#135 Drones - Mysterious Lights Swarm the Skies

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drones right now. For those of who don't know, we do like to cut up on the show a little bit. So there are a lot of drone talk, a lot of drone conversations happening right now in a lot of different spaces within the UFO community. Certainly there's a lot of interest in this topic, but just at large in America, it seems right now this is becoming a conversation piece.

And I know that for a fact, because people who don't follow UFOs at all have just brought this up to me without me prompting anything about UFOs, that don't even know that i'd talk about UFOs, and they just bring this up as what are your thoughts on these new Jersey drones? Right So this is definitely in the minds of a lot of Americans right now, and not just Americans, apparently we're seeing drones in lots of places throughout the world. So I wanted to approach this subject.

We've got a lot of really good insights on the panel that we have here, so we each bring a little bit something different to the table, and so I was hoping we kind of step through this subject through some different frameworks, and you know, we've we've all got different perspectives on it, and I'm sure some of us can talk to multiple frameworks at once, which is great

as well. But I want to start with the kind of prosaic explanations and DJ, I want to go to you first, because yes, yes, you, because you've got a lot of expertise on what's in the sky, how to identify what's in the sky, and you've seen a lot of these videos that get posted probably more than you care to see, and just you have a lot of experience knowing what to look for when you're looking for, you know, things that are flying around, and so I wanted to get your take on what on the prosaic

explanations for these objects? What are things that you look for when you when you see someone share a video. What's the first kind of thing that you start doing is you analyze that video and how do you approach this from from the from the vantage point of your air force experience.

need to kind of know the range and altitude. So if it's something that they have a really clear view on them, Let's say it's you know, ifout a thousand feet or maybe even up to two three thousand feet, you know, you you you potentially would hear an audible sound potentially depending upon how large the object is, and

then that would kind of ask them. The light patterns are really interesting because I would kind of want to look at what what the light patterns are in terms of uh, there's a timing associated with the anti collision strokes, the red and the white, so you know, they'll blink blink, blink, blink, blink, blink, blink, blink blink. Now they can get slightly out of timing, but there's still pretty consistent blink, blink, blink, that sort

of thing. The NAB lights are on the wingtips, but the anti collision lights are usually are top and bottom. So with that, with that, I kind of look at those things. So now now that I've heard, okay, is their noise, isn't their noise? What does the lighting pattern look like? Is it dissimilar from what the FA requires on aircraft and obviously drones also require like anti collision lights. Then the next thing I'd be looking for is are

they making movements? It doesn't have to be fast movements, but are they making movements in right angles up, down, left, right type of movements? Those would be the types of things that I would look for. And if they're if they're making right angles, especially that are very let's say linear, you know, where there's not a lot of drift associated

with with that. You know, like if if a drone is coming down and it kind of starts to go like that, you know, and it'll sort of level off and they Okay, I can see some mechanical propulsion there, you know, because mechanical propulsion are things when they're close enough for things that we can hear, you know, we can hear jet engines, we can hear propellers, and we can even hear the rotor wash on these quad copters or even these octocopters you know that have have eight

eight eight motors, et cetera. And so if they're moving in a very linear fashion, whether it's fast or not, then I start to that starts to think, well, this could be an amalost and particularly if they if they move at a very high rate of speed.

bright light. You know what's going through your mind looking at footage? Do you just sort of say I need to see more, Like that's not convincing enough, there's not enough resolution. I love how you talk about the flight behavior because typically, like you say, planes would have a kind of a linear gliding kind of motion. They they just don't go up and down like this or make

right hand turns. But when it comes to these videos and even photographs, how do you kind of examine that quote unquote evidence knowing what you know about nighttime the visualizations.

with prosaic aircraft FAA certified aerial vehicles. So if I start seeing weird light patterns, like there was that one where it had the triangular light pattern on the bottom, and I found that to be anomalous or strange to me because I've not seen craft that have that. Is it possible to have that on the bottom of the drone. It's possible that that it could it could be that and and there. The resolution isn't enough to see both the sort of structure of the craft and then associate

that to the lights. But we have all seen And when I say we all, I don't mean you all in the in the chat, but I mean the folks that are on the panel here have looked at hundreds and hundreds of videos and so when they see that, that would that triangular pattern is something that we've heard reported a lot, uh and has been alluded to. I'm

sure Courtney, Dad, you know they have seen these. So yeah, that's kind of that's the start of what I'm looking for in terms of lighting is Oh, that doesn't look like typical light. Oh my god, Sarah Shochnherr. Wow, thank you very much, ma'am. I must say, my friend, I really appreciate that is extremely generous of you and probably is the biggest donation we've ever received. Thank you very much, ma'am. I appreciate it, and I'll be talking to you us soon.

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that people in the media kind of ignored. So, for instance, San Diego County in California has been reporting drones the Nebraska incident in two thousand and nineteen to twenty twenty. Also around this time of year, there was an incident where a drone landed on a ship and was retrieved. Like, that's crazy that people are ignoring some of the facts related to this, that this is an ongoing issue, even some of the reporting that's happened from the White House.

I went back and did a little bit more research and found out, you know, the person I think his name is Kirby, he actually reneged on some of the comments he made in that press release and said, actually, I said many of the objects have been identified, but in fact some of them have not been identified yet. And I listened to the Pentagon press release and they've said that there are a variety of things happening. But yes, there are in fact drones that are flying around our bases.

In fact, someone was recently arrested of a Chinese national is what they called him, after surveying a base. So that's where my approach is it's not so much in looking at pictures because they're terrible.

has a really rich history of anomalous objects. Including the famous case with the Japanese airliner right over anchorage. So yeah, and that was a classic case. So we're really used to it. But we get all the time photos and videos and there's a lot of researchers that just immediately category, you know, categorically deny you know, photos, which is interesting because you know, you have to be at this for a long time looking at photos and videos and have

the five observables, right. It was good. That was one of the good things that came out, and some of the communication was about the five observables six now we have, so I think that people who've been in the field for a long time are looking at a lot of this misidentification just being dismayed for one about it. Because there was even a period of time where the starlink systems were going up and getting launched and a lot of people were like, oh, you know, I'm seeing this

and it's you know, it's starlink. So we had to do a lot of education and information about that for a couple of years about starlink and people using different types of you know, air aware and other things. So researchers have these things tips and tools that they use to look at planes and other things that are in

the sky. What I think is really fascinating just looking at the framework, Like Nathan was talking about about these mass sightings right now, I just read, you know, Chris Sharp's article that the FBI had known about these last year.

