CAB #113 Scandinavian Roundtable

Yeah, welcome back to calling all beings. I'm your host DJ on a Scandinavian Saturday with my homies and my co host. You notice down there in the bottom block it says Nathan's acolyte, who is also exos acolyte. So by extension, that makes me also X I'll come back to call them beings. And good afternoon, Nathan. How are you, sir? I'm doing great. I love the Scandinavian Saturday. That's a great one to start doing

that on a regular basis, just anything Scandinavian happening Saturdays. I'm done with that. Sounds like a lot got to got to and also Nathan our co hosts here, Debs. Good, good afternoon, Debs. How are you, ma'am. I'm doing well. I'm happy to see everybody. It's been a minute. Yeah. We want to thank you Debs, because it was really you know, we had done this and we sort of forgot that we

really needed to get more international people into the fold. And one of the I don't know if it was a meeting or if it was a backstage you were like, hey Julie in the chat, good afternoon, Jules, thank you. Love is that much love? Accoletics run their DJA. That's so let's just put in chat debs. You're like, we need to get more of money. He made more international flavor here and you had told us that, and we're like, yes, we got to go out and book some

guests that are not from the US and the UK. It's almost like, uh, we're kind of like all over the community and we really need to get other people's perspective. So I reached out to Andres and we had a phone call which was brilliant, and boy, we really got on like right off the bat. Had a great conversation for about forty forty five minutes, and then I said, Andres, what if we try to get some other Scandinavian nations represented instead? You know, that way not all the pressures on

him. Everybody can can share their experience and also bring a topic today that they would like the others to comment on or a question. So with the help of Vinnie Adams, so shout out to Vinnie Adams, say in hopefully you're going to jump in here. You now have the link how to get in the studio, because the folks want to see the vikings want to see you. You know, It's like Connor McGregor said, right, we didn't

come here to take pot. We came to take over. So the Vikings are in the house, so give some respect, hey man, Amen, all right, so let's let's uh, let's bring him all on screen, Nathan, and then I'll go through the list. Okay, sounds good. All right? So right here representing Finland is my man Andres all right. And the second person to join this joint from Norway. The legend who just I guess was is now like the sort of the leader of the Norwegian group

is Renateey. Yes, I don't did Christian with a seed? Did he make it? Or no? No, I don't see him yet. No, okay, uh, we were supposed to get Linus and then we were supposed to get Christian with the Sea. We'll have to wait in him. But you know what Berg and tell me if I'm saying, is it bergdis or bergs? That's perfect? But yeah, okay from Iceland, we thank you. Yes. And now, last but not least, as I said, I'm watching a TV a Danish TV series right now, Christian Thompson from

Denmark. So welcome Vikings. How are you guys? You put in Mite. Oh man, it is our pleasure. I've only been to two of your countries. I've had a couple of amazing trips to Norway to work with the Norwegian Air Force a garden Mollen and the uh Norwegian special Forces that have a base. Oh man, I'm trying to remember this little little striple land that they have. I'd have to think about that one. And I've got to uh fly around Ice a little bit, and both places are just breathtakingly

beautiful. I love both those places and uh it, it was just flying around there, it's just kind of not like anywhere else. So uh but I do hope to make it to Denmark and Sweden and of course you know Finland as you as as you mentioned, Andre's the happiest people and all here. All right, let me pass it over to my man Money Nathan. Awesome. Hey, it's great to have all of you guys with us.

I think there's at least i'll speak for myself, a deep fascination with the Scandinavian region countries culture that maybe that kind of the US thing we're really interested in. You know, the people there, and it seems like there's a there's a there's a mythology you know that's part of that region that's like embedded

in your culture a certain degree. But I was wondering if you could speak to and not all of you have to answer to this, whoever wants to really, if any of you want to speak to you know, kind of the role that you know, the history of your of the mythology that people plays in the in your people now, because it may not play much of a role anymore as opposed to maybe the role that it played in the past.

And how do you think, you know, the connection to that mythology ties into your maybe openness to the phenomena is it Does it have any connection whatsoever? Or are you purely just looking at this from an entirely scientific perspective. I just you know, speak to that if you don't mind, great question, you can start. I don't know, maybe we'll start with Andreas. Yeah, and it's a really great question. I haven't kind of a

thought of that. M Well, we're pretty we're a pretty young country, you know, a bit over one hundred years like independent, and we have strong like we have strong, a strong old culture. And I think that mythological culture or party is called Kala and we have we have our kind of deities there and it's I think it's it's been pretty strong and uh there's been

like, uh, it's influenced the people here, I guess. But now in the modern day, I don't know how much that plays in into our day to day lives, but I guess I guess you could say it makes us a bit more you know, flexible, open to thinking in different ways. Interesting that I was gonna say, that's a great question. Anybody raise your hand if that if you'd like to tackle that one, that that maybe uh sort of your country's past and the and the mythology, if that,

if that sort of plays into your acceptance of phenomenon I can speak. Do you hear me? Yes? Yeah, I would have to go with a strong no on that one. I would say that for me, it has absolutely I mean, the mythology of Norway doesn't have any link for me to to this phenomenon when it has two U I P. But of course I'm not. I don't speak for everyone in Norway, of course, but I don't think there's really a link there. We had like you know, when

you you say, when you troll someone on the Internet. That actually comes from toll Troll in Norway. That's our method our one of our methodical call my sorry creatures, methodical what's the word, help me out? Mythological logical? You know, I'm not English and mythological. That's one of our mythological creatures. So they're big and ugly and stupid and yeah, so that's one

of those. But I don't really see any link towards this phenomenon. Yeah, and that that's basically how we learn is because we, you know, ask these questions, you know, we want to know, like what's your position? You know, because we haven't none of us on the show have ever interviewed anybody from from the Scandinavian country. So that's why we're dealing this home girl. But guess what. Vinnie Adams in the house. Hey guys,

how's it going. Hey Christian, he's got the wine. I'm on the bear room though I know, I know he comes to the fates and similating culturally cultural assimilation. You know, what can I say? But listen, I can't stay. Unfortunately, I've got a few things to get on it. But I just wanted to jump on and say hello to everybody. So I'll be excited to watch this full show back later. All right,

Thank you, Vinny. And by the way, before I let you go, thank you for helping me put this together, because I think you gave me two or three addresses on or the handles on Twitter to contact to put this together. So thank you, brother. We appreciate you, and I'll speak with you later. All right, All right, guys, have a

great show. Bye bye bye, now bye. All right, back to the lecture at hand, Nathan, what do you think if maybe we do a couple minutes for everybody to give sort of a state of the union in their country, and then after that, what we're gonna do is we'll start with Andreas and we'll just go around and everybody will have either a comment or a question, and the rest of the roundtable we'll get to comment on what

your thought is. So let's start with Andreas. If you could just give everybody the state of of of UAP as you see it in Finland, then we'll move on Ton and so on. Great, Yeah, thanks, as I see it. I would say, we have like we have the same stuff you have in the States, on you know, the private level, but on the public level, not so much. So, I mean, we have we have UFOs here, We've had them, you know, from the thirties reports, we have a lot of reports and sightings, we have

the abductees, we have seemingly some materials here. Even we have a couple of official UFO organizations here. And there seem to have been a big UFO boom in the in the seventies, and I kind of checked that aligns with that when all the or four of our nuclear kind of reactors were kind of started on. So I don't know if it's has a connection there, but I think it's kind of an interesting, interesting coincidence. But yeah, there is a lot of interest here. There are groups, you know, gatherings

people, people are sharing their experiences. I've been talking to abductees and and and so forward. But but I'd say that we're not there on the on the public level, on the news uh kind of media level. On the government level, there's no statement from the government. There is like silence on on the topic. And and I think that's that's what we should work on here in Finland to to kind of And I feel also that the community or

or the different UFO groups and and and groupments and organizations. Uh, there is a lot of energy and it feels like they want to burst through to to the mainstream, and but it hasn't happened. And we have like we borrow probably borrow the stigma from you guys there. So we have stigma here. But I think I believe that most of the people here still believe that

there is life outside the planet. And I don't know if I'm taking up too much time, but I've kind of tried to probe a little bit the media, the government and and the Defense Department of our country to kind of ask them what they know. So I've been sending letters. Just cut me off if I'm rambling on too long, but chop your mic off right away.

