CAB #112 Terry Windell & Arla Williams

Yeah, were about to get into it tonight. Welcome back to Calling all beings. I'm your host DJ. Not only do we have a big announcement, but we're not gonna tell you all about that tonight. But we are here to hang out with a couple of legends. We got the senior legend who done be, got the junior legend, and we got them both here.

And thank goodness that our friend Terry made this happen. So before we get into all that, my brother from another who has done all this hard work and put up with my last minute shenanigans money, Nathan, what's everybody? Hey? For a second there, I thought you were calling me a senior legend, and I wasn't sure what it meant. So at your age, Nathan, No, I'm sorry. I'm getting there. I'm getting there. I got she's getting there too much hair and too much good looks.

So I'm about to be fifty seven on Monday. So and I think there was a Chevy people liked by that year. So that's right, Manye. People don't know this, but DJ and my oldest son have the same birthday, So happy birthday and Andy mcgrillan amazing. It's amazing at any rate. It's great to be with you on Wednesday night. Great to be with all of you in the audience. Looking forward tonight's show. We really do have two amazing guests to talk about bigfoot sasquatch, so I'm very excited to get

into it with them. Got things going down on her property? Amen, All right, before Debs, it's it's it's Debs. You know you're willing to first of all, say hello Daniel. First of all, Julie, thank you for making it in. I don't know how the hell you did it because you were down. She went and drove a friend to the doctor down in another city in Alabama. And Daniel Lee Barnett, the British bigfoot legend. Terry hasn't heard about Daniel Barnette. Arla hasn't heard about Daniel Barnette.

He is a fourteen year old that has written a book on bigfoot and is getting ready to hold his second conference in the UK. I want an amen for that, but we have to aim in our guest first, So Daniel you're gonna have to wait. You're gonna be a guest here in a couple months. So Deb, thank you for making it in here Julie as well. And now this gentleman here has joined us. So this is the second time that he's been on cab. He was solo guest the first time.

And I was really struck by listening to the what happened to him as a result of our second guest, who Mutt I didn't know he was speaking of when he first told the story. Uh. And this gentleman is the chief of Rock. He'l Bigfoot in South Carolina and it says respect between us and I kind of thought about how I would want to interact or view Bigfoot softsquatch in their house when I'm out in the woods and I'm and I'm in search of them, and so I was inspired to have this gentleman on and

boy did he not disappoint. He's just really a bright light. So part of people put those hands together from my man coming back carry window. What's up, guys, what's up? Man? That's that's that's a tall order. You You built me up pretty big there. I'm a little worried. I got big shoes. Phil. Well, you know I said to you the other night, You're awesome, Terry, and You're like, what me? Why am like what do you mean because you're you come on, I

appreciate that. It's still to this day amazes me that people actually want to hear me talk about this stuff. I'm just a guy out in the woods trying to figure out what's going on, you know what. But you do it in such a way, right right, Nathan, Like he he really has that. He kind of reminds me of Sybylla a lot. He just has that presence about him, you know. Thank you so yeah, So

his mentor is this next young lady right here who has a foot. Actually, like the photo of her doing the sort of bigfoot cross country skier walk must have been. She must have been a very young girl when she took that photo. You guys have seen her, as she mentioned in Flash of Beauty, and I've seen one in two. I think she was in one, but she may have been in both for all I know. And Rick was definitely in two because we had Rick Rick Taylor on as well. He

was one of our very early, very first bigfoot guests. He might have been our second bigfoot guest. Uh. And so this woman is famous for having this property in Oklahoma that is prolific in terms of as a habituation site and people have had their first really really big encounter or at least encounter that didn't terrify them on her property. So part of people put them hands together for Oklahoma's oh miss Arler, William oh good grave Man for l a legend

now senior, Yes, I trumple all of you guys in age. I'll be seventy five my birthday, so you're older than me at fifty. Yes, I'm older than a lot of people and maybe in some ways younger than a lot of people. Right, Oh, definitely, definitely. Terry will probably test to that. Thank you guys for having me on. And Terry he's kind of special to me. He is to He's a good guy,

you know, and I've met through the years. Of course, I've been in this a long time in my life, almost seventy years of knowing. But in the in the life of the big Foot community, you know, I've been around for quite a while and hadn't changed my story yet. So yeah, now, no, not at this late date, I don't. I don't think so so. But one thing, I am not an habituator. This is I'm believe me. I don't want to change anything about them I mean, this is a lifelong thing with them. I'm not a researcher.

I don't research to try to prove things. I'm just somebody who, you know, had a very early encounter with them and had a grandmother that knew all about them. And that's her photo and where she's doing the Bigfoot walk and that's early few that's that's my grandmother, that early fifties. Wo and I hadn't seen that photo before until just a few years before she died. She wanted to give me some photos and stuff and we were looking at that and I said, Gran, what are you doing? And she said,

I'm doing the walk. So that was pretty much. So she was prior to Patterson, Gimblin and you know Cruz and all of them. She knew and Jess decided she was going to get her picture my doing it. So yeah. So so Jerry Crew is the guy who cast that first print. Yeah, and I think named it named Bigfoot, yes along or in the news story that they covered that. And this, the fact that this predates it means that it wasn't an impression of Patty. It was before we

knew that Patty existed. Obviously, your grandma knew that Bigfoot existed. Oh yeah, yeah, she knew her whole life, you know. So at age six is when my actual knowing and interactions started with them. So man, I'm almost seventy five, so that's a long time ago. You look phenomenal, darling. There's two things. First, one to say hi to Vinnie in the chat, Hai, Vinnie, disclose your team. In second, Arloe, if you can just keep an eye, you can see the

water behind me. If you see a shark coming up behind me, please let me know. Okay, what do you want me to let you know about? You can't see the see the ocean, you can see the I'm supposed to be in the water. Sorry, Coe, you guys are white. I can't see. All I got is my tie die behind me. I'll pick. I'll pick a tie die any day. I would have see if I knew you were in a tie die. These guys know that I have a tied eye dress shirt, so I would have worn that tonight,

at least one. I think he's got more than one, probably, So yeah, you should have left that out of the bio. I like tye die. I would I would have done that, Hi, Carolina, So anyway, let me get to Money Nathan with his first question, Jo, and we're gonna just keep going, you know, we'll keep going. We'll vacinate between you and Terry and the way we like. I'll ask some Nathan and dabs and we'll kind of and also we're going to have a special guest

host from another show will also be joining us. But go ahead, Money Nathan, sir. Yeah, thanks, dj Arla. It's great to have you with us on the show tonight. We've had Terry on the show, so Terry also great to have you back with us. Arli, your names come up a lot in the community of folks that we've talked to, and

we hear your name reference quite a bit. And before I would like you to talk about your background with Sasquatch and Bigfoot kind of your story, I'd like to little get into a little bit about the community aspect, because it does seem to me that one sense I get from those we speak with is that you represent this community kind of family vibe, and I'm curious where where does that come from. Is that you know the family that you grew up

with. Is it something that you've you've kind of tried to nurture in your adult life. What does family mean to you? Yet? I was taught that they were our neighbors, and you know, growing up they are there. And my grandmother, you know, always said there are neighbors, and as our neighbors, sometimes you see your neighbors and sometimes you don't, but you always have respect between each other. And so my whole life has been based on that respect. And you know, I all I can do is

share my experiences. I've said time and time again, I'm not here to prove anything. I'm I'm going to share what I've experienced. The only thing I ask is don't throw it out. File it away somewhere, and maybe at some point you will have something happen, or somebody you trust, you know, have something happen, and then you can say, wait a minute, I heard something about that, and so you already have a reference of

that possibility. Now, you know, when I came into this, it was like, oh boy, you know I was named the Immaculate Mother of Who. So all I knew to Dot's chair, and so I shared it all. If you don't, if you're studying something, you don't tear a page out and go I don't want to study that. You study all of it, and you can't throw anything out until you've looked at it. And I ruffled a lot of feathers, you know when I started talking, because at that time, you know, it was it was really really bad.

