few bad apples, but there's some amazing people there, and their results show when you look at how few attacks we've had from overseas on foreign soil, the fact that no one's ever

flown a successful air mission over the forty eight States, so forth. So some might say that balloon was but obviously they deemed that not a threat or they would have taken it out. You know, they were probably trying to avoid avoid areas of population when they took it down. I would imagine anyway, Again I don't I've said before, I don't know what their thought process or what decision matrix they went through. So I'm not going to second guess

them because I don't. And you kind of sound like a Monday morning quarterback when you do that, And I just don't know what There were probably many things that the Joint Chiefs and the sec deaf were telling the President and they made the decision to do it when they did it where they did it, and I don't know what those factors were, So I would just be like, you know, just like running my mouth if I were to try to criticize them. They did it when and where they thought it was best for

whatever reasons that they had and information they had. This reminds me of my Game of Thrones was so successful. People are just intrigued by the intrigue, you know, Like that's why this conversation keeps happening. We're just fascinated by the world and it's a mystery in and of itself. Now, I can tell you I've been a person that has gone to the Pentagon, and I've

been a person around government people before. It is not that exciting. So but but there's like a lot of unknowns, and when people don't know something, it's intriguing. And that's why we keep having these conversations about it. And also, you know, people are always trying to love this stuff at a conspiracy, but some of the truths are more outlandish and bizarre than the

conspiracies. Yeah, there are things that I did not think were true, wouldn't have thought was true, And when Grush said it, I was. There are things that I had to take back. Basically, I had that discussion with Nathan about the whole agreements thing that there may have been agreements made in the Human Intelligence and I'm like, that's yes, I don't believe that. I don't believe such and such president would do that. And then David

Grush came out and said it to Ross Coultark. So that's where I was wrong. And it's very important out there, all of us to come out and say if you're right about something, by all means say well, I hit that one right, got that one right. Also come out and say when you were wrong, because if you don't, you're going to be like some of these debunker guys where they're proven wrong and they just want to go on and I just keep telling the same story because it's like branding. I'm

human, I'm fallible. I'm right sometimes and I'm wrong sometimes. And if you come out and say that when you're right and you're wrong, then people will trust you. If you only tell people when you are right, they'll know you're full of it, that's the bottom line, because they'll know that that's the only time they're going to hear from you is when you hit it right. Sometimes we're wrong. You know more often that there could be interdimensional beings. I guess, deb I don't know. I mean, it's a

possibility, right, We're open to the possibility. Okay, you know, I don't want to sound like these the flesh and blood big foot. No, there's nothing other abilities that they have. The tone is just, you know what, flesh and blood breathing creature may have some glowing eyes for all I know, or be able to project its mind. Who knows. They may have abilities that we just haven't figured out yet. It appears that they do. I'm open to it, but damn, it's a flesh and blood

creature. What other abilities does it have? Might have several for all we know, you know, other abilities that we just can't explain. And there are humans that have abilities that we also can't explain. There are extraordinary people among us. They're probably extraordinary bigfoot among big feet or big foots, I should say deb parting shots my friend Yah. I wanted to say thank you to all the people in the chat for coming and throwing down some info.

And of course, you know, it's like a It is like a reunion, like Julie said in the beginning, right, because the last time it was just you and me was when I did my first episode for Doub's Data Dojo a long time ago. Oh I don't know that that was the last time it was just you and me. I think so, because we know, I think we've just had other people ever since then. So, yeah, this is kind of like a reunion for that, yeb it's a pleasure.

Here in July, we're going on let's see where. So it's April May June, so we're four months away from our three annivers third year anniversary of CAB. We don't got us on ourselves on a network. We're gonna be on Untold Radio network as of May ninth. We are joining Doug Hichek and all of his other shows, Thank You, thank You, and non et. It's always a pleasure to have you, Dave Smothers staying up late. Hopefully his wife doesn't hear him typing, but yeah, he says.

The truth is the two narratives DoD Arrow versus Crush Alizondo both can't be right. We're at the point where before the truth we are at the point before the truth wave collapses. Okay, I know which part of it. I'm gonna go ahead and go surf on the wave with the people who care about making sure pilots are all out to report. Yeah, you know you know

the dd came out with with DoD wide guidance. You saw that, right, Yeah, and when we talked about it was pretty pretty soon after all this hit the fan that you informs me that the Air Force had a formal report coming. But it's just still ridiculous that they had to go through all that to make that happen. Yeah, but we haven't had to my knowledge, we haven't had a DoD It was just released what two three weeks ago, we had a DoD wide procedure. So it doesn't matter whether your Army,

Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps. You will report on this standard form. Yes, arrow is included on who you will give it to. Unfortunately, but that's at least we have a standard form that's more of an acknowledgment to people that something exists that that pilots can't explain, and that should give you pause. I won't say it should excite you, but anyway, debs, all right, we can't do cabby goodbyes because we're all cabbys, but we can wave to each other, wave goodbye to each other right now.

Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you, Julie. I hope the power came back. Thank you, Dave, we're run a farm at least UFO reports only good at least UF four. It's only go to Bigelo. Yeah that was what Yeah, you too used to Yeah that was like I don't know was that Uh was that through moufan if you reported? Now that was that was through the FA. Thank you? I forgot about that right. Yeah, I'll tell you. We're on the farms all over it. Man, Thank you, Dave, Thank you everybody who stopped in.