So I think that little bit of information is interesting that the FBI had been aware of this, but now we're just having kind of this huge, huge, you know, UFO researchers are calling it a flap, you know, but these mass sightings by regular citizenry and the FBI potentially knew.

So that's one of the things I picked up on that I think is very interesting that's worth following in the future to find out what they know, how long did they know it, why were they looking at this, and that this has really turned into kind of a crisis, I think, especially in the UFO community, because there's a lot of regular commentators that are really taking this to the conspiratorial level, and it's disturbing for me. For me just to see the things that they're talking about. I mean,

it's totally unsubstantiated and really dangerous. The things they're talking about, like heemtrails coming down and these drone spraying things over people in Pennsylvania, I mean, and then people getting their guns out and shooting, so and that part of it.

In that framework, I think it's irresponsible, especially of an organization like the FBI, to have not been doing releasing of statements through the past year on what these things are, how to identify a common sense approach, which is to kind of have been preventative so we're not in the situation that we are right now where we have three different silos of government basically contradicting each other. That part has been pretty maddening to watch as a researcher.

for what might be over the United States the mainland, the homeland, or whatever, and what might be in foreign theaters. Right, we have sort of operational procedures that you know, we can do certain kinds of collection in certain areas and can't do certain kinds of collection and others. But you know, you can't help but be reminded about the incident that happened early last year in twenty twenty three with these

Chinese balloons or one of the balloons. There's three objects, I think at least three, one with which was a balloon that had a payload of some kind of shot down. But you know, at that time there was talk about NORAD and how they monitor air traffic and how they had done some recalibration of their sensors to pick up objects like this that they just hadn't noticed before. All they had to do is kind of change a couple of dials, and all of a sudden now they were seeing these things.

see these from a geospatial perspective. There's also so that that kind of was was going to get that that kind of was going to get to Nathan why this is a fan and why it's not just something prosaic. So if we get to the root level, why are we sitting here talking about drones? Why are people reporting drones?

And it's because they've seen an unusual amount of First of all, people are looking down, you know, we talked about that the the other This is funny from Kevin and by the way, we have questions up above, I have two things starred. Miss Jessica wants to know kind of how you guys got into this. So we gotta we gotta get those questions answered before the end of the show or as soon as we can get through

this portion, Nathan will go there. So so there's naval assets, you know, that are able to track things that are coming in. And also obviously we have a coast Guard. The Coastguard is not the d OD, The Coastguard is Department of Homeland Security. So with that, there are geospatial assets, there are aerial assets. So now that we know that people are reporting something and nominalists, that's how that's how

this all starts. It is because people are seeing something in the sky and it looks unusual and they're usually looking at their phone. So for them to be looking up tells you that they've seen something that triggered something. So now and of course DJ with the bads, Okay, I know they love making because I've done some stuff where I'm reading people's excellent multi paragraph tweets and we would all read a portion of it like we've you know,

we've done. But I'll use a different accent for each paragraph. So anyway, or maybe just like a really you know, like I'm a poet. So anyway, So with that, with all of that, that tells you something happened that was anomalous in nature. And I'm using that not to refer to UFOs, but something anomalous happened that caused people to make reports. Then in the midst of that, we have hobbyists up there saying, I want to take a look.

Then they're figuring out, oh, well, if I don't have an IR camera, I can't potentially don't see anything, but I might see lights if they're lit up, you know. But it's hard to fly grown without an I our camera, at least visually unless you just tell it to come home, you know. So then you have law enforcement doing that. Then we have maybe state lease agency, you know types doing that. Then we may have d D assets also

looking at that. Then on top of those, we may have fixed wing aircraft like fighter aircraft that have sensors. On top of that, we may have this one's good. Your your best accent is my nana, because I do that one Like the Dowager countests from Downton Abbey, the Maggie Smith character and so good evening. Ken Hathaway is so outstounding to have you hear in the So anyway, my throat's a little toasted.

in the air orbiting looking at these things. So now we have a lot of people looking up and see Sarah saying more. Now we have all these different assets that maybe looking at one or two or three or five anomalous craft. So for people on the ground, aren't

you confused at this point? I would? I would. I mean, of course I know what to look for if I were there, you know, But but even you know, depending upon the altitude, it could be difficult, but that's how congested these areas of interest could be, with not only the craft that potentially are anomalous, but also the ones that are looking at that craft to see what it's doing. Yeah, I have an update on this, ma'am.

UAP hearings. Why is this plan now being written?

considering we already dealt with it. We went through the political wrangling, our own Senator Murkowski went to the Armed Services and complained about the lack of communication and the Alaskans didn't know about the balloon what it was, and the miscommunication between the FBI. And then here three months ago we see it listed as formally as a UAP.

So it is maddening. It is maddening. And I think there is some part of this that is being obscured by the different agencies because this whole thing with this, you know, with these drones there were anomalous objects, is part of this. And now you see the Department of Homeland Security just come out yesterday and say they're not you know, they're either law enforcement or they're you know, hobbyists or whatever. So I have a feeling, a sinking feeling that we will see some of these be determined

as UAPs. And I think that's the other part that's confusing. Why is Aero notat you know.

It was called the UAP Task Force. And so when that happened, they tasked this leader, Jay Stratton, who had been ahead of several other offices doing UAP type work, and he led the task force essentially for a certain amount of time, and then Congressional oversight came in and then they lumped the UAP Task Force into ARROW, which is the All Anomalous Resolution Office, which takes in all reporting and then gives determinations about what is actually an

unidentified anomalos phenomenon and what's not. And they give their determination and a breakdown of what's prosaic. So they're officially like the government organization that handles UAPs for the citizenry. That's where it stands now.

Book style. We were led to believe in thought that oh, they're gonna really they're gonna resolve cases, They're gonna bring gather information and give it to the public because their mandate talked about all these different and I didn't believe. I never believed it, and unfortunately they proved us right.