It's not near as bad now either. They've all accepted, you know what I say. But the fact is there's a whole lot more now like me, uh than you know before. Plus people are open in their hearts, and they're shifting their paradigm. If you want to know something while you're out there, shift your paradigm. And that's Terry. I'll tell you I hadn't said that to him, you know, open up and shift that paradigm and

just see what you can experience. You know. Wes Germer of a Sasquatch Chronicles, which is, you know, quite obviously the biggest bigfoot show there that there is out there. He always says that doctor John Bendernagel told him, you know, Wes, you need to open your aperture, you need to look at it all. Exactly what Arla just said is what uh, doctor bender Nagel said to uh to Wes, and he is a lot more open. Hey, Mick, and he is a lot more open than he

was, So yeah, I really value that. Debs jump in there for either Terry Arlow or both. Actually, if you like well, Arle, you mentioned that your first encounter happened when you were six, and for those who are not as familiar with your background, I was wondering if you could talk about what that might have been. Like I mentioned that was at the age of six, a little bit scary. I would love to hear about that. Well. From the time I could walk, I was running off

to the woods. I was a problem child, I have to say for my mom. But I was at my grandmother's and I was outside, sitting on the ground, playing in the dirt, and I was forever playing with sticks and flowers and leaves and all kinds of things, making stuff. And I'm sitting there doing that and I hear somebody walk up and I think it's my grandmother. But when I look up, there's this really really Harry boy looking at me. And we just looked at each other for a while.

You know, I'm gosh, that's awful Harry kid, you know, And then in my mind, you know, you go, what the what the heck? Look at all that hair, but he looks like a boy. But you know, so at a little while later, he turned around walked off. I went in told my grand what I had seen and asked her. I said, what was that, Granny? And she said, what do you think it was? And at that point she let me think about what I had seen. She didn't try to tell me anything. She just

let me sit with it. And then a little later she began to teach me about them. Now, interesting thing about that. At six, my mom uh and I were talking. She had a hard time with the bigfoot. She she was afraid of everything, so you know, she didn't want anything to do with it. You don't talk about it, of course,

we were taught not to talk about it. But we were talking just a few years before she died, and she said, Arla, do you remember that time when you were three and you were sitting on the bed and I was in the closet getting clothes, you know, And I said, yeah,

Mom, I remember that. You know, I'm three years old, but I still remember this incident because I was sitting on the bed talking to somebody who was standing at the window with the window open, and Mom heard me talking and coming out of the closet and she screamed for my dad, who was taking a bath, and she said, there's a dirty, hairy man at the window, and Arla's talking to him. And Dad comes through, picked up a butcher knife and took out the back door, and he

didn't see anything. And I said, tell mom, I remember all of that. And she looked at me and she said, do you think that was a bigfoot? And I said, well, Mom, what do you think? She said, I think it was And then she said, oh, I saw a bigfoot. I said, yes, you did, Bob. So at three years old, I was sitting on the bed talking to one through the window, but I didn't recognize it as a bigfoot, or

I don't remember, you know if I did. But at six, you know, I knew for certain that uh, when my grandmother told me what it was, that, you know, what I was seeing was starting at that at that point. It's so interesting because some we've heard kids that the way that their parents find out is they scream when that happens, when the when when a bigfoot comes to the window, which they do. It doesn't matter if it's a house or trailer, you know, they do. They're

curious. They'll come and slap the side of the house or the trailer and put their face up and the child will scream. But obviously Arla, we've heard two cases now at three and at five where she didn't scream. Terry, what's going on here? I mean, why is Arla not scared? Brother? I don't have all the answers. I don't even have all the questions. Truly. When I first got into this, I had no clue what to expect. I spent a lot of summers on a farm. We

had stuff going on, I had weird speriences. This was way back in the late sixties, before we had the internet. I had no clue what was going on. And then I saw the legend of Boggy Creek and I knew exactly what was going on. So I have spent the good part of my adult life and some of my younger life trying to figure out what is this Ano. There's something there. I have no doubt there's something there. I don't think these are just animals. This is this is something more than

just an undiscovered eight. These are people. They're not like us, but they're people, and if you treat them like you would want to be treated when you when a guest comes into your house, because when we go in the woods, we're in their house. So if you are respectful, if you don't go in and trash the place up, if you go in, go into the woods, just sit and read a book. Look, you don't have to go walk around stomping around at night and fall off a cliff

or stick your foot in a got for hole and break your knee. If they're there and they want to interact with you, they will. If they don't. Okay, it wasn't that kind of day, But you know, there's there's more going on. Arla talked about the woo stuff. Yeah, when when she first started, she she was the self proclaimed queen of Wu. But now we've gotten long, it's really interesting to see what kind of things that used to be. Oh, that's just completely wo and no,

no, that can't happen to mm hmm. Something going on here. We don't know what it is, but there's something going on. More and more people that are that are out doing this now, even if they don't admit it publicly, they're starting to realize that this is this is more than meets the eye. This is more than just an animal in the woods. That that's why I'm out there now trying to figure out what is this, what are they? Where did they come from? Who came first? I don't

know where did they come from? I don't know. I haven't had the opportunity to ask one yet. Hopefully one day I'll get a chance. But you know, they're I don't think. I think if we go into the to a situation without anger, without fear, just just leave all of your human you know, prejudgments behind. I think they know that. I think they can tell our intentions. Again, I don't know how you call it.

What you want to Lefty whoever, I don't know. But just like you know your dog knows when you've had a bad day, sure these guys are smarter than your dog. So I think a lot of that stuff we have to leave. We have to leave it behind when we go out into the woods. And it's scary, I will tell you right now. I still say times get creeped out in the woods. I'm still working with it. Arla walks in the woods and thinks nothing of it, and you know, it's no big deal. The woods are scared of Arla. The woods

respect Arla and all respects the wood kidding. So you know this is like Carla said, don't discount things without first at least taking a look. You know, I don't have to agree with you. You don't have to agree with me. We still go eat pizza and be friends. But if you just throw something out just because that doesn't fit or I don't like it, You're apt to miss something that was a piece of the puzzle that you need. I've had several instances happen like that where I just had to sit back

and go m isn't that interesting? Learned something today, didn't you? You just mentioned my favorite food that that could be a signed Nathan. I feel like this is a good time. Let's play Steve one and then I'd like to get Arla and Terry's take, and then as well you and Deb's as well. Could you play Steve one? Please? This is from by the way, I just sm just set this up. This stuff. I'll tell the go ahead, DJ, I'll pause. I'm sorry, I'm Nathan.

I should have So this is Matt Napp from Bigfoot Crossroads, our former Cabby and our still friend and someone who I hope will come back and co host with Us. We love Matt and his show. Interviewing Steve from Appalachia who's a scientist from University of Florida. Please go ahead, sir, mystical stuff do you attribute to just things that we just don't really understand yet scientifically? One hundred I was gonna say, do you think there's anything out there?

