@AkashiCris joins Nathan and D.J. in discussion 100 Up!

Colonel Beans, y'all security, a good evening, a good evening, a party people. I'm back with you as a DJ, and I want to tell you it's a show calling out beans. You know the stuffs that are gonna talk about now, okay, And I want to introduce everybody here to my guy. He's a smart guy. He knows all kind of stuffs about UFO. You can ask him, and he knows a lot of days are very very intellectual. No, so let me tell you something. Okay.

I want all your people, UFO Twitter put your hands together, right, and I want you to welcome my guy, my brother, my other half, an effaity, anathion. Yes, suh give it that an son a bunch of said a senior Anythian. Wow, that is There's no way I can top that. I can't believe that level you into that. It's incredible, incredible, but I'm gonna try. So here we go the man with the biggest heart, my brother from New York, UFO Twitter's own DJ stand

Marco. Thank you, Nathan. That was an amazing, amazing run. I know that if I'm having some learning us issues that you are all over this like gravy on rice yes, so that would be the end of my intros from henceforth. No, No, we can't, Nathan, and we're nine episodes in, you know, I mean that's like saying that that Singularity Mike isn't gonna grow hairback. You don't know that. You don't know that

he could Yeah, touched by an Angel's hair comes back touched. Yeah, I mean he could go with ANGELI come back with a full head of hair, look like Brad Pitt in seven. You never know. Wow. So well, No, we We've got an extra guest here as well. There's somebody in the background, a huge celebrity in the community that we are blessed to have with us this evening. I'm gonna bring her on. Hold up, hold up, man, this, hold up man, No, this

this this is a legend. We're talking about the most positive force on UFO Twitter bar none. Okay. We are so excited for this woman bringing it every day artistically, making people laugh, making people feel love, part of people. Put those hands together. Fuck Texas own Acshi, Chris, I

don't even know what to say. Cash was like after that issue. I think yes, like Linda Richmond from New York, I'm fuck clubbed to pop I love you, Mama love Okay, So anyway, the show, the energy of this show is far surpassing, not a farm, so excited to have you with. You're on mute too, so hopefully we can uh yeah, you're on mute. But but everybody, when you say the word Akashi, I want you to put your hands up like this. Okay, right, Nathan, can we see you? Just can you just do a test

run? I'm like a Bram Stoker. Yes, thank you, Yeah, Akshi, there you go, all right, there we go. Yeah, we're doing and it's all right. So we got all this pop references. Mute you see if this works? Okay, see if I can unmute her. Let's see. I can't unmute your mat unfortunately, Akashi. I want you to know that technical issues. All I got a calling. I'm like, not a problem, welcome, all right, excited? All right,

now, it's enough foolishness. Okay, you guys are really immature. You're not like me, okay, because I am together mature, an adult like you're like the example, yes, alt together the people. Oh there's Grant, Oh my god, well Grant, why are you not here? Blurry's in the house. What's up? Girlfriend? And James and Lara? Lara, we spoke. No, it's all good. I spoke with you down there. What's up Lara? Welcome Ben buzz Glide. What's up? Homes

Grant? I can't believe your brother's here? Grant? This is he should be on right now? Why are you not on? Grant? Log on? What are you doing? All right? So Yoda you know where you Yoda? All right, we gotta do some serious UFO talk, guys, So it's time to adult it up. Button it up like I only have one more button anyway, Uh, button it up? Nathan smoking pipe? Please all right? Sherlock Holmes in the house, Arthur, Sir, Arthur Conan Doyle. Let's get something Nathan. Start off with our first topic.

You got some lists today or you want me to rock this? I want you to take the first one. Okay, okay, Oh, how Nathan came into the UFO space. So I'm sorry, unfortunately, Nathan, this one is you. So that's the first question. Okay? Great from de deb a study of UFOs and u aps. Deb. Yeah. Shout out to Deb who's doing amazing things with research in this space. Her diligence going through all those records and archives. I mean incredible. So how did I

get into this? You know, I've always had a little bit of an interest in the sci fi kind of thing, but you know, probably I don't know, five or six years ago, just started hearing about little rumors here and there about Tom DeLong and some kind of crazy, uh you know, sort of theory that he had that UFOs were real, that he was talking to people, and like a lot of folks that kind of shrugged that

off, not thinking too much about it. But then December twenty seventeen happened with the New York Times and the videos that we are all familiar with. It just sucked me right in. Wanted to be a part of this conversation and really kind of just started following folks in the Twitter space just to get a sense of what the Twitter you know, vibe was with UFOs and found so many interesting people kind of like a second tribe, if you will,

of folks that are really interested in these big topics. And you know, there's a huge spectrum of thought in UFO Twitter, as you know, DJ talking to lots of different folks, and Akashi also like seeing the wide spectrum of voices that are out there, and I find that really exciting because it's not you know, we're not all on the same page. We've got a lot of different ideas, a lot of different you know, kind of hopes or thoughts wrapped up in this topic. And for me that's really energizing.

I like kind of things and fears and fears, no, man, definitely tons of fears, and I think that's very human, right, that's kind of who we are, and ippreciate that that, you know, we're like one human family tackling this topic together. Yeah, And I want to say, just to follow up with Nathan, I also was a sci fi person.

I grew up watching the original Star Trek and when my parents told me what time I was born at night, I was like, oh wow, I I was alive in time for Star Trek because that's how much I was into that series. So I was also watched consumed everything sci fi, just like Nathan been fascinated with Star Wars Blew Me Away. Obviously. I saw

that in the theater in seventy seven. I was ten exactly ten years old, and it was just like, wow, we'll get into like how we came together, but you know what since we got a celebrity up in this joint, Goshi Chris. Really, you see, I thought I was gonna ask can you hear me? Yes? Mess Okay, I thought I was gonna ask questions. But you are okay, you are? Yeah, this is cool. So my background, so I'm from Puerto Rico and I grew up in Puerto Rico and until I was seventeen. So as far as my

background, I mean, I always believe that I'm not an experiencer. I haven't seen anything, but I don't need to see to realize what's happening around me, you know, and I'm looking at things and I'm not gullible in any way. But I've always believed in something, you know, something going out there and in being in Puerto Rico. It's funny because you get the threat of we're gonna take you do a doom key and the aliens are going to kidnap you. That's just part of a narrative. It's like a family

thing. You know, everybody talks about it. Zoom guys. Just you know at Chupacaba is in prime you know, primetime news, it will be like in the six o'clock news. I remember last time I visited and whenever I talked Puerto Rican started getting an accent. I apologize, it just comes naturally. Love it, love it. I mean, things like that were very natural. So and then in the last I think it was pandemic.

It started making me think and looking at things, and I started looking at Ufo, Twitter and into you see r in Ufo Jane, and from there it just kind of took off. And I am obsessed because you don't know how great the puzzle, how big the puzzle is, and how minute the pieces of that puzzle are. So if anything from that from that perspective, you don't know how WU is WU anymore. You know, the things they

talked about before are just kind of normal now. So that's that, and I'm I'm My concern for the future is the people that don't think anything is out there and how they will do. And I think that that's where we play a role, that we can help people kind of, you know, kind of bridge the gap between people that think that there's nothing outside and us that we kind of we're a little bit more seasoned on it because we've been

looking into it and more and more open minded. So anyway, so that's why I'm here, And because you asked me, dj I love did you make it? We love you? Good to have you with us. What is it inside you that makes you want to make so many people in our community feel loved? I mean I come in with with pure heart and intention. That's all I can say. And I'm here to help and I love you know when when you make somebody laugh, that makes my day just as

much. And laughter to me, it's like the greatest therapy of them all. You know. It's like you could have a really crappy day and I could look down and look at you know, Flair's Twitter and just laugh my And I'm not gonna curse because I'm trying to be cool, but I love my butt off and it just makes everything go away. And it's like if you can connect with somebody, or if I can reach out to a politician and maybe maybe have somebody listen, you know, one person listen. If

we don't try, we're never gonna get anywhere. And we can only try in little bits and pieces. So I'm also going to be recruiting some people to the cost. Yeah, I've got some. I came from kind of politics, which I don't get into but my group of activists are dying for or chumping at the bit for some activism. So I'm like, hmm,

maybe maybe I recruit them. So anyway, that there are many people in this space that will ascribe a certain importance to you know, and I'll tell you that I can't think of many, and even I can include myself, Nathan, but I can't think of many that are as important as you. For that very reason, I realize you diverged away from the positivity. That was pretty slick. But but yeah, well that's okay. You know what,

we'll celebrate you. No, I just want to be real and nice and kind and promote an environment where we don't cancel each other out because I seen it be so bad in another area. So it's just you know, I try to promote that. So that is something I try to promote because I just think it's healthy. We only listen to each other, you know. You share our vision, You share our vision of what Nathan I have

to bring. And maybe we'll get into that later, Nathan, but I want to get into the UFO talk now and we can circle back to how we came together. But I think people are going to want to hear some meat and potatoes right now, So let's get into it. Nathan, did you have something that or Akashi, did you want to ask your question first or would you like to wait? I think I want to wait because I want to hear a little bit more about your backstory, and then my question