And I think we're all in agreement on that. But before we continue on this topic, because Jessica has asked a question, I'm wondering if you guys can briefly go over this please, maybe Nathan take it away.

one ady too, you know, huge fan. I mean, music's great, but I haven't like following or anything. I just came across an article that said he was really interested in it, was you know, spending a lot of money on it, and I found that to be, you know, just fascinating. And not long after that, I kind of stumbled on that. Then this article broke the New York Times. Everyone talks about that, the twenty seventeen article, and that really kind

of brought it to the forefront of my attention. So I got a lot more engaged in, you know, kind of the content community, the UFO community of interest, reading up on the books. I'm not a person who's had an actual UFO experience, at least not a classical one. I've certainly had some experiences that I would consider to be anomalists a little bit strange, but nothing that would

be you know, a classic UFO siding per se. But then sort of last thing I'll say on it is, you know, my background is in kind of theology and religion, and you know, a little bit of philosophy here and there to have a strong interest in sort of the human component of these kinds of experiences, anomalist experiences in the human condition. You know, what does it mean for us to to to experience these things, to process these

kinds of things. These have been experiences that have been reported throughout human history, and they have clearly impacted our history in dramatic ways. Anomalist experiences literally changed the course

of human history and many different ways. And I think all of us with family probably have at least one example of a family member who's experienced something strange, whether it be a UFO or a ghost or whatever, that that is part of your family lore, and it's always that story that got you know, I don't know how that happened it, but it you know, when when Grandma experienced that, you know, they moved from Alabama to you know, to Florida, and then the whole family moved and that,

you know, these are kinds of things that happen. So we like to sort of brush these off as I think superstitious experiences, but they clearly do shape our behavior. So I'm really fascinated by that component of it and what it means about human consciousness and all those things. So I could go on and on, but that's kind of how I got into the field, and then of course got into podcasting with DJ.

were available to the public. I was surprised by the way that a lot of people who do content on this were not reading them and were asking questions that showed that they were not reading them. But there's just so much information, so many documents that are available. And then I started reading some of the people who worked in programs like Blue Book, reading their books, reading other more modern people's books about this topic, and I just

really wanted to have very open minded approach. But I also picked up few things along the way that were bothering me. One was that there was stigma about reporting about security in our skies. That made me insane, Like why would we not have already had a program in place related to this topic to relate it to drone counter drone efforts? Like that makes me insane that they just wrote that on December second of this year, and that there was any stigma ever for reporting something in

our skies. And then the other issue was how experiencers were treated. When you do therapeutic work with people, you are not supposed to bring your bias and you are not supposed to make them feel awful for sharing their experience. But person after person was sharing with me that that was not what they experience. And I worked on that

for a while. I did have some effort with that, trying to educate people about how you should treat someone when you're counseling them when they're bringing an experience to you.

And yeah, so that's kind of my background. I get so upset about some of these things, like and and I have to say, like it just drives me up a wall that you could actually literally just replace the word UAP and every document that we've had with Drone and it's just like you see the games that get played with all of this information, like and if you if you pay attention, it's just fascinating actually sometimes how far it goes. But okay, Courtney, why don't you share hold on?

get to your questions. But it's just going to take a little longer than it will when it's just me, you know, yapping up here. So miss Courtney man your entryway into the or, as Nathan says, you're on ramp into the top.

college from Alaska. We drove down in my truck to Southern or University. We stopped in Montana along the way because I have a place there, and it was on the drive from Montana over to Oregon and these lights came down. It was a close encounter. They hovered over the truck, they flashed at us. I didn't know what was going on. I thought it was a military exercise. And then one light you know, came down right over right over us, and then it split into the lights

split in two. And they were like it was the strangest thing. They were like intelligent, And so my story is very, very very strange, like a lot of people who have had close encounter contact and what ensued afterwards was just a bizarre series of events. And in the field of UFOs, for those of you who haven't been in the field, it's called high strangeness. So as I drove up the road, we experienced some visual perceptual things

that were anomalous. There was a car in the middle of the road that was stopped with its lights and its door is open, and so I went to get out because I figured there's an accident, right, And so I went to get out to go and help whoever might be there if there was an automobile accident. And my daughter was in the passenger side, and she said, Mom, don't get out. She had a bad feeling. She said, please, don't get out, don't leave me. So I stopped there.

But I was out on the road, and the strangest thing was that there was no sound whatsoever. There was nothing coming from the car. There was no people yelling help us, nothing like that. It was the strangest, eeriest quiet. It was like time stopped. It was like time had stopped. And I don't know how else to describe it. But I got back in the truck, I closed the door, I locked it, and I started to track the mile markers. So I called nine one one and we drove back.

I didn't pass the car. I drove back the way that I came and went to a small town and called nine one one, and so that was my on ramp into this field. But the thing that has happened since is that after we had the lights and that strange experience, I end my both my daughter, we experience what's called after effects, so heightened psychic things happening, being

able to have telepathy, I mean, just weird stuff. And I documented all of that, and I've become really like deb tried to help experiencers being able to share their voice and not be treated like Pariah's. Essentially, in a community where most people are doing this research kind of fall along certain lines. You're either nuts and bolts, you know, or you're a middle of the road person, or you're an experiencer that looks at it from a different personal level.

So I try to carry all three of those lines of research, but it's not always easy. So that's kind of where I'm at now. And I do some lobbying, but I'm mostly an advocate for experiencers to share their voices.

very alone with it. So I think that's why now I work in helping other people to be able to process it and especially communicate it so they're not so alone or isolated in the experience, because it can be very, very distressing.

have seen videos like that. People have shared videos with me like that in private, and they freak you out. But let's get the rest of these. I want to I'm actually want to throw this one to Nathan if I can.

I think it's a combination of things. I think that's the you know, we're talking about trying to maintain a little bit of a neutral position on this, and I think that's it's easy for those of us to do who are it's for those ones who haven't had a personal experience and who also aren't experiencing this phenomena right outside your window, right so I can I have a luxury of that distance to this experience that I can just sort of say, yeah, I'm gonna make I'm gonna

take a neutral position on this because I don't have that close, you know, hand experience, both in the past and now. But I do think it's a combination of things. I think it's one, it's a lot of misidentification, and that's you know, you mentioned six thousand reports that's a common byproduct of just DJ. I love the way you put it. We went from looking at our phones all

the time to looking at the nighttime sky. And I mean, I can tell you most of us don't know the names of the planets or the stars that are that are up there, myself included. And so if you actually start looking at the sky and you just don't make a habit of doing that, you're going to see all kinds of things that just you don't know what they are. You know, you're going to think that that is a drone.