I mean, it's such a hard concept to even grasp, but the idea that there are things that defy all explanations, even beyond our own comprehensions or whatever. There's actually something truly mystical out there? Or is it just stuff that we don't have the right sensory organs or we don't have the right tools of measurement to understand it at this point? Both one hundred percent both, and you're going to get that answer to a lot of questions tonight. One

percent. Both. We don't understand anything. See that's this is the thing at the core of it. We don't understand anything. Now. We know how some things work, but do we understand it understanding and being able to I don't know how combuinction engine works, but I can drive a car, yeah, you know, I don't. I could not build a computer I don't really know how computer works, but I use them all the time. So it's kind of like that. Our very physical sciences, our Newtonian physics,

clearly is just missing a piece of the equation. There's something that it just has not factored in yet, which I suspect is consciousness that's underpinning the whole thing. So is there something out there? Clearly there is. Do we have any inkling what it is? Or have we ever? Probably not? Can we even know? I don't know. I mean, we're limited

by primate brains. And even though we have a very advanced and highly evolved primate brain, that is a physical construct within a physical seeming setting, and so there are going to be things that we may never be able to grasp as long as we are in that physical construct. That's it, Arla, your thoughts the phenomenon writ large, Well, I've seen too much. I have seen Native elders do things that people say, oh, that can't be done. I've literally watched it. And you know, I am in the

woods every day. We are not the only ones in this universe, and we are not the only sentient being on this earth as well. So we are just scratching the surface scientifically. You know. Ron Moorehead and I talked years ago when he first started doing the quantum physics, and he had asked me, he said, I want you to read this paper that I'm working on, and I want your opinion of if you think it's in the ballpark

of what you know. And so I didn't understand most of what I read, but he explained it to me, and I said, sure, you know, I can't explain it scientifically, but I have seen them do these things. I've seen other humans do things that most people say can't be done. And so if we keep ourselves in this little box of this is what we know at this moment, then no, you won't ever know unless you open that box and put yourself in a place not jumping in and saying,

oh my god, that's it. But don't negate it. Either set with it and think about it and talk to other people. That's the main reason that I do what I do is for other people to help connect with them. I don't tell people what to think, and you know, but I'm here, Oh listen, you can trust me. There was a lot of people in the bigfoot world that wouldn't even mention the word WU when I came into this, But they would privately talk to me and tell me things,

you know, that were going on. A lot of people on BFRO would talk to me, but they knew they were safe. It wasn't my place to tell, you know, what they were telling me. And I didn't tell them what to believe. I just them talk and come, you know, to their conclusions. That's how I was taught, and I believe that that's really how someone learns, is to learn by opening themselves up to the experiences that they're rabbit. So Terry's wanting to highlight the quantum Bigfoot by Ron

Morehead. I guess you meet Ron last year in Okalla. Awesome guy, and Julie wanted to point out that doctor Simeon Hines dark matter monsters also great guy, great book, former guest, and I agree that I don't even personally Arla before I passed to Terry, I don't even use the word WU because I find that labels can can conjure emotions that aren't necessary. You know,

we're analyzing Bigfoot. You know this this this creature that we don't know the exact origin but appears to be part human and part animals, you know, like us, I guess and I just say, maybe it has some abilities that we don't quite know how to how to contextualize. But when I use the word WU, then people can they're happy because they can automatically put me in a box. So I try not to use that. But no box, people don't go in boxes. Good point. But you know you

had talked about doctor Bender Nigel earlier, Doctor Bender Nagel was mentioned. I did a conference with doctor Big Bender Nigel in UH, British Columbia several years ago, and he even went camping UH with us and I got to visit him, and he was so open minded to all of this. But it wasn't something he could just go out and say, you know, this is what I think, because he was about having uh, some kind of line

of proof that these things are happening. But he's all so who oh my gosh, he was he must be based on what I've heard, and like Terry, I want to go out in the woods with Arla. Terry, sir, what did you think of of? What? What did you think of? What Steve had to say? Oh? He was. I think he's just spot on. Let's let's talk about something real quickly. Let's let's talk about the word magic. We throw the word magic around all the time. I got a big lighter in my hand here today, No big deal.

You strike flame up with that thing. The big deal costs a buck. Take that back a couple of hundred years. Just a couple of hundred years. Walk out into public and flick that thing and fire comes out of it. You're probably going to be in jail, and then you're probably going to be burned at the state because back then you were magic and that was of the devil. Magic is a word that we use to describe something right now that we don't currently have tools in our toolbox to understand. So don't

poo poo something just because it gets to label magic. All this quantum stuff, you know again, I love Roy Moorhead's book Quantum Bigfoot. It's absolutely spot on in my opinion, about a lot of things that are going on. There's more going on on this planet than we see. We live in a three dimensional world. There's more around us than we have any idea that's going on. We don't have the tools yet to understand it or to see

it. We can see the periphery. We can see the results of some of the things that happen, but we don't have a clue as to what's really behind it because we can't see through that curtain yet. I think we will at some point if we keep growing and going forward and don't blow ourselves up in the process. I think I think we can learn. There's a lot of things that I have have learned that initially, when I first started this years ago, i'd have looked at people and gone, aren't you sweet?

No, bless your heart? Okay, portals, portals, portals, Oh my gosh. When I first started this, portals, yeah, bless your heart, aren't you sweet? Until I saw one open? Yeah, right, and that, you know, that changes everything. We've actually got a group I was with actually has that on thermal. The Meadow Project. The Meadow Project another another great one I've got. It's a book there and I get no money from this book. It's just a good, good book.

I know those guys in the theory in that book. But we were in the meadow. I was sitting there with a bunch of people. We were in there, fourteens and we A buddy of mine and I had gone down into that meadow as we did all the time in the daylight, walked around, looked at things. Okay, that's a rock that's gonna look like a big foot at night. That's a big bush that's gonna look like a

big foot at night. There's a tree over there that's gonna look like Okay, so we know where everything is. We get down there in the middle of the night, get all settled and kind I'm kind of abridging this, But all of a sudden, I hear my buddy next to me say what is that square thing out there? And it didn't dawn on me what he was saying at first, and I hear him again, he said, what is that square thing I'm looking at? And at that point it hit me

there is no square thing. We were down here this afternoon. What are you talking about? So I just leaned over and said, what you got? He said, here, take a look, sure is the world. There was a square opening up right there on his thermal. You could not see it with your naked eye. I don't know what it was. I don't know where it came from, but it's there. Until you actually see

it, you know, that's it's a different thing. So now I'm thinking, Okay, now I got a number one, apologize to all the people that that I snickered at. And number two what is this? And truly, I think portals right now, this is my opinion. It's kind of like an ant waking up and finding that someone has has built a road next to their ant. He'll and from the ant's perspective, he has no idea what it is. He has no idea who built it, he has no

idea what it's used for. I think that's kind of the way we are about those and a lot of things. So you know, don't don't throw something out just because initially it goes against what you've been taught. Sometimes you have to earn unlearned things a little bit. Yeah, and I agree with everything you said. And by the way, there is a I heard one

of Terry's colleagues interviewed who told the exact same story. He was an EMT and Terry was out there with a group of professional colleagues, a group of professionals that were doing this work, and they were professionally set up to capture Bigfoot and got a lot more than what they bargained for in terms of the portal. First of all, before Nathan, before you go, I'd like

to welcome the stage the host of all things unexplained. My friend. He's Terry's brother to the north because he's in North Carolina, but he's from Mississippi. Put your hands together for doctor Tim Mountce. Hey, thanks so much, thank you. I really apologize for being late, and it's so good to be here. Thanks for having me. Hi Nathan, La Hi Dale, Hi, Terry h DJ. Let me tell you, yeah, I apologize for being late, but I just returned from Rosville, New Mexico.

And the hitchhiker effect is real, y'all because it's it's hitchhike to sway on back to North Carolina. Doctor Tim Mounts, Oh my god, I love this guy, Nathan. I just want to ask you an unfortunate I'm going to have to send Tim that MP three so that he can hear it that clip of, but he may have actually listened to the episode Steve with Matt of Bigfoot Crossroads. Did you have some comments Nathan about what Steve said?