kind of comes at the end. Okay, I know, Nathan, Nathan, my brother, what do you got, man? What's the first thing you that on that list that really jumped off the page at you? Because there was some great questions from Lucy Bell and deb and Rodney. Yes, you know, there's been a lot of we're in a bit of a some might say we've been in a bit of a lull in terms of real sort

of tangible information that has come out in UFO twitter land. And as you guys know, when we hit these lulls, we kind of like there's a disturbance in the forest and the community starts kind of getting into a lot of

arguments. You know, we kind of we kind of devolve into some of these, you know, very simplistic stances, and you know, DJ, I'd love to get your thoughts on, you know, how do you kind of see the diversity of viewpoints in the community, and what is your kind of philosophy on like maintaining some diversity, but you know, also kind of keeping the peace and and you know, how do you have you approach that? I think I like to use the black, white, gray metaphor,

and you guys have heard me use it on spaces. And there are so many interesting opinion and people that have different types of intelligence, because there isn't one type like Nathan and I don't have the exact same type of intelligence, and Akashi and many, you know, literally hundreds of people in our community. So what I try to look at is that we can have go in

all these diverse directions and entertain things. But we also want to try to see if we can look at some some some facts and some events that have occurred, like what you know, you saw what Dan Warren posted today about several people getting behind the Gilibrand resolution in the Senate, not the least of which is Marco Rubio, Lindsey Graham, Roy Blunt. And forgive me if

I don't remember all the co sponsors of that legislation. But if we can look at a set of facts and entertain the possibility of how we got here, and perhaps leave our our prejudices aside and say, okay, I can I can feel this about this set of circumstances that happened, but I can also look and say, you know what, that is a day fact.

That is a fact of what happened and what led up to that. And I may not be comfortable with all the tangents that surround that, but we can agree that it happened and what may have been the driver behind that. So I like to say life is in the gray. If we say one side is black and one side is white, then it's all this or it's all that. Really, it's the gray that we're looking for. Whether it be someone in our community that's controversial to some, not controversial to all.

Perhaps there's just a little bit of gray there, but we can also extract a significant amount of facts and meaning from what that person may have contributed. Yeah, and interesting that to use the word gray in a UFO community, because it is perfect metaphor. Yeah, it's a very prevalent and sort of image that we have going around with Grace. You know, it makes me think a lot about our show, and I know you kind of mentioned that we would touch on it later, and I think, you know, this

makes me want to touch on it now. You know, we some thing's just kind of happened. They fell into place. You know, you and I met really kind of by accident through a mut mutual friend shout out to Andy from that you and you know, a huge, huge podcast there and a great guy, and he put us together, not knowing that we'd really you know, kind of hit it off and want to do this thing together. And then you we kind of hit brainstormed on some ideas on what to

call the show, and we came up with calling All Beings. You had the great idea of using the taxi cab image as an icon, and and that's honestly, it's a great image because anyone who's ever written in a cab, you know, we've all had like great cab rights. We've all had

those cab rights that are a little bit crazy. But the thing about writing in a cab or an uber or a lyft or whatever, at least for me, it's a chance for me to have a conversation with somebody that I'm only going to know for fifteen twenty minutes, thirty minutes, and most often when I'm asking questions like they just want to talk. They want to tell me about their life, where they've been, and I'm not there to judge. I'm just really there to listen and get to know this person for this

ride. And that's what we're all on together. You know, we're all on a ride together, and I just want to get get to know folks want to know where they're from, what they're interested in, what drives them, and for me, the truth, you know, coming to your point, DJ, the truth is really sort of the mixture of all of these different stories, and we need all of these different voices to kind of get to that truth because it's not no one really knows what is going on here.

Anyone that has a lot of certainty, I think you have to, you know, be pretty skeptical of that person. The government doesn't know what's going on here. Nobody knows. No. I agree with your with to your point there, Nathan, And it is a symmetry of people coming together. I think it's very painful for Nathan and I when we see a like a Tim McMillan arguing with the Joe Mergia, or we see John forgive me the researcher gentleman yet John Greenwald arguing with with with somebody else or Stephen green

Street and and and uh and Ross Coultart. I think, you know, we find that painful because we see value in what every one of them brings and says in the community, and we see no value and then picking at one another. So we we kind of wish that people would try to see if they can extract some value and then you know, and then step away from something that maybe they do find slightly objectionable, which is as human nature after all. Yeah, Yeah, And to provide a platform for us to

really have a conversation. I think the Twitter. As great as it is for really kind of just getting there, seeing lots of different thoughts at once, and getting little news bites that come through, it's not great for having a long form discussion and argument of any kind. It's it really brings out

the worst in people when it kind of goes in that direction. So to have folks on our show who may have different opinions and we can have a chance to chat it out and see the other person and kind of come to a maybe an agree to tod disagree, but in a civil way. That's what I want to be able to do rather other than you know, shut people down and say, well you're not you're not you don't meet my purity test for this community, and therefore you're not going to be here any longer.

Yeah, So just to you know, I think Nathan wants to contextualize a little bit more about us. So really, the first time I heard him, you know I said this on podcasts recently, is that it was almost like Andy and I were just like looking at each other, like, man, listen to this guy talk. Can you believe this? I mean,

he's amazing. I was like I was immediately I want to DM you know, I told him, please DM me after the show and I want to talk to him, and not knowing that he was going to be my partner yet, we were just going to have a dialogue and then you know,

the guy's amazing. I mean, let's face it, everybody knows that we both agree on when you come on this program, we want you to feel more loved than you thought you could feel coming on a show that you know, you're welcome here, You're loved here, and that's our goals to make you feel really super comfortable and you guys saw when we had Rick on. You know, Rick is a older gentleman. He's been through every kind

of tough interviewer. Nathan and I spent hours apart and then at least an hour together studying up for that of how we would approach it, and we really wanted to feel a kinship with Rick, so so we did that. You know, we weren't going to try to, you know, see if we could be the really cool, you know, interviewer Morey Safer, Mike Wallace sixty minutes guy, because that's going to get, you know, with a trained interrogator. And so you know, that's just an example. We

want everybody to come here and feel love. So we philosophically we agree on all those things about how to treat other humans, even if our approach to it is slightly different. I obviously take the meadhead humor approach. Nathan takes the serious approach, but he loves people the same way. He speaks glowingly of all of you when we're on private conversation. The other thing is that text is very impersonal. So when you hear Angelie talk about the degradation of

communication according to the beings that she's interacting with of a higher density. I think in my mind that that refers to now we want to text people. I don't have time to call you. I don't want to talk to you. I want to get like twenty characters out and peace. I'll talk to you later. To me, this is the highest form of communication that we can have other than being in person. When I get to look in your eyes, I get to feel the emotion in your voice, get your inferences,

your metaphors uh that that are lost uh in digitization. So that's that's what we hope to bring, is to be able to interact. And everybody knows that because there's probably more people on UFO Twitter that have my phone number than you would believe. And I don't care. I've had people call me from all over and I'm happy to speak with them. Yeah. Love it. I mean you've been more than welcoming. You guys have been just I

mean, I have felt so much love from you guys. So that was your mission and mission accomplished because that's definitely something that that comes across with your interactions with you know me, and and the way that I see you guys treat other people. And I mean, that's really what it's all about. Most of the arguments, when you really scrub through it, we're kind of splitting hairs because we're still all on the same side. We think there's something.

It's like, that's the unity, that's the book. You know, we all are on the side that believes in something that others might not even care, you know, might not believe it or care about, you know, honestly, so you know, for whatever it's worth. So if that's what you were doing, then then bravo because you did it. Thank you, ma'am. And I just want to say one thing. I think you

just pointed this out perfectly. There might be one hundred and seventy five million people in this country that don't believe that there is a different intelligence that's interacting with us. But of the rest of the of the other one hundred and twenty five million, Joe Mergia and Tim McMillan are two of them, and they agree on that. And it's like, you know, there's all these people go, you're a nutcase, like, get out of my face. I mean they could go to you know, golf courses and people say,

you know what I'm going to see up over there. So yeah, they should celebrate that they can agree on those basic facts. They can have that conversation and not feel like, oh, they're going to go laugh at the hippie. You know, you know it's what level of hippie? Because what level of woo is woo? We don't none of us know that. So for whatever, I mean, Louise and I should agree on what's better, you know, your traditional Cuban sandwich or media not. I mean we should

be able to talk about this, Yes, we should. Your sounding like you're a little bit Italian Puerto Ricana. All right, all right, let's get with some questions and let's go with some UFOs. You tighten it up, tight shoes up. Oh my question, my questions? Oh you're gonna do yours? Okay, all right, Oh, did you ask me a question? To ask you a question? Misunderstood the assignment. So I'm going

to ask you guys a question. So you know, in looking at you guys, you guys are obviously very aligned, But what if you had to kind of identify one thing that you're most misaligned on, like you know, things that make you go hmmm. So Nathan, I'm going to give you I was I thought we were going to have like a timer and stuff. I was just I'm just joking. That's for the round. We'll get that for you a grant and I'm scared. I'm just kidding. Grant no time,

you got so, Nathan, So let's start with you. So what is you know, when when you guys talk, it's like, what was the one thing that you're like, Yeah, well, we, as DJ mentioned, we have I think we share a similar spirit, you know, so even if we didn't do a disagreement, we we don't let that go very long before we start kind of like, you know, we need to come to kind of come back together on the on the big things. But I will say that, you know, it's try the right way to frame

this. DJ. The one topic that we've both kind of gotten into a disagreement on and I can't think of really any others, to be honest, but it's the tik tac and kind of you know, entertaining different theories and and I don't think we're going to spend a lot of time on it on this chat because we could literally spend two hours on it and we have. But uh, you know, DJ brings a ton of knowledge when it comes to flight, and uh, and you know, our our engineering and the

level to where we what we've achieved with flight. He's got some great anecdototes about that as well. And uh, you know, he looks at the tic tac H. You know, I think from that perspective, and it's

it's there. It really is the right perspective to look at that object in terms of this does not seem like something that we as humans you know, have engineered that we could even you know, pilot whether we would pilot it, like are someone inside the object or even remotely, It'll be very challenging for us to be able to do that because of the high level of performance and many other reasons why. And so he approaches it from that lens.