You're gonna think that's a UFO, and it's really just a really bright planetary object or star of some kind or starlink has another common one that people often reports as UFO. So I think there's a lot of misidentification and that's just a byproduct of the popularity of this sort of latest release flap. I think it's also some

government activity. I think, you know, DJ rightly pointed out it would be ludicrous to think that we aren't putting something in the sky to try to figure out what these things are, whether they be fixed wing or helicopter or you know, you name it. We're probably putting a variety of things up there to try to get some additional intelligence about what these objects might be. So I

think some of that is military. Now, I want to point out that there have been military bases, very you know, outspoken ones recently that have said that they've had this phenomenon and it wasn't their activity or any activity that they were aware of. And we've had official statements even saying that this is not federal government activity. So you know,

what is the truth there? You know, I tend to want to side with the people that are giving us information, but I also have a lot of reasons to to second guess what they're saying, because I think their messaging has been really bad, and their history on messaging on this has been really bad, so it's difficult to take them at their word. But certainly there must be at least some of these objects must be h are our

objects are are drones or whatever they may be. And then lastly, I think there is a good likelihood of

just anomalous objects. You know, if you if you look at some of the videos that are there and some of the first hand witness accounts, and these are people that live either near these military bases, they live in flight paths, They're used to seeing planes all the time, and what they are reporting is something that isn't like those things, and they would know, they would you would you would recognize something that would be starkly different from

something that you're accustomed to seeing and so these are people that I would consider to be reliable witnesses, and that these include people like police officers, news reporters, mayors. You know, these are people that have really tried to look at this and see what's going on, and they're coming back with reports that these things are really weird, including hovering over their homes, objects the size of SUVs.

I mean, this is very strange behavior that that certainly wouldn't be normal behavior for a government agency or a hobbyist drone. You know, someone who's just to I picked up a DJI drone I'm throwing I'm flying it around for fun at night. Like it's it's difficult to fly a drone at night, as you mentioned DJ, if you don't have the right optical equipment or depth of experience. So just the fact that they're saying, oh, there's hundreds of hobbyist drones just flying around at night right now,

I find that hard to believe. So you combine all of these things, including things like objects coming in from off the ocean right reports of that as well, and I think you have to at least entertain the idea that some of these objects are in fact anomalists unidentified anomalist phenomena or UAP or UFOs, and that's really where you know, we have a show here about UFOs and we like to talk about this stuff, and that we talked about frameworks at the beginning of the show, and

we went with the prosaic framework to begin with, and that's the right place to start. It's the sort of level headed place to start with this conversation. But I also think it's important that we entertained in the other side, the other frameworks that that are that exists, and we get perspectives from people that might be viewing this from a very different paradigm, because we've, I think, for the

longest time, we have ignored different perspectives. We have we have deferred and defaulted to the official government perspective on whatever something may be, and we've ignored and denigrated those who've had personal experiences with similar kinds of phenomena and and to to their detriment, Courtney has pointed that out very well. And so I really want to get some input from Courtney and deb from an experiencer's perspective, not only their own, and Courtney's account was a great example,

but also experiencers that they are in contact with. What is the sentiment associated with this recent flap? And and Courtney, I remember you posted on X two about Chris Bledsoe, So that's a that's a great case example which I'm sure may not be familiar with. But what is the sentiment just generally, And I know it's hard to you know, approximate, but what is the sentiment of experiencers with with some of what this might be.

engagements geopolitical stuff. So people who are not in the field might not have all that enrichment of the past of how UFOs show up over our military bases or over our nuclear sites, but they have. That seems to be a trend, including in Russia. So there's definite a sentiment in the experience of community that it's like this is like a prophetic level time where they're showing up as a warning for us to basically get right with ourselves.

I mean, that's essentially what I heard yesterday, like we all need to get right with ourselves. I don't take that approach, but it's certainly the wave of experience or sentiment. I think most of these are drones. I think they're exactly what you know we're talking about, that they are drones.

And I think after you've had an experience like I have at close range, where you see something that acts totally totally bizarre and it changes the way you think about things, and you go through that whole experience, I can say, honestly, the way I feel about it, I don't feel that sense of awakening or that this is the time, or that a lot of these prophecies are coming true right now. And I certainly don't feel either that there is some martial law or impending war coming either.

I mean, I think that's the thing about being an experience er. When you live through something like that and you study it in research, you kind of get the sense to know what's bs and what's legitimate. Now I'm not saying the drones don't have anomalous characteristics to them, because I think that they do, but I think they're probably a small proportion, and I certainly don't feel like it's the end times.

and makes a joke about it. And it turns out that as people were reporting this incident, the military decided to release flares. Weird, right, that just so happens that this is happening, And there were yeah, so weird. So this is not the first time that something potentially anomalous

may have been also concealed by something prosaic. Okay, So the flares were a separate location and time than the object that was being reported, But when people took pictures, they took pictures of those flares, and that convoluted the information that was provided to the public. Later, the governor apologized and said, I actually saw the object too, and I was just telling the government line about what we're

supposed to say to the public so that no one panics. However, his approach was considered offensive, and I don't think people ever really accepted his apology because he made a joke of the whole thing, even though he had seen it himself. So I just wanted to say, also to the question of why this might be happening, I did make a list of all the reasons for drone activity, so I'm just going to share because.

someone has a hobbyist drone. Another reason might be crowd control, so people internationally have been using them for crowd control. They also use some really bizarre things like giant holograms. I know no one's going to believe that, but they do for crowd control. And then of course they do have shows now with drones that tends to be something

you see from China. And then last, but not least, military and the Pentagon in their press briefing, they'd admit, you know, this is just part of our modern day life now. And there was a photograph floating around of one of these drones that may have come down and it was huge, okay, And the comment on that was that is not a typical hobbyist drone. This is something A military drone is not going to be cheap. A six foot drone is not going to be cheap. That's

going to be expensive. So I just wanted to say, those are the reasons I have found for a drone to be in the air.