And I'm scared. Yeah that's good, sounds good. But yeah, So I've kind of been following you guys, and I've linked I've composed compiled mails to where I kind of reference to, for instance, the Schumer Amendment, Uh, the Schumer and rounds kind of a quality quality when they speak on the Senate, for you know that the Transiti script. So I've added that, and then I've added a center link from the uh Preliminary Assessment on

identity faderia phenomena from twenty twenty one and twenty twenty three. So I can send all those things to different places and given translations in Finnish like or summaries. And I have a list here of who I sent them to, and I'm actually having a point because I have one reply, which is a bit

cool. But I've sent them to the Ministry of Defense, to the Finnish Security and Intelligence Service, to Defense Command Finland, to the former Defense Minister, to some select parliament members, and then to major newspapers and to the Finnish National Archives. And then we have something akin to FOYA, so the Ministry of Interior. You can kind of foia them for stuff. So I've sent these kind of things like do you know I've asked them, do you

know what's going on in the in the US? Do you know about the up UFOs? And do you have classified or declassified information about this? And the Finnish National arcads were really helpful. They kind of they said told me that it's really hard to find the specific information because it's not categorized correctly. But they have a lot of secret letters from between Russian and Finland or Soviet

and Finland from the thirties and forties mentioning ghost chips. And I'm actually going next week to kind of read those documents and kind of try to maybe find some more. But the you know, interesting thing here is that I got

one reply from none other than the Ministry of Defense. They actually replied to my email, and I asked them, as I said, that do they know about these developments in the United States, about UFOs UAPs and do they have any classified or un classified the information about this, And now Google Translate translated their finished response to me like this, dear andress, thank you for

your message and your interest in national defense. Finland's intelligence operations are of a very high standard and our understanding of the situation is very good in all aspects all respects. However, we cannot open the details of the inquiry to the public, so it's kind of a you know, some kind of an answer at least. And then I tried to press them that do they think UAP

posts a national security threat to national security in Finland? And to that they answered, I have nothing more, nothing further further to add to my previous statement. So that's the situation in Finland. I'd say so her first thing I want to do is I want to applaud you right there, Andreas, thank you, thank you, and I'm gonna and I'm going to tell you why. And I've picked on the Brits about this, so they've heard me

say it. You are addressing your own government in this effort, because if you are from outside the US, you can address the US congressman all day long, doesn't matter you. The war needs to be fought on multiple fronts. So everybody from their country should be addressing their government on this issue. And that's how you're going to create movement when there's pressure on multiple sides. Because Chuck Schumer doesn't owe you anything. You could sit there and email them

all day. You're not one of his constituents, you don't vote for president, you don't vote in their elections, don't care. So this is an excellent example of what needs to be done. And I'm not just picking on the Brits. I mean everybody should be addressing their own government on what they

have if in fact you know that they have something. And this is also I'm hoping that this will lead to conversations behind the scenes and on Twitter and in public between you and RENATEE and Christian right and bergdis and the other Christian et cetera. To how to strategize and to approach your government about this. That's how we're going to get movement will handle lobbying in the US. You guys can't. You might think you can by tweeting about them, but you

can't. So that's you know, that's that's my opinion on that. Let's go to renate please, ma'am. Yeah. So the situation in Norway is was I guess more popular to be interested in this topic in the nineties. The organization that I'm a leader for was was well, I guess a lot more popular back then. I was not in the organization at that time, but this has been information that's been given to me. So so the the there was a hype like in the nineties, but then it's gone steady downwards.

I would say in Norway there is a lot of stigma attached to this topic. I don't know if it's more or less than in Sweden and Denmark, but I suspect that it's actually more maybe in Norway. So there's really no talk about it unless you're in you know, in this uh, this sphere or this like UFO bubble, whatever you want to call it, if you're on X or if you if you listen to podcasts, But like in

the official sphere, there's no we don't talk about it. You know, maybe there was actually they talked about it when when Grush was testifying in June, so I was surprised that that was on the newstand. But other than that, you know, nothing really happened either. But it does happen. I mean things happen, but just not We don't have any any real events that a lot of people see and they report on. It's one one person saw this. One person saw that, and they want to stay anonymous because

it's so much stigma attached to it. So you're really like, we're not getting any momentum at all here, and it's very I guess you can say it's irritating because you know you want to know. But you know there are stories. We have our own own magazine that we publish four four times a year, so and people can't call yeah, and they call us when and they make reports on our website, so we get information, but it's nothing that we can say definitely this happened. This person said this, it's incredible

witnesses. We don't have those cases. Unfortunately, we're hoping that we will get them. Maybe this is just a theory, but does it have to do with the fact that we're not an atomic state or we don't have any nuclear weapons, We don't have any nuclear facilities, we have nothing like that, and you get the idea that a lot of these objects are around these facilities or close to attached to the nuclear power somehow, and we don't have

that. But again that's just a theory. I don't know, but we have, of course had some cases that have been special that that still remains that people in this environment knows about, but not everyone like in Norway, and we don't have many UFO organizations. We have really just the one that I'm the leader of. There might be others that are smaller but not that don't have any members, but maybe they're on X or have you know,

maybe a couple of people. I'm much quite sure, but we're I guess I think we're the only ones that have members that pay and you get a magazine. That's the organization that I lead. Yeah, by the way, yeah thanks so yeah, and yeah, may I ask may I ask one question, do you happen to know what your government like if they are in the possession of materials or if they have a program that goes out and studies or captures. Uh, if there's any any down material do you know anything,

have any info on that? No, unfortunately I don't. There have been There is this one story that was circulated around but that there was this UFO that was down, but then made a lot of research research on it and they concluded that it was false. So, you know, but I don't necessarily think that the Norwegian governments knows that much, to be honest, and I could be wrong, But I also work in the government in the in the reserves as a captain, so I alway, so I always have

to think about what I say. So I'm very careful to you know, say anything about my government because you know, they're my employer. But by but my my my initiation, my thought is that they don't really know. That's what I think about it. So I feel your pain. I'm a former government employee as well. Uh. So I I also had to had to walk that line for several years that we had this show. I had did two different roles with the government, so it's kind of something that you

have to do behind the scenes. But yeah, I also would uh exactly like you, I wouldn't say it in public. And also I want to say, like, I want to try to just frame this real quickly. If I were to go to the UK and approach go to a public meeting with a member of parliament, be that in Ireland or Scotland or England, and I were to stand up or walk up to that person say you know what, you on a social issue and said, you know what, you

guys really need to get yourself together on this issue. We need transparency. He would hear my accents say, wait a minute, man, once you go fix the gun violence in the US and then come back and talk to me right like. So that that is how, that's how you. And if I were a legislator in the United States and someone came from out of the country and approached me in a public setting, I would say the same. I would say, look, we've got legislation on the books. You

have nothing. Go back to your own country and lobby them. That's what they would say. That's what I would say. If anybody from another country approached me and saw the progress we've made and then and then compared it to their own country. So that's the sort of the way that I'm saying this.

I'm not saying it to sort of be mean to anybody, but I just think that's the way to approach it, is to is to get movement on multiple sides, so that officials from your country begin talking to the officials from the US, uh, you know, from the Department of Defense or whatever, and saying, look, you know, we're getting pressure on our side too about this, So you know, if it pressure is only coming from one side, you know, hey, we could just have a unified

front right here. Yeah, my forces right here. Because there's no flanking maneuver, and there's no maneuver from from the app position there. All the pressure is coming in one direction. It's easy to just block that one that that that one position. So anyway, let's get to who's next? Is it? Iceland? Bergs, Yes, Hi, thank you, and thank you so much for having me. This is a first for me alive of any kind, and I feel honored to be here with my fellow Scandinavians.

So, Iceland, there's really nothing going on here. I just discovered this by accident like three years ago. I was listening to podcasts and I was like, I just realized and I was like, wow, okay, this is real, and I just I was a sponge for two or three years about this, but just so it was just me with myself. I wasn't really talking to anybody about it, so I'm just I actually, though,

have reached out to the Coastguard because they are our defense department. I asked them, you know, is there a database, what is there something where can I look for instances in Iceland? And who do I talk to? And he says, you talk to me, and then it goes to NATO. So Iceland is I guess an extension of NATO, and I guess the US when it comes to this. So I haven't bothered going further because I actually had a video. I have a video. I'm going to share it

with you guys, and I shared it with them. They told me it was not spotted on radar, but I saw it nonetheless, so I know there's a presence here. But yeah, nothing's really going on. The media doesn't really talk about it, you know, David Grush. They did maybe one or two news about it, but then you know, nobody's talking about it, so yeah, I'm just excited about what's to come. You know, we were talking about what a perfect place for the phenomenon on Iceland is.