And for myself, I tend to entertain a lot of speculation because in part because I guess I I'm already talking about aliens to begin with. So I sort of say, like, well, what else is anything else is possible? And one of the things I really appreciate about DJ is that he kind of he kind of reels me back in sometimes from entertaining too many different theories, you know, because you really can I think This is a good lesson

for all of us. You know, when you've kind of opened one box, you can be like, well, there's there's a million boxes I can open. Any theory is possible, What about this? What about that? And I think, you know, it's helpful to kind of revisit your biases and kind of say, look, maybe it's maybe I don't need to entertain every single theory that is plausible, man, and'll narrow this down a little

bit more. And uh and say, you know, right now, based on what I know now, I don't think that this is a theory worth chasing. I think that's probably the best, the best way I can put it without us, you know, like really getting into it. Yeah. I'm not trying to start something. I'm just serious. What do you guys? What you know? What theories you guys are not? You know, Nathan, Uh, he can textualize my position basically perfectly. You know.

The only thing I would add to it is I say, I try to take what our knownes are and I try to build out from there and look very realistically based on that, because I know how technology that ends up. Uh. First of all, I know what we're buying right now. As a military, I know what we're spending money on. I know what's in test, I know what's not in test, and what's in procurement, all

these sorts of things. So I kind of will extend out from there and see, okay that, but and then I'll say, okay, so from where we've come from the beginning a flight until now, this is and what I'm seeing, and based on how long it takes to go from the military to civil, I'll say, Okay, this is probably possible. And then I'll look at something like that and just be like, there's so many aspects

of it that you would have to understand. How we fly, and when I say the word fly, I mean all that goes into that navigation, traffic avoidance, how we start, stop turn, you know, the basics that you all know, and that's where I've I'll come to that. So I'll try to find a position where I haven't known. I'll try to build out from there, and then beyond that, like when we start talking about

the phenomenon, jeez, I'm open to everything. I mean, I start talking Nathan about ultraterrestrial and we start talking about historical things like that that Chris is very passionate about that. Archaeologically speaking, there may be some significant things that are under the Earth right now that would look like it's several thousand years in our future today, but may have been buried there several thousand years ago.

And then we start, you know, Nathan and I will talk about you know, extraterrestrial and interdimensional and I'm just so open and interested in all those things. And all the time, you have your James, you know, I and dollies with this his meta perspective, and folks like Dan and folks like Nathan, and folks like Mike from the Singularity Lab, and folks like Rather Be Squitting, you know, that have all these really uh interesting

ideas that provoke me to think in ways that I hadn't thought of. So that's that's the beauty of it. That's why this works. The reason why I ask about the things that you don't agree on is because it actually brings up the best in how you compliment each other. That's awesome. He's going to be Nathan's going to be a really big person in the space. I think there's some people that know him now. I think there are some people that are becoming aware of him. But a lot more people exo Academia.

I forgot to mention him. Sorry, X, I love you. But yeah, there's a lot of people that are going to become aware of Nathan. Yeah. Well, you know we to me, it's like, this is a good topic to discuss, you know. So the somebody mentioned today reminded us about how I think it was. Oh it was Curt Jamongl on

his Yeah, on his chat with with Mike Mattaloney. Yeah, well, but he mentioned that, you know, if this topic kind of does break more to the mainstream and becomes not officially acknowledged by our government in a way that it hasn't done thus far, you know, we're going to have a lot of folks that are going to flood into the space that that are going to want to study it and treat it with a lot of seriousness, the seriousness that we've all actually wanted it to be treated with for a long time.

You know, we're hoping that we get a lot of the best minds working on this issue and helping us understand what it is. And you know, Kurt's point, I think was that you know, when that day comes that the folks in this little microcosm, the UFO Twitter folks, you know, we're not going to get any you know, sort of applause. We're not going to get any you know, gold stars for the work that we

did to try to push this topic forward. You know, we're going to have to sort of be ready or comfortable with the fact that that we may have to step step aside. And and honestly I'm okay with that, but I do want to get your ear thoughts. DJ. I mean, if that day comes and that does happen, and you know what, where do you see the community going? Uh, if it becomes just a thing that everybody is now like this is just a fact of life and the world is

acknowledged that this is real. Do you see this community kind of dissolving or do you see it growing? What kind of you see for it in the future. For two reasons, I don't see it dissolving. In fact, it may grow. And the reason I believe that if I look at the m m A community when m m A and the UFC got really popular,

when uh, there were people who were were ogs. So you know, for in our space, you could look at people like James, like Linda Moulten, Howe, like Grant Cameron, like Martin Willis, Uh, people that have been around for not you know, like two years or a year, but decades. Uh. And and so then you you know, you could look at all the guys out like Andy and and and UCR and all these people, you know, Amy, all these people that are building up

audiences and that trust them. And I don't think that will go away if newsperson X from NBC or ABC or CBS or whatever come into the space. I don't think because the credibility, the fact that they're having to cover a myriad of topics that the entire spectrum of news. I I don't think that that our I don't like to say the word followers, I like to say

friends. So I would like to say that our friends from UFO Twitter that we're engaging with every day are still going to be there because they know that we're more engaged on the topic than people that are covering all of life. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I hope you're right. I mean, I do think that, you know, those of us who brought a passion to this want to continue to be part of that conversation in some way. And you know, and even if we're not. You know, I do think

about the role that UFO Twitter plays in the topic generally. I mean, I think, I know, for fact, there are lots of folks that are maybe not actively tweeting, but they're observing the content that is produced by this community that is trying to draw attention to this topic. And so I do see us as a kind of like an energy drink, if you will, for this topic for those that are out there kind of doing work that we may not be seeing. You know, there may be a lot of

folks. I mean, I think think of you know, Elizondo and Sean Cahill and Jake Mann and the guys from sky Ford. I mean, they're out there, you know, doing their thing to try to bring awareness to this topic with a lot of players who can really move it forward. But we don't see what they're doing day to day. You know, we're privy to very little about what those guys are actually up to. But I have a feeling that they do kind of draw from this community a sense of energy

and enthusiasm and that does help kind of move them forward. At least That's what I'm hearing them say. And that does give me a sense of pride and kind of what we do. And it also helps me focus on what it is that we're trying to achieve. You know, so getting distracted by our disagreements is not actually helpful in moving this forward in any way, shape or form. But you know, we can have disagreements. We shouldn't, you know, kind of be little people in that process tear down. Yeah,

I agree. Yeah. They frankly, you know, like Chris, they they can reach people that we can't reach. They can reach into Congress. You know, just look at the people you mentioned. Uh they can reach uh into Congress. They can uh reach over to foreign countries and be respected. I mean if I if one of us from UFO Twitter were to try to make a trip to the UK or make a trip to San Marino, nobody's gonna want to meet with me because they don't know who I am.

And when somebody of a certain whether you like their how they got their status or not, it's a fact that people were gonna sit down at a table and talk with them. The Italian government, of the San Marinans, uh, the UK, somebody from the UK that sat down lose significant But I got a question for y'all it's about your boy Akashi, Avi Loebb and the Galileo pra So, so what I wanted what I'd like to ask you, and I'd like to pose this question you when you're done. I'd like

to have Nathan attack this question as well. But first of all, I love Professor Lowe. He's given us a kind of like in the same way that people like Lou and Chris o bark credibility to our topic amongst a wider audience. So has Avi Loa because in this in the academic space, he's this big I mean, Harvard professor. It's hard to get you know, let's say I'm at Harvard or Cambridge. Right, So anyway, Oxford,

So what do you think do you expect of those guys? Like, so, if I was say, you know, Galileo Project, they're going to produce X in terms of after they get their equipment fielded, what do you think that will be the result of what they're able to gather and collect once

they get their sensors deployed. And then as far as what you know results versus what we'll see, well, no, you know what, I wasn't even thinking about that, but results that they'll get what do you think they will discover or find if you had to look into the imagination of your mind. I mean, I think he's going to get to at least understanding or

I'm not sure that really getting that that evidentiary proof that everybody. You know, you can put a picture in front of anybody and they're going to find a way to dispute it, even if it's absolutely one hundred percent truth.