Was that intriguing at all? Oh? Yeah, totally. I Mean this whole conversation has been you know, right right down our Alley here in terms of paradigm changing and opening the aperture. And you hear that a lot. It's great to hear it from other disciplines, right, So we hear that quite a bit in the UFO community, but hearing it in the Bigfoot community

as well. I think it just signals that we're going through a kind of shift in our society, recognizing that the way we were doing things, the way we thought we know, the things we think we know to be true, those things are changing and we're willing to bring more information, more maybe even more uncertainty into our picture of the world. And that is kind of

it's unsettling, right. We don't like to not have all the answers, and our kind of enlightenment science has all been built on let's just study this a little bit more. Let's get a better microscope so we can understand what this is. And once we understand it, then we'll fully have mastery over it and we can do something with it. That's kind of been the aim of our science is to master it and then do something with it and control

it, and that's what we get our technology. But I think we're kind of coming to a place where we're recognizing that that's not all there is to reality. Reality is more complex and strange and weird than just that. And so the more people that think that, the more people that get exposed to that. I think all of your experience speaks to this very well. The more people that come to that place, then things also begin to shift with

them, and it becomes a kind of almost cotageous thing that happens. And this is how paradigms do change, that they change kind of gradually. And so I just believe that we're going through a time right now where it is happening. And you know, if we were to have a historical perspective, we could go into the future one hundred years and look back at this time, we would see that the seeds of the change are evident, but they're

not necessarily evident all of the people who are here right now. I'm not saying that people in this room, but people in society in the world right now. It's funny. And Nathan, the Bigfoot behind you, I don't know if that's the one that came and poked the tent like our law. I'm sure told that Bigfoot go to Terry's tent and mess with him tonight. That was what you didn't hear, Terry when you were picking up trash. That's that's what happened. You're not going to cop to that early. No,

No, they do what they choose to do. So I just had to explore this as a possibility. It's just I'm doing Rick, I'm doing Rick Taylor's investigative techniques here. I have no control. I'm over this. I'm just I'm just here. My heart's open, you know. So I listen and and yes, I was in the paranormal Bigfoot to you with Flash of Beauty. And actually when Rick Wood talk then they had me. And then towards at almost the end of it, they put what I've said from

day one, don't throw it out, file it away. I'm with you, Uh, Debs, can I get your lease on? Steve? I'm so excited to talk about this. So he was talking about our limitations and understanding, and I think the biggest limitation we have is being human, not being part of the planet and an animal, but being human and thinking that

we're separate from the other things on the planet. Because if you break it all down, which I have, there's some really weird things that people would call wu or magical happening naturally, and we are the only ones who are like, oh, that can't happen. But it's happening all around the planet. And an example is the way, like for instance, fun guy and plant life communicate with each other with chemical messaging and electrical signals, and that

happens from the microbiological level all the way up. We're the only animal probably that doesn't realize that we're doing it, you know, so like I actually begin to think that we might that might explain telepathy for instance, that we're probably doing it too, we like it happens with all these other species, right, So I guess my point is the only limitation really is that we're human, not you know, anything else, but the fact that we think

that we're separate. Yep, Can I just ask you one further question, Yes, the point that Steve was making where he asked, he questioned whether or not we have the capacity to understand do we If we get more primal and accept that we're part of this planet and not something other and special and above everything, we could probably connect back to the other species on the planet. And if you look at some of our relatives our cousins. They're probably

doing it. You know, they're probably using infrasound and things like that. And you know, if we could just step out of our egos, you know, we could probably do it all to you and start to understand. Tim. I just want to get some of your thoughts on you. You've heard what everyone had to say. They're commenting on what Steve said to Matt, and I don't know if you heard that pod or not, but just

based on the tenor of what you've heard, that's a good question. I don't know if I'm qualified to jump in on it at this point, but okay, we'll put you back and I'm skiddy, you know, basically I will send you that clip. But basically he's talking about that we don't understand anything about the phenomenon, and he questions if I were to encapsulate Nathan, he said, we don't understand anything, and he's not positive that we actually can understand it all. Is that right? If I were to break it

down into one sentence, yeah, I think that's it right. And we've talked about this many times that are we're limited by our senses, right, We're very limited by what we can actually receive about the world, and all we know about the world is coming to us just through our senses. There's no way we can experience reality outside of our sense perception of it. And

so he's acknowledging that truth and acknowledging that there's a lot happening. You know, Terry's spoken about this too, there's a lot happening outside of that very narrow band of our ability to perceive. And you know, I like Terry talking about the computer because you know, Bernardo Castrop likes to use that analogy too, and he talks about, you know, icons on the screen or sorry, Donald Hoffman, he's at this analogy icons on the screen. You

know, you're not looking at it on your desktop. And it's not an actual trash can, but we you know, we put things in there. It's representative of, you know, taking out the trash and that's really what reality is. You know, the trash can you see in your kitchen or whatever, you know, isn't it's real, not that it's not real, but it's representative of a deeper reality that we can't actually tap into beyond that as we have a limited perception of it. But he did identify consciousness as

maybe the key to it. Well, I actually do have some thoughts on that. DJ. Well, please let me clear the stage, so I'll diverge from Nathan just a little bit, because you know, I'm a big Albert Einstein fan. And Albert Einstein was looking for a theory of everything, but he got thrown off by a little thing called quantum mechanics. And he had been called something called quantum entanglement, you know, spooky spooky action at

a distance. And this kind of really threw Einstein for loop. And here many years later, I had a chance to talk to Eric Bard, you know, chief scientist at Skinwalker Ranch, and I really love something Eric said. And Eric said that he is looking for nothing less than a unifying theory that can explain everything that they're seeing, from the paranormal to the macro, to the micro, to the physics, to the quantum physics, to the mathematics, all of it. And I think that, you know, we

quantum physics, mathematics. It gives us insight into things that we cannot perceive or may not be aware that we're perceiving. They may be perhaps having an effect on us. There could be something on the far side of the of the universe through you know, quantum entanglement that is having some sort of effect on us. And the key to it. I think one of the keys could be, you know, physics and mathematics and science, and so I do think that there is hope out there too unify all these things in a

way that ties them all together. It's sort of like having that right mixture of flowers, salt and everything to make that great apple pie. Anybody here, bake Arlo, Terry? Anybody no? My wife? Does? Arlos? Say yes? And Tim's Tim's raising his hand? All right, me too, because I bag. So what I want to do now, Nathan, Let's play that second clip and then that I want to get to like how Arla and Terry met and if it was during that first camping counter.

But let's play that second clip, if you will, please? Do you want to introduce it at all? Oh? So try to a Matt Napp of Big Pot Crossroads. This is his guest, Steve, who is a scientist from grew up, as he describes it, in the foothills of Appalachia. He wants to maintain his anonymity. He was a scientist at University of Florida, which means he's almost as smart as doctor Mounts as far as we're

concerned. But isn't it interesting that you have all these different communities of people, all these I mean just civilization, just different societies all over the world, different belief systems, everything, religions, all the different things where there's so many things that are talked about and just different names applied to them, but they're all talking about the same thing. Yeah, yeah, exactly. How can you not see that as acknowledgment that these things do exist and are

very real? Absolutely? Well, you know, humans are fear based, and I find the more committed a given person is to their belief system, the more willing they are to shut out parts of observable reality. So on the religious d end, people are going to, you know, immediately go to demon no matter what it is. And then on the science end, they're going to go to, oh, that can't be real because it doesn't

fit our Newtonian physics. Most of those are fear responses in my opinion, you know, because they are desperately clinging to their certainty in a given store and they don't want anything that's going to interfere with that story. You know, they're looking for confirmation biases. They're not looking for mysteries outside of their their badly wick right. But yeah, these things are everywhere. They're constant, they've always been going on, they're always described. You can go to

any culture on Earth and you're going to find these stories. And that's like with with my ancestors. So that that was it right there. I cut it right there, But I thought that was really good. So Arlow, what did you what did you think of that? And then we'll just kind of have some free free talk about that. What what did you think of what he said there? I didn't hear anything he said? I heard nothing? Is it because of the Jack Russell terrier in the background. No,

that is Malibu that docs and Chouala her daddy came home. So did anybody hear that? Nathan or Terry? Yeah? I got it. Tell me Malibu hello for me. I will oh. Yeah. The The part truly I'd like to address is the fear based concept that he said that is absolutely true. Why is it that anytime we start talking about aliens or anything else that we don't understand, Well, they're always here to conquer us, to subjugate us, to carry us off to do whatever. Why is that is

that reality? Or could it be perhaps if that's what we've done to each other throughout our existence here, that's all we know. So yeah, we're we're absolutely fear based. We're reactionary, and you gotta work hard to get past that. I've done my best again. I I'm not nearly as afraid of going out in the woods and running into a big Foot as I used to be, because because I've kind of learned. You know, if you if you talk to them and tell them. It sounds crazy, but I've

seen it work. I've done it. Hey, I'm not here to hurt me by. I'm just here to kind of hang out and learn about you. If you want to be around, that's fine. If not, that's okay. I just call it talking to the woods now And I used to laugh at that. It works. If nothing else, it makes you feel more comfortable in your own skin. But there is you're projecting your intentions and you're getting past your fear. So you know that's I don't think bigfoot are