It's just a perfect location for them. So Nathan, when do you want to do videos? Do you want to do it at the end or when would you like to do it? Whenever? I can? I have some in the file folder that you shared. I don't know if I have this one, but yeah, I mean where do you think would be better to keep going to show it now? Or do you think would be better to show it after we do the roundtable portion? We can do it now if I better see you have a data Vaye, Well, can you share

your screen? Yes? I can. I just need to know how I do it setting at the bottom okay, let me see just click there and there should be an option for that. Okay, my prescription. These guys have to double it's double strength. Is anything happening now? System audio? And at the very worst, I can have you drop it in the folder that Nathan has access to and he can pick it up from there. So

you have the link. Well okay, yeah, just drop it in there and Nathan's getting paid a lot of money to do this, this technical director stuff so and executive producer. All right, Christian no here and Mark, I'm actually running Facebook group with about over four thousand members and updating them every day. I have some moderators, but it's meet as mainly the admin on this Facebook group, and we are putting up stuff to the Danish people every

day. It's a private group, but we see many join. So yeah. Then then we have a really public podcast called Flying Saucer or few Units a lagen some as we call it here in the Mark and it's on our main broadcast station and it's really probably millions of downloads on Spotify and also on

the main page broadcasting page on the internet. So other than this, that came a statement from our defense minister in two thousand and one that said that in the last ten years we didn't have any UFOs on our radars or systems or something, and that was asked because of the situation that goes on in the States, and there was another politician that wanted to hear what we are doing in Denmark, but as as he was told that every public statement on

UFOs goes to an organization called Soufoy. That's an old, old organization in Denmark. They have of form people can fill in and they have had this for decades. So that's the way the public can report on the UFO sightings

here in Denmark. But but again I was noticed by Winnie Adams on his podcast Disclosure Team that he got Lewis Alessandro and he had a presentation I think in twenty nineteen that states that Sweden and Denmark and some other countries had some UFO programs and I wasn't aware of that, but he stated on Winnie Adams talked to that it was actually when he was at EIGHTIP. Yeah, that

is that is really really helpful to you guys that Lou knows that. And he would know right because he when he was the director of a TIP, he probably was in contact with not only the Five Eyes, even though you guys aren't part of five Eyes, I'm sure there's conversation. So that tells you that you can engage at least Christian and Christian And by the way, welcome Christian from Sweden. How's it going, brother, Thank you, it's going great. I just yeah, go a little bit late here, sorry,

but I'm here now. Please proceed now. This is excellent and I'll tell you what. You and Andreas have the two best beards I think on the show very much. I don't know Sheriff of Nottingham meets Ragner Lockbrook. I'm not sure, but they look great. So great job guys, keeping up wide. Yeah all right, so but that that that's really good to hear Christian with a K on that because then you can engage. Yeah, there was a I'm following a lot of people also here in Denmark, and

one is an as astro physicista. Yeah, and and he is a member of I think a board on on space affairs because he stated that he's responsible for any activities uh above one hundred kilometers a sky and then into maybe space, you know. So that and and they I know they had a meeting after the shootdowns in the US of the balloons, uh or maybe one balloon.

We don't know. The others were balloons just right, right, we don't know what those were, right, No, but yeah, so so they they actually had a meeting to discuss are we are we sure that we can handle Chinese balloons? I think on something later, you know, yeah, well, you know, depending upon where they are. There's an issue with shooting something down because figuring out where it's gonna land, landing on someone's

house, landing on someone's campsite, you know. So that's why they waited for them to go over go over the ocean, I think, and shut them down and said, well, okay, there's less of a chance it's gonna land in an urban or suburban area here than if we just take you know, at first glance, we send a fighter up to take a shot at it. So it's a very difficult thing. People were asking me, what do you think about that? I'm like, well, what do I

think? I think I don't know everything all that goes into the decision of when and where to shoot that down and without knowing that you're just gonna go this should have shot down then let it fly over the US. And it's like, I'm sure that they took all of these things into account and things that we don't even know what went into their thought process. But anyway,

Christian the other Christians back. So what we're going to do, Christian from Sweden is get a quick state of what's going on in Sweden from your perspective, and then we're going to start the roundtable where everyone is going to present either a topic or a question to the group and everyone will get an opportunity to comment on that. So please, without further ado, let's get Christian from Sweden. What's going on over there? Sir? Yes, Hello,

guys, I have quite a quite a speech to make. I'm not sure if this is the right moment or if I should take that later. Well, it depends on how long it is. How long are you talking? Are we doing twenty minutes or five minutes? Ten? Then maybe okay, let's go for seven and a half? Be six synct all right, go ahead, okay, yes, so yeah, and I'm today I'm speaking on my own behalf, not your the Swedens, and this is not the official

position of our network. Everyone has their own opinions. And yeah, before I get further, I would just like to establish two facts. Firstly, the media coverage here is absolutely abysmal in conversation to the States and in consequence, so it's the level of interest and knowledge among the general public. As an example, a few months ago, on a very popular quiz show on State TV called Postported, there was a question to name the secret military base

out in Nevada's desert. The celebrity participants are mostly quite well informed on various topics, and one of the teams got it right, but the other guest area fifty seven after some internal debate the business level in society here it's easy to forget in the circle of people I normally speak with. And secondly, there's an element within the Swedish military that takes an active interest in the topic.

This is abundantly clear due to witness testimony from personal friends to us near our network, while whom I have no reason to distrust, and the official line, however, is that the military has no interest in the topic nor any contemporary sightings. Due to a tradition of public trust in our governments that stands in stark contrast to that in the US, US very few questions this

official line. So with these two statements as background, I would also like to speak on the state of this information in Sweden, and also I believe the situation in Denmark is quite similar as well. We heard we would Russian many others speak of a sophisticated disinformation campaign designed to obfuscate the truth regarding the physical reality of UFOs from the public as well as the existence of crash retrieval

and reverse engineering programs. It appears, though, that the ins and out when it comes to the actual spread of this campaign is still wholly understood within eupology. It is my conviction that we can identify a central aspect of it,

namely the infiltration of civilian youth organizations. And I think this goes back all the way to KNEECAP in the fifties and sixties, which literally had first director of c CIA Losco Hellenicopter on its board, and a more recent example would be Gams Carrion, the former director of Newform, was almost always aiming to identify man made technology as the source of youthful sightings. In Christopher Bledsoe's book, you can read about how Carrion came to him with our documentary crew

and the very clear intention to debunk his story. And as we may know, Bledsoe has many friends within various government agencies, one of whom apparently told him that Jims Carrion was indeed a disinformation agent are planned by some free letter agency and when analyzing Carrion's behavior, which constantly seemed to discredit that any form of non human intelligence is behind the youthful phenomenon. It actually makes a lot

of sense that he would be planted there to spread this message. When you think about it, the best way to spread this information about eupotopic is of course to compromise the discourse on the subject that is euphology, specifically by influencing youth organizations. You can really suck up all the interest in the topic and

then go on to control and shape it. And there's strong indications that the same thing has been going on in Denmark and Sweden, especially since the nineties, with the leadership of the organization EUFU Studier here in Sweden and SUFUI in Denmark. As far as I can tell, these two or more or less sister organizations with similar structures and mutual respect for each other, both investigate YOUUFHU reports sent in by civilians and aiming to be the national authority on the topic.

And I would like to continue by throwing out some disclaimers here. Of course, the wider membership in these organizations are good, honest people, interested in the topic and doing their best investigations of euthu sightings, and the same goes on from upon, by the way, which is full of complent people

and now also have better leadership by all indication. In the event that a small handful of people in the leadership of these organizations have any other agenda when that is given to them by people from within the natural security states, this

does not make them bad people. I'm sure that they believe that they are doing what is best, and many people with a lot of knowledge on the topic, for instance, some within the Invisible College are by their own admission, not wholly pro disclosure, as they do not see that as beneficial to

society, I guess. Nevertheless, it appears that the leadership of both Euthosparia and are not completely honest in how they engage in the topic on a number of points, and I believe this has been quite detrimental to the level of interest and knowledge within our two countries. The people in charge of Sufui are straight up one hundred percent unpulugetic debunkers, claiming that the whole phenomenon can be

explained by mass suchosis, weather, balloons, etcetera. While are balloons from kids parties and yeah, exactly, but still they encourage bitnesses to report their euthusytings to them only to them go on and find some mundane explanation for it. This seems to be their aim. The whole thing is very suspect and frankly quite absurd when you get into the topic. So investigating civilian cases is also the central pillar of eufusarius activity. Unlike SUFOI, they don't aim to

debunk every case. They do, however, in my view, manipulate their own statistics in a very blatant and silly way, so that only between zero two cases per year are defined as UFOs, when the real number ought to be much higher, even according to their own very strict criteria. And this is maybe we can get back to this topic later, but in general I think ufusaria are a bit more nuanced than suvui, not full on the bunkers.

They at least acknowledge the reality of the phenomenon. However, when you try to get a straight answer from what might be behind it, it's like talking to a politician, never a straight answer, and I don't think I ever heard of them talk of non human intelligence as a reality, and the extra terrestrial hypothesis in particular. They take any opportunity to make a straw man out of and mock Sufui keeps referring to the Euphu myth, and Eufusaria talks

about the Ufu mystery. There's no satisfactory explanations and we can never be free from doubt. And they focus quite often on local cases, historical local cases and not really limits Roswell Aerial School and so on. So you can really question this scientific approach here making the hypothesis at taboo and only collecting data. Yes, and the main guy here is plus one, our big hero who's been so important for euthology in Sweden, is pretty much synonymous with the organization.