So I think he's going to come out with It'll be interesting what he comes out with on the interdimensional because I think that's, you know, definitely the focus, you know, some of the focus that they're you know, the government is taking and isn't his place to put people as part of this central office that are represented from Galileo projects. So that's where I'm like trying to figure out from government to Galileo projects that are going to impact what they were

able to deliver to us. Okay, that's interesting because I didn't even know that they were going to get a member of the Galileo team onto like the UA PTF or whatever the the new arm of the d O D is going to be. And we need to look at the chat on that one. But I looked into that and I thought that that's what I saw, that there was like three people when you actually look at the disclaimer and all the you know, the details on it, that three people are from Abby Lowe

and he gets to pick whatever those three people are. So that's where it's like, now I'm thinking it. You know, Galileo Projects supposed to be looking outward, but we know that the government is always also looking inward.

So my answer to that would have been different before this amendment came out and all of a sudden, this, this reference to something that we would never even think that would be referenced by the government came out, so that I think that changes the game, especially if Abby is part of that team, and if you know, as Louell is on the part of the team. I don't know, I'm just it would be really interesting to see who's you know, who's being targeted for those positions. Yeah, hashtag Akashi Yeah not

me, Nathan. Yeah. So I know that I'm muddy the waters on that, but I'm sorry because I'm like, WHOA, I'll be cool. That's one question I didn't expected. I'm good with that. I love Abby. I thought it was great because you kind of brought the topic together to the bill, so that the bill, the rebranded bill, the jilibrand build the say forty five ninety three. If you read the text of who's kind of who's going to be invited to be a part of this team, I

mean it's pretty broad. So you know, you've got the Galileo folks, You've got SCU folks, I mean the scientific position p UAP studies. I mean that's you know, this is the kind of team that you would want to be working together to review this information, to provide it with a level of credibility. And and I want to use that word carefully because I think the credibility could cut one of two ways. Right. They could go through

this effort and looks like I've lost some some some lighting. Here's as pop apologize for that. But they could go through this effort and come out of it and say, you know, we've we've actually understand this. This is the UAPs are real. They're you know, they are something outside of the

Earth, they're extraterrestrial whatever. Or they could say, you know what, we've actually looked at this and all these intelligent people have looked at it, and we've realized it's uh, you know, it really is some sort of atmospheric phenomena, or it really is an adversarial technology, or really you know, but the all of these people who are collectively kind of looking at this together like these are the folks that we would want to have to to lend

their seal of approval one way or the other on this. Now, I I tend to believe it's going to fall, you know, one way or not the other. But I'm so glad to see the list of these professionals that are included in this initiative because it gives me hope that it's not just you know, the traditional government folks that we're that we've been seeing for so

long. Yeah, and I believe Abby Lover doctor has been so clear on his intentions that he wants to share whatever information he gets and that he's you know, but you know, he was limited and the you know, the funding it's like for the tech that he meets, no doubt. Come on, now, it's like we're going to have to do a GoFundMe for this. This is ridiculous. But now with with everything else that's going on, that's why I'm saying that it's kind of evolving into into this, you know,

so much bigger thing and moving every single day. It's crazy. It's like keeping up with this is insane. But you know what's saying he needs money and Jeff Bezos is sitting in the front row of the of the National Yeah, Jeff Man, Yo, take the credit card out. But as far as the team, I don't know how you guys feel about this, but when you think about it, they're gonna need somebody to go and get sandwiches. So when you think about that, you start thinking about me.

You're thinking about point break, and you're thinking about Gary Busey going, hey Utah, get me two of those Meat Paul sandwiches. All right, Angelo, Hey Utah, get me two. So I could be I could be Johnny Utah for this team. And Nathan, do you how do you feel that I would perform just in terms of like getting lunch and stuff. I think you'd be terrific at it. Yeah, thank you man. And would

you be willing to write a recommendation letter? You Anakashi anytime? Okay, all right, so Abby, if you're listening now, you can expect a letter from Nathan's office and one from my girl from Texas, Takashi, Chris and I would do an excellent job. I'm gonna respect, you know, whether somebody is like gluten free, whether they're vegan, you know, if pork is not your thing. We're both Jewish, you know, even though

Italian. So I'll take care of you to multiple places. Yeah, I'll bring the cooler and or the hot thing, you know, so we'll take care Start the petition right away. I'm going to be nft. Nathan's gonna be off. While we entertained some questions Deb and Lucy on the chat this weekend. You weren't there, Chris, but they had a couple of questions.

I want you, I want I want to say this. Please don't let me forget to get Nathan's take on Stephen green Street, because it's brilliant that said deb Okay, I want the audience to know this right now. I was not going to bring up any topic that had to do with the

Air Force or obfuscation or making excuses for the Air Force. So let me just say that this is Deb and Lucy bell Ut a study of UFOs U A p S. So Nathan, we're gonna get to the question that Deb wanted to ask you, which was about Stephen green Street, because I was not going to represent your position on air because your it's something that you've come up with and I think people should hear come from your lips. But before you do that, I want to answer Deb's question because deb question flows right

into Lucy Bell. So I'm looking at question number three and Deb wanted to talk about the role of the Air Force and the nation's defense. I'm sorry, And then question five where Lucy Bell said, because of seventy years of obfuscation, what is so awful that they can't tell us? Lucy Bell? Hi, Lucy, all right, So this is what's up. The mission of the Air Force is different than the United States Navy. So when you present your service, your service chief to the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of

Staff. The NCAA is the National Command Authority, so you have you know, the President, Secretary of Defense, you have the Joint Chiefs. So within that structure, the Air Force's responsibility is different than the Navy. The Navy is to project sea power and air power and be able to park basically like an air Oh I'm hearing myself. Somebody's got me, okay, okay. So so what it is is the Air Force is responsible to provide. So I don't agree with what they did, so let me just start off

with that. I don't agree with lying and obfuscation. I don't I despise being lied to. And when someone tries to piss right on my leg and tell me it's raining, Nathan will tell you there's nothing that pisses me off more than that when you're trying to bs me, because that basically means you think you're smarter than me. So anyway, their job is basically to provide air superiority and top cover this entire fifty states and basically be able to say

to the President, we have control these guys. Last time we didn't have control these guys. We're December seventh, nineteen forty one, when we were attacked by the Imperial Japanese in Hawaii. Obviously everybody knows that, and in the continental US. I don't think it's ever happened in our history that we faced a foreign power that's been able to fly sorties and attack us from the air. So that's what the Air Force is. Those lightning bolts that you

see on a general's wheel cap that he wears. That's what that's all about. So it was very difficult for the Air Force to be able to say, hey, everybody, this is what's going on. There's a flying saucer that crashed in Roswell, and then there's another one, and there's you know, the one they had in Michigan, and there's these different crashes, and you know what, it's okay. We can't really control them. We can't take them out of the sky, we can't shoot at them. We really

can't stop them from doing whatever they want to do. But don't worry because other than those guys, we got it. So that nobody's smiling right now. But that was meant to be comedic in nature. So basically that was basically their reason is to be able to say to the president, say to the country, we have control of the skies. You're not seeing what you think you're seeing. We've got all of this and nobody can penetrate our air defenses and our air power. And so that's why that they I don't agree

that they did it. I don't think they should have done it. I'm upset that they did it, but that was the decision that was made so we can disagree, but we can also say we're talking about being in the gray. I understand why, even though I disagree with it. And that's what's so awful, Lucy, is for them to be able to say, we really don't have control the skies because these things can pretty much do whatever they want and there's nothing we can do about it. Yeah, so that's

that's that question, Nathan. You want to go on to Stephen green Street, so we need to reset out all that. Yeah, I know, I know, I know it's not it's not comfortable to talk about. I'm you know, everybody knows my background. But that's that's the reason why they did it, even if I disagree. But more importantly, I spoke this week about I'm sorry, Nathan, did you want to jump in about that? But I'll go to Stephen briefing that I'll say, and I simply to

you about that that take and that is uh. You know, I've got

to two kids, and you know, they're as they're growing up. I you know, my wife and I make decisions on how to parent them based on how we who they are and where they are in their development and what we you know, feel like we need to do for their development, right, and it's only going to be in hindsight, you know, when they're grown up and they're you know, they're at therapist's office for one issue or another that we go, you know what, maybe we messed up on that

one thing there. They have made the wrong call on that, on that thing that we decided to do with them. And I have a feeling that's

something similar has occurred here with this topic. And know, you've got a government's a state that is, you know, in the moment, had to make a decision on something that they were probably pretty ill equipped to to to do, and then you know, kind of balancing the fate of their citizenry against this this subject that you know, they had no experience with before, and so they made a call and you know, maybe it was the wrong call. And I think only time will really tell at the end of the

day. Do we want the truth? Absolutely? Should we get the truth, Yes, But you know, I think i'd like to I like to think that people are you know, try to do the right thing. I tend not to look at the at the government as some sort of big bad you know that I that everything that they do has some sort of nefarious purpose because the government is full of people. It's full of people like DJ and

full of people like you know, your your neighbor. You know, you know these people you know, and maybe collectively they make bad decisions, but I like to think, you know, most of the time they made pretty good decisions. And you know, it's only in hindsight that we can really we just easily can judge, you know, whatever somebody decided to do, and it feels good in the moment, but you know, we weren't there.