there to kill us. I don't think they're blood thirsty. I don't you know, like you hear people talk about that. Oh I got running out of the woods by Bigfoot. He just was screaming and throwing rocks and logs, and I happened to you, not happened to me. Interesting. The reason my always my question to those people is with respect, what were you doing? What were you doing that might have caused him to do that? Because remember, you're in his house. Did you get to get too close

to their kids? Which I think the encounter I told you guys about last time I was on when I was on the trail and got the tingleys, what is that? It was kind of just electricity. We got too close and I just sat out loud. Okay, guys, I think we're too close. We're going back up five steps back gone. So you know what were we doing? Were we between them and a food source? Did missus Bigfoot say, uh buy Bigfoot, go out and go down to the to

the creek and grab us some steelhead trout? Kids are hungry, bring it home for supper tonight. So he's out, you know, the son's going down, he's wandering out towards this creek. Well, in the meantime, you've gone in and set up on his on his bank there on his sandbar, and you're pulling in trout left and right, and then you get in your tent. Well, he comes along. He can't get to the refrigerator or the grocery store. So he's upset because you know, you guys are

married out there. You know, if the wife sends you out for groceries and you come back empty handed, you're in trouble. So or is he trying to just get to his food source. There's a lot of things that you have to stop and think about. It's not all about us, you know, it's truly it's it's not they're out to get us, right, What were we doing that might have caused this? And when you start looking at things that way, you start to change. Your fear level goes down.

At least mine has a good bit because you realize, oh, well, this is just their way is saying hey, we're busy right now, we don't want you around or whatever. Fine, that's fine. You know, I don't want people in my house every every hour and every minute. I want some time to hang out with my wife. You know, maybe

that's just that goes for them. You know, there's a lot of stuff that that we truly don't understand but if you if you again open your eyes, stop thinking with your brain, and I guess, for lack of a better term, as all that says, think with your heart. You get you get more places, and you get more, you get closer to the answers. Yep, now the answers are there. There, the answers are there. All you have to do is be open. I will address fear.

Fear is a learned thing. We're not born with fear. We are taught fear. I was never taught to fear anything. As a little girl, I interacted with many beings, from star people to little people, anything that was in the forest or anywhere, you know. I was taught to be respectful and and talk to them, and I wanted to know who they were and what they were doing. I was that kid that when you heard

something under your bed, I didn't cover my head up. I leaned over my bed and looked under to see, you know, what's making that noise down there. So I've never had a fear. I have a respect and I have no problem talking to anything. You know. Star people, like I said, have been a part of my life since I was young,

and so many other things. And we are all related. Everything on this earth and beyond is related in some fashion or another, and for sure for humans, I mean, you're made up of all of the things that are here on this earth. And so if you can get past the fear and something else, what you feed your mind is the experience that you're going to have. And that's what I tell people all the time who talk about, oh my gosh, they were trying to get in my house. They were

rattling the door. If they wanted in your house, that door would not stop them, you know. Like for Terry, he was in his tent, you know, and he was okay. And that's the way it is. We're in the woods in a tent, which I spend a good part of the year in the woods in a tent, and that tent's not going to stop anything. But it's a mind thing. Okay, I really can't see anything. I can hear something, but as long as I can't see

it, then you know, it's okay. So if you can get past your fear and realize that they have always been there when you get in the woods, they are there, whether you see them or not. There's a lot of things that are there. You just you know, they've found out now that the heart has what our brain sells, and that when you connect that with your brain and you open your mind and shift your paradigm, you

are more easily able to see things that maybe before you didn't see. You know, you are making not only this entire panel just feel really really good right now, but the entire audience as well. So I want to thank you for that advice. And I did you know. I've only been out bigfooting a few times, but one time I did. I went left the group and I went I took my shoes off, grounded myself barefoot, and then I just tried to project what I wanted this just a positive conversation with

any bigfoots that may or may not have been present. I don't know if there were or not, but that's we had heard that they were in this area. It was a blackwater nature reserve in kind of like not too far from Pensacola, Florida. But anyway, I did try to do exactly what I heard Terry talk about through you. What I was going to ask you,

Arla if I may. And we'll circle back to the other things in a bit, Nathan, But I wanted to ask you when was sort of your last interaction and do you are receiving some sort of a vibration when you're in there, you know, close in their presence today. There is stuff that goes on in our world every day and we're either open to it or we're not. You know, Uh, there's a family here. So if I'm out in the woods, I don't go out there to see them.

I go out there because I love the woods, and I talk to everything, flowers, birds, trees, uh, everything, And so i'm there. You know, they do things with me. They forever play pranks on me all the time, and they are masters at doing that, playing pranks. I sat in stories after story after story of stuff they've done to me

and other people. You know, I'm not the only one that has seen them here or pretty much anywhere I've been, which has been from coast to coast and end of British Columbia, and we used to have a campa out in Georgia and there were things that happened there. It's just it's amazing this wonderful world that we're a part of, that so many have separated themselves from

all of this. When you don't have to you really don't. I So I'm going to pass it to Nathan because I'm already plotting and planning for Arla Williams and Terry Wendell Part two. Because there's so we're gonna get it. There's just too much, you know, but money. Nathan, please go ahead, sir, and then we'll go to Tim and then Debs. Awesome. I mean, this conversation has been just really, really wonderful. I think because people on a on a deep level, really connect with what what

you're saying. I think everybody has their has this capacity within themselves, but we're kind of We've been born into a world that has forgotten that for a very long time, and we have this amnesia, this sort of collective amnesia that humanity hasn't always lived like this, And so I'm curious, you know, where do you see the journey going from here for all of us in humanity, particularly in this day and age where you know, we do have

a lot of technology and that seems to be increasing. There are a lot of folks who you know, are really tethered to that, and at the same time, we see an emergence of of of sort of feelings and sensing of things that you're speaking to. So do you think we're going to see a blend of these sort of perspectives going forward? Where do you see us going from here? And Terry, I'm gonna start with you on that one.

Well, that's that's a good question. And I think if we're if we're going to survive as as human beings, we need to learn to evolve. Now what does that mean? Does that mean we we lose our hair and turn gray and look like the you know, the star people or whatever. I don't know me, Yeah, sorry, but we need to change the way we think about things. You know, one of the things my

wife and I talk about a lot. As a matter of fact, I don't want to get religious sounding, but you know, we actually ask when we say our prayers, we actually pray please help human beings to learn that we have to stop fighting before it's too late. You know, we're killing each other over nothing and nothing that matters anywhere else, you know, so

we need to learn to get beyond what we've been taught. And you know, the thing about the heart, it's very poignant that you mentioned that it's back centuries ago the medical community with you know, what was called the medical community. Back then, centuries ago, thought the heart was the center of your soul, not your brain. Your heart, And only in modern times have we changed that that thinking that, oh, the brains where consciousness lives.