And also he's been working in media and pretty much been the only guy that has been approached from media last thirty years. He's been a journalist at one of our major newspapers, and whatever media outlet wants an expert opinion on the matter, he's to go to a guy think some of you in a panel to They know him personally and only have good things to say about him. And again I'm not here to criticize too much. I'm so shortly class. Does what he thinks is best and believes is right. But some things

are highly suspect. For instance, whenever he's interviewed in conjunction to the latest Arrow report, he does nothing to question the sincerity in Arrow's motives and instead emphasizes Kirkpatrick has done a good job and Grush's testimony, on the other hand, he has mentioned as a conspiracy theory in the same breath as flat utters and in general, the whole leadership's response to Grusher's claims have been very tappid, just claiming that, ah, we heard this all before, as if

that discounts their validity. Yeah, this analysis is to be expected by skeptics who, let's be honest, you generally have a very poor knowledge of the topic. But this isn't the case with this guess at all classes fifty years experience in the topic, they are very knowledgeable, and they are of course aware of things like the Admiral Wilson leak and all the substantiating evidence. It seems like they pretend that they're not aware of it. I'm not the first

to smell something fishy here. People have been saying that classes here to keep the lid on since they took over in somewhat of a coup in the early nineties. And what I find the most sad is that there's been an environment created where witnesses and experiences feel the trusted and as a consequence, remained silence. They are grouped together with lunatics, and I don't think that's very healthy.

So, and even if you don't believe that there's any hidden agenda here, I probably would with the limited evidence that I've provided, these organizations have likely played a very significant role in the level of interest and knowledge of the topic. Heer in Scandinavia. I'm I'm gonna tell you, brother, I want to I want to make an applause because I love what you had to say. Uh. And I'll tell you what. We're also not thrilled with

our media either. We feel like they are carrying the water for certain organizations that want to keep this secret. And so says Ross Coltart. So it says George Knapp and Jeremy Corbel because uh, you know you you you have someone who testified under oath, uh that he has evidence of these things and that he spoke with Sean Kirkpatrick. And then you have arrow saying Yep,

nobody's coming to us told us anything. It's like, oh, okay, well, somebody testified under oath that that's not the case, and there's actually more than just just him, not to mention lou Elizondo and others. So thank you, Christian. That was brill speech that you made. What we'd like to do Now I'm going to shut up. I'm going to turn it over to Nathan and Ebs and we're going to start with the order i'd like to go in. It's just the order that you kind of join this effort.

Andreas renatee, Christian with the C bergdis and Christian with a K. And because we only have about forty two minutes left, what I need to do is for you guys to be brief and succinct in your topics and in your answers. So starting with Andrea's presents, your your topic or your question, and then it will go around the table to everybody else to be able to comment on it. But like I said, be brief because we were running. We're running a little bit behind, so please go ahead, sir.

Okay, Well, I'm going to choose a pretty quick topic. Then. My background is in app development and game development, and I'll make west I'm just kidd I'm sorry, pretty much been doing that all my life. So this is a question and it's brief and you're going to love it. What kind of So there are some apps out there, but what kind of u A p UFO related app or game do you think would be good to have? Would that would benefit the kind of effort to rent? What would

benefits this topic? Yeah? How could we kind of use an app to what kind of app could we use? Could we make? Could we create? I guess they're already people, different people, different groups that are making these apps. I've already met one or two who does do that. I think the main problem is actually getting people to use the apps, because you can have an app, but you people who are not interested in this topic will never have that app on their phone. So I agree with the idea,

and I love the idea. I just see a problem with actually people having the app. You know, when they see something. I think like ninety nine percent will not have that app on the phone because they don't care. So the information that we want people to have about this topic, you know, you need this app because when you see something, we want you to register it. I think that's the main problem. And there are already some apps out there where you can plot in what you saw and it goes

to this common register kind of thing. So yeah, that's my answer. I guess cool Christian Wild, I think, yeah, already spoke so much. I don't have anything else that I want to talk about. And I have an interesting saying that I say sometimes that I found in a AI generated Batman script, which is the following I have never followed a rule. That is my rule? Do you follow? I don't, so I'm skipping this point. All right, all right, well, thank you. Let's move

on to Berg. What kind of an app do you think that the UFO community needs? Wow? Okay, so I haven't really thought about this, but I do have myself the Enigma Labs app and I did upload one video to there. I mean, it's a good concept, and I'm thinking something like that, like the Enigma Labs app where you can upload what you see. You can upload your video and also see videos around you incidents around the

world. So that's that's a good concept. And also I just want to point out real quick debs, is it Baptiste Free Free Court that has an app coming out or has an app out? Right? Yes? And Hollywood from Liverpool in the UK has the nano app that is, I don't know if I think it's next month. She's having her soft release of that app, which I think all three of us will be testing on this show. So just just let you know there are some apps out there that are coming

out from people in the community. Let's go with Christian with a K please. Yeah, I actually made an app myself for for Android users only, but we we didn't have the resources to market it. So that's that's the whole point that we we really need to get someone to use it or or it won't benefit anything. But the the app I made is a UFO alert app where you can press a button and where you are, where you see

the UFO, everyone in a fifty fifteen kilometers will be alerted. If you got the app yourself, and then they can push the button if they see it, and so you can drag it that day, you know so and then maybe reported in later, but you will be alerted if anything happens in yours guys, if anybody else sees it, and then the phone will start ring, you know, flood and you can yeah see on the skies if you can see it, and if you see it, then you push the

button and so on. So there you go, Andreas. I think Christian likes the idea of the app because he made one and he's like, yeah, I'm an Android user, damn right. But anyway, Debs is going to elbow her way into this Viking round table. Debs, you had a yes or question, so and let's frame it up, my friend. Yeah.

So that recently the European Parliament put out a presentation. I was wondering if you guys felt like that presentation of many people in Europe was helpful with the stigma battle that you are facing and you can just say yes, sir no, because I know we are on a time crich Andreas, was that helpful? Yeah, sure not, it's unmute, my friend, it's okay, migo. Which which presentation on what was? It? Was on merch twentieth the European Union. I was there, Yeah, so I was yeahful.

Oh yeah. The question was if that if it helped reduce the I think it's a very good thing that they did that, and I think that it will you know, help a little bit, you know, step by step. Yeah. So it was a great, great initiative small steps and Christian of the Sea, Yes, I think it was a good step, davy steps. I mean, we've never seen something like this and you yet as far as I'm aware, So I think this is a good start for people to get into the topic. But surely I would have hoped for a

bit more. But it was okay, good step, tapid enthusiasm Christian with a K. Yeah, it was a really baby step. And I saw Robert Fleischer from Germany we're with the panel so and he's really outspoken, so maybe that's that's a good thing. Yeah, take it. I'm sorry, bergdis sorry, skifty over man. Yes, definitely, yep, i'd see those are great steps. I mean it's just step by step, you know, how we go. We progress has been slow. You know, they're

pushing back now, but you know eventually it'll get there. So next with their topic is to please all right, So I will ask maybe an unconventional question, but I would urge people to be honest and not to mention names or anything like that. I'm not looking for, you know, calling out people, but I would like to ask a difficult question. What is it that we are doing wrong? I mean, what is the community doing wrong?

Why is this topic not being elevated. There are a lot of things we know that we can do more of, but are we doing anything wrong? Are we doing like what are we missing? Because it's not going mainstream and we can always complain and put the blame on someone else, but what what are we missing? And what can't we elevate this topic and get more people interested? So I'm just like, I'd just like to know is there

anything we could do differently? Is there something we could do less? It's going to be first, I'm going first, Well, we could as a community, we could be less hostile, we could be less judging, and we could be less bickering about who said what and who said and who's telling the truth and so forward. We could be more open. But getting people from outside in, I would say, well, focus on the nuts and boats, not the wou side. So go talk talk about official stuff,

government official stuff. That's what I've sent to all the media, all our government too. And the book that kind of got me in a way really invested in UFOs was less the Keynes, UFOs generals and so on, And I think that's like that kind of information, that kind of stuff is I think gets people in. Then when you get in then you can go down the rabbit rabbit hole and you know, learn about shadow people and orbs and

poltergates and stuff like that. Humanity is the biggest sort of sticking point is that we are we are sort of born and bred to argue and fight with one another instead of if we could just even just say, well, there's something out there, we don't know what it is. At least we know there's something, then we can all sort of you know, pull in the same direction. But in the same time we're trying to create change that there's people who are going, well, there's nothing to see, So what do

we need to create change about. Well, obviously there's something that these people are reporting and we can't agree on that, so that makes it I think that makes it really difficult, which leads to what you talked about is all the bickering. But who is next? Let's go to So this was NAT's

question, So let's go to Christian with the Sea. Yes, I think we need to trust ourselves more and not wait for official people to tell us when something is confirmed us on because I mean, just a few years ago, I have another very good example when the pandemic hit who had undertakenel here in Sweden, who was basically standing up to the rest of the world and basically every Western government and saying that no, no, I'm looking at the

science and this is how we should do it. And Sweden did that differently. And I think you can argue that he had right in many things he said, even though he had so many colleagues, friends, family, people in Sweden and basically the rest of the world against him. So we need to identify people who seem to be the most knowledge gibil and follow them and not spread all cance of information about everything. At the same time, I

think I think we need to get much more focused. Couldn't couldn't agree more with that. Next to is bergs man, Okay, so we're I think we're doing so much right. What I've been thinking is this takes a long time, and I mean mainstream media, it's not something to look to. I don't because aren't they just the extension of, you know, the government's policy in this. But I think maybe the youth, you know, the younger people, you know, get them invested. I know everybody's really excited

about this in Iceland. Everybody I talk to is excited about this. So I think we're doing Yeah, we're doing what's right. What are we doing wrong? My friend, Christian, I don't think we're doing anything wrong. We have been doing so much right. We have been making politician take it up in Congress. We have the sole foundation now. We have been really doing many things right. But what I see is wrong is the secrecy around the topic from governments, from the phenomena itself, and also the military.