We weren't there when they had to make that call. I also would like to add, and if Chris wants to weigh on and this we'll get here. I would also like to add, if you look at like for example, like in the climate accords, you know, we have one hundred and fifty countries that are agreeing on the Paris Climate Agreement, so on and so forth, but there's none of these countries that are coming out and talking

about UFOs and what they've seen and giving full and open reporting. I mean, we could talk about the UK, we could talk about Australia, we could talk about Zimbabwe, we could talk about Portugal, we could talk about Spain, we could talk about Russia, we can talk about any country that you want, and nobody's coming. Nobody's rushing out to explain to people what they've discovered as a government. So it's not I hate to say it, the Brazilians, you know, similar thing. It's not only our government,

it's all the governments. It's just that, you know, we're the ones that have had the most uh, I guess, the most famous or most reportable topics. But Nathan, that was extremely well, said Akashi Chris. Well, then nobody wants to be first. Nobody wants to own this problem from a disclosure perspective. They're and they're looking for leadership, and you know, they're still I mean, we are still in the United States. They're looking for us to set you know, they're waiting for us to do something

so they can figure out what to do. And so I think I think once the United States actually makes that, you know, once hopefully this office you know, actually the bill passes or the amendment passes and everything gets processed. But you know, maybe this will be the beginning of that. But

I mean, it is happening everywhere. And it's funny because culturally a lot of the other countries are a lot more open to talk about it, you know, like locally the people that live there are very open to talk about these things. Yet their government is waiting for hours who has like a major stigma on the subject to take action. So you know that's part it's kind of interesting, but you know who wants to own this problem? And I do want to circle back. I'm not going to divert in, but there's

something you said earlier. We were talking about what happens to this community, you know after disclosure or whatever. Well, you know who's our jobs will evolve and our I mean think about where we are now from where we were when you forgot or when you guys first started, and how far down the rabbit hole you've gone, and you know how your visions have evolved. Well, you know, so will ours, and we'll be ahead of the game, but there's going to be a lot of other people that won't. And

even if it becomes mainstream, they're going to need some help. So I would think that that's where we can support. You know, we can use this community and not let it just disband just because we you know, we got the answers. No, that's not the end. That's the beginning of the journey. Oh yeah, this gets seriously next question, like when you said that, I mean to you know, cold you offer go back. I think it's a way to circle back because I think it's something that's really

important and it just gets overlooked. Yeah, Chris, every question is just going to open another question because there's so much we don't know there. And I would guarantee if lou is sitting here right now, and he's the public person, at least the public person who knows the most, he would say there's still so much I don't know. I mean. Rick Dody said he was scared. I mean, I mean, so he said, I'm scared, and that dude, he said, okay, he said I saw things

that scared me. And he said, what, I don't scare easily? Right, Okay, I'm sorry. I have a question from Grant. Okay, please Grant you? So am I going to read this for real? Are you tricking me here? Grant? Okay? So he goes, here's a question for DJ in a post ninety seven world, what are the rules of engagement for Air Force and Navy pilots and encountering U A P S. Yeah, so this is, uh, this is a great question I can

uh I'm gonna try to answer this. Uh it says, okay, what the what the guidance is that, uh that I'm aware of is to use

all platforms of intelligence gathering methodology. So that could be if you're measuring electro magnetic UH signals, so you know, forms of cigant, if you will optically using every sensor available, seeing what what radar signature that that that they're getting, and as well as vizobs obviously, and then also your in your your ir our spectrum, whether that be with night vision, and to record

because a lot of in the older days we didn't record everything. Of course you know that they did on the back in two thousand and four, but I mean we've had night vision devices much longer than that. I mean I flew with an aircraft that had a sensor ball on it from day one of my ASTSC career in let's say July oh two, and we weren't recording. We didn't have a way to record that stuff. Well now everything you know, you can pop those hard drives out and just replay the entire mission.

So so yes, I would say grant that right now it's collect and analyze, is what what I'm hearing? Yeah, great question. Collect, collect, collect by any means necessary. For those of you from the sixties and in the civil rights movement, Yeah, what do you know what we're dealing

with right now? So I want to go to something really interesting, Chris, that you know you you you look for these moments when you're with your co host and you're having discussions that you wish were recorded, And some of those discussions take place on the telephone, and some of those take place after we shut the the recording down and Nathan and I sit and talk for a while, and one of them, I asked him about the drama that was

going on with Stephen green Street. And I've had some some pretty healthy and lively debates with him online. Not in any way do I mean to demean him in any way or be derogatory towards him. I respect the guy. He's an accomplished person. But when you don't quite understand why somebody is acting the way they're acting, then you'll look to somebody that might maybe have a window into that. And what was interesting is that Nathan opened a window into

him that I didn't know existed. And had some interesting analysis and not that he's trying to say this is it, but he's going he's going to provoke some thought and all of us. So, Nathan, if you would, what do you think is the genesis of sort of the unseemly way I guess that Stephen was acting on UFO Twitter with several of us. It was a little bit perplexing. And by the way, we hope you returned, Stephen, because we'd love to engage with you, either just there or wherever.

Yeah, for sure. Yeah. I mean, here's a guy who's done a lot of great work for this topic, and I want to kind of shout out that first. And you know, what he's done with the basement office, what he's done in his writing for the Post, and you know, helping to shine a spotlight on this topic has been great. And I think that's was really welcomed by the community and his I personally really appreciated everything

that he did for the community. But you know, similarly, like the way that he went about sort of kind of wanting information or you know, prodding people for facts that weren't weren't there, to me just sort of felt like, you know, kind of full on, like he was kind of just frustrated, you know, and I was trying to ask myself, you know, where is this sort of frustration coming from? Uh? You know, because we all we we kind of share that frustration. I mean think

a lot of us, do you know, we want the truth? What are the facts? You know, let's stop speculating, show me some hard evidence. Like we all want that moment where we can be like, look, you know, we can put it up on the front page and and nobody can look at that and be like, yeah, I guess there's nothing there anymore, you know, like like there's something you cannot avert your eyes

from. We're looking for that moment. But what I thought about it he mentioned something and I don't remember what interview that it was, but you know, he talked about his his young younger years and being part of the Mormon faith and you know, being very involved with that and identify with that because I grew up in a very you know, spiritual home, uh and and very much was a you know, a strong Christian believer, you know,

my younger years. Uh. But I got the sense from that interview from him that he, you know, he gat he got to this point in his life where he became very disillusioned with with the church, that that he the beliefs that he was given, that he walked away from those beliefs, and that he felt in a way and I can relate to this too kind of a sense of betrayal, you know, a sense of betrayed by uh that that that that family of believers that you know, raised him to think

about the world in a certain way, and when he when he came to this place in his own journey, that said, you know, there's nothing to this. This is a bunch of lies. You can't really point me in a direction where I can see some facts about this, about these stories, you know, the disillusionment and the frustration that accompanied that kind of fall is something that stays wet with you forever, you know, like it's not something you can just kind of write off. And so, you know,

I tend to think that he's bringing that similar perspective to this topic. That he wants to be He doesn't want to be let down, He doesn't want to be duped, you know, he wants he doesn't want None of us want want to be you know, able to sit down when the music stops you know, we want to be able to find that at see and feel a part of the group. And I think that that's exactly, you know,

where he's coming from. He wants to be confident that his time and energy spent on this topic is time will spent that it's not going to be he won't be let down. And you spoke of rejection, if I remember correctly, was that part of it or did I imagine that a rejection of an authority or well, yeah, I mean that's it definitely is a part of that. I mean it's a you know, if if if you come to this place where you're rejecting belief, you know, you're you're you're pushing

back against everything that you've been taught. Uh, you know, it takes a strong person to do that. First of all, let's let not you know, discount how much hard work it is to do that, to kind of break with the molding that you've been been given. And so, you know, I think Steven's a very strong person. I think that he's he's really created his own He's he's gone down his own path and a different path from those that that maybe are those in his family or where he grew up.