Well, you know, I'm beginning to wonder could it be both? You know, it's it's not an either or thing. There are there are scientists who have come out with theories in the medical community. There's not enough stuff in our brains to do all the things that our brains do for us. We're connected to something we don't understand. You know, where do we go when we sleep at night? I've always wondered that, you know, when you die, all the near death experiences you have that you've heard about,

what's that? Is that just your brain it's last gasp? Or is there really something going on there? You know, we need to start recognizing that we don't have all the answers, and again we don't even know all the questions. And I think once we be a little more honest with ourselves, that'll start the learning process for real. But you know, we can't keep going like this. This is this, this is a dead in future

and no pun intended. So we've got to figure out a way to get beyond fear, a way to get beyond hate, a way to get beyond all this other stuff, and just realize, you know, guys, we gotta change. We gotta change political partisanship. Yeah, I agree with you, Terry and Arlae. I'm one of those who goes into the woods and speaks to the woods and the animals and says hello to everything. And everything you said there resonates with my experience in the woods every time I go,

which is basically every weekend. But let me go to police Tim and then deb so that they can get their angle on what they'd like to asking to whom. Oh yeah, well, I was wondering, Terry, what's the squatchiest place or places you've ever experienced? Ah, gosh, that's a I do a lot in the National Forest. Oh yes, that's just down the road from me. Strange things happened in the UI. That was my very

first official bigfoot outing. When I'm back, I had no clue what was going on, and I got hooked up with a couple of people who said, yeah, he doesn't look like he's an ex murderer. Let's bring him out. And you know, well, we'll go out in the woods. My very first outing in Ui, I had a rock thrown at me or not I'm sorry, not at me. We had a rock thrown into camp and this is that rock. I can carry that with me to this day. We recovered it. The guys that I was with had thermal gear and

we actually have a video. It's on their side. I can't show it because I don't have permission and I didn't ask tonight, so I can't show it. But they actually caught the rock being thrown as it arced across in front of the campra and because it had been held and this was like, you know, two in them during one point thirty two in the morning, because it had been held by something. It was hot. It was like it had been held in a fist or something. Wow, you could see

it. It stuck out like a sore thumb on the on the thermal stuff. And they were able to walk in the other one guy walked in the other guy and picked up this rock and they gave it to me in honor of my first ever going out. It's rare now that I go out in the woods that I don't have a rock or something thrown my way when we were back up the story that I told you guys last time about the eyes and stuff on the trail in the middle of the night. You know this

this past time we went back to that same festival. This year, it was pouring down rain, so we really didn't get out in the woods and we had we had rocks just pelting that we were up in a cabin that's just way up in the woods. I mean, it's it's in the South Carolina woods, up in the mountains. The festival people had put us up there, and it's an area that they didn't tell us initially, but it was famous for sightings and encounters, and you know, we knew that there

was something there from the last trip. Michael Michael Cook and I had both experienced it out in the woods together, and this pastime we went out. We didn't go because it was poured down rain. We just sat on the on the big front porch on the cabin and we had rocks thrown on the roof. We had rocks thrown on the shed building next to us. I mean, there was one I was saying earlier it was like a john It was like a Gihn bottom drum. Solo just and I would just laugh and

like, oh, guys, this is so great. We're glad you're here. We'll stay over here. We won't come over there and bother you. They were on the other side. We couldn't see them as was adjacent to the forest, and so they were just you know, we were getting rocks, just being butting bean, butting bean, ban bean, and then it would stop and okay, that was great, guys, can you do it again? Getting ban ban ban bean? Now, in fairness, the wind

was blowing. The next morning, I got up, walked around over there and there were a couple of trees that were over this this building, the shed. There were none over the roof where we were. But in fairness, I went out and looked, and you know, expected to find a bunch of limbs down and stuff. Nothing. I grabbed the hand of acorns that were up there, thinking, okay, let me chuck some of these up on the roof and see if it makes the same sound nowhere close.

So you tell me, you know, it's it's just it's stuff like that. But I would say you, Warri is probably there's stuff in Yari that it's I've seen lights, I've seen. Yeah, I don't know what that would be one. The other one is the book that I flashed up about the meadow. I can't tell you where that is, Terry, When is this nda? Is it twenty five years? The ninja guys will come after me, you don't. You don't know who so many people are I do. I gave my word, so I can't do that an NBA with them,

So I've got to honor my word. But that place you talked about, skin walker, this place is a skin Walker of the southeast brother. The only thing that has not shown up there to date is the lock Ness Monster. And there is a swampy area way. Oh yeah, there's a lake Lake Ayden Lake. I think it is. No, it's it's just you know, again, I can't tell you this was not in the war. I can't tell you where this is. Places were probably probably the squatchiest

areas that that that I can that I've been involved with. And again, the fright part is going away once you realize what's going on. You know, I still get I still do get a little creeped out in the dark because you can't see. Yeah, you know, we we are sensory, sensory beings. You know, we are used to seeing things, Terry. That's what That's what we have Arla for. I'm not gonna go seet all this money on mvgs when I can just hold Arla's hand, have her lead

me into the forest. You know, when I got poked in the shoulder when I was with Arla down in Georgia, she took off, She took off walking. She she has this Arla phrase that I've learned to mean, uh, I think we're gonna have company. But she'll just say I think I'm gonna take a walk, and I know what that means. We got company. So I heard you when she said that, I said, well, can I come with you? And she said sure. Now I don't know if it was just she knew where she was going and I dumb luck.

I don't know, but she took off walking like she had built in thermal flear anything you could think of. I'm walking behind her, trying to keep up and not step on a root ball or step in a chuck hole, and and you know nothing, and man, she's just making a beeline right through the woods. No flashlights, no flashlights, nor like no nothing. Can you would you confirm or deny that you have the glowing eyes exactly like sasquatch has. Well, I don't know nobody's ever photographed that or not,

but I don't know. I mean logically, if you're in the dark for a certain period of time, you can start seeing the out you know, shadows or or other things. Like I've been in the weod ever since I was little. I'd walk in the woods at night, and like Terry said, sometimes I just get up from the fire or whatever, and you know, go for a walk, and yeah, a lot of times they're

there. Sometimes you know they're not, or I just don't perceive that they're there, or they just don't let me know, you know that they're there. And in the beginning, there was a lot of researchers that wanted to take me too, and I just told them, hey, I'm not big footbait, so you know, I can't sure you that anything will happen. I'm not in charge. They are, And everything that has happened when someone was with me was not something I ask for, you know, in the

case with Stuart uh that was totally directed by them. I just you know, did what I was asked to do. So Uh, yeah, that's cool to walk in the woods at night. It is, man, it is. I'm learning that you leave the million candlewat flashlights and search lights at home. Okay, Terry, I have a red head lamp. Is that okay? Can I have myne I mean, yeah, that's that's ain. But but don't what if was not there? What are we gonna do?

Don't don't go out with the with the billion candlewat candle power. You know. Number one, you kill your night vision doing that till your name it takes thirty or forty minutes to get that back. And number two, you run off any of the any of the animal life there, the standard animal life, let alone bigfoot. You know, just just leave us stuff at

home. Yep. I have thirteen years of my Air Force career using night vision goggles, like two thousand hours worth, so I'm very familiar with being able to amplify your night vision just like Arla said, or destroying your night vision and having like discipline in the whole nine yards. So I have great appreciation for what you both have said. Debs. Let's go to you and then we'll probably have a last round, yes, ma'am. Okay, So this is gonna be a question for Arla. You mentioned that you were not

afraid when you looked under the bed. Well, I had a personal, very strange experience then. I couldn't tell you why. But when I was very little, I told people that there was something under my bed and that it was gnomes or something like gnomes, and I would jump into my bed. And that is not something that you like, Like, I don't understand why children think something's in their room or under their bed, because that's not

something parents tell their kids generally. It has been used culturally, of course, like to scare kids away from going to the water so they don't drown and things like that, but generally, like I never told my kids there was anything under the bed or anything. So, so what is going on with that? Like why are we Why are children having these experiences where they

think something's in their room or under their bed. Children are so perceptive, And I always tell people, and I talk a lot about if we come to this with the mind of a child, if you're out in the woods and you bring that child mind back, it's a mind of wonder of everything. If you've not been taught fear, which I wasn't taught fear, so you know, kids just totally open up. I've got grandkids that you know, they're they're like me, and that they are so open to seeing things.