We haven't got anything from the Air Force. Yeah, why not? You know, a bias show of hands. Does anybody feel like if I were abducted by the phenomenon, I would come back with the full head of anybody? Nathan? Oh, yeah, we're not there, thank you. Yeah, all right, Nathan. What are we doing wrong? Sir? Yeah, this is a really good question, and a really complicated one too. I think you know, you've all hinted at the fact we're dealing with decades

of stigma, and stigma is incredibly powerful. I think about just take the United States as an example on a separate matter. You know, we've been a very strongly sort of Christian country in our in our heritage, right, yeah, exactly. Uh, that's three Christians on the show now. So, and I'm using this as an example because for the longest time, Christianity was such a strong part of our culture. That was odd if you did not go to church, or it was odd if you were not a part

of a faith community. Even if it wasn't Christianity, would would be odd if you weren't a part of some faith community. It took time quite a lot of time, in fact, decades, for people to be more comfortable with who they were and begin doing really what they felt it was okay to

do. In other words, there was an extreme amount of pressure, societal pressure to be part of these organizations, even if you know, personally people didn't necessarily feel compelled to be part of them, right and so, and that that stems in part because human beings, I think, are you know, we're incredibly mimetic beings. We like to copy what other people are doing. You know, we look, we look out and we say, okay, what what are the people around me? You know, how are they

behaving, how are they dressing? What are they thinking? I'm going to basically try to parrot a lot of those same things, because then that that validates, you know, sort of my identity and it situates me within that community because we are very communal as a as a species as well. So I'm bringing these things up because the stigma is very strongly rooted in this sort

of social you know, pressure to conform or whatnot. And I think it just takes a lot of time hammering it that to get the right people coming forward who give permission to others just by virtue of their bravery coming forward like all of you incredibly brave coming forward in your communities to be advocates for this, so that people who see those individuals can say the more those people do, that people can see them and say, oh, like, I guess

it is okay for me to be interested in this, to want to study this, to be comfortable talking about and experience I had. I mean, how many stories have we heard of individuals that held a story inside for years and didn't tell anyone about it because they were so afraid of how they would be received, right, So it took so long for some people just to

come forward with their own experience. So the bravery of individuals like all of you and the folks that we've already talked about, the David Greshes, the Loueli Zondo's Chris Mellans, et cetera, et cetera. These are folks that help, I think, push this forward. But it doesn't happen overnight, and the pushback is very strong, right we're seeing that in real time right now, you know, with the raw report and the you know, there's

nothing to see here and whatever comes out. It's a funny place that we find ourselves because at least in the United States, and you talked about Sweden and the trust in the government there, it's not that case in the United States anymore. That the trust in the government is highly it has been highly

eroded. And so we have a funny place now where it's like, well, the government said there's nothing to see here, but a lot of people don't trust the government inherently, but they interestingly want to trust the government on this particular just one. Yeah, it's a really perplexing, you know sort of situation, and I think it leaves people in a place of confusion really

at the end of the day. And what will clear up confusion better than anything else, more facts, more information, more people who are brave and coming forward and talking about what they know, presenting evidence about what they know.

So it's a really long answer to an amazing question. I don't know if I did that justice, but you know, this is these are the challenges that I see in front of us, to be able to talk about this more openly and really further and push the study of whatever this happens to be, and make it okay to be interested in this and try to get some answers. As Nathan's acolyte, I am required to agree with everything that

he just said, So no, I really do. I really do agree Nathan that it was was brilliantly stated, let's go to uh des Deb's What are we doing wrong, my friend? We're doing several things wrong. One was lack of organization that I faced when I came into the topic. I feel like people should be able to go to one place to find information about everything, and I tried to do that with the UFO connector. Because all

this information is all over the place. I think not listening to experienceers and really getting information from them is a big problem, and the government's still trying to do that. They're trying to only go to radar reports or you know, pilots, but they're not talking to civilian experiences and then the other really big one. And I have to say, this is some of the terminology

we use even repels me. And I've talked about this before. When people say zata, reticuli or Nordic, I'm like, I'm out, like now, don't like, please don't say those things like that. That repels me. So if that repels me, who knows so much about the topic, you can imagine people in public would want to stay away from things like that too. It has sort of like a kind of weird religious fervor to it when people get into things like those terms. So I really think we should

avoid it. And I've been to a site that was led by people that I would have said were very reputable, and they had a whole bunch of information like that on the site. And again I was like, ooh, yeah, no, I'm I'm moving away now because because those terms, we don't know for sure that that's what the people are called, or you know, you know, people say entities other I tens of sometimes call them people we don't know. So we really should avoid locking ourselves in to terms like

that. Yeah, I had to say Nordic at least once today. Okay, I agree. One hundred des because people will describe these folks as all, well, they had long hair, long blonde hair, and translucent skin, so that must mean they're Nordic. I don't know. We have a whole group of them right here, and none of them have translucent skin or long blonde hair like like thor so I don't know. Yeah, it does. It gets in kind of like a I don't know, very Tropishuh.

And the same thing, like you said, was zeta reticuli or using the et you know, to try to make it sound less plausible by just saying et. So yeah, it does add an unneeded stigma. Uh. But let's go to a Christian with a sea with whatever your topic or question is for the group, sir. Yes, so my topic is. I mean, when you get into a sudden depth in the topic, it's quite common to want to tell the whole world what you have realized them to spread everything

that you think. And for me, it's really been a journey, and lately I've gone much more inside and focused more on personal development and getting strong in my beliefs and and this is kind of related to what I talked about before with this massive amount of information and also kind of a type of gaslighting that goes on within the UFO community as well, where some some type of

information just goes around and around and whenever reach reach further. So I wanted to ask you if anyone has been thinking the same that you've been focusing more on yourself, or if you have any ideas or recommendations what you have been doing, if you've been thinking in the same way, or is it only me who's been going more inward recently and trying to work on myself more than changing the world. I suspect you're not the only one. I just want

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sorry, could you sum up the question speak for the other part? Yeah, the summary of it, Christian. The summary is for myself, I've gone from a place of wanting to spread the word to all of the word and to share a lot of information into focusing on my own journey and it's no development and getting stronger in my own beliefs and my own knowledge. And I wanted to hear if anyone else has been feeling the same way, and

if you have any recommendations of what you have been doing it. If so, or maybe I'm the only one thinking this way, No, I think for me this has been there's been a lot of personal growth because I mean this is like, as you know, paradigm shifting. This is so huge. So for me, my mind was blown and I was at that stage right And that's why I started a podcast. I felt like I really had

to share this. I just had to. And I'm already going out on my comfort zone just doing the podcast, and but I have this force kind of within me just driving me forward. I've never been this you know, passionate about anything, so you know that also has been huge for me. But yeah, but yeah, I agree, I'm there with you for sure. Okay. Yeah, and I just saw I actually just saw you very just about the email. So I'll get get you added to that so that

you could drop that in there. Thank you, thank you money Okay, okay, all right, I'm sorry. So yeah, next person who's out there, you go. Yeah, I'm actually going on a on a podcast here in Denmark and was trying to educate people about the phenomena because I see it more when when the tsunami in Thailand hit people they didn't know about a tsunami. They went the sea, went out to the sea, you know, the shore went out to the sea and everybody picked up the fish and

then the wave comes booh. And I don't want that to happen to this topic. So I want people to be informed but have their own mind about what's going on, but be more informed about the tsunami. And we we talk about disclosed disclosure, and we talk about mm hmm, control disclosure and catastrophic disclosure, and I don't want the catastrophic disclosure. So I want people to know what's going on, make up their own mind and take action.