He's he's gone down a very different path from those folks, and that takes a lot of work, and I applaud him for that, and and every day it's work, you know, because emotional investment, absolutely, you know, it be a lot easier just to kind of lapse back into that to those beliefs, uh, that that structure is still there, the family's

still there, all those things that he held deer are still there. He could just you know, say, you know what, actually believe that stuff again, the conformity of of returning to LDS and yeah, so you know, but not doing that and every day taking a stand, you know, against that is very difficult. I don't think many people necessarily realize how hard that that is. And again I'm you know, I'm armchair psychoanalyzing him, So I could be completely wrong, but that's kind of how I looked at

his approach to this topic. That he just doesn't want to be let down, you know that that and I appreciate that. I mean, none of us do, right, we don't want to be let down by this and and and to date we are missing some I think, some clear facts that we can really you know, hang our hat on and we're just waiting for that moment. You know, Where's when is that going to happen? A

lot of us are tired of waiting for that. I got the heart bubble emojis over my head now after he's talking, Chris, I got the little heart bubble emojis. Yeah, all right. So I had another question here that i'd like to First, I'd like to get Chris's take on this, and then and if to Nathan who were waiting for Chris to create Nathan's NFT, but it's gonna have to Can you pick up the pipe please? Nathan? Can you? Yeah? Can you please? Yeah? All right? All right, so we got it? All right? Uh So a DNA

Akashi. There's been a lot of talk about it. I think Lou alluded to it perhaps, and I don't know if it was the Kurt gay Mungo interview, So pardon me if someone else has that. But how do you Are you a a theorist in that maybe their DNA has impacted our DNA and then we're carrying it. So I'd like to ask you and then go to NFT. Nathan, are you talking about the hybrid? Uh? Yeah, I think that's where that is. I mean, I'm out of my depth

here, so I'm hoping you guys can enlighten me. Yes, sure, I'm very open to those ideas, only because it goes back to you know, you were talking about how I'm obsessed with certain you know, ancient structures and ancients, like, for instance, I would I got, I love that, But there's something I'm not ancient aliens. There's a very big difference

between ancient aliens and ancient civilizations. I believe that we've seen enough. You know, we've seen a lot of structures that don't make any sense, a lot of you know, a lot of places that the structures there's no tech that could have existed at the time, you know, I I think,

you know, from an ancient civilization. The reason why this kind of comes into this conversation is because we don't know who was here before us, So we don't know what we could have been mixed, you know, mixed with we don't know, you know, we don't know if if if really extraterrestrials or you know, grays are coming to you know, do try to get the what is it the grace are pro the war? What was that that story of the grays. I'm trying to think it. The grades are like

what when there? They want things to happen because they wouldn't exist if they don't happen. But you know there's another I'm all over the place on this because I I'm not even sure. I'm totally caught up into different versions of what you know, what could we be mixed with? Are we part reptilian? Are we? You know that the hope I have it right right if you go down you know, jolly by the hope Indians had it right in

the end. People you know are part of this. So yeah, that the hope he's believed in the whole ant people, the Star people were a people. You didn't know that. I didn't know that. No, check out the Hope Indians. That's uh, that was the thing. I was a big fan of Adam ant Uh. Anyway, So I can't I can't even answer that question because there's so many different ways of looking at, you know, at this and and I'm sorry if I watched it. No girlfriend,

Oh you're already you scheduled girlfriend December third. I believe December third Friday, yoda. So anyway, sorry, NF Nathan, I want to ask you this question in a different way if you don't mind, if you'll entertain me, Uh, give me a little artistic license, Nathan, if I had to ask you if you had a gut feeling about this when you look at these gray creatures, is that us? Yeah, Mama gonna I love

the floating wineglass is awesome. I wish yeah, like port wineglass. She didn't feel she didn't want to say hello, she's she's in her in her bedclothes. Okay. Es is to Nathan and Akashi Criss, two of the people I love from UFO Twitter of a lot of y'all love what fus? Yeah, Well, so to answer your question, I think, uh, you know, humans, for the longest time, we've had stories about this, you know, so I think most of our major mythologies, you know,

we're we come from something that is non human. We are created by you know, God, We're created by the gods. You know, there's some there's some sort of sense that this that you know, we didn't just uh you know, appear like the other creatures on the planet did, are in the same manner, you know, so that this is part of our kind of storytelling, and you know there's there's a lot of truth to mythology, you know, I think mythology helps us navigate the world and and make

sense of the world that we find ourselves in. So, you know, my gut feeling is that you know, there is more to the story. But you know, this is also a topic that I think, you know, it's it's so delicate, right, This is such a delicate subject. You know, we're talking about human beings. And I think our friend Lampey, you know, put it really well and helped help frame that lebbe But you know, her point, I think is a is a really pertinent one

that we really cannot lose sight of human dignity. You know, So in the in all of our talk about you know, genetic manipulation or you know, who may be hybrid or who may not be hybrid, or whatever is going on here, you know, we can't lose sight of our common dignity. We can't get to a place where we, you know, look at each other and say, well, you're less of a human than I am,

and therefore whatever it is, it's another way to divide. Yeah, I mean we've been downe that, you know, we we we've tried that We've tried that throughout history, and it's and and we still try it today. There are people who would like to divide us that way, and you know, I'm not I'm not for that at all. I think anytime we talk about this we have to be very sensitive to that subject. But I think at the end of the day, we want the truth. You know,

who are we really? This is These are the big questions. Who are we? How did we get here? How do we you know, come to be who we are? Why are we so different from everything else and so demonstrably different from everything else that is on the earth. You know, it's not like, uh, you know, there are a lot of other like super sentient you know, creatures that that we share space with.

I mean, we we have an agree of intelligence that seemingly is, you know, orders of magnitude greater than than the next intelligence species that shares the space with us. So I don't know, you know, it's I hope we get an answer to that. I hope that you know, it's not an answer that you know, is to sort of de destabilizing, existentially destabilizing. I think we need to we need to seriously begin considering it, though, as a possibility, and we need to have a mature conversation about that.

So if it is something that becomes reality, that it that that is how you know, we came to be who we are. I think those of us in the community need to be able to be thinking about this in a mature way, in an ethical way, so that when that conversation happens, we can you know, really help people navigate, you know, through that challenging time, right, I mean it, because it will be destabilizing. I mean, believe me, Nathan was able to skate around that like

Peggy Fleming at the nineteen eighty Olympics. It was a beautiful routine. It was. It was a beautiful pirouette. I love it. So I don't know, no I I if anybody doesn't like my humor, please say so in the chat. I'm probably still gonna do it. But anyway, you know, like Louis Samanez, I'm sure him hearing me try to be funny is like the way he feels when he has influenza, you know, like my coughing, I need hydration. I just give me a heating pad.

So anyway, Louise, anyway, But what I wanted to say to you, Nathan, and I also am firmly in rejection of the the analogy of humans to ants, and I get very irritated even up to it. So if you guys want to see something that I will, I would argue with lou about I would say it is him. No, we're not like ants. And the reason, uh, and I don't think that any intelligence that is looking at us right now thinks of us as ants. For the simple

fact is we've created microchips. You know, we can engineer some fairly exotic materials and metals. We can perform microsurgery. The way that we perform surgery now compared to so, let's say, eighty years ago, is absolutely incredible. Joints that we didn't used to be able to repair that we can. We can travel outside of our solar system now, or at least produce a

craft that can do so. So I don't think we're in No matter what intelligence is coming here, I still don't think we're ants because we can actually express ourselves. We can have an experience with these beings, and many of our fellow humans can come back and talk about it. Yeah, that wouldn't happen if it was a mastodon or you know, a sloth. They're not going to be able to come and do like John Keats and write a poem

about it. So, I mean, you know, unfortunately, yes, there are intelligence that are thousands of years probably and maybe Nathan tens of thousands, maybe millions of years ahead of us, but we can still they still know how to communicate with us, and that we could actually write a book about about meeting them. And unfortunately, your your your fire ant that stings my foot here in Florida can't do that, right are the ones that stunk

Chris in Puerto Rico. We're gonna get you fire ants. Sorry. Wells to me, if we had the ability, like people are actually studying this now to like, could we communicate with whales? Right? Like, if we could actually do that, it would be cool, Like we would want to do that. We would want to learn more about the creatures that are in our environment and be able to connect with them on in ways that we really can't right now. I mean, and I grew up reading Doctor Doolittle.