I've got a one granddaughter who was open from the time she was little and would say things and you know, you would look at her. Where'd you get that at? You know? And how do you know that? So it's all about, you know, being open, and children are at some point that begins to change. If we have parents who tell us you

can't think that that's not real, you're just imagining that. And if you can leave all of that stuff out of it and just listen to the child and what they're telling you, then so much of what they see is valid and true. You know. Like I said, I was taught not to be afraid of anything, and I talked to everything. Everything's a part of

me and I'm a part of everything, and all of us are. And so you know, how you're brought up is a big deal, and then what you feed your mind is a big deal too, And I want to feel I wanted to follow up for those who are curious about this. I was told, of course that there was nothing there, but I continue to jump to get into my bed for like two years, so I don't I don't know what was going on. I don't remember, but I do know

that it was very young and I was scared. Yeah, yeah, and I can you know, I can understand that too if you don't have a reference for what's going on, and that's what happens, you know, with people and being afraid of the Bigfoot, is they don't have a reference from my point of view, they have a reference from what they've been told. So somewhere along the line, you were probably either read a story or told something you know, or didn't have someone to talk to. You know,

I had my grandmother. I could say anything to you. And that's where we have to be and be supportive of what people are saying, even adults. You know, I'm not gonna tell anybody you didn't see that, because that's I can't do that and I wouldn't do it either. But I love that story. Thank you for sharing that. The only thing under my bed was lint. I mean, I was going to tell you that story,

but I didn't think they're just going to resonate. But there certainly was a lot of lint and cat hair well, there wasn't cat hair undermine, but I'm sure there was and a lot of that I had. I'm sure there were rocks and flowers and sticks and you know all that stuff too. So but yeah, it's just so amazing. We're definitely gonna have we are definitely. We're requesting right now on air to have Arla and Terry too. Don't feel any pressure to accept. Uh, And then I'm good. I'm good.

I'll tell you what. Can I share something with you? Real fast? There's a little teaser for round two? Yeah, about nine minutes left, So okay, I'm gonna just flash an image up on the screen. Can you guys see that? That is one of Arla's companions that lives on her farm. Now, this was Arli. You please feel free to jump in tell the story, but this was this was an older print. It

had been raining a little bit by the time I got there. But tell them where that was in relation to where I stayed when I came to visit you. Oh, not very far? Thirty odd into the woods? Yeah, maybe maybe that far. This is the al caller's footprint. Wow, he is the father of the family that's here. This is the one that did the al cal in Stuart Taylor's audio where he's watching the family. But and through the years, ol Caller has grown some too. But I mean

it's a footprint. It's like my feetprint are everywhere, you know, and and there's our two. I found a footprint today. I know whose it was because I'm in these woods, like I said, every day, and I've watched some of the hairy kids footprints change. I got one I call Blue, and I call him Blue big toe because in his prince his toes a little bigger on the others. So they're my neighbors. They live in the woods here, and uh, I interact with them sometimes and sometimes they

don't. Okay, Apparently Hararah is demanding that she does the rest of the show with me, and I don't. I'm not in a position to get clawed in the back, which is what she will do if I try to get her off. Haarah, welcome to the show, your second straight episode on CAB. So let's go to money, Nathan. So let's make this

sort of a lightning round. I have I have another final question as well, but let's go to money Nathan. Please, all right, quick question, what what's the what the age limit is here on these on these being you know, what's what's the how do they live? Well, I'll call her from what I understand is like in his fifties, you know, late fifties. And there's a mom Mama. I call her mama because when she sings to the babies, she would say mom, momma. And then there

is Meridia, who is oldest daughter. Now you know I have names for them. Uh it may or may not be their name. And then there's Indigo, who has been a part of my physical life for many many years. His the younger brother Blue. And then uh, there's one I call baby Girls. She's she's the youngest. She's now right at thirteen. So that span within there. The oldest of the children is in her twenties and the others are it's kind of like an average of five years or four or

five years in between in between the kids. You know, I've seen all of them. Stuart saw them. Many other people have seen them and interacted with them. Like I said, they choose what it is they do and I have no control. Right, that's amazing, Terry. What do you think is the uprage limit? Terry? Do you have there as stories about that. I have no clue. Truly, Alla would know would know better about that than I would. I have heard some people say, you know,

human life spans. I've heard other people say one hundred, one hundred fifty years. I truly have no clue. I know that Arla has been interacting with this particular clan for a good while, so you know that's That's really truly the only reference that I have for anything like that, And truly I'm I'm open to anything at this point, I don't know. That's one of the reasons that I got into this is I got questions and I want to know what's going on. I want to learn love it. Tim,

let's get you a lightning question here. Yeah, Arle and Terry, how do you weed out potential hoaxes? And why do you think people do hoax attention? They attention in In my opinion, and this is my opinion, you're looking for something that's about you, not about what you're what you're talking about for whatever reason, it's an you go driven thing. Somebody else saw something, So now for me to validate myself, I have to see something. I think others are just spite or meanness or Hey, I want to

get one over on you guys. You know, I don't know it just it baffles me why you would do something like that. A lot of times I take cameras out with me when I go. When I first started, I thought, oh gosh, yeah, I'm going to go out and get a get video of bigfoot because I do video stuff, and you know, that's that's what I do. And yeah, right, go out and try and take a picture of a squirrel in your yard. It runs up a tree, they'll go to the other side. So I don't post a lot

of stuff. I don't try to post a lot of stuff. I don't need to post a lot of stuff. I'm not trying to prove anything to anybody out there. I'm trying to prove something to me. I want to know what's going on. So when I film stuff out in the woods, it's basically like a vlog or a video diary, so that when I come back, I've got a record of things exactly as it happened, so I don't change the story. You know, stuff doesn't creep in. Human beings

can be are terrible data recorders. We just don't do well with that. Well, have you ever gotten a sense somebody is messing with you or trying to hoax you, or do you keep your outings pretty private for that reason? I don't. I don't talk about a lot about where I'm going. I will tell you, you know, the general vicinity. And yes, there are some people in the Uori that that I believe have hoaxed some things. That's that's between them and whoever. I'm not gonna call anybody out because

who am I? You know, I mean, cauz Agna, it's pretty great. I don't care what anybody says. Yeah, oh listen, I've can't there that was That was straight up. He didn't even know what he got. You know. The camera that he was using was probably I mean, it was the size of heck a desk almost. You know, there's nothing like we have now, So you know, I don't know. There's times when I look at the Patterson Gimlan film and go, that's real.

There's other times I look at it. Who am I to judge? I'll tell you about It's what I've cleaned, what I've run into, and my experiences. So the whole hoaxing thing, you know, I don't. I don't slow down too much for it. Yeah, yeah, it. You know, Rick Dyer was the quint essential uh hoakser And there were people jumping on the bandwagon all the time with no, he's not, he's not, he's not. I had a personal little interaction with Rick Dyer, uh several

years ago. But uh, it's the nature of the human to do uh this kind kind of thing, and it is. It's about a lot about ego because you have something happening and you get all of these people coming and going, oh wow, that's so cool, you know all of this, but then nothing else happens. So what do you do? Well, you

got to make something happen so that you can get that. You know, I've seen people in this lose their livelihood, lose their family, literally lose themselves because they were so intent on proving and being somebody, when the truth is we're already all already somebody. We don't need to have to prove,

you know that to anything. One thing I've said from the beginning, you think you're going out to learn about the Bigfoot, And if you open your heart, in your mind and shift your paradigm, yes you will learn some things about them, but you're going to learn more about who you are, amen, than you're ever gonna learn about them. That's the important thing we learn about who we are. CAV loves you, Arla, for these words of wisdom that come from the heart are not contrived and are valuable light life

lessons outside of any pursuit of Bigfoot. That aside, so uh, Tim's quick hitter actually had three follow upstebs. Well, wait a minute before we before we even do that in Mississippi's own Mounts, before we do that. The voices that you are hearing is the legendary Arla Williams from Oklahoma, her research colleague and dear friend Terry Windell from Rockhill, Bigfoot who I still hope to go to the into the woods with. And guess what, I live

a lot closer now because I'm in Georgia. Yes, of course, that is the host of all things unexplained, Doctor Tim Mounts, the former well I said, former basketball coach, current basketball coach, and former player, uh, and the lovely Debs and my man Money Nathan. I'll give us a like and a subscribe, help us out. And boy, we've got a big announcement coming up for you about calling all beings in short order. I'll let you know what that is. So Debs, please with your last

one. I'll get a last one, and then we'll get these guys out of here so the Arla can get some cama meal. T I kee't going back to something Terry said earlier about us realizing that we need to stop hurting each other as humans, and it kind of relates to what Arla was just