If you would please hit the like button, hit the oh, Bob Marley Iriman. I'm on UFOs. I'm on the UFOs, A real team, a lot of money involved. Let's find some evidence, man, I'm with you. There's plenty of evidence out there, more than enough evidence too, if we were using the criminal I've used this in Bigfoot a lot. But if the standard of evidence were beyond a reasonable doubt, we would have enough witnesses and enough footage exists out there now that you could secure a criminal

conviction and beyond a reasonable doubt. Just like when you combine Bigfoot with expert testimony from the late John Binderenagele or Jeff Meldrum his three hundred foot casts, the Patterson Gimlin film and a dozen or so experiencers and some DNA results. You could get a criminal conviction that Bigfoot is real. You could do the same with UFOs, so a lot of people. Every person has a different

standard of evidence that they're looking for. To someone who has a great deal of fear about this being real, you are not going to be able to meet that standard. I sparred with a guy who said, Christopher Melan, he hasn't given us nothing. Man, call us back when you got something. I was like, dude, you wouldn't know evidence if it's slapped you in the face. He's like, try me, I have I have a

good example of this. And I said to the guy, well, I gave him all that evidence that I gave you, you know, and it's still not enough. So you want to go up and touch the craft and then see it fly. That's not happening, not in this lifetime. It's the evidence is what it means to you. If you're scared of this and you think this is not a real thing, there ain't no evidence that you're going to get that that is going to suffice for you that that evidence doesn't

exist. It doesn't exist. But you're never going to get to it. So anyway, go ahead, man, I was going to say that this I have this example, and this raps us to the beginning of the show. Remember we talked about unfortunately we lost my bridge and I'm very sad. I told someone about it. They didn't believe me. One thought I was not telling the truth. I showed them the video and they immediately said,

that's fake. That is not true. That is a fake video. That is cg It was not, by the way, I can assure you the bridge is gone. But the point being amazing example you just made. I'm sorry, yeah, amazing. I just I think that's the point though, that if you don't want to believe it, you're not gonna believe it, and you're gonna just jump to whatever is gonna make you feel better. But I have to just point out that again. And you know, there there's

been heavy coverage of this. The people who say they don't believe they profit from that lack that stance, that lack of belief, that point of view. They profit from it too. They have conferences, they have articles about their skepticism, they have alliances, they have gorilla warfare apparently because of the skeptics. They're controlling Wikipedia, they make books, they write books, you know, I just want to point out they profit from that stance. To

you, one hundred percent, one hundred percent DIBs, you're right. So people just need to know and understand that. And I'm not saying believe us you your standard of evidence is, whatever your standard of evidence is. I'm just saying this is not fake. All these things are not happening, and all this legislation and all these pilots and everything in all this is not happening

because there's nothing there. It's happening because there's something there that we don't understand and we don't know what it is that may scare you, you know, like jumping off a bridge would would scare me with a bungee tied to my back. But that's it's just the way it is. It's uh. Hopefully we can all just put our heads together and try to figure out little bits and pieces. That's why it is to stitch all the way back. It's

so important to talk to these experiencers because they they hold the key. They are the ones that have experiences, have spoken to something, have seen more than what we've seen, and whatever little keys that we can get to them, that they remember that, that's good for us. So deb our hour long show went pretty well. What do you think? Yeah, we had a lot to cover. I don't even think I hit all the news points.

But I'm sure you know, something more interesting will happy happening than you know, the Three Body Problem coming out on Netflix soon hopefully, because I'm waiting for those hearings. Man, it was great speaking with you. We have had phone conversations that have been an hour long. I remember back in the early days of CAB I'd go for walk the dogs over by the golf

course and we would talk for an hour easily. Yeah about stuff. I love talking to you, and that's why it's great being on here and going on our third year. And man, we got a prospect debs be like, hey, prospect, give me a beer. All right. Thank you to Courtney. I hope you've had safe travels, court wherever you're driving tonight. I'm sorry we missed you. Carolina Gotia, thank you for jumping in and asking a few questiones. And next next time we do way y'ah off

the meter. You're invited and come and stay for the whole show. Dave is still rolling. Man, he wat's the kid going, Dave. We got to stop the show man. I gotta go shower. I did my job all day long, got up from my desk, ran Todd hot yoga, came home, put some over salted chicken in my mouth, and then jumped on air. But that's how much I love talking about the phenomenon interacting with you guys. I got to interact with EBS tonight and have one of

our old school convos. Thank you so much, everybody. Thank you Debs. Okay, and thank you. I appreciate you, buddy, Thank you, Dave Smith. Ast Oh, here it is. We'll put that little ticker at the bottom. Cab is a money Nathan production. Okay, please give us a like and a subscribe, and I will try to find the video to close the show for Nathan who is vacationing, for Courtney who's on the road, our prospect for Debs, our legend, our legend, and

our research extra Den. This is DJ saying peace out, one love, We'll see you down the road. We're always wondering what's up around the Bend because we don't know. Okay,