I thought was an awesome story as a kid, like that would be amazing if we could do that. So if we're encountering an intelligence that is going to ride us off as not worthy of that kind of relationship when that relationship is something we actually could have. I mean, that's not an intelligence I actually want to be you know, connected with. I'd rather not,

you know, I'd be a little wary of them. Quite frankly. I'm a believer that uh, that intelligence, you know, and this is a very anthropomorphic way of looking at it, I'll admit, but you know, I'd like to believe that, you know, consciousness and intelligence as it as it aggregates upward, you know, becomes more curious, more compassionate, uh, you know, more artistic, you know, just all the things that that are the best of our qualities, that it becomes more and more of

that, you know what. I what I worry about in a lot of the accounts that we hear from people is that whatever they're encountering sounds not like that and more like a machine. Yes, And I would just say, we've we've heard a lot of talk recently about the future humans and grays and you know, warning against a catastrophe. And you know, all I will put out there is what if the catastrophe isn't isn't nuclear? What if the catastrophe isn't an asteroid. What if a catastrophe, you know, isn't some

sort of pandemic. What if it is it is the singularity? What if we are approaching a point of time where the machines, where our connection to the machines becomes so powerful and so intense, and and and it's a point of no return for who we are as human beings, and we can undo that, We can undo that transition, and and think of what we might lose by giving up ourselves to that. To that point, we talk a lot about the positives, but what what if we lose way more than we

realize. What if in that journey of giving up ourselves to these machines, that we we lose a core part of who we are? And maybe these future humans who aren't machines are trying to come back and say, look, there there's something important about being human. You know, Hey, Nathan, can I can I sum this up in one person statement that you're aware of? Yeah, remind the audience of what the little girl from uh aszimbob Boy said. Hmmm, yeah, we are becoming too technologed. I think was

the that sums up everything you just said? Beware. They said no, they said don't yeah, don't become too technologied. Yeah, and take care of your environment. So, you know, the scariest thing I studied in undergrad was Hanson Robotics. I believe his name is David Hanson, who's moved to Hong Kong and is now without any sort of regulation for the robots,

the humanoid robots he's producing and cloud based information sharing, et cetera. And by the way, I'm sure every computer network that he's plugged into in Hong Kong, the Chinese have every single bite of data that he's putting out of his computers. They're just looking at it and a labbing, oh okay,

this is what he's doing. You know that, Nathan and and Boston Dynamics, I mean you if you start thinking about general AI with a humanoid robot and then the super dynamic abilities of that, and if you want to go to the science fiction route, I'm mean that some of the latest Star Wars, I don't know if it was Rogue one, it's the first time where we've ever seen one of these robots actually hit human Before that, they didn't, they didn't do that, So it's uh it's pretty scary and and I

agree with what you're saying. Actually, Okash, this was one of the first uh conversations I had with Nathan where he expressed some real questions about intelligences and danger and that just happened last week. But let me get your thoughts because sounds like you have to yeah, yeah, just I mean, going back to the ant's comment, if we were so insignificant, I think we wouldn't be having this conversation today because they've been coming here for a while.

So we're still around. So that's good. That's good. I love it perfect, that's good. Faults and I gotta go now this girl because it was actually good. Okay, So so we're we're still here. Our humanity is valuable. There's something that they seem to seek that we still have. And if anybody's seen freaking Terminator, we I mean, every movie has told

us where this is going to go. If if we continue to hand over the decisions to AI, AI is going to figure out that we're stupid and it's going to take over because that that is with AI is meant to test the boundaries and figure out where we're wrong and it's right. That's what it's

programmed to do. So we're it's it's very much a danger zone, you know when you talk about that, and I don't I think I believe that there's there's enough that we've seen from the people that have had these experiences to show that they're looking for something. And yeah, it looks like some of them are AI and but some of them are not. And maybe that's what they're trying to say. We're dying, you know, our humanity is gone and we need it back. You know, I don't know, and none

of us have the answers. So I mean, all we can sider here is just, oh, we're gonna we're gonna hit you up on We're gonna hit you up on ANGELI girlfriend, because that's like, that's a conversation maker. I want to hear your take on on Angelie my homegirl. But before we get to that, Uh, somebody wanted to ask. It was Mike Colangelo. Hi, Mike. I don't know if he's related to Jerry and the Phoenix Suns and if and I can get to courtside seats, but that's

beside the point or president of USA Basketball. But Nathan uh answers. Uh Basically, what Mike wanted to know is Jock Fala and Gary noleman Uh and these guys have had their hands on material that they have gotten from vehicles that have crashed here. Lou has spoken to that, Jacques Vallet has spoken to that, Eric Davis has spoken to that, among others. I'm sure there

are more that I haven't thought of. Tom DeLong and what he wants to know is how many tests need to be done to determine whether or not these metals they've recovered are human or not. Who are the scientists that they're waiting to peer review this material and why haven't we gotten an answer? Do you think that it's high time that legends in our community like Jacques Vlat provide answers and publicly give us some conclusions as to or, if not, at least

some theories on what this material is and where it came from. Maybe not where it came from, but the fact that of whether it's exotic could have been made on Earth or not. Yeah, I mean we need answers to that. I'm hardened to know their people looking at it. But I think the longer it goes before we the longer it takes to get those answers, the less likely we're going to like the results, is what I think.

So, you know, there there would be reasons to hold on to that information if if it's not very interesting, I think then again, depending on who they're working with, you know, if they are working with you know, sort of people who have a lot of influence, in particularly influence on on what they want people to be aware of. I could see them, you know, keeping those cards pretty close to the chest right and not telling us what they really are. You know. I love Squidding's take on on

the exotic materials subject that had a cocktail. But you know his in his take is that you got the pipe. You know, what are the affectation every now and again? We want some affectations for no particular reasons. Yeah, just every now and again. Yeah, exactly are like, uh, you know, sort of spaceship just poop. You know that. You know, he's like he talks about this is a space duty. Yeah. Craft, you know it has no real meaning. It's just like you know,

the craft whatever reason, it's almost like a living thing. He has perfect and it uh and it just shed some material every once in a while, and it doesn't doesn't do anything, or you know, you know that that's interesting theory. I think it's fun to think about. I I actually thought of a different take on this as I was getting out of the car for yoga, and I just messaged you about Akashi and and and I kind of

thought of how I would answer this question. And I took it all the way back to our discussion, uh several weeks ago about when the government has material and they give it to a contractor, and there's a custodial exchange of material, which means I still own it. I'm giving you custodial responsibility. You can hold it, you can use it, you can look at it, but I still own it. And I set the terms of this, of the extension and the return of this material, and then we talk about

a transfer of ownership. So we were talking about a craft and if if an entire craft would be given over to a private company, and I told you why I thought that that wouldn't happen, and gave you like seventeen different reasons why not, the least of which is that scientists and contractors of every denomination will work at these test sites for that express purpose, so they can have they're hired to examine materials and provide their expertise and their analysis, and

at the conclusion of that research, they're basically contracts over, thank you, We're going to bring in somebody else. So with regard to exotic materials, it's quite possible that whomever holds this material, obviously Bob Bigelow I think is one of them, and I don't know which lab that Jock is examining these materials. They may have custodial responsibility, but not ownership. So what does

that mean. It means that the government has given them those materials to analyze, but will be able to control the outcome and the narrative that comes out of that scientific research and their conclusions that they've come up with. So if I'm Jock Vela and I say, I've got two choices here, I can

either never see this material or I can see this material. But I got to abide by what they tell me I can do with the information that comes out of there when they're searching my little satchel to make sure that there's no

hard drives leaving the facility and thumb drives and hard copies. So the only thing I can assume, and this was for Mike Colangelo, I'm going to make an assumption that these materials have been given over to certain labs under a custodial relationship and not a transfer of ownership, whereby Jacques Vla could call a press conference at Lockheed or Big Lower Aerospace to say, well, this is

what this is. Our hypothesis at least is that by the way this material we found it at a time when there was not a metaal or gist on Earth that could figure out how to make such a composite with these materials, and there are some components of it and ores and elements of it that maybe aren't even present in this concentration on planet Earth. Whatever he would say, and I'm just throwing I'm just giving you a scenario. I believe that if

there's a custodial relationship, they can prevent that press conference from happening. Yeah, and that makes a lot of sense to me. I just literally came up with that out of the car because I'm like, Nathan's asking me, what are we going to talk about. I'm like, well, we have all these questions. I'm like, okay, let me grab one and see

what i can think of. That's all I can think of, is they're not going to necessarily allow him to say whatever if he's been looking at that material whatever they think it is, and come out and say, hey, guys, we've got a piece of metal. Pretty damn sure it's not from this planet and we didn't make it, and that may be exactly what that material is based on what jeez, Jesse Marcel and his son have said, and Jacques Valet have said, and and and even Louis Elizondo and others.