So it sounds like my my reading of that is that both Bargas and Christian are going outside with it as opposed to looking inside, because they're they're looking to project this out. But in the case of Christian it's in a response a very responsible and careful way, and with the case of Burgess, it's the beginning of her journey. So it's really exciting stuff. Uh let's see, I think and had you already gone, you hadn't responded to this one,

so go ahead please andress. Yeah, good question. I would say that the personal growth and spreading the world word is probably not kind of mutually

exclusive. I would I would say that once you get in to that you know mode or knowledge that you have kind of this epiphany that something going, something is going on, then I guess you you you kind of you need to strip something off, some of your beliefs something and at that point you probably need to build something up again, and you might and so I would say it kind of comes with the package. So when you get in there and you kind of you really start believing this thing and you know, and

it will change something. And I think that will also inherently kind of make you grow personally, hopefully, I think so, I think it happens, and but I'm I feel that I've like have a lot of growing to do, and I always tried to find my place and I've experienced some kind of a who who things with when I was a child, and and for me like personally, I'm just kind of how to get those I want to know

what it was. So so both it's good, right, it can't We like to say it's not necessarily this, or that it can be this. End that right. I also want to say, if any of you as your starting podcasts and if you need people to come on and chat with some of your friends and colleagues, I am sure that Nathan Debs and myself would would make ourselves available to engage. And I also want to say we have a Cabby Prospect that is part of our show and is sort of going through

the prospect phase. That's Courtney and Marcasani and she is in at Inspired Create TV. I think is how it is if it helped me out, Nathan, is that right? Yeah? So Courtney has something really big going on today, so hopefully we're gonna hear about that later, but yeah, she also would would love to engage with people and has tons of information like Debs does. So next is yeah, oh yeah, we So we're not hitting good answers. Thank you money, So for me that will be a negative.

I have not had any personal growth and I'm not in regards to this topic. It's not doing any anything for me like in in that way, So that's a no. My My focus is on the future. What's gonna happen in the future. How are we gonna get the answers that we need, what is it, who's operating this, How can we use this technology

to to help make a better world. That's my that's my focus, and that's where I am very courageous with your sacrifice I'm sorry, I mean interrupt very courageous doing this and still being in government and in fact was in the room when this EU briefing was happening. So that that's wonderful. Who's next. Let's see after Christian with the sea, we have Burgess's topic, right,

is that right? Do I have that right? Yeah? Money, that's right, and I do have the video, so if we want to show that we can do that, Yeah, this is a video I recorded on March nineteenth, last year, twenty twenty three, and my question is what is this? All right? Give me one second to put it up here. It's taken from my balcony at night and I just spotted something anomalous and took up my phone. It's almost out of battery at that point,

so that's why it's a little shaky. But luckily Julie's got the chat. I've gone full screen, which is such a better experience for me. Yeah, this one second. Yeah, sorry, technical issue here real quick. Yeah, I'm glad that Nathan deals with this and not I. But in the meantime, look at his logo going around the screen. All right, so here we go. Sure we get the sound. Here we go. I don't know. You have to put the lighting all the way up.

There's actually two black dots, you see, the one falling down before it falls down, another one runs into it. There's one is there one heighten mal Okay? That's on camera? Yeah, ok, yeah, it's probably I don't know if you can see what's going on. Maybe the quality is not the best through here. We're time, okay, And if you watch from the left, you're gonna see a black something going into the one. I don't do you guys see anything I see now? Yeah, this is

after the collision. Wow, I saw that. See it? If you go fast in the beginning, like backwards and forwards, maybe you can see the when it hits the one and then it keeps going. That is pretty well. I see it now quite clearly. Yeah. This is one of the challenges is to be able to capture these things. It's almost like they weren't meant to be captured with the medium that we're using, the digital cameras.

It's much like the best Bigfoot film ever was shot on like a sixteen millimeter camera before there were digital cameras, and nobody has replicated that yet. But I'm glad you got it, and it probably was pretty spectacular in person, right, Yeah, for sure. I mean, and this was just a coincidence because like two years before this, I started getting into this and

then I was like, no way. But the thing is, I need to upload it in good quality because I've already posted it to Instagram, but the quality just isn't good enough, so then you can see better what's going on there. But to me, this is anomalous. Yeah, I don't know, so when you see two things crash in the air and they don't call on fire, that's a pretty good that they're not two aircraft. Right,

No, I don't know. Yeah, you've done good. You've done good as you can do for having been surprised and not having a camera set up right. Yeah, because old Linda Thompson one shared with me voted a video taken on a balcony. But the camera was that's the word I'm looking for. It was. It was a pretty good powered camp high powered camera that was meant for taking shots like this, and it was on a tripod. So but anyway, what was your question, ma'am? For the group?

My question was what is this ah okay going on? All right? And who goes after? Who goes after? It's Christian? Oh that's right, yea Christian? Okay, yep? Oh should I answer? Yeah? Which was I? I see the videos many times people sending two minutes to me and uh, like like you said, d day, it's like everything it's out of focus or in the distance or you you haven't got any big shot you you of a UFO. It's it's like when you see it with

the naked eye, it's it's it's pretty wild and crazy. But but if you take your phone, it's really crabby and and and then we can take a talk about technologies in a phone, you know, But but the phone is it's not a good tool to two record anything, I think, and especially not at night. Yeah, it was a real shame because I'm a photographer and I have good cameras, so it was really unfortunate that I just

had a an iPhone almost dying. So yeah, so sometimes I really wanted the people that go out and look at the stars they had a really wild camera or recording system. But again we saw that that the phenomena it can can also be tricky to record. Yeah, UFO thinker Frank just had somebody on he was a cab driver that had some huge black triangle but wasn't able

to capture it on phone. It's just it's uncanny. It's just Nathan will probably talk about ontological shock that someone's going through if they see something like that before, you know, something like a black triangle, before you can even think about getting your camera out. And I can tell you, guys, I've heard hundreds of bigfoot experiencers that said the last thought I had was to grab my camera when they were in a class A in front of bigfoot sighting.

But Andreas, what did you think that was? What's your take, sir h I wouldn't probably be the best to analyze that, but but I would really like to see or love to see the kind of a row footage to kind of understand it better. But I couldn't really comment on on on what it was. Yeah, just may be able to to maybe able to improve that. Yes, sure, Just I can tell I can send you a Wheat transfer link so you can just have a video because it's really spectacular.

And I'm sorry it's uh come that way on your screen this time, no worries. I want to see it too. Yeah. Next is let's see Christian with the sea. No, I have no comment. Really, I couldn't really see it, and I I don't know. Sorry, are you on the podium at the White House? John? No, I'm skiddy. I'm sorry. I have not like John Kirby. I work in government, so I know I'm just kidding with you. I'm just we're gonna have We're gonna have some fun today. It's required on cab. Having fun is

part of it. It can't be all serious. All right, Uh, let's see next up is Christian with the Sea. Yes, I would. I would like to link being sent so I could watch the road footage would be interesting I come from to tell from what I saw on my screen now. But also on this note, I think it's interesting what you hear is often that with all the people running around with mobile cameras nowadays, there should be so much great footage. But in reality this technology is made for taking

close portraits and on. So I find that it's funny as well. I could just I just want to add that as well, but no further comments, Your honor. Andy mcgrillan talks about this all the time. He talks about how that people will aren't even able to capture great photos of blimps or aircraft. So you could imagine when you have something that maybe is popping in and out of our reality and is partially visible, but shape shifts. I

mean, there's an enormous amount of challenges. And by the way, I did a height well she mine was in the eighties, but I did a show last week from my high school where I had on six different people who saw black triangles during the nineteen eighties and nobody has a photo of them, but they're well well documented and it includes a hovering over the Indian Point Nuclear power plant in my town. Uh, let's see. Next up is Christian with his topic Christian with a K, Sir, Yeah, and now I

have spoken about informing people. How can we be better to inform people? And also how can we get the media to focus more on this topic? Yeah? Great question that goes to all roads lead to Andreas. Oh, that's that's cool. I would say I would answer a bit the same way

I answered before. I would say that we would focus on on on getting like talking about the nuts and bolts and that part, and and kind of getting getting these insiders who's who has been being in the maybe in the government in the know and getting like these credible sources and kind of going that way. Yeah, I would say, with the exception of with the exception of Nate, who's in a position where it could uh make problems for her.