with the citizenry of Canton. He's not afraid of them. And so he asked this question, and we had about an hour and forty minute phone call and I said, oh, you know what, this this is a perfect question for Nathan. So Scott, I hope you haven't left the chat because Nathan is here. So Nathan, if you would address this one.

whatever I'm going to say. I'm not trying to minimize anybody's beliefs. I think, you know, everybody should believe what they want to believe, what was most meaningful to them, and uh and I support that. But I do want to, you know, at least from my own, from my own perspective, I want to emphasize that we are and we I mean just human beings. We are culturally bound individuals. We look at experiences through a particular lens, and that lens is the time in which we find ourselves and is

shaped by our personal experiences. It is shaped by the history that we've inherited, It is shaped by the climate and the culture that we find ourselves in, and all of those things form a context, a pair of glasses, if you will, that we put on to view experiences that we have in the world. And so those frameworks can be helpful. Right, You can have a good pair of glasses that help you navigate the world and you don't bump into things, you can read what you need

to read. Or you can have a pair of glasses that may be a little bit fuzzy and you can still navigate the world, but you might not see very clearly. And I think where this often goes wrong is a lot of people, particularly today, take the perspective that their glasses are better than yours.

and whatnot. I think that that that's that's missing the mark because all of us, and the way I think about this is from the standpoint of the of the future, right,

all of us in the future. If you were to fast forward one hundred years from now and to look back to right now and look at the perspectives that we hold as human beings about the world, about reality, those future people will probably laugh at how we explain and conceive of what we call reality and normal and that's because knowledge changes, culture changes, all these things change, and that impacts our way of looking at the world.

So this is a very long answer to your question, Scott or your comment, and mainly because this is my uh, this is my background, right, I'm trying to give folks a sense in which, you know, we have our knee jerk reaction to something and whatever whatever our first experience or interpretation that's the better word, whatever our first interpretation of an event is, is going to be closest to the experiences that are in our toolkit, right, and so we need to be able to hold those things but

also examine them, right. And you know, I see your comment here, is that UFOs on an earth or Satanic or demons not little greed men. Again, it's the same. And you know, you and I would look at this from very very different perspectives, and I think that's something we can celebrate. But you know, I don't take the Bible as sort of a one and done factual account of what of what reality is. I think it's an evolving experience. I find that that can be valuable for people.

So I support you in thinking that way. But you know, we have a very different perspective on what this is. And I think, you know, even our understanding of demons, for example, has evolved quite a lot. I don't mean involved in the sense of better. I'm just saying it has changed quite a lot from how demons are viewed in the Biblical times to how demons are viewed in

the Renaissance and the Enlightenment, and even today. Demonology has changed quite a bit in that many, many hundred year period of time, and so we often are bringing more recent sort of demonological perspectives to these to these phenomena than than even the Bible actually has in the in its text. So we could spend like literally episodes on this.

It's a very difficult question to answer, and I'm hesitant to answer these kinds of questions or to comment on it because these things are so very very personal.

in divinity at a biblical college. So he's very, very knowledge of on the Bible, but has it sort of added a lot of other things into his view other than only the religious view that he grew up with and embraced and learned through his family, through the ministry itself, and through his formal education in that. So but like he said, there's not a wrong, it's just there's what he's offering you is other ways that you can look at this as opposed to just looking at it through

one filter. But it's your choice. You get to choose. Tommy CPU has a question for me, believe it or not? Can you believe somebody in a question for me? Courtney, this is absurd ridiculous. So, but this will get into the part about how I got into this, which is a stitchback to Jess's early question question DJ as someone who's a flyboy and spends time in the air at forty thousand feet. Have you seen this unknown flying craft?

You know what? Ironically, the planes I flew were low level planes, about twenty nine thousands, probably as I've ever been anyway. All that said, no, I didn't have any during my career. I did get to speak with another colleague of mine who flew a similar aircraft to mine that he flew the Combat Shadow, and he did have a sighting in Afghanistan. He and a pilot had a sighting in Afghanistan. So mine came as a young young man.

I was fourteen or fifteen on my parents ranch and we had a very brief sighting of a multi colored silent craft coming overhead on a probably a late September early October night, and that was what made me and I really didn't think about it for years until David Fraverer, the Navy pilot, talked about his and then I said, well, I guess he can talk about his, I can talk about mine. I'm retired. I can do what I want. The other thing was, I think that's it. I think

we can. We can press on with If anyone else has a question here, let me know if I've missed anything. Uh, and and I'll look a look at what Cleveland said. The only boy that could ever reach me was the son of a preacher, man Susan Cleveland. He's brilliant, She's in it. She's kind of like a Courtney in the Debs. He's an investigator, primarily on the Sandra Birchmore case, of which the Courtney's aware of this. Uh, the police officer who staged her suicide was arrested by the FBI a

couple of months back. And she's also very knowledgeable on Karen Reid and all the other cases. But he's just like you two ladies, except that she's diving into people who have been the victim of injustice. So just like Beatrice. You see Beatrice in the chat here, she's kind of a cab known associate now and she has become uh, she has found her voice and become a victims add kid, especially for folks that don't have don't speak English, to

have as many people in the family speak English. So anyway, whole bunch of people new friends for you guys to make here. So I'm sorry, please go on Nathan with wherever you wanted to go, or Dev's or Courtney.

of them, not all of them. Is there has been in a way, you know, from maybe a minority of them, even an amplification of this phenomena, and so in a quick association of it to well, this is X, you know, and Courtney you alluded to this. You know, this is the great Awakening, this is the shift, this is the age of Aquarius.

things in the sky that are strange. The connection that that has with people who've had experiences that were so impactful, Like it's a very visceral connection, you feel it in your body, it's it's it's some people would call it a PTSD, right, So I'm curious what your perspective is on the experience or community, the spectrum of reaction to to this, and you know, I think you both have a different tack on it. So really be curious to what you think.