saying. When you study the paranormal or you know, what I consider just normal right nature, you learn a lot about humanity and I don't know, like there's this sense of a lot of people are doing this wrong, something's very wrong with Like I'm okay with AI and technology, that's not the problem, but how we treat each other. Like, for me, it just seems outdated for people to continue to hurt each other. It just feels wrong. So why do you think that is that we have this sense of need

for peace that is just ever increasing. It's not part of actual human nature or the planet's nature, but it's something that we keep bringing forward. Well, peace is something everybody wants, but not everybody is willing to release things that are going to bring you peace. You know, every day I ask that I am peace, love, compassion, and joy. And I always tell people be kind to each other. Just be kind to each other. Think how wonderful it would be, how we would raise the vibrations of this

world if we were just kind to each other. And you know, my grandmother always told us kids, don't act ugly, and what she meant by that was don't do things that are disrespectful because it doesn't make you look very good. And I never ever want to act ugly to anyone, no matter what they say to me. I'm just I'm not going to go there because I see our world opening up being kind to each other. Oh my gosh. Facebook is so much different now than it was when I came into this

several years ago. I see so much more positive and from people that you know, you go, wait a minute. It was just not very long ago that they were ready to go over to some other country and kick somebody's butt, you know, And now it's we need to figure out how not to do this. You know, we need to see each other as a

relative. Yeah, I agree completely. My wife is a yoga instructor and the way she closes all of her yoga classes is, may you be happy, May you be healthy, May you know great peace, and may you know great love. And that has really stuck with me. She She says that every time after they are done, and really and truly, you know, we can't keep going like this. We can, but we're gonna end up at the end, and I don't want it to be the end.

So we got to figure out some way to stop fighting over stuff that does not matter. You know that we we think we Europeans talk about owning the land. We don't own the land. Nobody owns the land. The land owns us. You know, we're just taking care of it. We're borrowing it from our from our grandchildren. I think is one of the Native American proverbs. So we got to figure out number one, what ticks us off? Number two why it ticks us off? And number three, how can

we stop getting ticked off? Just let it go? Let stuff go. That's one thing that I have made it a point to work on every day. Even if I if I'm by myself and somebody pulls out in front of me in traffic and this is this is trivial stuff. But somebody pulls out in front of me in traffic, and I go, oh my God, and then you stop and think, in one hundred years, what's that going to matter. Let it go in five minutes, Yeah, five minutes.

Let it go. You'll live a much happier life and that will be reflected in your continence, when your countenance, I should say continence countenance whenever you're whenever you're in public, and you know, just let stuff go. That

doesn't matter. You know, it's I had someone, uh, pulling out onto a busy roadway going to work a couple of week week or so ago, and the woman who had to break a little bit because I was really trying to accelerate to slow down traffic and was flipping me the bird and honking the horn, and of course the light was maybe a fourth of a mile away and she was sitting right next to me at the light. So it's Metro Atlanta. It doesn't matter how fast you go, Atta, you're in

good shape. Well yeah, Well the thing is is, like you know in that you know the Marietta area, You're just going to the next traffic light. Yep. So I mean it does not matter. You're not you Yeah, you can't go straight to where you're going. You're gonna be at that next traffic light, no matter how fast you go anyway. Uh. Man, So I wanted to ask Arla one final bigfoot question. Uh, just so that the bigfoot community does not slay us like dragons. Arla make

this a quick hitter, the two parter. But the first part is what is a safe distance? What do you consider a safe distance? When you're in there present? Do you try to keep a certain distance? No, I've been touched many times. Yeah, literally touched. I had a grandfather walk up to my tent and stick his hand inside the tent and lay his hand across my stomach. Wow. I've been touched by the kids many times. I it's all about respect, you know, why are you you know?

Up here people say, oh my gosh, don't look them in the eyes. If you respect somebody, you're gonna look them in the eye. You're not gonna look away. These are not animals that you're challenging. This is somebody many people want to know and to know about. So it's just simple, be respectful. I'm sorry, I mean to interrupt you. The feeling running through you when you're in their presence, and what is it different than when you're in the presence of another human in terms of the energy or

the vibe the well, even humans have their own vibe. And there are a lot of humans that I might be up next to that I might move away from. Most of the time. Now I just have a happy feeling that they're around, or they're close, or you know whatever. There are

times when energetically, yes, you really feel it. I had a man tell me one night while we were down in the Commishe Mountains, and when I walked up on the other side of a cedar tree and it was quite tall, and I was just standing there and I said something to him like I would anything and that the guy said, man, you got of steel. I said, no, I don't. I'm just respectful. And so it's number one, be respectful, Be respectful to yourself. You know as

well. I've felt their energy when it would nearly knock you off your feet. I felt their energy when all I did was laughing, giggle, and I could move back away from them and I wouldn't laugh and giggle. I could go closer and I just start laughing and giggling. So it's whatever you reflect gets reflected back to you. You know. During my dating life, some women would giggle when I would get closer back. I don't know if

that's the same. Hey, now, not important, not important. So let's go with kabby goodbyes, because you know we're just gonna have to save everything else for a part too. Uh, Tim, Uh, first you please with Kabby goodbyes. YEP. One thing I read about Terry he said, you know, also you gotta have respect when you go out in the woods you find yourself and my goodbyes. I can really relate to this because

I just got back from Roswell, New Mexico. So I think it's the same with UFOs, with paranormal If you just get off your screens, head out somewhere, you know, next thing you know, you might find yourself at a UFO crash site and you didn't even know what was gonna happen. So get out there, look for the truth that you were supposed to be saying goodbye and thank you. There wasn't a goodbye in there, and you're

welcome. I love I love coaching, doctor Bounces. If I was just coach, I'd be like, you're on, Tim, You're on the bench until you can follow directions, sit on the end of the bench and grab the gatorade bottle. It was an interpretive goodbye. Okay, I'm sorry Nietzschee or whatever it was last time, go ahead, And I should have asked him to look for those three aliens I left there by accident when I was there there, seriously three aliens that I bought from my kids left them there.

Anyway, try to replace them at least for you. Yeah, it was very sad, So I very much appreciate you coming back to talk to us, Terry, and thank you for coming Arla. It was a pleasure to meet you and to also share the comic experience of things being under the bed. I'm so glad I'm not alone with that, and which which truly appreciate you comment and sharing your experiences with us. So thank you both for coming today. Quite welcome. It's an honor. Yeah, it's been a

true pleasure. You guys have been a delight. Welcome back anytime, Terry and Arla. I hope you found another home here with us at Calling. All beings and of course all the listeners and folks in the chat really appreciate you guys being here as well. It's just been a really great conversation and it's it warms my heart to hear where the conversation is going with this topic, and it just because me hope for the future. So thanks very much

for well that you do. No problem. Thank you. I'm really sorry that you guys had to watch my cat battling. I've never had to battle with her in front of the microphone except last week and this week. And I think it's because my wife is sleeping and she let Harah in the room to make me get off air. Luckily she's behaving right now so I can say goodbye. Boy. You know it's you guys are just as amazing.

You know, a pair of folks, just beautiful souls that as we've ever had on the show, and we've had some, you know, souls that are like you, but you guys remind us of those people who come on here and inspire us to continue doing this. So thank you from the bottom of my heart for sharing your time to come on Cab and have a discussion. It's not a traditional interview, as you can tell, it's very conversational in nature, but next time I hope to delve deeper into how you discovered,

how you two became friends. Like the first meeting and then some more of your experiences next time. So but thank you so very much, Arla Williams and Terry Windell. I really really appreciate it anytime. And that's that's a story that's pretty interesting too as mine and all his first meeting. We'll slave that for part two, Yes we will. I will find a place on the calendar to have you back because I think the response we're getting as

everybody loved you as much as we did. Julie, thank you so much for making it in tonight. I don't I don't know how you do it, but I'll be in touch with you about the what the big news is and on behalf of Arla and Terry and Nathan and Debs and of course doctor Tim Mounts, who will come off the bench in this next quarter. This is DJ saying peace out, one love. We'll see you down the road. And we always wonder what's up around the Bend.