Yeah, I think that you know, get in touch with your local official, have a meetup at a pub or restaurant, and when you get enough people coming to those meetups, then invite your member of parliament or your you know, the most local official you can and say hey, this is what we've got, and then you start working from there. They call it grassroots. There's one way to call it. But I think that's the best way because once you get a local official there, or you get a member of

parliament there, well guess what. Now you can invite the local television reporter or even print reporter to come to it, or online journalist to come to it. And that's that's how it happens. I mean, there's no other way to do it. I mean, other than that you could just email somebody, but have meetings. Get you know, five ten, fifteen, twenty, twenty five, thirty thirty five people to show up to a meeting somewhere at a restaurant or a pub or somewhere, and then invite your local

official to come and join you. So that's my take is that everybody, Nathan, let's did you want to have others comment on that question? Oh? Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry, yeah, yeah, please, I'm sorry. Yeah. So the next one is right, not to what do you think? Yeah? I think that the way that we can elevate this topic is by restraining ourselves. Is that the right word? Bye? But by being yeah, by being restrictful and what we say, because one of

the problems here is that I very much agree with Andreas. One of the issues here is that we want to find out what UAPs are. But when I say to people, you know, I want to find out what this is, this is really important. I want to talk about this topic.

Sometimes I get answers like yeah and yeah, and also I also believe in ghosts and hot rocks and crystals, and I go like, well, that's not what I'm talking about, and they're like, there's an automatic link between For many people, there's an automatic link between UFOs, and they automatically start talking about ghosts and crystals and hot rocks and I don't know whatever. But the problem is, I don't have a problem with people, you know,

thinking this and be interested in this. But if you want to elevate the topic, and if we want real people, scientists, politicians, government officials into this topic, we have to be restrained. We have to show restraint, and we have to focus on what we're actually trying to find out. And I'm going to be really unpopular here but here, but I'm gonna say it as it is. I mean, you can't talk to a government official and say I want to find out what about UFOs, but I also want

to find out about bigfoot because you can't. You just can't. I mean, I know that this is something that you know is more popular in the United States. It's not popular norway at all. We don't believe in it, like not. I mean, I'm not talking for everyone, but most people that's a no go. So my point is show restraint and get people interested by talking about the nuts and boats and the politics and so on, and then further on. You know, people can go down rabbit hole if

they want, but that's not how we elevate the topic. And another tip is that if you talk to talk to media, it's best to find someone that you think maybe is interested in the topic. Maybe you can google someone and see what other people have talked about this before in a in a good way, in a what you call it an objective way. So but if you just send it to you like the common mail where everyone gets set it's something about you. You don't have that witness protection or something as well.

So if you find someone, try to find one or two people that you know can be interested in and work with them instead. And have a relationship with them instead of just saying sending to see Ann dot com or or whatever. Find you know, find people who you think can be part of this.

Yeah, I think your advice is invaluable, Renate, And uh, this has been said before that if you were to bring on a whole slew of the experiencers and abductees such that we might interview on this show and bring them before Congress, it would be I don't want to use the term, it would be a blank show. It would it would detract from the topic. So you have to start as much as people, you know, we value experiencers and abductees as much as we value these government folks that come out.

You have to start somewhere to get where you want to go. And I think that's what you're saying. And you have to appear sober and analytical and say, there's clearly something here is being reported by people who have had background checks and have gone through processes to get their jobs, security clearances in the like. And even though Bob, who works at the liquor store had a genuine experience, that's not the person that you're going to bring in front

of Congress. Unfortunately, that they wouldn't be taken as seriously as David Fraver was, which, by the way, I come from a military aviation background. I wouldn't be doing this show if it wasn't for David Fraver because I also would not talk about my own UFO experience when I was a kid. I never talked about it until after I was retired from the Air Force and David Fraver came out. I said, well, I guess if he comes out and talked about it, I could talk about it. So it's a

process. Let's see, we're going to Christian with the Sea. Yes, I agree with what you just said, DJ, and with what Renata said pretty much. I think the ball is rolling, and only like in the last week or so, three different people from around me has contacted me and wanted to talk about the topic out of the blue. And I mean, I mean I have quite a big network as I'm doing some events and DJing and no people from all around here, and I'm noticing huge difference in the

last few months. So I I think this just needs to take its time and run its course. No, I think the trend is very positive. Yeah, I agree. I think we're in a great place, much as it looks kind of dim and dour right now as a result of the stupid report from you know, the group that we don't trust to be transparent about what they know anyway, So I won't name them here. Uh. Next it is Christopher the quay. Oh no, bird was next, But that's okay, you can go. Christ I think she I think she dropped.

Oh did she okay? Should I answer my own question? Oh? That was yours his question? Yeah? No, I mean, if you don't mind, I might please. So, I mean I definitely agree with you know, Ernante, with your perspective on this. I think we have to It's like sort of know your audience, right, we have to kind of meet people where they happen to be, and also acknowledge just what we do

and what we don't know. There's a great deal what we what we do know is about this big what we don't know is you know, huge, And so let's try to decrease the amount of ambiguity uncertainty that exists in this topic by you know, focusing people serious people on the subject. But I think it's it's also a really confounding too, because they're they're sort of what can we know? These epistemological questions, you know, what what can we

know about this? And there's there empirical questions like what can we prove about what this happens to be as many of us are familiar with too. They're these like deep onto logical issues like what what is the basis of reality? That that we may be getting wrong because this is something that is observed but doesn't fit nicely into our current onto logical model. So it's a bit of a conundrum in some ways because we're asking our current model, which seems inadequate,

to explain something that it doesn't understand. So we basically have to try to push the model I think forward through its own, you know, sort of means, but recognizing that its own means are falling short of understanding what it really is. So it requires a great deal of scientific openness, I think, to the mystery and uncertainty that that just happens to be here.

I think that we have to be willing to correct question some of our long held assumptions about what reality is how it behaves, because I think we're going to find that we don't have the whole picture, and we're going to learn more as long as we can focus serious attention on this right and I think, you know, you can't get that serious attention that you need by you know, immediately launching into the weird things that some people hold, you know,

belief in, very very personally strong conviction and belief, you know, because it's you're just going to lose people. You know, you're going to lose people right away and they won't listen. And so but you know the other thing I'll say about that though, I think that and we kind of talked about personal growth earlier. You know, one of the things that this topic has done for me personally is that it has allowed me to, I

think, meet people where they really are. Because you can go through life really kind of guarding who you are and and and protecting the vision or the the way people perceive you. You know, you're really masking like who you really are, and we all have masks that we wear. And so I think this topic has allowed me to to be more open with with with where I'm actually at, but also be more open to where people are and not kind of come at them with a you know, your your experience is so

weird to me that it can't be real. So I'm just going to immediately kind of wall it off from you know, from my ability to connect with you. So it's it's really challenging. It challenges I think those the ways in which we relate to each other, and I think it makes me I'm hoping it makes me more more humble and kind of just you know, acknowledging that I don't have all the answers and you know, I don't have the

monopoly on the truth, and I want to. I want to hear from as many people as possible understand what their experiences are like of of the world, because that I think makes me a better person. You know, I don't have a choice but to personally grow because I talk to Nathan every week,

so I you know, I just have to. But I'm gonna share with you guys in our group chat that we have now that we're all connected on X a masterpiece of a podcast between our friend who's been on the show, Matt Napp of Bigfoot Crossroads, who talks to a guy named Steve, and Steve does not identify himself fully. He is an immunogeneticist. If I understand, he's UH at the University of Florida, but he is from the

foothills of Appalachia, so he's both a scientist. He has also grown up in a place where lore is prevalent, and he has had a UAP sighting. On this show, on Bigfoot Crossroads, they talk about the phenomenon, they really don't talk about Bigfoot really until the end of it. Really, he's talking about the phenomenon that we would call UAP and he's gonna discuss. So I'm gonna share that with you. What we know and what we think we know, and what we understand and how much we really don't understand.

But he puts it in a way that is brilliant, and I call that episode a masterpiece. And I've basically shared it with everybody I know who studies the phenomenon, because Matt is a brilliant interviewer, much more brilliant than I'll ever be, and Steve is a brilliant thinker about the topic. So I'll share that with you, guys, and I recommend you listen to part one of the Hybrids with Steve and have him listen to his thoughts on the phenomenon.