more comfort and ease with exchanging stories. I've been spending an enormous amount of time listening to near death experiences lately, and the fact that there's just so many people coming forward and sharing their experiences really gives us a lot more data. Right, But the reaction to this particular occurrence, you know, there's there's like this this anticipation, this hope

that things will finally be explained. So just because someone has experienced something anomalous does not mean that they have a grasp on what's going on. And there's always this seeking for more information, right, But that is not the reaction everyone is having. And I'm very concerned about some

of the other reactions I'm seeing. I'm seeing the flip side saying there's nothing to see here, and it gets me all riled up again because I'm like, what do you mean if there's one drone, just one flying illegally over a base, which the Pentagon has confirmed has happened, and there's another case where a drone lands on our ship, you know, just one time, that is enough to not be brushing this off and saying there's nothing to see here. And I get so upset about this. But yes, so

there we have a range. We have the anticipatory group where just like, please tell us what's going on. Then we have people are new to this topic, and then we have people all the way on the other side saying, oh, let's just brush this aside. This is ridiculous. I don't know why they do this, why they think it's ridiculous. To talk about our safety like it's so strange to me, it's almost more mystifying. But anyway, just so, yeah, there's a lot going on.

and agues cruisers. Nathan myself Debs prior to when Courtney joined US, interviewed a director of Field operations of the CIA, one of the most clearly highly cleared individuals that you will ever see in this medium, talking about his experience in his bedroom with an entity that was not human and then reported that to his superiors at CIA. Just I just want to set the table for you guys on some of what's out there that is way more freaky than drums. So I'm sorry, go ahead, Courtney.

experiences with non human intelligence. But I do think, and this is where I probably depart from a lot of the other awakening group, is that when you've been through that ontological shock, and it is a nontological shock, when you see something truly that you cannot explain and you have a close interaction with it and affects your life the way it does so profoundly, you go through a

period of transition of integrating it and corporing it. Your belief systems change, right, And so for me, that was ten years ago, honest to goodness. So when I'm seeing a lot of the folks seeing the drones responding to the drones, that for me is just like, Okay, this is interesting because people are seeing things they're trying to think about them differently. But what I think is problematic in the core group of individuals, especially on X. Nathan.

I'm just answering your question about you know X and the sociological part of this, because I do think it's fascinating. You have very clearly people who are interpreting other people's experiencing and saying this is what is happening now, And I think that's actually one of the worst things you can do to an experiencer, because you're labeling what their reality, what their experience is it is. And I have come into the field going in myself and my own personal

mission for doing my research, not ever knowing. I've never felt that I would ever figure out whatever it was that my daughter and I encountered in Oregon that night. And I've had a lot of people say that, are you feel like you're ever going to get to a point with it? No, I don't, so I kind of take a counter approach of ever feeling like that's going

to be resolved. But I agree one hundred percent with what deb is saying that there's so many people searching for what that experience is people are interpreting it, trying to tell them what it is, and that's one of the big metaparts of all of this. That creates a lot of cognitive dissonance, and I think that's why we

see such reactionary projections about this being the event. But similar to other times in the past, like the Mayancal and other things, I think it's going to pass, and I think we're going to be exactly where we were before the drone situation happened, going what was that? Why was our government not aware? Why was this messaging, you know, so conflictual? Why was aeronaut involved. So I'm a bit of a pessimist or maybe a pragmatist, I think in that regard.

But I was wondering from a fellow investigator, a sister of your Suvann Cleveland, if you could just read this one and react. Court.

it and not be engaged. Is that fair?

And I think that that's critically important. And we live in a time where the easy relationships are are a little bit more shallow, right And and if you're if you if you're surrounded by shallow relationships, then you're really going to have You're going to lack of depth of experience, you know, a depth of relationship with people. And I think that we need that we need that complex relationship.

If we lose touch with the complexity of human relationship, then we we lose our ability to connect because because everything has to be surface level, you know, we don't we don't allow people to have complicated perspectives that they either yeah, you have to choose you're either right here on this level with me, or you don't exist right And I think that that that's kind of where we've gotten to as a as a country and really as in a world, and uh, you know, getting real relationships

I think is a is a sort of antidote to that situation. But to Courtney's comment, I want to get your you know you away and here DJ, because you mentioned this earlier about David Fraber. You know, one byproduct of this activity potentially could be more folks who who have seen things in the sky, pilots, et cetera, being

more willing to talk about them. You know, there is certainly that element of this that we are talking about this in a lot of places now in the media, and they're asking more pointed questions to the Pentagon and to the White House. This is a sign, in my opinion, that the culture is at a place where we are more open to having these conversations. I don't know that we're necessarily at a place where we're having them in

the right you know, kind of framework. But we're at least being more comfortable sharing the experiences, which is a huge step, in my opinion, to getting where we probably need to go in order for more people to be prepared for what this might mean. So, DJ, I wonder if you could speak to that, you know, this kind of cascading effect of just sort of people being willing to share.

from Discovery Channel. He has the gravitas of not only being a television personality, but he was also a former FBI agent. He's also a commercially rated pilot. So when Ben Hansen calls a pilot and they can look him up on LinkedIn and see who he is, and he's saying, yeah, I'd really like to share your story because I believe in what you're saying. This is huge, this is on, this is unprecedented. I mean in our history, you know, in human history that we didn't talk about these things.

Because even when the Japanese pilot that Courtney alluded to before, that guy was grounded after he discussed it from nineteen eighty four. And I want to tell you guys, you can hear the audio out there, the FAA audio. You can't see video obviously it's nineteen eighty four and they didn't have you know, cameras and then you know VHS cameras in the cockpit at that point. But those guys from JL saw a huge like what was it like aircraft carrier size or it's like.

would have meant they were getting closer. It was keeping station with them. So yeah, so now people will talk about it. We also mentioned we've got to mention Ryan Graves and uh the is it Americans for Save.

their read file. Hey, you might see these in Alpha seventy two, so you know, just be aware seeing a void all that kind of stuff. So yeah, people are a lot more comfortable talking about it. But before we go any further, we got to say thanks to a new member of ours, Kelly STEFFI thank you, home girl, Canna get a mud So Kelly and her question, Nathan, if you had you to take get into that, please sure? Or actually or debts if she hasn't read in Wild Debts, Yeah, man, please God.

of encounters and sightings. Some of those religions could have been related to meteors that fell or you know, straite whatever. I'm not into those, so I don't know that much about them. But those sightings were what people talked about and created religions from, not all of them, just you know, some of them. And then the conversations went into something called airships in about the eighteen hundreds, and it actually was quite a wave of sightings, and that was before

airships were really a thing in the United States. Then there were conversations about rockets. That was the language that was used, and then we had the term flying saucer, which was incorrect, by the way, because the initial major sighting that got reported, which was not the first, but it was stated that the object was moving like a saucer across the water, and then flying saucers the craze. The language keeps changing, but people find new ways to talk about it, is my point. And I'm just going

to have to bring this back to drones. But wow, isn't it convenient that now all those pilots can say, hey, is this large round object next to my ship? Possibly a drone?