So what else we got here, guys? Uh uh? Someone asked about Barbara Marsden and the hybridizing theory. I think both of you have spoken to that beamed energy propulsion. Rodney wanted to know about beamed energy propulsion that Chris Mellon talked about, and what do we think about it? So, uh, if do you guys want to take a shot at beamed energy propulsion, I think it's great. Okay, yeah, me too. Back to your name. Then it's you know who doesn't love the energy propulsion. Yeah,

it's a pretty cool technology where they're going to use. The rudimentary explanation is they're using lasers to point at objects that are in space to energize like the surface of those objects, and by doing that they can cause like small sort of changes in acceleration. And so, you know, the thing about space which is very cool is you can as long as you can just gradually increase the speed, eventually you're going to get up to some really incredible speeds in

space. So you know, to the extent that we could you know, shoot a laser a laser out of an object and cause that to to continue to accelerate, we could really get much faster speeds than we've achieved before. But it's you know, it is very experimental, and you know it would be challenging, and you got to shoot lasers in space, which you know has its own issues. Yep, I think it's as Nathan said, it's

fascinating. I don't if you're asking us if we think that's a technology that can be used to fly the various different craft that we've seen, I don't think that that's possible at this point in time, not at least not to to fly like tactically speaking, and be able to make turns. There's a lot of a lot of different dynamics there, and it is super comforting if we could say that this is something that we could just you know, execute

this with technologies that exist. But the evidence at this point says otherwise. But I hope that that the evidence is going to say yes, because I'm very into not polluting. I'm very into if we could have a technology that could propulse aircraft through the air without burning dinosaurs and and and burning fuel and creating carbon emissions that are getting in the atmosphere. So I would love to see any kind of propulsive technology that And right now what I'm seeing is that

we're not We're fielding engines that burn considerably cleaner. So if you were to look at or even listen to a New York Mets game back from the late seventies, and you heard a turbojet engine, and when I say turbojet, I'm saying that you guys are looking out at the wing and you're seeing one entire cowling from front to back, from the inlet of the engine to the exhaust. You're seeing one smooth coling. And that's what we would have called

a turbojet. Now we have a turbofan where you guys are seeing this gigantic fan and then there's a core jet engine inside there, and then you'll have a couple of different stages of turbine. One of them turns that fan and then the other one turns the actual compressor section of jet engine that you're seeing

to suck the air in. So that's a technology that's much cleaner and much quieter, and you wouldn't hear the deafening roar going over Shay Stadium that you would have heard it in the days when the sst was flying, and even your typical seven oh seven back then, or even in L ten eleven or DC ten. So technologies come, we're burning cleaner and we're using less fuel now, but that still basically they're using the very same theorem that we flew

on and flew within nineteen oh three. So yes, in the chat, no please chat, so hi, we have a question. The chat actually it says this actually brings up a good point. So Debora was talking, It's like they were talking about the laser. She goes, I think it will still work with all the Russian debris in the way. I love that point because this actually brings up you know what other things, you know, what insights do you guys have into all this Russian mess that they've made up

there in the last couple of days. I know this is pretty new, but you know, any insights, any thought, I'd love DJ on that. So all I can really tell you, guys, is that there's a let's just say, a bit of a competition going on right now between the United States, China, and Russia. And it's that's it's it's a bit of a paradigm shift from where we were twelve months ago. And it's a

very real problem. And that space that these that orbit, that the satellites are that are that particular distance in space from the Earth is becoming extremely crowded. Like they were saying that telescopes can't see through through this band now they're

space junk. There are Chinese satellites and other satellites. There are ours as well that are defunct, that are floating in space that pose a problem, and the destruction of which could cause the destruction of another satellite as debris hits. The space station is somewhat in jeopardy as well. And it's not a

good situation. It's why the space force exists, and it's it's not something that makes me feel good or that I celebrate, but at the same time, when somebody enters a battle space, you also have to enter that battle space, whether you want to be there or not. Yeah, and space

is you know, it's challenge. It has its own challenges. You need challenges, right, it's and I think of it like, you know, if you're familiar with traffic in Los Angeles or New York, these big met metropolitan areas, you get a lot of vehicles that are on those freeways, and those cars are all trying to get a certain place, are trying to do a certain thing. Some are trying to bring you goods and services. Some are trying to get a person from point O to point B. You

know, there's doing lots of different things. If one car has an accident, you know what what typically happens on an already crowded freeway, Well, the whole thing gets you know, impacted. And this is this is why it's so delicate. Right, It's not only do we have humans out there on the space station that we you know, we just think about those people, but uh, you know, the world depends on space. Like literally,

our economies are they're all connected, they're entwined. Uh, you know, goods and services flow, and so many things happen because of the assets that are in space. And that's not just true for the United States, it's true for all these major powers. And so you know, to be able to, you know, with pinpoint precision kind of take out a particular asset there and not damage anything else in the process, it's a pretty powerful capability if in fact, you know, they've reached a point where they can

do that. This demonstration tells me there that may not quite be a to you know, sort of surgically, uh, you know, sort of inhibit just one asset. You know, you've created a debris field. We've got a larger problem that could impact not just uh, you know, your adversaries assets, but also your own, you know, so you have to be pretty careful with what you're doing up there. But it is I mean, DJ, You're right, it's the next it is the next battlefront. I

want to frame it. I want to frame it this way so people understand that space doesn't mean space. But if let's say, for example, that we received an Intel report that uh that people were and I'm gonna this is gonna be a fantastic example. So think phantasm, think journey the center of the Earth type stuff. Let's say that people were digging holes in so we're just going to say Country X that exists right on the edge of Africa on

the western coast, and they were digging. They were gonna dig right across, right and they're under the ocean, and all of a sudden, you know, you have sonar amphibious vehicles that can see that they're actually digging and tunneling under the ocean, and when they come up, they're going to be right smack in the middle of Brazil. The Brazilians are going to say, they're doing this, we now need to tunnel under under the ocean. And

this has now become a battlespace. Whether we want it to be a battle space or not, it's existential. Now they are tunneling under and when they pop up, they're going to be in miniature ized and their troops are just gonna come pouring out and take over mintage rice. So that's an example of what I'm talking about, is that when somebody enters into a new area, whether that be underground, whether that be overground, whether that be in space,

wherever. It's like you walking to a parking lot and you're with your family and you're after dinner and somebody comes up and approaches you and they say, you know what, I want to fight you and you're standing with your family. We're gonna have a fight. Now. There's not a question of whether or not we're gonna fight. We're gonna have a fight. Who's gonna win, that's the question, but there is gonna be a fight. So

anyway, that's enough of that stuff. Let's get back to having some fun, because it's about time to shut this down because one of the things we try to do is always leave. You want Mo, you want more Kashi, Chris, you're gonna get her December third. You want Grant Levac. You want to bring some yoga business up in here and have some Jedi stuff going down and a hood in the whole. Nine's lightsaber and Chris is there. She's gonna have the one that's got the red on both sides. You

know. Oh yeah, no, that's the bad guys. That's fine. You're gonna battle Grant. What do you care. Let's not get picky. Here is ran a problem. It's not it's not a battle. It's not a battle. Nathan, my brother, this was so much fun having a one on one conversation. Enjoyed it. I thought we were gonna fight and stuff, but yeah, it along really well. I'm really proud of you. Yeah, we love each other. We're gonna do man, you know. And Akashi Chris, so you're gonna join us on the third. We're

gonna have some laughs, We're gonna have some drink. We're gonna have some drinks. So I don't think this is gonna be a sober episode. Okay, not gonna happen. And then I don't I don't drink, but you know, yeah, I have a five hour energy. You just can't stop me from maybe six maybe six? And you know something else, Hi, Grant, we can't wait to We can't wait to see it. Brother, what's up mate? I gotta tell you this, so Grant, after we

deal with you and Nikashi Chris was ain't on be easy. He's a handful carrying all those groceries up to the fourth floor. Nathan and I are gonna be on with Alien Girl on Sunday, Yes, and I'm gonna have to do this tomorrow. But him to say alien Girl, I'm on chat and she cops up and I'm like Alien Girl is I'm typing it. I can't help it. I'm gonna be gonna do some Alien Girls, So I got I promise her I do it on Twitter, So I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna do it for her like I did today. So we're gonna be

on with the Alien Girls Sunday Sunday night. If I don't go to the hospital on Saturday after being at the racetrack. Hey, Hey, who's that Stephen Greerflair, Deborah al Jaber Girl one Love, Stephen green Grant epic. I love it. Alien Girl my new crush. Yeah, and but yeah, we're gonna do that. So if I don't end up in the hospital from being at the track Saturday, I will see you Sunday there, Nathan. Yes, it's fantastic. What you want to say about Mattaloney. Come

on, man, what can't I say about Madeliney? Bring me the data? We need more data. We're going to get a heaping platter of it with him data. There's no evidence right now at all that I'm not c g I none. I mean, I've never mentioned and I want to thank you Nathan for creating me. That's why I'm so nice to you, and

thank you dad, thank you for creating me. All right, we want we want you to like and subscribe to our YouTube whatever said to remind you of me, so when you know what kind of idiocy is going to be coming down, you can jump onto it. And by the way, we do this because really we'll bring you some guests on here who have some gravity in the community so that we can bring it to mention to people that aren't

as well known but are brilliant. One of those people might be a Chris might maybe it'll be divine Daisy girl if we can get her boss to leave it. Listen to this girl. What's going on? Man? Have something? She's gonna sue your ass, So come on, come on. We want to bring attention to people that necessarily don't get it, but have brought positivity in the space. You and you got some opinions like this girl right here, Akashi Chris got opinion and she's got blurry blurry, blurry, blurry

blurry. What's up homegirl, Los Angeles. So thank you very much Valley Girl for joining us there. And I'll tell you what We're going to see you the next time. We're gonna see these guys nineteenth right, just Friday, Yes, Michael mclooney, singularity. Apparently he wants me to not be married anymore. And that's what singularity means. We're gonna find out all about it. Okay, I don't know, bring me the data. I want

to put my hand on the Center's desk and go there. Love you guys, all right, all right, y'all, all right for Nathan, for a Kashi Chris. This is DJs saying peace out, one love, and we'll see you down the road, because Nathan and I are always wondering what's up around the bend. That's right, Peace, Peace, f