Debs, ma'am, what are your thoughts on what we're discussing here. All Right, So the media was mentioned, and there are some interesting things that I want to point out about the media. One, obviously, some of those newspapers are owned by people like Amazon or have contracts with people like the CIA, so a lot of people call on to question what they're going to print anyway, right, But frankly, if we don't provide news, like obviously this is a long standing topic, it's been going on a long

time. If we don't have news on it, like an update like a hearing, for instance, they're not going to report it because they're just telling everyone what everyone already knows. UFOs have been seen for a long time, and that's not something that's going to sell their newspaper or whatever. But I also want to point out an issue that I've noticed with journalism. It's copy

and paste journalism happening quite a bit. And when you go to Google now to find something new, it gets buried by those copy and paste articles. So literally you'll go, I want to know something new about the IMADS that was just mentioned. I want to find out and there's fifty of the same articles about the first report on the knimds, and it's almost like it's not helpful to have the news cover it sometimes because they're covering up other pieces of

information. It used to take me to like the tenth page on Google to find something because there are so many copy and paste articles of the same thing. And then the final point is that nowadays we're making our own media, and there's nothing wrong with that. Social media is very, very powerful. We cannot understate that a lot of the news that I get is from going on social media. I don't buy newspapers and that you know a lot of

people don't nowadays. So if you're making content that people are accessing, you are a part of media now soh yeah, Debs, And you know, everybody that knows me knows that I am not a conspiracy theorist. And I also agree with David Grush that there has been a seventy eighty year campaign to just enfranchise the American people of the knowledge of what we had and what we knew a know about the phenomenon. So but I am not a conspiracy theorist

by nature. I don't think that everything is a conspiracy. This clearly kind of is. And you know, when Richard Dolan says that the mainstream media is not taking this seriously and they're not there and maybe what's the word I want to say, they are being told by certain elements within the government. Hey, you know, maybe if you don't talk about this, you'll be getting the next story that comes out. I'm going to contact you first with

this information. I'm starting to believe that there's something in that. Nathan, would you concur with that? Yeah, I think that's right. I mean, I think that the large media outlets, the New York Times, et cetera. I mean, they absolutely have internal contacts within the agencies and they

want to protect those sources. And if those sources are not being very forthcoming on this topic and or may withhold their further input on other topics of interest for that newspaper, then yeah, it's a way to control the narrative. I mean, it's I think it's pretty well accepted right now that the mainstream media is, at least the United States. I can't speak to the media

that exists in the Scandinavian countries. It may be much better at this, but the mainstream US media is very much kind of a estatize and that's not the word I'm looking for. It's whitewashed in a way. It's very clean in terms of what it presents, and it has an agenda and how it presents certain things, and sometimes that agenda is patently wrong. I mean,

it parents the state in many instances. And you know, you can just look at history and find that years later on looking back, whatever that fact that was being you know, spread by that paper or whatever happened to be wrong and it was just there were a mouthpiece for the government at that point. Again, this speaks of the tricky nature of just understanding what's really happening in our world because we we we have examples where this has taken place,

so that then immediately seeds further distrust. And in these institutions, are they telling the truth? Sometimes absolutely, Maybe they're telling the truth most of the time. Our ability to parse that truth from fiction, you know, from propaganda is really really challenging. It's even more challenging today than it probably has ever been because it's just so easy to spread information in the world now and you know that that whole saying a lie can get around the world, you

know, ten times before the truth can. And I'm going to buych that saying, but you know, lies spread very quickly. Did I add something to that real quick? Like, I just want to point out that a lot of people are taking opeds as news and if you notice a lot of what's actually circulating in terms of articles are opinion pieces. They're not news, like and that's happening on shows too, news that's right. What do they call those those people? Not reporters? The pundits? You know, they're

they're just giving their opinions. They're not giving news anymore. So that's a great point. I mean a lot of these sort of newsrooms have had their you know, staff dramatically reduced, Like our ability to go and do classic boots on the ground, hard nosed reporting getting information is like greatly diminished now, so we were left with people just who don't want to share their opinions,

and then they regurgitate those opinions across other outlets. And you see that in this topic quite a lot, you know whatever, Like the big headline happens to be a lot of like you said, copy paste that gets put in put into other public hate and then that's the story. There's not like independent people who are pursuing that topic separately. They're just kind of borrowing from each other's homework. And before we go with we're going to give everyone a

chance to promote their channel. I just want to say I heard this, and again I'm not given to conspiracy theories, but when I heard this, it caught me off guard. Don't quote me on the statistic, but I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that drug companies are not allowed to advertise on anyone's television on this panel except for Deb's, Nathan and myself, And if I'm right about that, I heard a statistic on it, actually from a guy on the network that we're going to on Untold Radio network that

said that seventy percent of cable news ad revenue comes from drug companies. So I don't know what that means, but it does mean that they certainly could have potential influence on what they want to come out and what they don't want to come out. Know how that manifests itself, But just just ruminate on that a little bit. I'll let us begin with Andreas. Please tell the audience where they can find you and how people can connect with you. Anything

you want to promote. Well, I don't really have anything much more than my account on on X and can I think my handle there is and that's son. Yes, it should be on the screen right now. Andreas come on, yeah, well that's that's me all right. You can see if you want to find Andreas, you can find him. We have tagged him in all of the cab promos for this episode. That's how you can find and ats and yeah, it's very cool. It sounds very sort of, you know, very finish anyway, Renate, h yeah, so I have

nothing really, Yeah, yeah, of course I can. I can promote my my ex account which you can see here. Yes, And of course, if there are any Norwegians listening to this, of course you have to become a member of UFL Norway. It's really important. We need those memberships so that we can do projects. You know, some projects are not for

free, so we really we really need more members. And I guess the last thing I would want to say is just I want to promote people just being nice to one another one X. Just honestly, just keep your eyes on the target, really eyes on the target. You know, when you get Sean Kirkpatrick, you know, whatever people are arguing just let it go. Just let it go. It's it's not important. Eyes on the target. Thank you ignore him? Yeah, and also shout out to my homies

at garden Mown Air Base. Uh uh. And also a War two tour hired doll my man. All right, Next is yeah Christian. Yes, so you can find our network UAP Sweden on all social media and if anyone for some reason is interested in me and what I'm doing. Besides that, you can also find me anywhere under my name Christian Seance, simple as that. What a cool name. Man awesome. Next I Beard just laughs, So Christian was okay, yeah, you can find me an x on updb

official. But yeah, I run the UAP database as you can see and my title here and I put up everything from news books into use, everything new on the topic, and if anybody is interestry in the topic, then they can go there. If anybody is in demmate listening to this that I have this private Facebook group called the Danish UFO group. Yeah, just a question. How many of you on the panels speak another person on the panel's language? Oh, beg, this is back, So how many people speak

another person's language on the panels? All of us ven Scott norn Scott. Yeah, I can understand. I can understand Swedish and Danish and we can yeah, I can, I can understand them. The funny thing is, though that the Danish, if you speak Norwegian to Danish, they will go can you speak English please? You always do that, but we understand them, like almost perfectly. So if someone's tough Danish to me, I'm like, yeah, I understand you, and I speak to them and they're like,

can you please speak English? Rivalries die hard. All right, let's go and beg this. Welcome back, my friend. Uh, do you have anything that you'd like to promote or anywhere that people can and should find you? Okay, So I do have a Twitter account uap Iceland, but I'm not very active on there. I'm mostly on Instagram and it's uap iceland and that's where I you know, post when I've you know, released new

episodes, only three out but more to come. I have one with Christian van Heist coming out in the next two weeks that I recorded with him in Amsterdam. So that was a good conversation and yeah, just thank you so much for having me. You are welcome. Is it in English? Will I be able to listen or what language is it in? Yes, the first two episodes are in Icelandic, but then I have an episode with Vinnie

Adams which is episode number three. I went to Sheffield and sat down with him, and then Christine van Heist will be in English also coming out very soon. Awesome. I'm going to go watch those. That is awesome. Let's go with Kabby goodbyes beginning with Debs. Thank you so much for coming and sharing about your countries. I think it's incredible when we can do this.

I hope that we do more in the future and learn to start sharing everything that we have, because if you show the full force of all of the information at once, it becomes very difficult for someone to pretend nothing's going on. So thank you. Yeah, I just want to say huge thank you as well. Just so inspired by all of you and the work that

you're doing and how well spoken you are for this subject. I mean, you're just the perfect champions for this, and I really want to encourage you for what you to continue doing what you're doing in your areas, and it's just I mean, it's amazing to me we can even have this conversation that this is happening and we can be connected in this way. It's really exciting. So I do hope we get to do more of this and I look forward to hearing updates on what all of you're working on the next time we

get together. Yeah, I echo the sentiments of my brilliant co hosts who just knocked it out of the park again today along with all of you. It was fascinating to hear your perspectives. If you need any of us to come on and have a conversation with you and your friends or colleagues, let us know we'd be happy to contribute. And yeah, it was just an honor for you guys to come and bring these perspectives that we haven't heard a

whole group of folks that represent Scandinavia come on and represent so well. I know that everyone in Norway, Sweden, Denmark, and Iceland and Finland are just going to be you know, they're just gonna be so proud of how you've represented the your respective countries today. So thank you again for honoring us with your presence. Julie, thank you so much in the chat, for doing what you do every time, and for all of you that came and

hung out with us. You can find us on We do have a Facebook Calling All Beings Facebook page now and of course we are at calling beings on Twitter, and you know we have our respective Twitter handles here on screen for you. So yeah, give us a like, give us a subscribe, That's all we ask. And on behalf of Andreas, renatee Bergdas Christian and Christian Debs and Nathan. This is DJ saying peace out, one love well, thank you on the road. We always wonder what's up around the bend

because we don't know. Thank you, Bye bye, old old day. Be your