I'm not going to go into it in great detail, but a lot of people describe these craft that morphin shift depending on you know, their environment or what's in the sky, and they can look like strange helicopters with no markings, birds, you know, all kinds of different planes and so Calm Kaliher talks about biomimicry a lot in different populations who have had, you know, sightings and then they've been verified and he's done some work on that.

So I think that's another thing that we're going to be talking about in the future more with regard to this topic biomemicry and what that is and how it shows up, and maybe we'll get more data or even some classes on it, you know, in some of these organizations that are doing research and education to help people understand what biomemicry is. It's a fascinating topic.

access to it. Doctor Diana Pisolka, who is a theologian, and I believe it's NC Charlotte No NCT and UNC Wilmington. She is one of the PhDs. She's a religious professor of religion, and she has access to the archives at the Vatican and and their collection of UFO information because they are very much into astronomy at the Vatican. I think we had one other question here that's really so Nathan mm hmm.

in his comment the chariots of the gods. You've got shields in the sky, You've got you know, angels, angelic beings. You know, there are all kinds of different associations to things that are in the sky that kind of fit very neatly and nicely with that the technological kind of advancements or or norms of the day. You know, airships was a big thing in the late eighteen hundreds, these airships that would be seen in the skies, blimps in

other words. And so the point being that, you know, we look at this stuff and we we kind of immediately jump to technology. Why because it takes our technology to do any you know, things that might be remotely similar to what these things can do. You know, for us to defy gravity, we have to have, you know, technology, for us to project something into the sky, we have

to have technology. And so we look at Phenomenmannah from a technological lens, from a lens of engineering and science and know how, and so then we map that experience onto what the phenomena is. And it may not actually be technological, right, it may be biological. It's just something that is part of nature, that that that can happen on its own through other forms of life and the way in which they behave with the environment. Other aspects of that could be you know, we haven't touched on it.

But the interdimensional component, right, so these could be higher dimensional beings that in our three dimensional experience that this is what they look like, but in a higher dimension they are far more complicated, and so it looks like technology to us, but to them it's just you know, how they interact with reality. So it's it's a great question. I don't have an answer for you, and I think that that's the frustrating part. You know, it's give you a quick answer, but you know.

I certainly have. But if you do it long enough, you realize that this stuff is super strange and it defies conventional explanation, and for us to try to box it in into a specific explanation I think is dangerous. You know, Courtney kind of alluded to that earlier. It's

dangerous to do that. We need to instead, I think, keep an open mind about what this might be and be comfortable with that, be comfortable with not uncertainty uncertainty, Right and DJ, you talked about that all the time, like we just you know, to force ourselves into having it all figured out, I think is just unhealthy for life experience, but particularly when it comes to phenomenological experience.

be upset because I'm gonna task him again. But see in terms of looking at the phenomenon and applying a name to them, like angel demon Nathan real quick, if you can discuss what now, Doctor Pisolca again is not only a practicing Catholic, but she has a PhD in Religious studies, so and she's a practicing Catholic. She's not just an academian that talks about religion to her classes. She's a practicing Catholic and has been for her whole life.

And if you would just share what she says when people when ancients talked about angels and how that actually could be what what we talk about, like with a gray is that they needed to apply a name to it, and so they used a name that they knew. Yeah, this is.

media influences our interpretation of phenomenological experiences. You know, the movies that you have seen growing up close, encounters of the third kind, you know, aliens in Independence day, you know, all the these things began kind of getting entangled with your own way of looking at the world, and that that what comes out of that is a little bit of a hodgepodge of of of meaning making that is dictated by those, uh, you know, fictional accounts.

And we've maybe barely touched on this, but but you know, there are energetic aspects of phenomenological experience that that fall into these cookie cutter buckets of angelic and demonic, right, And so I think it's okay in some ways to think of them from that perspective because a reaction to the phenomena in some instances, and you hear this from experiences whove had first hand experience of beings can often be that, oh, these were beings of light, they were benevolent,

they were nothing but you know, light and love. Or I was absolutely terrified. They tormented me, I was abducted, I was I was experimented on. You know, these two experiences are seem on face to be completely at odds, at opposition, but they have energetic aspects that we would maybe want to label as angelic or demonic. And I think those classifications are are okay, but maybe not the final place to land. There are good maps that they're not the territory.

what they were looking at may have been in non human intelligence, and that is what they used, something that they knew, and they referred to it as angels. We can give you another example. Uh. Debs has talked about this one Christopher Columbus Ray Debs talking about is it was it candles going into and out of the water or something like that.

flaming shields. And we have had people here talk about, oh, well I saw a bright plasma dripping off of these craft? How many how many of those have have Courtney in Debs? You know of those have they heard written about or been been told about.

that was really her segue into our community. It was a it was an effect that was about media and how it influences your perception and synchronous cities and all these other things being tied into it. Do you remember, I'm trying to find it?

And I don't know that I think it's just because of this one instance, because again, they wrote up this thing on December second, and this is by far not the first time this has.

so to speak. And the police, of course, are trying to use their own drones, and we've seen footage and stuff from them attempting to document what's going on. And there's been tons of eyewitness testimony and that includes from mayors, as we have heard, all of the mayors in New Jersey have met together to talk about this, which is probably a historic thing. Imagine that's what's written in the history book. You know, all the mayors came to talk about unknown objects flying over their skies.

seeing him at her house. I think I told I may have told Nathan about that. So yeah, she has seen them and some of the characteristics seemed anomalous to me.

For instance, there were about twenty different entities that were described as being the devil, but they had different names. And the more I looked into it, I found out like even gods were actually equated to demons at one point, the like mythological gods. So our idea of demons really stems from religion, but historically that idea has changed over

the centuries. And the gin, for instance, is another term that's some as to the concept of a demon, but they're more like a gremlin or a trickster, and if you look into religions, there are trickster gods there too, So it's like question mark about what is demon really like? What is that Is it just something that's a little bit more mischievous. Is there a real evil?

appears to be SUV size. So the first question I'm going to ask at that altitude is am I hearing the sound of mechanical propulsion? And you've heard luel Zando talking about that. So what I mean by that is do I have propellers or do I have some sort of a gas turbine also called a jet engine that is powering that? If I'm not hearing that? So what Chante is saying here? And thank you for your incredible contributions tonight, Chante. Then, and I'm going to go back

to what you said right here. I want to put your comment up there. Classic. I'm thinking that's anomalous if I see that. I'm also looking at shapes. We have geometric shapes that we hear. We hear cylindrical, we hear rectangular. Everybody here and maybe not most of you in the chat have seen Jeremy Corbell's pyramidle gate not triangle, but three dimensional pyramidle gaped green objects hovering off the USS Russell within a bank of clouds. But you can clearly

see a flashing triumid a pyramid. So we're talking cylinders, we're talking rectangles that are three dimensional rectangles like a box. We are talking pyramids. What I can tell you from an aerospace perspective is those shapes don't fly as we as we would would describe that. They don't follow Bernoulli's theorem of being able to use a wing form to create lift. And when you have a rotary wing asset like a drone or a helicopter, then the wing form

are actually those rotor blades. Those are wings that you see spinning in the air, and they just in and of themselves will create lift. What a helicopter or a drone is able to do is when they pull on the collective even though that let's picture. We have a wing here where it's fatter at the front at the front and then thin at the rear, and its shaped like a tear drop. What you would be looking at a tear drop right here. I'm sorry, I from getting my hand. You should be looking at a tear drop.

Putting that through the air and slightly flatter on the bottom will create lift. But what they do is they angle those blades down to bite more air. That is how a helicopter will rise, and then they'll flatten that blade. When they want to hover some, they'll flatten it some. When they want to gain altitude, they'll pitch it. A drone works exactly the same way. So if I had a geometric shape the size of an SUV hovering over

somebody's house, I would consider that anomblous. But if it's particularly if it's silent, most importantly, perhaps if it's silent, because that shape does not create lift. I don't hear the sound of mechanical propulsion, and at that range I should hear it. And if I don't hear it and it's hovering there, that's an anomalous craft to me. Okay, can That's what I would say?

there's there's actually pictures of this. Everyone was calling it and saying there's a UFO being driven in a truck because it was this large, flat pancake like thing and they're like, what is this. It's a it's a UFO. And Lockheed Martin has also put one out on their porch for people to take photos of for whatever reason. I don't know, but we know that there are and of course there were reports, Oh that's a UAV. Could you please just tell people about UAV's real quick, because

I want people to understand that drone is. They're probably thinking the little thing you could buy from Amazon, But UAVs is what the SUV shaped size thing could potentially be unless it's not making noise, et cetera.

So this is an m Q nine right here, and you can see how it's domed, where the cockpit is, here's the sensor. So these guys are more than likely up there looking if there's a craft that any government entity thinks is anomalous. This would be one of the craft right here that would probably be up and looking

at it with that sensor right there. And I don't know exactly I think these guys might have, like in the right conditions, they might be able to stay up in the air eighteen hours, maybe a little less than that. I'd have to go look because they're not refuelable, so they have to land them and then put and they'll

put another one on station before they relieve this one. Anyway, So Mark Antonio talked about a hydrogen powered one and he said it might have fourteen hours of dwell time, but he said it goes like sixty miles an hour, and he said they could be coming as far as from North Africa. And I'm like, Mark, I don't think they're gonna make it across the Atlantic Ocean from North

Africa to Jersey in fourteen hours. And if they did, and they won't, they wouldn't be able to make it back because the aircraft it would fly from North Africa to Jersey, you'd want to be doing about six hundred knots, not sixty knots, so they would run out of gas. And they would become fish food in the Atlantic Ocean somewhere.

that's that's that drone. I'm unfamiliar with it, but I'm not I'm not thinking that's the source of our issue. As Nathan said at the beginning, we have hobbyist drones. We have sheriffs like Ocean County, New Jersey, show them launching their sheriff's drones and they had ir on theirs. Then you have maybe three letter agency d D Homeland security drones. And then we have as deb said, UAVs

that are probably up there looking. You may have rotary wing I mean there are helicopters that have great sensors on them that can see these things, and then you also probably have fighter or wing aircraft that can look

at them. Plus we haven't even gotten into if they decide to launch AC one thirty's up there, because AC one thirty can sit there and go orbit for six hours with two great m X twenty five L three sensors on it, and then go refuel and have another you know, go REFILM, come back and get on station. So there's plenty of assets that can be up there, mixed in with probably some u as.

into it. I'll tell you something else. My voice is about shot for the night, so we're gonna have to say farewell and goodbye, and yeah it's my it's about toast right now. So uh, let me go back to the chat so we can say goodbye. Thank you everybody to your drop shape. That is correct. You guys were phenomenal tonight to chat. You gave us a lot of cool stuff to talk about, and I we will do it again and have another one of these. We'll get the cabs back together and and start mixing in some

cabin Dellick business. So final comments Nathan before we go.

Virginia one called? Guys, I'm saying that.

my phone in the beginning. You can find everything on your own, have your own adventure, go down your own path. Don't be afraid, Like if you ask your neighbor, did you ever have a psychic dream? One of them probably did you ever asked someone, hey, what's that dayja boo? Feeling? Other people have it. It's a human thing, right, so yeah, don't be afraid to ask the questions and do the research. It's out there.

sleep yet. And thank you. Just just a pleasure to be back on air with you guys. I missed you guys a lot. You you are are Karen Reid. Audience that's here, which is basically most of the audience here believe is like Karen Reid and there they love listening to you and how intelligent and researched and caring and smart you are. So whatever the audience is that that that have I've cultivated with Karen Reid. They fell in love with you just like I did. So that's really

you know, it just really feels good. And I'm you know, it's what I expected what happened, and that's what happened. So I needed a Karen read break. Absolutely, you know there's you know we all do you know we did a music episode where we did nothing but talk rock music of for Karen Reid content creators and these guys. You can see why I love these guys. They're absolutely amazing And thank you so on behalf of Nathan and

Debs and Courtney. This is DJ saying peace out one love, We'll see you down the road, and as always, we wonder F